David Lemieux Deserves Ample Credit NOW

It’s a sign of the times. And not a positive one, where we find ourselves congratulating boxers because they are stepping up, stepping to the line, agreeing to fight those above them on the ladder of life.

So it is with David Lemieux; he was in NYC on Tuesday, talking to press about his Oct. 17 clash against certified concussion provider Gennady Golovkin.

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When fans learned he took the fight, a funny thing happened: many “fans” told him he was foolish.

Wait awhile, you’re not ready, was their wisdom.

Yeah, weird…

Fans lobbying AGAINST a young gun accepting a challnege where he’s seen as an underdog, for sure…but where he’s getting paid high, high seven figures to see if he can beat a guy with a great rep, but one who hasn’t yet beaten any Hall of Fame caliber boxers.

I attribute partly to this being an intelligence age; fans are smarter than ever, because more inside information is now available. Fans are savvy, see sports from all angles, the sporting side AND the business side. I asked Lemieux if there were people close to him who were telling him to wait, not take this fight, wait a year or two.

“If I would have listened to everything everybody has said, I would never be where I am today. I listen to my heart, I listen to the people closest to me. And I listen to some very logical patterns we take and this was the thing to do now to be where we want to be,” he told me.

Makes sense…And yes, I don’t take it for granted the kid stepping up. This is an age where more and more boxers are businessmen first, athletes and warriors second. And I don’t decry that setup…this is a blood sport, I don’t blame those guys. But their legacy won’t maybe be what they think it might be when they hang up the mitts. True and lasting reverence is bestowed upon men, MEN, like Arturo Gatti, Evander Holyfield, men of that ilk who gladly snapped at every opportunity to take on the stiffest tests. These are the people who seperate themselves from the pack, because they do what us mortals fear to do. Challenge ourselves to the utmost, against the real possibility that we will fail, miserably. They know the glory is in the attempt, that they live one life and they want to soak up every bit of the good and bad and ugly life can offer them…they dare to be great, they risk mightily…and they deserve our respect for this, because that mindset is more of a rarity than it used to be. And if Lemieux “fails” Oct. 17, you won’t see me being in the “I told you so” camp. I won’t play the smart guy who he should have listened to. He’s following his heart, he’s being paid immensely well to take a risk and he’s doing what more of ’em used to do back in the day: trying to prove the naysayers wrong, and prove he’s the baddest man on the planet 160. Props to David Lemieux.

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COMMENTS

-stormcentre :

