Pacquiao And Fans Better Get A Grip On Reality That Mayweather Won

As a six year old in 1964, and seeing Cassius Clay on TV for the first time (right before he challenged Sonny Liston for the undisputed heavyweight title), I’ve been obsessed with the sport of amateur and professional boxing.

I’ve spent countless hours thinking about it, watching it, training, sparring and fighting and then back to observing it both near and from afar.

And after all that, one of the things that amazes me the most is how often and easily fighters and their fans lie to themselves.

I remember as a 12-year old trying to convince anyone who would listen that Muhammad Ali was robbed of the decision the first time he fought “Smokin” Joe Frazier on March 8th, 1971. I reasoned that the boxing establishment was out to get Ali because of his opposition to the Vietnam war. Even going as far as to say that Judge Bill Recht, who scored the fight 11-4 in favor of Frazier, must’ve had a son who was drafted and that’s why he was so biased in how he saw the fight in favor of Frazier so decidedly.

Well, around 1972 I was re-watching the Super 8MM version of the fight with my friend across the street who loved Frazier as much as I loved Ali. While we were watching the fight for the umpteenth time, I was going through my theatrics every time Muhammad landed a punch trying to illustrate how Ali really won the bout. However, I noticed my buddy fell asleep and it was a waste of time trying to convince him that my guy won. So I sat down and continued watching the fight. As the rounds went by I asked myself if I just landed on earth from Mars and didn’t know the name of either guy, who would I think was getting the better of it; the short guy wearing the green trunks or the tall guy wearing the red trunks? And for the first time I was honest and said if I didn’t know who was who, I’d say the short guy in green trunks was winning….as we all know Ali was the taller guy sporting the red trunks and tassels on his boxing shoes. From that moment on I promised myself that I’d never lie to myself regarding whether or not my fighter or team won or lost. At that moment I realized that my manhood or self-worth had nothing to do regarding whether or not my guy won or lost.

Today, when I re-watch Frazier-Ali I, I realize Bill Recht’s score of 11-4 wasn’t that far off. I usually score the fight 9-6 Frazier with 10-5 being very plausible. I was at the fight that night watching it live from the rafters of Madison Square Garden and had no doubt Joe won convincingly seeing it live and in the moment. A few years later Ali even admitted that he lost the first Frazier fight. He came back and beat Joe in their two subsequent bouts to win their trilogy and historically Ali deservedly ranks above Frazier.

When Floyd Mayweather won a unanimous decision over Manny Pacquiao earlier this year, many Mayweather haters and Pacquiao fans cried over the decision and tried to convince anyone who would listen that Pacquiao really won the fight, which is flat out wrong. They reasoned that Floyd ran and Manny was the aggressor. This actually borders on being insane. Mayweather didn’t run, he used his feet and boxed Pacquiao as it was stated in this space he would numerous times since 2009. He took advantage of Pacquiao’s ineptness at cutting off the ring and his tendency to fight in spurts instead of applying bell-to-bell aggression. In fact, Pacquiao wasn’t close to being an effective aggressor and wasn’t even Floyd’s toughest fight, something that had a lot to do with their natural fighting styles and Mayweather’s advantages in size and reach.

This past week Chris Chase of the USA today wrote, “Think back to this past May, if you will. It was a Saturday night. You gathered with your friends, either at their place or yours, then you collectively sat around, put $100 into the toilet and flushed, just waving goodbye to that substantial amount of cash. Remember that? The night of the dud of the century bout between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, the one Mayweather controlled from the outset while tediously jabbing his way to victory, all while your $99.95 went up in smoke, like the hundred-dollar bills Floyd probably uses to light cigars? Remember that? Well, it’s been three-and-a-half months and Manny Pacquiao still somehow thinks he won that fight.”

Pacquiao thinks he won the fight? Really. Just look at his disposition during the bout after the fifth round and tell me that’s a fighter who really believes in his heart that he’s winning. Manny looked confused and bewildered because he was.

No, Mayweather didn’t beat him up and yes Pacquiao had an injured shoulder, but come on, Mayweather, with the exception of the fourth round, basically controlled the entire bout. He fought when he wanted to. He pot-shotted and boxed when he wanted to and even backed Pacquiao up when he sensed Manny was confused and searching for an answer on how to attack him with even a modicum of success. Something that never really transpired over the course of 12-rounds or 36 minutes of fighting/boxing.

It’s nearly four months out from the fight and Pacquiao is healing from shoulder surgery. There’s no doubt that he’s not done fighting and I expect that he’ll try and get a rematch with Mayweather. If I were him, I certainly would. I’d justify it by reasoning even with one arm I didn’t really get beat up and managed to win a few rounds. And if I’m Mayweather, I’d announce my retirement after I beat Andre Berto and then UN-retire and come back to fight Pacquiao for my 50th career win. And my justification for that would be the money for the fight, though not as good as the first time, will still be off the chart. In addition to that, Pacquiao wasn’t my toughest fight and there’s nothing he can do differently if we fight again.

And therein lays the problem for Manny if he gets another shot at Floyd. Firstly, he better come to reality and accept that he lost to Mayweather and really never even gave him one good scare during the entire fight when they last met. If he accepts the truth, which isn’t a given, somehow he and trainer Freddie Roach better come up with a plan that enables Manny to get inside and force the fight, thus making it impossible for Mayweather not to engage with him. This means Pacquiao will have to reinvent himself stylistically, and those odds aren’t too good, especially if he thinks just bringing more of what didn’t work the last time will work. This is the real world and reinventing himself from a stylistic vantage point won’t be easy. This is the real world and not Rocky III.

Sadly, before Manny even has a chance to try and reconstruct his style, he must break from the mold in which most elite fighters can’t admit they lost unless they were knocked out or punched all over the ring. Based on his thoughts suggesting that he won and Mayweather ran, it doesn’t look good. Lastly, it’s really not all that difficult to accept if you’re a big Pacquiao fan that Mayweather won their fight because he really did. And believe it or not it doesn’t make you less of a person or fan because your guy lost. It’s life and everybody suffers setbacks and defeats, no one is spared from that and hopefully we learn and grow from it.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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COMMENTS

-Radam G :

The problem with the author of this piece is that he has been obsessed with a certain favor and style since he was a little lad back in 1964. For two scores, a decade and a year, F-Lo has been brain washed to the flare and dare of "sticking like a butterfly and stinging like a bee," so he cannot tell when a nowadays pug is tricking like a buzzing fly and stinking the joint up like a piece of sh?t. The game is full of optical illusions when you have fallen in mad love with a certain style, behavior and aura. You have become blinded to any style that does not jive with that one you first saw in a long-gone yesteryear. That is the one and only way that one can win to you it becomes clear. So all of the actuality of the reality before your eye will disappear. What is stuck in your yesteryears, you will forever hold dear. Because of your childhood amazement of the one and only GOAT Ali, and you miss that time so, beating Money May to you no one can come near. He is the closest thing nowadays that that six-year-old saw on da tube back in 1964. The scrap with the injured Manny was razor close. Even TSS scored it 115 to 113 for Money May. Others scored it for Da Manny by the same score. Some -- like me -- had it a draw. You cannot expect anyone not caught up in the Ad Populum Fallacy of Money May's superior defense and fancy boksing to not lean your way. Holla!


-stormcentre :

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Pacquiao And Fans Better Get A Grip On Reality That Mayweather Won. As a six year old in 1964, and seeing Cassius Clay on TV for the first time (right before he challenged Sonny Liston for the undisputed heavyweight title), I've been obsessed with the sport of amateur and professional boxing. I've spent countless hours thinking about it, watching it, training, sparring and fighting and then back to observing it both near and from afar.
And after all that, one of the things that amazes me the most is how often and easily fighters and their fans lie to themselves. * I remember as a 12-year old trying to convince anyone who would listen that Muhammad Ali was robbed of the decision the first time he fought "Smokin" Joe Frazier on March 8th, 1971. I reasoned that the boxing establishment was out to get Ali because of his opposition to the Vietnam war. Even going as far as to say that Judge Bill Recht, who scored the fight 11-4 in favor of Frazier, must've had a son who was drafted and that's why he was so biased in how he saw the fight in favor of Frazier so decidedly. Well, around 1972 I was re-watching the Super 8MM version of the fight with my friend across the street who loved Frazier as much as I loved Ali. While we were watching the fight for the umpteenth time, I was going through my theatrics every time Muhammad landed a punch trying to illustrate how Ali really won the bout. However, I noticed my buddy fell asleep and it was a waste of time trying to convince him that my guy won. So I sat down and continued watching the fight. As the rounds went by I asked myself if I just landed on earth from Mars and didn't know the name of either guy, who would I think was getting the better of it; the short guy wearing the green trunks or the tall guy wearing the red trunks? And for the first time I was honest and said if I didn't know who was who, I'd say the short guy in green trunks was winning....as we all know Ali was the taller guy sporting the red trunks and tassels on his boxing shoes. From that moment on I promised myself that I'd never lie to myself regarding whether or not my fighter or team won or lost. At that moment I realized that my manhood or self-worth had nothing to do regarding whether or not my guy won or lost. Today, when I re-watch Frazier-Ali I, I realize Bill Recht's score of 11-4 wasn't that far off. I usually score the fight 9-6 Frazier with 10-5 being very plausible. I was at the fight that night watching it live from the rafters of Madison Square Garden and had no doubt Joe won convincingly seeing it live and in the moment. A few years later Ali even admitted that he lost the first Frazier fight. He came back and beat Joe in their two subsequent bouts to win their trilogy and historically Ali deservedly ranks above Frazier. When Floyd Mayweather won a unanimous decision over Manny Pacquiao earlier this year, many Mayweather haters and Pacquiao fans cried over the decision and tried to convince anyone who would listen that Pacquiao really won the fight, which is flat out wrong. They reasoned that Floyd ran and Manny was the aggressor. This actually borders on being insane. Mayweather didn't run, he used his feet and boxed Pacquiao as it was stated in this space he would numerous times since 2009. He took advantage of Pacquiao's ineptness at cutting off the ring and his tendency to fight in spurts instead of applying bell-to-bell aggression. In fact, Pacquiao wasn't close to being an effective aggressor and wasn't even Floyd's toughest fight, something that had a lot to do with their natural fighting styles and Mayweather's advantages in size and reach. This past week Chris Chase of the USA today wrote, "Think back to this past May, if you will. It was a Saturday night. You gathered with your friends, either at their place or yours, then you collectively sat around, put $100 into the toilet and flushed, just waving goodbye to that substantial amount of cash. Remember that? The night of the dud of the century bout between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, the one Mayweather controlled from the outset while tediously jabbing his way to victory, all while your $99.95 went up in smoke, like the hundred-dollar bills Floyd probably uses to light cigars? Remember that? Well, it's been three-and-a-half months and Manny Pacquiao still somehow thinks he won that fight." Pacquiao thinks he won the fight? Really. Just look at his disposition during the bout after the fifth round and tell me that's a fighter who really believes in his heart that he's winning. Manny looked confused and bewildered because he was. No, Mayweather didn't beat him up and yes Pacquiao had an injured shoulder, but come on, Mayweather, with the exception of the fourth round, basically controlled the entire bout. He fought when he wanted to. He pot-shotted and boxed when he wanted to and even backed Pacquiao up when he sensed Manny was confused and searching for an answer on how to attack him with even a modicum of success. Something that never really transpired over the course of 12-rounds or 36 minutes of fighting/boxing. It's nearly four months out from the fight and Pacquiao is healing from shoulder surgery. There's no doubt that he's not done fighting and I expect that he'll try and get a rematch with Mayweather. If I were him, I certainly would. I'd justify it by reasoning even with one arm I didn't really get beat up and managed to win a few rounds. And if I'm Mayweather, I'd announce my retirement after I beat Andre Berto and then UN-retire and come back to fight Pacquiao for my 50th career win. And my justification for that would be the money for the fight, though not as good as the first time, will still be off the chart. In addition to that, Pacquiao wasn't my toughest fight and there's nothing he can do differently if we fight again. And therein lays the problem for Manny if he gets another shot at Floyd. Firstly, he better come to reality and accept that he lost to Mayweather and really never even gave him one good scare during the entire fight when they last met. If he accepts the truth, which isn't a given, somehow he and trainer Freddie Roach better come up with a plan that enables Manny to get inside and force the fight, thus making it impossible for Mayweather not to engage with him. This means Pacquiao will have to reinvent himself stylistically, and those odds aren?t too good, especially if he thinks just bringing more of what didn?t work the last time will work. This is the real world and reinventing himself from a stylistic vantage point won?t be easy. This is the real world and not Rocky III. Sadly, before Manny even has a chance to try and reconstruct his style, he must break from the mold in which most elite fighters can't admit they lost unless they were knocked out or punched all over the ring. Based on his thoughts suggesting that he won and Mayweather ran, it doesn't look good. Lastly, it's really not all that difficult to accept if you're a big Pacquiao fan that Mayweather won their fight because he really did. And believe it or not it doesn't make you less of a person or fan because your guy lost. It's life and everybody suffers setbacks and defeats, no one is spared from that and hopefully we learn and grow from it. Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at [url=http://www.thesweetscience.com/mailto:GlovedFist@Gmail.com]GlovedFist@Gmail.com

