Floyd Mayweather Jr. The Best Ever?  Hardly

Now that the super fight, the “Fight of the Century” is history it’s time to reflect. Is Floyd Mayweather Jr. the best ever, as he and his supporters claim? Not even close..

However, he is the best of his era and that is something to applaud and appreciate. But, don’t tarnish the legacy of the true greats of yesterday. Today’s fighters do not have an opportunity to become as skilled and proficient as those in bygone eras. There are no exceptional teachers of the science of boxing, no longer are there the “learning” bouts against other highly skilled competitors. Today, it is all about money, advancing careers through careful matchmaking and protecting the few “chosen” ones. It is about hype fueled by the lack of knowledge and understanding of history by the media and acceptance by the public of incorrect information.

We are told that because Mayweather is undefeated at 48-0 he must by the best of all time. We are told that he might beat Rocky Marciano’s record of 49-0 before he retires. What is important to keep in mind is who that record was built against. Floyd had life-and-death battles with Jose Luis Castillo, an aggressive former champ, but not a great fighter. Floyd also stated that Emanuel Augustus gave him one of the toughest fights of his career. Augustus was an accomplished “old-school” fighter who almost lost as many fights as he won (38-34-6).

Danish heavyweight Brian Nielsen brought his record to 49-0 before losing to Dicky Ryan by tenth round stoppage. Ryan was no more than a fair club fighter. Nielsen could hardly be described as a “top” fighter. On the other hand, “Fearless” Freddie Pendleton had a record dotted with many early losses but became a respected world champion. Fritzie Zivic, who lost 65 professional fights is regarded as one of the true greats, was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and defeated the great Henry Armstrong in taking his welterweight title. He also won 158 fights.

I quickly jotted down 50 names of great fighters from the lightweight, welterweight and Jr. middleweight divisions. In my humble opinion, Mayweather would be hard-pressed to win any of these mythical matches if he fought them at various stages of his career while moving up from the lightweight division. At best, he might be 50-50 against some of them. If he did not get discouraged and/or retire before fighting all 50 fighters on the list he conceivably could have been 0-50. In no particular order:

  1. Ray Robinson
  2. Henry Armstrong
  3. Aaron Pryor
  4. Thomas Hearns
  5. Roberto Duran
  6. Wilfredo Benitez
  7. Kid Gavilan
  8. Emile Griffith
  9. Luis Rodriguez
  10. Ceferino Garcia
  11. Carmen Basilio
  12. Tony Demarco
  13. Billy Graham
  14. Felix Trinidad
  15. Barney Ross
  16. Mike McCallum
  17. Pernell Whitaker
  18. Julio Cesar Chavez
  19. Esteban DeJesus
  20. Benny Leonard
  21. Tony Canzoneri
  22. Beau Jack
  23. Carlos Ortiz
  24. Jose Napoles
  25. Fritzie Zivic
  26. Mickey Walker
  27. Charley Burley
  28. Jimmy McLarnin
  29. Ray Leonard
  30. Duilio Loi
  31. Terry Norris
  32. Jack Britton
  33. Ted “Kid” Lewis
  34. Holman Williams
  35. Cocoa Kid
  36. Ike Williams
  37. Lou Ambers
  38. Jack Blackburn
  39. Barbados Joe Walcott
  40. Marcel Cerdan
  41. Young Corbett III
  42. Gaspar Ortega
  43. Gypsy Joe Harris
  44. Sam Langford
  45. Bernard Docusen
  46. Bobby Dykes
  47. Johnny Saxton
  48. Tommy Bell
  49. Eddie Booker
  50. Bob Montgomery

What also confuses me is the reference to Rocky Marciano’s record of 49-0. Marciano was a heavyweight. Mayweather is not. There were many fighters throughout history who amassed more than 50 consecutive wins in the lighter weight classes. As a matter of fact, Harry Greb was 45-0 in 1919 alone. It would seem more appropriate to compare him with those winning streaks. For example here are just a few (in no particular order):

  1. Jimmy Wilde 103
  2. Carlos Monzon 80
  3. Julio Cesar Chavez 89
  4. Willie Pep 62 and after his first loss 72
  5. Ray Robinson 91
  6. Pedro Carrasco 93
  7. Roberto Duran 73
  8. Ricardo Lopez 51
  9. Marcel Cerdan 67
  10. Hal Bagwell 175 (total fights 180 record 175-0 with 2 draws and 3 no contests)
  11. Nino Benvenuti 65
  12. Pete Sanstol 60
  13. Carlos Zarate 51
  14. Packy McFarland 104
  15. Johnny Dundee 144
  16. Jimmy Barry 59
  17. Buck Smith 107
  18. Harry Greb 78
  19. Duili Loi 72
  20. Nicolino Loche 55

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is to be commended, applauded and accepted as the best of this era and that is something to be proud of. But, please, don’t confuse his talent and skill level to be on a par with the true greats who fought often, anywhere and against each other.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. TBE (The best ever) – hardly.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. TBT (The best today) – definitely.

NOTE: Steven J. Canton operates the SJC Boxing Club in Fort Myers, Florida. He is author of Tributes, Memories and Observations of the Sweet Science.

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COMMENTS

-Matthew :

I think this article puts things in proper perspective. I can see Mayweather beating a few of the guys on this list, but not very many. His defensive ability would keep him competitive, but these guys were truly all-time greats; Mayweather, in my opinion, is not. Nobody born before 1985 take's Mayweather's "TBE" claim seriously.


-deepwater2 :

Yeah but non of those 50 fighters had a hat with TBE on it. Seriously this clip puts it all in perspective. Good work.


-mortcola :

Here?s a re-run of a piece I just added to another article: OK, here?s a weird conversation piece. Floyd had a few lovely KOs full of slick combination punching early in his career. But this last ten years or so, when his legacy was really formed....Floyd identified himself as the man who could get the world to pay lots of money to see not much happen. An artful neutralization of the art of boxing. A man whose skills are about not getting hurt while hurting his opponent as little as possible. Doers he have ....preternatural....abilities to anticipate punches, and to counter one at a time? Yes, he is one of the best in history at this. Made ya miss - BIP. Made ya miss - BIP. Made ya miss - BIP. Rematch? Only to that rare fighter who managed to give him a boo-boo as a result of a rare miscalculation. To some very knowledgeable people, this is just fine in the ?he is great? follies. But, as a practitioner, consumer, and analyst of boxing, while I admire his mastery of his physical and spatio-sensory apparatus, much as I would admire a tightrope walker or juggler of seventeen flaming turds, I have decided that Floyd is an anti-fighter, a neutralizer of the one thing that makes boxing different from all other feats of bodily wowweeness - triumph with/during/over adversity. I no longer even believe that ranking him among ?greats? makes any sense - it is a category error. Floyd is a practitioner of a scam in which he uses a few bizarre skills to get rich, while no one is at any risk of being harmed. Stacked up next to all the greats, he avoids the one thing they all have in common. Now do I blame him for getting rich while not getting hurt? Hell no. But he isn?t even in the same sport as Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, and Duran (all of whom would have harmed him - heh heh, couldn?t help that one), or Louis, Dempsey, Ali, Robinson, Jones, Saddler....sad as it is , at least Roy Jones still engages in the sport I love. Getting hurt couldn?t spoil it for him. So he is still a fighter. Just not a good one any more. Floyd isn?t a fighter at all, even though he is great at the pseudo-fighting he perpetrates - ?pure? boxing so pure, like homeopathic medicine, there?s nothing left in it except the rigor with which it is reduced to nothingness.


-deepwater2 :

Here’s a re-run of a piece I just added to another article: OK, here’s a weird conversation piece. Floyd had a few lovely KOs full of slick combination punching early in his career. But this last ten years or so, when his legacy was really formed....Floyd identified himself as the man who could get the world to pay lots of money to see not much happen. An artful neutralization of the art of boxing. A man whose skills are about not getting hurt while hurting his opponent as little as possible. Doers he have ....preternatural....abilities to anticipate punches, and to counter one at a time? Yes, he is one of the best in history at this. Made ya miss - BIP. Made ya miss - BIP. Made ya miss - BIP. Rematch? Only to that rare fighter who managed to give him a boo-boo as a result of a rare miscalculation. To some very knowledgeable people, this is just fine in the “he is great” follies. But, as a practitioner, consumer, and analyst of boxing, while I admire his mastery of his physical and spatio-sensory apparatus, much as I would admire a tightrope walker or juggler of seventeen flaming turds, I have decided that Floyd is an anti-fighter, a neutralizer of the one thing that makes boxing different from all other feats of bodily wowweeness - triumph with/during/over adversity. I no longer even believe that ranking him among “greats” makes any sense - it is a category error. Floyd is a practitioner of a scam in which he uses a few bizarre skills to get rich, while no one is at any risk of being harmed. Stacked up next to all the greats, he avoids the one thing they all have in common. Now do I blame him for getting rich while not getting hurt? Hell no. But he isn’t even in the same sport as Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, and Duran (all of whom would have harmed him - heh heh, couldn’t help that one), or Louis, Dempsey, Ali, Robinson, Jones, Saddler....sad as it is , at least Roy Jones still engages in the sport I love. Getting hurt couldn’t spoil it for him. So he is still a fighter. Just not a good one any more. Floyd isn’t a fighter at all, even though he is great at the pseudo-fighting he perpetrates - “pure” boxing so pure, like homeopathic medicine, there’s nothing left in it except the rigor with which it is reduced to nothingness.
Well said.


-Matthew :

Spot on, Mortcola.


-amayseng :

Excellent article because it is factual. Floyd is a master of what he does and good for him but he is not a top 30 ATG, no way now how. Mortcola is correct as Floyd is an anti fighter. There was NOT one exciting thing Floyd did in his defining fight against Pac. Not one. At least I can remember Pac countering with a pull straight left and sending Floyd staggering to the ropes hurt covering up. Name one moment where Floyd was exciting in that fight?


-deepwater2 :

Excellent article because it is factual. Floyd is a master of what he does and good for him but he is not a top 30 ATG, no way now how. Mortcola is correct as Floyd is an anti fighter. There was NOT one exciting thing Floyd did in his defining fight against Pac. Not one. At least I can remember Pac countering with a pull straight left and sending Floyd staggering to the ropes hurt covering up. Name one moment where Floyd was exciting in that fight?
Floyd Sr,in the corner, was more exciting throwing combos so close to his son's face


-amayseng :

Floyd Sr,in the corner, was more exciting throwing combos so close to his son's face
Floyd sr was freaking out telling Floyd to stop fighting scared. Roger said Pac fought a good fight. I had it 6-5-1 for Floyd. just because Pac didnt do what was expected by throwing 100 punches per round does not mean he didn't box well and out box Floyd a lot of rounds. People are biased. Any Floyd fan here had it a bias 12-0 or 10-2 , hell Storm probably scored it 15-0 for Floyd in a 12 round fight!!


-Matthew :

I actually scored the fight 115-113 for Mayweather. I was a little surprised by my scorecard, because I thought Mayweather was the clear winner, but there were stretches when Mayweather did virtually nothing offensively, and that's when Pacquiao was more active. While Pacquiao wouldn't or couldn't let his hands go enough to do much damage, I did think he hurt Floyd with that straight left hand in (I believe) the fourth round. I didn't see it as the whitewash most people did.


-SouthPawFlo :

I think Mayweather's greatness as a fighter is more than just his record, he's by far the "Best" at Commanding an audience, and commandeering a Large purse for his fights, and he's been saying it for years that he's managed to get thru 48 fights with very few wars, so he may be the Best at winning fights while taking as little punishment as possible, I don't like to do all time list so I won't partake in any talk of him being the TBE, because you never know what would have went down in a ring and a single punch can end a fight in this sport, but he may have earned more money in the ring than the top 20 other all time great welterweights... And that's what I think will be his legacy his ability to KO the Bank


-The Shadow :

Floyd sr was freaking out telling Floyd to stop fighting scared. Roger said Pac fought a good fight. I had it 6-5-1 for Floyd. just because Pac didnt do what was expected by throwing 100 punches per round does not mean he didn't box well and out box Floyd a lot of rounds. People are biased. Any Floyd fan here had it a bias 12-0 or 10-2 , hell Storm probably scored it 15-0 for Floyd in a 12 round fight!!
Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean it's bias. I saw it 9-3/10-2, just like 90% of observers, neophytes or experts, watching the fight. Does that make me biased? I definitely didn't have it 12-0 (I get that you're just kidding) but I couldn't give #48 more than three rounds. Honestly, anything better than 8-4, to me, is a little out there. But that's why there are three judges. One guy may like one style. But I definitely didn't see any real aggression. Pacquiao tried to box with Floyd. Floyd practically neutered him. It wasn't by excessive clinching either. Ali clinched Frazier as much, if not more, in the first round of both two fights as Mayweather did in the whole fight. As far as exciting, I liked how Money fought the 11th round when he came out with the intent to kick his a**, chasing him across the ring. To his credit, Pacquiao, like a bank robber, fled effectively. Besides, the name of his game is to win, not to excite. People are there to see him lose so his job is simply to not do that, thus keeping people coming back for more. His dad was pissed and actually was considering not working his corner anymore. He just didn't understand why his son was carrying an obviously overmatched opponent with zero shot of ever beating him in a million years, even with supplements in him. So I can understand Big Floyd's frustration because it was a mismatch, talent and skill wise. To Pacquiao's credit, he had added some new strategic wrinkles and he has tons of world class experience. That guy, to me, is one of the most improved fighters (skill wise) over the past 15 years when you watch some of his early championship fights. And Big Floyd's got some hand speed on him, doesn't he? He probably stops 48. LOL


-New York Tony :

Excellent article - clear-headed and clearly written.


-Radam G :

Nothing that I could add to this piece. Lil Floyd was a great junior lightweight, not a great welterweight. Of that list, the way that he has developed as as a pug, he would be darn near 0-50. The best defense is, and always has and will be complemented by an awesome offense, i.e., Willie Pep, Sweet Pea Whitaker, Benny Leonard, Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benetiz, James Toney and Finito Lopez, just to name a few. Money May's defense at welter and light middle is hyped and exaggerated because he always fought an opponent with damages, weight drained or on the downslde. Holla!


-Matthew :

Well said, Radam. At 130 lbs, Mayweather was fun and exciting to watch. In terms of accomplishments, I would put him on par with Arguello in that weight class (I think he beats El Flaco Explosivo in a mythical matchup at 130).


-deepwater2 :

Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean it's bias. I saw it 9-3/10-2, just like 90% of observers, neophytes or experts, watching the fight. Does that make me biased? I definitely didn't have it 12-0 (I get that you're just kidding) but I couldn't give #48 more than three rounds. Honestly, anything better than 8-4, to me, is a little out there. But that's why there are three judges. One guy may like one style. But I definitely didn't see any real aggression. Pacquiao tried to box with Floyd. Floyd practically neutered him. It wasn't by excessive clinching either. Ali clinched Frazier as much, if not more, in the first round of both two fights as Mayweather did in the whole fight. As far as exciting, I liked how Money fought the 11th round when he came out with the intent to kick his a**, chasing him across the ring. To his credit, Pacquiao, like a bank robber, fled effectively. Besides, the name of his game is to win, not to excite. People are there to see him lose so his job is simply to not do that, thus keeping people coming back for more. His dad was pissed and actually was considering not working his corner anymore. He just didn't understand why his son was carrying an obviously overmatched opponent with zero shot of ever beating him in a million years, even with supplements in him. So I can understand Big Floyd's frustration because it was a mismatch, talent and skill wise. To Pacquiao's credit, he had added some new strategic wrinkles and he has tons of world class experience. That guy, to me, is one of the most improved fighters (skill wise) over the past 15 years when you watch some of his early championship fights. And Big Floyd's got some hand speed on him, doesn't he? He probably stops 48. LOL
Big Floyd could stop lil Floyd if he landed. I spoke to many fans that night that watched the fight live and they thought PAC won because he pressed the action. Even the Floyd fans were underwhelmed with the whole thing.Holyfield and Mosley thought PAC won. Some guys on the internet have the slow mo videos going and PAC landed more than compubox gave him credit for. Either way that fight was disappointing , I was expecting more of a fight. If Floyd doesn't take the gamble and try to grab a 160 title he should fight Brook or Thurman. Not too many other fights are interesting,


-The Good Doctor :

Floyd sr was freaking out telling Floyd to stop fighting scared. Roger said Pac fought a good fight. I had it 6-5-1 for Floyd. just because Pac didnt do what was expected by throwing 100 punches per round does not mean he didn't box well and out box Floyd a lot of rounds. People are biased. Any Floyd fan here had it a bias 12-0 or 10-2 , hell Storm probably scored it 15-0 for Floyd in a 12 round fight!!
I am not a Floyd fanboy at all, I watched it alone, with the sound off, and reviewed parts as the fight went on (boxing nerd, I know). I scored it 9-3 Floyd, could see it 10-2 or 8-4. No bias here at all............. Ok maybe a little................and it leans towards Pac Floyd Sr was freaking out because he thought that Floyd needed to shoeshine Pac as he thought the judges would do their best to give Pac the fight. Pac fought a good fight in spots but if you review the footage there was one very clear thing. If Floyd was off the ropes, Pac was having major trouble finding him and taking some pot shots while doing so. If Floyd keeps it in the center for most of the fight, it is close to a shutout. Also people tend to make Compubox out to be wishy washy and is a slightly flawed system but in every fight, it does tell a story. I would dare anyone to find a decent amount of fights that went 12 rounds where the following happened to one of the combatants: Landed less than 20% of their total punches Connect percentage was slightly over half of the other fighter Threw less total punches Landed 20% less power punches than their opponent Out jabbed 3 to 1 and landed an average of 1 per round Missed over 90% of the jabs thrown Landed an average of 6 punches a round versus eating 12. Got hit with one of every two power punches thrown. ...........and they won the fight or it even be very close. I am not saying that it couldn't happen but it is a reach. I am not saying that Compubox is end all be all because it's not. I am not one that subscribes to the theory that numbers never lie. I do subscribe that sometimes they don't tell the whole truth. However, numbers are always telling in one way or another. I find it hard to believe that we arrived at the following stats and that it was really that close.


-Radam G :

I am not a Floyd fanboy at all, I watched it alone, with the sound off, and reviewed parts as the fight went on (boxing nerd, I know). I scored it 9-3 Floyd, could see it 10-2 or 8-4. No bias here at all............. Ok maybe a little................and it leans towards Pac Floyd Sr was freaking out because he thought that Floyd needed to shoeshine Pac as he thought the judges would do their best to give Pac the fight. Pac fought a good fight in spots but if you review the footage there was one very clear thing. If Floyd was off the ropes, Pac was having major trouble finding him and taking some pot shots while doing so. If Floyd keeps it in the center for most of the fight, it is close to a shutout. Also people tend to make Compubox out to be wishy washy and is a slightly flawed system but in every fight, it does tell a story. I would dare anyone to find a decent amount of fights that went 12 rounds where the following happened to one of the combatants: Landed less than 20% of their total punches Connect percentage was slightly over half of the other fighter Threw less total punches Landed 20% less power punches than their opponent Out jabbed 3 to 1 and landed an average of 1 per round Missed over 90% of the jabs thrown Landed an average of 6 punches a round versus eating 12. Got hit with one of every two power punches thrown. ...........and they won the fight or it even be very close. I am not saying that it couldn't happen but it is a reach. I am not saying that Compubox is end all be all because it's not. I am not one that subscribes to the theory that numbers never lie. I do subscribe that sometimes they don't tell the whole truth. However, numbers are always telling in one way or another. I find it hard to believe that we arrived at the following stats and that it was really that close.
All is in the eyes and maybe brain of the beholder. I scored the scrap 4-4-4. Da Manny couldn't do syet. And Money May didn't do syet. It was a terrible scrap with lots of hugging and not slugging. Looking and but not hooking. Posing and barely ever closing. Both pugs got mean pay. But they didn't play. Even with that, Pops Joy May was not okay. Holla!


-Michael Andrews :

Pacquaio a true Christian?, ? I shelt not lie ? (to thy self) (other) or (bear false witness against your neighbor) ?Pre-Fight Medical Questionnaire,? a form that Pacquaio filled out the day before the Mayweather fight. Checked no injury?, Shoulder injury due to sparring? Shoulder injury in round 4,? Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Pacquaio, ? God will deliver Mayweather in my hands?. Taking the Lord?s name in vain, this injunction takes aim at a deed of wrongful speech?speech that is, in fact, vain, light in weight and empty of truth. To speak falsely is to pervert the power of reasoned speech and to insult the divine original,


-amayseng :

I am not a Floyd fanboy at all, I watched it alone, with the sound off, and reviewed parts as the fight went on (boxing nerd, I know). I scored it 9-3 Floyd, could see it 10-2 or 8-4. No bias here at all............. Ok maybe a little................and it leans towards Pac Floyd Sr was freaking out because he thought that Floyd needed to shoeshine Pac as he thought the judges would do their best to give Pac the fight. Pac fought a good fight in spots but if you review the footage there was one very clear thing. If Floyd was off the ropes, Pac was having major trouble finding him and taking some pot shots while doing so. If Floyd keeps it in the center for most of the fight, it is close to a shutout. Also people tend to make Compubox out to be wishy washy and is a slightly flawed system but in every fight, it does tell a story. I would dare anyone to find a decent amount of fights that went 12 rounds where the following happened to one of the combatants: Landed less than 20% of their total punches Connect percentage was slightly over half of the other fighter Threw less total punches Landed 20% less power punches than their opponent Out jabbed 3 to 1 and landed an average of 1 per round Missed over 90% of the jabs thrown Landed an average of 6 punches a round versus eating 12. Got hit with one of every two power punches thrown. ...........and they won the fight or it even be very close. I am not saying that it couldn't happen but it is a reach. I am not saying that Compubox is end all be all because it's not. I am not one that subscribes to the theory that numbers never lie. I do subscribe that sometimes they don't tell the whole truth. However, numbers are always telling in one way or another. I find it hard to believe that we arrived at the following stats and that it was really that close.
Compubox are absolutely inaccurate as you have humans trying to catch the action live and click a punch landed or missed button. it is FAR from telling any story of a fight rewatch the fight in slow motion and you will see many rounds Pac won he was landing shots that in real time Floyd was masterful at rolling and giving the illusion they were just missing. Those are scoring blows. I have the rounds written down somewhere I will track them down.


-The Good Doctor :

Compubox are absolutely inaccurate as you have humans trying to catch the action live and click a punch landed or missed button. it is FAR from telling any story of a fight rewatch the fight in slow motion and you will see many rounds Pac won he was landing shots that in real time Floyd was masterful at rolling and giving the illusion they were just missing. Those are scoring blows. I have the rounds written down somewhere I will track them down.
I agree they are inaccurate but not beyond the boundaries of reason. They are a reflection is what most people see and feel. Do the eyes lie on occasion and do emotions overtake you? Yes, it happens. However, the majority of the time they tell you the truth. I say majority because sometime we do have bad judging and refereeing but despite what media and the average public thinks, most fights are judged on a reasonable level. Compubox is a system where people basically see something then attempt to make a mental and/or physical notation of what they see at that moment. I would argue that judging, refereeing to some extent and training encompass the same process. I am sure that you and I watched the fight with equal detail and acuity. I would also argue that if in fact punches were missed by judges, the ones they missed were not very impactful ones (although that doesn't always matter) and I would find it hard to believe it to be enough to swing 3 different rounds just to get a draw in most people's opinion.


-The Shadow :

Pacquaio a true Christian?, ? I shelt not lie ? (to thy self) (other) or (bear false witness against your neighbor) ?Pre-Fight Medical Questionnaire,? a form that Pacquaio filled out the day before the Mayweather fight. Checked no injury?, Shoulder injury due to sparring? Shoulder injury in round 4,? Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Pacquaio, ? God will deliver Mayweather in my hands?. Taking the Lord?s name in vain, this injunction takes aim at a deed of wrongful speech?speech that is, in fact, vain, light in weight and empty of truth. To speak falsely is to pervert the power of reasoned speech and to insult the divine original,
Indeed, the good book speaks about antichrist and false prophets. Nothing new. Just like #44 discharged the same vernal gonorrhea, #48 sounded just like another recent false prophet who claimed to be a mercenary of God sent forth to slay the evil urban gentile, only to be disposed/exposed as yet another Baal. Isn't it ironic. What's crazier is that it was suggested that a post-fight bible study would "save" the sinner after God would deliver him into the hands of the Holy Forty Eight. Guess he couldn't shoulder the load. That's OK. You know, I also found it interesting to note that after the delivery never showed -- I guess the father forsook him -- there wasn't even a peep about this spiritual bonding session he kept speaking of. Hmm.


-amayseng :

I agree they are inaccurate but not beyond the boundaries of reason. They are a reflection is what most people see and feel. Do the eyes lie on occasion and do emotions overtake you? Yes, it happens. However, the majority of the time they tell you the truth. I say majority because sometime we do have bad judging and refereeing but despite what media and the average public thinks, most fights are judged on a reasonable level. Compubox is a system where people basically see something then attempt to make a mental and/or physical notation of what they see at that moment. I would argue that judging, refereeing to some extent and training encompass the same process. I am sure that you and I watched the fight with equal detail and acuity. I would also argue that if in fact punches were missed by judges, the ones they missed were not very impactful ones (although that doesn't always matter) and I would find it hard to believe it to be enough to swing 3 different rounds just to get a draw in most people's opinion.
i disagree in a case when a round goes to a fighter for out landing his opponent 10-8 and 3 power shots were not counted that could have swung the round in his favor. 2 rounds like that take a fight from 8-4 to 6-6. BIG difference.