Look, it's good that Lemieux is stepping up and risking his version of the title. And, as I have stated before, Lemieux is what the sport needs more of; as there is too much running, ducking, avoiding, and excuses. But, after reading some of the hype going around that it almost always associated - just before it becomes live - with a 3G fight; seemingly as a means to get the masses overlooking the odds . . . . . I am sometimes left wondering if the facts are ever as important as hype? Sure it's good to sell a fight and be excited. But, since when did Lemieux become bestowed with the regal title of being an insurmountable force to be reckoned with and an unstoppable young middleweight pugilistic powerhouse; as we so often now read about him? I must have missed something. Yes he blew out Rosado. That was impressive, but only insofar as what Rosado really represented as an obstacle. Which - to be fair - wasn't much at the top level. Reading all the hype I sometimes feel like I missed out Lemieux's great ascension to middleweight incredible-ness? Yes, I know he has the IBF belt; more on that later. I mean - and I am not being derogatory to Lemieux here - and just keeping it SDDD real - not so long ago at one point Lemieux was the guy being banged out by Marco Antonio Rubio; a point everyone will (but we shouldn't just) surely refer to (only) when 3G wins his next fight. Lemieux also struggled with Joachim Alcine, and then he moved onto some less than stellar competition - competition that I have previously read as being referred to as "club fighters and stiffs"; although, personally, I don't quite agree with the height (or lack of it) associated with that (low level) description of Lemieux's pertinent opponents. After all that came a (paper?) title fight with Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam for the vacant IBF middleweight title. The IBF title became available via means that were themselves not entirely without question and/or suspicion. Somehow, somewhere, as Lemieux travelled along the path least trodden we started to hear of Lemieux as a monster. And, now, we hear of him as someone that deserves an advance of ample credit - right
now; before the result of his signature fight (with 3G) - that is itself actually designed to allow him the means to actually earn that (ample) credit. I wonder precisely where and why the media began covering Lemieux's exploits in such a different manner that he - all of a sudden - doesn't need to earn his ample credit, like all other fighters. I am not saying this to talk Lemieux down, but we have to keep it (at least a bit) Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real don't we? That is unless we want repeats of all the crying, excuses, emotional outpours, and uncontrollable bed wetting that happened with PayPac; when certain fighters let their frenzied fans down so much that all they could do after the fact was selectively interpret, and wish, dream, hope, and pretend that the reality of it all was the fiction they had all initially invested in; leading to the ""oh well let's now run the argument that Floyd was boring because that not only offsets all about Pac we swallowed, got wrong, and were misled about - but it will also be a popular line that, too, is accepted as willingly as that which we all initially swallowed"". Sometimes the truth is out there, but you have to want to find and see it. And why would you do that when not only doing so deprives of the ability to endlessly run excuses after the fact - but the media itself has very little interest in running a line that goes against the promotional grain of the sport? I wonder if the point where the media actually began covering Lemieux's exploits in such a benevolent and different manner was when he signed with Golden Girl Promotions? Prior to that point Lemieux's exploits seem to have been treated with hardly any difference to any other fighter that had achieved what he had; which was - whilst certainly not bad - probably not deserving of an ample credit advance. Especially not prior to any meaningful check of Lemieux's (fighting) credit history, and/or (boxing) debt to service ratio; which, in the very least, is the normal procedure for anyone looking for a healthy does of credit, whether or not it be before they have shown true worthiness. On the radio here in Australia (and in some other countries) the shock jocks must - by law - announce what is an advertisement and what is not. Yes they always work out ways to circumvent it, and sometimes they just plain ignore it; mostly because the dollars are worth it. This has come about due to corporate and executive organisations cleverly stitching together confidential deals with radio announcers that, in turn, influence them to positively promote their product(s) to an audience that trusts them with what they say, as if it were a qualified endorsement and/or comment. The reasons the audience trusts the announcers in this way are many and varied, but by no means is it a stretch of the imagination to say that they do because of how incisive and questioning the announcers "can be" with other matters/products - matters/products that may simply be either; A) Genuinely worthy of a less than stellar review by the announcers. B) Or something that the announcers just have no financial or other interest in; yet. The effect has been referred to as the subliminal advertising scandal that seemingly plagued TV years ago in its technological infancy. Boxing is not entirely immune to similar media related phenomena. Lemieux is a good solid fighter who deserves a shot a 3G, there's no doubt about that. And that alone is fairly good praise - because there are hundreds of other fighters out there that don't deserve a shot, and (even if they got it) would not make it past the 2nd round with 3G. I wonder if the point where the media actually began feeling as if they should describe Lemieux's successes and also amplify his potential in such a benevolent and different manner was not just when he signed with Oscar - but also when his PPV fight with Gennady Golovkin on HBO was announced? Personally, I think the Snoop Doggy Dog truth of the matter is that David Lemieux hasn’t so much elevated himself to the credit-history-check free boxing heights that we are now getting told - as much as he’s found himself the right promoter and platform. And along with finding the the right promoter and platform also comes HBO with a Golovkin based product to sell; with - particularly if you read some of the mainstream sports sections of certain news outlets - media manipulators trailing in the wake and telling us that Lemieux deserves to be considered on terms other than his (very good) history suggests. No obviously this is all just my rambling opinion, and whilst I don't always get it right, the facts are that I never run from what I say and accountability, and I rarely selectively address facts to suit; so rest assured I will be here to eat crow pie after 3G V Lemieux if