Why Pay To See It When You Know Berto Has No Shot, None

Let me see if I have this right, to which I’m confident that I do. Fighter A is taller, with a longer arm reach than fighter B. He’s also a more accurate puncher with single shots and combinations. Add to that he is the bigger puncher with both hands and he’s faster from point A to point B and in putting shots together in multiples. Fighter A has never been stopped and fighter B was stopped once by an opponent who entered the bout with a 27-8-3 record. Fighter A is a master technician and is perhaps the most adaptable fighter of his era, stylistically.

On the other hand Fighter B seems to be in search of his natural style and wings it fight to fight. As for common opponents, Fighter A jogged to victory against Victor Ortiz and Robert Guerrero, who happen to be two of the three fighters who have defeated Fighter B. When it comes to performing on the biggest stage in professional boxing, Fighter A is the king and has never tasted defeat, whereas Fighter B is about to participate in his first rodeo. Fighter A will enter the bout coming off the signature fight of his career.

No, it wasn’t his most impressive showing and he’s not quite the fighter he once was, but it’s safe to say he can roll out of bed any day of the week and will always be two classes above his next opponent. Fighter B is just two bouts removed from being stopped for the first time in his career and is 3-3 in his last six bouts.

If you haven’t guessed by now – I’m referring to the upcoming bout between boxing’s biggest star, Floyd Mayweather 48-0 (26) and former WBC welterweight title holder Andre Berto 30-3 (23). This is a fight in which Mayweather will be risking, if you want to call it that, his WBC welterweight title and his WBA super welterweight title.

The last time Mayweather fought it cost boxing fans an average of $100.00 to see him fight Manny Pacquiao, who was 3-2 in his five previous bouts, on PPV. And as Mayweather has admitted, it’s was so expensive to see the fight because the media over hyped and sold it.

Thank you, Floyd; you have never spoken more true words during the 38 years you’ve existed on this clay and granite planet.

However, as a fan even if you were snowed by the hype and build up for Mayweather-Pacquiao, you could at least hang your hat on the fact that Pacquiao was the harder puncher and had an unorthodox fighting style which gave him a realistic shot to score the upset. I never doubted for a single second that Floyd would control the fight and owned the style match up, but at least Manny had a weapon in his arsenal, his southpaw power, that gave him a chance. Sadly, there isn’t one thing you can latch onto in the hope that Berto can get lucky and by fluke prevent Mayweather from equaling Rocky Marciano’s career record of 49-0.If you go back to 2009 when Mayweather came out of retirement after beating Ricky Hatton, a case can be made that Berto will enter the ring the least equipped to handle Floyd than any other Mayweather opponent. Juan Manuel Marquez lacked size and strength, but he had the boxing brain and aptitude to perhaps out think Floyd. Shane Mosley was on the decline, but he still could box and punch and owned one of the best chins in the game. Victor Ortiz was green and inexperienced but he could punch. Miguel Cotto was an effective attacker and a tremendous body puncher. Roberto Guerrero was aggressive and tough. Canelo Alvarez was younger and bigger than Mayweather, plus he could punch with both hands. Marcos Maidana was another unorthodox attacker who could punch and for the first eight rounds of their first fight may have gotten the better of Mayweather.

When looking at the Mayweather-Berto match up from a pure boxing perspective, there isn’t one thing that you hang your hat on and say well at least if Berto can do this or that, he has a slight chance. The fact is he doesn’t. Unless Floyd stands in front of Berto with his hands on his hips and says hit me with everything you’ve got, Andre has no shot to win. The best you can hope for is perhaps maybe Berto will force Mayweather to fight as the aggressor, which isn’t Floyd at his best, and under that scenario Mayweather won’t look so great winning every round. But to see that you’ll have to pay at least $75.00 to watch it on PPV. Which means if you reside on the eastern seaboard of the United States, you’ll have to sit through three lousy under-card fights that’ll either be boring 10/12-round decisions or early mismatch knockouts. Then Mayweather-Berto will start at 12:15 am on September 13th and after the first round you’ll say I’m never buying another Mayweather fight again because it’s like paying to watch the WWE’s Summer slam….only they tell you it’s a hoax before you order via your cable/satellite provider.

If you’re willing to cough up $75.00 to watch a fight in which the B side of the promotion has no chance to win, and the A side won’t give you anything memorable or something you haven’t seen a hundred times before…enjoy the fight.

Oh, and better you than me!

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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COMMENTS

-Froggy :

Nobody from The Sweet Science is going to pay for this, are they ?