-Radam G :

I agree they are inaccurate but not beyond the boundaries of reason. They are a reflection is what most people see and feel. Do the eyes lie on occasion and do emotions overtake you? Yes, it happens. However, the majority of the time they tell you the truth. I say majority because sometime we do have bad judging and refereeing but despite what media and the average public thinks, most fights are judged on a reasonable level. Compubox is a system where people basically see something then attempt to make a mental and/or physical notation of what they see at that moment. I would argue that judging, refereeing to some extent and training encompass the same process. I am sure that you and I watched the fight with equal detail and acuity. I would also argue that if in fact punches were missed by judges, the ones they missed were not very impactful ones (although that doesn't always matter) and I would find it hard to believe it to be enough to swing 3 different rounds just to get a draw in most people's opinion.
Compujive is feature nonsense. My family has a system that actual count every single punch -- scoring and no scoring -- in real time. The politricks of the game does not want actuality of the reality. Most of the powers that be want to keep employment and keep cheating. JSTYWK, most of Money May's punches didn't land. And the ones that did were not powerful enough to be scoring on anhpybody's Richter scale. This is why many people -- including Pop Joy May -- thought that Lil Floyd lost. Holla!


-Radam G :

Pacquaio a true Christian?, “ I shelt not lie ” (to thy self) (other) or (bear false witness against your neighbor) “Pre-Fight Medical Questionnaire,” a form that Pacquaio filled out the day before the Mayweather fight. Checked no injury?, Shoulder injury due to sparring? Shoulder injury in round 4,? Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. Pacquaio, “ God will deliver Mayweather in my hands”. Taking the Lord’s name in vain, this injunction takes aim at a deed of wrongful speech—speech that is, in fact, vain, light in weight and empty of truth. To speak falsely is to pervert the power of reasoned speech and to insult the divine original,
Your bullsyet is nonsense. Nobody hold a fighter by that religious-talk syet. It is just fluster and luster and will not pass muster. People in the military talk that syet and then go and kill every baby in the village and rape the mothers and girl. Picking Da Manny out for criticism is just a personal bullsyet-hate with you under any of your pseudonyms, first timer as Michael Anythony -- the name of one of Da Manny's son. C'mon, dude! Knock off the bullsyet. 100 percent of humans aren't all that they say. Nor do they 100 percent try to be. He who has not sin, cast the first rock, BYTCH! That is what I though! You cannot! Holla!


-Radam G :

Where is our residential troll. I don't see him too eager to tell the boksing journalist of this piece to substantiate. Hehe! Bytch-arse dimwitted troll. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

When it comes to Mayweather, nobody moves the needle like he does, two weeks removed from his last fight he's still the talk of the boxing worth, articles still dominate boxing websites and blogs (including this one) even tho we've had to two weeks of big time fights since then... People spend sooooooo much time dissecting what he does or doesn't do when in reality it's hard to argue with his in the ring accomplishments... People always talk about his apparent Cherry picking as if he went thru the amateurs and the Olympics, and the first 12 years of his career picking his own opponents, Floyd didn't start calling the shots for his fights until after the Oscar fight, when he was already 40-0, but somehow people forget that... And then people "discredit" him because he doesn't go thru wars when the guys that the public said have him problems he vanquished easily in immediate rematches, then it was he has trouble with southpaws, he clinches too much, he uses too much movement, he doesn't go for KO's and a list of other reasons why people choose not to like him, but at the end of the day he's been a World Champion for almost 2 decades, and not a paper champion he didn't win vacant titles he beat fighters for their belts, I will not say he's the "best ever" but I've never seen anyone stay on top of the sport as long as he has, even with his skills eroding with age she still looks a class above everyone he faces.....


-The Shadow :

When it comes to Mayweather, nobody moves the needle like he does, two weeks removed from his last fight he's still the talk of the boxing worth, articles still dominate boxing websites and blogs (including this one) even tho we've had to two weeks of big time fights since then... People spend sooooooo much time dissecting what he does or doesn't do when in reality it's hard to argue with his in the ring accomplishments... People always talk about his apparent Cherry picking as if he went thru the amateurs and the Olympics, and the first 12 years of his career picking his own opponents, Floyd didn't start calling the shots for his fights until after the Oscar fight, when he was already 40-0, but somehow people forget that... And then people "discredit" him because he doesn't go thru wars when the guys that the public said have him problems he vanquished easily in immediate rematches, then it was he has trouble with southpaws, he clinches too much, he uses too much movement, he doesn't go for KO's and a list of other reasons why people choose not to like him, but at the end of the day he's been a World Champion for almost 2 decades, and not a paper champion he didn't win vacant titles he beat fighters for their belts, I will not say he's the "best ever" but I've never seen anyone stay on top of the sport as long as he has, even with his skills eroding with age she still looks a class above everyone he faces.....
Thread. Over.


-stormcentre :

Where is our residential troll. I don't see him too eager to tell the boksing journalist of this piece to substantiate. Hehe! Bytch-arse dimwitted troll. Holla!
Hey Donkey Clown, We have actually been waiting for you to both; A) Put your DonkeyHoof in your DonkeyMouth and lead with it again. B) Get your DonkeyNose from out under your tail. And, judging from how you walked right into this one with your above and most recent infinitely clueless post; we didn't have to wait long. So, thanks for that. Seriously though, we have actually been waiting for you to come good on your offer to explain here...
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82192&viewfull=1#post82192 But you have been nowhere to be found. Remember that? That was the ""20 other middleweight champions who were all smaller than Money May, came from lightweight/welterweight, and won titles at middleweight"" when you were lying to save yet another probably equally concerning and deserted (when asked to explain) claim of yours. Clever Donkey aren't you ?!!!!

Here he is - you know you deserve him. Moving on . . . The (as we held our breath on your above-mentioned promise to explain your reliable PacQueen self) we had a laugh at how you can't follow through on even your own claims to explain; that themselves DonkeyOriginated from yet another wild DonkeyPost that you were slaughtered on; here . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82198&viewfull=1#post82198 Then, as we waited for Ronnie to rub your hindquarters and (no doubt) use that award for journalistic excellence you were given last week for emitting your last episodic series of unsubstantiated rubbish and credibility losing diatribe; we went over here and laughed at WitchDoctorDonkey some more .. .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21096-The-Future-Mystery-of-Mr-Mayweather&p=82177&viewfull=1#post82177 Then we went over here and highlighted your DonkeyHypocrisy here (all as we waited for you to explain, just one of your DonkeyMagic claims) . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82275&viewfull=1#post82275 But but then, you were still not only galloping wildly away from yourself and your claims - but busy releasing others of similar quality, so we decided to go here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82277&viewfull=1#post82277 So, really, your TruthTroll has been where he always is; waiting for you to show that there is area of discussion that we can consider you reliable and consistent on. But sadly, it is ReliableDonkey that has not showed; only DonkeyClown. Anyway, thanks for your hilariously idiotic and predictable above post, and for also giving us the opportunity to remind readers of just how much of a DonkeyWonderlandDreamingInhabitant you really are. Without your oversights and inability to think before posting, none of this would be possible. For your information, it is obvious that the author to the piece that you refer is using the same logic as shadow and I point out in the above provided link. You may remember it, as it is also the same kind of post, consideration, and question that you have DonkeyGalloped away from; DonkeyGenius. Now, you gallop off and start thinking about how to drown us out with your next release of unsupported claims OK? While your at it, perhaps you can dream up (and convince PacQueens) that there is another Pinoy PED addicted catchweight monster that's going to beat Floyd; because the last one you told was going to KO him failed and did to the NSAC what your doing to these forums. Finally, hey is this a picture of you?

Ronnie said it was. You couldn't have set yourself up for a right hand lead and exposed yourself as DonkeyClown any better (than with your above post) than if I had asked you to; thanks. Oh, don't forget this either . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20968-Shoulder-Statement-From-Pacquiao-and-Top-Rank&p=81666&viewfull=1#post81666


-Radam G :

Thread. Over.
Money May does his optical illusions to be the talk. What do you expect? He is smart with it. Houdini fed fans, fanboys, groupies and the brain slow the same thing -- slicker-than slick optical illusions. The above ate it up. A large percent of humans -- often called the drop shots -- don't give darn about being fooled. They just want the myths to get them comfortable and satisfied. The truth is of no account to them. It's all about science. More ready-to-be fools are born than don't-even-try-that-on-the educated. And boxing is about fooling the bottoms, not the tops. The Thread was written for the always -thinking-and-investigating minds. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Where is our residential troll. I don't see him too eager to tell the boksing journalist of this piece to substantiate. Hehe! Bytch-arse dimwitted troll. Holla!
Hey Donkey Clown, We have actually been waiting for you to both; A) Put your DonkeyHoof in your DonkeyMouth and lead with it again. B) Get your DonkeyNose from out under your tail. And, judging from how you walked right into this one with your above and most recent infinitely clueless post; we didn't have to wait long. So, thanks for that. Seriously though, we have actually been waiting for you to come good on your offer to explain here...
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82192&viewfull=1#post82192 But you have been nowhere to be found. Remember that? That was the ""20 other middleweight champions who were all smaller than Money May, came from lightweight/welterweight, and won titles at middleweight"" when you were lying to save yet another probably equally concerning and deserted (when asked to explain) claim of yours. Clever Donkey aren't you ?!!!!

Here he is - you know you deserve him. Moving on . . . The (as we held our breath on your above-mentioned promise to explain your reliable PacQueen self) we had a laugh at how you can't follow through on even your own claims to explain; that themselves DonkeyOriginated from yet another wild DonkeyPost that you were slaughtered on; here . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82198&viewfull=1#post82198 Then, as we waited for Ronnie to rub your hindquarters and (no doubt) use that award for journalistic excellence you were given last week for emitting your last episodic series of unsubstantiated rubbish and credibility losing diatribe; we went over here and laughed at WitchDoctorDonkey some more .. .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21096-The-Future-Mystery-of-Mr-Mayweather&p=82177&viewfull=1#post82177 Then we went over here and highlighted your DonkeyHypocrisy here (all as we waited for you to explain, just one of your DonkeyMagic claims) . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82275&viewfull=1#post82275 But but then, you were still not only galloping wildly away from yourself and your claims - but busy releasing others of similar quality, so we decided to go here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21165-Time-for-GGG-to-call-out-Lil-Floyd&p=82277&viewfull=1#post82277 So, really, your TruthTroll has been where he always is; waiting for you to show that there is area of discussion that we can consider you reliable and consistent on. But sadly, it is ReliableDonkey that has not showed; only DonkeyClown. Anyway, thanks for your hilariously idiotic and predictable above post, and for also giving us the opportunity to remind readers of just how much of a DonkeyWonderlandDreamingInhabitant you really are. Without your oversights and inability to think before posting, none of this would be possible. For your information, it is obvious that the author to the piece that you refer is using the same logic as shadow and I point out in the above provided link. You may remember it, as it is also the same kind of post, consideration, and question that you have DonkeyGalloped away from; DonkeyGenius. Now, you gallop off and start thinking about how to drown us out with your next release of unsupported claims OK? While your at it, perhaps you can dream up (and convince PacQueens) that there is another Pinoy PED addicted catchweight monster that's going to beat Floyd; because the last one you told was going to KO him failed and did to the NSAC what your doing to these forums. Finally, hey is this a picture of you?

Ronnie said it was. You couldn't have set yourself up for a right hand lead and exposed yourself as DonkeyClown any better (than with your above post) than if I had asked you to; thanks. Oh, don't forget this either . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20968-Shoulder-Statement-From-Pacquiao-and-Top-Rank&p=81666&viewfull=1#post81666


-brownsugar :

Hilarious stuff Storm. One thing is certain, Pac has no chance of winning the fight in the forums. At least he's taken the dignified route of accepting his loss peacefully and quietly. I'd watch a 40 year old Floyd do it again when that darned shoulder excuse, I mean injury gets healed.


-amayseng :

Hilarious stuff Storm. One thing is certain, Pac has no chance of winning the fight in the forums. At least he's taken the dignified route of accepting his loss peacefully and quietly. I'd watch a 40 year old Floyd do it again when that darned shoulder excuse, I mean injury gets healed.
Didn't Floyd have a shoulder excuse after being beat in the first JLC fight? now he is hypocritical of anyone else with one.


-brownsugar :

Didn't Floyd have a shoulder excuse after being beat in the first JLC fight? now he is hypocritical of anyone else with one.
I thought Floyd won that fight. Although a draw would have been fair. He gave the guy an immediate rematch to settle the score. And Bob Arum was very vocal about the injury.....although he thought the score was too close to call definitively. Its never hypocritical for the winner to speak on an injury. But when you say you won a fight, the whole world knows you lost. Then he switched to a rambling stuttering excuse about an injury when reporters asked him how he could have possibly thought he won at the post fight press con. It looks really bad. That's what I call hypocracy. Floyd has a right to feel that way. Any fighter would. Arum recently said he had knowledge of Pac's shoulder injury and that Pac was sparring beautifully two weeks prior to the fight and was ready to go. Pac is currently facing 35 lawsuits. He is doing well by keeping his mouth shut.


-deepwater2 :

Arum stuck up for Floyd because he was his promoter and was doing his job in protecting his fighter. Arum did a great job with Floyd. PAC looked great in sparring before the fight because he was getting all his remedies and therapy medicine. The problem was he didn't get the medicine for the fight. Shady work from the NSAC.


-Radam G :

I thought Floyd won that fight. Although a draw would have been fair. He gave the guy an immediate rematch to settle the score. And Bob Arum was very vocal about the injury.....although he thought the score was too close to call definitively. Its never hypocritical for the winner to speak on an injury. But when you say you won a fight, the whole world knows you lost. Then he switched to a rambling stuttering excuse about an injury when reporters asked him how he could have possibly thought he won at the post fight press con. It looks really bad. That's what I call hypocracy. Floyd has a right to feel that way. Any fighter would. Arum recently said he had knowledge of Pac's shoulder injury and that Pac was sparring beautifully two weeks prior to the fight and was ready to go. Pac is currently facing 35 lawsuits. He is doing well by keeping his mouth shut.
You, my friend, are a master at twisting and bullsyeting with make believe. Da Manny was not sparring beautifully two weeks prior to the fight. He was going through light motions after taking the meds. Just because you make stuff up, it doesn't change history. I wonder why the troubled troll is not telling you to substantiate your claims. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Didn't Floyd have a shoulder excuse after being beat in the first JLC fight? now he is hypocritical of anyone else with one.
I had thought his issue was Floyd's hands for that fight, but you may be right; shoulder. Let's just say you are. Did Floyd fraudulently populate the NSAC form in relation to it? Did Floyd not win and then claim he did, due to it? Did Floyd sit on the "injury" and keep it a secret to the extent it altered bookmakers business/es? Did Floyd announce the injury on the 11th hour looking for an injection that had many other masking and other aspects associated with it? And the list (of overlooked considerations) goes on again as the PacLossExcuseHysteria rides another of its own waves. Finally, I don't know that Floyd is hypocritical of anyone else with a shoulder injury; just those that exhibit the above PacLossExcuse characteristics. Why is is that PacQueens consistently overlook inconvenient considerations and, at the same time, also hypocritically claim others are being hypocritical; as they are. Hypocritical and NunSubstantiate squared. Or HypoNunCriticalSubstantiate cubed. Love it !!! No wonder these PacQueens love to ignore PacPEDhistory, facts, and both exaggerate and be oblivious to whether when Pac is going forward, backward or "PacFraudNSACWard". As you yourself said in another post Amayseng; people need to accept it.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21205-20-STRAIGHT-Golovkin-Gets-Another-KO-Monroe-Is-the-Victim&p=82153&viewfull=1#post82153 Pac lost and was busted "PacJuiceNSACFrauding" and deceiving the public. He had nothing for Floyd. And, contrary to your above post; Floyd is not hypocritical of anyone else with a shoulder injury - only those, like PacJuiceInjectionLossExcuse that fraudulently conceal, play, and reveal their so called shoulder injury. People need to accept it. Why is it so hard for PacQueens to stick with facts and accept the loss?
PS: you must be so proud of your PacQueen Donkey leader right now, and how reliable he is. The PacLossExcuseMovement is looking good eh? Good stuff. With this post you have contributed beautifully to the all important hypocritical, exaggerate, and "no checking" aspect of the movement; that is clearly its mainstay. :) :) :)


-The Shadow :

I thought Floyd won that fight. Although a draw would have been fair. He gave the guy an immediate rematch to settle the score. And Bob Arum was very vocal about the injury.....although he thought the score was too close to call definitively. Its never hypocritical for the winner to speak on an injury. But when you say you won a fight, the whole world knows you lost. Then he switched to a rambling stuttering excuse about an injury when reporters asked him how he could have possibly thought he won at the post fight press con. It looks really bad. That's what I call hypocracy. Floyd has a right to feel that way. Any fighter would. Arum recently said he had knowledge of Pac's shoulder injury and that Pac was sparring beautifully two weeks prior to the fight and was ready to go. Pac is currently facing 35 lawsuits. He is doing well by keeping his mouth shut.
... Yet he keeps going, running his mouth. I don't get it. He now claims Floyd didn't play fair in the ring, that he "fought in an uneven playing field where my opponent was in control of everything, inside and outside the ring."
->http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/5/18/8620511/manny-pacquiao-i-just-want-to-tell-the-truth As the A-side of pretty much all of his fights in recent memory, he's always controlled everything -- and not exactly cared to put his opponents in favorable positions himself -- so that's a pretty surprising, if not hypocritical statement in and of itself. As for Arum, less than 24 hours ago, USA Today ran an article quoting Arum as saying that he's had the injury since 2008, the beginning of his epic run. Then just today and late yesterday, Arum reveals that Pacquiao was in fact "100% recovered" by fight night. "The last week, as predicted by the doctor,
the shoulder was fine. Many was sparring the last two weeks, [U]sparring well.[/U] It wasn't until the
end of the fourth round that Manny's shoulder was re-injured, but going into the fight Manny was 100%," Arum told BoxingScene.com. The inconsistency is confusing at best, incriminating at worst. Now assuming he indeed was 100%, why was it brought up as a reason for defeat? Besides, even for argument's sake, if Floyd Mayweather knew he had an injury, it is common to go after your opponent's weakness inside that squared ring. Like attacking a cut eye. Or Carlos Hernandez constantly punching Mayweather's hands in close when they were clearly damaged. (Also, everyone knows Tim Bradley injured himself in the 2nd round vs. Pacquiao yet gave him full credit for the win. Everyone could see Sergio Martinez was a crippled man going into the fight with Cotto, that it was his legs giving out on him causing the knockdowns as much as any punch. Yet he not only didn't offer it as an excuse, he totally disregarded the possibility of the knee even having an effect even though he effectively wore a dress to conceal whatever he was wearing while limping around the ring.) More importantly, if he was indeed 100% coming into the fight, why ask for Toradol,[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000103175/printable/football-players-turn-to-peds-to-get-physical-mental-edge"> something used as a performance enhancer by world class athletes in contact sports[/URL]? “It's basically a super strong pain killer that makes your body numb," [URL="http://boxingtribune-news.com/posts/2358013/the-mystery-surrounding-manny-pacquiao---s-injection.html">former NFL quarterback Chris Simms said of the drug[/URL]. "You could go run through the wall and you wouldn't really know it until two or three days later.” Said linebacker Scott Fujita, a 10-year NFL veteran, whose job description depended on contact and, basically, carnage, "People spend so much time talking about HGH, steroids, and [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/pain-and-pain-management-in-nfl-spawn-a-culture-of-prescription-drug-use-and-abuse/2013/04/13/3b36f4de-a1e9-11e2-bd52-614156372695_story.html">I think these are the real performance enhancers."[/URL] Another NFL guy said, "Once you get on the T-train" -- Toradol -- "you won't get off." So again, if he wasn't injured, why ask for Toradal, as opposed to lydocaine or cortisone? Better yet, why ask for anything at all? The whole thing just looks more and more mind boggling and, quite frankly, suspicious, with each passing day. Again, before being accused of bias and nuthugging and groupie behavior or God knows what, I am simply stating the facts and relaying the message from Pacquiao's team himself. Am I really the only who doesn't find this inconsistency alarming? Wonderful post, Brownsugar, as always.


-Radam G :

Wow! Like magic, he appears. Does that dude have a life? This place appears to have him clued to creating mischief and chaos. The great leader of ISIS pugilism in cyberspace he is. Hehehe! He is not getting a lot of recruits for his nitwitted cause. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Didn't Floyd have a shoulder excuse after being beat in the first JLC fight? now he is hypocritical of anyone else with one.
I had thought his issue was Floyd's hands for that fight, but you may be right; shoulder. Let's just say you are. Did Floyd fraudulently populate the NSAC form in relation to it? Did Floyd not win and then claim he did, due to it? Did Floyd sit on the "injury" and keep it a secret to the extent it altered bookmakers business/es? Did Floyd announce the injury on the 11th hour looking for an injection that had many other masking and other aspects associated with it? And the list (of overlooked considerations) goes on again as the PacLossExcuseHysteria rides another of its own waves. Finally, I don't know that Floyd is hypocritical of anyone else with a shoulder injury; just those that exhibit the above PacLossExcuse characteristics. If you can prove me wrong on that, and therefore also show how this aspect of your claim is right (doubtful), I welcome reading your proof; even though I know you PacQueen have absolutely none and saw that as no obstacle to DonkeyPosting. Perhaps (particularly since you can't show how this aspect of your claim is right) you too could well benefit from the golden DonkeyWonderland posting rule . . .
"If you feel nervous about explaining yourself and a hypocritical post you're about to dump, it's probably a porky pie and best not to lie and leave us with that smelly DonkeyLump". :) Why is it that PacQueens consistently overlook inconvenient considerations, facts, and at the same time, also hypocritically claim others are being hypocritical; all as they themselves are being being NunSubstantiated and hypocritical in an attempt to sully Floyd's reputation and seemingly distract from the PacLossExcuse? I wonder if its got anything to do with PacJuice being a NSAC fraud and losing? Damn, that's a Hypocritical and NunSubstantiate squared. Or HypoNunAmaysengCriticalSubstantiate cubed. Love it !!! No wonder these PacQueens love to ignore PacPEDhistory, facts, and both exaggerate and are oblivious as to whether when Pac is going forward, backward or even "PacFraudNSACWard". As you yourself said in another post Amayseng; people need to accept it.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21205-20-STRAIGHT-Golovkin-Gets-Another-KO-Monroe-Is-the-Victim&p=82153&viewfull=1#post82153 Pac lost and was busted "PacJuiceNSACFrauding" and deceiving the public. He had nothing for Floyd. And, contrary to your above post; Floyd is not hypocritical of anyone else with a shoulder injury - only those, like PacJuiceInjectionLossExcuse that fraudulently conceal, play, and reveal their so called shoulder injury. People need to accept it. Why is it so hard for PacQueens to stick with facts and accept the loss?
PS: you must be so proud of your PacQueen Donkey leader right now, and how reliable he is. The PacLossExcuseMovement is looking good eh? Good stuff. With this post you have contributed beautifully to the all important hypocritical, exaggerate, and "no checking" aspect of the movement; that is clearly its mainstay. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Wow! Like magic, he appears. Does that dude have a life? This place appears to have him clued to creating mischief and chaos. The great leader of ISIS pugilism in cyberspace he is. Hehehe! He is not getting a lot of recruits for his nitwitted cause. Holla!
The Truth Troll is everywhere your PacLossExcuse lies are. You should Donkey know that. Please don't tell us you are that DonkeyVacant that (even though you first used the term "Troll" to represent someone noticing your lies) you have not seen the correlation between your wild claims and lies, and the "Truth Troll's" appearances? It's synonymously the same as a DonkeyGallop away from a claim he made and said he could explain? Try telling the truth; it's easier and you will not only PacLossExcuse wine and cry less - but also see the "Truth-Troll" less. That's if you can refrain from porky pies. Which - from looking at your last week's delivery of one inaccurate and misleading claim after another that quickly grew into Double Donkey Delusion digits as fast as Donkey himself galloped from his own offers to explain them - seems like an impossibility for you. Anyway, it sounds like you have me all figured out though Madam. As you like to make wild (""I can name 20 other MW champions" . . . . ") claims, disrupt, and then, well . . . continue to make more exaggerated, hypocritical, and untruthful claims". Whereas, I, like to highlight how you can't handle a fraction of your own PacPredictionLossExcuse medicine (even if it is much less unreliable than what you serve), and also how your claims are, for the most part, wild, exaggerated, hypocritical, and untruthful; just to see just how difficult it is for you to let go of fantasy and regularly tell the truth. This is where the "Truth Troll" came from; you should know you both created and consistently prove that you deserve him. Sadly, though (for you) I can't see the "Truth Troll" disappearing too soon. But in that sense you are the author of your own DonkeyMisfortune. As, so far you seem as attached to not thinking and posting (despite how often it doesn't serve you well) - as you clearly are to circumventing facts that get in the way of a good "story" and also leaving that decimated trail of commonly smelly and unfulfilled offers to explain, in your own DonkeyDelusionWake. DonkeyClown. But, in all fairness I probably owe you an explanation as to how I knew you had returned to release more of the same and cheer PacQueens on; after your incredible serious of DonkeyBlunders and unparalleled DonkeyIdiocy that you were caught at earlier today. What had really happened was that (as I was relaxing home) one of the many that email me and say stuff like, ""wow we have waited a long time for this Donkey crap talker to get what is coming to him, thanks Storm"" emailed me again and said you were back in DonkeyWonderland and at it again; "please help as the joint is starting to get stunk out and Donkey is walking around almost as if he believes his own DonkeyClaims. Hee-Haw. So, that's how I knew Donkey had escaped from his paddock. Hey, by the way you didn't answer my earlier concerns about PacJuice; is there any news about Pac being back on the PEDs (now that he's not being tested) and feeling better? Finally, (if you can't explain how watermelon seeds make you punch harder/faster, and how the blood cinnamon circulates at snoop doggy dog 30,000 a second) can you please let me know how the moonlight makes hair follicles grow back in your cosmetologist cousin's movie star salon? I only ask as Ronnie (remember; burning man, bicycle, you around the back of Donkey on a 5 gallon drum, Rome burning, you fleeing?) says Donkey is starting to suffer, around the hind quarters, from where the rim of your 5 gallon drum rubs up against him as you do the you know what. :) It's not fair on Donkey, and he has right too you know !!! Apparently it's really serious (from all your activity) and rubbing some of his Donkey hair off? FYI - just so we're straight - I told Ronnie not to panic (after all Rome is not burning is it?), that you were usually amorously active in the Donkey community, and that Donkey could probably try howling at the moon in such a way where the moonlight shone down and in on the follicles and the area in general to rejuvenates them/it. Is that right? It does work to get hair back doesn't it? After all that "is" what you said? And you wouldn't "lie" and at the same time pretend that the "Truth-Troll" was unnecessarily bothering you, would you? Please write back ASAP and explain the . . "moonlight shine on my hair follicle and make my hair grow back in my cosmetologist cousin's secret movie star salon", phenomena so I can, in turn, calm Ronnie down; as, despite how much it pains me to say it, I think he's getting jealous of Donkey. Love it !!!! "If you feel nervous about explaining yourself and a post you're about to dump, it's probably a porky pie and best not to lie and leave us with that smelly DonkeyLump".
Your Bytch-Arsed Truth Troll (and Witch Doctor Hunter), StormCentre. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Arum stuck up for Floyd because he was his promoter and was doing his job in protecting his fighter. Arum did a great job with Floyd. PAC looked great in sparring before the fight because he was getting all his remedies and therapy medicine. The problem was he didn't get the medicine for the fight. Shady work from the NSAC.
How can it be shady work by the NSAC and not PacJuice when PacJuiceFraud himself fraudulently populated the NSAC forms and signed them? Forget how he kept the "injury" a secret for now and announced it at the last moment.