I am wrong. But me thinks that - because Golovkin V Lemieux will be no different from most of the other Golovkin beat downs that HBO broadcast - the promotional and network interests need to convince the fans that there is a reason to suspend reality and think otherwise. So, in order to achieve this they turn (run?) to the media and that's how they get what they want written and of course the public whipped into a PPV buying frenzy. And, in some places, the media is usually quite interested in allowing itself to be played in this respect. Of course, in return the media get their perfunctory media buffets, free fight/press passes, and sometimes even a little promotional ego foreplay about their written product. And whilst this can sometimes be described as a rinse and repeat cycle, a common by-product of the entire whitewash cycle is that the fans are often played; sometimes even for dupes. For example, just look at the lead up to MayPac and all Roach and Pac said - knowing it would not only all be, without meaningful checking, readily swallowed and acted upon by fans, but also both factually forgotten and even vehemently defended even when it was eventually proved that for the most part they were just telling porky pies - to whip the PPV PacSoldiers in a frenzy, and of course sell the fight. The list is almost endless but here's just a few; contracts that Floyd allegedly didn't sign that were later found to be non-existent; all, at the time, willingly and mistakenly interpreted to mean Floyd was scared - the supposed rejection of a $5M positive PED testing financial limit that was (easily) spun (via missing information about how the real story and Floyd's actions actually presented a bigger penalty for any positive PED result) to gullible fans to, somehow, mean that Floyd didn't want any penalty; a conclusion that one can only arrive at both, if you want to and ignore all information and facts - KO's (authored by Pac) in the fight that never ever came - endless energy (authored by Pac) in the fight that never ever came - impending danger (authored by Pac) in the fight that never came - a readiness to fight (authored by Pac) that was apparently almost completely non-existent in the actual fight due to, as we are told (only) after the fight and in a sooky-bum post fight announcement made just before walking out, an undisclosed shoulder injury that, despite no-one being able to accurately prove or define it, is now somehow a poster boy for a SaltWater Jesus recovery/cure . . . And the list goes on, as there are at least 6 more laughable claims that caused PacHysteria that all not only turned out to be wrong - but left PacFans duped and with the only excuse they could muster that symbolised togetherness amongst all that were so easily misled . . . . . ""Floyd was boring"". It's almost the same as everyone in jail claiming they're innocent and they were framed. The PacHysteria and all the oft overlooked lawsuits he has aside that serve as an example to the above; the SDDD reality of it all is that similar things have been going on in boxing on, at least, a quarterly basis. And 3G, his handlers and also Golden Boy are not exempt from them either. So, neither is Lemieux. I am not writing this just to point out the features of media manipulation, duped fans, or even to attack Golovkin V Lemieux or any of the promotional and/or network entities they're associated with. As that is just the way things are. As almost everybody boxing, in some way, shape, or form, is guilty of being associated with media manipulation - just as the media, in reciprocation, is often a willing partner, and as such sometimes it too is downright guilty of being willingly gullible, occasionally lazy, and sometimes dim-witted. The reason for this and being happy to sell someone else’s product, is that doing so often translates into more clicks for them and their websites. Now I am not entirely sure whether this applies to TSS website and that's one reason I love it; but in my experience many boxing writers and websites are usually selling something on behalf of some promoter, publicist, advertiser or fight/career related interest. Mostly though, and despite there being plenty of shill to go around, usually there’s not necessarily an obvious predominance and willingness associated with it. Fortunately or unfortunately, with the way things are now - in order to stay in business - this is just what the fight game and associated fraternities have evolved into and become. And so too, this is why many of the hard and uncomfortable truths and questions - whether they be about SaltWater Jesus Pac, the facial vampire doping Floyd, Lemieux, 3G, or anyone else - don't get meaningfully addressed. As to do may mean committing career suicide for most non-independent boxing writers. So, if I am not writing this to only point out the features of media manipulation, duped fans, or to attack Golovkin V Lemieux or any of the promotional and/or network entities they're associated with; why else am I doing it? So fans - but only those that want to - can see the pattern, learn, and also understand how to distinguish from being easily marketed to and duped to the point where they sometimes end up heavily subscribing in a religious like belief that actually has no God or salvation and not only fools them into ignoring facts - but also, once the facts are no longer concealed, often becomes so humiliating that they must describe and defend their religious decisions in endless circular and selective terms; almost as if it were justification for a middle Eastern war because God told them so and is on their side. Of course if one enjoys being easily advertised to and/or misled (and they do exist) then there is no need to consider what, if any, wisdom the above paragraphs may hold. David Lemieux - who is a good top-level middleweight prospect that holds the IBF strap - currently has all the credit that he deserves right now. He's a great guy who has restored his career and done a really good job in his last few fights, whose also prepared to risk his IBF belt straight away after winning it; for what will probably be a career high payday - even though it may also be not really a great payday (typical for 3G opponents) in terms of world championship and/or middleweight bouts By traditional boxing standards and also those that other fighters (including 3G) are regularly held to, Lemieux - unless he beats Golovkin - doesn't deserve anymore credit. That's unless we don't want to keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real, and we all know that we do. :) Let's see if Lemieux beats Golovkin first, and/or how he looks achieving whatever it is that his fate is going to be when they meet. My money is on 3G winning this and then some reports referring to Lemieux's (fight-credit) history in perhaps more plain and accurate terms. That said, I really like Lemieux and think he represents the Canadian boxing spirit quite well. