Any Progress on Mayweather-Golovkin?

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So it is silly season in boxing, that being, time for us to obsess about who Floyd will fight next…

Candidates' names are being tossed around like …. Broner-Porter winner, Kell Brook, Andre Berto, Karim Mayfield, Amir Khan, Oscar De La Hoya…and what about the person who represents the most logical choice, Gennady Golovkin?

The middleweight ace concedes that he might be too powerful for TBE Mayweather at 160, so he's willing to carve and starve down to 154, to even the playing field for Mayweather.

How about it, is there any blue sky to be seen?

I asked Golovkins' promoter, Tom Loeffler, for an update: have there been any Mayweather-Golovkin talks for Floyd's next date, Sept. 12?

“Gennady has always said he'd go down to 154 to fight Floyd, and Floyd has two titles there, interestingly for people who say he's just a welterweight,” Loeffler told me. “But as for talking to Al Haymon, or a Haymon person about this, no, I haven't.”

And yes, Loeffler has dealt with Haymon before, as his guy Jonathan Banks met Haymon boxer Seth Mitchell twice. They have conferred and done dealing together. “That fight wouldn't be too hard to figure out,” Loeffler said.

So, no, no blue sky, Golovkin fans, sorry…

As for Gennady's next, Loeffler said he will next fight in the fall. But of course, if Floyd threw a curveball and said yes to Triple G, Sept. 12 would be the date and the MGM the place. But if not, September, October, it's too early to tell…

Carl Froch at 168 was lead dog to get a Golovkin crack, but he's playing footsie with retirement, so that is seemingly off the table. The winner of Saturdays' David Lemieux vs. Hassan N'Dam 160 tussle in Montreal will get a hard look, I think. “The winner would be in the running to fight Gennady,” Loeffler said. He likes the bomber vs boxer matchup, with Lemieux being the hard cracker and N'Dam being the crafty sort.

Another name in the mix is Top Rank's up n comer Gilberto “Zurdo” Ramirez, a 31-0 light heavy who fights June 26 on Tru. The 23-year-old Mexican lefty is handsome, can fight more than a bit, and is getting a heavy push by Team Arum…so that would be a curveball addition of a possibility to the mix for Golovkins' next.

Finished Loeffler: “But if Floyd called and said let's do it, we'd be fighting September twelfth..but I'm not holding my breath, like guys Amir Khan are.”

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-Radam G :

Lil Floyd is not calling 3g. Lil Floyd rather talk syet about it, instead of being 'bout it-'bout it! Holla!


-Gabrielito :

Mayweather has been mentioning Golovkin's name in interviews at fight hype, and throwing 148, 150 around as a catchweight. Not sure how much he wants that fight based on this news. I'm not sure why Floyd gets a pass for not seeking out a middleweight title, on the grounds that he started as a (big) Jr. Lightweight. Toney and Jones won titles 30 + lbs over their debut weights. Yes both HOF'ers are a bit taller but they're also not calling themselves The Best Ever. They were about proving it.


-Froggy :

Mayweather wouldn't even fight the winner if the IBF middleweight title fight in Montreal without a catchweight !


-deepwater2 :

Floyd has slim pickings. Of course we want Lil Floyd vs Triple at 154 but it's on Floyd, which means he ain't fighting no damn giant. I think tsAH was hoping Quillin would be victorious against Lee ,that's why all that money was spent on Quiilin dumping the belt and such. So that Floyd would face Quillin for the middleweight belt. Lil Floyd would fight and beat Quillin at 160. Cotto is not with tsAH ,and will demand respect and a lot of money from Floyd. Not sure roc nation Cotto will give up too much to make the Floyd fight. I think Floyd's people read this site, and know that a Triple is what fans demand. Floyd is bringing up and dismissing GGG because he has to at this point. Floyd vs triple G at 152!!!


-Gabrielito :

Hadn't thought about the Quillin move like that Deepwater, but makes more sense than anything they've offered. Martinez (before retirement), Quillin, Jacobs ...none of them even say GGG's name. They all know that HBO backs him and will pay them fat. We all saw Cotto's reaction when asked about GGG. Floyd would rather avoid him for the same reason he avoided Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. They were both middleweights making 147.


-Domenic :

I'd love to see this fight at 160, for the middleweight title. When Leonard fought Hagler, it was at 160, not 154. Ray hadn't fought in 3 years, and his previous fight to Hagler was a sour effort at 147. He had never sniffed 160 - until Hagler. The Leonard-Hagler example, and many others, have been written about widely in the last month, so I'll not beat on that horse anymore. Good points have been made on both sides. Those against the fight have said Floyd is literally risking life and limb by taking the fight (a wonderful compliment to GGG). They say Floyd is too small, he walks around soaking wet at 148 or something. Those in favor of the fight have said this is a historic, legacy fight for Floyd. A fight that his great predecessors sought time and time again. And if he lost, he'd gain more in losing than in beating ANY other fighter out there. When he maligns Golovkin's opposition, that's a red herring. Golovkin is undefeated, a critical requirement that Floyd has often cited in the past when discussing opponents, and Gennady is at the top of the sport - right now. He's the most talked about, intriguing, move-the-needle-by-what-he-does-in-the-ring, must watch guy in all of boxing. People rarely yawn watching this guy ply his trade. And let's not forget, Floyd himself has said that he believes he'd win, due to being thoroughly unimpressed with Golovkin, with the exception of his power. Floyd's a master boxer and technician, so he should be able to coast to a 119-109 3x's type decision if it happened. Even his old man said Floyd would beat him (but then added, as Deep said, that 'we ain't fighting no giant though'). I promise you if this fight happened, none of his out of the ring nonsense would ever be discussed. The discussion would be a collective ode to Floyd for chasing greatness. He'd be viewed in a new light completely, and his TBE stock would skyrocket.


-Domenic :

I'd love to see this fight at 160, for the middleweight title. When Leonard fought Hagler, it was at 160, not 154. Ray hadn't fought in 3 years, and his previous fight to Hagler was a sour effort at 147. He had never sniffed 160 - until Hagler. The Leonard-Hagler example, and many others, have been written about widely in the last month, so I'll not beat on that horse anymore. Good points have been made on both sides. Those against the fight have said Floyd is literally risking life and limb by taking the fight (a wonderful compliment to GGG). They say Floyd is too small, he walks around soaking wet at 148 or something. Those in favor of the fight have said this is a historic, legacy fight for Floyd. A fight that his great predecessors sought time and time again. And if he lost, he'd gain more in losing than in beating ANY other fighter out there. When he maligns Golovkin's opposition, that's a red herring. Golovkin is undefeated, a critical requirement that Floyd has often cited in the past when discussing opponents, and Gennady is at the top of the sport - right now. He's the most talked about, intriguing, move-the-needle-by-what-he-does-in-the-ring, must watch guy in all of boxing. People rarely yawn watching this guy ply his trade. And let's not forget, Floyd himself has said that he believes he'd win, due to being thoroughly unimpressed with Golovkin, with the exception of his power. Floyd's a master boxer and technician, so he should be able to coast to a 119-109 3x's type decision if it happened. Even his old man said Floyd would beat him (but then added, as Deep said, that 'we ain't fighting no giant though'). I promise you if this fight happened, none of his out of the ring nonsense would ever be discussed. The discussion would be a collective ode to Floyd for chasing greatness. He'd be viewed in a new light completely, and his TBE stock would skyrocket. And if he won the fight, and beat Golovkin, as he's declared he would? It's the absolute crowning achievement of his career. Silences the naysayers. it's bigger than Leonard over Hagler, and we all know how big that is, historically.


-Froggy :

With all due respect Leonard did not beat Hagler, the judges beat Hagler !