-Brad :

The Truth Troll is everywhere your PacLossExcuse lies are. You should Donkey know that. Please don't tell us you are that DonkeyVacant that (even though you first used the term "Troll" to represent someone noticing your lies) you have not seen the correlation between your wild claims and lies, and the "Truth Troll's" appearances? It's synonymously the same as a DonkeyGallop away from a claim he made and said he could explain? Try telling the truth; it's easier and you will not only PacLossExcuse wine and cry less - but also see the "Truth-Troll" less. That's if you can refrain from porky pies. Which - from looking at your last week's delivery of one inaccurate and misleading claim after another that quickly grew into Double Donkey Delusion digits as fast as Donkey himself galloped from his own offers to explain them - seems like an impossibility for you. Anyway, it sounds like you have me all figured out though Madam. As you like to make wild (""I can name 20 other MW champions" . . . . ") claims, disrupt, and then, well . . . continue to make more exaggerated, hypocritical, and untruthful claims". Whereas, I, like to highlight how you can't handle a fraction of your own PacPredictionLossExcuse medicine (even if it is much less unreliable than what you serve), and also how your claims are, for the most part, wild, exaggerated, hypocritical, and untruthful; just to see just how difficult it is for you to let go of fantasy and regularly tell the truth. This is where the "Truth Troll" came from; you should know you both created and consistently prove that you deserve him. Sadly, though (for you) I can't see the "Truth Troll" disappearing too soon. But in that sense you are the author of your own DonkeyMisfortune. As, so far you seem as attached to not thinking and posting (despite how often it doesn't serve you well) - as you clearly are to circumventing facts that get in the way of a good "story" and also leaving that decimated trail of commonly smelly and unfulfilled offers to explain, in your own DonkeyDelusionWake. DonkeyClown. But, in all fairness I probably owe you an explanation as to how I knew you had returned to release more of the same and cheer PacQueens on; after your incredible serious of DonkeyBlunders and unparalleled DonkeyIdiocy that you were caught at earlier today. What had really happened was that (as I was relaxing home) one of the many that email me and say stuff like, ""wow we have waited a long time for this Donkey crap talker to get what is coming to him, thanks Storm"" emailed me again and said you were back in DonkeyWonderland and at it again; "please help as the joint is starting to get stunk out and Donkey is walking around almost as if he believes his own DonkeyClaims. Hee-Haw. So, that's how I knew Donkey had escaped from his paddock. Hey, by the way you didn't answer my earlier concerns about PacJuice; is there any news about Pac being back on the PEDs (now that he's not being tested) and feeling better? Finally, (if you can't explain how watermelon seeds make you punch harder/faster, and how the blood cinnamon circulates at snoop doggy dog 30,000 a second) can you please let me know how the moonlight makes hair follicles grow back in your cosmetologist cousin's movie star salon? I only ask as Ronnie (remember; burning man, bicycle, you around the back of Donkey on a 5 gallon drum, Rome burning, you fleeing?) says Donkey is starting to suffer, around the hind quarters, from where the rim of your 5 gallon drum rubs up against him as you do the you know what. :) It's not fair on Donkey, and he has right too you know !!! Apparently it's really serious (from all your activity) and rubbing some of his Donkey hair off? FYI - just so we're straight - I told Ronnie not to panic (after all Rome is not burning is it?), that you were usually amorously active in the Donkey community, and that Donkey could probably try howling at the moon in such a way where the moonlight shone down and in on the follicles and the area in general to rejuvenates them/it. Is that right? It does work to get hair back doesn't it? After all that "is" what you said? And you wouldn't "lie" and at the same time pretend that the "Truth-Troll" was unnecessarily bothering you, would you? Please write back ASAP and explain the . . "moonlight shine on my hair follicle and make my hair grow back in my cosmetologist cousin's secret movie star salon", phenomena so I can, in turn, calm Ronnie down; as, despite how much it pains me to say it, I think he's getting jealous of Donkey. Love it !!!! "If you feel nervous about explaining yourself and a post you're about to dump, it's probably a porky pie and best not to lie and leave us with that smelly DonkeyLump".
Your Bytch-Arsed Truth Troll (and Witch Doctor Hunter), StormCentre. :) :) :)
I think boxing would be better if Mayweather and Pacquiao both went away. For good. Both of them. I also think this forum would be better if StormCentre and Radam G both went away. Your empty, overworked jabs at each other dominate too many threads here. Just the thought of a casual reader.


-Radam G :

I think boxing would be better if Mayweather and Pacquiao both went away. For good. Both of them. I also think this forum would be better if StormCentre and Radam G both went away. Your empty, overworked jabs at each other dominate too many threads here. Just the thought of a casual reader.
The troll Stormcentre cannot get off my 6 because he has a disorder.and a severe illness. From this point on, I will not mention him in any way. Like him perish in his illness. What a pathetic fakers. He could win his way to nothing. Holla!


-Kid Blast :

Great research Steve. Always enjoy your stuff.


-Kid Blast :

Thanks Steve, Nice to see your name here mate


-stormcentre :

I think boxing would be better if Mayweather and Pacquiao both went away. For good. Both of them. I also think this forum would be better if StormCentre and Radam G both went away. Your empty, overworked jabs at each other dominate too many threads here. Just the thought of a casual reader.
C'mon man, give me a break, I have walked Madam into crosses, hooks, jabs and all number of shots that he has led with his mouth for. Where you been? You got those Cherry Juice sunglasses on? I'm just having fun. Donkey can always tell the truth and then the evil wicked disordered and bipolar "Truth Troll" goes away; easy - so lets not be symptomatic. Anyway, I appreciate your opinion though. Whenever the fan mail gets to be even 50% either way, I will consider the merits. However, right now (save for you, some PacQueens, and Eric) it's about 95% gratitude for finally figuring away to highlight how Donkey can't tell the truth. Check Madam's "I'm real and keeping it that way" archives that he has backing him up 100%, then you will see what we mean. Anyway, in the meantime here's a little tune for you to relax on. It's not the same relaxation blast as Madam's watermelon seeds that make your cinnamon circulation move at 30,000 times per second; but it's the best fact, truth, and "stantiation" can do. Enjoy.
Oh here's a
Free PacQueenLossExcuseMovementInsight for you Brad, Steve, whatever your name is. :) [QUOTE=AmaysengPlaytheng;69323]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?18257-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-you-should-be-embarrassed!!&p=69323&viewfull=1#post69323 First Take today on ESPN 2 today talking about Floyd ducking Pac (
Wrong). Skip Bayless states he thinks Floyd does not believe he can beat Pac and will never take the fight (
Wrong). Stephen A Smith admits that Floyd Sr states that he doesn't think his own son knows that he would beat Pac (
Wrong). Big day today for boxing as we need to get the sport back to being mainstream, however Floyd is holding up the sport in more ways than one. (
Wrong) [/QUOTE]


-stormcentre :

The troll Stormcentre cannot get off my 6 because he has a disorder.and a severe illness. From this point on,
I will not mention him in any way. Like him perish in his illness. What a pathetic fakers. He could win his way to nothing. Holla!
Do you mean that like how you (and AmaysengPlaytheng) previously not only said I was blocked - but then lied about it as you prompted other to do the same; whilst still reading all my posts? :) :) Ha ha love it !!! As shown by the quality of your claims and how Donkey gallops; you could not tell the truth to save PacQueen (or yourself) from a royal commission into rampant equivocation/PED and PacFraudulentNSACform use. I (and many others here) actually don't even think you can go a week without telling some kind of porky pie, and even though I want to say that's because you're unhappy with yourself and would like to be seen as the (unquestioned) witch doctor (again) and also successful boxer; I won't. Keep up the great work. :) :)


-stormcentre :

When it comes to Mayweather, nobody moves the needle like he does, two weeks removed from his last fight he's still the talk of the boxing worth, articles still dominate boxing websites and blogs (including this one) even tho we've had to two weeks of big time fights since then... People spend sooooooo much time dissecting what he does or doesn't do when in reality it's hard to argue with his in the ring accomplishments... People always talk about his apparent Cherry picking as if he went thru the amateurs and the Olympics, and the first 12 years of his career picking his own opponents,
Floyd didn't start calling the shots for his fights until after the Oscar fight, when he was already 40-0, but somehow people forget that... And then people "discredit" him because he doesn't go thru wars when the guys that the public said have him problems he vanquished easily in immediate rematches, then it was he has trouble with southpaws, he clinches too much, he uses too much movement, he doesn't go for KO's and a list of other reasons why people choose not to like him, but at the end of the day he's been a World Champion for almost 2 decades, and not a paper champion he didn't win vacant titles he beat fighters for their belts, I will not say he's the "best ever" but I've never seen anyone stay on top of the sport as long as he has, even with his skills eroding with age she still looks a class above everyone he faces.....
Very good and accurate post SPF. Even Floyd's accomplishments prior to Oscar - in my opinion - allow him to do as he pleases. In this day and age, when we have a guy as rarely skilled and as uniquely accomplished as Floyd, and, still - as a boxing (largely misled and easily marketed to) collective - the best we seem to be able to do is (not appreciate, but) constantly pull him down as he closes out his career at 38; whilst we adore another fighter with a clear PED and catch-weight history. Something is wrong there. I reckon most of Floyd's strong critics have never even successfully fought at a professional state level. Could be wrong; it's just a hunch. Just the; Castillo, Gatti, Ndou, Manfredy, Chavez, Corrales, Augustus, Juuko, Nunez, Gerena, Hernandez, and possibly a few others; were absolute masterpieces of technical destruction and/or boxing that I am yet to see anyone (except possibly Naseem Hamed; in his own {perhaps more reckless} way) in the modern ear come close to emulating. It's also interesting how Floyd (as Money May) basically owned and stood right in front of guys like Canelo, Mosely, Hatton and Oscar, made them miss, hit them, and also fought the way some people claim Floyd can't/doesn't; to the extent that many of these opponents and fans have manufactured the "Floyd always runs" excuse; because - I think - not only is the truth too much for them to bear - but also they know most PacQueens will; agree, not check, and simply nod to such a notion. Also, yet to have anyone take me up on my offer to produce video of any yesteryear fighter displaying more technical skills than Floyd.


-stormcentre :

When it comes to Mayweather, nobody moves the needle like he does, two weeks removed from his last fight he's still the talk of the boxing worth, articles still dominate boxing websites and blogs (including this one) even tho we've had to two weeks of big time fights since then... People spend sooooooo much time dissecting what he does or doesn't do when in reality it's hard to argue with his in the ring accomplishments... People always talk about his apparent Cherry picking as if he went thru the amateurs and the Olympics, and the first 12 years of his career picking his own opponents,
Floyd didn't start calling the shots for his fights until after the Oscar fight, when he was already 40-0, but somehow people forget that... And then people "discredit" him because he doesn't go thru wars when the guys that the public said have him problems he vanquished easily in immediate rematches, then it was he has trouble with southpaws, he clinches too much, he uses too much movement, he doesn't go for KO's and a list of other reasons why people choose not to like him, but at the end of the day he's been a World Champion for almost 2 decades, and not a paper champion he didn't win vacant titles he beat fighters for their belts, I will not say he's the "best ever" but I've never seen anyone stay on top of the sport as long as he has, even with his skills eroding with age she still looks a class above everyone he faces.....
Very good and accurate post SPF. Even Floyd's accomplishments prior to Oscar - in my opinion - allow him to do as he pleases. In this day and age, when we have a guy as rarely skilled and as uniquely accomplished as Floyd, and, still - as a boxing (largely misled and easily marketed to) collective - the best we seem to be able to do is (not appreciate, but) constantly pull him down as he closes out his career at 38; whilst we adore another fighter with a clear PED and catch-weight history. Something is wrong there. I reckon most of Floyd's strong critics have never even successfully fought at a professional state level. Could be wrong; it's just a hunch. Just the; Castillo, Gatti, Ndou, Manfredy, Chavez, Corrales, Augustus, Juuko, Nunez, Gerena, Hernandez, and possibly a few other Floyd fights; were absolute masterpieces of technical destruction and/or boxing that I am yet to see anyone (except possibly Naseem Hamed; in his own {perhaps more reckless} way) in the modern ear come close to emulating. It's also interesting how Floyd (as Money May) basically owned and stood right in front of guys like Canelo, Mosely, Hatton and Oscar, made them miss, hit them, and also fought the way some people claim Floyd can't/doesn't; to the extent that many of these opponents and fans have manufactured the "Floyd always runs" excuse; because - I think - not only is the truth too much for them to bear - but also they know most PacQueens will; agree, not check, and simply nod to such a notion. Also, yet to have anyone take me up on my offer to produce video of any yesteryear fighter displaying more technical skills than Floyd.


-deepwater2 :

Very good and accurate post SPF. Even Floyd's accomplishments prior to Oscar - in my opinion - allow him to do as he pleases. In this day and age, when we have a guy as rarely skilled and as uniquely accomplished as Floyd, and, still - as a boxing (largely misled and easily marketed to) collective - the best we seem to be able to do is (not appreciate, but) constantly pull him down as he closes out his career at 38; whilst we adore another fighter with a clear PED and catch-weight history. Something is wrong there. I reckon most of Floyd's strong critics have never even successfully fought at a professional state level. Could be wrong; it's just a hunch. Just the; Castillo, Gatti, Ndou, Manfredy, Chavez, Corrales, Augustus, Juuko, Nunez, Gerena, Hernandez, and possibly a few other Floyd fights; were absolute masterpieces of technical destruction and/or boxing that I am yet to see anyone (except possibly Naseem Hamed; in his own {perhaps more reckless} way) in the modern ear come close to emulating. It's also interesting how Floyd (as Money May) basically owned and stood right in front of guys like Canelo, Mosely, Hatton and Oscar, made them miss, hit them, and also fought the way some people claim Floyd can't/doesn't; to the extent that many of these opponents and fans have manufactured the "Floyd always runs" excuse; because - I think - not only is the truth too much for them to bear - but also they know most PacQueens will; agree, not check, and simply nod to such a notion. Also, yet to have anyone take me up on my offer to produce video of any yesteryear fighter displaying more technical skills than Floyd.

->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHEAx-Y5lig&sns=em


-deepwater2 :

Sometimes ,something can overcome skills.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNL61DPBQy0&sns=em


-Radam G :

Sometimes ,something can overcome skills.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNL61DPBQy0&sns=em
Nice stuff! And excellent retort. Undefeated Rocky Marciano also proved that it is more than about skills. It is also about the thrill and da kill. And giving fans their fill. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Sometimes ,something can overcome skills.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNL61DPBQy0&sns=em
Yep both Valero and Whitaker were very good. However I was asking for someone to show me more skills than Mayweather. Now, even though the prospect of such happening did this to Donkey
->http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erect_donkey_penis#/media/File:Donkey_penis.jpg The fact of the matter is that (if you check me post) I was not asking for a different and more animated style of defence. Or whether "sometimes can overcome skills". Whitaker is a great boxer and champion but he was not as skilled as Floyd Maythweather. Yes he had a brilliant defence, but he had some other (when measuring him against marquee level and technically great fighters; as shown in the even the video you presented) issues too though. Happy to elaborate why if you can't see it. Perhaps we could ask the witch doctor to summon up a pretend fighter from the Donkey spirit world so I can be wrong. He sure has, over the last 6 months (years?) manifested a lot of other things from there. Finally, Madam, do not take the above picture home and both fantasise and share an interpersonal experience with it; cause DonkeyClown will get jealous, Ronnie will then be (more) confused about what to write, and then Rome will (again) burn. :) :) :)


-Kid Blast :

Another thread h-jacked by the Troll (singular)


-deepwater2 :

Yep both Valero and Whitaker were very good. However I was asking for someone to show me more skills than Mayweather. Now, even though the prospect of such happening did this to Donkey
->http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erect_donkey_penis#/media/File:Donkey_penis.jpg The fact of the matter is that (if you check me post) I was not asking for a different and more animated style of defence. Or whether "sometimes can overcome skills". Whitaker is a great boxer and champion but he was not as skilled as Floyd Maythweather. Yes he had a brilliant defence, but he had some other (when measuring him against marquee level and technically great fighters; as shown in the even the video you presented) issues too though. Happy to elaborate why if you can't see it. Perhaps we could ask the witch doctor to summon up a pretend fighter from the Donkey spirit world so I can be wrong. He sure has, over the last 6 months (years?) manifested a lot of other things from there. Finally, Madam, do not take the above picture home and both fantasise and share an interpersonal experience with it; cause DonkeyClown will get jealous, Ronnie will then be (more) confused about what to write, and then Rome will (again) burn. :) :) :)
I would say Sweet Pea's whole package was more exciting to watch then Floyd's.Defense and Offense.Watching him dipsy-do 6 punches with his hands down at his side and dance away with a smirk only to come back to the pocket with brutal power punches. As far as skills we can break it down to speed=pernell,power=pernell,ring generalship=pernell by a landslide, defense=toss up. Floyd's prevent defense might be more effective than Pernell's spectacular defense but which would you rather watch. Sweet Pea had the whole package and the charisma factor in the ring. Floyd is anti- climatic. Put a Floyd's highlight video next to Pernell's highlight video and which would you rather watch?


-The Shadow :

Yep both Valero and Whitaker were very good. However I was asking for someone to show me more skills than Mayweather. Now, even though the prospect of such happening did this to Donkey
->http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Erect_donkey_penis#/media/File:Donkey_penis.jpg The fact of the matter is that (if you check me post) I was not asking for a different and more animated style of defence. Or whether "sometimes can overcome skills". Whitaker is a great boxer and champion but he was not as skilled as Floyd Maythweather. Yes he had a brilliant defence, but he had some other (when measuring him against marquee level and technically great fighters; as shown in the even the video you presented) issues too though. Happy to elaborate why if you can't see it. Perhaps we could ask the witch doctor to summon up a pretend fighter from the Donkey spirit world so I can be wrong. He sure has, over the last 6 months (years?) manifested a lot of other things from there. Finally, Madam, do not take the above picture home and both fantasise and share an interpersonal experience with it; cause DonkeyClown will get jealous, Ronnie will then be (more) confused about what to write, and then Rome will (again) burn. :) :) :)
I agree, Pernell was marvelously skilled and very elusive but I don't think he had the same game as Mayweather either, though he did beat Roger Mayweather, which was a very big win in retrospect, considering Whitaker wasn't fully developed as a pro yet. It's hard to find someone more skilled than Mayweather, namely because he's a complete fighter and he's got supreme boxing IQ to boot. As David Haye says, if you take down a host of categories and rate them from 1-10, it's hard to think of any where he's not at least a 9. If you add up all the points in those categories, I can't think of anyone who would have more, just being honest. Though I think Guillermo Rigondeaux has smoother movement, an Andre Dirrell pound-for-pound may be faster, there are obviously guys who punch harder, but all points added up I don't see anyone having, or displaying, more skill. One thing I did pick up on in his last fight -- and this is a minute criticism -- is that he's one of the few who can fight out of rhythm, which he's said. Rigondeaux does the same. It's hard to get shots off out of rhythm, especially more than one. And I noticed that when he's "out of rhythm," he's completely defensive and will only pot shot or counter. But when he gets ready to attack, you can see him find his rhythm, whether it's subtle little movements or twitches, or whatever the case may be. From there, he may fire two or more. But this doesn't happen much. Of course, he's never really in danger when he does this. I would say that from what I saw, about 80% of the time he's out of rhythm and/or defensive and from this, he's learned to be almost completely risk free while still controlling range and just landing counters and the occasional jab, straight right or hook. But he will get into his rhythm and fight when he's either forced to or thinks so little of the opponent that he elects to (depending on who you believe). I notice he did it vs. Cotto, a guy he before the fight promised he would stop, and Maidana, another guy he thought he could stop, where the ratio of fighting safe, out of rhythm was more around 60/40. (These are just arbitrary numbers for illustrative purposes, I didn't actually sit and calculate it but you get what I mean...) Against Pacquiao, however, it was more like 80/20 non-rhythm vs rhythm, just sitting back and winning rounds without even really "fighting" -- just standing back, watching, throwing counters and pot shots, a pace he can do without ever tiring. Then it occurred to me that he effectively beat another world class fighter (the one would had a better chance than any) on autopilot, without ever getting out of 2nd gear, except for a few brief moments after his dad would get annoyed with him, knowing full well his son had a 3rd, 4th or even 5th gear he could use to put an exclamation point on the performance. But of course, that goes against his (smart/boring?) risk-averse fight philosophy. In a way, it's an admirable display of how to fight as an aging fighter more prone to injury and danger while making more money than anyone could ever fathom. But anyway, what do you make of this in-ring approach of not fighting in rhythm and being able to control the action with little to no effort? Or is this in the end just a testament of great, great skill?


-The Shadow :

I would say Sweet Pea's whole package was more exciting to watch then Floyd's.Defense and Offense.Watching him dipsy-do 6 punches with his hands down at his side and dance away with a smirk only to come back to the pocket with brutal power punches. As far as skills we can break it down to speed=pernell,power=pernell,ring generalship=pernell by a landslide, defense=toss up. Floyd's prevent defense might be more effective than Pernell's spectacular defense but which would you rather watch. Sweet Pea had the whole package and the charisma factor in the ring. Floyd is anti- climatic. Put a Floyd's highlight video next to Pernell's highlight video and which would you rather watch?
I agree Whitaker looks more flashy, but I don't agree with the power part. He only had around 17 KOs I believe?


-Radam G :

I would say Sweet Pea's whole package was more exciting to watch then Floyd's.Defense and Offense.Watching him dipsy-do 6 punches with his hands down at his side and dance away with a smirk only to come back to the pocket with brutal power punches. As far as skills we can break it down to speed=pernell,power=pernell,ring generalship=pernell by a landslide, defense=toss up. Floyd's prevent defense might be more effective than Pernell's spectacular defense but which would you rather watch. Sweet Pea had the whole package and the charisma factor in the ring. Floyd is anti- climatic. Put a Floyd's highlight video next to Pernell's highlight video and which would you rather watch?
I agree BIG time! Holla!


-Radam G :

I agree Whitaker looks more flashy, but I don't agree with the power part. He only had around 17 KOs I believe?
I see them having about the same power at 147/154. "Sweet Pea" had three kayos. And Lil Floyd has had two. Most of Lil Floyd's kayos were at Jr. Lightweight. And when he didn't constantly damage his hands a lot. Hitting bigger pugs has likely caused him the hand problems. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

I agree Whitaker looks more flashy, but I don't agree with the power part. He only had around 17 KOs I believe?
Sweet pea only had those knockouts but he had to have very good power to exchange with Azumah Nelson, Ramirez,prime JCC, buddy mcgirt,DLH,The monster named Trinidad,and Haugen. Pernell put himself in danger so many times and took risks. What edge do you give Floyd over Sweet Pea?