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Look, it's good that Lemieux is stepping up and risking his version of the title. And, as I have stated before, Lemieux is what the sport needs more of; as there is too much running, ducking, avoiding, and excuses. But, after reading some of the hype going around that it almost always associated - just before it becomes live - with a 3G fight; seemingly as a means to get the masses overlooking the odds . . . . . I am sometimes left wondering if the facts are ever as important as hype? Sure it's good to sell a fight and be excited. But, since when did Lemieux become bestowed with the regal title of being an insurmountable force to be reckoned with and an unstoppable young middleweight pugilistic powerhouse; as we so often now read about him? I must have missed something. Yes he blew out Rosado. That was impressive, but only insofar as what Rosado really represented as an obstacle. Which - to be fair - wasn't much at the top level. Reading all the hype I sometimes feel like I missed out Lemieux's great ascension to middleweight incredible-ness? Yes, I know he has the IBF belt; more on that later. I mean - and I am not being derogatory to Lemieux here - and just keeping it SDDD real - not so long ago at one point Lemieux was the guy being banged out by Marco Antonio Rubio; a point everyone will (but we shouldn't just) surely refer to (only) when 3G wins his next fight. Lemieux also struggled with Joachim Alcine, and then he moved onto some less than stellar competition - competition that I have previously read as being referred to as "club fighters and stiffs"; although, personally, I don't quite agree with the height (or lack of it) associated with that (low level) description of Lemieux's pertinent opponents. After all that came a (paper?) title fight with Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam for the vacant IBF middleweight title. The IBF title became available via means that were themselves not entirely without question and/or suspicion. Somehow, somewhere, as Lemieux travelled along the path least trodden we started to hear of Lemieux as a monster. And, now, we hear of him as someone that deserves an advance of ample credit - right
now; before the result of his signature fight (with 3G) - that is itself actually designed to allow him the means to actually earn that (ample) credit. I wonder precisely where and why the media began covering Lemieux's exploits in such a different manner that he - all of a sudden - doesn't need to earn his ample credit, like all other fighters. I am not saying this to talk Lemieux down, but we have to keep it (at least a bit) Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real don't we? That is unless we want repeats of all the crying, excuses, emotional outpours, and uncontrollable bed wetting that happened with PayPac; when certain fighters let their frenzied fans down so much that all they could do after the fact was selectively interpret, and wish, dream, hope, and pretend that the reality of it all was the fiction they had all initially invested in; leading to the ""oh well let's now run the argument that Floyd was boring because that not only offsets all about Pac we swallowed, got wrong, and were misled about - but it will also be a popular line that, too, is accepted as willingly as that which we all initially swallowed"". Sometimes the truth is out there, but you have to want to find and see it. And why would you do that when not only doing so deprives of the ability to endlessly run excuses after the fact - but the media itself has very little interest in running a line that goes against the promotional grain of the sport? I wonder if the point where the media actually began covering Lemieux's exploits in such a benevolent and different manner was when he signed with Golden Girl Promotions? Prior to that point Lemieux's exploits seem to have been treated with hardly any difference to any other fighter that had achieved what he had; which was - whilst certainly not bad - probably not deserving of an ample credit advance. Especially not prior to any meaningful check of Lemieux's (fighting) credit history, and/or (boxing) debt to service ratio; which, in the very least, is the normal procedure for anyone looking for a healthy does of credit, whether or not it be before they have shown true worthiness. On the radio here in Australia (and in some other countries) the shock jocks must - by law - announce what is an advertisement and what is not. Yes they always work out ways to circumvent it, and sometimes they just plain ignore it; mostly because the dollars are worth it. This has come about due to corporate and executive organisations cleverly stitching together confidential deals with radio announcers that, in turn, influence them to positively promote their product(s) to an audience that trusts them with what they say, as if it were a qualified endorsement and/or comment. The reasons the audience trusts the announcers in this way are many and varied, but by no means is it a stretch of the imagination to say that they do because of how incisive and questioning the announcers "can be" with other matters/products - matters/products that may simply be either; A) Genuinely worthy of a less than stellar review by the announcers. B) Or something that the announcers just have no financial or other interest in; yet. The effect has been referred to as the subliminal advertising scandal that seemingly plagued TV years ago in its technological infancy. Boxing is not entirely immune to similar media related phenomena. Lemieux is a good solid fighter who deserves a shot a 3G, there's no doubt about that. And that alone is fairly good praise - because there are hundreds of other fighters out there that don't deserve a shot, and (even if they got it) would not make it past the 2nd round with 3G. I wonder if the point where the media actually began feeling as if they should describe Lemieux's successes and also amplify his potential in such a benevolent and different manner was not just when he signed with Oscar - but also when his PPV fight with Gennady Golovkin on HBO was announced? Personally, I think the Snoop Doggy Dog truth of the matter is that David Lemieux hasn’t so much elevated himself to the credit-history-check free boxing heights that we are now getting told - as much as he’s found himself the right promoter and platform. And along with finding the the right promoter and platform also comes HBO with a Golovkin based product to sell; with - particularly if you read some of the mainstream sports sections of certain news outlets - media manipulators trailing in the wake and telling us that Lemieux deserves to be considered on terms other than his (very good) history suggests. Now obviously this is all just my rambling opinion, and whilst I don't always get it right, the facts are that I never run from what I say and accountability, and I rarely selectively address facts to suit; so rest assured I will be here to eat crow pie after 3G