Roach Thinks Floyd Will Fight On, Try To Stage #MayPac2 Himself

Confession time: I do not believe Floyd Mayweathers’ Sept. 12 fight will be his last.

I know, bold stuff.

A boxer retiring isn’t in the “death” and “taxes” realm of certainties, is it?

I asked seven time BWAA trainer of the year Freddie Roach if he think “TBE” will be bidding the ring adieu after he fights Andre Berto, on a recent visit to the Wild Card Gym in Hollywood.

Roach said he thinks Floyd will fight on…but maybe he’d be doing it with an aim to set up a Pacman rematch…and tweak the promotional arrangement along the way.

Roach told me that Floyd didn’t agree to a one-fight contract extension, with CBS, because he wants to put on a sequel fight by himself. Essentially, cut out the CBS as middleman, stage the thing himself…

“Anywhere close is good,” said Roach, about the revenue potential for #MayPac2.

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COMMENTS

-oubobcat :

First of all, no way this is Floyd's last fight in September. There is too much money on the table to be made for him to walk away after this fight. I don't think there is a single knowledgeable person in this sport who believes Floyd is stepping in the ring for the last time in September. As time as gone on as well, I also do believe we are headed down the road to Mayweather-Pacquiao 2. Just think about it. They each made a lot of money in that first fight. Those involved with the fight made a lot of money. There was a lot of demand as well all know. The fight was a clunker of course. And a rematch won't do around 5 million buys at around $100 a pop. But it will still do a lot of buys. There is still a lot of demand. Haymon and Floyd know there is a boatload of money to be made from the rematch and there is nobody else that they can match Floyd with that would do anywhere near what a Pacquiao rematch would do. And on the flipside, same goes for Arum and Pacquiao. Here is my guess to Floyd's plan. He starts posting on social media asking the fans if they want to see him fight again. He then responds that fans want to see him go for 50 and he picks another Berto like fight on free tv as a way to "give back" to the fans who demanded he fight again. Pacquiao attends the fight and after Floyd cruises to win 50 they bring Pac to the ring to begin the promotion for a September PPV rematch. On free tv where everyone then gets their appetites wet...Its coming folks, Mayweather-Pacquiao 2.


-Froggy :

I am a big Pacquiao fan and I went splits with 3 other people to watch the May 2, fight ! I won't pay a nickel to watch a rematch ! A rematch almost has to be a better fight, but the first fight was so underwhelming I hope they get very low numbers if they do it again !


-SouthPawFlo :

Pac and May both need to KO someone first before the public would wanna see another one... What's Pac man (After a shoulder surgery nonetheless) gonna be able to do differently... If he comes back and stops a Marquez or a Sadam Ali or maybe a T. Crawford roach could sell Pac of having his killer instinct back and his shoulder being the reason for lackluster performances


-stormcentre :

The funniest thing about this is not whether Mayweather fights Pac again, run from him, and/or whether Pac orchestrates another anatomical alibi before/during the fight; but the fact that Roach thinks his credibility and also his ability to stage such a promotion, are, respectively still in tact and what they should be to do so. I mean, come on man, how about you tell us the truth before a fight, and then execute a faithful game-plan (that adheres with what you say) during the fight first; then we can see if Floyd Jr. and Sr. want to suspend Snoop Doggy Dog reality and do business with you. The only thing Roach has going for him with this grand delusional plan, is that it seemingly - at least at this point - doesn't involve Arum. Imagine Freddy (trying to) organising all the business, legalities and other aspects. No disrespect, but please. Whenever I think of Roach organising this, I get visions of either; 1) Someone that - despite being wealthy - dismally fails at getting himself serviced at a brothel. 2) Previous historically disastrous events that were recorded in the history books as ideas that were effectively conceived by the Devil and implemented by a possessed barrel of monkeys. I could just see Haymon opening his doors and arms to Roach and saying; ""come in Freddy, sit down and tell us how you're going to singlehandedly plan, manage, and implement boxing's next biggest MayPac fight so that it delivers better returns than the previous; with no previous experience doing so and only the MayPac 1 scandals that both you and Pac were associated with to comfort and guide us as to how well you may go"". I think I would trust Don King to deliver a working, entertaining, and investment returning MayPac2 - more than Roach. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

The funniest thing about this is not whether Mayweather fights Pac again, run from him, and/or whether Pac orchestrates another anatomical alibi before/during the fight; but the fact that Roach thinks his credibility and also his ability to stage such a promotion, are, respectively still in tact and what they should be to do so. I mean, come on man, how about you tell us the truth before a fight, and then execute a faithful game-plan (that adheres with what you say) during the fight first; then we can see if Floyd Jr. and Sr. want to suspend Snoop Doggy Dog reality and do business with you. The only thing Roach has going for him with this grand delusional plan, is that it seemingly - at least at this point - doesn't involve Arum. Imagine Freddy (trying to) organising all the business, legalities and other aspects. No disrespect, but please. Whenever I think of Roach organising this, I get visions of either; 1) Someone that - despite being wealthy - dismally fails at getting himself serviced at a brothel. 2) Previous historically disastrous events that were recorded in the history books as ideas that were effectively conceived by the Devil and implemented by a possessed barrel of monkeys. I could just see Haymon opening his doors and arms to Roach and saying; ""come in Freddy, sit down and tell us how you're going to singlehandedly plan, manage, and implement boxing's next biggest MayPac fight so that it delivers better returns than the previous; with no previous experience doing so and only the MayPac 1 scandals that both you and Pac were associated with to comfort and guide us as to how well you may go. By the way Freddy, how are those MRI's of Pac's initial shoulder injury looking? Have you found them yet? Any chance we can take a look at them? Perhaps Pac can drop them off to me personally, as I hear he's got a lot of spare time these days, especially now that he's not attending his shoulder rehab classes". I think I would trust Don King to deliver a working, entertaining, and investment returning MayPac2 - more than Roach. :) :) :)


-amayseng :