-Pazuzu :

I'd love to see this fight at 160, for the middleweight title. When Leonard fought Hagler, it was at 160, not 154. Ray hadn't fought in 3 years, and his previous fight to Hagler was a sour effort at 147. He had never sniffed 160 - until Hagler. The Leonard-Hagler example, and many others, have been written about widely in the last month, so I'll not beat on that horse anymore. Good points have been made on both sides. Those against the fight have said Floyd is literally risking life and limb by taking the fight (a wonderful compliment to GGG). They say Floyd is too small, he walks around soaking wet at 148 or something. Those in favor of the fight have said this is a historic, legacy fight for Floyd. A fight that his great predecessors sought time and time again. And if he lost, he'd gain more in losing than in beating ANY other fighter out there. When he maligns Golovkin's opposition, that's a red herring. Golovkin is undefeated, a critical requirement that Floyd has often cited in the past when discussing opponents, and Gennady is at the top of the sport - right now. He's the most talked about, intriguing, move-the-needle-by-what-he-does-in-the-ring, must watch guy in all of boxing. People rarely yawn watching this guy ply his trade. And let's not forget, Floyd himself has said that he believes he'd win, due to being thoroughly unimpressed with Golovkin, with the exception of his power. Floyd's a master boxer and technician, so he should be able to coast to a 119-109 3x's type decision if it happened. Even his old man said Floyd would beat him (but then added, as Deep said, that 'we ain't fighting no giant though'). I promise you if this fight happened, none of his out of the ring nonsense would ever be discussed. The discussion would be a collective ode to Floyd for chasing greatness. He'd be viewed in a new light completely, and his TBE stock would skyrocket. And if he won the fight, and beat Golovkin, as he's declared he would? It's the absolute crowning achievement of his career. Silences the naysayers. it's bigger than Leonard over Hagler, and we all know how big that is, historically.
Great post, Domenic. Pretty much says it all.


-stormcentre :

Well if ever there was a thread title to get the effervescence bubbling within the forum's lemonade this is it. I actually think Floyd could do it at the right weight, but can’t see the cash or the promotional storyline in it for everyone, yet. At least not until Gennady Golovkin fights and/or beats Alvarez or Cotto, and in doing so raises his profile and also gives TMT a good investigative look at how to best deal with Gennady. That shouldn’t stop everyone for - in the meantime - thinking Floyd is weak, pathetic, ducking, and unproven, and thus deriving pleasure from that activity; round and round it goes like a stylus forever stuck in one groove of a record. OK, I gotta go, I have just received an urgent call and been asked to take a look at someone’s broken record player; Pacquaio fan club. Just kidding. Take it easy. Enjoy the ride. :) :)


-SouthPawFlo :

I still think GGG is not Marketable enough yet... It'll be a good scrap for sure, but the average boxing fan probably wouldn't even be able to pronounce his name or name anyone he's beaten... "You talking about the guy who beat, Willie Monroe?" imagine that


-stormcentre :

:)


-Domenic :

I still think GGG is not Marketable enough yet... It'll be a good scrap for sure, but the average boxing fan probably wouldn't even be able to pronounce his name or name anyone he's beaten... "You talking about the guy who beat, Willie Monroe?" imagine that
I respectfully disagree. Golovkin is as marketable as anyone. He's a supreme athlete, at the absolute top of his game. Respects the sport, himself, his opponent, etc. He's a boxing Stephan Curry. Elite athlete. I think he's great for the sport, and if the average fan, who spends on boxing once a decade, doesn't know him, who cares. I know swaths of people that are mainly NFL fans, but know who Golovkin is (pronounce it wrong, but know the cat they're referring to). Golovkin has made major headway with his strategy of fighting often, and blasting guys out spectacularly. I'm a fan, and can't wait until he's in a war, which will happen. Mortcola said he thinks he'll be tested soon, within 3-4 fights, and it's hard to disagree. Floyd will make an enormous sum. Plus legacy. Plus silencing the doubters. We'll see.


-Domenic :

I still think GGG is not Marketable enough yet... It'll be a good scrap for sure, but the average boxing fan probably wouldn't even be able to pronounce his name or name anyone he's beaten... "You talking about the guy who beat, Willie Monroe?" imagine that
I respectfully disagree. Golovkin is as marketable as anyone. He's a supreme athlete, at the absolute top of his game. Respects the sport, himself, his opponent, etc. He's a boxing Stephan Curry. Elite athlete. I think he's great for the sport, and if the average fan, who spends on boxing once a decade, doesn't know him, who cares. I know swaths of people that are mainly NFL fans, but know who Golovkin is (pronounce it wrong, but know the cat their referring to).


-deepwater2 :

Triple is selling out arenas, getting high viewership on HBO,and has Mexicans supporting him and selling his T-shirts at tail gate parties. I like fight! Mexican style. He is a good boy.Big drama show. Triple is more marketable than china chin Khan,Thurman,and brook. Only Canelo and Cotto rate higher.


-Pazuzu :

'Good Boy' is apparently showing his fangs. Not totally surprising, because you know he has it inside him, but this is the real predator style. much appreciated to anyone around here who can confirm/validate the original source in Russian.
->http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward


-stormcentre :

The article has - perhaps unsurprisingly - simply been translated with some web-language converter or similar. Golovkin is a rising star and he is marketable. But he is not marketable enough yet in PPV numbers and those that TMT and Showtime currently enjoy, look at, and prefer; period. He is getting there. But Loefller and Sanchez know this and that's why they're - perhaps cleverly - looking for fights with truly credible opponents (for how good 3G is and is claimed to be) and ones that bring either Cotto's and/or Alvarez' fan base with them. If you check the PPV and other dollar numbers you will see that the fights Money May and Showtime are looking for - whether it's right, wrong, or another "Haymon made travesty for boxing - are currently beyond the reach of 3G. So when you add to it the danger of Floyd facing him, they have - at least - the PPV and other above-mentioned numbers to call out as a whole or part reason for not taking the fight; if indeed they do not accept the challenge. Previously when I highlighted the truth about Pac some thought I hated him; not the case. Please don't apply the same logic here as I probably "like" 3G more than Floyd, even though the above - as far as I am concerned - still stands. Gennady needs to and should start fighting (really) top guys and 168 pounders at that, then the case for Floyd not fighting him becomes slimmer. 3G could easily compete at 168 without impairing his ability to come down to 154 to fight Floyd. :) :)


-stormcentre :

The article has - perhaps unsurprisingly - simply been translated with some web-language converter or similar. Golovkin is a rising star and he is marketable. He did almost, if not completely, sell out Inglewood 12,600 seat arena; as it was configured then for him. And, he pulled just over 9,000 fans to Carson's Stub Hub Centre when he stopped Marco Antonio Rubio. Apparently they had to put in a few hundred extra seats for that fight. That said, 3G is not a huge PPV success; yet. He is clearly marketable, but not enough yet in PPV numbers and also those that both TMT and Showtime currently enjoy, look to achieve, and prefer; period. He is getting there. But Loefller and Sanchez know this and that's why they're - perhaps cleverly - looking for fights with truly credible opponents (for how good 3G is and is claimed to be) and ones that bring either Cotto's and/or Alvarez' fan base with them. If you check the PPV and other dollar numbers you will see that the fights Money May and Showtime are looking for - whether it's right, wrong, or another "Haymon made travesty for boxing - are currently beyond the reach of 3G. So when you add to it the danger of Floyd facing him, they have - at least - the PPV and other above-mentioned numbers to call out as a whole or part reason for not taking the fight; if indeed they do not accept the challenge. Previously when I highlighted the truth about Pac some thought I hated him; not the case. I was just being objective and truthful as the lack of accurate answers on the hard questions/issues showed. Please don't apply the same logic here, as I probably "like" 3G more than Floyd, even though the above - as far as I am concerned - still stands. Gennady needs to and should start fighting (really) top guys and (himself move up as he ahs stated to) 168 pounders at that; then the case for Floyd not fighting him becomes much, much slimmer. 3G could easily compete at 168 without impairing his ability to come down to 154 to fight Floyd. Problem (or benefit) is with all this, unless Floyd fought Gennady at the light middleweight limit and without a catch-weight, the masses would simply complain about that if he won; so there's another reason that there is probably very little incentive for Floyd. Look at it from Floyd's perspective; why would he - at the tail end of his career and when he's 38 with supposedly shot legs and dead easy to hit with body shots - seek to; please people that dislike him, take on more risk, and earn less doing it - when not only has he already fought Alvarez and Pac as a result of demand, and that still didn't make everyone happy - but no matter who he fights next, or even if he doesn't fight, Floyd's legacy is more in tact than Roy Jones. I don't know a modern day fighter that, if they were in Floyd's shoes, would do what people are asking Floyd to do right now. :) :)