-The Shadow :

Sweet pea only had those knockouts but he had to have very good power to exchange with Azumah Nelson, Ramirez,prime JCC, buddy mcgirt,DLH,The monster named Trinidad,and Haugen. Pernell put himself in danger so many times and took risks. What edge do you give Floyd over Sweet Pea?
Off the top of my head, defense and offensive effectiveness (which Compubox agress with, for whatever it's worth). But let me watch a few fights of his later when I'm free so I can give a better, more educated answer. Is that cool?


-stormcentre :

Another thread h-jacked by the Troll (singular)
Well, aside from how you have overlooked how the thread may actually, in the first place, be hijacked by DonkeyDelusion and DonkeyLieHypocrisy; Donkey will love you long time for that inconsistent and short-sighted comment. Perhaps you can even get a promotion to sergeant of arms within the PacQueen gang. :) If not with that comment then via your ability to be reasonably inconsistent. I only say that, as just a while back here - whilst I was still the "singular Truth-Troll" - you had your pants down around your ankles for me. [QUOTE=Kid Blast;81407]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20934-BEADLEGATE-ESPN-s-Beadle-CNN-s-Nichols-In-Credential-Flap/page2&p=81407#post81407 Stormcenter rules[/QUOTE] Madam, promote this man. He epitomizes all that you, Donkey and the entire PacQueen movement stands (or lays down) for. :) :)


-stormcentre :

I would say Sweet Pea's whole package was more exciting to watch then Floyd's. Defense and Offense.Watching him dipsy-do 6 punches with his hands down at his side and dance away with a smirk only to come back to the pocket with brutal power punches. As far as skills we can break it down to speed=pernell,power=pernell,ring generalship=pernell by a landslide, defense=toss up. Floyd's prevent defense might be more effective than Pernell's spectacular defense but which would you rather watch. Sweet Pea had the whole package and the charisma factor in the ring. Floyd is anti- climatic. Put a Floyd's highlight video next to Pernell's highlight video and which would you rather watch?
OK, once again . . . firstly I said . . . [QUOTE=stormcentre;82413]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82413&viewfull=1#post82413 Also, yet to have anyone take me up on my offer to produce video of any yesteryear fighter displaying
more technical skills than Floyd. [/QUOTE] Please don't change the subject. Pernell is not more technically skilled than Floyd. Please put up the comparison highlight video D2; as even if I am wrong, we will see many things. Amongst other things, Pernell was often overly defensive minded and didn't always go for the KO. And you have already effectively stated that those characteristics repulse you when/if Floyd exhibits them. Furthermore, I don't understand why your above defensive and/or "dipsy do" comments don't apply to Floyd either? As Floyd has done similar (if not better) defensive things, and I have even highlighted them for you in other posts. I would welcome someone to show me a highlight video reel of Pernell executing the same skills as Floyd in the above-mentioned fights; particularly Gatti. I am not sure about your skillset breakdown either and wonder if this is where the origin of some disconnects and justifications pertaining to Floyd are. D2, there are quite a few more categories to a fighter's skillset than the 3 you have shown there for fighter's skillsets. Particularly with such a sophisticated and technically proficient boxer as Floyd that - as you have proven with your post - possesses so many skills that most pundits don't even recognize and/or understand them. Anyway, those 3 skillsets you have listed - even if I agreed with your questionable use of them and analysis - actually favor your own flawed analysis. I'll substantiate that claim a little later in this bipolar "Truth Troll" post that I have secretly designed to alleviate my jealousy associated with not winning last years' forum contest (even though I deliberately started my Algo thread after the contest closed; are you reading this Donkey?). :) [QUOTE=deepwater2;82444] As far as skills we can break it down to speed=pernell,power=pernell,ring generalship=pernell by a landslide, defense=toss up. Floyd's prevent defense might be more effective than Pernell's spectacular defense but which would you rather watch. Sweet Pea had the whole package and the charisma factor in the ring. [/QUOTE] Are you really telling us that all there is to a fighter's skillset is; "speed", "power", and "ring generalship"? Where does proprioception fit in? Where does timing fit in? Where does balance fit in? Where does the other defence strategies that Floyd has; even if his most popular defence could properly be called a "prevent defence"; which it can't? Why do you even talk of defences but not include a skillset category for it? Personally, I think these omissions tell us a lot about why/how the PacLossExcuseMovement and FloydHateMovement works. Your 3 skillset/step approach to comparing Floyd and Pernell is almost as laughable as your earlier posts inference pertaining to PacFraud getting a pass for the NSACfraud because he wanted to keep his "injury" a secret. Never mind his signed and legal obligations eh? However, even if your 3 skillset/step breakdown didn't favor Donkey, perhaps even she would be up in hooves screaming "no", "no", "no"; as she has done many, many times before in these forums to similarly simplistic categorizations of fighter's skillsets. As mentioned above/below, these simplistic and seriously flawed approaches to backing up what is already unsubstantiated and interesting comments/views about Floyd and the MayPac fight actually allow us all insight into where the PacLossExcuseMovement and FloydHateMovement actually originates from. Now - just for fun - let's just say there are (laughably) only "speed", "power", and "ring generalship". Please let me just stop laughing first. OK, even if that is the case; obviously you - as both Donkey and AmaysengPlaytheng often seem to - don't know and/or didn't even bother to check; with respect to "power". Here are the facts . . . .
Floyd; Won 48 fights - Lost 0 - KO wins 26
Pernell; Won 40 fights - Lost 4 - KO wins 17. So, how can Pernell have more "power"? Same for speed. As for ring generalship . . well all I will say is let's let you put that compilation-comparison video together and ensure it includes all the Money May & Pretty Boy fights I have previously mentioned in my other posts. I bet you run from that task; but hope you don't. :) Until you explain the above/below issues with your claims and do that; Pernell does not have better ring generalship and/or speed than Floyd. And - since we bothered to check before posting - we now also know Pernell does not have more power than Floyd. I am surprised to see that Donkey (whom usually thinks he knows a thing or two about these types of considerations) didn't catch you out on the Pernell V Floyd "power" thing. But then why resort to facts when both, you usually gallop from them . . and they don't suit you (consistency?). It's not like Donkey and consistency and/or reliability are even remotely synonymous is it? Seriously though, I really had expected more than this from you. As this is the standard of baseless claims - released without any meaningful thought - that we usually get from Donkey and AmaysengPlaytheng. OK, time for a little boxing/matchmaking business and fighter psychology 101. Clearly it is needed. Firstly, there are more than 20 individual and separate skillset areas a fighter can possess. I am not talking about a fighter from the Donkey spirit world. Or one that predominantly uses catch-weights and PEDs to achieve success so much that all those misled by the trick can't now bear to look at all the associated facts related to the catch-weight and PED blizzard that was cleverly utilize to achieve success and opportunistically deceive those that believed and were susceptible. Or one from the FloydHate PacLossExcuseMovement part of your world either. A lot of people don’t know how to break down fighter’s skillsets into their constituent components. Matchmakers may do, but even then some of them don’t’. So, instead – to compensate – some people (particularly PacQueens and PacTards) use their own ""gee whiz . .that looks cool . . he must be the best fighter ever!!!"" sensations of feeling un/impressed with a given fighter’s success, as alternative indicators to a realization of the fighter's true skillset. Aside from promotional companies relying on this mind-numbing and reasonably prevalent approach to "understanding" the fight game; this is also where the above-mentioned people, fans, and also the FloydHate and PacLossExcuseMovement usually start to go wrong with their predictions and also appreciating other fighters. Therefore, it is also one location where "fighter hate" and "PacFactFear" can originate from. “"OMG, how could I be wrong about my thoughts, feelings and predictions on this fighter, and what does that say about my posts and me as supposedly someone knowledgeable about the sport, especially if I keep getting it wrong? I know, (this is the "Eureka moment" for the typical fighter hate fan and/or PacQueen) I will find aspects of his style/success (that proved me wrong) that I don’t like – aspects that I know will negatively appeal to others – and from there I will ridicule him regardless of whether we have accepted and/or ignored those same debatably negative traits in other fighters; even if in against whom we predicted to be the best or not (Algeiri)”."
This is most likely the root cause of why "Substantiate", "Explain", "please follow through with your offer to clarify Donkey", and also why even remote accountability is treated pure kryptonite for Donkey and the entire PacQueen and PacJuiceLossExcuseMovement brigade. It is also provides some insight as to why the answers to the outstanding PacJuice, PacLossExcuse and PacQueen questions remain left alone and have been approached with nowhere near the same vigor that the wild, unsubstantiated and baseless (sometimes hate filled) claims are, instead, released. And just to help readers; a) Understand some of these concepts. b) See how dey work in da actuality of da snoop "donkey doggie reality". c) See what we're talking about here. We over here at "ObjectiveStantiationCentral" Australia have put together a little script based on the past 6 months happenings . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""OMG AmaysengPlaytheng how can Floyd push for PED testing and knock back the $5M penalty? Heck, he must be really scared and holding up the entire sport eh AmaysengPlaytheng? Yep, sure D2 . . hold on . . is
StormCentre watching? Nope, he appears to be busy actually training and doing the real thing . . . . OK . . while he's distracted let me quickly check with DonkeyMagic to see if that response to Floyd knocking back the $5M penalty suits our PacLossExcuse causes in a way where we won't have to explain if we end up looking like a group of amorous PacQueen Donkeys. OK, one thing though . . AmaysengPlaytheng, hurry up. Yep. Sure - you can trust me D2; both me an Donkey know every Iota of da game an we both keep it real and stay that way. Yep whatever AmaysengPlaytheng. Hey D2? Oh, sorry D2 . . . DonkeyMadam was actually excited, busy and in a dimly lit back room with Ronnie (whom had a strange large plastic glove up to his elbow on) when I went to check with him. What AmaysengPlaytheng? Don't worry D2; it happens all the time round dese ere parts. The good news is that Donkey grunted out what I thought was a "yes". What AmaysengPlaytheng? How could he do that whilst he was doing . . you know what? D2, Donkey can talk rubbish in a hurricane, and, both dream of and preach about new hair loss miracles under wet cement. So, Ronnie's glove placement - whilst a pleasurable Donkey distraction - is nothing . . what I mean is Donkey is totally committed to the PacLossExcuseMovement. The only thing is - just to keep his wild claims going - we motivate him by promising he will never have to explain. And, that's pure DonkeyWonderland for him. He never checks or cares about the truth - so if push comes to shove, we can always use Donkey as a (scape)Goat. Brilliant AmaysengPlaytheng. OK, well AmaysengPlaytheng whether Donkey released a "yes" or a "pleasure-yes" we will just take what we can get; so long as it serves our cause. Let's worry about the problems with our approach later . . perhaps when Donkey is not so distracted. Alright D2 . . sounds like a wickedly, ingenius and foolproof plan. OK, so . . lets - without checking??? - totally run with this and make ourselves look like experts. Hold on . . . . AmaysengPlaytheng . . one more thing! Yep what D2? What if
StormCentre catches us out and we look like idiots? Don't worry AmaysengPlaytheng, between (a) Donkey wildly posting and his proven expertise with misdirection and pretending his DonkeyWonderland lies are not the source of the issue, (b) those that are easily misled and believe it . . and (c) also including our cool trick of burying false claims and screw ups in others we (are yet to) make of the same quality . . . we should be able to move from the smelly lump and put the blame on something else. Will that really work AmaysengPlaytheng? It's what we always do D2. Plus, also remember this D2 - it's a rule I always go by - because some others here love to treat the forum as a place to say anything, even hypocritically lie, and at any extremes, and without any accountability; if we make a big deal out of anyone questioning us. . these people too will support us to resist anything that has consistency and truth at its core - so this way we can always play that "freedom of not thinking speech card". Wow, AmaysengPlaytheng, you're really clever. One final thing AmaysengPlaytheng. Yep, what is it D2? Hurry, as
StormCentre may not always be this distracted. AmaysengPlaytheng You don't think our time and efforts would be better spent checking our claims and rants, and then genuinely showing that the noise we all PacQueen make about our claims is sincere do you? Hell no D2, do you know how much thinking that involves? After all, I am only a dual qualified PT. Plus, right now our fearless PacQueen leader and Donkey has his (tail) and hands full with a new miracle hair loss cure than involves howling at the moonlight whilst movie stars are in his cousin's secret cosmetology studio. AmaysengPlaytheng, what's that got to do with where Ronnie's arm is right now? Nothing D2. OK thanks AmaysengPlaytheng . . I'm with you. OK D2, ready, fire, aim"". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's enough of the script - aside from Donkey being the main "star" . . I think we all get the message. I hope yawl enjoyed it. Compelling stuff isn't it? :) So, perhaps, rather than laying it all out (more than I already have) for you as to how a simple 3 step skillset analysis (even one not skewed and erroneous) is woefully inadequate to compare 2 champions of the sport I could say this; 1) Please put together the comparison highlight reel as above offered and defined. 2) Even if you’re correct (which you are not) about Pernell being a better skilled fighter than Floyd, the fact that no-one previously stepped up to the challenge for ages - including all those that have been bagging Floyd lately and ignoring PacJuiceFraud’s antics – combined with the fact that you had to resort to someone as skilled as Pernell (whom even DonkeyErection approved) shows that everyone, including the PacQueens, really do know what Floyd has and how great he is. As Pernell is a legend. 3) The fact you have, with Pernell's repertoire, overlooked some of the things you complain about Floyd for; is telling. 4) The fact that Pernell does/did not have more power than Floyd, and what that says about the other 2 skillset areas you chose; is equally telling about the PacLossExcuseFloydHateMovement. 5) The fact that Pernell does/did not have more power than Floyd, and what that says about the other 2 skillset areas you chose; seems to state - by even your own misleading accounts - that Floyd has more skills than Floyd. 6) Pernell's popularity and earning ability - whilst not always a true and/or directly related indicator of a fighter's skills - and also Pernell's reign as a champion (whether undefeated or not; I am deliberately leaving that out to give Pernell a chance and also because if I include it the comparison becomes mute and is not competitive) is not even in the same cosmos as Floyd's. Please D2, let me tell you something, networks, advisors, and promoters do not give you the money and opportunities Floyd has been given because you are not skilled. You must be - whether you CherryJuicePick opponents or not - extremely skilled to last undefeated in this game as long as Floyd has; let alone be largely without a serious visual sign for it. Add to it all, how many times have we have been told (even by you) that Floyd was going to be beaten by his next opponent (proving Floyd exceeded your expectations) only to be ultimately shown that all those whom let a; 6a) 3 step skillset (whether it is wrongly/inaccurately used or not :) ). 6b) FloydHate. 6c) PacQueen. 6d) PacLossExcuseMovement. 6e) PacJuice and PacCatchWeight KO victory. Approach to thinking about Floyd and his fight's outcome; was doomed from the start. Which - in my opinion - is really where the hate and lack of interest in the facts and "stantiation" originates from. In terms of comparable, but probably not better, skills; I will now assist with some recent fighters. Remember the skills a fighter possesses are not necessarily those they chose to always display in a fight.
Rigondeaux. More skilled than Pernell.
Tszyu. (Watch the amateur fight with Forrest. Additionally, Kostya's hit and miss rate was, at one stage, on par with Floyd; but Tyszyu’s KO ratio {and risk taking rate} was, at that same time, much higher).
Naseem Hamed. Do I need to explain? Hamed was more skilled than Pernell.
James Toney.
Andre Dirrell. Highly skilled. Perhaps not always bringing it in the professional ring. Has am amateur win over 3G
Gamboa. Highly skilled. Finally, moving into the previous era’s fighters (once again) Ali did not have more skills than Floyd. You must understand the areas of a fighters skills to really know how and why I can be confident of these claims, and for that you must understand (and hopefully have experienced) the design of a good amateur program. I have been involved in 2 separate amateur programs, and I have seen no professional gym, regime, or routine like either of them. In fact, if you took some of the top professional boxers of today, and then made them go through these programs they would be almost unbeatable. It is, effectively, what 3G is doing now. Back to Ali; however, Ali (like SRR) was probably, arguably, plied his trade in a tougher era and took more risks; than Floyd. But (as Floyd tries to tell people) look where it got them in the end. Please don't ignore the caveats Floyd announces with his over the top TBE statements. Please remember that I said "show me someone with more skills - not show me someone that, in any category, you feel can make you right". There's a difference. I could probably find many ways that Floyd's claims about "TBE" are wrong. Conversely, if I remain real and positive, I can also find one way where the claim seems to have value. I believe, with this and other related posts, I have shown you that way. Life is better without negativity and being a hater. There are worse and far less skilled/accomplished, fighters to look to pull down; than Floyd. But if you must pull someone down, how about a guy that uses PEDs, fraud, and catch weights to win and/or KO guys? Anyone want to meaningfully talk about that? Cause if they do I don't see any meaningful answers to this post . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21096-The-Future-Mystery-of-Mr-Mayweather&p=81927&viewfull=1#post81927
Finally, I respect you D2, and please D2 provide the video comparison you speak of. Who, from the PacQueen brigade is next? AmaysengPlaytheng? Donkey? Eric? KidWonderBlast? #1 PacQueen?
Bring it on. Facts and claims you're prepared to be accountable for only please; as the rest is the main reason why Ronnie has that big above-mentioned rubber protection forearm glove on that is responsible for Donkey's "pleasure-yes" groans.
StormCentre


-Chris L :

^ Dude, why are you so offended if he has a difference of opinion to you. Asking him to put together a video to prove his point is ridiculous; it's a boxing forum. You talk about 'Pacqueens', but you are by and far the biggest 'Flomo' I've seen on the internet; and I follow some pretty casual Facebook boxing pages. These forums used to be filled with intelligent posts and were interesting to read when I had 10 minutes free at work - but every single thread is hijacked by 10 posts by one person each containing 1000+ words. Please can the TSS universe host a poll to ban this guy or something, he's not even a mod or anything and takes ownership of every article/thread created. I know I don't post much, but Jesus Christ I've never found anyone on the internet so annoying.


-stormcentre :

^ Dude, why are you so offended if he has a difference of opinion to you. Asking him to put together a video to prove his point is ridiculous; it's a boxing forum. You talk about 'Pacqueens', but you are by and far the biggest 'Flomo' I've seen on the internet; and I follow some pretty casual Facebook boxing pages. These forums used to be filled with intelligent posts and were interesting to read when I had 10 minutes free at work - but every single thread is hijacked by 10 posts by one person each containing 1000+ words. Please can the TSS universe host a poll to ban this guy or something, he's not even a mod or anything and takes ownership of every article/thread created. I know I don't post much, but Jesus Christ I've never found anyone on the internet so annoying.
I am not offended at all Chris. You are wrong in that respect. D2 actually proposed the idea of putting together the video. Try reading the posts and thinking first. Along with those you have obviously - from your above oversights - not read before posting; you don't have to read my posts Chris - I will be OK with that. Where was this concern of yours for the utter rubbish we were served pre MayPac? Take care Chris, and try not to misinterpret other's posts based on length and content to suit your own purposes; even if you do read them and those they relate to 1st.


-stormcentre :

^ Dude, why are you so offended if he has a difference of opinion to you. Asking him to put together a video to prove his point is ridiculous; it's a boxing forum. You talk about 'Pacqueens', but you are by and far the biggest 'Flomo' I've seen on the internet; and I follow some pretty casual Facebook boxing pages. These forums used to be filled with intelligent posts and were interesting to read when I had 10 minutes free at work - but every single thread is hijacked by 10 posts by one person each containing 1000+ words. Please can the TSS universe host a poll to ban this guy or something, he's not even a mod or anything and takes ownership of every article/thread created. I know I don't post much, but Jesus Christ I've never found anyone on the internet so annoying.
I am not offended at all Chris. I actually laugh through most posts I type. So, sorry, but you are wrong in that respect. Perhaps you shackle me with your own restrictions and feelings; if you were doing what I do. Perhaps you feel you would be pent up in that situation. But then, clearly, you have not even checked the very posts you refer to, before attacking me; which is - incredibly - what it is all PacQueen about. :) Had you bothered to read and check; and this is why it's not a good idea to shackle me with your own limitations, when/if you think about how you may feel if you were doing what I do - you would have seen that . . . . . . D2 actually proposed the idea of putting together the video. This is why I bolded that part of my post. Sometimes you need to do that so those quick to complain and attack can actually consider thinking and reading - in order to properly understand the subject - first. Chris, Try reading the posts and thinking first. Donkey will not be a good example there. :) Just so you know - I am laughing right now. Just so you know; I am merely highlighting what exists and leaving that for people to consider. Now, you can be short sighted and symptomatic about it, if you like; but that is all it is. Remember, no-one forces you to mis/read the post and those it relates to. Plus, they can't be that boring and difficult to consume; as the hit rate and my TSS and personal email in box substantiates. However, I appreciate that it is all too much for you and your fuse is almost blown. Along with those you have obviously - from your above oversights - not read before posting; you don't have to read my posts Chris - I will be OK with that. Where was this concern of yours for the utter rubbish we were served pre MayPac? Take care Chris, and try not to misinterpret other's posts based on length and content to suit your own purposes; even if you do read them and those they relate to 1st. Finally, I stated before the fight that I neither care about whom wins. That fact has not changed. So, this means we are left with a brash misinterpretation of the posts and facts that is wrongly perceived as FloydLove; when in fact it is FactLove. Happy to hear how that is wrong. Interesting how, now, what we are talking about is the actual undercurrent of the PacLossExcuseMovement; misinterpret and run from posts, claims, and facts, and claim that anything that highlights that is irritable and FloydLove - thus creating an excuse to never explain. :) :)


-stormcentre :

^ Dude, why are you so offended if he has a difference of opinion to you. Asking him to put together a video to prove his point is ridiculous; it's a boxing forum. You talk about 'Pacqueens', but you are by and far the biggest 'Flomo' I've seen on the internet; and I follow some pretty casual Facebook boxing pages. These forums used to be filled with intelligent posts and were interesting to read when I had 10 minutes free at work - but every single thread is hijacked by 10 posts by one person each containing 1000+ words. Please can the TSS universe host a poll to ban this guy or something, he's not even a mod or anything and takes ownership of every article/thread created. I know I don't post much, but Jesus Christ I've never found anyone on the internet so annoying.
I am not offended at all Chris. I actually laugh through most posts I type. So, sorry, but you are wrong in that respect. Perhaps you shackle me with your own restrictions and feelings; if you were doing what I do. Perhaps you feel you would be pent up in that situation. But then, clearly, you have not even checked the very posts you refer to, before attacking me; which is - incredibly - what it is all PacQueen about. :) Had you bothered to read and check; and this is why it's not a good idea to shackle me with your own limitations, when/if you think about how you may feel if you were doing what I do - you would have seen that . . . . . .
This is why I bolded that part of my post. Sometimes you need to do that so those quick to complain and attack can actually consider thinking and reading - in order to properly understand the subject - first. Chris, Try reading the posts and thinking first. Donkey will not be a good example there. :) Just so you know - I am laughing right now. Just so you know; I am merely highlighting what exists and leaving that for people to consider. Now, you can be short sighted and symptomatic about it, if you like; but that is all it is. Remember, no-one forces you to mis/read the post and those it relates to. Plus, they can't be that boring and difficult to consume; as the hit rate and my TSS and personal email in box substantiates. However, I appreciate that it is all too much for you and your fuse is almost blown. Along with those you have obviously - from your above oversights - not read before posting; you don't have to read my posts Chris - I will be OK with that. Where was this concern of yours for the utter rubbish we were served pre MayPac? Take care Chris, and try not to misinterpret other's posts based on length and content to suit your own purposes; even if you do read them and those they relate to 1st. Finally, I stated before the fight that I neither care about whom wins. That fact has not changed. So, this means we are left with a brash misinterpretation of the posts and facts that is wrongly perceived as FloydLove; when in fact it is FactLove. Happy to hear how that is wrong. Interesting how, now, what we are talking about is the actual undercurrent of the PacLossExcuseMovement; misinterpret and run from posts, claims, and facts, and claim that anything that highlights that is irritable and FloydLove - thus creating an excuse to never explain. :) :)


-Radam G :

Wow! The U.S. basketball fans are booing Lil Floyd like mad dogs.
->http://philboxing.com/news/story-108978.html. But when he comes to the P-Islands, there will be nuffin' but luv for him. Holla!