First of all, no way this is Floyd's last fight in September. There is too much money on the table to be made for him to walk away after this fight. I don't think there is a single knowledgeable person in this sport who believes Floyd is stepping in the ring for the last time in September. As time as gone on as well, I also do believe we are headed down the road to Mayweather-Pacquiao 2. Just think about it. They each made a lot of money in that first fight. Those involved with the fight made a lot of money. There was a lot of demand as well all know. The fight was a clunker of course. And a rematch won't do around 5 million buys at around $100 a pop. But it will still do a lot of buys. There is still a lot of demand. Haymon and Floyd know there is a boatload of money to be made from the rematch and there is nobody else that they can match Floyd with that would do anywhere near what a Pacquiao rematch would do. And on the flipside, same goes for Arum and Pacquiao. Here is my guess to Floyd's plan. He starts posting on social media asking the fans if they want to see him fight again. He then responds that fans want to see him go for 50 and he picks another Berto like fight on free tv as a way to "give back" to the fans who demanded he fight again. Pacquiao attends the fight and after Floyd cruises to win 50 they bring Pac to the ring to begin the promotion for a September PPV rematch. On free tv where everyone then gets their appetites wet...Its coming folks, Mayweather-Pacquiao 2.
I don't think Floyd takes time off or retires a year and then comes back... He has realized how important it is to stay active to stay sharp especially as you age... He may be done overall... He knows the Pac win was hard earned and close, why chance revisiting it or risk his health when he has 300 million. When is enough money enough? I say he is done


-Radam G :

Pac and May both need to KO someone first before the public would wanna see another one... What's Pac man (After a shoulder surgery nonetheless) gonna be able to do differently... If he comes back and stops a Marquez or a Sadam Ali or maybe a T. Crawford roach could sell Pac of having his killer instinct back and his shoulder being the reason for lackluster performances
It would be nice. But I think that Berto is going to upset the apple card. Money May is as serious as Jesus Riding a white winged horse on a cloud when he returns to earth with the Lone Ranger riding Silver and Tonto riding his red pony. Hehe! It will be nice for Da Manny to dance with Berto, but not Money May. Dude is full of jive. He doesn't want any of a well-and-healthy elite pug. Money May has always been about cherry picking and fighting no chancers and health-damaged pugs. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Yes Floyd very well may just be guilty of cherry picking guys, and let's just say he is so, amongst an ocean of unproven claims, you have a little victory there. But with Pac, Pac himself (and Roach) repetitively told us Pac was ready/right to go (and that Floyd was getting KO'd) before MayPac; so Pac only has himself to blame there for that, and also for why the fight didn't take place earlier, when the chance for it was blown as a result of Pac refusing to do PED tests. But - and this is what resonates with me more than any selective allegation asserting Floyd (and not Pac) made the MayPac fight a bore - Pac's actions of suing Floyd for effectively telling the truth about Pac's rampant (Roach/Arum confirmed) PED use - even if you leave out how often Pac himself used catch-weights and previously beaten opponents whilst on PEDS - is about as low as you can get. So, if we're talking associating dignity with boycotting any upcoming Floyd fight - and assuming we want to be fair, non-bias and evenhanded - then we need to consider all the PacFacts, and not just (hypocritically) treat them as Floyd is claimed to have dealt with Pac; running away. Claiming the salt water has healed your shoulder injury and justifies not attending rehab, and also using PEDs is one thing; but taking a man to court and suing him (after you refused PED tests) because (you know) he tells a truth about it that also aligns with what your trainer and promoter say about your PED use, is another thing all together in my books. That, if anything, is as low as you can get. Now that Roach and Arum, and the MayPac fight/testing itself, have confirmed what was really going on; I don't see Pac suing Paulie and all the others that are now openly saying Pac was on the PEDs - as Pac did Floyd, when he perhaps was more confident that Floyd could not prove his (true) claim. PED use surely is - at least- as bad as selecting opponents as Floyd is claimed to do. Yet, if that is so then you certainly wouldn't know it sometimes when you read what is selectively written about Floyd by PacFans. Anyway, now I guess Pac will get a chance to see what it's like to be sued. As, currently, he seems to have quite a few court cases and/or writs himself to field now - in relation to his alleged shoulder injury, and his in-fight MayPac performance and fraud. I have no problem with anyone saying Floyd ran from Pac and was solely responsible for a boring fight, as not only are they free to do so - but I also know that the allegation holds as much water as those that claimed Floyd clinched an exorbitant amount of times - only to then fail to prove the claim and/or display anywhere near the same effort with that task as exhibited when initially releasing the fraud. However, what's interesting is - all whilst it's popular to rubbish Floyd at almost every level - how hugely unpopular it is to use facts and talk about Pac's association with * PEDs, catch-weights, weaker opponents, previously beaten opponents, and of course the infamous MayPac/NSAC shoulder injury and its associated fraud; for which Pac is - for the 1st time in boxing's history (a line often used in association with Pac's "incredible" multi-divisional boxing * achievements) - being sued for fraud by multiple entities from around the globe. Talk about firsts? Pac was one of - if not - the first boxer to; A) Hold so many titles in so many weight classes. B) To reject a multi-million dollar mega-fight due to rejecting PED testing; yet Floyd is regularly rubbished for waiting until Pac was over the hill. C) Have his trainer and promoter effectively confirm he was on the PEDs when he had his incredible run through all the weight classes and titles. D) (Via questionable and/or untrue claims) Sue another boxer for effectively telling the truth about Pac's own PED use. E) Be threatened by the NSAC for fraudulently populating a form and then attempting to use it to receive an injection only hours before the MayPac fight and after the same kind of PED testing phase that he had previously rejected - which is the real reason why both, the MayPac fight took place when it was less relevant, and was less entertaining. F) Receive multiple writs in relation to his claims, fraud, and performance in relation to the above and/or MayPac. G) Regularly use (the dangerous practice of) catch-weights and PEDs to achieve his success. H) Claim a previously denied/withheld injury was responsible for his poor performance, whilst at the same time not only offering explanations about it that conflicted with his promoter and others - but also failing to both, provide medical evidence that clearly defines the origin and nature of the claim, and also attend rehabilitation classes considered normal for his (previously undisclosed) injury. So many firsts, yet Floyd's cheery picked opponent in Berto is the far greater evil. Love it !!!! Cause no-one or no champion in boxing ever cherry picks their opponents (3G, Pac, Roy Jones, SRR . . . etc), and - despite the above - it's still entirely Floyd's fault MayPac was boring though eh? Look - just as Algieri, Rios and many others (inexperienced/catch-weight or not) were for Pac - I agree there are better opponents than Berto. But if anyone thinks Roach, Pac, and others that made their way to the top of the game - or even as they're on the way up - don't cherry pick . . . well then you may need to have a look through the history books of boxing. Like - after fighting whom everyone wanted him to fight (Pacquaio) and then, despite beating him, still seeing everyone complain and overlook what Pac himself actually did - is going to motivate Floyd to take big risks (with potential earnings) at the tail end of his career, and as he edges closer to 40. Most of the great champions we all love today would never, particularly as they close out their veteran careers, take a bigger risk - especially when not only is there absolutely no financial upside to it - but, in fact, many downsides exist. One of the main reason yesteryear's great champions always took big risks - and put their health as veterans last - was due to the absence of big dollars in the sport when they were in their prime. But like Floyd - or anyone with a moniker of "Money" - is ever going to fight someone his non-fans want, and as if he cares if they're upset about it when the majority of them can't come to terms with most of the PacFacts pertaining to the above. If nothing else, it all serves as good humour and a good social experiment to see what is selectively remembered and forgotten as the mud is slung about. Personally, I can't believe that (no-one cares in equal amounts to how they do with Floyd's antics and opponents, that) Pac's trainer and promoter have effectively confirmed/admitted that; 1) Pac was on the PEDS when he previously refused the PED tests, which then (as Roach confirmed) blew Pac's chance to fight Floyd when the fight mattered more. 2) When Pac sued Floyd for (correctly) alleging that Pac was on the PEDS, Pac's writ itself was frivolous and vexatious due to the fact that Pac was actually on the juice; as Roach, Ariza, and Arum (and Pac's MayPac performance) have all effectively confirmed. Which all possibly (how can it not?) has implications for Pac's low stamina output during the MayPac fight itslef. As that all took place after the kind of stringent PED testing that Pac - as above-mentioned - previously and vehemently refused to undertake; leading to how and when Pac previously blew his chance to fight Floyd - when the fight really mattered. But more than all the above, what brings a smile to my face more than anything is how all these considerations are largely and regularly stepped over to rubbish the hell out of Floyd, whom really - even if you accept what is said about him and his cherry picking ways (which, some of, I do) - has done far less damage to the sport than Pac (and Pac's above and oft overlooked antics) and as such Floyd should just be allowed to sail off into the sunset (with an easy fight) and retire. That way new and fresh blood can come into the game. I would welcome anyone to - accurately and with facts - address my post in the context of all Pac and Floyd issues raised. However, like those videos of Ali that (supposedly) show greater skill being executed, unfortunately though I am yet to see that happen. Personally, I would welcome seeing any meaningful and accurate address of my post in the context of all Pac and Floyd issues raised above - even if it was just in equal proportions to the selective negativity shown to Floyd by some whom he proved wrong with the MayPac fight; which itself - whilst funny - perhaps explains why it is not such a coincidence after all that so many PacFacts are stepped over. Looking on the bright side; if nothing else all the inconvenient, overlooked, selectively applied, and some that are true, facts; have actually given rise to the brilliant ""Keep It Snoop Doggy Dog Real"" phrase, which my daughter - whilst not really knowing what it really means - loves. So, all is not CherryJuice lost despite there sometimes being a little euphoric heartache and trouble in the centre of boxing's utopian paradise. Remember; Keep It Snoop Doggy Dog Real. :) :)
Storm.