-stormcentre :

The article has - perhaps unsurprisingly - simply been translated with some web-language converter or similar. Golovkin is a rising star and he is marketable. He did almost, if not completely, sell out Inglewood 12,600 seat arena; as it was configured then for him. And, he pulled just over 9,000 fans to Carson's Stub Hub Centre when he stopped Marco Antonio Rubio. Apparently they had to put in a few hundred extra seats for that fight. That said, 3G is not a huge PPV success; yet. He is clearly marketable, but not enough yet in PPV numbers and also those that both TMT and Showtime currently enjoy, look to achieve, and prefer; period. He is getting there. Loefller and Sanchez know this and that's why they're - perhaps cleverly - looking for fights with truly credible opponents (for how good 3G is and is claimed to be) and ones that bring either Cotto's and/or Alvarez' fan base with them. If you check the PPV and other dollar numbers you will see that the fights Money May and Showtime are looking for - whether it's right, wrong, or another "Haymon made travesty for boxing" - are currently beyond the reach of 3G. So when you add to it the danger of Floyd facing him, they have - at least - the PPV and other above-mentioned numbers to call out as a whole or part reason for not taking the fight; if indeed they do not accept the challenge. Previously when I highlighted the truth about Pac some thought I hated him; not the case. I was just being objective and truthful as the lack of accurate answers on the hard questions/issues showed. Please don't apply the same logic here, as I probably "like" 3G more than Floyd, even though the above - as far as I am concerned - still stands. Gennady needs to and should start fighting (really) top guys and (himself move up as he ahs stated to) 168 pounders at that; then the case for Floyd not fighting him becomes much, much slimmer. 3G could easily compete at 168 without impairing his ability to come down to 154 to fight Floyd. Problem (or benefit) is with all this, unless Floyd fought Gennady at the light middleweight limit and without a catch-weight, the masses would simply complain about that if he won; so there's another reason that there is probably very little incentive for Floyd. Look at it from Floyd's perspective; why would he - at the tail end of his career and when he's 38 with supposedly shot legs and dead easy to hit with body shots - seek to; please people that dislike him, take on more risk, and earn less doing it - when not only has he already fought Alvarez and Pac as a result of demand, and that still didn't make everyone happy - but no matter who he fights next, or even if he doesn't fight, Floyd's legacy is more in tact than Roy Jones. I don't know a modern day fighter that, if they were in Floyd's shoes, would do what people are asking Floyd to do right now. :) :)


-stormcentre :

The article has - perhaps unsurprisingly - simply been translated with some web-language converter or similar. Golovkin is a rising star and he is marketable. He did almost, if not completely, sell out Inglewood 12,600 seat arena; as it was configured then for him. And, he pulled just over 9,000 fans to Carson's Stub Hub Centre when he stopped Marco Antonio Rubio. Apparently they had to put in a few hundred extra seats for that fight. That said, 3G is not a huge PPV success; yet. He is clearly marketable, but not enough yet in PPV numbers and also those that both TMT and Showtime currently enjoy, look to achieve, and prefer; period. He is getting there. Loefller and Sanchez know this and that's why they're - perhaps cleverly - looking for fights with truly credible opponents (for how good 3G is and is claimed to be) and ones that bring either Cotto's and/or Alvarez' fan base with them. If you check the PPV and other dollar numbers you will see that the fights Money May and Showtime are looking for - whether it's right, wrong, or another "Haymon made travesty for boxing" - are currently beyond the reach of 3G. So when you add to it the danger of Floyd facing him, they have - at least - the PPV and other above-mentioned numbers to call out as a whole or part reason for not taking the fight; if indeed they do not accept the challenge. Previously when I highlighted the truth about Pac some thought I hated him; not the case. I was just being objective and truthful as the lack of accurate answers on the hard questions/issues showed. Please don't apply the same logic here, as I probably "like" 3G more than Floyd, even though the above - as far as I am concerned - still stands. Gennady needs to and should start fighting (really) top guys and (himself move up as he ahs stated to) 168 pounders at that; then the case for Floyd not fighting him becomes much, much slimmer. 3G could easily compete at 168 without impairing his ability to come down to 154 to fight Floyd. Problem (or benefit) is with all this, unless Floyd fought Gennady at the light middleweight limit and without a catch-weight, the masses would simply complain about that if he won; so there's another reason that there is probably very little incentive for Floyd. Look at it from Floyd's perspective; why would he - at the tail end of his career and when he's 38 with supposedly shot legs and dead easy to hit with body shots - seek to; please people that dislike him, take on more risk, and earn less doing it - when not only has he already fought Alvarez and Pac as a result of demand, and that still didn't make everyone happy - but no matter who he fights next, or even if he doesn't fight, Floyd's legacy is more in tact than Roy Jones. I don't know a modern day fighter that, if they were in Floyd's shoes, would do what people are asking Floyd to do right now. :) :)


-amayseng :

Triple is selling out arenas, getting high viewership on HBO,and has Mexicans supporting him and selling his T-shirts at tail gate parties. I like fight! Mexican style. He is a good boy.Big drama show. Triple is more marketable than china chin Khan,Thurman,and brook. Only Canelo and Cotto rate higher.
Of course he IS very marketable, those who say he is not are those Floyd fans who are terrified of Floyd losing and are trying to find an out for a fighter whom they will never meet or care about them, though they feel like him winning is them winning, something, in some weird disturbing way. Floyd has titles at 154 and can easily weigh 155 and fight GGG for the LEGIT mw title. Floyd will not do it, which is a shame so he is putting out there the ol 148 BULLSHIT and all these sheep Floyd fans are running with it as if they don't have a brain. Any one who knows how training goes knows that when Floyd is running 7+ miles a day and spending hours upon hours in the gym burning thousands upon thousands of calories sure he may be around 150, but when he is not in camp he is closer to if not 160 or higher. The body can not sustain training camp activity 365 days a year, that is why camps are usually 6 weeks and sometimes even 8 can be too much on burning the body out. Pac weighed 152 on fight night and Floyd himself said that Pac was probably surprised how much bigger he was that Pac. You can clearly see during the fight Floyd is a bigger, wider and longer guy. Does this really have to be explained? Floyd will want at low cw and find a way out of fighting GGG. In Floyd's most anticipated and career defining fight against his all time rival he laid an EGG and bored both the hard core and non hardcore fans to death. It was an abysmal fight with Floyd anti fighting, clinching, bicycling away, holding and more holding. Hence, no one wants to buy his next fight so to sell it must be against someone who is exciting and will bring it, a prime fighter. Either way though does it really matter? Floyd does not care what anyone thinks and he already made his money, he will take something easy.


-amayseng :

'Good Boy' is apparently showing his fangs. Not totally surprising, because you know he has it inside him, but this is the real predator style. much appreciated to anyone around here who can confirm/validate the original source in Russian.
->http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/16/8788845/gennady-golovkin-blasts-andre-ward
As a proud father and man, I fear no man on this earth. However, I would not mess with or disrespect GGG unless my life was on the line. GGG is a monster hiding behind a smile while taking it easy on his opponents as he is knocking them out. Put the right fire in that guy and he will be looking to knock someone's head off, literally. Many have begun to mistake GGG's nice smile and kindness for weakness. He is a wolf hiding in sheep's clothing.


-Pazuzu :

As a proud father and man, I fear no man on this earth. However, I would not mess with or disrespect GGG unless my life was on the line. GGG is a monster hiding behind a smile while taking it easy on his opponents as he is knocking them out. Put the right fire in that guy and he will be looking to knock someone's head off, literally. Many have begun to mistake GGG's nice smile and kindness for weakness. He is a wolf hiding in sheep's clothing.
You are dead on right,'seng. Anyone who has read interviews with Golovkin about his childhood knows that this is a man who has been beating people with his fists almost every day of his life since he was in grade school. Think about that. 'Good Boy' aside, Golovkin is a man who knows he has a special talent for inflicting violence on other people, and at a very fundamental level, it is something in which he finds deep satisfaction and personal fulfillment. SOG better watch out.