* Nuff - post #2 is interesting and seems to have perfect timing - said. :) :)


-SuperLight :

The problem with the author of this piece is that he has been obsessed with a certain favor and style since he was a little lad back in 1964. For two scores, a decade and a year, F-Lo has been brain washed to the flare and dare of "sticking like a butterfly and stinging like a bee," so he cannot tell when a nowadays pug is tricking like a buzzing fly and stinking the joint up like a piece of sh?t. The game is full of optical illusions when you have fallen in mad love with a certain style, behavior and aura. You have become blinded to any style that does not jive with that one you first saw in a long-gone yesteryear. That is the one and only way that one can win to you it becomes clear. So all of the actuality of the reality before your eye will disappear. What is stuck in your yesteryears, you will forever hold dear. Because of your childhood amazement of the one and only GOAT Ali, and you miss that time so, beating Money May to you no one can come near. He is the closest thing nowadays that that six-year-old saw on da tube back in 1964. The scrap with the injured Manny was razor close. Even TSS scored it 115 to 113 for Money May. Others scored it for Da Manny by the same score. Some -- like me -- had it a draw. You cannot expect anyone not caught up in the Ad Populum Fallacy of Money May's superior defense and fancy boksing to not lean your way. Holla!
The problem with this argument is that Floyd was in no way floating and stinging like anything. He wasn't dancing around, let alone running, as that tired put-down goes. I'm with Frank on this one. Manny lost it. Yeah, he let loose in round four, but he didn't exactly dazzle with flurries for the other eleven, did he? He didn't exactly stay out of range or come in and capitalise either. I was hoping he'd win because I think it would've converted a lot of people to our sport - Manny and his style are likeable for so many more people than Floyd and his. Robinson, Pep, Ali, Hagler, Chavez, Tszyu, Hamed, whoever's your favourite fighter, everyone wins and loses some... except Marciano I guess.


-Radam G :

The problem with this argument is that Floyd was in no way floating and stinging like anything. He wasn't dancing around, let alone running, as that tired put-down goes. I'm with Frank on this one. Manny lost it. Yeah, he let loose in round four, but he didn't exactly dazzle with flurries for the other eleven, did he? He didn't exactly stay out of range or come in and capitalise either. I was hoping he'd win because I think it would've converted a lot of people to our sport - Manny and his style are likeable for so many more people than Floyd and his. Robinson, Pep, Ali, Hagler, Chavez, Tszyu, Hamed, whoever's your favourite fighter, everyone wins and loses some... except Marciano I guess.
Go for what you know. And your way. Even "Iron" Mike Tyson and "The Real Deal" Evander Holyfield said that Lil Floyd "ran and didn't do nuffin!'" And "LOST!" It makes no sense to put proof of anything up. Your mind is made. Keep it that way. Blind is more of thinking than seeing. Holla!


-Radam G :

Lil Floyd ran like a deer. And held in fear. His pops even told him to "quit fighting scary." And to "do sumptin' [sic]!" Lil Floyd has already kept Uncle Roger out of the gym for saying the bout was close. And that Da Manny did well for "having a f***ed up shoulder." All ain't copacetic on TMT and in Fam May. Holla!


-Radam G :

BTW! Marciano is not the only top-gun elite pug to retire undefeated. I can name at least six all time greats who did nose lose or fought to a draw. I will bet you money that Money May will lose or draw before he gets out of the game. He has already lose a couple times, but was saved by corrupted gift verdicts. Holla!


-SuperLight :

Lil Floyd ran like a deer. And held in fear. His pops even told him to "quit fighting scary." And to "do sumptin' [sic]!" Lil Floyd has already kept Uncle Roger out of the gym for saying the bout was close. And that Da Manny did well for "having a f***ed up shoulder." All ain't on TMT and in Fam May. Holla!
My brother in boxing, all that might well be true. Yes, Manny did well for someone with a "messed-up" shoulder, but he still lost. Also, neither Tyson nor Holyfield was officially judging the bout. I'm not a judge, a veteran or an expert. I'm a boxer and a fight fan, and if I landed from Mars it would probably look like "Hublot" won it. We're unlikely to change each other's opinion, but please I'd like to see your breakdown of what Manny did to win and/or the instances where Floyd ran away. I won't mind admitting if I'm wrong. But PLEASE don't start with more gossip or conspiracy theory, just enlighten me about what the fighters did during the rounds.


-Radam G :

My brother in boxing, all that might well be true. Yes, Manny did well for someone with a "messed-up" shoulder, but he still lost. Also, neither Tyson nor Holyfield was officially judging the bout. I'm not a judge, a veteran or an expert. I'm a boxer and a fight fan, and if I landed from Mars it would probably look like "Hublot" won it. We're unlikely to change each other's opinion, but please I'd like to see your breakdown of what Manny did to win and/or the instances where Floyd ran away. I won't mind admitting if I'm wrong. But PLEASE don't start with more gossip or conspiracy theory, just enlighten me about what the fighters did during the rounds.
Gossip is not what I deal in. But there are tons of conspiracy in boksing. If you don't know that, you are just a cyberspace ____ ____ and are not in da real real of da real thing. I'm legit. And not full of syet. I recall many times that you have vouched wrongly for an instigator/making-up-syet keyboard warrior. And I shut dat syet down with 100-percent proof from the pug's grill. Money May is running and holding like a bytch right in this breakdown. And he is missing, but is credited because his arse many of his peons and pundits are kissing.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKlYZbByw4. Holla!


-SuperLight :

Gossip is not what I deal in. But there are tons of conspiracy in boksing. If you don't know that, you are just a cyberspace ____ ____ and are not in da real real of da real thing. I'm legit. And not full of syet. I recall many times that you have vouched wrongly for an instigator/making-up-syet keyboard warrior. And I shut dat syet down with 100-percent proof from the pug's grill. Money May is running and holding like a bytch right in this breakdown. And he is missing, but is credited because his arse many of his peons and pundits are kissing.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKlYZbByw4. Holla!
Yes, I'm sure there's conspiracy and bribery about. I just said I wasn't interested in it. I only wanted to know the score and the breakdown. And sorry I overlooked that you had the bout a draw rather than Pacquiao winning. I'm sure I haven't been around as many years as you. I don't know people "in the game" and won't pretend to. However, I don't know what a cyberspace blank blank is, so I can neither confirm nor deny being one. As to that breakdown link you posted, yes, it shows Floyd swinging and missing. I'll have to find the other 11 rounds and see how they compare. We must have a different definition of running though. I think Ali vs Cleveland Williams is a typical and very effective "running" performance, but don't see anything like it from Floyd vs Manny.


-stormcentre :

Pay no attention to him SL. He's still running from his *122 clinch (and many, many other far-fetched) claims; *which in itself answers and debunks his other claims in post #9, including those related to syet. This kind of behaviour is to be expected whenever anyone requests clarification and/or speaks of Floyd, Pac, and MayPac in reliable, accurate, and consistent terms. Please see the bolded items of post #3, as not only does this (predictably) apply here - but, also the author Frank got it right and explained MayPac in remotely consistent terms. If nothing else we get a free laugh almost every time he posts, and, of course, visions of this.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9TrbmZtwM :) :)


-stormcentre :

Pay no attention to him SL. He's still running from his *122 clinch (and many, many other far-fetched) claims; *which in itself answers and debunks his other claims in post #9, including those related to ""not being full of syet"". This kind of behaviour is to be expected whenever anyone requests clarification and/or speaks of Floyd, Pac, and MayPac in reliable, accurate, and consistent terms. Remember, we're talking about someone that claims punchers can't be made, which (not only neatly sidesteps explaining how you would make them but also) is in direct conflict with his other "legit and not full of syet" claims that suggest watermelon seeds and cherry juice increase punching speed and/or power. Some, not only simply don't know and/or can't accept when their game is up - but also can't stop dreaming or pretending. Please see the bolded items of post #3, as not only does this (predictably) apply here - but, also the author Frank got it right and explained MayPac in remotely consistent terms. If nothing else we get a free laugh almost every time he posts, and, of course, visions of this.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9TrbmZtwM :) :)


-amayseng :

Most people feel Floyd won because he kept Manny from flurrying and being Manny but at the same time what did Floyd do in return? He anti fought using a stay away jab and a hope this right hand looks good right while holding, stalling and running. I personally had it 7-5 for Floyd but with a re watch different. Floyd's biggest legacy defining fight and he **** the bed and laid an egg and stunk up the joint. Pops May said he was fighting scared, as he was as Pac was countering him and out boxing him a lot at times. I expected more from Pac because I expected a flurrying Pac, not a Pac with the strategy to out box Floyd. It is hard to flurry on a guy who is constantly fleeing the pocket. It was the farce of the century and a huge let down, Floyd truly disappointed in this fight as I expected a Cotto or Canelo performance out of him. A floyd ppv never again


-stormcentre :