-brownsugar :

Well written Storm... The detailed nuances of the whole Pac vs Floyd thing is so intertwined in hypocracy, contradiction and the biased reasoning of disgruntled fans who are still mourning the routine,... paint-by-the-numbers defeat of Pacquioa, that I've grown weary of recalling the sorrid details. You did a good job of presenting the endless minutia of relevant history to a small space. Floyds legs are gone, his chin won't hold up... and the inevitability of defeat looms over Floyd like a biblical prophesy Roach said... How ridiculous it all sounds in hindsite while team Pac offers up every excuse on the planet to explain something that's clearly evident to the naked eye,... If Pac can't invade the personal space of his opponents, 75% of his offence is instantly nullified....this is evident by the clumsy trajectory of his desperate lunges resulting in Pac careening into the ring posts by a well place check hook or quick lateral movement several times in the fight.... A blueprint is now probably available in booklet form at any public library. As fast as Pac's feet are, he's still a step behind "Old man Floyd". They could attach three brand new bionic shoulders to Pac, along with a synthetic atomic powered third arm and he still wouldn't have the necessary mobility to get within firing range. Give Roach credit for at least trying to talk a good game. But A loss is a loss, whether its been approved, accepted or acknowledged by the masses. So what he's doing now is to insure his fighters name comes up for consideration if Floyd fights again....good strategy For some amusing laugh out loud funny conspiracy-theory comedy, watch some of the many " slow motion" vids on YouTube where disappointed fans are still trying to rationalize Pac's loss. Whether Floyd fights again is anyone's guess, I find it fascinating that Floyd is already at 149.8 pounds 30 days away from fight night. Its almost unheard of that a fighter's natural weight only exceeds his weight limit in by only a few pounds. His character as a competitor is unparalleled.. Many lightweights exceed Floyd's natural weight in between fights. But being able to do so at almost 40 years of age is unheard of. So if he wants to fight again, I don't think he will age overnight. Despite appearing to be a fan of chilly burgers, fries not cooked in coconut oil and fat burgers, Floyd may actually be the most disciplined man in boxing, there is no way he could eat that way regularly and not suffer from cellular inflammation.... . A fact that will one day be discussed in more detail as well as his other training secrets after he leaves the ring But Floyd said recently in another article on FH that his trainer Rodger has been suffering from the severe symptoms of diabetes and dementia pugilistica (brain damaged suffered from boxing) since before the Canelo fight. Floyd said that Roger doesn't recognize him sometimes and refuses to eat properly..... At the Nevada HOF Ceremony, Roger refused to go on stage to be recognized, finally Floyd said he eventually agreed to go on stage after he gave Roger a thousand dollars, money is one of the few things his uncle Rodger still remembers very well. Also after the May-Pac fight, Roger walked home, on foot from MGM by himself which is about 20 miles away from where he lives... Floyd has only mentioned the severity of his illness for the first time but its way more debilitating than the general public knew. I think this will be a factor in whether Floyd wants to return again after september. His team has been with him for decades,... So to loose a major piece of the recipe now will certainly affect his decision. Personally I think he's done enough, I'm ready for the next generation.