-stormcentre :

Of course he IS very marketable, those who say he is not are those Floyd fans who are terrified of Floyd losing and are trying to find an out for a fighter whom they will never meet or care about them, though they feel like him winning is them winning, something, in some weird disturbing way. Floyd has titles at 154 and can easily weigh 155 and fight GGG for the LEGIT mw title.
(1) Floyd will not do it, which is a shame so he is putting out there the ol 148 BULLSHIT.
(2) and all these sheep Floyd fans are running with it as if they don't have a brain. Any one who knows how training goes knows that when Floyd is running 7+ miles a day and spending hours upon hours in the gym burning thousands upon thousands of calories sure he may be around 150, but when he is not in camp he is closer to if not 160 or higher. The body can not sustain training camp activity 365 days a year, that is why camps are usually 6 weeks and sometimes even 8 can be too much on burning the body out. Pac weighed 152 on fight night and Floyd himself said that Pac was probably surprised how much bigger he was that Pac. You can clearly see during the fight Floyd is a bigger, wider and longer guy. Does this really have to be explained? Floyd will want at low cw and find a way out of fighting GGG. In Floyd's most anticipated and career defining fight against his all time rival he laid an EGG and bored both the hard core and non hardcore fans to death. It was an abysmal fight with Floyd anti fighting, clinching, bicycling away, holding and more holding.
(3) Hence, no one wants to buy his next fight so to sell it must be against someone who is exciting and will bring it, a prime fighter.
(4) Either way though does it really matter?
(5) Floyd does not care what anyone thinks and he already made his money, he will take something easy.
Good post Amayseng. Even your following one that altered us t the fact you fear no man. I must admit you are braver than me, as there are a few people I fear and I have found it is not entirely unwise to know one's limitations. :) Anyway, I bet you feel better now.
(1) You may be right here. But then this is what you (and many others) said about the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight being made.
(2) At best this is not only a guess from someone with a track record that has not been entirely correct about Pacquaio or Floyd - but also a claim that provides inertia for the ensuing emotional claims.
(3) Floyd's next fight will sell big numbers and - as yours and others discussions about whom he should fight and lose to next clearly indicates - contrary to your claims, many people want to and will buy his next fight no matter (within reason) who it's against.
(4) No, as I have said before, it doesn't matter. You're right there, as Floyd's legacy is - as you and everyone else said it would be before he fought Pac when yawl said he won't sign the contract that PacTeam lied about - sealed even more so now that he has fought Pacquaio. Whether you, others, and even me like it or not Floyd will go down as one of the greats - perhaps even one whom was criticized more than other fighters that did what he did solely because he proved so many fans and people wrong, and in doing so frustrated them.
(5) You're right here too. Floyd does not care what anyone thinks and he already made his money, he will - just like overlooking many unpopular aspects of the MayPac fight and its lead up - take something easy. See, we agree !! But then you wouldn't know that as you are pretending to have me blocked. I still think you're cool though; whether you fear no man/woman or not. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Of course he IS very marketable, those who say he is not are those Floyd fans who are terrified of Floyd losing and are trying to find an out for a fighter whom they will never meet or care about them, though they feel like him winning is them winning, something, in some weird disturbing way. Floyd has titles at 154 and can easily weigh 155 and fight GGG for the LEGIT mw title.
(1) Floyd will not do it, which is a shame so he is putting out there the ol 148 BULLSHIT.
(2) and all these sheep Floyd fans are running with it as if they don't have a brain. Any one who knows how training goes knows that when Floyd is running 7+ miles a day and spending hours upon hours in the gym burning thousands upon thousands of calories sure he may be around 150, but when he is not in camp he is closer to if not 160 or higher. The body can not sustain training camp activity 365 days a year, that is why camps are usually 6 weeks and sometimes even 8 can be too much on burning the body out. Pac weighed 152 on fight night and Floyd himself said that Pac was probably surprised how much bigger he was that Pac. You can clearly see during the fight Floyd is a bigger, wider and longer guy. Does this really have to be explained? Floyd will want at low cw and find a way out of fighting GGG. In Floyd's most anticipated and career defining fight against his all time rival he laid an EGG and bored both the hard core and non hardcore fans to death. It was an abysmal fight with Floyd anti fighting, clinching, bicycling away, holding and more holding.
(3) Hence, no one wants to buy his next fight so to sell it must be against someone who is exciting and will bring it, a prime fighter.
(4) Either way though does it really matter?
(5) Floyd does not care what anyone thinks and he already made his money, he will take something easy.
Good post Amayseng. Even your following one that altered us to the fact you fear no man. I must admit you are braver than me, as there are a few people I fear and I have found it is not entirely unwise to know one's limitations. :) Anyway, I bet you feel better now.
(1) You may be right here. But then this is what you (and many others) said about the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight being made.
(2) At best this is not only a guess from someone with a track record that has not been entirely correct about Pacquaio or Floyd - but also a claim that provides inertia for the ensuing emotional claims.
(3) Floyd's next fight will sell big numbers and - as yours and others discussions about whom he should fight and lose to next clearly indicates - contrary to your claims, many people want to and will buy his next fight no matter (within reason) who it's against.
(4) No, as I have said before, it doesn't matter. You're right there, as Floyd's legacy is - as you and everyone else said it would be before he fought Pac when yawl said he won't sign the contract that PacTeam lied about - sealed even more so now that he has fought Pacquaio. Whether you, others, and even me like it or not Floyd will go down as one of the greats - perhaps even one whom was criticized more than other fighters that did what he did solely because he proved so many fans and people wrong, and in doing so frustrated them.
(5) You're right here too. Floyd does not care what anyone thinks and he already made his money, he will - just like overlooking many unpopular aspects of the MayPac fight and its lead up - take something easy. See, we agree !! But then you wouldn't know that as you are pretending to have me blocked. I still think you're cool though; whether you fear no man/woman or not. Finally, I'd like to see 3G beat a few current and legitimate world champions and/or decent contenders first (such as those we have listed here in this forum previously) as opposed to guys like Rubio and Monroe; otherwise if he fights Floyd - that is, in the event that Floyd is not be too scared and ducking - and loses, everyone will then say 3G wasn't ready or had a sore shoulder. Keep fearlessly smiling. :) :)


-amayseng :

You are dead on right,'seng. Anyone who has read interviews with Golovkin about his childhood knows that this is a man who has been beating people with his fists almost every day of his life since he was in grade school. Think about that. 'Good Boy' aside, Golovkin is a man who knows he has a special talent for inflicting violence on other people, and at a very fundamental level, it is something in which he finds deep satisfaction and personal fulfillment. SOG better watch out.
Even though Floyd is still the best fighter in the world, at 38 I think GGG is too much at 160 for him. GGG is just too good and too strong and the activity would be too much for Floyd. I also think an active and prime SOG at 168 is a toss up fight for me. I can see both guys using their extraordinary talents and imposing them each way to win. I just can not pick that fight though I would love to see it. I think if GGG gets Ward within a year he will be favored to win it, Ward has been shelved for far too long and it is difficult to gauge his prime until we see him in a few fights. What a shame he has been so inactive, he is a top lb guy.