Both guys didn't deliver the excitement some expected. But not only did everybody (rooting for and working with Pac) claim to know Floyd's so called "running" style (which means they should have been *prepared for it) - but they also all vehemently told us that Pac was *100% ready for anything Floyd does; which surely must include the basic skill of cutting off the ring. Last time I checked cutting off the ring doesn't involve your shoulder; so perhaps Pac's legs were shot - not Floyd's. If one wants to check the fight-tape, count the clinches, and measure the amount of time Pac had a chance to attack Floyd due to Floyd actually standing right in front of Manny, they will see that Floyd did this quite a lot in the MayPac fight. I know this because as I debunked the completely wrong 122 clinch (wet the bed because Floyd won) claim. This - Floyd standing in front of Pac more than some care to acknowledge - is another often overlooked fact about Pacquaios' loss to Floyd - one I am sure Frank is aware of when he states "Pacquiao And Fans Better Get A Grip On Reality That Mayweather Won". However despite nowhere near 122 clinches taking place and Floyd also standing in front of Pac more than some care to acknowledge; Pac - during the PayPac fight - was not effective. Not only that, Pac was also unable to both box with a pure technician and fulfil any of his more brash pre-fight promises, and as the fight wore on it was clear also that Pac became more and more hesitant when it became obvious that Floyd could do what he wanted; as the lead hooks and various other punches Floyd authored proved. This is why most that can't accept Pac's loss will (despite, via posting the same selective critique over and over, spending 3 times the effort required to discuss the video) not run through a MayPac video and present it - accurately time-stamp explained - so it details all the times Floyd was using his shot legs to supposedly "run" from Pac, and be boring. Because to do so opens the discussion up to facts (in their own video/post) that also explain (albeit inadvertently) not only all those claimed 122 clinches - but also all the lack of times during the fight that Pac was totally ineffective when Floyd and other opportunities that were presented to Pac provided a (completely un-captialized) chance for him to deliver on pre-fight promises. So, the real story is that Pac could not flurry on Floyd even when Floyd was right in front of him. And - as above stated - he also couldn't do it when Floyd (predictably; according to Roach) moved either; effectively displaying a complete inability and, more perhaps importantly, willingness to cut the ring off - let alone knock Floyd out as we were all told. I will not - too deeply - go into how Pac in some other fights - such as Margarito and Cotto - fights that may have not had such stringent PED testing, exhibited not only abundant energy and punches - but was also, then, able to chase and (in some sense of the term) cut the ring off; seemingly making for an exciting fight - unlike how MayPac is sometimes referred to by those whom backed (and screamed) for Pac. The name of the game is boxing, and only a fool would give his opponent a consistently stationary target. Still, Roach and Pac knew this, because they told us they knew Floyd's style, were 100%ready, and that they were ready for "anything" Floyd did. Usually, by 30 or 40 fights a good amateur boxer should know (at least the basics related) how to cut the ring off. However Pac was unable to do (even) this at all and/or anywhere near his pre-fight claims, and that combined with his other above-mentioned ineffectiveness and unwillingness directly contributed to a fight that people like to wholly attribute to Floyd being boring as they overlook the impact of Pac's performance and any relation it may have to pre-fight testing; probably so they can misdirect from how loud they may have been with the wrong MayPac prediction. So, in summary; even when Floyd stood right in front of Pac and let him wail . . . . Pac was - despite how he, Roach, and others claimed (and not at all quietly and without exaggeration either) Pac will easily break Floyd's defence and knock him out - completely and utterly unable to anything, including break Floyd's defence. Amongst other things what this showed us was that Pac, during the MayPac fight, was mostly only able to be (mildly) effective when counterpunching and hoping his opponent would play his - and not their - game. And aside from this being the complete opposite from what we were - whether it be months, or the very night, before the fight - repetitively told (""we're ready for anything, Floyd is getting KTFO"") by all those that were (both really and also pretending) to be in Pac's camp; it shows us quite clearly that Pac - as a fighter - to some extent, relies on getting the other guy to not only exchange without tactically thinking - but also not being a really good and well-composed boxer. This is further reinforced when one looks into Pac's fighting history and looks at some of his biggest wins. As usually they are opponents that are (if not catch-weight drained, without the same PED assistance, and recently beaten, then) not fast handed, without a defence, flat footed, and easily drawn into a shootout. So, Pac can - with reasonable ease - be said to feast on guys that are; slower than him, less energetic than him, weight drained, recently beaten, presumably with less capacity to carry oxygen and PEDs in their blood, without a good defence, and susceptible to not tactically thinking and instead being drawn into shootouts even if it doesn't serve them well. Interestingly, and perhaps hypocritically, these are some of the things that people - even those that refuse to support their claims - vehemently and repeatedly say of Floyd. Additionally, these are also the (real) reasons Pac lost. Because Floyd was not like the typical Roach-Pacquaio opponent. Pacquaio and Roach, in my opinion, knew this when they signed the contract, and they also knew that - particularly with a stringent PED testing phase - their chances of winning were slim to none. This is why we got lots of brash pre-fight claims that were not delivered on, and this is why the shoulder injury was "sat on" and brought out when it suited (after the loss); like an ace in a poker game. And this is why Pac is fielding lawsuits for fraud. Pac and Roach could not refuse the Money that MayPac offered, and for this reason they were prepared to risk it all; but not before providing the opposite impression to all fans, betting agencies, and spectators - so their income was maximized. Floyd, throughout the fight easily boxed Pac and moved precisely how one should fight a fast lefty. There were times when, in a manner that decreased as the fight wore on, Floyd fought hesitatingly. But for the most part I think Floyd knew that he could easily beat Pac and win without taking too many risks by simply using the stye he did and relying on the pre-fight testing, and he was right; I think that realisation is the hardest for some PacFans to accept. Floyd looked uninterested in the fight to me, but despite that and being (supposedly) "ineffective and boring . . . the fact is that he still beat someone whom everybody said he couldn't beat and someone that he was (supposedly) too scared to even fight and sign the contract. For years we were told that Pacquaio would destroy Floyd and present a problem that Floyd would have absolutely no answer to, and that was extremely wrong. It was wrong for many reasons, including, because this means - even by PacFans own accounts - that a guy (Floyd) that was supposedly "boring and ineffective" somehow still beat a PacKiller that (we were told by Roach, Pac and many others); would totally destroy Floyd - presented a problem that Floyd would have absolutely no answer to - was going to knock Floyd out - was 100% ready - claimed Floyd would not sign the contract and fight him because he was too scared; when no contract existed and when it did, contrary to what we were repetitively told, Floyd was actually the one offering it to Pac - is being sued by multiple entities for fraud associated with the MayPac fight. Last time I checked it is very hard for a "boring", and almost impossible for an "ineffective" fighter, to beat any fighter that is not more ineffective than them. There is a reason ten times the effort is spent on the same lip-service claims (that seek to justify/explain Pac's loos), rather than simply going to the video and using one tenth the effort to support them. Those reasons are briefly detailed above and also shown in how unpopular accurate discussions of PEDs, Pac's true performance, typical Pac opponents, true MayPac clinch count, and several other facts related to MayPac/Pac, are - especially whilst unfairly drubbing Floyd is always on offer, easier, and usually so loudly cheered by all those that backed the wrong donkey at the races such that - to some extent - it serves as an analgesic for Pacquaios' loss and any associated pain. Pac could not consistently deal with Floyd and his boxing ability, and the evidence of this is in how Pac not only could not consistently catch Floyd both when Floyd moved and/or stood still - but also in how Pac visibly gave up trying once it was clear he had no answer for the skills and tactics Floyd employed - the same skills and tactics Pac said he was 100% prepared for. Pac is currently on his way to - legally and therefore Snoop Doggy Dog Dog really - becoming not just the biggest fraud and the most sued boxer on the planet - but he was also soundly and easily beaten by someone that is - at least as far as many (not me) are concerned - "boring and ineffective". And to prove it not only can none of the above facts can be meaningfully and accurately disputed - but also the above-mentioned explanatory video that would easily clarify (claimed) clinches, (claimed) "running", and all the MayPac missed opportunities for Pac to deliver on promises, will remain in the forever shadows. Driven and left there by fear of the truth and also what it means for the future of both rubbishing Floyd and discussing Pacquaios' loss to him in Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real terms. :) :)


-Radam G :

Yes, I'm sure there's conspiracy and bribery about. I just said I wasn't interested in it. I only wanted to know the score and the breakdown. And sorry I overlooked that you had the bout a draw rather than Pacquiao winning. I'm sure I haven't been around as many years as you. I don't know people "in the game" and won't pretend to. However, I don't know what a cyberspace blank blank is, so I can neither confirm nor deny being one. As to that breakdown link you posted, yes, it shows Floyd swinging and missing. I'll have to find the other 11 rounds and see how they compare. We must have a different definition of running though. I think Ali vs Cleveland Williams is a typical and very effective "running" performance, but don't see anything like it from Floyd vs Manny.
The GOAT did not run from the late, very good night Cleveland Williams. He used a fighting strategy of side to side and "turning and burning." And, of course, he was strolling and properly shoulder rolling. Money May ran straight back and clinched and illegally held and held. Lucky that he fought a southpaw with a damaged right shoulder. Money May was smart to run to the safety of the damaged shoulder. And even clinch, held and twisted it to cause more pain and damage. Don't forget that Money May knew about Da Manny's damaged shoulder a whole three weeks before the match, thanks to Money May's low-and-high tech spying in Da Manny's training camp. The interview is easy to find. I'm just sticking with the sighting of Money May's imaged great performance that is going down in history as a POS from a con man.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eYKJiu2HA. Holla!


-SuperLight :

Gossip is not what I deal in. But there are tons of conspiracy in boksing. If you don't know that, you are just a cyberspace ____ ____ and are not in da real real of da real thing. I'm legit. And not full of syet. I recall many times that you have vouched wrongly for an instigator/making-up-syet keyboard warrior. And I shut dat syet down with 100-percent proof from the pug's grill. Money May is running and holding like a bytch right in this breakdown. And he is missing, but is credited because his arse many of his peons and pundits are kissing.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0gKlYZbByw4. Holla!
Radam, I don't recall vouching for anyone, let alone many times. If I happen to agree with stormcentre, brownsugar or whoever else you mistrust or don't like, I don't see a problem. They don't need me or anyone else to vouch for or defend them. I'm sure you are all big boys and girls who can sort out your own problems... or not. Amayseng made a good point about people's expectations of Pac and May. I expected Manny to be the aggressor, and a far more effective one than he was, especially with Roach's not ruling out a KO. I think Mayweather did exactly what was expected, no surprise to anyone. I'm not a big fan of either Floyd or Manny but, like I said, I was "rooting" for Manny. Whatever factors were in play, I believe Manny needed a KO or at least to deal a severe belting to secure the victory. In reality, neither of these guys hurt each other. Remember Hagler vs Leonard? I'm a big Hagler fan, but I wouldn't pretend that he won that one. Again, whatever other factors notwithstanding, Hagler gave away rounds, and he should have learnt since Antuofermo and some of his early losses that he needed to, guess what?, knock the brother out or at least give him a severe beating. Which he failed to do. Top it off with Leonard throwi g flurries to woo the judges, and we have the still-debated decision in Leonard's favour. Now I know that Manny and Floyd are not Marvin and Ray, but I believe the same principle applied here. To me it looked like Floyd fought the defensive fight that everyone thought he would. He worked the edge of range and effectively used body movement for defence. He threw those jabs, compubox be damned, many of which appeared to land. Manny to me just looked frustrated and ineffective for most of the fight, and not like the fighter anyone expected.


-Kid Blast :

This excellent article was soiled by the first curiously lengthy post from the poster who apparently has nothing else to do but post on this site.


-SuperLight :

The GOAT did not run from the late, very good night Cleveland Williams. He used a fighting strategy of side to side and "turning and burning." And, of course, he was strolling and properly shoulder rolling. Money May ran straight back and clinched and illegally held and held. Lucky that he fought a southpaw with a damaged right shoulder. Money May was smart to run to the safety of the damaged shoulder. And even clinch, held and twisted it to cause more pain and damage. Don't forget that Money May knew about Da Manny's damaged shoulder a whole three weeks before the match, thanks to Money May's low-and-high tech spying in Da Manny's training camp. The interview is easy to find. I'm just sticking with the sighting of Money May's imaged great performance that is going down in history as a POS from a con man.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eYKJiu2HA. Holla!
My man, again we are disagreeing about what constitutes running. No matter. Please let's forget conspiracies and sly tactics and whatever else was at play. I don't think Floyd's performance was particularly great, just better than Manny's, which is all he needed. I think very few people would call the bout exciting, and most would have expected Pac to make it so.


-Froggy :

My man, again we are disagreeing about what constitutes running. No matter. Please let's forget conspiracies and sly tactics and whatever else was at play. I don't think Floyd's performance was particularly great, just better than Manny's, which is all he needed. I think very few people would call the bout exciting, and most would have expected Pac to make it so.
One hundred per cent correct, nobody ever expects Mayweather to make a fight exciting !


-Radam G :

Radam, I don't recall vouching for anyone, let alone many times. If I happen to agree with stormcentre, brownsugar or whoever else you mistrust or don't like, I don't see a problem. They don't need me or anyone else to vouch for or defend them. I'm sure you are all big boys and girls who can sort out your own problems... or not. Amayseng made a good point about people's expectations of Pac and May. I expected Manny to be the aggressor, and a far more effective one than he was, especially with Roach's not ruling out a KO. I think Mayweather did exactly what was expected, no surprise to anyone. I'm not a big fan of either Floyd or Manny but, like I said, I was "rooting" for Manny. Whatever factors were in play, I believe Manny needed a KO or at least to deal a severe belting to secure the victory. In reality, neither of these guys hurt each other. Remember Hagler vs Leonard? I'm a big Hagler fan, but I wouldn't pretend that he won that one. Again, whatever other factors notwithstanding, Hagler gave away rounds, and he should have learnt since Antuofermo and some of his early losses that he needed to, guess what?, knock the brother out or at least give him a severe beating. Which he failed to do. Top it off with Leonard throwi g flurries to woo the judges, and we have the still-debated decision in Leonard's favour. Now I know that Manny and Floyd are not Marvin and Ray, but I believe the same principle applied here. To me it looked like Floyd fought the defensive fight that everyone thought he would. He worked the edge of range and effectively used body movement for defence. He threw those jabs, compubox be damned, many of which appeared to land. Manny to me just looked frustrated and ineffective for most of the fight, and not like the fighter anyone expected.
Maybe I have it wrong. But I recall you vouching for Brownsugar when he was adamant that Cuban Willie Rigo begged to spar with Da Manny. Rigo never made such a request as I clearly showed Rigo saying on YouTube that it never happened. Holla!


-Matthew :

I might be in the slight minority here (although it looks like a few regular readers of this site agree with me), but I saw a much closer fight than most people. I had Mayweather winning the fight 115-113, which kind of surprised me when I totaled my scorecard. Mayweather controlled distance and dictated tempo, and landed single right hands and jabs (in short, he did what he has consistently done since moving to welterweight). That being said, I was not particularly impressed with his performance. I thought his performance against Alvarez was much more impressive (for the record, I had that fight scored much closer than most people at 116-113). Pacquiao landed the harder punches, but didn't let his hands go nearly enough, and seemed to have no idea how to cut the ring off. In short, his performance was poor, the injured shoulder not withstanding. Not too many people bring this up, but I thought Freddie Roach was way off his game that night. I thought his game plan was poor, he didn't make any adjustments, and really didn't give much sound advice in the corner. Also, if he knew Pacquiao's shoulder was compromised (and he clearly did), why predict an early kayo?There wasn't much of a sense of urgency from him when it was clear that Pacquiao was behind on the scorecards. I don't know if the Parkinson's is to blame, but I think he's starting to slip (still one of the best teachers in the game, however). I also think that Roach talks just as much, if not more smack than Angel Garcia or the Mayweathers, yet he seems to get a pass from most people (he shouldn't). In short, while Mayweather was just a little bit better than Pacquiao that night, BOTH fighters are to blame for that colossal dud we shelled out $100 to watch. Here's hoping that both fighters retire so that we can focus our attention on younger and fresher fighters in the future.