-stormcentre :

^ Dude, why are you so offended if he has a difference of opinion to you. Asking him to put together a video to prove his point is ridiculous; it's a boxing forum. You talk about 'Pacqueens', but you are by and far the biggest 'Flomo' I've seen on the internet; and I follow some pretty casual Facebook boxing pages. These forums used to be filled with intelligent posts and were interesting to read when I had 10 minutes free at work - but every single thread is hijacked by 10 posts by one person each containing 1000+ words. Please can the TSS universe host a poll to ban this guy or something, he's not even a mod or anything and takes ownership of every article/thread created. I know I don't post much, but Jesus Christ I've never found anyone on the internet so annoying.
I am not offended at all Chris. I actually laugh through most posts I type. So, sorry, but you are wrong in that respect. Perhaps you shackle me with your own restrictions and feelings; if you were doing what I do. Perhaps you feel you would be pent up in that situation. But then, clearly, you have not even checked the very posts you refer to, before attacking me; which is - incredibly - what it is all PacQueen about. :) Had you bothered to read and check; and this is why it's not a good idea to shackle me with your own limitations, when/if you think about how you may feel if you were doing what I do - you would have seen that . . . . . .
[QUOTE=deepwater2;82444]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82444&viewfull=1#post82444
[/QUOTE] Now I know you're on the ball; but this is why I bolded that part of my post. Sometimes you need to do that so those quick to complain and attack can actually consider thinking and reading - in order to properly understand the subject - first. Chris, Try reading the posts and thinking first. Donkey will not be a good example there. :) Just so you know - I am laughing right now. Just so you know; I am merely highlighting what exists and leaving that for people to consider. Now, you can be short sighted and symptomatic about it, if you like; but that is all it is. Remember, no-one forces you to mis/read the post and those it relates to. Plus, they can't be that boring and difficult to consume; as the hit rate and my TSS and personal email in box substantiates. However, I appreciate that it is all too much for you and your fuse is almost blown. Along with those you have obviously - from your above oversights - not read before posting; you don't have to read my posts Chris - I will be OK with that. Where was this concern of yours for the utter rubbish we were served pre MayPac? Take care Chris, and try not to misinterpret other's posts based on length and content to suit your own purposes; even if you do read them and those they relate to 1st. Additionally, I stated before the fight that I neither care about whom wins. That fact has not changed. So, this means we are left with a brash misinterpretation of the posts and facts that is wrongly perceived as FloydLove; when in fact it is FactLove. Happy to hear how that is wrong. Interesting how, now, what we are talking about is the actual undercurrent of the PacLossExcuseMovement; misinterpret and run from posts, claims, and facts, and claim that anything that highlights that is irritable and FloydLove - thus creating an excuse to never explain. :) :) Finally, to your comment about every single thread being hijacked . . . Would you like to examine how many threads there are that are not - even if we accept your definition of hijacked - hijacked? For your interest, they actually represent more than 70% Would you like to examine how many threads there are that do not even include a post from me? For your interest, they actually represent more than 60% So, given your PacQueen and wildly inaccurate and false approach to facts used to support am extreme hate post (funny coincidence that isn't); is there any chance your genius self who is lose with the facts and can't stand those that are not, would like to amend and/or change your claims? Perhaps to, say, StormCentre watching over every thread where Donkey has released an incredible claim and/or ran from an offer to explain; just as you have proven you do? Or would you prefer to ignore all these facts and continue on your wild and clearly inaccurate hate; TheTruth and StormCentre popularity crusade? I mean, after all, if your post has any substance surely it shouldn't have this many holes in it? Don't worry though, with your post you have made an entire universe of new PacQueen friends. They too - just like you - treat the truth and those that appreciate it, just as you do as they attack and hypocritically accuse. So, looking at the above and your post in all it's inaccurate and hypocritical glory . . . geez, no wonder some of you PacQueens don't like long truthful posts and also can't stop yourself from reading them (despite how you complain about them when they don't suit); after all, as shown above, you don't even know when you're telling the truth or not. What's more, you don't seem to even care - despite how the same posts are used to attack people and justify it. Furthermore, when there is this much hypocrisy, unjustified hate, and inconsistency in your posts; it's remarkable that you still publicly trick yourself into supposedly not being able to understand why any other post seeking to highlight all that, itself requires length. Like that many nested lies is explainable in 3 sentences and it hasn't already been attempted. I guess, under those circumstances it's just easier to appeal to the ""OMG lets just ignore the facts, my own hypocrisy and how that actually makes the guy I am attacking as right as I am wrong, and say that the post that proves what I am doing is not right is actually too long; that will both be popular and probably allow me to continue being an inaccurate idiot"" approach. Cause, unless there is another answer for all your oversights, that seems to be precisely what you have done. Welcome to DonkeyWonderland Chris; you're going to feel right at home. This should not be this easy. But then, whilst not reading, thinking, and checking is as prevalent as you have shown; it will always be easy and fun running rings around you and your hypocrisy. Love it !!!!! Finally, and just to keep it to simple 1 step tasks; try reading the posts yours relates to before shooting your load. OK? If you feel sad, you can find comfort with Donkey and his PacQueen crew as they care not about the approach you have taken. Thanks for the chance to laugh. Keep up the great work and if you want me to direct you to some of my posts about boxing that you can learn from; let me know.


-stormcentre :

^ Dude, why are you so offended if he has a difference of opinion to you. Asking him to put together a video to prove his point is ridiculous; it's a boxing forum. You talk about 'Pacqueens', but you are by and far the biggest 'Flomo' I've seen on the internet; and I follow some pretty casual Facebook boxing pages. These forums used to be filled with intelligent posts and were interesting to read when I had 10 minutes free at work - but every single thread is hijacked by 10 posts by one person each containing 1000+ words. Please can the TSS universe host a poll to ban this guy or something, he's not even a mod or anything and takes ownership of every article/thread created. I know I don't post much, but Jesus Christ I've never found anyone on the internet so annoying.
I am not offended at all Chris. I actually laugh through most posts I type. So, sorry, but you are wrong in that respect. Perhaps you shackle me with your own restrictions and feelings; if you were doing what I do. Perhaps you feel you would be pent up in that situation. But then, clearly, you have not even checked the very posts you refer to, before attacking me; which is - incredibly - what it is all PacQueen about. :) Had you bothered to read and check; and this is why it's not a good idea to shackle me with your own limitations, when/if you think about how you may feel if you were doing what I do - you would have seen that . . . . . .
[QUOTE=deepwater2;82444]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82444&viewfull=1#post82444
[/QUOTE] Now I know you're on the ball; but this is why I bolded that part of my post. Sometimes you need to do that so those quick to complain and attack can actually consider thinking and reading - in order to properly understand the subject - first. Chris, Try reading the posts and thinking first. Donkey will not be a good example there. :) Just so you know - I am laughing right now. Just so you know; I am merely highlighting what exists and leaving that for people to consider. Now, you can be short sighted and symptomatic about it, if you like; but that is all it is. Remember, no-one forces you to mis/read the post and those it relates to. Plus, they can't be that boring and difficult to consume; as the hit rate and my TSS and personal email in box substantiates. However, I appreciate that it is all too much for you and your fuse is almost blown. Along with those you have obviously - from your above oversights - not read before posting; you don't have to read my posts Chris - I will be OK with that. Where was this concern of yours for the utter rubbish we were served pre MayPac? Take care Chris, and try not to misinterpret other's posts based on length and content to suit your own purposes; even if you do read them and those they relate to 1st. Additionally, I stated before the fight that I neither care about whom wins. That fact has not changed. So, this means we are left with a brash misinterpretation of the posts and facts that is wrongly perceived as FloydLove; when in fact it is FactLove. Happy to hear how that is wrong. Interesting how, now, what we are talking about is the actual undercurrent of the PacLossExcuseMovement; misinterpret and run from posts, claims, and facts, and claim that anything that highlights that is irritable and FloydLove - thus creating an excuse to never explain. :) :) Finally, to your comment about every single thread being hijacked . . . Would you like to examine how many threads there are that are not - even if we accept your definition of hijacked - hijacked? For your interest, they actually represent more than 70% Would you like to examine how many threads there are that do not even include a post from me? For your interest, they actually represent more than 60% So, given your PacQueen and wildly inaccurate and false approach to facts used to support am extreme hate post (funny coincidence that isn't); is there any chance your genius self who is lose with the facts and can't stand those that are not, would like to amend and/or change your claims? Perhaps to, say, StormCentre watching over every thread where Donkey has released an incredible claim and/or ran from an offer to explain; just as you have proven you do? Or would you prefer to ignore all these facts and continue on your wild and clearly inaccurate hate; TheTruth and StormCentre popularity crusade? I mean, after all, if your post has any substance surely it shouldn't have this many holes in it? Don't worry though, with your post you have made an entire universe of new PacQueen friends. They too - just like you - treat the truth and those that appreciate it, just as you do as they attack and hypocritically accuse. So, looking at the above and your post in all it's inaccurate and hypocritical glory . . . geez, no wonder some of you PacQueens don't like long truthful posts and also can't stop yourself from reading them (despite how you complain about them when they don't suit); after all, as shown above, you don't even know when you're telling the truth or not. What's more, you don't seem to even care - despite how the same posts are used to attack people and justify it. Furthermore, when there is this much hypocrisy, unjustified hate, and inconsistency in your posts; it's remarkable that you still publicly trick yourself into supposedly not being able to understand why any other post seeking to highlight all that, itself requires length. Like that many nested lies is explainable in 3 sentences and it hasn't already been attempted. I guess, under those circumstances it's just easier to appeal to the ""OMG lets just ignore the facts, my own hypocrisy and how that actually makes the guy I am attacking as right as I am wrong, and say that the post that proves what I am doing is not right is actually too long; that will both be popular and probably allow me to continue being an inaccurate idiot"" approach. Cause, unless there is another answer for all your oversights, that seems to be precisely what you have done. Welcome to DonkeyWonderland Chris; you're going to feel right at home. This should not be this easy. But then, whilst not reading, thinking, and checking is as prevalent as you have shown; it will always be easy and fun running rings around you and your hypocrisy. Love it !!!!! Finally, and just to keep it to simple 1 step tasks; try reading the posts yours relates to before shooting your load. OK? If you feel sad, you can find comfort with Donkey and his PacQueen crew as they care not about the approach you have taken. Thanks for the chance to laugh. Keep up the great work and if you want me to direct you to some of my posts about boxing that you can learn from; let me know. I'll now leave your clever, consistent, and in no way hypocritical self to tend to that poll to have me banned. Good luck with that noble pursuit.


-Domenic :

Floyd is off the charts great. When he beat the rock solid, supreme pro Genaro Hernadez as an unseasoned guy, it was incredible (and not for nothing years later, Floyd paid for his funeral, behind the scenes, without fanfare, a moving, endearing move). I reflect on that and think damn, I've been watching this cat for 20 years at the highest level of the sport. 20 years is a long time. But he hasn't exhibited a profile in courage to get him on boxing's Mt. Rushmore, at least in my eyes. I'd historically rank Floyd in the Calzaghe realm. Ultra elite, but not transcendent.


-Radam G :

Lil Floyd being interviewed about how it was in the teen days:
->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=ZBaKrk9ZQ7w. And holla at Sweet Pea Whitaker schooling Uncle Roger:
->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=vrhyOdIlPNc. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Hee Haw at this one. It's the guy (the one laying out on the canvass) that everyone said was going to KO Floyd.

Naughty StormCentre. Now here's a few cut and pastes (yawl know I am a cut and paste patsy) from my personal email and/or inbox. Identities of the originators are withheld. Aside from that, these emails are a straight cut and paste. I get them every week. ""Hey Storm, love reading your posts as awlays. Don't let the bastards get to you, they just can't handle any1 that knows there stuff and expects them to back up what they say. Ur Algo thread was awesome, when are you going to finish that? Soon please"". ""I just wanted to let you know that I always go to your posts 1st in the forum. Are you at any gymns in LA""? ""Your thread on triple G and his supinated punching style was revolutionary. Brilliant stuff"". ""Storm, that EHHoF thread was the best thing I have ever seen on this site. I showed it to all those at my gym here in Florida and we all screamed. It's nbeen a long time coming for donkey man and his totally unbelievable stories. Remarkable how those that sometimes oppose you can tolerate lies but then as soon as you show them the truth, they either run for cover or attack you with more claims they cant prove. You have brought humor to a forum that was once solely the domain of guys that obviously don't even have 1/100th of your experience. Thank you"". And here's a few from last night. " "These clowns don't know how to read there own emails and the ones they refer to. I have been involved in boxing for 20 years and I can find nothing wrong with your posts". "Glad you have made Radam finally realize how full of "syet you not" he really is. The donkey idea was hilarious". "Can you believe Chris L? He is as hypocritical as he thinks you are. IS that guy an idoit or what? Imagine not even reading the post you refer to then calling you out for expecting someone to follw through on their own flawed idea. These guys have had it to good for to long. Obviously there is no quals needed to be in the forum. Anyway Strom I know you can deal with it and take him apart". "Storm, your AmaysengPlaything post was a scream. You bring a refreshing perspective to the forum Storm. Thanks"." No doubt Chris, Michigan, and many of you others, PacQueens included, receive the same support for keeping it real, following through on offers to explain, and knowing your stuff.


-amayseng :

Floyd is off the charts great. When he beat the rock solid, supreme pro Genaro Hernadez as an unseasoned guy, it was incredible (and not for nothing years later, Floyd paid for his funeral, behind the scenes, without fanfare, a moving, endearing move). I reflect on that and think damn, I've been watching this cat for 20 years at the highest level of the sport. 20 years is a long time. But he hasn't exhibited a profile in courage to get him on boxing's Mt. Rushmore, at least in my eyes. I'd historically rank Floyd in the Calzaghe realm. Ultra elite, but not transcendent.
I think of Floyd as a special talent who sold himself short at the ww division.


-stormcentre :

Hee Haw at this one. It's the guy (the one laying out on the canvass) that everyone said was going to KO Floyd.

Check the 25 second mark Naughty
StormCentre. Naughty facts. Now here's a few cut and pastes (yawl know I am a cut and paste patsy) from my personal email and/or inbox. The identities of the originators are withheld. Aside from that, these emails are a straight cut and paste. I get them every week. Chris L, please put them with your pursuit to have me banned; but not before you learn how to read posts. :) ""Hey Storm, love reading your posts as awlays. Don't let the bastards get to you, they just can't handle any1 that knows there stuff and expects them to back up what they say. Ur Algo thread was awesome, when are you going to finish that? Soon please"". ""I just wanted to let you know that I always go to your posts 1st in the forum. Are you at any gymns in LA""? ""Your thread on triple G and his supinated punching style was revolutionary. Brilliant stuff"". ""Storm, that EHHoF thread was the best thing I have ever seen on this site. I showed it to all those at my gym here in Florida and we all screamed. It's nbeen a long time coming for donkey man and his totally unbelievable stories. Remarkable how those that sometimes oppose you can tolerate lies but then as soon as you show them the truth, they either run for cover or attack you with more claims they cant prove. You have brought humor to a forum that was once solely the domain of guys that obviously don't even have 1/100th of your experience. Thank you"". ""Storm what you have uncovered in the forum is what I have suspected for years - hypocrisy and a real fear of anyone that has the balls and real experience to ask them to explain when they crap on. It was sooooooooooo funny to watch them run when you introduced concepts such explain and substantiate. I emailed everyone those posts links at the gym I go to and for a while you were famous". " And here's a few from last night. " "These clowns don't know how to read there own emails and the ones they refer to. I have been involved in boxing for 20 years and I can find nothing wrong with your posts". "Glad you have made Radam finally realize how full of "syet you not" he really is. The donkey idea was hilarious". "Can you believe Chris L? He is as hypocritical as he thinks you are. IS that guy an idoit or what? Imagine not even reading the post you refer to then calling you out for expecting someone to follw through on their own flawed idea. These guys have had it to good for to long. Obviously there is no quals needed to be in the forum. Anyway Strom I know you can deal with it and take him apart". "Storm, your AmaysengPlaything post was a scream. You bring a refreshing perspective to the forum Storm. Thanks"." No doubt Chris, Michigan, and many of you others, PacQueens included, receive the same support for keeping it real, following through on offers to explain, and knowing your stuff.
PS: when Donkey starts to tell the truth regularly (the actual source of the issue; for anyone remotely interested in the truth) I may then consider putting the "Truth Troll" (which he partly invented) away. Finally, does all this mean D2 will not make the video comparison he introduced? Love it !!!! You guys are a scream. I love you too Donkey; just not in the same way Ronnie does. Big shout out to Chris and Bitchigin too, without use none of this would be possible. You have made the
StormCentre as famous as the truth around here is rejected. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Floyd is off the charts great. When he beat the rock solid, supreme pro Genaro Hernadez as an unseasoned guy, it was incredible (and not for nothing years later, Floyd paid for his funeral, behind the scenes, without fanfare, a moving, endearing move). I reflect on that and think damn, I've been watching this cat for 20 years at the highest level of the sport. 20 years is a long time. But he hasn't exhibited a profile in courage to get him on boxing's Mt. Rushmore, at least in my eyes. I'd historically rank Floyd in the Calzaghe realm. Ultra elite, but not transcendent.
Yep, that is not an entirely unreasonable post, and elements of it are why - when I talk of how good Floyd is in the context of history - I almost always hold the comparison to his technical ability and say; ""show me someone with better technical skills"". Which to date, no one has yet done. Good post. Queens, pay attention, there is a short post for yawl that embodies a claim of mine that is consistently overlooked. I don't care if you disagree, just construct a good reason and present facts; not blurb for it. After all, debates - of which there are many in this forum - can't really be debates without facts. Otherwise then it's just $hit talking. And I know yawl PacQueens don't like to do that? :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

I think of Floyd as a special talent who sold himself short at the ww division.
Not a bad post for you. Floyd was not as dynamic in welterweight as he was in featherweight and lightweight. But - contrary to some popular PacQueen views - I actually think his fights with Canelo, Oscar, and Mosley actually show a lot of technique and game-plan that many of his detractors claims say doesn't exist. But hey, in the absence of a video compilation to prove it, and whilst substantiation is so unpopular and deliberately misinterpreted, I am happy to agree with you on the fact that Floyd is a special talent. :) :)


-deepwater2 :

Floyd
->http://youtu.be/sLzw4RiqGqQ Sweet pea
->http://youtu.be/HkC9OCd03eo If you don't see the boxing skills in the sweet pea video than I can't say much more


-stormcentre :

Floyd
->http://youtu.be/sLzw4RiqGqQ Sweet pea
->http://youtu.be/HkC9OCd03eo If you don't see the boxing skills in the sweet pea video than I can't say much more
Thanks. D2, let's get one thing straight -
- I am not saying Pernell has no skills. Can you not read my or others posts (like Chris and Donkey) before responding? I am not saying change the goalposts so you can find a way to be right. Please reread posts #61 and #64. What I am saying is; 1) Show me
more skills than Floyd. 2) Try not to use a simple and flawed 3 step approach to be right. 3) Use
Floyd's fights that I previously mention. That is the starting point. How hard is this for you? Anyway, let's keep laughing. Aside from the more power blunder in your earlier post; please explain how, where, and why do you think Pernell is more skilled than Floyd.


-stormcentre :

Floyd
->http://youtu.be/sLzw4RiqGqQ Sweet pea
->http://youtu.be/HkC9OCd03eo If you don't see the boxing skills in the sweet pea video than I can't say much more
Thanks. D2, let's get one thing straight -
- I am not saying Pernell has no skills. Can you not read my or others posts (like Chris and Donkey) before responding? I am not saying change the goalposts so you can find a way to be right. Please reread posts #61 and #64. I am not saying use another flawed approach. What I am saying is; 1) Show me
more skills than Floyd. 2) Try not to use a simple and flawed 3 step approach to be right. 3) Use
Floyd's fights that I previously mention . Not a "Floyd's worst moments video"; as that not only takes us back to your above point 2 (covered in above posts #61 and #64) - but also (again) shows how the PacQueen movement works and justifies its questionable claims." That is the starting point. How hard is this for you? Anyway, let's keep laughing. Aside from the “Pernell has more power" blunder in your earlier post; please - as I do stake your claim in the ground and be accountable to it - explain how, where, and why do you think Pernell is more skilled than Floyd. That way (even though your first step is not promising for the above provided reasons) the debate can be sensible and has less chance of collapsing into a frenzy of unsubstantiated opinion. Please show me this this is more than the typical PacQueen approach to genuine claims and debate. Because right now with your latest goal shifting approach you have done what Pac usually does before fights; look for unfair (PED) advantages - because he knows he can't win fairly.


-Radam G :

Floyd
->http://youtu.be/sLzw4RiqGqQ Sweet pea
->http://youtu.be/HkC9OCd03eo If you don't see the boxing skills in the sweet pea video than I can't say much more
Great stuff! Sweet Pea is number two on my list of ATG P4Ps with the uncanny abilities to switch on a dime from defense to offense. He and the late, great Willie Pep were speed-demon monsters going from defense to offense and vice versa. They could make you miss with shots at close distance and then drill and kill you with as many shots as they wanted to. Awesome, my friend! Simply awesome! Holla!


-brownsugar :

Pernell was one of my favorite. Exciting and flashy. But he wasn't as good as Floyd before Floyd started suffering from hand injuries. Pernell took on all comers and was a serious crowd pleaser. Its a shame that he talks with a heavy tongue now that his fighting days are over. Who knows the same fate might befall Floyd. But fighting in a manner which prevents the athlete from living a high quality of life after their boxing is a tragedy that too many fighters are afflicted with. What good are the cheers and accolades when you are trapped in husk that won't allow you to move any faster than a 95 year old like Ali, or beset with blindness and memory loss like Gerald McClellan. Both Sam Langford and Harry Greb fought while blind in at least one eye . Greb died on the operating table at the age of 32 while having a cataract removed. I don't think its so bad for Floyd to want a full life after boxing.


-Radam G :

Pernell was one of my favorite. Exciting and flashy. But he wasn't as good as Floyd before Floyd started suffering from hand injuries. Pernell took on all comers and was a serious crowd pleaser. Its a shame that he talks with a heavy tongue now that his fighting days are over. Who knows the same fate might befall Floyd. But fighting in a manner which prevents the athlete from living a high quality of life after their boxing is a tragedy that too many fighters are afflicted with. What good are the cheers and accolades when you are trapped in husk that won't allow you to move any faster than a 95 year old like Ali, or beset with blindness and memory loss like Gerald McClellan. Both Sam Langford and Harry Greb fought while blind in at least one eye . Greb died on the operating table at the age of 32 while having a cataract removed. I don't think its so bad for Floyd to want a full life after boxing.
The late, greats Jimmy Ellis and "Smokin' Joe Frazier fought much of their career blind in one eye. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Here is one fight that should be in the comparison.

So, I will be looking for better skills (in areas other than just "speed", "power", and "ring generalship") than Floyd displays here. Personally, I am not sure Pernell displays better skills than Floyd exhibits here but lets just see how you go explaining (as I do; remember all those long posts the PacQueens don't like) how what Floyd brings in this fight is not as good as Pernell. I look forward to your comprehensive breakdown of the fight across both fighter's skillsets. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Pernell was one of my favorite. Exciting and flashy. But he wasn't as good as Floyd before Floyd started suffering from hand injuries. Pernell took on all comers and was a serious crowd pleaser. Its a shame that he talks with a heavy tongue now that his fighting days are over. Who knows the same fate might befall Floyd. But fighting in a manner which prevents the athlete from living a high quality of life after their boxing is a tragedy that too many fighters are afflicted with. What good are the cheers and accolades when you are trapped in husk that won't allow you to move any faster than a 95 year old like Ali, or beset with blindness and memory loss like Gerald McClellan. Both Sam Langford and Harry Greb fought while blind in at least one eye . Greb died on the operating table at the age of 32 while having a cataract removed. I don't think its so bad for Floyd to want a full life after boxing.
A voice of reason and common sense. How refreshing.


-stormcentre :

Great stuff! Sweet Pea is number two on my list of ATG P4Ps with the uncanny abilities to switch on a dime from defense to offense. He and the late, great Willie Pep were speed-demon monsters going from defense to offense and vice versa. They could make you miss with shots at close distance and then drill and kill you with as many shots as they wanted to. Awesome, my friend! Simply awesome! Holla!
Steady up Donkey.
->http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/618259/Donkey/ D2 knows (and expects that) you're erect and excited because someone has tried to get an advantage before a debate by shifting the goalposts; PacPED style. Must be "de-ja-vu" for you; since you're a PacEntourage member. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Great stuff! Sweet Pea is number two on my list of ATG P4Ps with the uncanny abilities to switch on a dime from defense to offense. He and the late, great Willie Pep were speed-demon monsters going from defense to offense and vice versa. They could make you miss with shots at close distance and then drill and kill you with as many shots as they wanted to. Awesome, my friend! Simply awesome! Holla!
Steady up Donkey.
->http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/618259/Donkey/ D2 knows (and expects that) you're erect and excited because someone has tried to get an advantage before a debate by shifting the goalposts; PacPED style. Must be "de-ja-vu" for you; since you're a PacEntourage member. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

The late, greats Jimmy Ellis and "Smokin' Joe Frazier fought much of their career blind in one eye. Holla!
Step right up here folks. Here is Donkey Logic at large. So . . . then. . . . Floyd or any fighter should have no concerns about their future health. After all Frazier enjoyed a great after boxing life. What a numpty claim. :) :)


-brownsugar :

A voice of reason and common sense. How refreshing.
Thanks for the gracious words, I've been reading up on the legendary Harry Greg lately.. And also the observations of Charles Farrell a virtuoso jazz pianist who became a virtuoso fight fixer. His stories regarding his shady dealing with managing fighters and revelations about fighting styles are as interesting a read as you will ever find. A lot of his stuff is on DeadSpin.