-stormcentre :

I think Ward is (probably) going to be one of those guy like Floyd, that can have a long layoff and still return to former form. And that's because Ward has a reasonably complete - although not to the same extent Floyd has - repertoire of skills, and he stays in shape. For this reason, unless 3G gets to Ward before he sheds the ring rust, Ward will probably not only outsmart Gennady if they fight - but also turn his face into something resembling ground beef, as 3G comes in without a defence and tries to land supinated hooks from a distance Andre can work with. I think that - if Floyd must fight 3G to seal his legacy - so must Cotto, Pacquaio, and a few others. I also think - by the same above logic - 3G must fight Ward, and at least Froch, to seal his legacy. :) :)


-brownsugar :

Floyd can do what ever he wants, he's earned it. He soundly and comprehensively took Manny back to boxing 101, for me it was a supreme pleasure to watch,.... although I can sympathize with the grieving Pacfans who are still mourning their loss...... so the bar is being raised again for Floyd, the anti-fans thought Floyd would be exposed by Pac,....but instead Floyd exposed Pac's limitations by actually making Pac look like he was moving in slow motion. I'm surprised to see Floyd mouthing off at GGG on FightHype,..... says he could have showed Willie Monroe how to beat GGG, Im almost inclined to believe him except that its hard to teach exceptional skill to ordinary fighters. If that was the case his stable of boxers would be the best in the sport. Put them in the ring and half of them will repeat the same mistakes. What a curse it must be, to not have the ability of transferring your skills to ordinary boxers. However talented guys like Erroll Spence has completely devoured his experience with Floyd and is looking to challenge Keith Thurman for his title. It will be interesting to see if Floyd has imparted any pugilistic wisdom to Adrian Broner who will be participating in a can't miss barnburner on PBC this weekend. Floyd weighed less than Manny during their fight and is currently walking around between 148-150 according to a recent Floyd interview. Which is less than Nicholas Walters weighs after a fight( the former featherweight champ is at 154 just days after his fight with Mairaga)..... I believe him because there's nothing that pertains to boxing that he needs to lie about. ...and his 100% prediction rate and performances speak for themselves. Floyd still looks as devoid of body fat as he was in his last fight, probably because Floyd never stops moving,...if he's not jet setting around the world, attending award ceremonies or donating to charities, he's working tirelessly to pass on his gifts to the endless throng boxers who migrate, commute, and sojourn to his gym regularly from around the world. As a result the Mayweather gym has become a beehive of activity. A regular hub of excitement and the modern mecca of the boxing world. Sorry I'm rambling. But what of Floyd's recent ramblings regarding GGG??? Floyd says he can take GGG today at his current weight of 148-150lbs... If this is the case he should do it, but only if he wants to, talk without action is not enough proof for us die- hards......But TBE doesn't have to do anything except fight one more time and hang em up, critics be damned...lol.


-stormcentre :

Love it. Some great flipped scripts, unpopular, true, and funny lines there BS. One thing though . . . assuming the fight was boring (not just for those that backed the wrong horse and sore shoulder); surely this "must" be all Floyd's fault? It could not be Pac's in any way, shape, or form; could it? Naughty
Storm, I know. Keep rocking folks. :) :)


-amayseng :

Floyd can do what ever he wants, he's earned it. He soundly and comprehensively took Manny back to boxing 101, for me it was a supreme pleasure to watch,.... although I can sympathize with the grieving Pacfans who are still mourning their loss...... so the bar is being raised again for Floyd, the anti-fans thought Floyd would be exposed by Pac,....but instead Floyd exposed Pac's limitations by actually making Pac look like he was moving in slow motion. I'm surprised to see Floyd mouthing off at GGG on FightHype,..... says he could have showed Willie Monroe how to beat GGG, Im almost inclined to believe him except that its hard to teach exceptional skill to ordinary fighters. If that was the case his stable of boxers would be the best in the sport. Put them in the ring and half of them will repeat the same mistakes. What a curse it must be, to not have the ability of transferring your skills to ordinary boxers. However talented guys like Erroll Spence has completely devoured his experience with Floyd and is looking to challenge Keith Thurman for his title. It will be interesting to see if Floyd has imparted any pugilistic wisdom to Adrian Broner who will be participating in a can't miss barnburner on PBC this weekend. Floyd weighed less than Manny during their fight and is currently walking around between 148-150 according to a recent Floyd interview. Which is less than Nicholas Walters weighs after a fight( the former featherweight champ is at 154 just days after his fight with Mairaga)..... I believe him because there's nothing that pertains to boxing that he needs to lie about. ...and his 100% prediction rate and performances speak for themselves. Floyd still looks as devoid of body fat as he was in his last fight, probably because Floyd never stops moving,...if he's not jet setting around the world, attending award ceremonies or donating to charities, he's working tirelessly to pass on his gifts to the endless throng boxers who migrate, commute, and sojourn to his gym regularly from around the world. As a result the Mayweather gym has become a beehive of activity. A regular hub of excitement and the modern mecca of the boxing world. Sorry I'm rambling. But what of Floyd's recent ramblings regarding GGG??? Floyd says he can take GGG today at his current weight of 148-150lbs... If this is the case he should do it, but only if he wants to, talk without action is not enough proof for us die- hards......But TIBE doesn't have to do anything except fight one more time and hang em up, critics be damned...lol.
I do not get it. Give me Floyd vs Cotto and Floyd vs Canelo, those were beautiful fights to behold with the performances Floyd put on. The ghost was uneventful and the Floyd vs Pac was an absolute bore and more importantly a WASTE of a supreme fighter in Floyd who anti fought. Though some can not blame him with the counters Pac was landing on him all fight it made him very hesitant offensively. Go to youtube and watch some of the high lights slowed in Pacs favor Bsug and you will see many hard counter shots landing on Floyd. After that fourth round where Floyd was staggered and laid on the ropes like a novice just letting Pac punch away while he regained his senses, well I guess some can not blame him for playing beyond safe. Me, I expect a much better effort out of a talent like Floyd, I was supremely disappointed in him.


-brownsugar :

I have the DVD Amayseng watched it in high def 14 times. Pac couldn't even touch Floyd when he was laying on the ropes,....picked off everything except two body shots which had no effect. That's why Pac backed off, like hitting a brick wall, then he won the next round big....every body knows what they saw. Even Steve Farhood gave Pac only two rounds. Easy work.


-stormcentre :

Yep - I agree. I've watched the fight more than 10 times now too. And, save for a few of those good counters Pac got in on Floyd; Pac was largely ineffective - even when he had Floyd where he wanted him. I agree Floyd did not engage Pac as much as he could and I would have liked, and I also think the magnitude of the moment got to Floyd for a while there too. But in some ways Floyd still did as he pleased and exactly as he said; unlike Pac and team - whom repeatedly said that they knew Floyd, how he fights/runs, and his antics, and despite it all were totally prepared for everything and going to KO him. Floyd - I forget the round now - just snots Pac with lead left hooks and quite a spectacular array of shots; at times. Many, many times he just stands there right in front of Pac and Pac is the one not making the fight and/or pressing the action; then when Floyd moves Pac simply is unable to cut the ring off. Pac - for most of the fight - just can't cut the ring off, capitalize on when Floyd is on the ropes and staying there, and/or touch Floyd; as most experts, ring side observers, Froch, and many others agree. I do hope there's a rematch after Pac's shoulder has been operated on and healed; even though it now will probably forever be an excuse if he loses. As I reckon Floyd will use any second fight to just stamp - at least - the same seal (if not more) on both the outcome and his legacy. Particularly now Mayweather knows what Pacquaio is like. :) :)


-Domenic :

Good points all around. Golovkin is still trying to unify at middleweight, therefore that's why there's not a huge push for him to abandon 160 and go to 168 or higher. At least right now. Ward is great. But he's just returning after an eternal layoff; the Froch fight fell through after what appeared serious discussion to make it happen. It's absolutely a fair criticism of Golovkin, but I don't think there's any hard evidence he's overtly ducking guys. Like the article says, if Floyd calls, Golovkin will fight him in September. Pretty simple stuff. And Floyd has stated publicly that he'd beat Golovkin. He said he was not the least bit impressed with GGG, aside from his power. So why not make history, give your legacy a Barry Bonds on steroids boost, and win the middleweight title. Easy night, lots of money, and most importantly, legacy. Golovkin is the only guy out there that affords Floyd such a rich legacy fight. No one else. That's Golovkin's value to Floyd. And if Floyd conquered Golovkin, as he publicly said he easily would, it'd be bigger than Leonard's win over Hagler. And we still talk about and marvel at that feat 30 years later. This is about history, not PPV sales. And Floyd will make a TON of money fighting Golovkin anyway. This is a terrific prizefight. It needs no WWE nonsense or manufactured drama. He'd (1) enhance his legacy and (2) make huge money. And remember, Floyd has stated it would be a very easy night. Maybe Floyd would beat him. I'd take Golovkin, but Floyd's a sensational boxer, and perhaps this test would bring out his absolute best. Totally possible. (Froggy - I hear you on Leonard over Hagler. I was always a huge Hagler guy, and didn't like Leonard at all in my younger days, but I've come to accept the result. And I've come to like Leonard, very much. Almost 30 years on, I don't think it's hurt Marvin's legacy one bit. It was a very close fight, and I absolutely appreciate the Hagler folks (myself among them), who feel he won. I think the legend is not so much in the result, but Ray's willingness to go after that fight, that's what's so remarkable.) Anyway, I'd love to see Floyd, the 154 pound champion, move to 160 and challenge Golovkin for the esteemed middleweight title. For Floyd, an easy night, lots of cash, and legacy. Make it happen.