-Radam G :

Fakery gets Lil Floyd nowhere. Anybody with an iota of a brain knows da know. Lil Floyd has never fought as well as his cherry-picking match making and controlling the corrupted NSAC's crooks. TUE and xylocaine and raising the ratio of dat syet from 4-to-1 to 6-to-1 have served him well. But history will not. Who fights in his hometown 20 years straight? Berto is going to exposed dat manitch in September. It is going to be a time that the peons of pugilistic make-believe will not wanna remember. Hehe! Holla!


-Radam G :

YouTube is always a bad thing when it is revealing Money May's lack of scoring while he is getting da syet whacked and popped out of him. But it is spot on to his groupies and peons when it is showing his brilliance. Da muthapucka is a human for God's Sake. Every pug gets stunned and ______ _______. Lil Floyd's defense/offense is greatly exaggerated by his lovers, groupies, peons and fanboys. So naturally they are going to hate YouTube that shows him getting hit like the women that he loves to whacked, and shows him missing like a bytch despite Box$hit counting his misses as hits. What a bunch of bulljive! Money May has not even been a great pug at welterweight. At junior lightweight and maybe lightweight, he was da BOMB! But at welter and super welter, he is a manitch-@$$ con artist ducker of the ready. And plucker of the weakened, damaged and injured while his manitch @$$ is full of dat syet. And dude will not touch the middleweights, thus becoming the first welterweight to defend his welterweight title more than five successful times and bytch-arse refused to battle against the middleweight champions. Holla!


-michigan400 :

I think Storm has written more about Manny than any other person alive at this point. :rolleyes:


-Radam G :

I think Storm has written more about Manny than any other person alive at this point. :rolleyes:
He makes points for da dude dat he is terrified of. And they now have a ___-like bromance going on. Hehehe! I syet you not. If you could see the private messages that he sent me. It is a puckin' shame how a dude can switch on AC-DC. Holla!


-Radam G :

That bromance 'em menitch have going on is tight and not ashamed to be in plain sight. For them, it was ____ love forever after one fight. Their old, gray arses strut around here like they have all the cyberspace might. And if you don't agree with most of their bulljive, your arse they will team up on and fight. But more power to their _____ bromance:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-7bJnTIcUEg. TSS accept all. They are in the living-to-attack-Da Manny-______ Hall. Holla!


-Brad :

...and none of it interesting or original is any way.


-Art :

I believe he will retire, due to his obsession for not getting hit/hurt during his fights. His mostly defensive style has been due to his wanting to retire with as much money and less damage as possible. Also, why he doesn't care what we think or want out of his performances! I personally want to see him retire for good!!


-brownsugar :

[QUOTE=stormcentre;86674]The funniest thing about this is not whether Mayweather fights Pac again, run from him, and/or whether Pac orchestrates another anatomical alibi before/during the fight; but the fact that Roach thinks his credibility and also his ability to stage such a promotion, are, respectively still in tact and what they should be to do so. I mean, come on man, how about you tell us the truth before a fight, and then execute a faithful game-plan (that adheres with what you say) during the fight first; then we can see if Floyd Jr. and Sr. want to suspend Snoop Doggy Dog reality and do business with you. The only thing Roach has going for him with this grand delusional plan, is that it seemingly - at least at this point - doesn't involve Arum. Imagine Freddy (trying to) organising all the business, legalities and other aspects. No disrespect, but please. Whenever I think of Roach organising this, I get visions of either; 1) Someone that - despite being wealthy - dismally fails at getting himself serviced at a brothel. 2) Previous historically disastrous events that were recorded in the history books as ideas that were effectively conceived by the Devil and implemented by a possessed barrel of monkeys. I could just see Haymon opening his doors and arms to Roach and saying; ""come in Freddy, sit down and tell us how you're going to singlehandedly plan, manage, and implement boxing's next biggest MayPac fight so that it delivers better returns than the previous; with no previous experience doing so and only the MayPac 1 scandals that both you and Pac were associated with to comfort and guide us as to how well you may go. By the way Freddy, how are those MRI's of Pac's initial shoulder injury looking? Have you found them yet? Any chance we can take a look at them? Perhaps Pac can drop them off to me personally, as I hear he's got a lot of spare time these days, especially now that he's not attending his shoulder rehab classes". I think I would trust Don King to deliver a working, entertaining, and investment returning MayPac2 - more than Roach. :) :) :)[/office, while in direct view I haven't had much time to spend on the web lately so when I read your comment about a "salt water" healing, it sounded so absurd my brain immediately insulated itself against the ridiculousness factor and completely buried the reference where it buried the image of one of coworker biting his toe nails at his desk in a high profile business office many years ago. Naw ,... I didn't really see that. But it came back to me (about the saltwater healing) about an hour later and I had to look it up. I do believe in miracles but the context revolving around this situation seemed to be in direct conflict with anything resembling holy activity and more in association with the pending lawsuits. While the US press has yet to acknowledge the Philipino news release, the usual suspects have all ready begun addressing the story all over youtube
->https://youtu.be/5omATWqRpL
->https://youtu.be/ybjYDohn-fQ
->https://youtu.be/DpSHbI1dLHI
->https://youtu.be/AHdqxo7HDnY These are just a few examples, there is no end to the craziness