-Radam G :

Radam, I don't recall vouching for anyone, let alone many times. If I happen to agree with stormcentre, brownsugar or whoever else you mistrust or don't like, I don't see a problem. They don't need me or anyone else to vouch for or defend them. I'm sure you are all big boys and girls who can sort out your own problems... or not. Amayseng made a good point about people's expectations of Pac and May. I expected Manny to be the aggressor, and a far more effective one than he was, especially with Roach's not ruling out a KO. I think Mayweather did exactly what was expected, no surprise to anyone. I'm not a big fan of either Floyd or Manny but, like I said, I was "rooting" for Manny. Whatever factors were in play, I believe Manny needed a KO or at least to deal a severe belting to secure the victory. In reality, neither of these guys hurt each other. Remember Hagler vs Leonard? I'm a big Hagler fan, but I wouldn't pretend that he won that one. Again, whatever other factors notwithstanding, Hagler gave away rounds, and he should have learnt since Antuofermo and some of his early losses that he needed to, guess what?, knock the brother out or at least give him a severe beating. Which he failed to do. Top it off with Leonard throwi g flurries to woo the judges, and we have the still-debated decision in Leonard's favour. Now I know that Manny and Floyd are not Marvin and Ray, but I believe the same principle applied here. To me it looked like Floyd fought the defensive fight that everyone thought he would. He worked the edge of range and effectively used body movement for defence. He threw those jabs, compubox be damned, many of which appeared to land. Manny to me just looked frustrated and ineffective for most of the fight, and not like the fighter anyone expected.
I was dead wrong, SuperLight. It was not you, but Chris L always instigating with claims of being able to vouch for ____ ___s and the likes. I holla at the never-changing, never-bias TSS archives. They are as solid as a tablet of pure 999.999 gold. But the usual characters of chaos, trolling and bulljiving will be busted but continue to roll with make believe and made-up syet. Holla!


-Radam G :

I might be in the slight minority here (although it looks like a few regular readers of this site agree with me), but I saw a much closer fight than most people. I had Mayweather winning the fight 115-113, which kind of surprised me when I totaled my scorecard. Mayweather controlled distance and dictated tempo, and landed single right hands and jabs (in short, he did what he has consistently done since moving to welterweight). That being said, I was not particularly impressed with his performance. I thought his performance against Alvarez was much more impressive (for the record, I had that fight scored much closer than most people at 116-113). Pacquiao landed the harder punches, but didn't let his hands go nearly enough, and seemed to have no idea how to cut the ring off. In short, his performance was poor, the injured shoulder not withstanding. Not too many people bring this up, but I thought Freddie Roach was way off his game that night. I thought his game plan was poor, he didn't make any adjustments, and really didn't give much sound advice in the corner. Also, if he knew Pacquiao's shoulder was compromised (and he clearly did), why predict an early kayo?There wasn't much of a sense of urgency from him when it was clear that Pacquiao was behind on the scorecards. I don't know if the Parkinson's is to blame, but I think he's starting to slip (still one of the best teachers in the game, however). I also think that Roach talks just as much, if not more smack than Angel Garcia or the Mayweathers, yet he seems to get a pass from most people (he shouldn't). In short, while Mayweather was just a little bit better than Pacquiao that night, BOTH fighters are to blame for that colossal dud we shelled out $100 to watch. Here's hoping that both fighters retire so that we can focus our attention on younger and fresher fighters in the future.
You have always been solid and real with it. We appreciate cha! And that you are not a bulljiver or manitch-arse instigator or chaotic troll. Holla!


-Radam G :

I was dead wrong, SuperLight. It was not you, but Chris L always instigating with claims of being able to vouch for ____ ___s and the likes. I holla at the never-changing, never-bias TSS archives. They are as solid as a tablet of pure 999.999 gold. But the usual characters of chaos, trolling and bulljiving will be busted but continue to roll with make believe and made-up syet. Holla!
Now that I have you unmixed up with quick to quick-to-trump-up-syet vouching-for-make-believe Chris L, holla at the YouTube clippings:
->http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=270162. And I ain't trying to change you to a PacManite. I just letting you see how a mind can be fooled with diz, dat and da third of bias real-time talking heads. Holla!


-stormcentre :

This excellent article was soiled by the first curiously lengthy post from the poster who apparently has nothing else to do but post on this site.
Yes I agree. The first post #1 on this thread did soil matters. However, that has been happening for more than 2 years now; far longer than those posts that simply respond to and/or address the *falsehoods with unpopular truth each time *they're dished out. I am so glad you're perceptive enough to see the Snoop Doggy Dog Dod reality of the whole situation and not just simply be a carriage service for wildly unsubstantiated claims; as some people just jump in without thinking, almost as if they're governed by - not the truth - but what they feel will be the most popular move. Curious behaviour indeed; agreed. All up it shows how truths are often shunned, rejected, and treated like untruths would normally be. - even in a thread (like this) where the thread's original writer/author (Frank) is actually detailing how Pac fans lie to themselves; which means it's the perfect place to present the truth and highlight lies. Good stuff Kid, as - after your positive feedback of my domestic abuse pieces - I was pretty sure you were not going to be easily fooled into subscribing to propaganda, and lies. :) :)


-Rock :

HIS WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN LIES AND ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER...HES ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS Morales defeats Pacquiao by decision. : "He lost because he wasn't allowed to wear his gloves, he had itchy socks on!" he was weakened from a blood draw Bradley defeats Pacquiao by decision. : "Pacquiao was robbed!" Marquez knocks Pacquiao out cold in round 6. : "Pacquiao lost because Marquez was on peds, lucky punch, he stepped on my foot!" Mayweather beats Pacquiao by clear decision. : "Pacquiao was robbed, he had a shoulder injury, Floyd ran all night, if he stopped moving I could him more" the judges, biased commentators, al haymon, NSAC, couldnt get a needle numbing injection for my shoulder (signed off he had no injuries) Now he didnt even do any rehab or see a Doctor...just seawater? 3 months later hes 100% healed? ...SMH
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3DMHJ9A3pM
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-d2HoH_onw
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0JWH5LnJhM


-Kid Blast :

Storm Centre has the beat


-Art :

Radam calls it like it is!! He's not biased, he's being real to the sport of boxing! Period!! Most of us feel like that and I see it written in the non-biased articles written about Floyd. He's not even close to being an all time great and now that the USADA issue has turned up, i wouldn't be surprised if his career turns out to be worse than Lance Armstrong. Google that!! Although, Radam G, my all time favorite was Sugar Ray Robinson!! I had the pleasure of watching many of his fights on 8mm when i was a young guy boxing in the amateurs. Like a fine woman takes your breath away, SRR took your breath away when he was at his best!! Unreal skill, power, speed and heart!!! peace!!


-Radam G :

HIS WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN LIES AND ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER...HES ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS Morales defeats Pacquiao by decision. : "He lost because he wasn't allowed to wear his gloves, he had itchy socks on!" he was weakened from a blood draw Bradley defeats Pacquiao by decision. : "Pacquiao was robbed!" Marquez knocks Pacquiao out cold in round 6. : "Pacquiao lost because Marquez was on peds, lucky punch, he stepped on my foot!" Mayweather beats Pacquiao by clear decision. : "Pacquiao was robbed, he had a shoulder injury, Floyd ran all night, if he stopped moving I could him more" the judges, biased commentators, al haymon, NSAC, couldnt get a needle numbing injection for my shoulder (signed off he had no injuries) Now he didnt even do any rehab or see a Doctor...just seawater? 3 months later hes 100% healed? ...SMH
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3DMHJ9A3pM
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-d2HoH_onw
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0JWH5LnJhM
To each his own. There are no restrictions for fantasy or reality up in this Forum. The actuality of the reality is what it is. Lil' Floyd has lost three bouts as a pro. But on record, he is still undefeated. The GOAT Ali lost to the late, great Kenny Norton three times. But the records say one. GOAT Ali lost to the late, great "Smokin'" Joe Frazier two out of three times, but the records claim that Papa Smoke lost two out three times. The GOAT lost once to Doug Jones and once to the late, great Jimmy Young, but the record books claim that the GOAT beat both of them. The late, greats "Brownbomber" Joe Louis and "Jersey" Joe Walcott split two bouts, but the records indicate that the BrownBomber won both bouts. Pacquiao is not unique to any of the greats. Hate on him until it makes you feel grand. But it won't changes the actuality of the reality of how history and da game flow and record. And of all people -- no matter what pseudonym that you decide to use, this you should know. Saying dumb, mean shyt gets you nowhere. American medicine and American doktors cause more harm than healing. The whole d@mn world know this, including Yanks. This is why those that can, go to Asia and even Latin American for medical procedures. Four hundred thousand people are killed or disabled by U.S. mainland American doktors and medicine yearly. Check the records. Know before you blow. Don't be so up-in-the-head d@mn SLOW. Mocking in ignorance is strong and a darn shame USA way. Go ahead and have your say. It ain't nuffin' [sic] but the same old dumb-arse play. Da Manny and nobody else are required to heal themselves the AmerKano way. Oftentimes, speeding to do dat syet, in a permanent grave you will lay. There are all types of healing around the globe. And they work. The world no long catches a cold because the USA sneezes. Nor does the world has to believe the best health and medicine is in the USA. Da Manny is in the best care in the P-Islands. Holla!


-stormcentre :