-King Beef :

Nobody from The Sweet Science is going to pay for this, are they ?
I don't know about anybody else Froggy, but I can't justify $75 for this 1, but I may wind up at a sportsbar though. No disrespect to Berto, because although the smart money says he has no chance; I feel it is a level of disrespect to to say this guy has no chance. I personally think that if he is breathing, thinking, and both arms and legs work; he has a shot. It might be a loooooooong shot, but a shot still the same. We might even get lucky and a Maidana I type of fight breaks out....(maybe). I know Floyd is 1 of the most disciplined guys when it is time to go to work, but I think he has already checked out of this boxing game. Pac was the one he had to get , now that he has got it, I think he is going through the motions. As seen by his weight already, he still gets down to business, but I gotta think it's just not the same mentally. When guys start talking retirement, and what's on the other side of the game, they usually are clocking out....which could be dangerous


-Radam G :

A pug always has a shot. SOME! There is a long historical trail of no chancers staging impossible upsets. And there have been so many that I will only name one -- Muhammad Ali-Leon "Neon" Sprinks -- because Money May is fond of talking bulljive about it, and the GOAT Ali. And karma is a GIANT bytch when arrogant bullspitters pound and pound on a GOAT. The boksing mysticism and "theatre of the unexpected" sink dat manitch's TBE BOAT -- The Best Ever Bold Obnoxious @sshole Talker! Shutting down Money May is all up in the air. I hear "The Whisper" V-Hunt as clear as a bell. That "big, black Haitian" is going to give Money May an @$$-thrashing hell from the first bell to the last bell. But the "Sin City" crooks that be are going to save Money May from defeat by imaging a majority draw. One judge will get it right for Berto, but two will see that imagery draw for Lil Floyd. Holla!


-oubobcat :

I don't know about anybody else Froggy, but I can't justify $75 for this 1, but I may wind up at a sportsbar though. No disrespect to Berto, because although the smart money says he has no chance; I feel it is a level of disrespect to to say this guy has no chance. I personally think that if he is breathing, thinking, and both arms and legs work; he has a shot. It might be a loooooooong shot, but a shot still the same. We might even get lucky and a Maidana I type of fight breaks out....(maybe). I know Floyd is 1 of the most disciplined guys when it is time to go to work, but I think he has already checked out of this boxing game. Pac was the one he had to get , now that he has got it, I think he is going through the motions. As seen by his weight already, he still gets down to business, but I gotta think it's just not the same mentally. When guys start talking retirement, and what's on the other side of the game, they usually are clocking out....which could be dangerous
I am not buying the ppv for $75 but may the day of the fight decide to go to the theater (I think the cost is around $20). Not so much for Mayweather-Berto but more for Groves-Jack and Martinez-Salido. The Mayweather-Berto fight may be a walk out fight for me.


-deepwater2 :

I will not pay to watch it. I will gladly check out the good undercard the following week or online when someone uploads it. That night will be a night to catch a movie with the wife or maybe go to the gym and sauna late night. I have to trim some pounds anyway. Floyd is trying so hard to sell the fight, it is amusing to hear Floyd say things like : Berto is exciting. The odds should be closer. Berto deserves the fight after his last performance. Berto is bringing his A game. Berto is better than MP. Floyd and Berto will be hanging out after the fight talking about buying Bentleys and laughing it up. My friend in says No one is talking about a Mayweather fight in September. For the MP fight he was selling VIP tables for $50,000. That is very expensive real estate. Instead he is selling space because of I heart radio or something like that and Mexican Independence Day but no mention of Floyd. People are flying or driving in for parties unrelated to the fight. The Cotto Canelo fight should get some tables sold.


-stormcentre :

Pretty well and cleverly written piece. Can't really argue with it, and the fact that - despite my other mock predictions for a Berto win by KO - Berto (really) has very little chance. Particularly if Floyd rolls out of bed and trains every day like he usually does before a fight. If this really was Floyd's last fight perhaps the asking PPV price may be worth it. But then I have never paid for a PPV fight in my life, so there's no need to start now. I will watch it, and it may be live. But it won't bother me if I catch it a few days late either. The outcome will be the same as if Floyd fought any top welterweight out there. But with Berto being one/two rungs down from that top standard it will probably neatly offset any disinterest in the sport that has already set in for Floyd to the extent that it detracts from his performance and negatively complements what father time is gradually taking from Mayweather at 38. :) :)


-amayseng :

Floyd is a great boxer but he is an absolute BORE. He **** the bed against Pac and held and held and held. Go fight Berto and retire....You solidified your legacy by being a bore who keeps whores with drugs in the home you raise a teenage daughter. Congratulations you have hundreds of millions of dollars but you failed life. Not giving this low life my money.