-Radam G :

I believe he will retire, due to his obsession for not getting hit/hurt during his fights. His mostly defensive style has been due to his wanting to retire with as much money and less damage as possible. Also, why he doesn't care what we think or want out of his performances! I personally want to see him retire for good!!
Money May gets hit and hurt. And hit and hurt a lot. Don't be misled by punch stats and diz and dat and da third bulljive. He is in boksing where tricks of the trade and optical illusions are immense. Turn the sound off the the tv and watch that Money May's @$$ get banged and popped. He is a master of jiving and conniving the audience with talking heads playing up his defense because that is what they want you to believe to sell you a myth. Money May gets hit less with oh-$hit shots than other pugs, but he is constantly touched with good-and-decent shots. And bull$hit ones. I have no doubt that he will be in for a challenge from a fit-and-ready Andre Berto. Berto's whispering trainer and super chef are seeing to that. That "big, black Haitian" is going to shake up the Mayweather's world. Holla!


-stormcentre :

I think Storm has written more about Manny than any other person alive at this point. :rolleyes:
Thanks M, I take that as a compliment, even though I am aware of other meanings. But then, given my earlier posts' references to what is always stepped over and "forgotten", in some ways I have implicitly and already stated your case. As most simply continue to ignore what doesn't suit them about Pac and his extremely questionable antics, as they rubbish Floyd and/or MayPac. Proof of this can be found in many of the posts that came along after my above post (#8) to which both I and you refer, and/or whether the authors were proven wrong by Floyd and/or the MayPac outcome. At this point the subject of Pac and his promoter and trainer's confessions about his PED use must surely be the most avoided subject here. Certainly the opposite of rubbishing Floyd and anyone that attempts to present all the MayPac facts. Love it !!!! Please let me know if you have something (else) positive, factual, and accurate to contribute. Let's keep it Snoop Doggy Dog real eh? :rolleyes: :)


-stormcentre :

I think Storm has written more about Manny than any other person alive at this point. :rolleyes:
Thanks M, I take that as a compliment, even though I am aware of other meanings. But then, given my earlier posts' references to what is always stepped over and "forgotten", in some ways I have implicitly and already stated your case. As most simply continue to ignore what doesn't suit them about Pac and his extremely questionable antics, as they rubbish Floyd and/or MayPac. Proof of this can be found in many of the posts that came along after my above post (#8) to which both I and you refer, and/or whether the authors were proven wrong by Floyd and/or the MayPac outcome. At this point the subject of Pac and his promoter and trainer's confessions about his PED use must surely be the most avoided subject here. Certainly the opposite of rubbishing Floyd and anyone that attempts to present all the MayPac facts. Love it !!!! Please let me know if you have something (else) positive, factual, and accurate to contribute. Let's keep it Snoop Doggy Dog real eh? :rolleyes: :)


-stormcentre :

He makes points for da dude dat he is terrified of. And they now have a ___-like bromance going on. Hehehe! I syet you not. If you could see the private messages that he sent me. It is a puckin' shame how a dude can switch on AC-DC. Holla!
Madam, I have already challenged you to reveal these "so called" emails I have sent you (which really is more bluff on your part for those incriminating messages you sent me about another poster here in an attempt to create a coup) and - like most of your claims and any minute amount of substantiation that could possibly be associated with them - you have failed. For the record, and again, please release the emails you claim I have sent you along with those from you I responded to. What's funny about this is not just the fact that you haven't, don't, and can't whilst you still keep talking rubbish about it - but also how it has amazing similarities to Pac's NSAC fraud and how you selectively discuss the MayPac fight. Love it !!! Please let us know if you want to talk about any of the overlooked points I refer to in post #8 . . . . Or, any of the other hundreds of claims you have "moonlight make my hair grow back" made, and announced you will clarify, but then "forgotten" about. I won't hold my breath on a reliable and meaningful response. Thanks for the laughs. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Money May gets hit and hurt. And hit and hurt a lot. Don't be misled by punch stats and diz and dat and da third bulljive. He is in boksing where tricks of the trade and optical illusions are immense. Turn the sound off the the tv and watch that Money May's @$$ get banged and popped. He is a master of jiving and conniving the audience with talking heads playing up his defense because that is what they want you to believe to sell you a myth. Money May gets hit less with oh-$hit shots than other pugs, but he is constantly touched with good-and-decent shots. And bull$hit ones. I have no doubt that he will be in for a challenge from a fit-and-ready Andre Berto. Berto's whispering trainer and super chef are seeing to that. That "big, black Haitian" is going to shake up the Mayweather's world. Holla!
Hey how many clinches did you say Floyd initiated again? Speaking of . . . .""Being a master of jiving and conniving the audience with talking heads playing up a defense because that is what you want us to believe so you can sell you a myth"".
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21609-Any-Progress-on-Mayweather-Golovkin&p=84265&posted=1#post84265 Love the consistency of it all !!! :) :)


-stormcentre :