-amayseng :

I have the DVD Amayseng watched it in high def 14 times. Pac couldn't even touch Floyd when he was laying on the ropes,....picked off everything except two body shots which had no effect. That's why Pac backed off, like hitting a brick wall, then he won the next round big....every body knows what they saw. Even Steve Farhood gave Pac only two rounds. Easy work.
You have to slow it down to see it. Floyd is an ABSOLUTE MASTER at rolling , slipping and sliding punches and in real time you dont see the shots Pac landed. There were many solid shots that deterred Floyd. If you slow it down then you will see how the fight is truly closer than it looks in real time. That is a credit to Floyd, he is brilliant defensively, but shots were landed and he played it safe and stunk out the joint because he knew one shot could change the fight.


-amayseng :

I have the DVD Amayseng watched it in high def 14 times. Pac couldn't even touch Floyd when he was laying on the ropes,....picked off everything except two body shots which had no effect. That's why Pac backed off, like hitting a brick wall, then he won the next round big....every body knows what they saw. Even Steve Farhood gave Pac only two rounds. Easy work.
You have to slow it down to see it. Floyd is an ABSOLUTE MASTER at rolling , slipping and sliding punches and in real time you dont see the shots Pac landed. There were many solid shots that deterred Floyd. If you slow it down then you will see how the fight is truly closer than it looks in real time. That is a credit to Floyd, he is brilliant defensively, but shots were landed and he played it safe and stunk out the joint because he knew one shot could change the fight.


-Radam G :

You have to slow it down to see it. Floyd is an ABSOLUTE MASTER at rolling , slipping and sliding punches and in real time you dont see the shots Pac landed. There were many solid shots that deterred Floyd. If you slow it down then you will see how the fight is truly closer than it looks in real time. That is a credit to Floyd, he is brilliant defensively, but shots were landed and he played it safe and stunk out the joint because he knew one shot could change the fight.
Don't waste your time. Prejudice cannot see reality. It sees what it wants to believe. Two -and-three year olds can see Da Manny nailing Money May along the ropes. Old, gray men can see figments of their imagination much better than the actuality of reality. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Good points all around. Golovkin is still trying to unify at middleweight, therefore that's why there's not a huge push for him to abandon 160 and go to 168 or higher. At least right now. Ward is great. But he's just returning after an eternal layoff; the Froch fight fell through after what appeared serious discussion to make it happen. It's absolutely a fair criticism of Golovkin, but I don't think there's any hard evidence he's overtly ducking guys. Like the article says, if Floyd calls, Golovkin will fight him in September. Pretty simple stuff. And Floyd has stated publicly that he'd beat Golovkin. He said he was not the least bit impressed with GGG, aside from his power. So why not make history, give your legacy a Barry Bonds on steroids boost, and win the middleweight title. Easy night, lots of money, and most importantly, legacy. Golovkin is the only guy out there that affords Floyd such a rich legacy fight. No one else. That's Golovkin's value to Floyd. And if Floyd conquered Golovkin, as he publicly said he easily would, it'd be bigger than Leonard's win over Hagler. And we still talk about and marvel at that feat 30 years later. This is about history, not PPV sales. And Floyd will make a TON of money fighting Golovkin anyway. This is a terrific prizefight. It needs no WWE nonsense or manufactured drama. He'd (1) enhance his legacy and (2) make huge money. And remember, Floyd has stated it would be a very easy night. Maybe Floyd would beat him. I'd take Golovkin, but Floyd's a sensational boxer, and perhaps this test would bring out his absolute best. Totally possible. (Froggy - I hear you on Leonard over Hagler. I was always a huge Hagler guy, and didn't like Leonard at all in my younger days, but I've come to accept the result. And I've come to like Leonard, very much. Almost 30 years on, I don't think it's hurt Marvin's legacy one bit. It was a very close fight, and I absolutely appreciate the Hagler folks (myself among them), who feel he won. I think the legend is not so much in the result, but Ray's willingness to go after that fight, that's what's so remarkable.) Anyway, I'd love to see Floyd, the 154 pound champion, move to 160 and challenge Golovkin for the esteemed middleweight title. For Floyd, an easy night, lots of cash, and legacy. Make it happen.
Yep fair call and good post. In response - if we were at a bar - I would say this and have a good deep chat with you about it in interest of hearing your viewpoints too. I am not disagreeing with and say this in remembering the previous laughs we have had prior to Cinco De Mayo. 1) 3G doesn't need to abandon 160 to compete in 168. 2) I agree with (what I think) your inference is; Gennady is trying to unify, but it's not easy. The last 2 words there - there's a lot to them. 3G may want to unify and so may Sanchez/Loeffler, but the fact is (and this is coming from someone that loves 3G, his style, his country, and previous great Eastern Bloc fighters) they really have been fighting guys that are a few notches down from not just 3G himself - but also what is available; even if you discount that 3G, Sanchez and Loeffler have all said before that they will take anyone above welterweight and below light heavyweight. 3) For comparison, check the competition Tszyu moved through (I did a comparison between Kostya and Golovkin a few years back) and compared it to 3G. I think by the time each guy had 10 or 11 fights there was no comparison. It's time for 3G to step it up and in doing so rake in the popularity he deserves and along with it the PPV numbers and cash. 3G can drop down and blow Lara out for all I care, but it would be better for him (in the long term) and us than fighting Rubio, Monroe, Rosado and most of the other guys that can't even hook off the jab. 4) The last decent guy 3G fought was probably Murray and - with all due respect to him - there is better competition out there for 3G. 5) Gennady was bashing professional world champions in the gym when he only had 3 or 4 pro fights; now - 5 or so years on from that - he's (still) fighting guys that are less challenging - that the facts. 6) 3G probably lost some money that may have been otherwise earned by him with his early German promoters and the issues they had just after 3G turned pro, and now it seems his current promoter and trainer are - to some extent - behaving in an overprotective manner in relation to their investment. I'm not saying it's not tricky, cause you can see the upside of what they're trying to (and probably can, at least in part) achieve if they keep with the plan and take out Lee, Jacobs, Cotto, and/or possibly Floyd and whoever else has a piece of all the myriad of WBA and WBC's many versions of each 3 middleweight titles you can have on the back of a cereal packet these days. 7) But, and this is the kicker, it's clear Gennady has some flaws, and it's patently clear that fighting this level of competition will not serve him well in the long run now; in any other way than financially. A not to dissimilar thing happened to Tyson when he found had to (more) regularly go 12 rounds, but was introduced to that regularity almost simultaneously as when his competition stepped up. 8) This next year will tell whom out of Ward and 3G really want to fight each other (whether or not they actually fight this year), and I bet that it is not Ward whom doesn't want it; if anyone doesn't. 9) I am not sure it's really "that" simple and straightforward (weight-wise) to get Floyd and Gennady in the same ring; but (aside from the fact that asking for the fight is in some ways no less than expecting Floyd to fight Ward; even though Floyd started out around featherweight) I will leave that there as there is many a slip between a cup and a lip with these things - as Cotto's recent title defence and the title itself shows us. 10) Now all that said, if Floyd really stated what is claimed about 3G, I guess what you have said in the first half of your second paragraph is not unreasonable. 11) However, all this seem to rely on the fact that many people (excluding me; I am aware I am the minority) think that Floyd needs 3G for his legacy, and even aside from the fact that Floyd himself doesn't (whether or not he says these things) I believe that no-one can take Floyd's boxing record and place it next to 3G's and say that the absence of Gennady on Floyd's record alters Floyd's legacy in any way. Try doing that (anyone) and say that the absence of Gennady on Floyd's record alters Floyd's legacy - it's laughable. 12) 3G needs Floyd; not the other way around. 13) Points 11 and 12, in my humble opinion, stand even if Floyd said something about 3G and didn't prove it. Because - even aside from all the times he has proven it and the fact that what Floyd said is probably true - like the forum and its authors is in a place to call out a guy like Floyd on talking the talk and not walking the walk. 14) Floyd may have said what it is claimed he said (about 3G) out of frustration for the fact that people bag Floyd for what he does and whom he fights; yet here (in Floyd's eyes and many other astute boxing followers) is Gennady receiving praise for fighting guys that are well below the standard that even Floyd is claimed to fight. It's just a consideration that may be true - I can't prove it; but if Pacquaio had said what Floyd is said to have said, I reckon people would crawl out of the woodwork to make the same concessions whether they were as valid or not. 15) I am a big Hagler fan too, and I am not sure he lost to Leonard either. Good post. Cheers.