V Lemieux if I am wrong. But me thinks that - because Golovkin V Lemieux will be no different from most of the other Golovkin beat downs that HBO broadcast - the promotional and network interests need to convince the fans that there is a reason to suspend reality and think otherwise. So, in order to achieve this they turn (run?) to the media and that's how they get what they want written and of course the public whipped into a PPV buying frenzy. And, in some places, the media is usually quite interested in allowing itself to be played in this respect. Of course, in return the media get their perfunctory media buffets, free fight/press passes, and sometimes even a little promotional ego foreplay about their written product. And whilst this can sometimes be described as a rinse and repeat cycle, a common by-product of the entire whitewash cycle is that the fans are often played; sometimes even for dupes. For example, just look at the lead up to MayPac and all Roach and Pac said - knowing it would not only all be, without meaningful checking, readily swallowed and acted upon by fans, but also both factually forgotten and even vehemently defended even when it was eventually proved that for the most part they were just telling porky pies - to whip the PPV PacSoldiers in a frenzy, and of course sell the fight. The list is almost endless but here's just a few; contracts that Floyd allegedly didn't sign that were later found to be non-existent; all, at the time, willingly and mistakenly interpreted to mean Floyd was scared - the supposed rejection of a $5M positive PED testing financial limit that was (easily) spun (via missing information about how the real story and Floyd's actions actually presented a bigger penalty for any positive PED result) to gullible fans to, somehow, mean that Floyd didn't want any penalty; a conclusion that one can only arrive at both, if you want to and ignore all information and facts - KO's (authored by Pac) in the fight that never ever came - endless energy (authored by Pac) in the fight that never ever came - impending danger (authored by Pac) in the fight that never came - a readiness to fight (authored by Pac) that was apparently almost completely non-existent in the actual fight due to, as we are told (only) after the fight and in a sooky-bum post fight announcement made just before walking out, an undisclosed shoulder injury that, despite no-one being able to accurately prove or define it, is now somehow a poster boy for a SaltWater Jesus recovery/cure . . . And the list goes on, as there are at least 6 more laughable claims that caused PacHysteria that all not only turned out to be wrong - but left PacFans duped and with the only excuse they could muster that symbolised togetherness amongst all that were so easily misled . . . . . ""Floyd was boring"". It's almost the same as everyone in jail claiming they're innocent and they were framed. The PacHysteria and all the oft overlooked lawsuits he has aside that serve as an example to the above; the SDDD reality of it all is that similar things have been going on in boxing on, at least, a quarterly basis. And 3G, his handlers and also Golden Boy are not exempt from them either. So, neither is Lemieux. I am not writing this just to point out the features of media manipulation, duped fans, or even to attack Golovkin V Lemieux or any of the promotional and/or network entities they're associated with. As that is just the way things are. As almost everybody boxing, in some way, shape, or form, is guilty of being associated with media manipulation - just as the media, in reciprocation, is often a willing partner, and as such sometimes it too is downright guilty of being willingly gullible, occasionally lazy, and sometimes dim-witted. The reason for this and being happy to sell someone else’s product, is that doing so often translates into more clicks for them and their websites. Now I am not entirely sure whether this applies to TSS website and that's one reason I love it; but in my experience many boxing writers and websites are usually selling something on behalf of some promoter, publicist, advertiser or fight/career related interest. Mostly though, and despite there being plenty of shill to go around, usually there’s not necessarily an obvious predominance and willingness associated with it. Fortunately or unfortunately, with the way things are now - in order to stay in business - this is just what the fight game and associated fraternities have evolved into and become. And so too, this is why many of the hard and uncomfortable truths and questions - whether they be about SaltWater Jesus Pac, the facial vampire doping Floyd, Lemieux, 3G, or anyone else - don't get meaningfully addressed. As to do may mean committing career suicide for most non-independent boxing writers. So, if I am not writing this to only point out the features of media manipulation, duped fans, or to attack Golovkin V Lemieux or any of the promotional and/or network entities they're associated with; why else am I doing it? So fans - but only those that want to - can see the pattern, learn, and also understand how to distinguish from being easily marketed to and duped to the point where they sometimes end up heavily subscribing in a religious like belief that actually has no God or salvation and not only fools them into ignoring facts - but also, once the facts are no longer concealed, often becomes so humiliating that they must describe and defend their religious decisions in endless circular and selective terms; almost as if it were justification for a middle Eastern war because God told them so and is on their side. Of course if one enjoys being easily advertised to and/or misled (and they do exist) then there is no need to consider what, if any, wisdom the above paragraphs may hold. David Lemieux - who is a good top-level middleweight prospect that holds the IBF strap - currently has all the credit that he deserves right now. He's a great guy who has restored his career and done a really good job in his last few fights, whose also prepared to risk his IBF belt straight away after winning it; for what will probably be a career high payday - even though it may also be not really a great payday (typical for 3G opponents) in terms of world championship and/or middleweight bouts By traditional boxing standards and also those that other fighters (including 3G) are regularly held to, Lemieux - unless he beats Golovkin - doesn't deserve anymore credit. That's unless we don't want to keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real, and we all know that we do. :) Let's see if Lemieux beats Golovkin first, and/or how he looks achieving whatever it is that his fate is going to be when they meet. My money is on 3G winning this and then some reports referring to Lemieux's (fight-credit) history in perhaps more plain and accurate terms. That said, I really like Lemieux and think he represents the Canadian boxing spirit quite well. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Look, it's good that Lemieux is stepping up and risking his version of the title. And, as I have stated before, Lemieux is what the sport needs more of; as there is too much running, ducking, avoiding, and excuses. But, after reading some of the hype going around that it almost always associated - just before it becomes live - with a 3G fight; seemingly as a means to get the masses overlooking the odds . . . . . I am sometimes left wondering if the facts are ever as important as hype? Sure it's good to sell a fight and be excited. But, since when did Lemieux become bestowed with the regal title of being an insurmountable force to be reckoned with and an unstoppable young middleweight pugilistic powerhouse; as we so often now read about him? I must have missed something. Yes he blew out Rosado. That was impressive, but only insofar as what Rosado really represented as an obstacle. Which - to be fair - wasn't much at the top level. Reading all the hype I sometimes feel like I missed out Lemieux's great ascension to middleweight incredible-ness? Yes, I know he has the IBF belt; more on that later. I mean - and I am not being derogatory to Lemieux here - and just keeping it SDDD real - not so long ago at one point Lemieux was the guy being banged out by Marco Antonio Rubio; a point everyone will (but we shouldn't just) surely refer to (only) when 3G wins his next fight. Lemieux also struggled with Joachim Alcine, and then he moved onto some less than stellar competition - competition that I have previously read as being referred to as "club fighters and stiffs"; although, personally, I don't quite agree with the height (or lack of it) associated with that (low level) description of Lemieux's pertinent opponents. After all that came a (paper?) title fight with Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam for the vacant IBF middleweight title. The IBF title became available via means that were themselves not entirely without question and/or suspicion. Somehow, somewhere, as Lemieux travelled along the path least trodden we started to hear of Lemieux as a monster. And, now, we hear of him as someone that deserves an advance of ample credit - right
now; before the result of his signature fight (with 3G) - that is itself actually designed to allow him the means to actually earn that (ample) credit. I wonder precisely where and why the media began covering Lemieux's exploits in such a different manner that he - all of a sudden - doesn't need to earn his ample credit, like all other fighters. I am not saying this to talk Lemieux down, but we have to keep it (at least a bit) Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real don't we? That is unless we want repeats of all the crying, excuses, emotional outpours, and uncontrollable bed wetting that happened with PayPac; when certain fighters let their frenzied fans down so much that all they could do after the fact was selectively interpret, and wish, dream, hope, and pretend that the reality of it all was the fiction they had all initially invested in; leading to the ""oh well let's now run the argument that Floyd was boring because that not only offsets all about Pac we swallowed, got wrong, and were misled about - but it will also be a popular line that, too, is accepted as willingly as that which we all initially swallowed"". Sometimes the truth is out there, but you have to want to find and see it. And why would you do that when not only doing so deprives of the ability to endlessly run excuses after the fact - but the media itself has very little interest in running a line that goes against the promotional grain of the sport? I wonder if the point where the media actually began covering Lemieux's exploits in such a benevolent and different manner was when he signed with Golden Girl Promotions? Prior to that point Lemieux's exploits seem to have been treated with hardly any difference to any other fighter that had achieved what he had; which was - whilst certainly not bad - probably not deserving of an ample credit advance. Especially not prior to any meaningful check of Lemieux's (fighting) credit history, and/or (boxing) debt to service ratio; which, in the very least, is the normal procedure for anyone looking for a healthy does of credit, whether or not it be before they have shown true worthiness. On the radio here in Australia (and in some other countries) the shock jocks must - by law - announce what is an advertisement and what is not. Yes they always work out ways to circumvent it, and sometimes they just plain ignore it; mostly because the dollars are worth it. This has come about due to corporate and executive organisations cleverly stitching together confidential deals with radio announcers that, in turn, influence them to positively promote their product(s) to an audience that trusts them with what they say, as if it were a qualified endorsement and/or comment. The reasons the audience trusts the announcers in this way are many and varied, but by no means is it a stretch of the imagination to say that they do because of how incisive and questioning the announcers "can be" with other matters/products - matters/products that may simply be either; A) Genuinely worthy of a less than stellar review by the announcers. B) Or something that the announcers just have no financial or other interest in; yet. The effect has been referred to as the subliminal advertising scandal that seemingly plagued TV years ago in its technological infancy. Boxing is not entirely immune to similar media related phenomena. Lemieux is a good solid fighter who deserves a shot a 3G, there's no doubt about that. And that alone is fairly good praise - because there are hundreds of other fighters out there that don't deserve a shot, and (even if they got it) would not make it past the 2nd round with 3G. I wonder if the point where the media actually began feeling as if they should describe Lemieux's successes and also amplify his potential in such a benevolent and different manner was not just when he signed with Oscar - but also when his PPV fight with Gennady Golovkin on HBO was announced? Personally, I think the Snoop Doggy Dog truth of the matter is that David Lemieux hasn’t so much elevated himself to the credit-history-check free boxing heights that we are now getting told - as much as he’s found himself the right promoter and platform. And along with finding the the right promoter and platform also comes HBO with a Golovkin based product to sell; with - particularly if you read some of the mainstream sports sections of certain news outlets - media manipulators trailing in the wake and telling us that Lemieux deserves to be considered on terms other than his (very good) history suggests. Now obviously this is all just my rambling opinion, and whilst I don't always get it right, the facts are that I never run from what I say and accountability, and I rarely selectively address facts to suit; so rest assured I will be here to eat crow