-brownsugar :

Not really concerned about Floyds personal life, 90% of the intertainment community participates in all manner of non productive behavior and debauchery while there children abuse drugs and post sex videos online and nobody cares....Floyd seems like a boyscout by comparison and God will ultimately judge us all anyway. What amazes me about Floyd is that he sustains the income of hundreds, possibly thousands of people almost like a medium sized company and has avoided the temptations which have consumed the prime of even the most celebrated hall of famers. Nobody wanted Mosely after he had Margarito's gloves de-bricked right before the fight and creamed the previously most indestructable welter in the world within ten savagely punishing rounds...... but was supposedly "shot" a year later when he lost a lop sided decision to FMJ. Even Roach said publically " I think he may be a little too much for us right now " when Mosley begain lobbying for a shot at Pac's title. There is a reason 4.4 million fans bought the fight, ....because It was a legitimate fight between the 2 men who are currently best boxers on the planet, and have been for over a decade. (and probably still are). And people needed to know who was the best. Dont get buyers remorse now.... because Floyd made it look so easy. His job is to win, not hang on the cross of blood and guts for public amusement. The author makes it seem that the fans should be at fault for watching the most anticipated fight of the century. It was Pac's job to find a remedy to defeat Floyd's defensive capabilities and he couldnt find a solution. So go kick rocks if you cant accept it. I think Floyd vs Berto has way more possibilites to be an entertaining and fan friendly bout than Pac vs Rios or Algieri. I bough both of those fights which had a mediocre undercard and i havent heard any outrage against those fights or demands for a refund. Floyd said himself, " if you dont like it, dont by it ". Personally, I will be watching, its my choice and I hardly give a **** what anyone else thinks or does with their own money.


-SouthPawFlo :

I'll be there


-stormcentre :

Not really concerned about Floyds personal life, 90% of the intertainment community participates in all manner of non productive behavior and debauchery while there children abuse drugs and post sex videos online and nobody cares....Floyd seems like a boyscout by comparison and God will ultimately judge us all anyway. What amazes me about Floyd is that he sustains the income of hundreds, possibly thousands of people almost like a medium sized company and has avoided the temptations which have consumed the prime of even the most celebrated hall of famers. Nobody wanted Mosely after he had Margarito's gloves de-bricked right before the fight and creamed the previously most indestructable welter in the world within ten savagely punishing rounds...... but was supposedly "shot" a year later when he lost a lop sided decision to FMJ. Even Roach said publically " I think he may be a little too much for us right now " when Mosley begain lobbying for a shot at Pac's title. There is a reason 4.4 million fans bought the fight, ....because It was a legitimate fight between the 2 men who are currently best boxers on the planet, and have been for over a decade. (and probably still are). And people needed to know who was the best. Dont get buyers remorse now.... because Floyd made it look so easy. His job is to win, not hang on the cross of blood and guts for public amusement.
The author makes it seem that the fans should be at fault for watching the most anticipated fight of the century. It was Pac's job to find a remedy to defeat Floyd's defensive capabilities and he couldnt find a solution. So go kick rocks if you cant accept it. I think Floyd vs Berto has way more possibilites to be an entertaining and fan friendly bout than Pac vs Rios or Algieri. I bough both of those fights which had a mediocre undercard and i havent heard any outrage against those fights or demands for a refund. Floyd said himself, " if you dont like it, dont by it ". Personally, I will be watching, its my choice and I hardly give a **** what anyone else thinks or does with their own money.
Good post and hard to argue with that too. Pac's sulking, wet the bed attitude, and how they all got up and walked out before Floyd arrived and just after they stunk the place out with the injury excuse at the post fight press conference was almost as disgraceful as, not only what it revealed about how much he had lied beforehand and suffered from the pre-fight testing - but also his inability to do anything in the fight that was predicted. Even though I don't think he will win; I agree Berto can be an exciting fighter as he usually lays it all on the line. And since the lack of excitement (whether it be unfairly attributed to one person or not) seems to be a common complaint with Floyd's last fight, hopefully with Berto we will get not just an exciting fight - but also one that is more entertaining than MayPac. Personally, and this I think is quite interesting and perhaps overlooked, I think the outcome of the Mayweather V Berto fight - despite how good/bad Berto may really be - is no more predictable than Mayweather V Pac. Floyd owes no-one nothing at this stage of his career. Whereas Pac owes a lot of people, including several plaintiffs and judges, some very important explanations and answers. :) :)


-amayseng :

