With the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco behind us, at least as far as the fight goes, and Gennady Golovkin fresh off his impressive stoppage win over Willie Monroe Jr., there has been some noise pertaining to a potential Mayweather-Golovkin clash.

 

Golovkin is slowly but surely becoming the must-see fighter in boxing because of his attacking style and two handed power. Now, there can be no mistaking Gennady's credentials, however, Sergey Kovalev has been every bit as impressive, he's more versatile and he's clearly beaten better opposition due to the fact that the light heavyweight division is currently much deeper than the middleweight division.

 

Back to the Mayweather-Golovkin chatter. Yes, it would be an incredibly intriguing matchup. No, the interest wouldn't be as big as it was for Mayweather-Pacquiao because Golovkin 33-0 (30) is not as well-known or nearly the world superstar that Pacquiao is. However, the drama would be much greater because Mayweather 48-0 (26) would clearly be the Vegas underdog. Yes, I had to be clear and state the Vegas underdog because if they were to fight and Golovkin foolishly agreed to a 154 pound catch-weight, and the fight is at the MGM Grand, I'd probably make Floyd the favorite.

 

I'm amazed every day how boxing writers and fans think if Mayweather and Golovkin agreed to fight at 154, how they really believe it would be a legitimate showdown and boost Mayweather's status if he won – and obviously reduce Golovkin's if he lost?

 

Wrong.

 

The fight would prove nothing. If Mayweather and Golovkin ever step into the ring, it must be for Gennady's belts and contested at the 160 pound middleweight limit. No catch-weight stipulation, no gimmicks or cons, a real fight just as if Golovkin were fighting Willie Monroe or Daniel Geale again – as full-fledged middleweights. The challenge for Mayweather would be to see if he, as the smaller fighter, could defeat a slightly bigger and outstanding fighter? The way Sugar Ray Leonard did Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins did Antonio Tarver. And don't get me started on Michael Spinks and Roy Jones beating Larry Holmes and John Ruiz, who both weighed 50 pounds more than any fighter Michael or Roy ever fought.

 

Has anyone reading this ever seen Golovkin fight at 154? No! Then how in the hell does anybody know what kind of fighter he is at that weight? If Floyd beat him at 154, that's not beating the same guy who Daniel Geale, Martin Murray and Willie Monroe had to contend with. I'd be willing to bet all three of them would've fared much better had Gennady been forced to weigh in at 154 when they fought him. If Golovkin and Mayweather fought, Gennady would carry one advantage into the ring, physicality and strength. If he is forced to suck down an extra six pounds, that's gone. So what would be the herculean feat on Mayweather's part be if he beat GGG via stripping away his only advantage before they laced their gloves on?

 

Haven't boxing fans been gouged and hosed out of their money enough by paying for Mayweather's illusions? It seems that those who think Mayweather-Golovkin at 154 is a legit matchup never had to cut weight for a combat sport like boxing/wrestling. Everybody, at least I thought, knew that fighters/wrestlers take their weight down as low as they can while still retaining as much of their strength as possible. If 154 was no big deal for Golovkin, he'd be fighting there. Sure, his team has said Gennady can make 154, but what do you expect them to say with so much money involved? I'll tell you what they're not going to say, and that is Gennady will be a skeleton with skin and with a dramatic reduction in strength at the weight.

 

Losing those last six pounds would rob Golovkin of so much of his natural strength it wouldn't be funny. And there's no way he could rehydrate back what he lost in 24/36 hours. It just doesn't work that way. No way the week before the fight while his body is running on fumes does he get it all back after the weigh in.

 

Greatness is about taking risk and every all-time great in history has done so. It’s not like Mayweather has to fight him. The incentive for Floyd would be to for once beat a legitimate outstanding fighter who is in his prime and a little physically bigger than he is. Nowhere is it written that he has to be the middleweight champ. But if decides he wants that coveted sixth title, he has to fight the middleweight champ as a middleweight. The same way Roberto Duran, who weighed less than 135 for his pro-debut, and Sugar Ray Leonard, who made his debut as a welterweight, both did when they fought Marvin Hagler. And Golovkin is no Hagler, at least not yet…and both Roberto and Ray lived to tell their children they fought the great Marvin Hagler.