I was dead wrong, SuperLight. It was not you, but Chris L always instigating with claims of being able to vouch for ____ ___s and the likes. I holla at the never-changing, never-bias TSS archives. They are as solid as a tablet of pure 999.999 gold. But the usual characters of chaos, trolling and bulljiving will be busted but continue to roll with make believe and made-up syet. Holla!
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Achtung 1 - Long Post That May Contain Truthful & Accurate Pac & Floyd Facts.
Achtung 2; many paragraphs are numbered to assist.
Achtung 3; many paragraphs are separated to assist. Do not read this post if you love to; complain about posts/Floyd, ignore PacFacts and the truth, and enjoy the environment created by not addressing the root cause of complaints with the simple solution provided herein. ------------------------------------------------------------------- That was me MMMRG. I supported BS on that issue, and I stand by doing so. Furthermore, I actually think BS provided this forum with fairly good proof of his claims (that you were up in arms about because they - despite them being seemingly true - they didn't quite portray Pac in the light you want); in relation to Roach not wanting to put Pac in with Rigondeaux. Speaking of proof and those matters that are highlighted in post #2, and also your post #14(by way of the clinches claim and links provided); given that you're dropping YouTube links to support your claims is there any chance you could please drop one showing all Floyd's 122 clinches to support your previous (but curiously accepted without so much as half the concern for the truth) claims? As previously stated, I am prepared to share the work of going through the video and counting the clinches, and other points of interest in the MayPac fight. I was hoping this would be of interest to you, as I see you have - on numerous occasions (even) in just this thread (but also others) made references to bulljivers, and other terms that suggest un-truthfullness is important to you. So, rather than releasing tens and hundreds of posts on the same circular ""Pac lost and was in a boring fight due to no fault of his own"" subject I was thinking we could address many of the concerns some have about the truth, any lack of it, and any accurate portrayal of both phenomena (whether it be in long/short posts). In essence we could - by joining "forces", looking over a MayPac fight video together, detailing the points of interest (such as when Pac was said to have advised Roach he tore his shoulder in round 4), and publishing the Snoop Doggy Dog Dog (real/truthful) results; 1) Understand what is the Snoop Doggy Dog Dog actuality of the reality in relation to MayPac, and all associated claims and complaints. 2) Remove the need to complain about any posts (which itself could be cause for a complaint :) ) that discuss the truth or lack of it in relation to MayPac; with far less effort than continuing as is. 3) Find out why posts - whether they be long/short or authored by anyone, that discuss Pac in terms that are at least as proven (if not more) as those Floyd is negatively discussed in, regularly receive a different emotional reaction and response to (and are curiously tolerated more than) those that both, can (and are negative) and also can't be substantiated (and are routinely avoided) about Floyd. 4) Discover the true clinch count and how close it is to the claimed 122. 5) Discover how much Floyd "ran", and how much Pac was un/able to be effective. 6) Discover not just why - when Algieri "ran" from Pac all night, he received far, far less flack for it than Floyd's supposed execution of the same style - but also whether Pacquaio actually received far less flack for it because (regardless of the absence of meaningful PED testing protocols) he was able to be effective in that fight; which meant PacFans were then, comparably, prepared to overlook Chris’ “running” movement (which was much more than Floyd’s) because Pacquaio (somehow on this occasion) still caught him. 7) Discover whether the truth about MayPac and all the things Floyd was meant to both have, and not have, done in it, has any relation to the pattern related to Pacquaio, his actions, the truth, and the often overlooked/denied pattern created by; • All the false claims we were told by Roach, Pac and many others before the fight. • The false claim related to how Pac was going to knock Floyd out. • The false claim related to how Pac was meant to be 100% ready. • The false claim related to how Floyd was conflicting with himself and his pre-fight PED testing regime by not agreeing to Pacquaio’s suggestion that any positive PED test be associated with a 5M penalty; when in fact Floyd’s actions effectively meant that any positive PED test would actually not be limited by a 5M penalty. • Pacquaio’s actions of wanting to limit any positive PED test to a 5M penalty; an extremely small percentage of his purse. • The false pre-fight claim related to how Floyd (supposedly) would not sign the contract and fight Pac because he was too scared; when (Pacquaio knew that) no contract really existed – but when it actually was brought into existence - contrary to what we were repetitively told - Floyd was actually the one offering it to Pacquaio. • How Pac (not Floyd) is being sued by multiple entities for fraud associated with the MayPac fight. • How Pac fraudulently populated the NSAC form, looking for – only hours before the fight - an injection; that some specialists denied due to its PED like actions. • How Pac seemingly has not adhered to the proper rehab principles in relation to his shoulder injury (which we are right to judge as) that forms Pac's MayPac fight-loss excuse. • How – even to date – no information exists that accurately defines the true origin/nature of Pacquaio’s shoulder injury and MayPac fight-loss excuse. • How Roach and Arum have almost completely confirmed that Pac was on the PEDjuice when he used catch-weights to previously destroy opponents and rise to fame. • How Pac – before Roach and Arum have almost completely confirmed that Pac was on the PEDjuice - sued Floyd for telling the truth about Pac being on PEDs. • The relationships between all the following; Pac, PEDs, his MayPac performance, the NSAC form, and the MayPac pre-fight PED testing phase. Note: how many of these above points are far more accurate and far less popular than, not only accusing Floyd for being solely responsible for a “boring/ineffective” fight – but also castigating anyone whom dares raise them and the truth; curious. 8) Why it bothers some – whether they be PacFans that cant accept the loss to Floyd or not - to raise all the issues (such as those above/below mentioned) related to Pac, in response to Floyd's win being consistently and negatively discussed, including in terms that seem to be without validity; when the same amount of bother and un-comfortability is not (never?) associated with; • Not only the leading/instigating instances of when Floyd's win is being consistently and negatively discussed. • But also those (many) times when the extreme claims about Floyd are obviously ran from when the slightest suggestion of a request for clarification/substantiation seems on the horizon; revealing a preference for what it is that Floyd is ridiculed for – “hitting and/or running”. 9) Discover not just whether Floyd (or Pac) was supposedly "boring and ineffective", but how it was at all possible to be in such as state and still win if Pac himself was not responsible for some of the so called “boringness and ineffectiveness” that is currently only bestowed upon Floyd. 10) Whether the author Frank is correct when he claims that PacFans not only lie to themselves – but also need to accept the truth; that Pac lost. 11) If there is any truth to the claim that PacFans – particularly those whom ridicule others whom provide an accurate/alternative view to both, the common rubbishing of Floyd and how only he (but, despite all the above, somehow not Pacquaio in any way) is meant to be solely responsible for what is called a “boring” fight – have shown a distinctively less willingness to substantiate their claims; than, say, those whom provide the above-mentioned accurate/alternative view to the common rubbishing of Floyd that is, despite being harsh and extreme at times, largely delivered without substantiation. 12) If there is any truth to the claim that no matter what the minority - whom provide the above-mentioned accurate/alternative view to the common rubbishing of Floyd – write; it is still far less content than the cumulative unsubstantiated amount of negative views written about Floyd by PacFans; that, curiously, brings about the responses that are selectively cried about. 13) Discover why point 12 is often overlooked, when point 11 seems to be supported by a historical view of all posted about MayPac; essentially describing a preference for complaining about the truth and either supporting, ignoring, and cheering (or all) about the opposite – particularly if it relates to misdirecting from Pacquaio’s antics and MayPac performance. So, in essence - and at the risk of depriving (some, not all) PacFans of a commonly loved pass-time and complaint set that thrives on ambiguity - we could spend a (comparably to what occurs now) small amount of time going through each MayPac round and not only solve everyone's MayPac problems in one simple exercise – but also show me how much of this post is inaccurate and bulljive. From there we could see what the truth and untruth really was, and settle anyone’s concerns about post content/length, bulljiving, “effectiveness”, and so forth. In response to the above point 4 (which coincidentally serves as an excellent example of point 11); I have already looked at the tape. Therefore, I would be happy to help and/or stand corrected. Who knows maybe some others that complain may like to also pitch in and convert their energy into something useful and truthful. What about you Radam (want to put those solid gold archives that reveal “made up syet” to good use)? Or anyone else? Anyone want to be a part of the solution/truth? Rather than the opposite; as that’s what I am proposing here. Let’s find out the real truth about the MayPac fight; that seems to be a popular obsession discussing in differing, sometimes unproven, justifying, and often carping terms. After all, it’s not like the MayPac fight is not of interest to many here; so therefore it would hardly be considered hard work watching it (on the same video) and detailing (with time-stamps) yours and the above-mentioned points of interest as you watch. The alternative, I guess, is to continue in the same vein, complaining, wallowing in ambiguity, running from claims, and using accurate accounts of what really happened as a catalyst for rounding the troops up, comfort, and being popular. Either way I and the truth wins, so I have no vested interest; even though the smart money says anything that resembles a solution, the truth, and accuracy will be rejected. 10 final things; A) Pacquaio managed to chase Chris Algieri (a fight providing far less motivation than MayPac) all night – but not Floyd; whom moved considerably less than Chris. Now - even aside from the above point 6 - I wonder why this was so? As, according to some reports that appear to come from Pacquaio’s team/promoter, Pacquaio’s shoulder was (more freshly) injured when he fought Chris? B) If the truth is not pretty for Floyd (or Pac) it won’t bother me one bit. C) There are currently more than 250 separate posts in this forum detailing questionable, extreme, and/or negative slights about Floyd and/or holding him solely accountable for the MayPac’s fight outcome (the authors of the posts can search common keywords for proof). D) The posts written by those that don’t share the views described in above point 3 currently stand at far, far less than that number. This (even aside from point 11) highlights the imbalance of MayPac views, as much as it justifies any alternative view presented by the minority that believe Pacquaio has a little more accountability than those that suggest Floyd is at fault may have us believe. E) This entire post took me no more than 15 mins to type. I type pretty quick and the length of time it may take anyone else to generate the same quality/quantity content therefore don’t apply and should not be imposed upon me and/or construed to mean I must have nothing else better to do; even if that is sometimes the truth. F) So, now we have a simple solution and choice that also happens to serve as a little social experiment on how popular the truth is when compared to lies/complaining; continue to (expend more energy/effort, and) complain and profit from the un-truth and ambiguity - or define and solve the real issue (with far, far less energy/effort) that currently seems to be popularly utilised to complain about in questionable terms. G) Either way, hopefully those addicted to exaggerating, questionably complaining, and profiting from the ambiguity and (as Frank rightly puts it) "lies" associated with MayPac will at least - that is, whilst they choose not to come forward and be a part of the above-mentioned solution to their own concerns - stop these carping actions, look in the mirror, and ask themselves; "why is such a simple solution - one that not only poses no hard-work for me (as I often view/reference YouTube videos for other means that suit my purposes) - but one that is also related to a subject I am clearly passionate about (MayPac) - to what I am complaining about, so unpopular to me? H) Despite being easy and not serious for me; this - in terms beyond even the interesting above-mentined social experiment and its predicable outcomes - is really almost as good fun as it is revealing. I) I think you're all cool, no matter how much anyone . . "runs" from (like Floyd is said to, and Algieri did) and rejects the truth, subscribes to it, and/or loves to questionably or otherwise complain; whether or not (notwithstanding all the above 13 points, especially 9 - 13, which amongst other things, means) they're actually complaining about themselves. Any takers? I will count clinches and times when Pac was ineffective, and provide the time-stamp proof. All you have to do is prove your complaints/claims and/or count the times when Floyd "ran", was boring/ineffective and/or list (if it pleases you) when Pac was in/effective; and provide the time-stamp proof. Anyone prepared to put far less energy - than used to complain over the last 4 (or even 1) months - into a real solution, one that solves what's commonly complained about and also exposes the truth? Quick, as I am holding breath with confidence that someone will step up to the plate - and display the same confidence/assurance as that shown when many complaints, lies, and claims (that are, for some reason, strangely tolerated and promoted) are released - on this matter/solution; that involves nothing more than a commonly used, easy, and fun YouTube mechanism - and, of course a little bit of teamwork and honesty. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Maybe I have it wrong. But I recall you vouching for Brownsugar when he was adamant that Cuban Willie Rigo begged to spar with Da Manny. Rigo never made such a request as I clearly showed Rigo saying on YouTube that it never happened. Holla!
[QUOTE=Radam G;86959]I was dead wrong, SuperLight. It was not you, but Chris L always instigating with claims of being able to vouch for ____ ___s and the likes. I holla at the never-changing, never-bias TSS archives. They are as solid as a tablet of pure 999.999 gold. But the usual characters of chaos, trolling and bulljiving will be busted but continue to roll with make believe and made-up syet. Holla![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Radam G;86947]The GOAT did not run from the late, very good night Cleveland Williams. He used a fighting strategy of side to side and "turning and burning." And, of course, he was strolling and properly shoulder rolling. Money May ran straight back and clinched and illegally held and held. Lucky that he fought a southpaw with a damaged right shoulder. Money May was smart to run to the safety of the damaged shoulder. And even clinch, held and twisted it to cause more pain and damage. Don't forget that Money May knew about Da Manny's damaged shoulder a whole three weeks before the match, thanks to Money May's low-and-high tech spying in Da Manny's training camp. The interview is easy to find. I'm just sticking with the sighting of Money May's imaged great performance that is going down in history as a POS from a con man.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eYKJiu2HA. Holla![/QUOTE] -------------------------------------------------------------------
Achtung 1 - Long Post That May Contain Truthful & Accurate Pac & Floyd Facts.
Achtung 2; many paragraphs are numbered to assist.
Achtung 3; many paragraphs are separated to assist. Do not read this post if you love to; complain about posts/Floyd, ignore PacFacts and the truth, and enjoy the environment created by not addressing the root cause of complaints with the simple solution provided herein. ------------------------------------------------------------------- That was me MMMRG. I supported BS on that issue, and I stand by doing so. Furthermore, I actually think BS provided this forum with fairly good proof of his claims (that you were up in arms about because they - despite them being seemingly true - they didn't quite portray Pac in the light you want); in relation to Roach not wanting to put Pac in with Rigondeaux. Speaking of proof and those matters that are highlighted in post #2, and also your post #14 (by way of the clinches claim and YouTube links provided); given that you're dropping YouTube links to support your claims, and making both a fuss about bulljivers (house without mirrors?) and frequent reference to me - is there any chance you could please drop a YouTube link showing all Floyd's 122 clinches to support your previous (but curiously accepted without so much as half the concern for the truth) claims? As previously stated, I am prepared to share the work of going through the video and counting the clinches, and other points of interest in the MayPac fight. I was hoping this would be of interest to you, as I see you have - on numerous occasions (even) in just this thread (but also others) made references to bulljivers, and other terms that suggest un-truthfullness is important to you. So, rather than releasing tens and hundreds of posts on the same circular "Pac lost and was in a boring fight due to no fault of his own" subject I was thinking we could address many of the concerns some have about the truth, any lack of it, and any accurate portrayal of both phenomena (whether it be in long/short posts). In essence we could - by joining "forces", looking over a MayPac fight video together, detailing the points of interest (such as when Pac was said to have advised Roach he tore his shoulder in round 4), and publishing the Snoop Doggy Dog Dog (real/truthful) results; 1) Understand what is the Snoop Doggy Dog Dog actuality of the reality in relation to MayPac, and all associated claims and complaints. 2) Remove the need to complain about any posts (which itself could be cause for a complaint ) that discuss the truth or lack of it in relation to MayPac; with far less effort than continuing as is. 3) Find out why posts - whether they be long/short or authored by anyone, that discuss Pac in terms that are at least as proven (if not more) as those Floyd is negatively discussed in, regularly receive a different emotional reaction and response to (and are curiously tolerated more than) those that both, can (and are negative) and also can't be substantiated (and are routinely avoided) about Floyd. 4) Discover the true clinch count and how close it is to the claimed 122. 5) Discover how much Floyd "ran", and how much Pac was un/able to be effective. 6) Discover not just why - when Algieri "ran" from Pac all night, he received far, far less flack for it than Floyd's supposed execution of the same style - but also whether Pacquaio actually received far less flack for it because (regardless of the absence of meaningful PED testing protocols) he was able to be effective in that fight; which meant PacFans were then, comparably, prepared to overlook Chris’ “running” movement (which was much more than Floyd’s) because Pacquaio (somehow on this occasion) still caught him. 7) Discover whether the truth about MayPac and all the things Floyd was meant to both have, and not have, done in it, has any relation to the pattern related to Pacquaio, his actions, the truth, and the often overlooked/denied pattern created by; • All the false claims we were told by Roach, Pac and many others before the fight. • The false claim related to how Pac was going to knock Floyd out. • The false claim related to how Pac was meant to be 100% ready. • The false claim related to how Floyd was conflicting with himself and his pre-fight PED testing regime by not agreeing to Pacquaio’s suggestion that any positive PED test be associated with a 5M penalty; when in fact Floyd’s actions effectively meant that any positive PED test would actually not be limited by a 5M penalty. • Pacquaio’s actions of wanting to limit any positive PED test to a 5M penalty; an extremely small percentage of his purse. • The false pre-fight claim related to how Floyd (supposedly) would not sign the contract and fight Pac because he was too scared; when in Snoop Doggy Dog Dog reality (Pacquaio knew that) no contract really existed. Furthermore, when such a contract was actually brought into existence - contrary to what we were repetitively told - Floyd was actually the one offering it to Pacquaio. • How Pac (not Floyd) is being sued by multiple entities for fraud associated with the MayPac fight. • How Pac fraudulently populated the NSAC form, looking for – only hours before the fight - an injection; that some specialists denied due to its PED like actions. • How Pac seemingly has not adhered to the proper/expected rehab principles in relation to his shoulder injury (which we are right to judge as) that forms Pac's MayPac fight-loss excuse. • How – even to date – no information exists that accurately defines the true origin/nature of Pacquaio’s shoulder injury and MayPac fight-loss excuse. • How Roach and Arum have almost completely confirmed that Pac was on the PEDjuice when he used catch-weights to previously destroy opponents and rise to fame. • How Pac – before Roach and Arum have almost completely confirmed that Pac was on the PEDjuice - sued Floyd for telling the truth about Pac being on PEDs. • The relationships between all the following; Pac, PEDs, his MayPac performance, the NSAC form, and the MayPac pre-fight PED testing phase.