Not really concerned about Floyds personal life, 90% of the intertainment community participates in all manner of non productive behavior and debauchery while there children abuse drugs and post sex videos online and nobody cares....Floyd seems like a boyscout by comparison and God will ultimately judge us all anyway. What amazes me about Floyd is that he sustains the income of hundreds, possibly thousands of people almost like a medium sized company and has avoided the temptations which have consumed the prime of even the most celebrated hall of famers. Nobody wanted Mosely after he had Margarito's gloves de-bricked right before the fight and creamed the previously most indestructable welter in the world within ten savagely punishing rounds...... but was supposedly "shot" a year later when he lost a lop sided decision to FMJ. Even Roach said publically " I think he may be a little too much for us right now " when Mosley begain lobbying for a shot at Pac's title. There is a reason 4.4 million fans bought the fight, ....because It was a legitimate fight between the 2 men who are currently best boxers on the planet, and have been for over a decade. (and probably still are). And people needed to know who was the best. Dont get buyers remorse now.... because Floyd made it look so easy. His job is to win, not hang on the cross of blood and guts for public amusement. The author makes it seem that the fans should be at fault for watching the most anticipated fight of the century. It was Pac's job to find a remedy to defeat Floyd's defensive capabilities and he couldnt find a solution. So go kick rocks if you cant accept it. I think Floyd vs Berto has way more possibilites to be an entertaining and fan friendly bout than Pac vs Rios or Algieri. I bough both of those fights which had a mediocre undercard and i havent heard any outrage against those fights or demands for a refund. Floyd said himself, " if you dont like it, dont by it ". Personally, I will be watching, its my choice and I hardly give a **** what anyone else thinks or does with their own money.
I know BSUG but I am bitter at the egg Floyd laid against Pac with his poor performance for 100bucks and now he is charging 75 for this Berto crap fight. I am venting and complaining and putting him down for his bull ****. Mosley was off 18 months and was clearly not the same fighter, but that is his fault for not fighting every 6 months as Floyd has been doing in recent years. You cant stay sharp at anything being off that long


-Radam G :

Lil Floyd is a cunning-and-conning bulljiver. Of course he found a way "to beat Pacquiao." By controlling the corrupted Nevada commission to not let Da Manny take medicine for a legit injury while he -- Money May -- was on TUE, xylocaine and other syet for a so-called allergy. Berto has the right trainer and right diet. And right timing to fight an unserious Lil Floyd. Berto and "The Whisper" are going to hunt Lil Floyd down like a terrorist and drone bomb him to the "theatre of the unexpected" smithereens. Holla!


-Chris L :

I know BSUG but I am bitter at the egg Floyd laid against Pac with his poor performance for 100bucks and now he is charging 75 for this Berto crap fight. I am venting and complaining and putting him down for his bull ****. Mosley was off 18 months and was clearly not the same fighter, but that is his fault for not fighting every 6 months as Floyd has been doing in recent years. You cant stay sharp at anything being off that long
Floyd put on a good performance - he won with ease; Pac put on a poor performance. Edit: On topic I don't think Mayweather Berto is that bad - there's no one I'm burning to see Floyd fight, so don't really care who it is.


-amayseng :

Floyd put on a good performance - he won with ease; Pac put on a poor performance. Edit: On topic I don't think Mayweather Berto is that bad - there's no one I'm burning to see Floyd fight, so don't really care who it is.
Floyd put on a terrible performance, just terrible. With all his holding, stalling and running it was a bore. Pac attempted to out box Floyd and did some good work landing more counters than Floyd did. Watch the fight slowed down and you will see. This was Floyds legacy fight and he jabbed, missed, held and ran and held to a victory barely edging out Pac in my opinion. This is the pros not the amateurs, effective and harder shots beat jabs all day. Look at Calzaghes legacy fight against Bhop and Jones. Jmm's against Pac. Duran's against SRL 1 Jone's against Ruiz Lewis against Vitali Klit and Lewis against Holyfield SRL against Hearns Hagler against Hearns.. Look at all these legacy fights and what the winner did clearly to win these fights and then look what Floyd did with Pac.......Boring and ineffective...


-Radam G :

Floyd put on a terrible performance, just terrible. With all his holding, stalling and running it was a bore. Pac attempted to out box Floyd and did some good work landing more counters than Floyd did. Watch the fight slowed down and you will see. This was Floyds legacy fight and he jabbed, missed, held and ran and held to a victory barely edging out Pac in my opinion. This is the pros not the amateurs, effective and harder shots beat jabs all day. Look at Calzaghes legacy fight against Bhop and Jones. Jmm's against Pac. Duran's against SRL 1 Jone's against Ruiz Lewis against Vitali Klit and Lewis against Holyfield SRL against Hearns Hagler against Hearns.. Look at all these legacy fights and what the winner did clearly to win these fights and then look what Floyd did with Pac.......Boring and ineffective...
Oh, YUP! "Boring and ineffective" against a pug with a severe arm/shoulder injury. Shame on Money May! And his arse barely won. All the talk in the world about him having a "flawless" performance by his _____ ______ cannot pass a smell test. Money May looked like a POS against Da Manny. Plain and simple! No matter how anybody trys to spin it. Even Uncle Roger and Pops Joy May have expressed disgust with Money May. And Uncle Roger has been put on ice for talking too much syet about Lil Floyd not doing well against "a hurt man." Even PJM has been cautioned to watch what he says. After Money May gets a controversial draw with Andre Berto, he will disappear from the talk of being one of the greatest welterweights or pound-4-pound of all times. He has been a great cherry picker and fighter of drained pugs and injured ones. Other than Money May, what p-4-p pug has fought 20 years straight in the same city under a corrupted commission that changes the rules for him? And is the only state that has rules to favor his high ratio of being full of dat syet. Holla!