-deepwater2 :

I knew you would get a kick out of the Floyd video. How could you not enjoy Floyd's worst moments? That post was all about Sweet pea. Floyd has more knockouts yes, and pretty boy Floyd so much more exciting then money, that's why I enjoyed watching that Floyd. That fat slow Gatti was a sitting duck for Floyd. Arturo also complained about the illegal Floyd elbow and paid the price. I guess it's just my opinion that sweet pea had an edge in power but 100% I enjoy watching sweet pea more than Philly shell Floyd. Also I think the coke did more damage to Pernell than boxing did


-The Shadow :

I knew you would get a kick out of the Floyd video. How could you not enjoy Floyd's worst moments? That post was all about Sweet pea. Floyd has more knockouts yes, and pretty boy Floyd so much more exciting then money, that's why I enjoyed watching that Floyd. That fat slow Gatti was a sitting duck for Floyd. Arturo also complained about the illegal Floyd elbow and paid the price. I guess it's just my opinion that sweet pea had an edge in power but 100% I enjoy watching sweet pea more than Philly shell Floyd.
Also I think the coke did more damage to Pernell than boxing did
I would agree with that statement. And I think the same would hold true for Sugar Ray Leonard. Maybe even Mike Tyson. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with having favorites. I love watching a young Muhammad Ali, it's incredible to see his almost gravity-defying movements, as if he's hovering and circling three inches above air against some over manned opponent. (But like Stormcentre said, when it comes to boxing skill, pound for pound, Mayweather is far more well rounded and skilled than Ali. And I would agree, even though I'm the biggest Ali mark around, like on some other level of fandom. I practically wrote all my school essays about him, I got posters of him in my room at my dad's house TO THIS DAY. But like Paulie Malignaggi said, his idol was Gatti but when asked what would happen against Floyd, he said he gets stopped, just by comparing the skill sets.) But I also think that's part of what makes a fighter great, the ability to stay disciplined, even when they've reached the pinnacle. It's easy to take for granted when watching but I think Hopkins, Mayweather (possibly the Klitschkos) may be the two most disciplined fighters -- in and out of the ring -- ever. And that's the ultimate testament to their greatness, I think. Here's a recent pic of The Greatest, folks.
->https://twitter.com/MuhammadAli/status/601413415744053248


-brownsugar :

I would agree with that statement. And I think the same would hold true for Sugar Ray Leonard. Maybe even Mike Tyson. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with having favorites. I love watching a young Muhammad Ali, it's incredible to see his almost gravity-defying movements, as if he's hovering and circling three inches above air against some over manned opponent. (But like Stormcentre said, when it comes to boxing skill, pound for pound, Mayweather is far more well rounded and skilled than Ali. And I would agree, even though I'm the biggest Ali mark around, like on some other level of fandom. I practically wrote all my school essays about him, I got posters of him in my room at my dad's house TO THIS DAY. But like Paulie Malignaggi said, his idol was Gatti but when asked what would happen against Floyd, he said he gets stopped, just by comparing the skill sets.) But I also think that's part of what makes a fighter great, the ability to stay disciplined, even when they've reached the pinnacle. It's easy to take for granted when watching but I think Hopkins, Mayweather (possibly the Klitschkos) may be the two most disciplined fighters -- in and out of the ring -- ever. And that's the ultimate testament to their greatness, I think. Here's a recent pic of The Greatest, folks.
->https://twitter.com/MuhammadAli/status/601413415744053248
Great comments....and coke messed up a lot of people, but even the most hardcore abusers and addicts don't slur from using it.


-#1 PacFan :

Floyd Mayweather Jr. got all my respect for his win against PAC up until he was calling PAC a coward and a sore loser. He bested Manny but not in a dominant fashion after watching that fight 100 times(for reals). I agree he is the best of this era but I would like him to erase all the doubts that his uncle has. Rematch?


-Radam G :

Floyd Mayweather Jr. got all my respect for his win against PAC up until he was calling PAC a coward and a sore loser. He bested Manny but not in a dominant fashion after watching that fight 100 times(for reals). I agree he is the best of this era but I would like him to erase all the doubts that his uncle has. Rematch?
Smart or maybe not-so-smart uncle. Sometimes it is best to move on. Lil Floyd would be chancing. He knows da real real and da deal. Holla!


-stormcentre :

I knew you would get a kick out of the Floyd video. How could you not enjoy Floyd's worst moments? That post was all about Sweet pea. Floyd has more knockouts yes, and pretty boy Floyd so much more exciting then money, that's why I enjoyed watching that Floyd. That fat slow Gatti was a sitting duck for Floyd. Arturo also complained about the illegal Floyd elbow and paid the price. I guess it's just my opinion that sweet pea had an edge in power but 100% I enjoy watching sweet pea more than Philly shell Floyd. Also I think the coke did more damage to Pernell than boxing did
Yep I got a kick out of it. Actually laughed at you to tell the truth; you'll find out why below. However, if, in a boxing forum, you're proud of not substantiating and running from your offers to prove a claim (as Donkey cant stop doing); then it don't bother me - cause that's your principles eh? No surprises for me though. I knew you could never prove your point on a level playing field, and to tell you the truth your goalpost shift at the 11th hour was just like PacFraud's NSAC form; strange PacQueen coincidence eh? Anyway, let's keep laughing; cause short, long, bolded, or red highlighted posts - this is; not serious for me, easy work, and hilarious fun. I and almost all I know that have laughed and come along for the ride, have never seen; hypocrisy, the right to uphold the above-mentioned curious principles, and in general thought/integrity-mediocrity, all quite so happily and gleefully celebrated. I certainly would not be happy with it. But then for; you, Donkey, Chris and a few others, it's obviously a high point. Still, that is what you like and I accept that. Let's move on with more humour. You may have noticed how fast my response to your earlier goal shifting post (that ensured no fair comparison of skills could take place; removing your risk of being wrong) was? There is a reason for that, and I can share it with you and the PacQueen movement now. Well, the thing was (not saying you're predictable and run from the truth, but . . .) I knew you would shift goalposts and not include highlight reels that allowed for a fair comparison and the fights I stated; so I actually drafted most of my response before yours to which it replied. You see - and I really do wish this was not the case (but it is) - Donkey, Chris, and many others often make a ludicrous claim, then offer to clarify, or they pretend to forget, and/or then they "accidentally" fail to honour their claim and offer to explain it (despite ridiculing others for this), often the PacQueen brigade all assists each other to do this, then whomever is actively "displaying these skills and principles" will usually launch into a tirade, that can also serve as an act of misdirection, they accuse others of precisely what it is they are doing as they duck out the backdoor of explaining their claims; all in an effort to distract from the fact that they can't - even by their own (often flawed) "standards" - back up what they vehemently say. The fact that these practices have gone on for so long and are so cherished, prevalent, and defended, is - for multiple (including defensive) reasons - why any post the seeks to accurately describe it, is seen as too long. As most that hate them and the truth they represent know; no post that accurately describes these "principles and practices" (and the tens of posts they themselves spill out over) could ever be short - as the hypocrisy and deception often is diffused and spread out over multiple posts and authors - as one look at Donkey's E&HHoF proves. Still, and this is a digression, but nonetheless it is remarkable that - in the event that it appears that the ability to run from explaining claims seems at risk - even someone that authors such a catalog of untruths and hypocrisy as the E&HHoF can still be coveted by those upholding the above-mentioned "principles and practices". Given that the E&HHoF is in itself probably one of the most astonishing catalogs of inconsistent jibber any person could dream up and/or witness, and given also that many to which the above "principles and practices" apply often are themselves regularly involved in debates that, at their heart, is a loudly beating inference/claim and assumption that they are always telling the truth (take Chris' oversight riddled above post #62 {which despite being a scream of humour, strangely, causes no forum concern such as the mention of "explain" does} and my response to it, post #64; highlighting all its inaccuracies/hypocrisy as it attacks me without even checking its own facts); it is even more bewildering that lies, hypocrisy, and failing to follow through on offers to explain is regularly - for the above stated reasons - cherished, practiced, and defended as if it has a higher value than consistency and the truth - despite consistency and the truth being the claimed foundation for many debates. In short it is hypocrisy that is as thundering as it is predictable and laughable, and that's why I can almost always construct or think of responses to your posts before you write them. That and the fact that I am not afraid to explain without shifting goalposts. Don't get me wrong, I am not upset that Donkey, Chris, sometimes you, and others are like this. Confession; I have actually become addicted to laughing at it, and seeing the absolute extreme extent you cats go to in order to run from explaining yourselves. Often you will spend 6 times the effort evading, wiggling, shifting, moving goalposts, and running; than it would take to think about what you're saying. And, in the absence of another explanation and in the wake of all the emails I receive I have to say that is probably why substantiation was rejected by the PacQueen brigade (but mostly no-one else). Yes substantiation and explain are very unpopular here; even with those that claim and say they will - such as your Floyd V Pernell videos show. It's OK though; as even if Floyd is only as good as Pernell that still leaves a huge question mark over many of the PacQueen claims about Floyd and the way he fights. And we all now what will happen with that question mark and the questions it relates to. :) Anyway, last year I studied these interesting phenomena and hypocritical behaviours here in the forum, but at the same time I was not active with the research; in the sense that I did/wrote nothing to see if the offers to explain (the sometimes fantastic claims) would be followed through on - or ran from - as most have been. I found it intriguing how utterly vehement and emotional some were with their fight and other claims, and what it meant to them to be right; even though it was obvious that some could not ever back their claims up. However, of equal interest although rather curious - was the fact that nowhere near the same vigour was ever applied when the excuses ran out of gas, and it finally became time to actually back the claim up and/or follow through on an offer to do so. Usually then we saw Donkey behaviour; or that you have exhibited with the Floyd V Pernell comparison - preferring to ensure the comparison always has the chance of collapsing into a popularity and truth hating contest. I would love to be proven wrong there by the way, but I notice you have not explained your position as per my requests in above posts - so once again there is nothing tangible to underpin the comparison. Getting back to the research; more interesting was the fact that - as the claim was not backed up and ran from - in some instances it was almost completely forgotten that the very same person authoring the claim and fleeing from their own opportunity to explain it, had actually got to that point by not only severely ridiculing another for seemingly failing to substantiate their claim - but seriously labelling them derogatory names for doing so. This happened on more than 50 occasions last year. In almost all of those situations the preference was given to group mentality and converting losing battles to explain into free for alls and hyena like bullying, and as such the relief of the poster not having to honour their own offers to explain (not to me either) a claim of their own - whether or not it was a claim that created the issue, was vehemently released/defended in the first place, and/or used to ridicule others - was palpable. And here, right now, what do I see? Well, you look proud that you have not followed through properly on our original agreements/discussions/claims to run a proper comparison. Confession; I don't care really. Sometimes with psychological experiments the subjects are led to think the study is about subject "A", when in fact the matter of interest is subject "B"; only so the subjects themselves don't know they're the subjects. Sure I love boxing, but that, or rather the fights in question, are not really the point here; as the group behaviour and its underlying romance with claims/hypocrisy is far more interesting. For me, I don't really care whether strap yourself to the underside of Donkey and let him tattoo "I'm a PacQueen" on your forehead as you both gallop around the paddock watching reruns of Pernell fighting Trinidad - for me it has always been about just what extent some will go to avoid and explain the very claims they both defend and feel so passionate about. Also, if I really did care that much, I know that I have won before it even started. Here's why. You see, (if that were the case, and I really did care; enough to stack the deck of a comparison as you have) as soon as I knew you would shift goalposts and not only fail to properly run a fair comparison - but even fail to properly explain your position across all skill sets - that was when I knew you knew you were both unable to follow through on offers to substantiate your claims and therefore also a loser with respect to your comparison. If that were not the case, there would be absolutely no need for you to; run from your own offers to substantiate your claims, fail to properly explain your position across all skill sets, use a simple 3 skill set approach, and shift goalposts. Anyway, there are some facts to ignore and also another post for guys like Chris, Donkey and others to say they don't read; yet another interesting aspect of the research. So, currently no-one yet has shown me a video with more skills than Floyd; which was where we started. What we do have it you telling us that Pernell is better; which was where we started. Which, is, something that I saw a lot of all last year. Anyway D2, you take care. Nothing in this post says that I think any less of you from an IQ perspective. It's just all research for my book that I am writing about boxing, training, fighting, and how the mind works. Finally, (at this stage anyway) I have no intention of referring to you in my book by your TSS alias either; although I can't promise I won't recount some interactions and/or posts. :)
PS: if you want me to show you how to do the Floyd V Pernell comparison properly and across most relevant fighter skill sets, just let me know. It's OK to not know, and I don’t mind helping people learn about boxing which is why - despite how my boxing related services are offered across countries and even utilized by those here on this website – I provide the information within the 3G punching and Algorithm threads for free. So, if you want me to show you, as soon as I complete the Algorithm thread I will get to it with you. Your call there; no-one else has to know if you want it to be private. See, there really is no hard feelings. The
StormCentre really does know where you are with all this.


-#1 PacFan :

Smart or maybe not-so-smart uncle. Sometimes it is best to move on. Lil Floyd would be chancing. He knows da real real and da deal. Holla!
Uncle Roger sounded with a displeased toned when talking about the fight. I was surprised to hear that interview with Jenna.I really think they thought Floyd could KO Manny lol.


-stormcentre :

Uncle Roger sounded with a displeased toned when talking about the fight. I was surprised to hear that interview with Jenna.I really think they thought Floyd could KO Manny lol.
Yep, those stupid people that think and/or thought Floyd could KO Manny. Laughing Out Loud at them eh? Well #1 PacFan, if I remember rightly, from your "I have done some homework" or another similarly quality post from around the same time; you your good reliable #1 PacFan self actually predicted that Floyd could/would win -
even by KO. Have a look below. [QUOTE=#1 PacFan;80731]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20876-I-have-2-scenarios-for-Pac-winning-the-fight-and-1-for-Floyd&p=80731&viewfull=1#post80731 Scenario 1: Manny winning by MD. This begins with a question as to who will be the aggressor. I just don't see Floyd as the aggressor because after 47 straight wins you just don't change your style over night. He's talented boxer with craft and technique like no other. So I expect him to be discipline and try to outbox Manny in the fight. Now we all know Manny is all about the fans that being said he will do anything in his power to make it an exciting fight even if it takes him chasing Floyd out of the ring. Before anything my big concern is, can Manny take Floyd's punches? I think so as reports are already out that Floyd had issues with his hands during sparring. Floyd has always had a history of having problems with his hands during fight night. Fortunately for him xylocaine is legal in the sport. Now I'm not saying Floyd has little power I'm predicting he will have issues once he hits Manny with the right hand in the wrong spot. I see this scenario as Manny just backing Floyd up eating a lot of straight lefts. Floyd will be in survival mode after the 6th round and Manny will win the rounds with pure aggression and volume punching. Manny wins by MD close but all judges have Manny winning. Scenario 2: Manny by 9th round stoppage. I strongly believe this scenario is more likely than the first one. Like my previous scenario I still see Manny will engage Floyd first. If you watch all of Floyd's fights he tends to always start slow and gives his opponents the early rounds. Floyd will regret this if I'm right as Manny will steal the rounds the first five to be exact. Then we will find out how good Floyd is adjusting while behind 5 rounds in the scorecards. Will he stick to the plan to keep trying to box Manny to go after him? Which is out of his comfort zone. The other day on ESPN I saw Hopkins saying the same thing as this scenario. I believe Manny will win those early rounds and Manny will be in for a treat as Floyd will be going after Manny to try and turn the tides. And like I've said over and over Manny will never let a fighter walk him down. Doing this will play into Manny's game plan. Manny more than often wins in exchanges if the fight breaks out. Manny wins by 9th round stoppage as Bayless won't let Floyd take anymore punishment.
Scenario 1: Floyd by KO. This scenario I think will get a lot of you scratching your heads. I just don't see Floyd outboxing Manny throughout the fight. Manny just doesn't let you do that and if you do you pay a price. Floyd has never been in enough wars to have the experience to prevail. Manny will just keep coming until....you knock him out. That brings me back to the question, can Manny take Floyd's punches? Its no surprised that Manny will get hit and clean as well. Floyd will have the counter right hand while Manny jumps in with his right jab. I've never liked his jab because he is always open for the counter without his gloves up. But Floyd's key punch is the left hook. Its a killer punch and I believe it will be the punch to end it if Floyd executes it right. Its there if he is pushed against the ropes. Sad to say Floyd by KO in the mid rounds.[/QUOTE] DonkeyWonderland is real folks. :) :) :) Go on, shoot the messenger
Storm over that one.


-Brad :

Yep, those stupid people that think and/or thought Floyd could KO Manny. Laughing Out Loud at them eh? Well #1 PacFan, if I remember rightly, from your "I have done some homework" or another similarly quality post from around the same time; you your good reliable #1 PacFan self actually predicted that Floyd could/would win -
even by KO. Have a look below. DonkeyWonderland is real folks. :) :) :) Go on, shoot the messenger
Storm over that one.
God are you ever a repetitious,uninteresting person. Go away. You kill all the good energy of this this forum.


-Radam G :

Uncle Roger sounded with a displeased toned when talking about the fight. I was surprised to hear that interview with Jenna.I really think they thought Floyd could KO Manny lol.
That is the way real boxers and trainers flow. It is all about da real real, not staging a fake-arse cyberspace show. Those who are in da game for real want you to know. They don't need to fake this and than on da down low. Ev'ybodee and dey momma in da real loop of the real poop have da shonuff scoop. Uncle Roger said that he knew both pugs were hurt. And that they should do it again. Forget those who love to spread dirt. This is the wrong gig. They need to find somewhere else to dig. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

Yep, those stupid people that think and/or thought Floyd could KO Manny. Laughing Out Loud at them eh? Well #1 PacFan, if I remember rightly, from your "I have done some homework" or another similarly quality post from around the same time; you your good reliable #1 PacFan self actually predicted that Floyd could/would win -
even by KO. Have a look below. DonkeyWonderland is real folks. :) :) :) Go on, shoot the messenger
Storm over that one.
Those are the scenarios I predicted and I was wrong. Both guys didn't do what both promised us. Floyd camp saw.Floyd walking Manny down and Team PAC wanted a high work rate. Those scenarios would have been spot on if one of the two did what they promised. I really believed Floyd was going to bring it and Manny was goingto outwork FLloyd to give himself a chance to win by decision.


-#1 PacFan :

Yep, those stupid people that think and/or thought Floyd could KO Manny. Laughing Out Loud at them eh? Well #1 PacFan, if I remember rightly, from your "I have done some homework" or another similarly quality post from around the same time; you your good reliable #1 PacFan self actually predicted that Floyd could/would win -
even by KO. Have a look below. DonkeyWonderland is real folks. :) :) :) Go on, shoot the messenger
Storm over that one.
Manny threw less if the not the same amount of punches as Floyd which is the reason why he got outboxed. Who saw Manny throwing less than 500 punches in 12 rounds?


-Froggy :

Manny threw less if the not the same amount of punches as Floyd which is the reason why he got outboxed. Who saw Manny throwing less than 500 punches in 12 rounds?
Nobody would have guessed he would throw less than 700 punches over 12 rounds !


-#1 PacFan :

Nobody would have guessed he would throw less than 700 punches over 12 rounds !
Right! Volume punching is his game and gives him the best chance to win rounds.


-#1 PacFan :

God are you ever a repetitious,uninteresting person. Go away. You kill all the good energy of this this forum.
I don't know but I'm starting to wonder if this guy has a life outside this forum.


-Brad :

I don't know or care..but he just keeps sucking the life out of this forum with his long-winded replies that hijack ever thread. Like Floyd, he needs to go away for the overall good.


-amayseng :

I don't know or care..but he just keeps sucking the life out of this forum with his long-winded replies that hijack ever thread. Like Floyd, he needs to go away for the overall good.
Agreed he offers nothing but negativity. I blocked him months ago and am better for it.


-amayseng :

I don't know but I'm starting to wonder if this guy has a life outside this forum.
It's not even that it is that he has destroyed the positive energy and flow of this wonderful forum. It is a joy kill


-Froggy :

Agreed he offers nothing but negativity. I blocked him months ago and am better for it.
Can you substantiate that ?


-Radam G :

Can you substantiate that ?
Hehehehehehehe! Good one! You got jokes! Holla!


-stormcentre :

I see you boys are back to what you do best. Talking rubbish, and patting yourself one the back for doing so. You know me, I cold never talk the positive and consistent stuff that you all do; then run from. Keep up the brilliant work girls and PacQueens. :)


-stormcentre :

Can you substantiate that ?
If I could would you understand it, acknowledge it, and not run from it Frog? :)


-stormcentre :

Agreed he offers nothing but negativity. I blocked him months ago and am better for it.
Yep, nothing but negativity from me folks. And, nothing but positive FloydHate from AmaysengPlaytheng . . . see . . . . [QUOTE=AmaysengPlaytheng;69323]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?18257-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-you-should-be-embarrassed!!&p=69323&viewfull=1#post69323 First Take today on ESPN 2 today talking about Floyd ducking Pac (
Wrong). Skip Bayless states he thinks Floyd does not believe he can beat Pac and will never take the fight (
Wrong). Stephen A Smith admits that Floyd Sr states that he doesn't think his own son knows that he would beat Pac (
Wrong). Big day today for boxing as we need to get the sport back to being mainstream, however Floyd is holding up the sport in more ways than one. (
Wrong) [/QUOTE] Oh, one more small item. We have already discovered that AmaysengPlaytheng actually did not block me when he originally claimed he did. Still, what's a little lie amongst PacQueens eh? Keep up the good, lying, and bullying work PacQueens. What's next. We in fits of laughter over here at how none of yet have proven any of your claims and are still crying and making PacLossExcuses over PacFraud's loss to Floyd. Hey, I know, this is a good idea. How about yawl get together and try and bully me into not writing truthful posts? Or, instead you could all tell the truth? We won't be holding our breath on which decision is made there. :) :) Pac is going to KO Floyd - he is. Moonlight makes my hair grow back - it does. Shifting goalposts saves me from a real Pernell V Floyd comparison - it does And . . laying with PacQueens impregnates you with the inability to treat fact as yawl do fiction. :)


-stormcentre :

God are you ever a repetitious,uninteresting person. Go away. You kill all the good energy of this this forum.
Thanks Brad. I appreciate your views. Unlike me; you're thrilling, interesting, and valuable. Sorry to destroy the forum and your experience for you, and show how PacQueen claims are separate from fact. Anyway, 80% of the other threads I have not and probably will not touch; so you should be fine. :)


-stormcentre :

Can you substantiate that ?
If I could would you promise to; understand it, acknowledge it, and not run from it Frog? :)


-stormcentre :

God are you ever a repetitious,uninteresting person. Go away. You kill all the good energy of this this forum.
Thanks Brad. I appreciate your views. Unlike me; you're thrilling, interesting, and valuable. For some reason - I don't know why - I thought I could come here and just say/do whatever and no-one would ever question me, complain and ask why? Silly me; I thought the same rules as that which applies to others would apply to me, and just to make sure I also wrote some other threads about boxing that several other real boxing writers even were impressed with; not bad for an uninteresting person eh? I even get support emails mainly from fans, and am reliably advised that I am the only forum member to regularly do that. But, hey, I know only too well how hypocrisy and group mentality works, and as such there is just no way that little old, uninteresting, and lonesome self, me, could ever be right in the face of your claims, and also the entire PacQueenMovement's logic. Because then most of you would be wrong, and the PacQueen majority can never be wrong; even though it runs from all it's claims and offers to explain. No need to question that though is there Brad? Silly me, there I go again expecting you to use that high powered perception of yours in an evenhanded way. Naughty truth/fact loving StormCentre; no wonder he's so unpopular amongst the PacQueen brigade. :) Anyway, sorry to destroy the forum and your experience for you, and show how PacQueen claims are separate from fact. Anyway, if it's any consolation, currently 80% of the other threads I have not and probably will not touch; so you should be fine. Finally, my current activity on this matter has not yet scaled 20% of the PacQueen rubbish we were fed pre MayPac; so there's some facts and medicine for you. Enjoy it and use it wisely won't you? :)


-Froggy :

[QUOTE=stormcentre;82646]If I could would you promise to; understand it, acknowledge it, and not run from it Frog? :)I wouldn't even promise to read it !


-Brad :

"naughty truth/fact loving StormCentre".......my god now you're referring to yourself in the third person. And also posting the percentages of threads you're on?!! You obviously take yourself far too seriously to move on. So drone on about the "facts" of boxing and keep up the name calling. I got a feeling you need this place more than anyone else.


-stormcentre :

"naughty truth/fact loving StormCentre".......my god now you're referring to yourself in the third person. And also posting the percentages of threads you're on?!! You obviously take yourself far too seriously to move on. So drone on about the "facts" of boxing and keep up the name calling. I got a feeling you need this place more than anyone else.


You are so right Brad. Well I thought since you have; Donkeys, Burning men on bicycles, R2D2, AmaysengPlaytheng, "Christine", and all myriad of other DonkeyWonderland inhabitants on board (that you have no issue with); a 3rd person
StormCentre and some percentage facts (naughty word I know) would be no issue for your evenhanded self. Man you're a clever boy; you have me all worked out. You have me with my back up against the wall. Look, I have been giving this some thought (cause you're so inspirational and correct) and I want to be able to fit in and be inconsistent PacQueen hypocrites like you guys - just saying stuff without regard for the truth and barking at the moon for the sake of it; I know it's important. I want to feel the group therapy love and know what it is like to remotely via the InterPacQueenWeb pat each other on the back and aimlessly cheer, at the biggest lies and bullying tactic. So, I got thinking . . . . what would Bradelina do? How can I fit in more? How about if I lie a lot and run from my claims; will you like me more then? What if I also promise to never expect anyone to follow through with their offers to substantiate? Also, I will try to feel proud about having a Donkey leader that has his own E&HHoF but can't show up for any of the ceremonies for fear people may ask him about his claims? What if, also, I - as "Christine" has done - also promise to not ever do anything that could show how others can't back their claims up; whilst at the same time anyone that dares question us - I will write rampantly inaccurate posts about in an attempt to get everyone to rally around the evil truth seeker and have him banned? If that's not good enough try the tissues. I love you Brad. You are my inspiration. :) :)


-Yogo :

I've read this forum for years and always considered it the best out there, one of the reasons being the lack of personal insults and name calling. Recently it's gone to ****. I don't read all of Stormcentre's posts because i just don't have the time nor the want really. But If i was his pal i would be a little bit concerned about him though, something seems a bit 'off' in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.