Note: how many of these above points are far more accurate and far less popular than, not only accusing Floyd for being solely responsible for a “boring/ineffective” fight – but also castigating anyone whom dares raise them and the truth; curious. 8) Why it bothers some – whether they be PacFans that cant accept the loss to Floyd or not - to raise all the issues (such as those above/below mentioned) related to Pac, in response to Floyd's win being consistently and negatively discussed - including in terms that seem to be without validity; when the same amount of bother and un-comfortability is not (never?) associated with; • Not only the leading/instigating instances of when Floyd's win is being consistently and negatively discussed. • But also those (many) times when the extreme claims about Floyd are obviously “ran” from as soon as even the slightest suggestion of a request for clarification/substantiation seems to be on the horizon; revealing a (hypocritical?) preference for what it is that Floyd is ridiculed for – “hitting and/or running”. 9) Discover not just whether Floyd (or Pac) was supposedly "boring and ineffective", but how it was at all possible to be in such as state and still win if Pac himself was not responsible for some of the so called “boringness and ineffectiveness” that is currently only bestowed upon Floyd; including with claims that are “ran” from. 10) Whether the author Frank is correct when he claims that PacFans not only lie to themselves – but also need to accept the truth; that Pac lost. 11) If there is any truth to the claim that PacFans – particularly those whom ridicule others whom provide an accurate/alternative view to both, the common rubbishing of Floyd and also how only he (but, despite all the above, somehow not Pacquaio in any way) is meant to be solely responsible for what is called a “boring” fight – have shown a distinctively less willingness to substantiate their claims; than, say, those whom provide the above-mentioned accurate/alternative view in response to the common rubbishing of Floyd - that is, despite being harsh and extreme at times, largely delivered without any substantiation whatsoever. 12) If there is any truth to the claim that no matter what the minority - whom provide the above-mentioned accurate/alternative view to the common and unsubstantiated rubbishing of Floyd – write; it is still far less content than the cumulative unsubstantiated amount of negative and unsubstantiated views written about Floyd by PacFans; that, curiously, brings about the responses that are then selectively cried about - that in effect describes some PacFans as effectively being the author of their own misfortune. 13) Discover why point 12 is often overlooked, when point 11 seems to be supported by a historical view of all posted about MayPac; essentially describing a preference for complaining about the truth and either supporting, ignoring, and cheering (or all) about the opposite – particularly if it relates to misdirecting from Pacquaio’s antics, losses, and MayPac performance. So, in essence - and at the risk of depriving (some, not all) PacFans of a commonly loved pass-time and complaint set that thrives on lies and ambiguity - we could spend (comparably to what occurs now) a small amount of time going through each MayPac round and not only solve everyone's MayPac problems in one simple exercise – but also show how much of this (and others) post are inaccurate bulljive. From there we could see what the truth and untruth really Snoop Doggy Dog Dog was, and then settle anyone’s concerns about post content/length, bulljiving, “effectiveness”, and so forth. In response to the above point 4 (which coincidentally serves as an excellent example of point 11); I have already looked at the MayPac video/tape. Therefore, I would be happy to help and/or stand corrected on that and/or any other point I mentioned here. Who knows maybe some others (that complain) may like to also pitch in and convert their energy into something useful and truthful; to solve the issues they both complain of and (forget they) participate in – such as the same things being discussed (questionably or otherwise) time and time again. What about you Radam (want to put those solid gold archives that reveal “made up syet” to good use)? Or, anyone else? Anyone want to be a part of the solution/truth; as that’s what I am proposing here? Rather than the opposite and simply carping? Let’s find out the real truth about the MayPac fight; that, itself, seems to be a popular obsession discussing in differing, sometimes unproven, self justifying, and often unnecessarily carping terms that do nothing other than hate on Floyd and, of course, distract from the overlooked and factual issues related to Pacquaio. After all, it’s not like the MayPac fight is not of interest to many here, including those referred to above; so therefore it would hardly be considered hard work watching it (on the same video) and detailing (with time-stamps) both yours and the above-mentioned points of interest as you watch and have fun proving your points. The alternative, I guess, is to continue in the same vein, complaining, wallowing in ambiguity, running from claims, and using the truly accurate accounts that detail what really happened as a catalyst for complaints, rounding the PacTroops up, PacLoss comfort, and being more popular amongst those that can’t accept Pacquaio’s loss and real actions; quite as easily as they're prepared to accept unsubstantiated bias and hate about Floyd. Either way - whether people use their complaining/fabricating energy to solve the issue they complain of or whether they continue to hide behind and enjoy complaining facilitated by the ambiguity – the signs of what is happening are obvious and as such I and the truth always wins; so - even though the smart money says anything that resembles a solution, the truth, and accuracy will be rejected - I have no vested interest. It’s just interesting to see not only what those that complain and questionably complain do when presented to a solution to all they complain of – but also how similarly it is treated by them to the truth and what Floyd is rubbished for doing; “running”. 10 more things; A) Pacquaio managed to chase Chris Algieri (a fight providing far less motivation than MayPac) all night – but not chase Floyd; whom moved considerably less than Chris. Now - even aside from the above point 6 - I wonder why this was so? As, according to some reports that appear to come from Pacquaio’s team/promoter, Pacquaio’s shoulder was even more (freshly) injured when he fought Chris? B) If, after you/anyone pitches in and reviews the MayPac video, the truth is not pretty for Floyd (or Pac) it won’t bother me one bit; I welcome the truth in the same way as some subscribe to the opposite. C) There are currently more than 250 separate posts in this forum detailing questionable, extreme, and/or negative slights about Floyd and/or holding him solely accountable for the MayPac’s fight outcome (the authors of the posts can search common keywords they use for proof). This seems to be a commonly overlooked fact when complaining about the amount written in support of Floyd that may also highlight some of the above truths about Pacquaio; as does the fact that it is usually written and delivered in direct response to that questionably claimed/stated about Floyd and Pacquaio. D) The posts written in favor of Floyd by those that don’t share the questionable, extreme, and/or negative views about Floyd described in the 1st sentence of the above point “C” currently stand at far, far less than that number (250). This clearly reveals the substance associated with any PacFan or other person’s complaint about the content and/or amount of posts/responses (delivered in direct response to that which is questionably claimed/stated about Floyd and Pacquaio) that both provide a balanced view, and also address the questionable claims written, about MayPac, Floyd, and Pacquaio; as they are (even aside from issues of reliability and accuracy) cumulatively providing more of what they themselves are actually complaining about than those their complaints are curiously directed to. In effect - as above-mentioned in point 12 – this describes some PacFans as effectively being the author of their own misfortune; creating what they themselves love to (selectively) complain about. Additionally, this (even aside from point 11) also highlights the imbalance of MayPac views, as much as it justifies any alternative view presented by the minority, whom also happen to believe (and provide proof that) Pacquaio has a little more accountability than those that suggest Floyd is at fault may have us believe. E) This entire post took me no more than 15 mins to type (as a myself and a few friends quickly laughed our way through it during lunch). I type pretty quick and the length of time it may take anyone else to generate the same quality/quantity content therefore doesn’t apply and should not be imposed upon me and/or construed to mean I must have nothing else better to do; even if that is sometimes the truth due to my love of this sport. F) So, now – thanks to StormCentre - we have a simple solution and choice that also happens to serve as a little social experiment on how popular the truth is when compared to lies/complaining. We can continue to (expend more energy/effort, and) complain and profit from the un-truth, PacLies, and cultivated PacAmbiguity - or we can define and solve the real issue (with far, far less energy/effort) that currently seems to be popularly utilized to complain about in questionable terms. As, all that has to be done is for one or two (preferably PacFans) to raise their hand and review a MayPac video with me, and provide timestamps of what they claim and discover. A reasonably prominent trainer here in Sydney Australia has proposed a $1000 bet that – despite all the complaints and questionable claims and what they really mean, and despite how elegant the proposed YouTube MayPac video solution really is – absolutely no PacFan will do this because they (in similar proportions to how Pacquaio feels about; revealing the original shoulder MRI scans, speaking fact before the MayPac fight, and also stringent pre-fight PED tests) fear the truth that much. His words not mine. Hard to argue with him though, and as such I have (understandably) not taken him up on the bet. G) Either way, hopefully in the meantime (that is, whilst they choose not to come forward and be a part of the above-mentioned easy and simple YouTube MayPac video solution {to their own concerns}) those addicted to exaggerating, questionably complaining, and profiting from both the PacAmbiguity and (as Frank rightly puts it) "lies" associated with MayPac, will at least stop these carping and crying actions, look in the mirror, and ask themselves; "Why is such a simple and easy solution to what I am complaining about (a solution that not only poses no hard-work for me {as I often view/reference YouTube videos for other means that suit my purposes} - but one that is also related to a subject I am clearly passionate about {MayPac}) so unpopular to me, and does this mean I should stop/think before questionably complaining and/or making claims to which I don’t like the responses/truth to”? H) As suggested/mentioned in above points “E” and “F”; despite being easy and not serious for me; this - in terms beyond even the interesting above-mentioned social experiment and its predicable outcomes - is really almost as good fun, as it is revealing about what’s really going on. I) Whether you willingly and gullibly subscribe to all the PacLies, and think all the unanswered PacQuestions mean nothing, and see no pattern of PacDeception – or whether you see it for what it really is and can hear the swamp Donkey hee-hawing off into the distance as he gnaws at his clown hat; the StormCentre thinks you're all cool; no matter how much anyone "runs" from (like Floyd is said to, but Algieri really did) and rejects the truth, subscribes to it, and/or loves to questionably or otherwise complain – and no matter whether or not – due to all the above 13 points (especially 9 – 13, which amongst other things, means) - they're actually complaining about themselves. So . . . . In this boxing universe of ours where bravery, skill, maturity, experience, fearlessness, and the ability to back up what is said and done is often openly heralded and praised, and therefore seems to matter. Are there any takers? Anyone want to get to the bottom of the (real) issue(s) and truly stop all the carping, complaining, and oft “ran-from” questions and claims? Heck, I may even consider splitting the above-mentioned $1000 bet provided, both; • It still stands by the time someone decides to step up, rather than complain. • You openly undertake to accurately review the YouTube video in accordance with the criteria. I will count clinches and times when Pac was ineffective and/or (seemingly) conducting himself in a manner contrary to that claimed, and – of course – I will always provide the time-stamp proof to back up my discoveries. All you have to do is; • Prove your (and other Pacquaio, Floyd, and/or MayPac designated/related) complaints/claims. • Count the times when (Pacquaio and) Floyd "ran", “moved”, and/or was boring/ineffective. • List (but only if it pleases you) when Pac was in/effective. • Provide the time-stamp proof of the above. • Openly undertake to accurately review the YouTube video in accordance with the criteria. • The above should not be at all hard, as we are all familiar with them and both the vehement conviction and many numerous complaints they're associated with; which you get the chance to now prove that there is a basis for all the complaints and claims, including those related to the PacLossExcuse(s) and FloydClinch&RunExcuse. So . . . . is there anyone prepared to put far less energy than used to complain about MayPac in terms that rubbish Floyd and elevate Pacquaio - over the last 4 (or even 1 – or even 12 or 18 {take your pick}) months - into a real solution? One that solves what's commonly complained about whilst also possibly exposing the truth? Come on now. It’s popular to rubbish Floyd for not taking chances and risks, so please don’t subscribe to the same disease and “run”. Quick my fellow carping PacDefenders, boxing/bravery lovers, and FloydHaters. As, not only would I like to share half the spoils of $1000 with you. But I am also holding breath with confidence that someone will step right up to the plate on this matter/solution (with the same confidence/assurance as that shown when many FloydComplaints, PacLies, and other claims {that are, for some reason, strangely tolerated and promoted in vastly disproportionate amounts to both the above 13 points, and also the above-mentioned “A” – “I” considerations; particularly by those that are upset about Pacquaio’s loss to Floyd} have been released) and; • Solve their own personal dilemmas they are effectively complaining about; authors of their own misfortune. • Prove that 18 or so months of extremely harsh and hypocritical criticism – directed towards the guy that (was said to be utterly unable to) beat their favorite fighter (whom himself has an extremely questionable and “ran-from” history and MayPac performace) - has actually been justified. • Show that the author of this fine article (Frank) is wrong with his claims that PaFans lie and need to accept the loss to Floyd. After all, doing so, not “FloydRunning”, and “stepping up” involves nothing more than utilizing a commonly used, easy, and fun, YouTube mechanism - and, of course a little bit of teamwork, transparency, and honesty. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Maybe I have it wrong. But I recall you vouching for Brownsugar when he was adamant that Cuban Willie Rigo begged to spar with Da Manny. Rigo never made such a request as I clearly showed Rigo saying on YouTube that it never happened. Holla!
[QUOTE=Radam G;86959]I was dead wrong, SuperLight. It was not you, but Chris L always instigating with claims of being able to vouch for ____ ___s and the likes. I holla at the never-changing, never-bias TSS archives. They are as solid as a tablet of pure 999.999 gold. But the usual characters of chaos, trolling and bulljiving will be busted but continue to roll with make believe and made-up syet. Holla![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Radam G;86947]The GOAT did not run from the late, very good night Cleveland Williams. He used a fighting strategy of side to side and "turning and burning." And, of course, he was strolling and properly shoulder rolling. Money May ran straight back and clinched and illegally held and held. Lucky that he fought a southpaw with a damaged right shoulder. Money May was smart to run to the safety of the damaged shoulder. And even clinch, held and twisted it to cause more pain and damage. Don't forget that Money May knew about Da Manny's damaged shoulder a whole three weeks before the match, thanks to Money May's low-and-high tech spying in Da Manny's training camp. The interview is easy to find. I'm just sticking with the sighting of Money May's imaged great performance that is going down in history as a POS from a con man.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eYKJiu2HA. Holla![/QUOTE] -------------------------------------------------------------------
Achtung 1 - Long Post That May Contain Truthful & Accurate Pac & Floyd Facts.
Achtung 2; many paragraphs are numbered to assist.