-King Beef :

Good post and hard to argue with that too. Pac's sulking, wet the bed attitude, and how they all got up and walked out before Floyd arrived and just after they stunk the place out with the injury excuse at the post fight press conference was almost as disgraceful as, not only what it revealed about how much he had lied beforehand and suffered from the pre-fight testing - but also his inability to do anything in the fight that was predicted. Even though I don't think he will win; I agree Berto can be an exciting fighter as he usually lays it all on the line. And since the lack of excitement (whether it be unfairly attributed to one person or not) seems to be a common complaint with Floyd's last fight, hopefully with Berto we will get not just an exciting fight - but also one that is more entertaining than MayPac. Personally, and this I think is quite interesting and perhaps overlooked, I think the outcome of the Mayweather V Berto fight - despite how good/bad Berto may really be - is no more predictable than Mayweather V Pac. Floyd owes no-one nothing at this stage of his career. Whereas Pac owes a lot of people, including several plaintiffs and judges, some very important explanations and answers. :) :)
[QUOTE=brownsugar;86803]Not really concerned about Floyds personal life, 90% of the intertainment community participates in all manner of non productive behavior and debauchery while there children abuse drugs and post sex videos online and nobody cares....Floyd seems like a boyscout by comparison and God will ultimately judge us all anyway. What amazes me about Floyd is that he sustains the income of hundreds, possibly thousands of people almost like a medium sized company and has avoided the temptations which have consumed the prime of even the most celebrated hall of famers. Nobody wanted Mosely after he had Margarito's gloves de-bricked right before the fight and creamed the previously most indestructable welter in the world within ten savagely punishing rounds...... but was supposedly "shot" a year later when he lost a lop sided decision to FMJ. Even Roach said publically " I think he may be a little too much for us right now " when Mosley begain lobbying for a shot at Pac's title. There is a reason 4.4 million fans bought the fight, ....because It was a legitimate fight between the 2 men who are currently best boxers on the planet, and have been for over a decade. (and probably still are). And people needed to know who was the best. Dont get buyers remorse now.... because Floyd made it look so easy. His job is to win, not hang on the cross of blood and guts for public amusement. The author makes it seem that the fans should be at fault for watching the most anticipated fight of the century. It was Pac's job to find a remedy to defeat Floyd's defensive capabilities and he couldnt find a solution. So go kick rocks if you cant accept it. I think Floyd vs Berto has way more possibilites to be an entertaining and fan friendly bout than Pac vs Rios or Algieri. I bough both of those fights which had a mediocre undercard and i havent heard any outrage against those fights or demands for a refund. Floyd said himself, " if you dont like it, dont by it ". Personally, I will be watching, its my choice and I hardly give a **** what anyone else thinks or does with their own money.[/QUOTE] Good post B-Sug. Interesting point about Pac/Algieri and Rios; true, nobody complained about these fights, (or certain other mismatches we have had lately) and these guys had about the same chance of upsetting Pac as everyone gives Berto with of beating Floyd. I am thinking nobody complained because the desired outcome of those fights were achieved, and not so much with May/Pac. It's also funny how some want to blame only Mayweather for May/Pac being a huge disappointment, and how much was charged, and how much Mayweather made etc etc. I saw 2 boxers that night, (and last I heard the other guy didn't do so bad at the bank either) Everybody knew what you were going to get with Mayweather and he delivered as advertised, Pac....not so much. Like I said earlier , nobody thought Floyd/Maidana I would turn into the scrap it turned into, maybe Berto comes with that type of performance on the 12th.


-Radam G :