pie after 3G V Lemieux if I am wrong. But me thinks that - because Golovkin V Lemieux will be no different from most of the other Golovkin beat downs that HBO broadcast - the promotional and network interests need to convince the fans that there is a reason to suspend reality and think otherwise. So, in order to achieve this they turn (run?) to the media and that's how they get what they want written and of course the public whipped into a PPV buying frenzy. And, in some places, the media is usually quite interested in allowing itself to be played in this respect. Of course, in return the media get their perfunctory media buffets, free fight/press passes, and sometimes even a little promotional ego foreplay about their written product. And whilst this can sometimes be described as a rinse and repeat cycle, a common by-product of the entire whitewash cycle is that the fans are often played; sometimes even for dupes. For example, just look at the lead up to MayPac and all Roach and Pac said - knowing it would not only all be, without meaningful checking, readily swallowed and acted upon by fans, but also both factually forgotten and even vehemently defended even when it was eventually proved that for the most part they were just telling porky pies - to whip the PPV PacSoldiers in a frenzy, and of course sell the fight. The list is almost endless but here's just a few; contracts that Floyd allegedly didn't sign that were later found to be non-existent; all, at the time, willingly and mistakenly interpreted to mean Floyd was scared - the supposed rejection of a $5M positive PED testing financial limit that was (easily) spun (via missing information about how the real story and Floyd's actions actually presented a bigger penalty for any positive PED result) to gullible fans to, somehow, mean that Floyd didn't want any penalty; a conclusion that one can only arrive at both, if you want to and ignore all information and facts - KO's (authored by Pac) in the fight that never ever came - endless energy (authored by Pac) in the fight that never ever came - impending danger (authored by Pac) in the fight that never came - a readiness to fight (authored by Pac) that was apparently almost completely non-existent in the actual fight due to, as we are told (only) after the fight and in a sooky-bum post fight announcement made just before walking out, an undisclosed shoulder injury that, despite no-one being able to accurately prove or define it, is now somehow a poster boy for a SaltWater Jesus recovery/cure . . . And the list goes on, as there are at least 6 more laughable claims that caused PacHysteria that all not only turned out to be wrong - but left PacFans duped and with the only excuse they could muster that symbolised togetherness amongst all that were so easily misled . . . . . ""Floyd was boring"". It's almost the same as everyone in jail claiming they're innocent and they were framed. The PacHysteria and all the oft overlooked lawsuits he has aside that serve as an example to the above; the SDDD reality of it all is that similar things have been going on in boxing on, at least, a quarterly basis. And 3G, his handlers and also Golden Boy are not exempt from them either. So, neither is Lemieux. I am not writing this just to point out the features of media manipulation, duped fans, or even to attack Golovkin V Lemieux or any of the promotional and/or network entities they're associated with. As that is just the way things are. As almost everybody boxing, in some way, shape, or form, is guilty of being associated with media manipulation - just as the media, in reciprocation, is often a willing partner, and as such sometimes it too is downright guilty of being willingly gullible, occasionally lazy, and sometimes dim-witted. The reason for this and being happy to sell someone else’s product, is that doing so often translates into more clicks for them and their websites. Now I am not entirely sure whether this applies to TSS website and that's one reason I love it; but in my experience many boxing writers and websites are usually selling something on behalf of some promoter, publicist, advertiser or fight/career related interest. Mostly though, and despite there being plenty of shill to go around, usually there’s not necessarily an obvious predominance and willingness associated with it. Fortunately or unfortunately, with the way things are now - in order to stay in business - this is just what the fight game and associated fraternities have evolved into and become. And so too, this is why many of the hard and uncomfortable truths and questions - whether they be about SaltWater Jesus Pac, the facial vampire doping Floyd, Lemieux, 3G, or anyone else - don't get meaningfully addressed. As to do so may mean committing career suicide for most non-independent boxing writers. So, if I am not writing this to only point out the features of media manipulation, duped fans, or to attack Golovkin V Lemieux or any of the promotional and/or network entities they're associated with; why else am I doing it? So fans - but only those that want to - can see the pattern, learn, and also understand how to distinguish from being easily marketed to and duped to the point where they sometimes end up heavily subscribing in a religious like belief that actually has no God or salvation and not only fools them into ignoring facts - but also, once the facts are no longer concealed, often becomes so humiliating that they must describe and defend their religious decisions in endless circular and selective terms; almost as if it were justification for a middle Eastern war because God told them so and is on their side. Of course if one enjoys being easily advertised to and/or misled (and they do exist) then there is no need to consider what, if any, wisdom the above paragraphs may hold. David Lemieux - who is a good top-level middleweight prospect that holds the IBF strap - currently has all the credit that he deserves right now. He's a great guy who has restored his career and done a really good job in his last few fights, whose also prepared to risk his IBF belt straight away after winning it; for what will probably be a career high payday - even though it may also be not really a great payday (typical for 3G opponents) in terms of world championship and/or middleweight bouts By traditional boxing standards and also those that other fighters (including 3G) are regularly held to, Lemieux - unless he beats Golovkin - doesn't deserve anymore credit. That's unless we don't want to keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real, and we all know that we do. :) Let's see if Lemieux beats Golovkin first, and/or how he looks achieving whatever it is that his fate is going to be when they meet. My money is on 3G winning this and then some reports referring to Lemieux's (fight-credit) history in perhaps more plain and accurate terms. That said, I really like Lemieux and think he represents the Canadian boxing spirit quite well. :) :)