Achtung 3; many paragraphs are separated to assist. Do not read this post if you love to; complain about posts/Floyd, ignore PacFacts and the truth, and enjoy the environment created by not addressing the root cause of complaints with the simple solution provided herein. ------------------------------------------------------------------- That was me MMMRG. I supported BS on that issue, and I stand by doing so. Furthermore, I actually think BS provided this forum with fairly good proof of his claims (that you were up in arms about because they - despite them being seemingly true - they didn't quite portray Pac in the light you want); in relation to Roach not wanting to put Pac in with Rigondeaux. Speaking of proof and those matters that are highlighted in post #2, and also your post #14 (by way of the clinches claim and YouTube links provided); given that you're dropping YouTube links to support your claims, and making both a fuss about bulljivers (house without mirrors?) and frequent reference to me - is there any chance you could please drop a YouTube link showing all Floyd's 122 clinches to support your previous (but curiously accepted without so much as half the concern for the truth) claims? As previously stated, I am prepared to share the work of going through the video and counting the clinches, and other points of interest in the MayPac fight. I was hoping this would be of interest to you, as I see you have - on numerous occasions (even) in just this thread (but also others) made references to bulljivers, and other terms that suggest un-truthfullness is important to you. So, rather than releasing tens and hundreds of posts on the same circular "Pac lost and was in a boring fight due to no fault of his own" subject I was thinking we could address many of the concerns some have about the truth, any lack of it, and any accurate portrayal of both phenomena (whether it be in long/short posts). In essence we could - by joining "forces", looking over a MayPac fight video together, detailing the points of interest (such as when Pac was said to have advised Roach he tore his shoulder in round 4), and publishing the Snoop Doggy Dog Dog (real/truthful) results; 1) Understand what is the Snoop Doggy Dog Dog actuality of the reality in relation to MayPac, and all associated claims and complaints. 2) Remove the need to complain about any posts (which itself could be cause for a complaint ) that discuss the truth or lack of it in relation to MayPac; with far less effort than continuing as is. 3) Find out why posts - whether they be long/short or authored by anyone, that discuss Pac in terms that are at least as proven (if not more) as those Floyd is negatively discussed in, regularly receive a different emotional reaction and response to (and are curiously tolerated more than) those that both, can (and are negative) and also can't be substantiated (and are routinely avoided) about Floyd. 4) Discover the true clinch count and how close it is to the claimed 122. 5) Discover how much Floyd "ran", and how much Pac was un/able to be effective. 6) Discover not just why - when Algieri "ran" from Pac all night, he received far, far less flack for it than Floyd's supposed execution of the same style - but also whether Pacquaio actually received far less flack for it because (regardless of the absence of meaningful PED testing protocols) he was able to be effective in that fight; which meant PacFans were then, comparably, prepared to overlook Chris’ “running” movement (which was much more than Floyd’s) because Pacquaio (somehow on this occasion) still caught him. 7) Discover whether the truth about MayPac and all the things Floyd was meant to both have, and not have, done in it, has any relation to the pattern related to Pacquaio, his actions, the truth, and the often overlooked/denied pattern created by; • All the false claims we were told by Roach, Pac and many others before the fight. • The false claim related to how Pac was going to knock Floyd out. • The false claim related to how Pac was meant to be 100% ready. • The false claim related to how Floyd was conflicting with himself and his pre-fight PED testing regime by not agreeing to Pacquaio’s suggestion that any positive PED test be associated with a 5M penalty; when in fact Floyd’s actions effectively meant that any positive PED test would actually not be limited by a 5M penalty. • Pacquaio’s actions of wanting to limit any positive PED test to a 5M penalty; an extremely small percentage of his purse. • The false pre-fight claim related to how Floyd (supposedly) would not sign the contract and fight Pac because he was too scared; when in Snoop Doggy Dog Dog reality (Pacquaio knew that) no contract really existed. Furthermore, when such a contract was actually brought into existence - contrary to what we were repetitively told - Floyd was actually the one offering it to Pacquaio. • How Pac (not Floyd) is being sued by multiple entities for fraud associated with the MayPac fight. • How Pac fraudulently populated the NSAC form, looking for – only hours before the fight - an injection; that some specialists denied due to its PED like actions. • How Pac seemingly has not adhered to the proper/expected rehab principles in relation to his shoulder injury (which we are right to judge as) that forms Pac's MayPac fight-loss excuse. • How – even to date – no information exists that accurately defines the true origin/nature of Pacquaio’s shoulder injury and MayPac fight-loss excuse. • How Roach and Arum have almost completely confirmed that Pac was on the PEDjuice when he used catch-weights to previously destroy opponents and rise to fame. • How Pac – before Roach and Arum have almost completely confirmed that Pac was on the PEDjuice - sued Floyd for telling the truth about Pac being on PEDs. • The relationships between all the following; Pac, PEDs, his MayPac performance, the NSAC form, and the MayPac pre-fight PED testing phase.
Note: how many of these above points are far more accurate and far less popular than, not only accusing Floyd for being solely responsible for a “boring/ineffective” fight – but also castigating anyone whom dares raise them and the truth; curious. 8) Why it bothers some – whether they be PacFans that cant accept the loss to Floyd or not - to raise all the issues (such as those above/below mentioned) related to Pac, in response to Floyd's win being consistently and negatively discussed - including in terms that seem to be without validity; when the same amount of bother and un-comfortability is not (never?) associated with; • Not only the leading/instigating instances of when Floyd's win is being consistently and negatively discussed. • But also those (many) times when the extreme claims about Floyd are obviously “ran” from as soon as even the slightest suggestion of a request for clarification/substantiation seems to be on the horizon; revealing a (hypocritical?) preference for what it is that Floyd is ridiculed for – “hitting and/or running”. 9) Discover not just whether Floyd (or Pac) was supposedly "boring and ineffective", but how it was at all possible to be in such as state and still win if Pac himself was not responsible for some of the so called “boringness and ineffectiveness” that is currently only bestowed upon Floyd; including with claims that are “ran” from. 10) Whether the author Frank is correct when he claims that PacFans not only lie to themselves – but also need to accept the truth; that Pac lost. 11) If there is any truth to the claim that PacFans – particularly those whom ridicule others whom provide an accurate/alternative view to both, the common rubbishing of Floyd and also how only he (but, despite all the above, somehow not Pacquaio in any way) is meant to be solely responsible for what is called a “boring” fight – have shown a distinctively less willingness to substantiate their claims; than, say, those whom provide the above-mentioned accurate/alternative view in response to the common rubbishing of Floyd - that is, despite being harsh and extreme at times, largely delivered without any substantiation whatsoever. 12) If there is any truth to the claim that no matter what the minority - whom provide the above-mentioned accurate/alternative view to the common and unsubstantiated rubbishing of Floyd – write; it is still far less content than the cumulative unsubstantiated amount of negative and unsubstantiated views written about Floyd by PacFans; that, curiously, brings about the responses that are then selectively cried about - that in effect describes some PacFans as effectively being the author of their own misfortune. 13) Discover why point 12 is often overlooked, when point 11 seems to be supported by a historical view of all posted about MayPac; essentially describing a preference for complaining about the truth and either supporting, ignoring, and cheering (or all) about the opposite – particularly if it relates to misdirecting from Pacquaio’s antics, losses, and MayPac performance. So, in essence - and at the risk of depriving (some, not all) PacFans of a commonly loved pass-time and complaint set that thrives on lies and ambiguity - we could spend (comparably to what occurs now) a small amount of time going through each MayPac round and not only solve everyone's MayPac problems in one simple exercise – but also show how much of this (and others) post are inaccurate bulljive. From there we could see what the truth and untruth really Snoop Doggy Dog Dog was, and then settle anyone’s concerns about post content/length, bulljiving, “effectiveness”, and so forth. In response to the above point 4 (which coincidentally serves as an excellent example of point 11); I have already looked at the MayPac video/tape. Therefore, I would be happy to help and/or stand corrected on that and/or any other point I mentioned here. Who knows maybe some others (that complain) may like to also pitch in and convert their energy into something useful and truthful; to solve the issues they both complain of and (forget they) participate in – such as the same things being discussed (questionably or otherwise) time and time again. What about you Radam (want to put those solid gold archives that reveal “made up syet” to good use)? Or, anyone else? Anyone want to be a part of the solution/truth; as that’s what I am proposing here? Rather than the opposite and simply carping? Let’s find out the real truth about the MayPac fight; that, itself, seems to be a popular obsession discussing in differing, sometimes unproven, self justifying, and often unnecessarily carping terms that do nothing other than hate on Floyd and, of course, distract from the overlooked and factual issues related to Pacquaio. After all, it’s not like the MayPac fight is not of interest to many here, including those referred to above; so therefore it would hardly be considered hard work watching it (on the same video) and detailing (with time-stamps) both yours and the above-mentioned points of interest as you watch and have fun proving your points. The alternative, I guess, is to continue in the same vein, complaining, wallowing in ambiguity, running from claims, and using the truly accurate accounts that detail what really happened as a catalyst for complaints, rounding the PacTroops up, PacLoss comfort, and being more popular amongst those that can’t accept Pacquaio’s loss and real actions; quite as easily as they're prepared to accept unsubstantiated bias and hate about Floyd. Either way - whether people use their complaining/fabricating energy to solve the issue they complain of or whether they continue to hide behind and enjoy complaining facilitated by the ambiguity – the signs of what is happening are obvious and as such I and the truth always wins; so - even though the smart money says anything that resembles a solution, the truth, and accuracy will be rejected - I have no vested interest. It’s just interesting to see not only what those that complain and questionably complain do when presented to a solution to all they complain of – but also how similarly it is treated by them to the truth and what Floyd is rubbished for doing; “running”. 10 more things; A) Pacquaio managed to chase Chris Algieri (a fight providing far less motivation than MayPac) all night – but not chase Floyd; whom moved considerably less than Chris. Now - even aside from the above point 6 - I wonder why this was so? As, according to some reports that appear to come from Pacquaio’s team/promoter, Pacquaio’s shoulder was even more (freshly) injured when he fought Chris? B) If, after you/anyone pitches in and reviews the MayPac video, the truth is not pretty for Floyd (or Pac) it won’t bother me one bit; I welcome the truth in the same way as some subscribe to the opposite. C) There are currently more than 250 separate posts in this forum detailing questionable, extreme, and/or negative slights about Floyd and/or holding him solely accountable for the MayPac’s fight outcome (the authors of the posts can search common keywords they use for proof). This seems to be a commonly overlooked fact when complaining about the amount written in support of Floyd that may also highlight some of the above truths about Pacquaio; as does the fact that it is usually written and delivered in direct response to that questionably claimed/stated about Floyd and Pacquaio. D) The posts written in favor of Floyd by those that don’t share the questionable, extreme, and/or negative views about Floyd described in the 1st sentence of the above point “C” currently stand at far, far less than that number (250). This clearly reveals the substance associated with any PacFan or other person’s complaint about the content and/or amount of posts/responses (delivered in direct response to that which is questionably claimed/stated about Floyd and Pacquaio) that both provide a balanced view, and also address the questionable claims written, about MayPac, Floyd, and Pacquaio; as they are (even aside from issues of reliability and accuracy) cumulatively providing more of what they themselves are actually complaining about than those their complaints are curiously directed to. In effect - as above-mentioned in point 12 – this describes some PacFans as effectively being the author of their own misfortune; creating what they themselves love to (selectively) complain about. Additionally, this (even aside from point 11) also highlights the imbalance of MayPac views, as much as it justifies any alternative view presented by the minority, whom also happen to believe (and provide proof that) Pacquaio has a little more accountability than those that suggest Floyd is at fault may have us believe. E) This entire post took me no more than 15 mins to type (as a myself and a few friends quickly laughed our way through it during lunch). I type pretty quick and the length of time it may take anyone else to generate the same quality/quantity content therefore doesn’t apply and should not be imposed upon me and/or construed to mean I must have nothing else better to do; even if that is sometimes the truth due to my love of this sport. F) So, now – thanks to StormCentre - we have a simple solution and choice that also happens to serve as a little social experiment on how popular the truth is when compared to lies/complaining. We can continue to (expend more energy/effort, and) complain and profit from the un-truth, PacLies, and cultivated PacAmbiguity - or we can define and solve the real issue (with far, far less energy/effort) that currently seems to be popularly utilized to complain about in questionable terms. As, all that has to be done is for one or two (preferably PacFans) to raise their hand and review a MayPac video with me, and provide timestamps of what they claim and discover. A reasonably prominent trainer here in Sydney Australia has proposed a $1000 bet that – despite all the complaints and questionable claims and what they really mean, and despite how elegant the proposed YouTube MayPac video solution really is – absolutely no PacFan will do this because they (in similar proportions to how Pacquaio feels about; revealing the original shoulder MRI scans, speaking fact before the MayPac fight, and also stringent pre-fight PED tests) fear the truth that much. His words not mine. Hard to argue with him though, and as such I have (understandably) not taken him up on the bet. G) Either way, hopefully in the meantime (that is, whilst they choose not to come forward and be a part of the above-mentioned easy and simple YouTube MayPac video solution {to their own concerns}) those addicted to exaggerating, questionably complaining, and profiting from both the PacAmbiguity and (as Frank rightly puts it) "lies" associated with MayPac, will at least stop these carping and crying actions, look in the mirror, and ask themselves; ""Why is such a simple and easy solution to what I am complaining about (a solution that not only poses no hard-work for me {as I often view/reference YouTube videos for other means that suit my purposes} - but one that is also related to a subject I am clearly passionate about {MayPac}) so unpopular to me, and does this mean I should stop/think before questionably complaining and/or making claims to which I don’t like the responses/truth to”?" H) As suggested/mentioned in above points “E” and “F”; despite being easy and not serious for me; this - in terms beyond even the interesting above-mentioned social experiment and its predicable outcomes - is really almost as good fun, as it is revealing about what’s really going on. I) Whether you willingly and gullibly subscribe to all the PacLies, and think all the unanswered PacQuestions mean nothing, and see no pattern of PacDeception – or whether you see it for what it really is and can hear the swamp Donkey hee-hawing off into the distance as he gnaws at his clown hat; the StormCentre thinks you're all cool; no matter how much anyone "runs" from (like Floyd is said to, but Algieri really did) and rejects the truth, subscribes to it, and/or loves to questionably or otherwise complain – and no matter whether or not – due to all the above 13 points (especially 9 – 13, which amongst other things, means) - they're actually complaining about themselves. So . . . . In this boxing universe of ours where bravery, skill, maturity, experience, fearlessness, and the ability to back up what is said and done is often openly heralded and praised, and therefore seems to matter. Are there any takers? Anyone want to get to the bottom of the (real) issue(s) and truly stop all the carping, complaining, and oft “ran-from” questions and claims? Heck, I may even consider splitting the above-mentioned $1000 bet provided, both; • It still stands by the time someone decides to step up, rather than complain. • You openly undertake to accurately review the YouTube video in accordance with the criteria. I will count clinches and times when Pac was ineffective and/or (seemingly) conducting himself in a manner contrary to that claimed, and – of course – I will always provide the time-stamp proof to back up my discoveries. All you have to do is; • Prove your (and other Pacquaio, Floyd, and/or MayPac designated/related) complaints/claims. • Count the times when (Pacquaio and) Floyd "ran", “moved”, and/or was boring/ineffective. • List (but only if it pleases you) when Pac was in/effective. • Provide the time-stamp proof of the above. • Openly undertake to accurately review the YouTube video in accordance with the criteria. • The above should not be at all hard, as we are all familiar with them and both the vehement conviction and many numerous complaints they're associated with; which you get the chance to now prove that there is a basis for all the complaints and claims, including those related to the PacLossExcuse(s) and FloydClinch&RunExcuse. So . . . . is there anyone prepared to put far less energy than used to complain about MayPac in terms that rubbish Floyd and elevate Pacquaio - over the last 4 (or even 1 – or even 12 or 18 {take your pick}) months - into a real solution? One that solves what's commonly complained about whilst also possibly exposing the truth? Come on now. It’s popular to rubbish Floyd for not taking chances and risks, so please don’t subscribe to the same disease and “run”. Quick my fellow carping PacDefenders, boxing/bravery lovers, and FloydHaters. As, not only would I like to share half the spoils of $1000 with you. But I am also holding breath with confidence that someone will step right up to the plate on this matter/solution (with the same confidence/assurance as that shown when many FloydComplaints, PacLies, and other claims {that are, for some reason, strangely tolerated and promoted in vastly disproportionate amounts to both the above 13 points, and also the above-mentioned “A” – “I” considerations; particularly by those that are upset about Pacquaio’s loss to Floyd} have been released) and; • Solve their own personal dilemmas they are effectively complaining about; authors of their own misfortune. • Prove that 18 or so months of extremely harsh and hypocritical criticism – directed towards the guy that (was said to be utterly unable to) beat their favorite fighter (whom himself has an extremely questionable and “ran-from” history and MayPac performace) - has actually been justified. • Show that the author of this fine article (Frank) is wrong with his claims that PaFans lie and need to accept the loss to Floyd. After all, doing so, not “FloydRunning”, and “stepping up” involves nothing more than utilizing a commonly used, easy, and fun, YouTube mechanism - and, of course a little bit of teamwork, transparency, and honesty. :) :) :)