 

In all honesty, the only fight Mayweather could take that's even worth paying fifty dollars for would be Golovkin at 160. I mean, does anyone really need to be held up again without a gun to their temple by paying for Mayweather-Pacquiao II/Alvarez II/Cotto II/Amir Khan or Kell Brook? Mayweather fighting Golovkin would be the ultimate way for Floyd to close his career. If he lost, it wouldn't hurt his legacy a bit because he's not supposed to win…and if he did, his legacy would really explode. But it would have to be at 160 or it wouldn't count.

 

Seeing if Mayweather could beat Golovkin at 160 is a big deal. Watching him beat Golovkin at 154 might as well be sanctioned by the WWE.

 

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com 

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-deepwater2 :

Don't forget Robinson vs Maxim.


-Radam G :

Great, great stuff! I agree 100 percent. It is a true-blue scrap at 160. At 154, it will be some more of Money May's TMT's shenanigans. Money is a master of optical illusions, tricks of the trade, shenanigans and extreme bulljive. Holla!


-Domenic :

Thank you for this article. Leonard didn't ask Hagler to fight at 154 (Marvin probably would have; when Hearns postponed their first fight due to a pinky finger injury, Hagler said he'd chop that thing off for the money they were making). Also, Ray was off 3 years, looked rusty against Howard, and neglected a tune-up fight. Ray Leonard had serious guts. Sure, he got some concessions, but one of those concessions wasn't weight. Well written, thought provoking article. My feeling is that if Golovkin wasn't the wrecking ball that he is, Floyd would consider a one-time jump to 160 to challenge for the very prestigious 160 pound title. Like Deepwater said elsewhere, it's been done numerous times, and to deny that it has is ignoring boxing history. If you're the self-professed P4P best ever to glove up, and you held a strap 6 pounds south of where you'd be challenging, it shouldn't be mission impossible at all. He's not being asked to fight Kovalev or Klitschko.


-The Shadow :

Thank you for this article. Leonard didn't ask Hagler to fight at 154 (Marvin probably would have; when Hearns postponed their first fight due to a pinky finger injury, Hagler said he'd chop that thing off for the money they were making). Also, Ray was off 3 years, looked rusty against Howard, and neglected a tune-up fight. Ray Leonard had serious guts. Sure, he got some concessions, but one of those concessions wasn't weight. Well written, thought provoking article. My feeling is that if Golovkin wasn't the wrecking ball that he is, Floyd would consider a one-time jump to 160 to challenge for the very prestigious 160 pound title. Like Deepwater said elsewhere, it's been done numerous times, and to deny that it has is ignoring boxing history. If you're the self-professed P4P best ever to glove up, and you held a strap 6 pounds south of where you'd be challenging, it shouldn't be mission impossible at all. He's not being asked to fight Kovalev or Klitschko.
But when do those six or seven pounds stop? That's exactly what he did with DLH and Cotto. In fact, he holds the record for most lineal championships with four. If he were to beat GGG at 160, what then? Is Andre Ward next? It's only eight pounds. And for whatever it's worth, Sugar Ray Leonard did challenge Hagler but he put every single item in his favor: gloves, ring, ROUNDS. In his next fight, Leonard picked up two more divisional titles, bringing his total to five. While he officially won light heavyweight title, the fight was contested at 168, which also gifted him the newly-created and vacant super middleweight title. In his next few fights, he defended the super middleweight championship against Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns at catchweights; 160 and 164, both well below the super middleweight limit. Hagler never went up to fight Michael Spinks. He wanted no part of him. Neither did Leonard, obviously. Not criticizing Leonard. Just merely pointing out that physical limitations prevented even the great Sugar Ray. And it hasn't impacted his standing one single bit. It shouldn't affect Mayweather's, either.


