Hey Bob Arum, Do You Ever Watch PBC Events?

I was curious, does he ever watch these PBC events?

Bob Arum, 83, the Brooklyn-born dealmaker who started in this sphere in 1966, and has taken the reins as the standard-bearer of the fight promotion business about 15 years ago, after being neck and neck with Don King, chatted with TSS about all matters, like what’s next for Pacquiao, the Boxing After Dark card on June 13…and Haymon Boxing.

Arum, you might know, is not so much of a fan. He said he hated dealing with Haymon up to and during the #MayPac promotion…but, he said, he could do it again if it meant he could help put together a rematch between the Congressman and TBE.

“Yeah, I’ve watched one or two. I watched the DeGale fight with Dirrell, because I like DeGale, nice kid, nice family,” Arum said.He has the opportunity to tune in again, on Saturday night, on NBC, when Adrien Broner sees if Shawn Porter is a problem, or there is a solution for the stockier rumbler in this Best of the Buckeye state clash.

I told Bob we fans like more boxing on TV, but said that I think the jury remains out on the PBC experiment/experience, because we all crave A side versus A side fights, and I’ve seen more A side vs. B side events than I thought I would, being that I thought Haymon would more so use the “the fight is the star, the attraction,” not the fighter model, a bit more like what UFC does. (But then again I’m not sure fans are ready for that model, as they seem to be inclined to dismiss a boxer as a fraud so often when he loses for the first time, so it is a complicated issue, arguably.)

The jury really isn’t out for Arum; he thinks the Haymon model, pay to play, putting out money to secure platforms, is hurtful to the sport. “I think it’s very, very harmful for boxing, in the sense that you give away the product, you pay to put it on. That sends a very, very bad message,” he told me.

Arum like all of us doesn’t know the sustainability of the output of cash flowing out to put together this rapid-fire flurry of cards. He said he thinks the pending suit put together by Oscar De La Hoya, with Bernard Hopkins added as an accuser, will have Haymon in hot water. Arum said he thinks a case can be made that an anti-trust issue will speak to a judge, which I didn’t quite comprehend, because I see plenty of other competition still functioning. Arum said that anti-trust in this case means that Haymon “turns off the spigot” of available places to put content on TV, and that’s a no-no, in his deliberation.

Of course, the courts will weigh in and their decision is all that matters. And also of course, we know the wheels of justice grind ever so slowly in such matters…so I guess that proverbial jury will remain out for a longer spell.

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COMMENTS

-Bernie Campbell :

Bob Arum is a poor example to the kids and young fighters coming up, he didnt have the onions to critisize Chavez jr. for smoking pot on the national television screen and instead downplayed it as a less than minor indiscretion! What kickback did he get? Who paid him for the advertisement? Would he like his daughter to be a pothead? Dude should have been hined and quartered!


-deepwater2 :

The PBC money will run out unless they make better fights( unless it's just a money laundering scheme). Seriously ,I think most people expected better match ups than what they have putting out there. 1 good fight for every 10 is not a good thing at all. Arum watches or gets reports on the Pbc because it is his competition. I am sure he is not worried at all. I think this Broner vs Dehydrated zombie Porter should get a lot of viewers. The other PBC cards ,even though free, have not done well at all.


-stormcentre :

Arum himself has a pretty good dose of sociopathic sa-voir-faire wrapped up in his words. The guy is about as shrewd and controlling as you get. I don't dislike him, but I would be very careful dealing with him contractually and otherwise. Haymon may be just as bad whom knows. All I know is that for decades boxing and all outlets of it, including this and other sites claimed - for one reason or another - that boxing needed to get back to the good old days when it was on free-to-air TV; if for no other reason then for the fighters. Now Haymon has done that and admittedly his match-ups do appear as skewed as his need to protect his investment; of which there seems to be a lot of speculation about. That said, Haymons match-ups are not necessarily any more predictable than many of Top Rank and Bob Arum's work over the last decade; as some of them have had outcomes that have been obvious before the fighters walked to the ring - Chavez Jr. Haymon - amongst a world of criticism - is trying and spending big to do it. I am not saying he's right or wrong, but the lawsuits referred to in Woodsy's piece will not help him or boxing in my opinion. They may, however, assist and favor both Golden Boy and Top Rank to clear the boxing landscape (from Haymon and PBC) and return it back to what it once was; where spectators - in order to see a decent fight - had to pay questionable PPV Benjamins, and complain. We're a fickle bunch. In any event big up to Woodsy as this is a good piece and something we need to follow. It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out; 2, perhaps 3, versions of boxing sociopathic and Satanical beings fighting for the right to a slice demonic real estate the each feels is too small to accommodate all. Mike, I recon you should next go to Kathy Duva and get a woman's view on all this uncontained swinging dick that Top Prank, Golden Girl and PBC are exhibiting. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Arum himself has a pretty good dose of sociopathic sa-voir-faire wrapped up in his words. The guy is about as shrewd and controlling as you get. I don't dislike him, but I would be very careful dealing with him contractually and otherwise. Haymon may be just as bad whom knows. All I know is that for decades boxing and all outlets of it, including this and other sites claimed - for one reason or another - that boxing needed to get back to the good old days when it was on free-to-air TV; if for no other reason then for the fighters. Now Haymon has done that and admittedly his match-ups do appear as skewed as his need to protect his investment; of which there seems to be a lot of speculation about. That said, Haymons match-ups are not necessarily any more predictable than many of Top Rank and Bob Arum's work over the last decade; as some of them have had outcomes that have been obvious before the fighters walked to the ring - Chavez Jr. Haymon - amongst a world of criticism - is trying and spending big to do it. I am not saying he's right or wrong, but the lawsuits referred to in Woodsy's piece will not help him or boxing in my opinion. They may, however, assist and favor both Golden Boy and Top Rank to clear the boxing landscape (from Haymon and PBC) and return it back to what it once was; where spectators - in order to see a decent fight - had to pay questionable PPV Benjamins, and complain. We're a fickle bunch. In any event big up to Woodsy as this is a good piece and something we need to follow. It's going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out; 2, perhaps 3, versions of boxing sociopathic and Satanical beings fighting for the right to a slice demonic real estate the each feels is too small to accommodate all. Mike, I recon you should next go to Kathy Duva and get a woman's view on all this uncontained swinging dick that Top Prank, Golden Girl and PBC are exhibiting. :) :)


-Pazuzu :

I wouldn't blame Arum if he didn't watch PBC events, because most of the matchups I've seen have not been very good, not to mention the sub-par production values and coverage teams (Commish and Gentlemen Gerry excepted, of course). But, given his vested financial interest, I'm sure Arum gets better coverage on the PBC matchups than any of us here. Anyway, Bob Arum still gets the Pazuzu Boxing Award of the Week, just for reintroducing the term "stumblebum" into the lexicon. Liebling would be proud. [URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=neJDazwNOPk[/URL]


-stormcentre :

Yep, I agree. Arum would watch PBC's product and see what production quality (or lack of it) Haymon is putting together. To not do so is akin to disregarding your competition, and I don't Arum got where he is because of that practice. :)


-SouthPawFlo :

PBC has been pretty good to me... It's free and it's been some pretty good scraps on there.... Garcia Vs Peterson Quillin vs Lee Khan vs Algeri Guerrero vs Thurman And hopefully Porter vs Broner can be added to the list... These are "premium television" fights on for free, you can't argue with that...