-stormcentre :

Don't waste your time. Prejudice cannot see reality. It sees what it wants to believe. Two -and-three year olds can see Da Manny nailing Money May along the ropes. Old, gray men can see figments of their imagination much better than the actuality of reality. Holla!
Radam, Is there any chance you can meaningfully contribute to the topic? Previously you claimed Floyd clinched an enormous number of times in the fight, and then when I took the time/effort to mathematically and otherwise evaluate your claims it was obvious they were . . . well donkey drops. Like many other claims you made, when asked to explain; off you galloped on that one. So - just to make sure we know whose figments of da actuality of the reality of the watermelon imagination you're talking about here - any chance you can put a video and post together and point out all the punches. Whilst you're at it perhaps you can do the same concurrently - that is so it's easier than doing them separately - for all those clinches that never eventuated in the fight that Floyd was gunna get KTFO in. As always love your work. As always we won't hold our breath on you delivering. Finally, by the way, and this is the real funny part just as it is so typical of you; no one is saying that Floyd didn't get hit. A 2 and 3 year old could see that. How's life in dreamland? As, I see you're learning fast and certainly not tired of leading with that open and often working overtime on chaff jawline, and also it's associate; the one eyed view. Good quality stuff. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Don't waste your time. Prejudice cannot see reality. It sees what it wants to believe. Two -and-three year olds can see Da Manny nailing Money May along the ropes. Old, gray men can see figments of their imagination much better than the actuality of reality. Holla!
Radam, Is there any chance you can meaningfully contribute to the topic? Previously you claimed Floyd clinched an enormous number of times in the fight (122 was it??). And then when I took the time/effort to mathematically and otherwise evaluate your claims it was obvious they were . . . well donkey drops. Like many other claims you made, when asked to explain; off you galloped on that one. So - just to make sure we know whose figments of da actuality of the reality of the watermelon imagination you're talking about here - any chance you can put a video and post together and point out all the punches; whether or not they can be defined as a function of scientific terms. After all, you clearly have taken the time to slow the video down enough to present us with the above gem of a post. :) Also, I will help you (count the punches; all you need to do is provide the video, it's URL, and the timestamp for each punch) just so you don't make the same above-mentioned mistake with counting and numbers and clinches; particularly once they go into double dream widgets . . . whoops I mean double digits. :) Whilst you're at it perhaps you can do the same concurrently - that is so it's easier than doing them separately - for all those 122 clinches that (like the contract that never existed that Floyd was said to be too scared to have signed) never eventuated in the fight that Floyd was gunna get KTFO in. As always love your work. Big up to you for keeping it real with your archives. Snoop says whatup too. However, as always we won't hold our breath on you delivering any of the above easy requests that would add real substance to your post/claims. Finally, by the way, and this is the real funny part just as it is so typical of you; no one is saying that Floyd didn't get hit - please show where it happened if you disagree. A 2 and 3 year old could see that. which means, once again you decided not to read the posts before letting go without the rubber in place. Good laugh though isn't it - thanks for that. How's life in dreamland? As, I see you're learning fast and certainly not tired of leading with that open and often working overtime on chaff jawline, and also it's associate; the one eyed view. Good quality stuff. :) :)


-Domenic :

Stormcentre - Lots of good points my friend. You spell out the case for Floyd not pursuing Golovkin very well. Like I've said, this is not a cut and dried issue. There's a compelling case for the fight, and a compelling case against the fight. A couple of things. Floyd absolutely doesn't need Golovkin, I agree. He doesn't need the dough and it's a high risk, insanely high reward fight. But as far as history is concerned, the nexus from where Floyd is now, and the upper tier, ATG next level, is Gennady Golovkin. There's not another guy out there that provides Floyd such a rich legacy fight. That's GGG's value to Floyd. Forget PPV sales (even though the fight would sell like wild, that seems to get lost in this too). I'd argue that if the middleweight champion was Cotto, or a Felix Sturm type guy, he'd pounce on the opportunity to win the revered middleweight title. And because Floyd's gone on record that he'd beat GGG, he ought to borrow from the great Ray Leonard's playbook, and attempt to bolster and burnish his legacy and make the fight. If Floyd goes on and fights Khan, or Marquez, or Oscar, that's great, more power to him. He has every right to do just that. But his legacy suffers. As of now, I'd rank him with Joe Calzaghe on the all-time list. That's the guy that comes to my mind reflexively when I think of Floyd and his place in boxing history. And that's a great compliment. Calzaghe is a HoF'er, and had a tremendous career. But if he fought and beat, as he's on record saying he would, Golovkin? He moves into the elite, upper tier of all time. But that may not be important to him. I look at Tiger Woods now. It's hard for an athlete, especially a boxer, to stay hungry for that long, and Floyd may be at the point where safety first carries the day. But safety first doesn't score points with the judges in TBE category. As for Golovkin's opposition, it's a valid point. Whatever has happened in the past, it seems he's chompin' at the bit for the biggest fights now. And I don't know if he's ever openly ducked or avoided anyone, I think that's debatable. Maybe he has, but he attended the Cotto fight, and Cotto seems to have no interest in facing him. He was negotiating with Froch. Dead deal. I have no interest in watching Lara, except if it's against Golovkin. I think he stops him. Ward? I'd love to see it. It'll be interesting to see who he talks about in the post-fight interview tomorrow. Kovalev, Golovkin, DeGale? But you're right. That which applies to Floyd also applies to GGG. Good post man.


-Domenic :

Stormcentre - Lots of good points my friend. You spell out the case for Floyd not pursuing Golovkin very well. Like I've said, this is not a cut and dried issue. There's a compelling case for the fight, and a compelling case against the fight. A couple of things. Floyd absolutely doesn't need Golovkin, I agree. He doesn't need the dough and it's a high risk, insanely high reward fight. But as far as history is concerned, the nexus from where Floyd is now, and the upper tier, ATG next level, is Gennady Golovkin. There's not another guy out there that provides Floyd such a rich legacy fight. That's GGG's value to Floyd. Forget PPV sales (even though the fight would sell like wild, that seems to get lost in this too). I'd argue that if the middleweight champion was Cotto, or a Felix Sturm type guy, he'd pounce on the opportunity to win the revered middleweight title. And because Floyd's gone on record that he'd beat GGG, he ought to borrow from the great Ray Leonard's playbook, and attempt to bolster and burnish his legacy and make the fight. If Floyd goes on and fights Khan, or Marquez, or Oscar, that's great, more power to him. He has every right to do just that. But his legacy suffers. As of now, I'd rank him with Joe Calzaghe on the all-time list. That's the guy that comes to my mind reflexively when I think of Floyd and his place in boxing history. And that's a great compliment. Calzaghe is a HoF'er, and had a tremendous career. But if he fought and beat, as he's on record saying he would, Golovkin? He moves into the elite, upper tier of all time. But that may not be important to him. I look at Tiger Woods now. It's hard for an athlete, especially a boxer, to stay hungry for that long, and Floyd may be at the point where safety first carries the day. But safety first doesn't score points with the judges in TBE category. As for Golovkin's opposition, it's a valid point. Whatever has happened in the past, it seems he's chompin' at the bit for the biggest fights now. And I don't know if he's ever openly ducked or avoided anyone, I think that's debatable. Maybe he has, but he attended the Cotto fight, and Cotto seems to have no interest in facing him. He was negotiating with Froch. Dead deal. I have no interest in watching Lara, except if it's against Golovkin. I think he stops him. Ward? I'd love to see it. It'll be interesting to see who he talks about in the post-fight interview tomorrow. Kovalev, Golovkin, DeGale? But you're right. That which applies to Floyd also applies to GGG. Good post man.