-Domenic :

But when do those six or seven pounds stop? That's exactly what he did with DLH and Cotto. In fact, he holds the record for most lineal championships with four. If he were to beat GGG at 160, what then? Is Andre Ward next? It's only eight pounds. And for whatever it's worth, Sugar Ray Leonard did challenge Hagler but he put every single item in his favor: gloves, ring, ROUNDS.
You are a very smart dude, and that's an excellent point. I'd say this, if Floyd challenged Golovkin at 160, there wouldn't be any clamor for him to go 168 for Ward, etc. There really wouldn't. Inherent in this move is the RISK involved. Everyone knows it, and it'd be a HUGE part of the narrative. That's part of the mountain-climb here. Even non-boxing people know who Golovkin is, a no nonsense assassin. And remember, Floyd held a legitimate 154 pound title before the Obama administration began. Floyd fashions himself as the best prizefighter in human history. He has the opportunity to fight an absolute fighting machine, the non-lineal, but REAL champion at 160. The stiffest of tests that lie within his grasp. It's a chance to cement his greatness, to cash one of those enormous tickets at boxing's historical window, a legacy cementer. The middleweight title is coveted and I swear to God this kind of bold stroke would move the needle for Floyd historically, even if he lost. Ray Leonard, I dare say, would do it.


-deepwater2 :

it would stop at that fight.That would be the pinnacle.The capstone. No matter the outcome Floyd would gain respect and admiration just for the courage of the attempt.


-Chris L :

He said he wants to go out with a bang in September - this could be it haha (only joking). I still think it sounds a bit ridiculous since GGG is a full fledged middle, and Floyd started at 130. But that being said I understand the points being made by most people. It's been done in the past, but I think Floyd values his health too much to attempt such a move - and you can't really blame him in my opinion.


-#1 PacFan :

Hmmm let's see...nope. Floyd would not take the fight with 3G. Definitely not at this point while 3G is in his prime. Maybe when 3G gets soften upand Floyd might come out of retirement at the age of 42.


-Matthew :

A few words about Mayweather-Golovkin: it will never happen. Mayweather isn't bold enough to come up to middleweight, and Golovkin should never agree to fight at 154. That would cheapen it. A few words about the concessions during the negotiations for Leonard-Hagler: nobody forced Hagler to accept anything! The Petronelli's gave Mike Trainer everything he asked for. Ironically, it was Hagler who wanted the fight in Las Vegas (and then he complains about the decision). The Hagler camp actually complained about judge Harry Gibbs, so he was dismissed in favor of Jose Guerra (he of the ridiculous 118-110 scorecard for Leonard). Gibbs actually scored the fight at home, and had it 115-113 for Hagler. In return for 10 oz. gloves, a 20 foot ring, and a 12 round fight, Trainer gave Hagler what he wanted: Vegas, a larger purse, Arum as the lead promoter, and almost all of the closed circuit money. A misconception is that the negotiations were one-sized; they weren't. However, Leonard got what he wanted, and that helped him to make history.


-Radam G :

A few words about Mayweather-Golovkin: it will never happen. Mayweather isn't bold enough to come up to middleweight, and Golovkin should never agree to fight at 154. That would cheapen it. A few words about the concessions during the negotiations for Leonard-Hagler: nobody forced Hagler to accept anything! The Petronelli's gave Mike Trainer everything he asked for. Ironically, it was Hagler who wanted the fight in Las Vegas (and then he complains about the decision). The Hagler camp actually complained about judge Harry Gibbs, so he was dismissed in favor of Jose Guerra (he of the ridiculous 118-110 scorecard for Leonard). Gibbs actually scored the fight at home, and had it 115-113 for Hagler. In return for 10 oz. gloves, a 20 foot ring, and a 12 round fight, Trainer gave Hagler what he wanted: Vegas, a larger purse, Arum as the lead promoter, and almost all of the closed circuit money. A misconception is that the negotiations were one-sized; they weren't. However, Leonard got what he wanted, and that helped him to make history.
Way to go, Matt! That is why we like you so much up in this Universe. You are a myth breaker. You be busting up those myths. And be spittin' da whole darn truth. You are da MAN with it! Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

Unless he beats Klitschko in a bare knuckles fight 4 free, some people win never give Mayweather credit, no matter what... He just dominated the last guy y'all said would give him problems and held him to a 19% connect percentage and now 3 week later it's time 4 another guy who y'all think can beat Floyd...