Well written Storm... The detailed nuances of the whole Pac vs Floyd thing is so intertwined in hypocracy, contradiction and the biased reasoning of disgruntled fans who are still mourning the routine,... paint-by-the-numbers defeat of Pacquioa, that I've grown weary of recalling the sorrid details. You did a good job of presenting the endless minutia of relevant history to a small space. Floyds legs are gone, his chin won't hold up... and the inevitability of defeat looms over Floyd like a biblical prophesy Roach said... How ridiculous it all sounds in hindsite while team Pac offers up every excuse on the planet to explain something that's clearly evident to the naked eye,... If Pac can't invade the personal space of his opponents, 75% of his offence is instantly nullified....this is evident by the clumsy trajectory of his desperate lunges resulting in Pac careening into the ring posts by a well place check hook or quick lateral movement several times in the fight.... A blueprint is now probably available in booklet form at any public library. As fast as Pac's feet are, he's still a step behind "Old man Floyd". They could attach three brand new bionic shoulders to Pac, along with a synthetic atomic powered third arm and he still wouldn't have the necessary mobility to get within firing range. Give Roach credit for at least trying to talk a good game. But A loss is a loss, whether its been approved, accepted or acknowledged by the masses. So what he's doing now is to insure his fighters name comes up for consideration if Floyd fights again....good strategy
For some amusing laugh out loud funny conspiracy-theory comedy, watch some of the many " slow motion" vids on YouTube where disappointed fans are still trying to rationalize Pac's loss. Whether Floyd fights again is anyone's guess, I find it fascinating that Floyd is already at 149.8 pounds 30 days away from fight night. Its almost unheard of that a fighter's natural weight only exceeds his weight limit in by only a few pounds. His character as a competitor is unparalleled.. Many lightweights exceed Floyd's natural weight in between fights. But being able to do so at almost 40 years of age is unheard of. So if he wants to fight again, I don't think he will age overnight. Despite appearing to be a fan of chilly burgers, fries not cooked in coconut oil and fat burgers, Floyd may actually be the most disciplined man in boxing, there is no way he could eat that way regularly and not suffer from cellular inflammation.... . A fact that will one day be discussed in more detail as well as his other training secrets after he leaves the ring But Floyd said recently in another article on FH that his trainer Rodger has been suffering from the severe symptoms of diabetes and dementia pugilistica (brain damaged suffered from boxing) since before the Canelo fight. Floyd said that Roger doesn't recognize him sometimes and refuses to eat properly..... At the Nevada HOF Ceremony, Roger refused to go on stage to be recognized, finally Floyd said he eventually agreed to go on stage after he gave Roger a thousand dollars, money is one of the few things his uncle Rodger still remembers very well. Also after the May-Pac fight, Roger walked home, on foot from MGM by himself which is about 20 miles away from where he lives... Floyd has only mentioned the severity of his illness for the first time but its way more debilitating than the general public knew. I think this will be a factor in whether Floyd wants to return again after september. His team has been with him for decades,... So to loose a major piece of the recipe now will certainly affect his decision. Personally I think he's done enough, I'm ready for the next generation.
Yep, good post and agree with what you have said. The topic - despite being unpopular with some whom, including those that lost out with MayPac - is interesting and needed by way of providing a balanced look at all that is overlooked. The fact people (continue to) respond - even if they claim they're not interested - proves that. But, as far as your above bolded comments go . . . . . . . . Yes, I have seen a few of those videos and they have cracked me up. It's almost like they share a non-commonsensical link to the same defective core that gave us 122 cherry juice clinches, and then ran from the statement. Good, well thought out, and balanced post by the way. You're right about Pac's style too. That's one reason why it was so easy to go against some popular opinion and make a detailed prediction against him in his last fight. All you had to do was look, and be objective about what he brought to the table and what the PED testing would do. :)


-Radam G :

It's has been said that a sucka [sic] is born every minute. In a scientific survey, over 60 percent of the U.S. mainland fans say that they will pay to see MayPac II. I will just watch it from here in the P-Islands FREE after attending Mass. Holla!


-stormcentre :

A scientific (I'm an Academia) survey eh? Love it !!!! No jiving, conniving, and hype there - none at all. Still, it's OK, the only thing that gets folks up in arms is the truth, especially if it's about Pac, Floyd, and MayPac; so you're well and truly safe. Berto by KO - and keep looking the other MayPac way - I (laughably) say. Actually, I would not pay to see MayPac2; but I would love to not only watch Floyd bust up and completely embarrass Pac once again - but also see/hear all the prefabricated (before the fight) and after the fact (fact) excuses, again. Oh, by the way can you please accept the honour of writing more about Pac than anyone else. "M" seems to have (selectively) overlooked that fact in his above post. Still cause it's all good fun and we love both his and your selective style I will amend his claim to make it right; rather than pull it to pieces and treat it like a (hypocritical) Floyd rubbishing session. Here goes . . . . ""I think Radam has written more about Manny than any other person alive at this point, but Storm has certainly written more (truth) about Manny (and highlighted how hypocritical and selective much is thats often said about Pac, cursed about Floyd and selectively released MayPac) than most paid writers whom appreciate being invited to gyms and fight-events would dare risk"". Peace out my one eyed boxing friends. Remember going backwards is what got Hatton KTFO against Pac; eh? And nobody - I mean nobody - misses Floyd with a body punch; eh? Keep it SDD scientifically real. And, keep laughing and rejecting the truth. :) :)


-Radam G :

Uncle Roger is fading quickly with bad health. I suggest that Fam May and TMT bring him to Thailand or the P-Islands A-S-A-P to save him from more rapid deterioration. The U.S. mainland doktors are full of pharmaceutical bullsyet and healthcare that don't work. The Yank doktors need to take it back to old skool and the naturopathic approach. ["First! Cause no harm.... And let proper foods be your medicine.] The bulljive pharmaceutical approach is a bunch of peddling of witchcraft make-believe. That stuff causes more harm than help. Death and injuries by U.S. mainland doktors are at an all time high. More Yanks are killed by doktors than by street criminals and defected cars. Poor Uncle Roger! We will be missing him soon if he doesn't get to the places that can restore his health. Holla at this pathetic piece:
->http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/5928-Floyd-Mayweather-Will-Uncle-Roger's-health. Maybe Fam May and The Money Team can contact AmerKano Dr. Joel Wallach. He has saved the minds and lives of a lot of U.S. athletes and former ones. I syet you not! Holla!