Good post B-Sug. Interesting point about Pac/Algieri and Rios; true, nobody complained about these fights, (or certain other mismatches we have had lately) and these guys had about the same chance of upsetting Pac as everyone gives Berto with of beating Floyd. I am thinking nobody complained because the desired outcome of those fights were achieved, and not so much with May/Pac. It's also funny how some want to blame only Mayweather for May/Pac being a huge disappointment, and how much was charged, and how much Mayweather made etc etc. I saw 2 boxers that night, (and last I heard the other guy didn't do so bad at the bank either) Everybody knew what you were going to get with Mayweather and he delivered as advertised, Pac....not so much. Like I said earlier , nobody thought Floyd/Maidana I would turn into the scrap it turned into, maybe Berto comes with that type of performance on the 12th.
The "big, black Haitian" is on black water, black salt and warrior black rice. Dude is even wearing black diamonds. He is going to upset Money May. And black out any nonsense talk of how Money May is one of the most superior-fighting/boxing/defensive pugs of all times. Money May is a great boxing bullsyetter, bulljiver and con man as Jack Johnson was, who made unheard of moolah in the first score of the 20th Century. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Good post KB. You will find that no-one will be able to reliably dispute what you have written without digressing into claims that are fled from when clarification requests are forwarded; ah la 122 clinches. Berto will probably be more exciting and try harder (to cut the ring off . . etc) than Pac. But that (or the fact that, unlike some, he will not grossly overstate his ability and then under-deliver) won't stop the masses complaining even if he is more exciting (addressing one of the main MayPac complaints); because the depth of embarrassment and amount of wounds related to how easy it was to mislead about MayPac will probably never heal and reverberate on for a while now - particularly with those that lost control preMayPac and completely disregarded logic and fact. Actually, it's been a while since I've seen - even in boxing - such unchecked hysteria based on obvious what were obviously factoids and hype. Funny thing is with (both MayPac and) Floyd, that for a guy that was supposedly boring, ineffective, and so on (and he may well have been that) . . . . he "still" managed to beat the killer guy that everyone said; would beat him, he was scared of, would get KTFO by . . . . . . . . . . . . . ("add next set of emotional claims in here and keep timesing it by 10 until eternity ends"). So, what does that tell us about SaltWater Jesus and his alter boys? Roach, preMayPac: ""We know what Floyd brings, his legs are shot, we are going to knock him out, and we're 100% ready for anything"". And after the fight, we heard; ""Floyd ran and clinched too much"". Now we know all about the clinch claim/lie and what's behind it, but what I want to know is how did Floyd run too much with really shot legs? Someone has been telling porky pies, and someone is smothering over the embarrassment of believing it with the same, plus a little hate for good measure. Still respect both Floyd and in some cases Pacquaio (pre-MayPac mostly) for what they have done and achieved. :) :)
->http://nesn.com/2015/08/manny-pacquiao-claims-god-salt-water-healed-shoulder-after-surgery/
->http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-pacquiao-lawsuits-head-california--94763


-stormcentre :

Good post B-Sug. Interesting point about Pac/Algieri and Rios; true, nobody complained about these fights, (or certain other mismatches we have had lately) and these guys had about the same chance of upsetting Pac as everyone gives Berto with of beating Floyd. I am thinking nobody complained because the desired outcome of those fights were achieved, and not so much with May/Pac. It's also funny how some want to blame only Mayweather for May/Pac being a huge disappointment, and how much was charged, and how much Mayweather made etc etc. I saw 2 boxers that night, (and last I heard the other guy didn't do so bad at the bank either) Everybody knew what you were going to get with Mayweather and he delivered as advertised, Pac....not so much. Like I said earlier , nobody thought Floyd/Maidana I would turn into the scrap it turned into, maybe Berto comes with that type of performance on the 12th.
Good post KB. You will find that no-one will be able to reliably dispute what you have written without digressing into claims that are fled from when clarification requests are forwarded; ah la 122 clinches. Berto will probably be more exciting and try harder (to cut the ring off . . etc) than Pac. But that (or the fact that, unlike some, he will not grossly overstate his ability and then under-deliver) won't stop the masses complaining even if he is more exciting (addressing one of the main MayPac complaints); because the depth of embarrassment and amount of wounds related to how easy it was to mislead about MayPac will probably never heal and reverberate on for a while now - particularly with those that lost control preMayPac and completely disregarded logic and fact. Actually, it's been a while since I've seen - even in boxing - such unchecked hysteria based on what were obviously nothing more than PcFactoids and PacHype; vampire facials, bad chopping water, swimming the wrong way scared, not signing (non-existent) contracts . . . . bla bla bla. Funny thing is with (both MayPac and) Floyd, that for a guy that was supposedly boring, ineffective, and so on (and he may well have been that) . . . . he "still" managed to beat the killer guy that everyone said; would beat him, he was scared of, would get KTFO by . . . . . . . . . . . . . ("add next set of emotional claims in here and keep timesing it by 10 until eternity ends"). So, what does that tell us about SaltWater Jesus and his alter boys? Roach, preMayPac: ""We know what Floyd brings, his legs are shot, we are going to knock him out, and we're 100% ready for anything"". And after the fight, we heard; ""Floyd ran and clinched too much"". Now we know all about the clinch claim/lie and what's behind it, but what I want to know is how did Floyd run too much with really shot legs? Someone has been telling porky pies, and someone is smothering over the embarrassment of believing it with the same, plus a little hate for good measure. My bet is that Berto gives us a better and more exciting performance than Pac, and that after the fight some still resent that fact and find ways to rubbish the fight without looking at how Berto's performance - in terms of "excitement" - equalled or bettered Pac's. Still respect both Floyd and in some cases Pacquaio (pre-MayPac mostly) for what they have done and achieved. :) :)
->http://nesn.com/2015/08/manny-pacquiao-claims-god-salt-water-healed-shoulder-after-surgery/
->http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-pacquiao-lawsuits-head-california--94763