-Radam G :

Unless he beats Klitschko in a bare knuckles fight 4 free, some people win never give Mayweather credit, no matter what... He just dominated the last guy y'all said would give him problems and held him to a 19% connect percentage and now 3 week later it's time 4 another guy who y'all think can beat Floyd...
Hehehehehehehehe! You got jokes, my friend! Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

Floyd is more likely to fight Cotto for the MW title than GGG Cotto Brings more money, has a bigger name, has a better resume, is more marketable and of course is an easier fight. GGG just got on Premium TV a short while ago, who has he beaten to earn a big time payday and a shot with Floyd??? Willie Monroe??


-The Shadow :

Floyd is more likely to fight Cotto for the MW title than GGG
Cotto Brings more money, has a bigger name, has a better resume, is more marketable and of course is an easier fight. GGG just got on Premium TV a short while ago, who has he beaten to earn a big time payday and a shot with Floyd??? Willie Monroe??
Of course. That should really end all speculation right there. And Cotto has the lineal title and the only belt he really cares for (WBC) to boot. Despite the interesting and fascinating arguments either, you really just wrapped it up masterfully and concisely. As long as Cotto is at middleweight, a proven PPV draw, and a guy he know, why the heck would Mayweather, the quintessential prizefighter, ever consider anything else?


-The Shadow :

A few words about Mayweather-Golovkin: it will never happen. Mayweather isn't bold enough to come up to middleweight, and Golovkin should never agree to fight at 154. That would cheapen it. A few words about the concessions during the negotiations for Leonard-Hagler: nobody forced Hagler to accept anything! The Petronelli's gave Mike Trainer everything he asked for. Ironically, it was Hagler who wanted the fight in Las Vegas (and then he complains about the decision). The Hagler camp actually complained about judge Harry Gibbs, so he was dismissed in favor of Jose Guerra (he of the ridiculous 118-110 scorecard for Leonard). Gibbs actually scored the fight at home, and had it 115-113 for Hagler. In return for 10 oz. gloves, a 20 foot ring, and a 12 round fight, Trainer gave Hagler what he wanted: Vegas, a larger purse, Arum as the lead promoter, and almost all of the closed circuit money. A misconception is that the negotiations were one-sized; they weren't. However, Leonard got what he wanted, and that helped him to make history.
Wonderful post. And yes, you are right. Here's the information about this, for anyone who cares to read it. And for what it's worth, Hagler himself said "Leonard had a lot of demands."
->http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/ Great read. But you're right, no one "forced" him to do anything. Just like no one "forced" Oscar De La Hoya to step in there at 20% strength vs. #48, pale as a ghost to get his behind whooped. Just like no one forced Pacquiao to step in the ring with this mysterious shoulder injury that wasn't hurt after all. But even if we disregard Leonard-Hagler, Sugar Ray usually control and negotiate things in his favor. As I've mentioned, he won the 175 title at 168, defended the 168 belt he was awarded in that same match at 164 and 160, respectively. Nothing wrong with that. Just a little perspective. And as you put, he got what he wanted so he could make history. That's the key.


-Radam G :

Floyd is more likely to fight Cotto for the MW title than GGG Cotto Brings more money, has a bigger name, has a better resume, is more marketable and of course is an easier fight. GGG just got on Premium TV a short while ago, who has he beaten to earn a big time payday and a shot with Floyd??? Willie Monroe??
Wow! You went from having jokes to being cold. It is not boksing tradition that you beat somebody to earn a big payday. The Rocky Movie were based off a hard luck contender who hadn't beat anybody to earn a big payday. In real life, Rocky was Chuck Wepner (name misspelled). He got the purse and shot of a lifetime, when GOAT Ali gave "da bum" a shot. Money May is going to give a soft touch a shot in September. Never will he fight 3g. Not even in his dream. Holla!