-michigan400 :

Thanks M, I take that as a compliment, even though I am aware of other meanings. But then, given my earlier posts' references to what is always stepped over and "forgotten", in some ways I have implicitly and already stated your case. As most simply continue to ignore what doesn't suit them about Pac and his extremely questionable antics, as they rubbish Floyd and/or MayPac. Proof of this can be found in many of the posts that came along after my above post (#8) to which both I and you refer, and/or whether the authors were proven wrong by Floyd and/or the MayPac outcome. At this point the subject of Pac and his promoter and trainer's confessions about his PED use must surely be the most avoided subject here. Certainly the opposite of rubbishing Floyd and anyone that attempts to present all the MayPac facts. Love it !!!! Please let me know if you have something (else) positive, factual, and accurate to contribute. Let's keep it Snoop Doggy Dog real eh? :rolleyes: :)
Here is "factual" - Your just as biased as anyone here but you pretend not to be. That's also "accurate". (See how I kept it to only 2 sentences?) There is nothing "positive" about what you post. Also a factual and accurate statement. The saying "making a mole hill into a mountain" was coined just for you. And lastly. You literally take all of the fun out of this forum with the long winded, rambling attacks on anyone who dares say anything about Floyd and his status. One more fact. I drop comments like farts in an elevator. Your the one sitting in it and enjoying it cuz I done left!! Ramble away. I won't see it unless it's by accident (like this one) LMAO!!!


-stormcentre :

Here is "factual" - Your just as biased as anyone here but you pretend not to be. That's also "accurate". (See how I kept it to only 2 sentences?) There is nothing "positive" about what you post. Also a factual and accurate statement. The saying "making a mole hill into a mountain" was coined just for you. And lastly. You literally take all of the fun out of this forum with the long winded, rambling attacks on anyone who dares say anything about Floyd and his status. One more fact. I drop comments like farts in an elevator. Your the one sitting in it and enjoying it cuz I done left!! Ramble away. I won't see it unless it's by accident (like this one) LMAO!!!
OK "M". Thanks for that insight. Glad you're having fun too. Keep up the good work and farting in the elevator - its really clever. Still love your stuff though, even if it (as you admit) smells. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Here is "factual" - Your just as biased as anyone here but you pretend not to be. That's also "accurate". (See how I kept it to only 2 sentences?) There is nothing "positive" about what you post. Also a factual and accurate statement. The saying "making a mole hill into a mountain" was coined just for you. And lastly. You literally take all of the fun out of this forum with the long winded, rambling attacks on anyone who dares say anything about Floyd and his status. One more fact. I drop comments like farts in an elevator. Your the one sitting in it and enjoying it cuz I done left!! Ramble away. I won't see it unless it's by accident (like this one) LMAO!!!
OK "M". Thanks for that insight. Glad you're having fun too. Keep up the good work and farting in the elevator - its really clever. Still love your stuff though, even if it (as you admit) smells. Finally, please remember that no-one (but yourself) is forcing you to log on and/or read my posts. So on that matter perhaps you're the author of your own misfortune that you're both crying and farting about. Or perhaps BoxingScene is better suited for you, hardly anyone thinks/checks there before posting/hating. But you know what? Despite it all and no matter what anyone says, I still think you're alright and know you're playing for the high morale ground with someone whose only crime is being one step ahead. See how - for the basic stuff - I kept it to only a few sentences? The more complex stuff, I ramp up to double or triple, and I think that's the stuff you should (in the future) skip over; unless of course (which doesn't bother me either) you wish to continue with the same flawed and selective ""no-one writes more about Pac than Storm"" approach, of which I corrected for you just to show how much I know you need help. Great stuff. Sorry the truth, whether it's about Pac or anyone else, is not always comfortable. Keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real eh? :) :)


-stormcentre :

Here is "factual" - Your just as biased as anyone here but you pretend not to be. That's also "accurate". (See how I kept it to only 2 sentences?) There is nothing "positive" about what you post. Also a factual and accurate statement. The saying "making a mole hill into a mountain" was coined just for you. And lastly. You literally take all of the fun out of this forum with the long winded, rambling attacks on anyone who dares say anything about Floyd and his status. One more fact. I drop comments like farts in an elevator. Your the one sitting in it and enjoying it cuz I done left!! Ramble away. I won't see it unless it's by accident (like this one) LMAO!!!
OK "M". Thanks for that insight. Glad you're having fun too. Keep up the good work and farting in the elevator - its really clever. Still love your stuff though, even if it (as you admit) smells. However, please remember that no-one (but yourself) is forcing you to log on and/or read my posts. So on that matter perhaps you're the author of your own misfortune that you're both crying and farting about. Or perhaps BoxingScene is better suited for you, as hardly anyone thinks/checks there before posting/hating. But you know what? Despite it all and no matter what anyone says, I still think you're alright and know you're playing for the high morale ground with someone whose only crime is being one step ahead. See how - for the basic stuff - I (too) kept it to only a few sentences? The more complex stuff, I ramp up to double or triple, and I think that's the stuff you should (in the future) skip over; unless of course (which doesn't bother me either) you wish to continue with the same flawed and selective ""no-one writes more about Pac than Storm"" approach, of which I corrected for you just to show how much I am prepared to help you. Great stuff. Finally, sorry the truth, whether it's about Pac or anyone else, is not always as comfortable for you as the content which regularly goes down overlooked. Keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real eh? :) :)


-stormcentre :

Here is "factual" - Your just as biased as anyone here but you pretend not to be. That's also "accurate". (See how I kept it to only 2 sentences?) There is nothing "positive" about what you post. Also a factual and accurate statement. The saying "making a mole hill into a mountain" was coined just for you. And lastly. You literally take all of the fun out of this forum with the long winded, rambling attacks on anyone who dares say anything about Floyd and his status. One more fact. I drop comments like farts in an elevator. Your the one sitting in it and enjoying it cuz I done left!! Ramble away. I won't see it unless it's by accident (like this one) LMAO!!!
OK "M". Thanks for that insight. Glad you're having fun too. Keep up the good work and farting in the elevator - its really clever. Still love your stuff though, even if it (as you admit) smells. However, please remember that no-one (but yourself) is forcing you to log on and/or read my posts. So on that matter perhaps you're the author of your own misfortune that you're both crying and farting about. Or perhaps BoxingScene is better suited for you, as hardly anyone thinks/checks there before posting/hating. But you know what? Despite it all and no matter what anyone says, I still think you're alright and know you're playing for the high morale ground with someone whose only crime is being one step ahead. See how - for the basic stuff - I (too) kept it to only a few sentences? The more complex stuff, I ramp up to double or triple, and I think that's the stuff you should (in the future) skip over; unless of course (which doesn't bother me either) you wish to continue with the same flawed and selective ""no-one writes more about Pac than Storm"" approach, of which I corrected for you just to show how much I am prepared to help you. Great stuff. Finally, sorry the truth, whether it's about Pac or anyone else, is not always as comfortable for you as the content which (includes blatant/rampant lying and bullying that) often goes down here overlooked - not even receiving 1/10th of the (questionable) negative airplay that the so called "terrible and long and/or overly accurate/truthful post" complaint laughably gets. Interesting priorities. Keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real eh? :) :)