-stormcentre :

Good post B-Sug. Interesting point about Pac/Algieri and Rios; true, nobody complained about these fights, (or certain other mismatches we have had lately) and these guys had about the same chance of upsetting Pac as everyone gives Berto with of beating Floyd. I am thinking nobody complained because the desired outcome of those fights were achieved, and not so much with May/Pac. It's also funny how some want to blame only Mayweather for May/Pac being a huge disappointment, and how much was charged, and how much Mayweather made etc etc. I saw 2 boxers that night, (and last I heard the other guy didn't do so bad at the bank either) Everybody knew what you were going to get with Mayweather and he delivered as advertised, Pac....not so much. Like I said earlier , nobody thought Floyd/Maidana I would turn into the scrap it turned into, maybe Berto comes with that type of performance on the 12th.
Good post KB. You will find that no-one will be able to reliably dispute what you have written without digressing into claims that are fled from when clarification requests are forwarded; ah la 122 clinches. Berto will probably be more exciting and try harder (to cut the ring off . . etc) than Pac. But that (or the fact that, unlike some, he will not grossly overstate his ability and then under-deliver) won't stop the masses complaining even if he is more exciting (addressing one of the main MayPac complaints); because the depth of embarrassment and amount of wounds related to how easy it was to mislead about MayPac will probably never heal and reverberate on for a while now - particularly with those that lost control preMayPac and completely disregarded logic and fact. Actually, it's been a while since I've seen - even in boxing - such unchecked hysteria based on what were obviously nothing more than PcFactoids and PacHype; vampire facials, bad chopping water, swimming the wrong way scared, not signing (non-existent) contracts . . . . bla bla bla. And it’s also been a long while since so many questions and facts about a fighter have been overlooked in order to rubbish another. In fact I can’t remember a time in boxings’ history when so many Facts, PacFactoids and questions have been previously ignored, and if anyone doubts that I would love to hear what other fighter today could get away with all the unanswered questions surrounding not only Pacquaio but also his; claims, performances, PED use, fraud, filed lawsuits and received lawsuits. Don’t hold your breath on clarity surrounding that enigma. Funny thing is with (both MayPac and) Floyd, that for a guy that was supposedly boring, ineffective, and so on (and he may well have been that) . . . . he "still" managed to beat the killer guy that everyone said; would beat him, he was scared of, would get KTFO by . . . . . . . . . . . . . ("add next set of emotional claims in here and keep timesing it by 10 until eternity ends"). So, what does that tell us about SaltWater Jesus and his alter boys? Roach, preMayPac: ""We know what Floyd brings, his legs are shot, we are going to knock him out, and we're 100% ready for anything"". And after the fight, we heard; ""Floyd ran and clinched too much"". Now we know all about the clinch claim/lie and what's behind it, but what I want to know is how did Floyd run too much with really shot legs? Someone has been telling porky pies, and someone is smothering over the embarrassment of believing it with the same, plus a little hate for good measure. My bet is that Berto gives us a better and more exciting performance than Pac, and that after the fight some still resent that fact and find ways to rubbish the fight without looking at how Berto's performance - in terms of "excitement" - equalled or bettered Pac's. Still respect both Floyd and in some cases Pacquaio (pre-MayPac mostly) for what they have done and achieved. :) :)
->http://nesn.com/2015/08/manny-pacquiao-claims-god-salt-water-healed-shoulder-after-surgery/
->http://www.boxingscene.com/mayweather-pacquiao-lawsuits-head-california--94763


-brownsugar :

I'll be there
I envy you SouthPawFlo, i hope you drop a post about personal experience and impression of the fight


-brownsugar :

I didnt think it was a poor performance, both guys tried to do what they did best... Floyd just did his thing better. No shame in losing.... Mosley practically begged Pac for a shot after beating Margarito. Roach wouldnt go near him...until Floyd "cherry" picked him, then they were quick to scoop up the leftovers. Again,... I understand the motive.


-brownsugar :

Good post and hard to argue with that too. Pac's sulking, wet the bed attitude, and how they all got up and walked out before Floyd arrived and just after they stunk the place out with the injury excuse at the post fight press conference was almost as disgraceful as, not only what it revealed about how much he had lied beforehand and suffered from the pre-fight testing - but also his inability to do anything in the fight that was predicted. Even though I don't think he will win; I agree Berto can be an exciting fighter as he usually lays it all on the line. And since the lack of excitement (whether it be unfairly attributed to one person or not) seems to be a common complaint with Floyd's last fight, hopefully with Berto we will get not just an exciting fight - but also one that is more entertaining than MayPac. Personally, and this I think is quite interesting and perhaps overlooked, I think the outcome of the Mayweather V Berto fight - despite how good/bad Berto may really be - is no more predictable than Mayweather V Pac. Floyd owes no-one nothing at this stage of his career. Whereas Pac owes a lot of people, including several plaintiffs and judges, some very important explanations and answers. :) :)
Agreed, whatever Floyd does gets ten times the scrutiny, guess it comes with territory for being the best.