-amayseng :

Floyd throws out the TBE but he honestly does not have the dignity to support it so he should just go for Cotto at mw and grab that title. Good fight, good money and easily winnable. He can not beat GGG at 160, it won't happen. GGG is a straight killing machine and has yet to turn it up for anyone to see his full potential and that is what most are missing here. What GGG has showed is only what he has allowed you to see, he is a killer hiding behind a smile. Even Kovalev says GGG is a killer. If I was Floyd I would go for GGG because I want to prove to myself that I am the best ever and went after that Goliath before it is all said and done. But I am not Floyd, Floyd is Floyd and he already made that mad money so it is easy sailing from here. Though looks like Cotto is going to go for Canelo. Khan is not an intriguing matchup. Therefore GGG would be the highest money fight. Though like I said, Showtime made its money big time off the Pac fight, Floyd will go for something easy.


-Art :

Mayweather can fight a punching bag because It doesn't matter! Unless he fights a GGG, what do you think the outcome is going to be? FM by decision. Another FM bore. Lets see what if anything has changed; After a few rounds of feeling out his opponent, he realized that they have the power to hurt him and then, pow!! like a right cross to an opponent not looking, he starts his defensive mode of fighting, one punch, make you miss, repeat, clinch when you might be forced to engage, one or two punch at a time, protect your health at all times. Give me a break!! Watch D'dam and Lemieux and see if anyone does that. Porter vs Broner(FM clone) maybe in that fight you'll see some of FM in there because he, god forgive me, "mentors" him!! What a waste of good boxing skills!


-Froggy :

Mayweather can fight a punching bag because It doesn't matter! Unless he fights a GGG, what do you think the outcome is going to be? FM by decision. Another FM bore. Lets see what if anything has changed; After a few rounds of feeling out his opponent, he realized that they have the power to hurt him and then, pow!! like a right cross to an opponent not looking, he starts his defensive mode of fighting, one punch, make you miss, repeat, clinch when you might be forced to engage, one or two punch at a time, protect your health at all times. Give me a break!! Watch D'dam and Lemieux and see if anyone does that. Porter vs Broner(FM clone) maybe in that fight you'll see some of FM in there because he, god forgive me, "mentors" him!! What a waste of good boxing skills!
Right on !


-amayseng :

Mayweather can fight a punching bag because It doesn't matter! Unless he fights a GGG, what do you think the outcome is going to be? FM by decision. Another FM bore. Lets see what if anything has changed; After a few rounds of feeling out his opponent, he realized that they have the power to hurt him and then, pow!! like a right cross to an opponent not looking, he starts his defensive mode of fighting, one punch, make you miss, repeat, clinch when you might be forced to engage, one or two punch at a time, protect your health at all times. Give me a break!! Watch D'dam and Lemieux and see if anyone does that. Porter vs Broner(FM clone) maybe in that fight you'll see some of FM in there because he, god forgive me, "mentors" him!! What a waste of good boxing skills!
Good post Art, welcome and please continue.


-stormcentre :

Art, welcome. With posts like that you're going to be very popular around here. People love to hate Floyd here. And that's cool too, cause for the most part, we (also) have fun seeing how they can't back it up and/or understand what technical aspects of Floyd's game that he is actually laying down. It's all good, clean, fun, and we (usually) stop short of mind control. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Art, welcome. With posts like that you're going to be very popular around here. People love to hate Floyd here. And that's cool too, cause for the most part, we (also) have fun seeing how they can't back it up and/or understand what technical aspects of Floyd's game that he is actually laying down. It's all good, clean, fun, and we (usually) stop short of mind control. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Stormcentre - Lots of good points my friend. You spell out the case for Floyd not pursuing Golovkin very well. Like I've said, this is not a cut and dried issue. There's a compelling case for the fight, and a compelling case against the fight. A couple of things. Floyd absolutely doesn't need Golovkin, I agree. He doesn't need the dough and it's a high risk, insanely high reward fight. But as far as history is concerned, the nexus from where Floyd is now, and the upper tier, ATG next level, is Gennady Golovkin. There's not another guy out there that provides Floyd such a rich legacy fight. That's GGG's value to Floyd. Forget PPV sales (even though the fight would sell like wild, that seems to get lost in this too). I'd argue that if the middleweight champion was Cotto, or a Felix Sturm type guy, he'd pounce on the opportunity to win the revered middleweight title. And because Floyd's gone on record that he'd beat GGG, he ought to borrow from the great Ray Leonard's playbook, and attempt to bolster and burnish his legacy and make the fight. If Floyd goes on and fights Khan, or Marquez, or Oscar, that's great, more power to him. He has every right to do just that. But his legacy suffers. As of now, I'd rank him with Joe Calzaghe on the all-time list. That's the guy that comes to my mind reflexively when I think of Floyd and his place in boxing history. And that's a great compliment. Calzaghe is a HoF'er, and had a tremendous career. But if he fought and beat, as he's on record saying he would, Golovkin? He moves into the elite, upper tier of all time. But that may not be important to him. I look at Tiger Woods now. It's hard for an athlete, especially a boxer, to stay hungry for that long, and Floyd may be at the point where safety first carries the day. But safety first doesn't score points with the judges in TBE category. As for Golovkin's opposition, it's a valid point. Whatever has happened in the past, it seems he's chompin' at the bit for the biggest fights now. And I don't know if he's ever openly ducked or avoided anyone, I think that's debatable. Maybe he has, but he attended the Cotto fight, and Cotto seems to have no interest in facing him. He was negotiating with Froch. Dead deal. I have no interest in watching Lara, except if it's against Golovkin. I think he stops him. Ward? I'd love to see it. It'll be interesting to see who he talks about in the post-fight interview tomorrow. Kovalev, Golovkin, DeGale? But you're right. That which applies to Floyd also applies to GGG. Good post man.
Thanks yes, good post to you too. It's not so much me making a good case for Floyd not fighting 3G though. As I would like to see him fight 3G, and, actually, the more I read sensible well thought out posts about it - rather than simple hate waffle that runs from explaining its own numbers and other vehemently released claims, I see how and think you're right. I think more than anything - amongst a sea of people almost endlessly complaining that Floyd doesn't serve their needs (when in actual fact he doesn't have but still in many ways already has) by getting knocked out - I just understand where he is coming from. For the record - in some ways - you are right Domenic. If Floyd fought and beat Golovkin it would be a tremendous thing. But the problem with that request in Floyd's mind (I think) - if it is there at all (remember the majority said he was too scared to fight Pac and even Cotto, and not only did he {without a Cotto-catch-weight} but he also won) - is that it (mostly, but not all) comes from dislike and hate; so it probably has the opposite effect on getting Floyd to do what people want. For example we can easily see some people compliment others on claiming Floyd is boring, and then only a few posts up from that they're (effectively) saying he is brilliant and/or put in some great shows/performances; when in actual fact - aside from that discussion being grossly inconsistent and overlooking just how many good performances Floyd has put on that experienced boxing observers, experts, other fighters, and commentators appreciate - it just proves most don't watch and/or understand all Floyd's fights and his style. The issue is - I believe - one of mass psychology; associated with the fact Floyd is successful, does/wins as he pleases, and more importantly makes people feel bad about the fact they got it wrong when they thought they were so right; ultimately giving rise to emotional and subjective hate. Still, that's OK with me as in that state those whom the above fits are not always in the weakest physical and mental position to box and/or construct rational debates - but also unable to see why/how the same cycle repeats; humour. Keep up both, the good well though out posts and remaining exempt from the above Domenic. Cheers. :) :)