-SouthPawFlo :

Manny Lost.. The End...


-Radam G :

Manny Lost.. The End...
Nice way to put it. Official action is official. But it doesn't stop bytching, analyzing, speaking and criticizing. Humans would not be humans if it did. After all, TSS Top-Gun Pugilistic Journalist F-Lo started it. Hehehe! Holla!


-Radam G :

HIS WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN LIES AND ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER...HES ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS Morales defeats Pacquiao by decision. : "He lost because he wasn't allowed to wear his gloves, he had itchy socks on!" he was weakened from a blood draw Bradley defeats Pacquiao by decision. : "Pacquiao was robbed!" Marquez knocks Pacquiao out cold in round 6. : "Pacquiao lost because Marquez was on peds, lucky punch, he stepped on my foot!" Mayweather beats Pacquiao by clear decision. : "Pacquiao was robbed, he had a shoulder injury, Floyd ran all night, if he stopped moving I could him more" the judges, biased commentators, al haymon, NSAC, couldnt get a needle numbing injection for my shoulder (signed off he had no injuries) Now he didnt even do any rehab or see a Doctor...just seawater? 3 months later hes 100% healed? ...SMH
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3DMHJ9A3pM
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-d2HoH_onw
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0JWH5LnJhM
Wow! Marquez/Hulkquez "WHOLE CAREER HAS BEEN LIES AND ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER...HE'S ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS. Dude claims to have been robbed each time he has lost -- even to Money May and Tim Bradley. What type of syet is dat? And dude claims injury after injury. What type of syet is dat? The thing is is that boxers fight with injuries all the time. One who does not know that, doesn't know syet 'bout da real real of da game. No darn body in it needs to fake. But those who are not in da game, nor know da game. They are just a bunch of keyboard cyberspace terrorists and guerrillas. Go find a Holy War on another site. Hehe! Holla!


-Radam G :

Only a person with a severe thought disorder will hold on to Bradley beating Da Manny in Bout I. Wow! Disturbance up in the neurons and in the body's main organs is at an all-time high in the USA. Y'all might wanna quit eating that bad-arse processed-arse food. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

It's crazy this fight is garnering such a debate months after it's all said and done.....


-Radam G :

It's crazy this fight is garnering such a debate months after it's all said and done.....
It is the people on that bad-arse food that want to set the agenda. Da Manny lost. Money May won. It makes no sense to bullsyet his victory over an injured pug as superman like. TBE suppose to beat a one-armed scrapper. Now go up and beat 3g. Holla!


-stormcentre :

It's crazy this fight is garnering such a debate months after it's all said and done.....
Yes it is. What's even more crazy (but unsurprising) is the sheer amount of unsubstantiated claims the debate has garnered. Which explains why the "debate" has not petered out naturally; as mostly that's due to the fact that the claims that were made, many of them simple can't be supported by fact and/or a quick cursory glance of the MayPac video. So to compensate (for never thinking anyone would question and ask for an explanation to all the extreme claims) there has been much more of the same mixed in with a mountain of emotion, and that has been used to pass off not only the misdirection and self-justification ruse - but also "running". Frank, the author of this piece got it right with his comments about lies and PacFans. As shown by how lonely the, panacea to all that was complained about and elegant solution is; review of the MayPac YouTube fight video and detail the time-stamps that support your complaints, claims, and actions. Can't have the truth now can we? Not after 18 months of crying, screaming, and "running" about the opposite. Ah well, at least it's both, a good social experiment that shows where the priorities are, and also a great predictable/laugh. Love it !!!!! Hee-Haw. :) :)


-stormcentre :

It's crazy this fight is garnering such a debate months after it's all said and done.....
Yes it is. What's even more crazy (but unsurprising) is the sheer amount of unsubstantiated claims the debate has garnered. Which explains why the "debate" has not petered out naturally; as mostly that's due to the fact that the claims that were made, many of them simple can't be supported by fact and/or a quick cursory glance of the MayPac video. So to compensate (for never thinking anyone would question and ask for an explanation to all the extreme claims) there has been much more of the same mixed in with a mountain of emotion, and that has been used to pass off not only the misdirection and self-justification ruse - but also "running". Frank, the author of this piece got it right with his comments about lies and PacFans. As shown by - not only how he was attacked in the first post (a common happening for anyone speaking the truth about Pac and/or PacFans) - but also by how lonely the, panacea to all that was complained about and elegant solution is; review of the MayPac YouTube fight video and detail the time-stamps that support your complaints, claims, and actions. Can't have the truth now can we? Not after 18 months of crying, screaming, and "running" about the opposite. Ah well, at least it's both, a good social experiment that shows where the priorities are, and also a great predictable/laugh. Love it !!!!! Hee-Haw. :) :)