-Brad :



You are so right Brad. Well I thought since you have; Donkeys, Burning men on bicycles, R2D2, AmaysengPlaytheng, "Christine", and all myriad of other DonkeyWonderland inhabitants on board (that you have no issue with); a 3rd person
StormCentre and some percentage facts (naughty word I know) would be no issue for your evenhanded self. Man you're a clever boy; you have me all worked out. You have me with my back up against the wall. Look, I have been giving this some thought (cause you're so inspirational and correct) and I want to be able to fit in and be inconsistent PacQueen hypocrites like you guys - just saying stuff without regard for the truth and barking at the moon for the sake of it; I know it's important. I want to feel the group therapy love and know what it is like to remotely via the InterPacQueenWeb pat each other on the back and aimlessly cheer, at the biggest lies and bullying tactic. So, I got thinking . . . . what would Bradelina do? How can I fit in more? How about if I lie a lot and run from my claims; will you like me more then? What if I also promise to never expect anyone to follow through with their offers to substantiate? Also, I will try to feel proud about having a Donkey leader that has his own E&HHoF but can't show up for any of the ceremonies for fear people may ask him about his claims? What if, also, I - as "Christine" has done - also promise to not ever do anything that could show how others can't back their claims up; whilst at the same time anyone that dares question us - I will write rampantly inaccurate posts about in an attempt to get everyone to rally around the evil truth seeker and have him banned? If that's not good enough try the tissues. I love you Brad. You are my inspiration. :) :)
again, this post is more evidence that you "need" a place to bloviate. Certainly more than I do. I'm out. I'm heading over to some mates house to watch the F1 qualifying. Have fun correcting "inaccurate" posts. Cheers.


-Chris L :

He ignores 80% of posts because he only comments on the ones about Mayweather.


-stormcentre :

I've read this forum for years and always considered it the best out there, one of the reasons being the lack of personal insults and name calling. Recently it's gone to ****. I don't read all of Stormcentre's posts because i just don't have the time nor the want really. But If i was his pal i would be a little bit concerned about him though, something seems a bit 'off' in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
You're right Yogo, I have either; 1) Lost my mind. 2) Decided to show a select few around here what it is like to eat their own medicine. Choose whatever of the above you want. 1 will make you more PacQueen popular. Either way; don't matter to me.


-stormcentre :

He ignores 80% of posts because he only comments on the ones about Mayweather.
Wrong again.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&highlight=significant+origin You done anything like that to contribute recently? :) Hey, "Christine" also . . look here . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82656&viewfull=1#post82656 Aint that sumfing? Keep it coming PacQueens. This stuff is easy work, great, fun, and most of all; it's really, really funny watching you guys (ignore your own antics, and) consistently resorting to exaggerations and untruths in an effort to bully and be right. I wonder, at what point will it become obvious that the need to (almost every time) resort to such tactics, pretend, and lie; in itself tells you all you need to know about the substance of what you're doing. Try the truth, thinking, reading, and not selectively forgetting; it's always easier. :)


-#1 PacFan :

I've read this forum for years and always considered it the best out there, one of the reasons being the lack of personal insults and name calling. Recently it's gone to ****. I don't read all of Stormcentre's posts because i just don't have the time nor the want really. But If i was his pal i would be a little bit concerned about him though, something seems a bit 'off' in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
He's making this forum like all the other ones where all they like to do is name call. I won't lie I was off my game after the FIGHT but its he who triggered my tantrum because he didn't recognize I manned up and gave Floyd props. I think it was like he wanted me to convert maybe who knows. So after my uncalled for actions I decided to take the time off then I come back weeks later he attacks my posts I'm like wth. Maybe its because the public isn't happy with Floyd which is why he is still bitter.


-stormcentre :

He ignores 80% of posts because he only comments on the ones about Mayweather.
Wrong again.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&highlight=significant+origin You done anything like that to contribute recently? :) Hey, "Christine" also . . look here . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82661&viewfull=1#post82661 Aint that sumfing? Keep it coming PacQueens. This stuff is easy work, great, fun, and most of all; it's really, really funny watching you guys (ignore your own antics, and) consistently resorting to exaggerations and untruths in an effort to bully and be right. I wonder, at what point will it become obvious that the need to (almost every time) resort to such tactics, pretend, and lie; in itself tells you all you need to know about the substance of what you're doing. Try the truth, thinking, reading, and not selectively forgetting; it's always easier. :) @ Brad; this is real fun. Go over here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82661&viewfull=1#post82661 Another PacQueen (example and) azz whipping has just gone down. Love it !!!! :)


-stormcentre :

He's making this forum like all the other ones where all they like to do is name call.
I won't lie I was off my game after the FIGHT but its he who triggered my tantrum because he didn't recognize I manned up and gave Floyd props. I think it was like he wanted me to convert maybe who knows. So after my uncalled for actions I decided to take the time off then I come back weeks later he attacks my posts I'm like wth. Maybe its because the public isn't happy with Floyd which is why he is still bitter.
"You wont lie" . . . . . eh? Love it !!! I am not touching that one. Don't worry #1 PacQueen, what you're all getting now is just a small portion of what you all collectively dished out for years; but selectively forgotten. Many of you have grouped up and run other posters off this site for having views that you don't agree with. Or are you like "Christine", and have (selectively) forgot that? Give Donkey a call, he has his Archives and other sources backing him up 100%; honest - said so himself !!!! His Archives should show you the evil wicked truth. The only difference here, with
StormCentre, is that you can't collectively or individually bully me around; whether or not the attempts are with claims you all run from. Enjoy that medicine now won't you; you should, you all home baked it. For your other problems; here, try these.

:) :) :)


-#1 PacFan :

Wrong again.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?12265-One-Significant-Technical-Origin-Of-GGG-s-Power&highlight=significant+origin You done anything like that to contribute recently? :) Hey, "Christine" also . . look here . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82661&viewfull=1#post82661 Aint that sumfing? Keep it coming PacQueens. This stuff is easy work, great, fun, and most of all; it's really, really funny watching you guys (ignore your own antics, and) consistently resorting to exaggerations and untruths in an effort to bully and be right. I wonder, at what point will it become obvious that the need to (almost every time) resort to such tactics, pretend, and lie; in itself tells you all you need to know about the substance of what you're doing. Try the truth, thinking, reading, and not selectively forgetting; it's always easier. :) @ Brad; this is real fun. Go over here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82661&viewfull=1#post82661 Another PacQueen (example and) azz whipping has just gone down. Love it !!!! :)
You should have been a detective or a lawyer storm. I see you have talents at gathering information and evidence. But be careful because this talent of yours just might be your downfall.


-Chris L :


Just in case anyone misses the other thread, you can see Storm failing to substantiate here:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82664&viewfull=1#post82664 @ Post #113 in this thread, are you actually kidding? You wrote that in 2013 and am asking me have I done anything like that
recently? I can't even contemplate how anybody could be so blatantly incorrect and still try and pretend they are right.


-#1 PacFan :

"You wont lie" . . . . . eh? Love it !!! I am not touching that one. Don't worry #1 PacQueen, what you're all getting now is just a small portion of what you all collectively dished out for years; but selectively forgotten. Many of you have grouped up and run other posters off this site for having views that you don't agree with. Or are you like "Christine", and have (selectively) forgot that? Give Donkey a call, he has his Archives and other sources backing him up 100%; honest - said so himself !!!! His Archives should show you the evil wicked truth. The only difference here, with
StormCentre, is that you can't collectively or individually bully me around; whether or not the attempts are with claims you all run from. Enjoy that medicine now won't you; you should, you all home baked it. For your other problems; here, try these.

:) :) :)
Storm, I think you're getting a little twisted in the head man haha. For as long as I've been here I have never seen any bullying haha. I suggest you seek help for real man. This place has really caught up to you .


-amayseng :

Wow I just got the memo this guy is calling people names, myself included. Not like calling someone an idiot for acting like one but that he has special degrading names for a few of us, like a bully would do. Wow what a tough guy to bully others across the internet. Especially one that is superior to his peers (which he is not) truly shows what a low life he is for trying to bully people, adults at that! It only takes one to ruin something great like this forum as he has. Congratulations Storm u are and absolute POS, I'd pay money for u to call me names to my face.


-stormcentre :

#1 PacQueen pay attention to AmayengPlaytheng's last post. What you claim is not in existence, seems as if it is. Another PacQueen inaccurate claim. :) @ AmayengPlaytheng, I did ask you about a Las Vegas meet up, and you were not interested. You have to be careful with me, as I know your a really tough guy. Whereas I have nowhere near your boxing ability; so you're scaring me. Particularly if your fighting ability is as good as your posting consistency and reliability. Still, love laughing at you. :) :)


-Chris L :

Wow I just got the memo this guy is calling people names, myself included. Not like calling someone an idiot for acting like one but that he has special degrading names for a few of us, like a bully would do. Wow what a tough guy to bully others across the internet. Especially one that is superior to his peers (which he is not) truly shows what a low life he is for trying to bully people, adults at that! It only takes one to ruin something great like this forum as he has. Congratulations Storm u are and absolute POS, I'd pay money for u to call me names to my face.
It's ok; he just lost
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82664&viewfull=1#post82664


-#1 PacFan :

#1 PacQueen pay attention to AmayengPlaytheng's last post. What you claim is not in existence, seems as if it is. Another PacQueen inaccurate claim. :) @ AmayengPlaytheng, I did ask you about a Las Vegas meet up, and you were not interested. You have to be careful with me, as I know your a really tough guy. Whereas I have nowhere near your boxing ability; so you're scaring me. Particularly if your fighting ability is as good as your posting consistency and reliability. Still, love laughing at you. :) :)
Ahhh Mr. Tough Guy! LMAO! In the past I would stoop to your level but see I'm not that person anymore.


-#1 PacFan :

Wow I just got the memo this guy is calling people names, myself included. Not like calling someone an idiot for acting like one but that he has special degrading names for a few of us, like a bully would do. Wow what a tough guy to bully others across the internet. Especially one that is superior to his peers (which he is not) truly shows what a low life he is for trying to bully people, adults at that! It only takes one to ruin something great like this forum as he has. Congratulations Storm u are and absolute POS, I'd pay money for u to call me names to my face.
Feels like I'm reading comments from boxingscene when I read some of his posts.That's why I left from there.


-#1 PacFan :

#1 PacQueen pay attention to AmayengPlaytheng's last post. What you claim is not in existence, seems as if it is. Another PacQueen inaccurate claim. :) @ AmayengPlaytheng, I did ask you about a Las Vegas meet up, and you were not interested. You have to be careful with me, as I know your a really tough guy. Whereas I have nowhere near your boxing ability; so you're scaring me. Particularly if your fighting ability is as good as your posting consistency and reliability. Still, love laughing at you. :) :)
What started the name calling Storm? Can you substantiate?


-The Shadow :

Wow I just got the memo this guy is calling people names, myself included. Not like calling someone an idiot for acting like one but that he has special degrading names for a few of us, like a bully would do. Wow what a tough guy to bully others across the internet. Especially one that is superior to his peers (which he is not) truly shows what a low life he is for trying to bully people, adults at that! It only takes one to ruin something great like this forum as he has. Congratulations Storm u are and absolute POS, I'd pay money for u to call me names to my face.
I don't think he "ruined" anything. The forum started going downhill when the negotiations for #MayPac became public. That's when tempers started to flare, things got personal and the quality of the discourse went to hell. That's what I think he's addressing. I personally didn't appreciate a lot of the things I had to put up with, being mocked and trolled, called a nuthugger, TMT etc etc just for stating facts, things that were later proven 100% correct. The forum started declining drastically right around the time I put up a thread that said that Mayweather wanted to fight Pacquiao desperately. Not saying I was instrumental in it, but that's when that whole issue started to dominate everything. And to be fair, there has been lots and lots of irrational talks about this. But again, it's boxing, it's an emotional sport, so that's fine. But I think the quality went down starting then and I think you can see that in the quality of the discussions from the past six months and the participants in it.


-amayseng :

Shadow i gave you hell for saying Floyd was an all a sudden walk em down killer as he has never been at WW. You would have done the same if i said Pac was an all of a sudden superior tactician who was a defensive specialist. It was all in good debate whether emotional or not and disagreeing and debating is great but BULLYING by means of condescending others and using degrading names is disturbing and an adult man doing it is disgusting. Like i said id like for someone to treat me like that to my face, in front of my son at that so i could make it a life lesson. Sure i was never a fringe contender in the 80's but that doesn't mean i can't fight. I can promise u i was a superior athlete and still am today.. And yes this forum has been ruined by the ways of one. And any bully in any way is a POS.


-The Shadow :

Shadow i gave you hell for saying Floyd was an all a sudden walk em down killer as he has never been at WW. You would have done the same if i said Pac was an all of a sudden superior tactician who was a defensive specialist. It was all in good debate whether emotional or not and disagreeing and debating is great but BULLYING by means of condescending others and using degrading names is disturbing and an adult man doing it is disgusting. Like i said id like for someone to treat me like that to my face, in front of my son at that so i could make it a life lesson. Sure i was never a fringe contender in the 80's but that doesn't mean i can't fight. I can promise u i was a superior athlete and still am today.. And yes this forum has been ruined by the ways of one. And any bully in any way is a POS.
I wasn't referring to you per se. (There were many instances where it was obvious to me that someone had an ax to grind against me personally, especially from certain people. I even had people write me and ask me what that was about. After stating he wanted the fight and would win the fight, I was a nuthugger, TMT, Flomo, dirt of bottom of shoes, loser, Haymon groupie, groupie, fanboy etc. etc. But whatever, it's cool.) But I was really just stating the overall tone went downhill from there. And I don't doubt you were/are a tremendous athlete. I don't think it's worth fighting with a former pro boxer over, though. For the record, to clarify, he's not a walk-em-down, knock-em-out in the GGG mold. But when he wants (needs?) to, he will fight off the front foot with intelligent pressure and break guys down systematically by fatiguing them with body shots, diminishing their output before increasing his and ultimately pulling away. Guys like Mosley and Judah don't fight too well going backwards, which is why I think he made that tactical decision. And one of the biggest misconceptions about this match -- particularly from big media (literally), which really makes me doubt their knowledge -- was that they said this was a boxer vs. a pressure fighter. Huh? Pacquiao is not a pressure fighter. He's an in-and-out boxer-puncher with awkward, rapid movements. He has literally no inside game at all, maybe even less than Ali. He does his best work moving or when guys are stationary or coming forward. That's why Ricky Hatton signing to fight Pacquiao was literally a case of leading the lamb to slaughter.


-stormcentre :

What started the name calling Storm? Can you substantiate?
Hey #1 PacQueen, why don't you try treading the thread and learning for yourself first. Rather than just swooping in and putting your foot in your mouth as is usually the case. Then, and only when you state you won't run from substantiation (as Chris has), will I consider assisting your comprehension of "complex" matters. Also, how about pointing your tough guy comments towards "AmaysengPlaytheng". Or can't you be bothered to read and accept the posts that actually provide the "substantiation" you have obviously already skipped over; despite requesting. If you had read the posts within this thread that matter #1 PacQueen you would not need to ask me for substantiation; you would know the answer. But, in true PacQueen form; you have prioritised posting before thinking and checking. Awsum stuff, AmaysengPlaytheng will love you for that. You will be a popular PacQueen in the change rooms; for a while. Keep them clever posts coming #1 PacQueen. Out of the last 15 - 20 insulting and accusatory posts in this thread that have been aimed at me, very few of them have not included some inaccuracy. Now, given your above posts stoop too low claims; that's OK with you though eh? I mean your not a hypocrite on that matter are you? Let's keep going and see where this goes; it's fun. I wonder when you guys are going to be able to actually think about what you write, and ensure its reliable; whether or not they're insulting and accusatory posts. I mean, have any of you thought about that option? :) Cause if you have, I haven't seen it in your PacQueen and accusatory posts. Please show me how I a wrong here. Anyway, had any of you PacQueens actually thought (meaningfully I mean; not revengefully) about what you write, and ensured it was reliable; whether or not they're insulting and accusatory posts . . .. That would - after all - save the many issues you all have associated with constantly raising the PacFraudInjured shoulders/arms hands in the air and pretending to not know why you get replies you; run from, pretend you don't read, and don't like. Actually, come to think of it, that's probably why you guys don't think about what you write, and ensure its reliable So you can continue. Anyway, you may want to comfort your latest PacQueen member Chris right now. He is the latest PacQueen to take a whipping and leave both embarrassed and confused in his own back-peddling denial and idiocy. Over on the other thread (links provided above) he initially attempted (as you have above) call my bluff and asked for substantiation - it lead to a spectacular example of PacQueening and idiocy. Instead I actually pointed him to where he could find the substantiation, and also proof of PacQueening; R2D2's management of his claim that Floyd's rejection of the proposed 5M penalty was - according to R2D2 - not due to Floyd's interest in not limiting the positive MayPac PED penalty to only $5M. At the time - in typical PacQueen rush in and make a false claim then later run from it fashion - R2D2 had believed that Floyd's rejection of the proposed 5M penalty was a sign that Floyd had double standards and/or was concerned about his own tests. Even after R2D2 was presented with proof (that Arum himself didn't support R2D2's line of thought, and instead supported that Floyd's actions about rejecting the penalty were due to him not wanting to limit the penalty) he still continued in the same vein, again. So, R2D2 was the perfect place for Chris to go and; prove, receive his requested (and sometimes - when it suited - forgotten) substantiation, and to also learn about the issue he chose to (not check/read, but) beat his chest about. Naturally Chris galloped from that concept like a Donkey from a "yes I will accept your offer to explain" comment - and as you know that PacQueen happens all the time. Now, as you know, this is "the PacQueen way". It's the way that you all seem to pretend doesn't exist as you blow hard with mock surprise whenever
StormCentre exposes it. Naughty
StormCentre. He must be a FloydLover eh? Yes let's call him that - even though he has stated otherwise and clearly is more interested in why the PacQueen brigade is hypocritical and not accepting of their own medicine, than anything else - so that we have PacQueen numbers; by modelling the threat as a PacExposeHate threat. (
SecretDonkeyMagicNote: PacQueens take a break here as this post has truth, fact and length, and I know that makes you cry). Anyway, then Chris pretended to not understand/receive the substantiation he requested; surely because to acknowledge and act upon it, not only involved highlighting another R2D2 PacQueen moment - but also showed the substance in Chris' claims that themselves answer the very question above you have asked for substantiation of. Funny that eh #1 PacQueen; as it means you too didn't read/check before your last curious post!! Perhaps it because you PacQueen like to attack rather than check? It's OK, as that's a PacQueenPrevalent issue; as you know. Perhaps that's also why fact,
StormCentre and "stantiation" are the evil wicked enemy. Anyway, when Chris pretending to not understand/receive the substantiation he requested dismally failed (once he was shown his own post requesting the substantiation) to achieve it's misdirect objective, he then pretended he had no need to ask anyone else (like R2D2) for the proof he himself requested. As you can see Chris - even at this early and blundering stage - has shown he will make an exemplary PacQueen; and that's without even considering all the errors in his recently above posts. So, it was at that point that the concept of of holding
StormCentre totally responsible for Chris' actual "acceptance" of the substantiation; rather than the provision of it, was born. And when you PacQueen think of it, that's not a bad ploy for those whom fear substantiation as much as Chris did though; whether they request it or not. Bear in mind too that this was all after Chris' spectacular and blundering above post (that you clearly have not read; otherwise you would not need to call my buff about substantiation as you have above) in which the name calling in relation to this matter started; itself a ragingly stupid and inaccurate post based on a whole raft of claims that Chris got - woefully - wrong. So, on the back of that, we have the PacQueen Chris saga that I am now describing to you. Clearly, such spectacular blunders and (as you say) "low stoops" on Chris' part formed absolutely no reason for him to check facts and/or think about the next set of posts he created where he - just as you PacQueen have - failed to call my bluff with a substantiation request; as he waded right in with foot in mouth. True PacQueen style Now, all these oversights are not - unless you are concerned about how low you stoop that is - that bad. Certainly not - as you know - in a PacQueen sense eh? In most people's sense though, and not just because it's easier to check your facts first, before placing foot in mouth, the oversights are bad. And that's not just because the oversights echo of thundering idiocy and hypocriticism. But, hey, since this is fun running rings around Donkeys, Forum Bullies, Queens, and Clowns, let's PacQueen ignore that and stay on
StormCentre's case eh? He's the baddie here isn't he? Anyway, then the Shadow (you know the guy that many a PacQueen has bullied) offered a long post to assist Chris understand why all the things he asked for but then ran from where so. Chris was (strangely, then) not concerned about long posts. That issue had left him, no doubt when his memory about requesting substantiation had also miraculously left. Now, check this . . . this is the real kicker and PacQueen laugh . . . But despite receiving direction from me about how Chris could resolve his apparent need to substantiate (and Chris rejecting it), and despite Shadow's informative and accurate post; ultimately (and in true PacQueen form) Chris was not having it - as "it" would then mean all Chris' claims and accusations were therefore wrong, that he was a hypocrite (as he called others in these posts), and that he was exactly as he claimed others were. So, you can see what was PacQueen at stake for him and perhaps also other Queens; exposure and acceptance of the truth. All this time Chris did not bother to ask R2D2 for the facts, and (PacQueen/naturally) R2D2 did not offer the facts either. No surprises there is there? God this is hilarious. Can't understand why you cats have a Donkey as your leader. So, as the walls (of truth and hypocrisy) started to close in on Chris (and remember this was his fist big PacQueen stand; so he wanted to impress you Queens), he didn't wan't to be wrong. Particularly since he (like you above) called the
StormCentre out on a matter of substantiation, and (like you above) was wrong. It was about this time that Chris started to come out with the "I didn't read all that post even though it directly relates to mine and my extreme and accusatory claims", excuse. It was all OK with me though, as I had experience with this from Donkey, you, and the entire PacQueen movement; as it is their mainstay of their operation. Open mouth, let claim(s) out, announce preparation to back claim up in chest beating manner - then run from request to explain, misdirect, bully, and both gather numbers and rely on other PacQueens support and PacQueenAddictive not thinking/checking. Clearly, at that stage, Chris knew (because the facts were getting harder to ignore) that it was going to be good insurance for him to pretend to not understand and not be able to access the understanding and substantiation (he requested) - that is, in addition to him also concurrently pretending to not reading posts and not remembering his own posts/claims; that would have taken him back to the requests for substantiation and substantiation itself. So, you could say the Donkey Drops were everywhere. Chris' urgent need to distance himself from the requested substantiation (now that it arrived) was in fact a similar situation to when R2D2 recently shifted goalposts on the Pernell V Floyd comparison (offering the worst compilation video of Floyd and the best of Pernell; itself showing how much R2D2 himself really believed in his own claims and causes) at the 11th hour (which itself, is also PacQueen strangely similar to when PacFraud NSAC form bungled on the 11th hour). Actually, R2D2's recently shifted goalposts on the Pernell V Floyd comparison was itself also significant to your request for substantiation too. You see the posts in relation to that and R2D2's suggestion for a Pernell V Floyd comparison were completely missed by Chris as he blundered his initial post that not only answers your substantiation questions - but also reveals how common it PacQueen is to; rush in, open mouth, let claim(s) out, accuse, beat chest - then run from requests to explain, misdirect, bully, and both gather numbers and rely on other PacQueens support and PacQueenAddictive not thinking/checking. Had Chris just checked R2D2's post in question that he was actually referring his post to (which answers your request to substantiate as much as it proves you don't check before posting either); Chris would have not made such a fool of himself - which is turn where the PacQueening about Floyd's penalty rejection, and of course the call for substantiation (that Chris actually ran from), actually came from. See the PacQueen issue lifecycle? At its heart is an inability to read, check, learn, think, and accept - whether it be an acceptance of substantiation or not - and whether that substantiation was itself requested by the very PacQueen that runs from it or not. Incredible analysis eh? No doubt this post will, also, be too long (truthful?) for most PacQueens. Of course, it is not unusual to see the PacQueen brigade run when their own claims start to fall apart and are laid bare at the feet of, and in complete contrast, to all the vehement hot air that originally produced them. So, in that sense I was prepared for all this. Donkey's E&HHoF assisted me there. As did the general and obvious PacQueen previous acceptance of Donkey's E&HHoF performance; over checking, reading and the truth - itself an alarming consideration. Fast forward to when I - after it was clear that Chris was incapable and scared of going to R2D2 to get his substantiation request fulfilled, and that R2D2 would not oblige Chris (stay away from those facts boys) - magically summoned (like a Donkey spirit in the DonkeyWonderland spirit world) a "sprit" that actually provided the (evil wicked) evidence that, in turn, substantiated all that Chris had previously "forgot", "couldn't/didn't read", resisted, and had failed to acknowledge. Now, this is the part that is not only sensationally PacQueen gold and funny - but also redefines truth/fact denial perhaps even by PacQueen standards. Let me stop laughing . . . . OK, here goes . . . You see, because Chris (surprise, surprise) didn't actually understand the entire background issues to the matter at hand and that which he had (as above described) just blundered into and launched posts/claims about; he didn't know the implications of what the substantiation really were. All he knew was to resist and deny it. Aint that a scream? Now a PacQueen wouldn't do that would she? So, Chris then (in true PacQueen form) pretended the substantiation (that he didn't understand and had previously both avoided and "forgot" he had requested) was not really substantiation; further revealing a literacy, English, and comprehension issue - as the article in question actually more than proves the point at hand. Naturally that tactic was used to delay the onset of PacQueen hypocrisy and being PacQueen wrong, claiming he had not been substantiated to; despite him requesting it, it being provided to him, and it actually comprehensively revealing the truth. This denial of self requested substantiation then uncovered that Chris was strangely - and, of course, in no way related to his crusade to deny acceptance of fact and reality - "unable" to comprehend that an article supported that Floyd's rejection of a $5M penalty was due to the fact that Floyd didn't want to limit PacJuice to that penalty. This was even though the article's title itself was along the lines of; "Arum: Mayweather was right" and included text that confirmed Arum's complete acceptance that Floyd rejected the 5M penalty because it would limit the penalty to less than what would otherwise apply . . . driving to the root cause of Chris' initial request to substantiate This didn't stop Chris though. Oh no. He wanted a place in PacQueen history. So, in true PacQueen form Chris then progressed the DonkeyLogic further and comprehensively proved that he didn't read and understand his requested substantiation - just in the same way he previously pretended that he never asked for the substantiation and and (when initially provided to him) couldn't access it. This is pure PacQueen Gold. Your flawed substantiation requested and all it represents, could not be timed better; as it shows perfectly how/why you PacQueens always end up with ballerina skirt in the bush, pants down, deep in denial, running from your own claims, and resorting to group mentality and bullying; only to never learn and not only do it all again - but also attack those that are unlike you. So, now you too have your substantiation - just like Chris. My money says you run from and deny it just as he did; crying that "oh the posts (truths?) are too long" - all as you hide the inability to read about your actions when accurately relayed to you . Love it !!! Anyway (if you can keep up) this, your above oversights/posts, how many above posts from PacQueens that are just plain incorrect (have a good look) but still accusatory, how PacQueens can't even tell the truth about when they supposedly block others and/or claim to not read a post (as they spur others to do the {fake} same); perfectly highlights the entire PacQueen movement and the bullying that goes on. As does how the PacQueen brigade seems to very conveniently forget all they said pre MayPac (that makes my posts more than justified); now that they are getting just a small amount of their own - but accurate and substantiated (if they don't run from it and can understand it) - medicine. This is why you dislike my posts. Because you know I know the truth. Keep it coming all PacQueens. I am enjoying both running rings around you all, and also the (now hundreds of) support emails I get; of which a sample of I have already above provided in earlier posts. Oh, you know that bullying post of AmaysengPlayheng's you overlooked above? You know the one just after your post that claimed to not know of any bullying; where AmaysengPlayheng said I should not stand near him - inferring violence? Well . . .how about this . . . since you're all real close and that . . . Since AmaysengPlayheng is pretending he doesn't read my posts (lie) and has allegedly blocked me (lie); please, can you, let him know (for me) - in the most friendly way - I will be in LA later in the year. I would welcome an 8 round workout; no less though. That way he can show me his (legal) boxing skills. I would welcome the opportunity to learn from him, and perhaps even show him a thing or too. Now you have fun with your PacQueen girls won't you? While your at it; please let me know when you guys can read all your own posts, and construct 5 posts without including inaccuracies and claims you run from too. And, please also let me know how you go with those substantiation requests won't you? Enjoy them. ""Oh my God the forum is falling apart, this
StormCentre guy, the substantiation we request, and the truth in it that's provided, is just too much!!!! "