-Radam G :

Wonderful post. And yes, you are right. Here's the information about this, for anyone who cares to read it. And for what it's worth, Hagler himself said "Leonard had a lot of demands."
->http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/ Great read. But you're right, no one "forced" him to do anything. Just like no one "forced" Oscar De La Hoya to step in there at 20% strength vs. #48, pale as a ghost to get his behind whooped. Just like no one forced Pacquiao to step in the ring with this mysterious shoulder injury that wasn't hurt after all. But even if we disregard Leonard-Hagler, Sugar Ray usually control and negotiate things in his favor. As I've mentioned, he won the 175 title at 168, defended the 168 belt he was awarded in that same match at 164 and 160, respectively. Nothing wrong with that. Just a little perspective. And as you put, he got what he wanted so he could make history. That's the key.
JSTYWK! You can win a title belt at any division as long as you are below the maximum weight. Da Manny won His 154 crown at 144. SRL fought for two crowns in one night because Donnie agreed to fight for his light heavyweight title while fighting for the inaugural super middleweight crown! The game is full of optical illusion from agreements. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

So it went from Floyd not fighting a middleweight since he doesn't have to, to Floyd will pick the easier middleweight to fight? Cotto is the lineal but he has to deal with his mandatory, GGG ,after beating Geale. Of course Cotto can dump his lineal title and fight Floyd in a rematch. I say Floyd would make the same money or more money fighting GGG than rematch Cotto. Floyd already beat Cotto.


-The Shadow :

JSTYWK! You can win a title belt at any division as long as you are below the maximum weight. Da Manny won His 154 crown at 144. SRL fought for two crowns in one night because Donnie agreed to fight for his light heavyweight title while fighting for the inaugural super middleweight crown! The game is full of optical illusion from agreements. Holla!
No, he didn't. It was contested at 150, he just weighed in at 144.6 pounds. And yes, that is true what you said about Leonard, I pointed that out as well, either in this thread plus in another, if I'm not mistaken.


-The Shadow :

So it went from Floyd not fighting a middleweight since he doesn't have to, to Floyd will pick the easier middleweight to fight? Cotto is the lineal but he has to deal with his mandatory, GGG ,after beating Geale. Of course Cotto can dump his lineal title and fight Floyd in a rematch. I say Floyd would make the same money or more money fighting GGG than rematch Cotto. Floyd already beat Cotto.
I think his point was that if he wanted to go to middleweight for history, there are far more reasons -- and less danger -- for him to fight Cotto as opposed to GGG. Which effectively kills it, knowing that Floyd is a 38-year-old prizefighter. On a different note, If Pacquiao wants to come back with a big bang, he should say, "Floyd is scared of GGG. I'LL take him on!" Wouldn't that be something? I actually tend to think that Pacquiao matches up better with GGG stylistically than Floyd. I can see Manny getting off 800+ punches in that fight. When he has that sort of volume, he aint' losing. Your thoughts? (And others', of course.)


-deepwater2 :

I understand the reason why Floyd would pick Cotto but as the self proclaimed TBE, he should want to slay the monster with the highest ko % and p4p higher rated boxer. If Floyd took on GGG and beat him or lost by going the distance ,no one would care if he holds or moves, he will get the credit he has always been after. Cotto will have to face GGG in his next fight or drop the title. He can pay step aside money to fight Canelo, but the winner of that one will be contracted to fight GGG.


-deepwater2 :

And honestly Floyd can pick a decent fighter for his next fight and get the win and retire. He will still be a great fighter just not TBE. He can live the rest of his life and enjoy it. Then we can stop talking about him and enjoy all the other matchups on the horizon.


-Radam G :

No, he didn't. It was contested at 150, he just weighed in at 144.6 pounds. And yes, that is true what you said about Leonard, I pointed that out as well, either in this thread plus in another, if I'm not mistaken.
That is what I was talking about the official weight in -- not contested. You can weight in at 160 for light heavyweight, than compete at 180. Official Underweight in a division does not matter. Holla!