-amayseng :

Mad props to DL for taking the GGG challenge. Even if DL gets ko'd in 9 seconds he has my respect I give the kid a chance to put on a good show, he has killing power in both hands that can change the course of a fight in one shot. No fight is a gimme especially with two killers in there.


-Domenic :

Mad props to DL for taking the GGG challenge. Even if DL gets ko'd in 9 seconds he has my respect I give the kid a chance to put on a good show, he has killing power in both hands that can change the course of a fight in one shot. No fight is a gimme especially with two killers in there.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'm a fan of Lemieux now, 100%. He could've easily opted for an easier opponent, then another, and maybe another, then gone to Golovkin. But he's testing his athletic mettle right now. Quillin and Cotto and everyone else who quivers/loses control of his bowels at the mere mention of Golovkin have been put to shame. Do I think he'll win? No. But hey, if he pulls it off, he hits the lotto big league by beating the most feared guy P4P in boxing, and there ain't a close second. Kudos to David Lemieux.


-amayseng :

I agree wholeheartedly. I'm a fan of Lemieux now, 100%. He could've easily opted for an easier opponent, then another, and maybe another, then gone to Golovkin. But he's testing his athletic mettle right now. Quillin and Cotto and everyone else who quivers/loses control of his bowels at the mere mention of Golovkin have been put to shame. Do I think he'll win? No. But hey, if he pulls it off, he hits the lotto big league by beating the most feared guy P4P in boxing, and there ain't a close second. Kudos to David Lemieux.
Agreed, he could have tried to get a few pay days with easy fights but instead he stepped up to fight the most feared fighter today, good for him. He forever has my support. Win , lose or draw or devastating knock out he will get a good follow up fight for his efforts.


-DaveB :

DL is gonna get his a$$ tore up by yeah I do respect him.


-stormcentre :

:)