-stormcentre :

Here is "factual" - Your just as biased as anyone here but you pretend not to be. That's also "accurate". (See how I kept it to only 2 sentences?) There is nothing "positive" about what you post. Also a factual and accurate statement. The saying "making a mole hill into a mountain" was coined just for you. And lastly. You literally take all of the fun out of this forum with the long winded, rambling attacks on anyone who dares say anything about Floyd and his status. One more fact. I drop comments like farts in an elevator. Your the one sitting in it and enjoying it cuz I done left!! Ramble away. I won't see it unless it's by accident (like this one) LMAO!!!
OK "M". Thanks for that insight. Glad you're having fun too. Keep up the good work and farting in the elevator - its really clever. Still love your stuff though, even if it (as you admit) smells. However, please remember that no-one (but yourself) is forcing you to log on and/or read my posts. So on that matter perhaps you're the author of your own misfortune that you're both crying and farting about. Or perhaps BoxingScene is better suited for you, as hardly anyone thinks/checks there before posting/hating. But you know what? Despite it all and no matter what anyone says, I still think you're alright and know you're playing for the high morale ground with someone whose only crime is being one step ahead. See how - for the basic stuff - I (too) kept it to only a few sentences? The more complex stuff, I ramp up to double or triple, and I think that's the stuff you should (in the future) skip over; unless of course (which doesn't bother me either) you wish to continue with the same flawed and selective ""no-one writes more about Pac than Storm"" approach, of which I corrected for you just to show how much I am prepared to help you. Great stuff. Despite how it may prove just how much lying is in abundance whether or not it's used to bully and/or unfairly attack; for your sake and to be nice I deliberately have not included links to all the hundreds (actually more than 100) of positive and extremely well received posts I have (contrary to your above posts questionable and attacking claims) authored, and I have also left out links to the many, many emails (more than 200 now) and positive feedback I receive; that all thank me for bringing a new, sound, accountable, detailed, and accurate perspective to what is - to use one congratulatory email author's own words - usually opinionated bias that often disintegrates into chest beating if challenged in the slightest. I have also left out links to other posters posts that - over the course of more than a year - openly attack anyone and ramble absolute rubbish (of which more than 95% has been shown to be untrue) in the event it seemed they even dared to think Floyd was anything other than running scared of Pac, and that the Salt Water Jesus Pac was doing anything other than abstaining from PEDs (wrong) and knocking Floyd out (wrong) when Floyd finally found his (assumed missing) stones to sign the (non-existent) contract and fight Pacquiao; that you have also overlooked when making your above claim pertaining to attacking people whom may not agree with a certain point of view. Ah, selective perception, it's a wonderful thing. And with that said, naturally, I will leave it up to both you and the silent majority to consider whether it was really worth it on your part to misleadingly comment on me both in post #12 of this thread (which started the ball rolling here) and also (where it all started for you) in the thread where you jumped in so fast and claimed I was bashing baby dolphins that in your short emailed haste you also completely (conveniently?) overlooked the real matter at hand, and in doing so were not only short sighted - but also motivated others to jump in whom - after thinking their efforts may make them popular - actually ended up making the same mistakes and getting get themselves in a horribly embarrassing situation; by simply not understanding all the nuances of how, why, and when Floyd rejected the Pac-proposed $5M limit for a positive MayPac PED test. Additionally, (aside from how it seems fine to, week in/out, regularly rubbish and bag Floyd on untruthful, shaky, unsubstantiated, and hypocritical foundations particularly when compared to Pac - and aside from how just 1/10th of the same treatment {albeit with facts} directed towards Pac is strangely unacceptable and treated to all manner of descriptors that could easily apply to how Floyd is spoken of - and aside from how absolutely obvious episodes of rampant and longstanding lying, some used to round up the troops and bully, somehow always manages to escape the same high powered perception as {your} unreliable critique of my accurate posts - and aside from how none of your critique accurately details precisely just what it is that is incorrect and unreliable in my posts; meaning you are prepared to accept the things you complain of when it suits you) I am sure you too receive congratulatory and support emails just like me, as your posts are all positive, reliable, and never questionable. They can't be otherwise you would be a carping hypocrite, and we know that's not the case. OK, that's almost enough "rambling" truth and facts from me, I don't wan't to have everyone gang up on me and try to get me banned for telling it like it is. With so many overlooked facts, hypocrisy, and questionable claims no wonder dissecting and explaining the truth - let alone boxing - takes more than a few lines. Best not to consider that though, as then there's no justification for overlooking the catalyst for, and complaining about, the long/accurate posts that tell the whole story. Finally, "M", I'm sorry the truth, whether it's about Pac or anyone else, is not always as comfortable for you as the content which (includes blatant/rampant lying and bullying that) often goes down here overlooked - not even receiving 1/10th of the (questionable) negative airplay that the so called "evil, terrible, long, and/or overly accurate/truthful Storm post" complaint laughably gets. Interesting priorities. Anyway, with that all said, above is a few "facts" for you - enjoy the actuality of the reality, and remember . . . . . Keep it Snoop Doggy Dog Dog real eh? :) :)