-The Good Doctor :

I think his point was that if he wanted to go to middleweight for history, there are far more reasons -- and less danger -- for him to fight Cotto as opposed to GGG. Which effectively kills it, knowing that Floyd is a 38-year-old prizefighter. On a different note, If Pacquiao wants to come back with a big bang, he should say, "Floyd is scared of GGG. I'LL take him on!" Wouldn't that be something? I actually tend to think that Pacquiao matches up better with GGG stylistically than Floyd. I can see Manny getting off 800+ punches in that fight. When he has that sort of volume, he aint' losing. Your thoughts? (And others', of course.)
Although some may think your nuts, I can arrive at your logic. It is interesting and I might even pick Pac vs GGG. GGG is Pac's wheelhouse for the following reasons: Pac destroys stalking, come forward fighters. GGG is very adept at it but with the angles Pac punches form, it would at least bring pause to GGG's movement GGG can be or allows himself to be (I am not sure which it is yet) hit. GGG has never seen anything with the remote skill of Pac. Now GGG does have all of the raw going for him, height, youth, reach, weight and that will be a tall mountain to climb for Pac. This is a classic example of "The great little guy facing the good big guy." However, you have to ask in both camps is the little guy still great and how good is the big guy. However, I think this is just as much fantasy as Floyd vs. GGG. In addition, Pac can go murder Garcia and make more money doing so. It's ok though, GGG vs. Froch is what I am hoping for. Barn burner written all over that one.


-Radam G :

Although some may think your nuts, I can arrive at your logic. It is interesting and I might even pick Pac vs GGG. GGG is Pac's wheelhouse for the following reasons: Pac destroys stalking, come forward fighters. GGG is very adept at it but with the angles Pac punches form, it would at least bring pause to GGG's movement GGG can be or allows himself to be (I am not sure which it is yet) hit. GGG has never seen anything with the remote skill of Pac. Now GGG does have all of the raw going for him, height, youth, reach, weight and that will be a tall mountain to climb for Pac. This is a classic example of "The great little guy facing the good big guy." However, you have to ask in both camps is the little guy still great and how good is the big guy. However, I think this is just as much fantasy as Floyd vs. GGG. In addition, Pac can go murder Garcia and make more money doing so. It's ok though, GGG vs. Froch is what I am hoping for. Barn burner written all over that one.
I'm glad that you beat me to the post. I just come back to post that Da Manny would bust up 3g because of style. But I see that you were quick on da draw. Three g is a wrecking machine just as Margarito was. Da Manny kills stalkers and walk-you-down monsters. Maybe 3g will beat him. But not with his present stalking style. That type of style, Da Manny eats up. Thanks for beating me to the post. Haters would have call me crazy. But they won't call you that. So I don't look so crazy after all. Holla!


-The Shadow :

I'm glad that you beat me to the post. I just come back to post that Da Manny would bust up 3g because of style. But I see that you were quick on da draw. Three g is a wrecking machine just as Margarito was. Da Manny kills stalkers and walk-you-down monsters. Maybe 3g will beat him. But not with his present stalking style. That type of style, Da Manny eats up. Thanks for beating me to the post. Haters would have call me crazy. But they won't call you that. So I don't look so crazy after all. Holla!
That is actually why I proposed it in the first place. One of the reasons Floyd was fighting mostly off the back foot is because guys coming forward get eaten alive by Pacquiao. That so-called "Mexican style" of come-forward fighting is tailor made for him. He gets shots off, escapes at odd angles, pivots, fires, repeat. He can overwhelm GGG, I think, at least in spots. Not stop him, because GGG seems to have a chin cast of titanium, but he may inflict damage like Margarito. Guys that fall for that "oh, he's so small, let me run him over" end up with a rude awakening. Especially if he's depleted at 154 or less, I think Pacquiao could do some damage to him, at least the Margarito version. At the very least, I think he matches up better with him than Floyd does, mainly because of how well he performs against guys that try to cut the ring off on him. Like I said, if he wants to come back and really reclaim that "spot" he had, he can take him on and legitimately say "I'm doing something Floyd wouldn't" and take on this killer. What a matchup it would be?