-brownsugar :

Good post B-Sug. Interesting point about Pac/Algieri and Rios; true, nobody complained about these fights, (or certain other mismatches we have had lately) and these guys had about the same chance of upsetting Pac as everyone gives Berto with of beating Floyd. I am thinking nobody complained because the desired outcome of those fights were achieved, and not so much with May/Pac. It's also funny how some want to blame only Mayweather for May/Pac being a huge disappointment, and how much was charged, and how much Mayweather made etc etc. I saw 2 boxers that night, (and last I heard the other guy didn't do so bad at the bank either) Everybody knew what you were going to get with Mayweather and he delivered as advertised, Pac....not so much. Like I said earlier , nobody thought Floyd/Maidana I would turn into the scrap it turned into, maybe Berto comes with that type of performance on the 12th.
King beef your candidness and honesty is rare. I dont blame you for not wanting to get the fight...at least you dont try to discourage those who do.


-King Beef :

Good post and hard to argue with that too. Pac's sulking, wet the bed attitude, and how they all got up and walked out before Floyd arrived and just after they stunk the place out with the injury excuse at the post fight press conference was almost as disgraceful as, not only what it revealed about how much he had lied beforehand and suffered from the pre-fight testing - but also his inability to do anything in the fight that was predicted. Even though I don't think he will win; I agree Berto can be an exciting fighter as he usually lays it all on the line. And since the lack of excitement (whether it be unfairly attributed to one person or not) seems to be a common complaint with Floyd's last fight, hopefully with Berto we will get not just an exciting fight - but also one that is more entertaining than MayPac. Personally, and this I think is quite interesting and perhaps overlooked, I think the outcome of the Mayweather V Berto fight - despite how good/bad Berto may really be - is no more predictable than Mayweather V Pac. Floyd owes no-one nothing at this stage of his career. Whereas Pac owes a lot of people, including several plaintiffs and judges, some very important explanations and answers. :) :)
[QUOTE=brownsugar;86873]King beef your candidness and honesty is rare. I dont blame you for not wanting to get the fight...at least you dont try to discourage those who do.[/QUOTE] My mind is saying the odds are probably right, and will be another easy win for Floyd, but I will and can not say that any professional boxer that steps in that ring has no chance....anything can happen when hands get thrown. I also do not need to see rock-em sock-em robots every fight; I appreciated the full mastery of BOXING that Mayweather exhibits. No Mayweather hate here, but unless the undercard shapes up, he will just get sportsbar admission from me this go round.


-Radam G :

That "BIG, black Haitian" has taken his "warrior fight diet" way, way back to old skool. He won't need permission from the corrupted NSAC to take medicine and vitamin water. Dude and his chef have gone all the way back to ancient arse kickers' ways. He is mixing it up with the dietary ancient ways of the "African Zulus and Ashanti, Egyptian and Greek Olympicans and warriors." Money May and his Alex Ariza and falling Angel Heredia roids and PEDs will be no match. That adverse syet dat harms the body and mind will be no contest for the wonders of Mother Earth's natural fighting foods, water and juices. With his black water, black salt and ancient-warrior black rice, Berto is gulping down red onion juice. OMFG! Yanks and fake-arse menitch posing and bullying up in cyberspace don't know syet about the true powers of certain foods, waters and juices. Berto is going to be a legit black diamond. Not those fake-@$$ cultured diamonds and cubic zircconia that Money May gives his posse and hos. They ain't nuffin' but a bunch of ready-for-television fakers and posers, any way. Berto is going to shine like the Eastern Star that guided the "Three wise men" to Jesus. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Some good posts above. BS, ChrisL and KB particularly. Perhaps what everyone is overlooking with the big Hiatian is . . . . . if someone feeds Berto watermelon seeds (particularly if its mixed 50/50 with Cheery Juice) just before the fight - just as Ariza fed Pac the "juice" before many of his "fights" - then Berto's chances (and hand-speed) are not only vastly increased- but a puncher is made. Berto by KO I say, and when talking about Pac, lets all look the other way. Love it!!!! Now where's those hormone supplements I had tucked away under the couch? :) :)


-Kid Blast :

A sucker is born every minute


-Radam G :

The WBC has joined forces with VADA to cleanup boksing. So don't be surprised if Money May gives up his WBC title belt before letting VADA test him for dat syet before the Berto's scrap. Money May is allowed a 6-to-1 ratio by USADA and NSAC, but that is a no no by 4-to-1 ratio VADA. NSAC moved its 4-to-1 ratio up to 6-to-1 a few years ago when Money May and his stable of pugs couldn't stay within the other 49 States' and world rule of 4-to-1. Holla!