-Radam G :

That is actually why I proposed it in the first place. One of the reasons Floyd was fighting mostly off the back foot is because guys coming forward get eaten alive by Pacquiao. That so-called "Mexican style" of come-forward fighting is tailor made for him. He gets shots off, escapes at odd angles, pivots, fires, repeat. He can overwhelm GGG, I think, at least in spots. Not stop him, because GGG seems to have a chin cast of titanium, but he may inflict damage like Margarito. Guys that fall for that "oh, he's so small, let me run him over" end up with a rude awakening. Especially if he's depleted at 154 or less, I think Pacquiao could do some damage to him, at least the Margarito version. At the very least, I think he matches up better with him than Floyd does, mainly because of how well he performs against guys that try to cut the ring off on him. Like I said, if he wants to come back and really reclaim that "spot" he had, he can take him on and legitimately say "I'm doing something Floyd wouldn't" and take on this killer. What a matchup it would be?
Shows you what I know. I thought that you were being sarcastic. Styles do make fights. And where as da Manny has hell with a Floyd and a Marquez, he would bust a 3g -- Margarito style. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

Some great posts deep shadow doctor and RG. Unfortunately Manny is nowhere near his prime. Manny went hell and back against Marg and I think 3G is far better stalking his opponents. Don't get me wrong its a fun exciting match but Manny just had too many tough fights under him. I have never seen a man work as hard as PAC whenpreparing for a fight. Imagine training the same way all the time even after all those tough fights Manny has had.


-Domenic :

I think his point was that if he wanted to go to middleweight for history, there are far more reasons -- and less danger -- for him to fight Cotto as opposed to GGG. Which effectively kills it, knowing that Floyd is a 38-year-old prizefighter. On a different note, If Pacquiao wants to come back with a big bang, he should say, "Floyd is scared of GGG. I'LL take him on!" Wouldn't that be something? I actually tend to think that Pacquiao matches up better with GGG stylistically than Floyd. I can see Manny getting off 800+ punches in that fight. When he has that sort of volume, he aint' losing. Your thoughts? (And others', of course.)
If Pacquiao were to call out Golovkin, that would definitely be returning with a bang. I don't quite see it though. After all, Manny lost to Floyd, thus there's no mandate, and he doesn't depict himself as the best fighter P4P in all of human history. Floyd does. The best fighter who has ever walked the globe doesn't need coaxing/convincing/confidence boosters to take on a challenge. And it's not like he's being asked to fight Klitschko. Floyd held a strap 6 pounds south of middleweight eons ago. It also offers him the richest fight legacy-wise. If he wins, he'll rocket to the top of all time P4P lists in not only his own eyes, but the people's eyes. Naysayers would forever be quieted. He's got to know this fight is out there. If we know it, he knows it. I've never heard him comment on it, but I hope the next guy to interview him asks about Golovkin, Golovkin's being undefeated (something Floyd places great stock in), and if it's something he'd seriously consider. If he says no, the guy is too big, dangerous, whatever, that's fine too. At least we'll know. It doesn't need to be a gotcha type deal, but a serious interview with his unfiltered, sincere thoughts on it.


-Yogo :

Crikey! GGG would swat da Manny like a bug, Y'all going crazy! Quillen, Lee, N'dam/Lemieux have to be the next opponents for GGG, as for Manny, he should retire after a relatively comfortable fight in Macau. The guys a legend at the end of the road why on earth would he want to go in against a huge killing Machine??


-The Shadow :

If Pacquiao were to call out Golovkin, that would definitely be returning with a bang. I don't quite see it though. After all, Manny lost to Floyd, thus there's no mandate, and he doesn't depict himself as the best fighter P4P in all of human history. Floyd does. The best fighter who has ever walked the globe doesn't need coaxing/convincing/confidence boosters to take on a challenge. And it's not like he's being asked to fight Klitschko. Floyd held a strap 6 pounds south of middleweight eons ago. It also offers him the richest fight legacy-wise. If he wins, he'll rocket to the top of all time P4P lists in not only his own eyes, but the people's eyes. Naysayers would forever be quieted. He's got to know this fight is out there. If we know it, he knows it. I've never heard him comment on it, but I hope the next guy to interview him asks about Golovkin, Golovkin's being undefeated (something Floyd places great stock in), and if it's something he'd seriously consider. If he says no, the guy is too big, dangerous, whatever, that's fine too. At least we'll know. It doesn't need to be a gotcha type deal, but a serious interview with his unfiltered, sincere thoughts on it.
He actually has said it. He didn't address Golovkin directly because he knows that if he speaks on someone, it gets them six figures worth of publicity and he doesn't like doing that without getting paid -- especially someone whose team is BLATANTLY piggybacking off his name. He's even said that. "I don't let them bait me in." (Notice in interviews, if someone asks him about a person, example being a UK reporter asking about a British fighter, he won't comment on it. He knows it will lead to headlines, free publicity and possibly be spun into something that just leads to more money for said fighter.) But when asked directly, he said no. "I can't even make '54." So he has actually said he wouldn't go to 160. I've actually seen him comment on it about three times, off the top of my head. If I find the videos I'll shoot it over if you want.


-brownsugar :

Good sleuthing as always Shadow. I had a five page vitriolic and scathing rebuke to this article and its ridiculous premise. But its funny how a night on the town can take the fight out of you the following morning. But you are correct, Floyd is aware of Golovkin. He picked the round GGG would stop Monroe and won a tidy sum which he posted along with the ticket on one of the social media sites. Floyd won't be drawn into the group mentality of fighting someone with as much size advantage as GGG has.


-Radam G :

Good sleuthing as always Shadow. I had a five page vitriolic and scathing rebuke to this article and its ridiculous premise. But its funny how a night on the town can take the fight out of you the following morning. But you are correct, Floyd is aware of Golovkin. He picked the round GGG would stop Monroe and won a tidy sum which he posted along with the ticket on one of the social media sites. Floyd won't be drawn into the group mentality of fighting someone with as much size advantage as GGG has.
Body size doesn't mean syet. Lil Floyd is not interested because of prize side -- money -- not pride side. Holla!


-brownsugar :

"I knew you'd say that" ...in my Judge Dredd voice, .. I'm not repeating my argument. I hereby rest my case. I understand you feel differently. I'm just happy that the consensus of most professional boxers is also the same. Enjoy the holiday weekend.....I'll be grillin' and chillin' all weekend.


-Radam G :

Guarantee Money May $150 mil and that 3g comes in at 155, Money May will go for it. And torch 3g's drained arse for an easy payday. Holla!


-Domenic :

He actually has said it. He didn't address Golovkin directly because he knows that if he speaks on someone, it gets them six figures worth of publicity and he doesn't like doing that without getting paid -- especially someone whose team is BLATANTLY piggybacking off his name. He's even said that. "I don't let them bait me in." (Notice in interviews, if someone asks him about a person, example being a UK reporter asking about a British fighter, he won't comment on it. He knows it will lead to headlines, free publicity and possibly be spun into something that just leads to more money for said fighter.) But when asked directly, he said no. "I can't even make '54." So he has actually said he wouldn't go to 160. I've actually seen him comment on it about three times, off the top of my head. If I find the videos I'll shoot it over if you want.
If you get the chance, please do post the links, as I haven't been able to find any through a cursory search. Thanks. I did see where FM Sr. refers to Golovkin as a 'giant,' but still thinks it's a winnable fight for Floyd.
->http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2460639-floyd-mayweather-would-beat-gennady-golovkin-predicts-moneys-father


-deepwater2 :

Maxim 173 vs Robinson 157. It has been done. It will be done.That is all.