-deepwater2 :

Shadow I said we should spar under supervision since you were training for a national championship.I hope your not referring to me about that fighting nonsense


-#1 PacFan :

Hey #1 PacQueen, why don't you try treading the thread and learning for yourself first. Rather than just swooping in and putting your foot in your mouth as is usually the case. Then, and only when you state you won't run from substantiation (as Chris has), will I consider assisting your comprehension of "complex" matters. Also, how about pointing your tough guy comments towards "AmaysengPlaytheng". Or can't you be bothered to read and accept the posts that actually provide the "substantiation" you have obviously already skipped over; despite requesting. If you had read the posts within this thread that matter #1 PacQueen you would not need to ask me for substantiation; you would know the answer. But, in true PacQueen form; you have prioritised posting before thinking and checking. Awsum stuff, AmaysengPlaytheng will love you for that. You will be a popular PacQueen in the change rooms; for a while. Keep them clever posts coming #1 PacQueen. Out of the last 15 - 20 insulting and accusatory posts in this thread that have been aimed at me, very few of them have not included some inaccuracy. Now, given your above posts stoop too low claims; that's OK with you though eh? I mean your not a hypocrite on that matter are you? Let's keep going and see where this goes; it's fun. I wonder when you guys are going to be able to actually think about what you write, and ensure its reliable; whether or not they're insulting and accusatory posts. I mean, have any of you thought about that option? :) Cause if you have, I haven't seen it in your PacQueen and accusatory posts. Please show me how I a wrong here. Anyway, had any of you PacQueens actually thought (meaningfully I mean; not revengefully) about what you write, and ensured it was reliable; whether or not they're insulting and accusatory posts . . .. That would - after all - save the many issues you all have associated with constantly raising the PacFraudInjured shoulders/arms hands in the air and pretending to not know why you get replies you; run from, pretend you don't read, and don't like. Actually, come to think of it, that's probably why you guys don't think about what you write, and ensure its reliable So you can continue. Anyway, you may want to comfort your latest PacQueen member Chris right now. He is the latest PacQueen to take a whipping and leave both embarrassed and confused in his own back-peddling denial and idiocy. Over on the other thread (links provided above) he initially attempted (as you have above) call my bluff and asked for substantiation - it lead to a spectacular example of PacQueening and idiocy. Instead I actually pointed him to where he could find the substantiation, and also proof of PacQueening; R2D2's management of his claim that Floyd's rejection of the proposed 5M penalty was - according to R2D2 - not due to Floyd's interest in not limiting the positive MayPac PED penalty to only $5M. At the time - in typical PacQueen rush in and make a false claim then later run from it fashion - R2D2 had believed that Floyd's rejection of the proposed 5M penalty was a sign that Floyd had double standards and/or was concerned about his own tests. Even after R2D2 was presented with proof (that Arum himself didn't support R2D2's line of thought, and instead supported that Floyd's actions about rejecting the penalty were due to him not wanting to limit the penalty) he still continued in the same vein, again. So, R2D2 was the perfect place for Chris to go and; prove, receive his requested (and sometimes - when it suited - forgotten) substantiation, and to also learn about the issue he chose to (not check/read, but) beat his chest about. Naturally Chris galloped from that concept like a Donkey from a "yes I will accept your offer to explain" comment - and as you know that PacQueen happens all the time. Now, as you know, this is "the PacQueen way". It's the way that you all seem to pretend doesn't exist as you blow hard with mock surprise whenever
StormCentre exposes it. Naughty
StormCentre. He must be a FloydLover eh? Yes let's call him that - even though he has stated otherwise and clearly is more interested in why the PacQueen brigade is hypocritical and not accepting of their own medicine, than anything else - so that we have PacQueen numbers; by modelling the threat as a PacExposeHate threat. (
SecretDonkeyMagicNote: PacQueens take a break here as this post has truth, fact and length, and I know that makes you cry). Anyway, then Chris pretended to not understand/receive the substantiation he requested; surely because to acknowledge and act upon it, not only involved highlighting another R2D2 PacQueen moment - but also showed the substance in Chris' claims that themselves answer the very question above you have asked for substantiation of. Funny that eh #1 PacQueen; as it means you too didn't read/check before your last curious post!! Perhaps it because you PacQueen like to attack rather than check? It's OK, as that's a PacQueenPrevalent issue; as you know. Perhaps that's also why fact,
StormCentre and "stantiation" are the evil wicked enemy. Anyway, when Chris pretending to not understand/receive the substantiation he requested dismally failed (once he was shown his own post requesting the substantiation) to achieve it's misdirect objective, he then pretended he had no need to ask anyone else (like R2D2) for the proof he himself requested. As you can see Chris - even at this early and blundering stage - has shown he will make an exemplary PacQueen; and that's without even considering all the errors in his recently above posts. So, it was at that point that the concept of of holding
StormCentre totally responsible for Chris' actual "acceptance" of the substantiation; rather than the provision of it, was born. And when you PacQueen think of it, that's not a bad ploy for those whom fear substantiation as much as Chris did though; whether they request it or not. Bear in mind too that this was all after Chris' spectacular and blundering above post (that you clearly have not read; otherwise you would not need to call my buff about substantiation as you have above) in which the name calling in relation to this matter started; itself a ragingly stupid and inaccurate post based on a whole raft of claims that Chris got - woefully - wrong. So, on the back of that, we have the PacQueen Chris saga that I am now describing to you. Clearly, such spectacular blunders and (as you say) "low stoops" on Chris' part formed absolutely no reason for him to check facts and/or think about the next set of posts he created where he - just as you PacQueen have - failed to call my bluff with a substantiation request; as he waded right in with foot in mouth. True PacQueen style Now, all these oversights are not - unless you are concerned about how low you stoop that is - that bad. Certainly not - as you know - in a PacQueen sense eh? In most people's sense though, and not just because it's easier to check your facts first, before placing foot in mouth, the oversights are bad. And that's not just because the oversights echo of thundering idiocy and hypocriticism. But, hey, since this is fun running rings around Donkeys, Forum Bullies, Queens, and Clowns, let's PacQueen ignore that and stay on
StormCentre's case eh? He's the baddie here isn't he? Anyway, then the Shadow (you know the guy that many a PacQueen has bullied) offered a long post to assist Chris understand why all the things he asked for but then ran from where so. Chris was (strangely, then) not concerned about long posts. That issue had left him, no doubt when his memory about requesting substantiation had also miraculously left. Now, check this . . . this is the real kicker and PacQueen laugh . . . But despite receiving direction from me about how Chris could resolve his apparent need to substantiate (and Chris rejecting it), and despite Shadow's informative and accurate post; ultimately (and in true PacQueen form) Chris was not having it - as "it" would then mean all Chris' claims and accusations were therefore wrong, that he was a hypocrite (as he called others in these posts), and that he was exactly as he claimed others were. So, you can see what was PacQueen at stake for him and perhaps also other Queens; exposure and acceptance of the truth. All this time Chris did not bother to ask R2D2 for the facts, and (PacQueen/naturally) R2D2 did not offer the facts either. No surprises there is there? God this is hilarious. Can't understand why you cats have a Donkey as your leader. So, as the walls (of truth and hypocrisy) started to close in on Chris (and remember this was his fist big PacQueen stand; so he wanted to impress you Queens), he didn't wan't to be wrong. Particularly since he (like you above) called the
StormCentre out on a matter of substantiation, and (like you above) was wrong. It was about this time that Chris started to come out with the "I didn't read all that post even though it directly relates to mine and my extreme and accusatory claims", excuse. It was all OK with me though, as I had experience with this from Donkey, you, and the entire PacQueen movement; as it is their mainstay of their operation. Open mouth, let claim(s) out, announce preparation to back claim up in chest beating manner - then run from request to explain, misdirect, bully, and both gather numbers and rely on other PacQueens support and PacQueenAddictive not thinking/checking. Clearly, at that stage, Chris knew (because the facts were getting harder to ignore) that it was going to be good insurance for him to pretend to not understand and not be able to access the understanding and substantiation (he requested) - that is, in addition to him also concurrently pretending to not reading posts and not remembering his own posts/claims; that would have taken him back to the requests for substantiation and substantiation itself. So, you could say the Donkey Drops were everywhere. Chris' urgent need to distance himself from the requested substantiation (now that it arrived) was in fact a similar situation to when R2D2 recently shifted goalposts on the Pernell V Floyd comparison (offering the worst compilation video of Floyd and the best of Pernell; itself showing how much R2D2 himself really believed in his own claims and causes) at the 11th hour (which itself, is also PacQueen strangely similar to when PacFraud NSAC form bungled on the 11th hour). Actually, R2D2's recently shifted goalposts on the Pernell V Floyd comparison was itself also significant to your request for substantiation too. You see the posts in relation to that and R2D2's suggestion for a Pernell V Floyd comparison were completely missed by Chris as he blundered his initial post that not only answers your substantiation questions - but also reveals how common it PacQueen is to; rush in, open mouth, let claim(s) out, accuse, beat chest - then run from requests to explain, misdirect, bully, and both gather numbers and rely on other PacQueens support and PacQueenAddictive not thinking/checking. Had Chris just checked R2D2's post in question that he was actually referring his post to (which answers your request to substantiate as much as it proves you don't check before posting either); Chris would have not made such a fool of himself - which is turn where the PacQueening about Floyd's penalty rejection, and of course the call for substantiation (that Chris actually ran from), actually came from. See the PacQueen issue lifecycle? At its heart is an inability to read, check, learn, think, and accept - whether it be an acceptance of substantiation or not - and whether that substantiation was itself requested by the very PacQueen that runs from it or not. Incredible analysis eh? No doubt this post will, also, be too long (truthful?) for most PacQueens. Of course, it is not unusual to see the PacQueen brigade run when their own claims start to fall apart and are laid bare at the feet of, and in complete contrast, to all the vehement hot air that originally produced them. So, in that sense I was prepared for all this. Donkey's E&HHoF assisted me there. As did the general and obvious PacQueen previous acceptance of Donkey's E&HHoF performance; over checking, reading and the truth - itself an alarming consideration. Fast forward to when I - after it was clear that Chris was incapable and scared of going to R2D2 to get his substantiation request fulfilled, and that R2D2 would not oblige Chris (stay away from those facts boys) - magically summoned (like a Donkey spirit in the DonkeyWonderland spirit world) a "sprit" that actually provided the (evil wicked) evidence that, in turn, substantiated all that Chris had previously "forgot", "couldn't/didn't read", resisted, and had failed to acknowledge. Now, this is the part that is not only sensationally PacQueen gold and funny - but also redefines truth/fact denial perhaps even by PacQueen standards. Let me stop laughing . . . . OK, here goes . . . You see, because Chris (surprise, surprise) didn't actually understand the entire background issues to the matter at hand and that which he had (as above described) just blundered into and launched posts/claims about; he didn't know the implications of what the substantiation really were. All he knew was to resist and deny it. Aint that a scream? Now a PacQueen wouldn't do that would she? So, Chris then (in true PacQueen form) pretended the substantiation (that he didn't understand and had previously both avoided and "forgot" he had requested) was not really substantiation; further revealing a literacy, English, and comprehension issue - as the article in question actually more than proves the point at hand. Naturally that tactic was used to delay the onset of PacQueen hypocrisy and being PacQueen wrong, claiming he had not been substantiated to; despite him requesting it, it being provided to him, and it actually comprehensively revealing the truth. This denial of self requested substantiation then uncovered that Chris was strangely - and, of course, in no way related to his crusade to deny acceptance of fact and reality - "unable" to comprehend that an article supported that Floyd's rejection of a $5M penalty was due to the fact that Floyd didn't want to limit PacJuice to that penalty. This was even though the article's title itself was along the lines of; "Arum: Mayweather was right" and included text that confirmed Arum's complete acceptance that Floyd rejected the 5M penalty because it would limit the penalty to less than what would otherwise apply . . . driving to the root cause of Chris' initial request to substantiate This didn't stop Chris though. Oh no. He wanted a place in PacQueen history. So, in true PacQueen form Chris then progressed the DonkeyLogic further and comprehensively proved that he didn't read and understand his requested substantiation - just in the same way he previously pretended that he never asked for the substantiation and and (when initially provided to him) couldn't access it. This is pure PacQueen Gold. Your flawed substantiation requested and all it represents, could not be timed better; as it shows perfectly how/why you PacQueens always end up with ballerina skirt in the bush, pants down, deep in denial, running from your own claims, and resorting to group mentality and bullying; only to never learn and not only do it all again - but also attack those that are unlike you. So, now you too have your substantiation - just like Chris. My money says you run from and deny it just as he did; crying that "oh the posts (truths?) are too long" - all as you hide the inability to read about your actions when accurately relayed to you . Love it !!! Anyway (if you can keep up) this, your above oversights/posts, how many above posts from PacQueens that are just plain incorrect (have a good look) but still accusatory, how PacQueens can't even tell the truth about when they supposedly block others and/or claim to not read a post (as they spur others to do the {fake} same); perfectly highlights the entire PacQueen movement and the bullying that goes on. As does how the PacQueen brigade seems to very conveniently forget all they said pre MayPac (that makes my posts more than justified); now that they are getting just a small amount of their own - but accurate and substantiated (if they don't run from it and can understand it) - medicine. This is why you dislike my posts. Because you know I know the truth. Keep it coming all PacQueens. I am enjoying both running rings around you all, and also the (now hundreds of) support emails I get; of which a sample of I have already above provided in earlier posts. Oh, you know that bullying post of AmaysengPlayheng's you overlooked above? You know the one just after your post that claimed to not know of any bullying; where AmaysengPlayheng said I should not stand near him - inferring violence? Well . . .how about this . . . since you're all real close and that . . . Since AmaysengPlayheng is pretending he doesn't read my posts (lie) and has allegedly blocked me (lie); please, can you, let him know (for me) - in the most friendly way - I will be in LA later in the year. I would welcome an 8 round workout; no less though. That way he can show me his (legal) boxing skills. I would welcome the opportunity to learn from him, and perhaps even show him a thing or too. Now you have fun with your PacQueen girls won't you? While your at it; please let me know when you guys can read all your own posts, and construct 5 posts without including inaccuracies and claims you run from too. And, please also let me know how you go with those substantiation requests won't you? Enjoy them. ""Oh my God the forum is falling apart, this
StormCentre guy, the substantiation we request, and the truth in it that's provided, is just too much!!!! "
Not even going to waste my time with you because this will be a never-ending story. Cheers.


-stormcentre :

Shadow i gave you hell for saying Floyd was an all a sudden walk em down killer as he has never been at WW. You would have done the same if i said Pac was an all of a sudden superior tactician who was a defensive specialist. It was all in good debate whether emotional or not and disagreeing and debating is great but BULLYING by means of condescending others and using degrading names is disturbing and an adult man doing it is disgusting. Like i said id like for someone to treat me like that to my face, in front of my son at that so i could make it a life lesson. Sure i was never a fringe contender in the 80's but that doesn't mean i can't fight. I can promise u i was a superior athlete and still am today.. And yes this forum has been ruined by the ways of one. And any bully in any way is a POS.
Have a good long read of Shadow's post AmeysengPlaytheng. The take a break. Then read it again. Try and learn. While you're at it ask Donkey about the email he sent me about BS. (That email was atrocious and completely uncalled for, and if BS requests it I will deliver it to him; solely because I have asked Donkey to stop, given him a chance, but he seems unable to do so). Yes, Donkey enjoys the fact that as he PaCqueens people don't know what's behind it. Then read that; if he has the balls to send it. If he doesn't think about why you avoid the truth, and "imagine" what it means. Donkey is your PacQueen leader. Try and learn. Rise above your reputation. At what point are you PacQueens going to stop and say; "Hey, I might think about what I write and say - just a bit"? At what point are you PacQueens going to stop, look yourself in the mirror and say; "Hey, you know, there is a reason why we always run from explaining things but still make brash claims."? Don't bother me what you do. Either way it's fun for me. Either way I will be here for as long as I want. You guys make us laugh over here when you self congratulate and talk about ""well I have been in this forum for years and never seen anything like this and what
Storm is doing"". I mean, where are your fingers when you say that? :) I have been here too, all that time. You guys can't even read your own posts that cause half the issues that cause the claims that you make and then run from. Contrary to what you all say and cry about ( ""well I have been in this forum for years and never seen anything like this and what
Storm is doing"". ); it's a complete lie. Madam and a few others around here have - time and time again - attacked and rode several forum posters out; sometimes just because you could. Additionally, what this forum was subjected pre MayPac shows that you all are very familiar with all that you say is bringing the forum down. The only difference is this time you are getting some back and that it's hard for you guys to prove your claims and find the same faults in mine; cause all I am doing is using your claims to highlight what's going on. Sure continue hating Floyd; I don't care - but it really just shows how ignorant you all are to boxing. Heaps of other all time greats had personal, legal, and women issues; and a lot where not as talented as Floyd. And Floyd (like Pac) is talented; as D2's goalpost change and inability to even properly describe - let alone stage - a Floyd V Pernell comparison, clearly shows - yet another backdown of claim and substance. Man, you guys just can't stop pulling down a really good boxer; yet you can't stand it if someone does the same to you - in an effort to show you what you're doing. Now, let me tell you all something; not only have I have been in this forum for almost 10 years and never seen anything like what you cats collectively do (and pretend you don't), but the safe money is that I probably have enough experience across the entire spectrum of the sport (both practically and theoretically) to say, take a look at yourselves before you throw the next stone. There is a reason none of you can substantiate what you say, and (not all the times, but) sometimes that's important; particularly when your throwing accusations around. Man, if you guys can't find nothing good in what I write, considering all the knowledge I have dropped here (knowledge I have not seen here before and, in other circles, get paid for) across various threads, then aside from what that says about your relationship to boxing, just push the ignore button - don't pretend to do it and then use that to get others on board your scam. Don't pretend the forum is overtaken with posts, when for the most part I only ever participate in 20% of the threads anyway. Think about the integrity in your posts and think about what you all do. That is if you want to and want a change. If not keep going, because as far as I am concerned I am not out of 1st gear, and having fun. :) Finally, you have just had someone step forward that has been - even in my eyes - a victim of bullying here; Shadow. The way some of you round each other up and move in for the attack, well .. it's in need of a change in my view. Especially considering that some of you now are saying my use of names is unreasonable? Really, check your own previous posts guys? Some of the things Amayseng and D2 have said to this guy, are just out of this world; in a hypocritical and other sense. Please don't ignore this fact as if it is another truth or delivered upon request to substantiate. Please don't blame others for what is "perceivably" happening in the forum.


-stormcentre :

Not even going to waste my time with you because this will be a never-ending story. Cheers.
I think I predicted that in the post, and if not expected it anyway. After all it is the substantiation you requested and the truth. Anyway, take a look at my last post. There is something for you to consider. Have a think about it. Go from there. Stay the same. Change. The choice is yours. :) :)


-#1 PacFan :

I wasn't referring to you per se. (There were many instances where it was obvious to me that someone had an ax to grind against me personally, especially from certain people. I even had people write me and ask me what that was about. After stating he wanted the fight and would win the fight, I was a nuthugger, TMT, Flomo, dirt of bottom of shoes, loser, Haymon groupie, groupie, fanboy etc. etc. But whatever, it's cool.) But I was really just stating the overall tone went downhill from there. And I don't doubt you were/are a tremendous athlete. I don't think it's worth fighting with a former pro boxer over, though. For the record, to clarify, he's not a walk-em-down, knock-em-out in the GGG mold. But when he wants (needs?) to, he will fight off the front foot with intelligent pressure and break guys down systematically by fatiguing them with body shots, diminishing their output before increasing his and ultimately pulling away. Guys like Mosley and Judah don't fight too well going backwards, which is why I think he made that tactical decision. And one of the biggest misconceptions about this match -- particularly from big media (literally), which really makes me doubt their knowledge -- was that they said this was a boxer vs. a pressure fighter. Huh? Pacquiao is not a pressure fighter. He's an in-and-out boxer-puncher with awkward, rapid movements. He has literally no inside game at all, maybe even less than Ali. He does his best work moving or when guys are stationary or coming forward. That's why Ricky Hatton signing to fight Pacquiao was literally a case of leading the lamb to slaughter.
Pacquiao's fighting style can be described depending on the time period of Manny's career. When Manny entered the boxing scene he was seen as an exciting action pressure fighter. In the lower weight classes Manny destroyed his opponents by pure will and aggression. You are right though when saying he has no inside game and you need that style to be considered a pressure fighter. But the fact that Manny always made his opponents on rethreat fighting is why many labeled him a pressure fighter. But that style soon change when he faced Morales for the first time. I think it was after that loss was when Roach developed Manny into more of a boxer-puncher who had to move in and out. The special thing about Manny is how he uses different styles depending on his opponents. In the higher weight classes he developed his descent counter punching skills because his opponents depended on their physical advantages on him. You have to admit that Manny did show varieties of skills when he fought Hatton. Used defense and offense effectively. I thought it was Hatton but then he goes out and displayed it his next fight. Which then brings up this fight. I strongly suspected Manny and Roach had this game plan in mind where he used more aggression. I was outraged by how Manny had him on the and was connecting shots and move out. This was where the volume punching would have player a role. Floyd was in full defense mode. I was telling at the TV head to the body!!! This is where did Manny feel Floyd's power? It might have made Manny think twice but what do I know. All in all I strongly believe Roach came up with the wrong game plan and Manny didn't take enough chances.


-stormcentre :

Not even going to waste my time with you because this will be a never-ending story. Cheers.
I think I predicted that in the post, and if not expected it anyway. After all it is the substantiation you requested and the truth. And it (not reading and checking) is also the reason you initially blundered in with your last post and requested the substantiation that you now don't want; so why not keep making the same mistake eh. Anyway, take a look at my last post. (Dont worry about the one your supposedly not reading; as it don't matter as that post is published there for everyone to read anyway, and I know most will). There is something there for even you you to consider. Yawl all have you 1st bullying victim - despite you claiming it doesn't happen - how about that? Congratulations; well done. Have a think about it. Go from there. Deny, look the other way; stay the same. Change. The choice is yours. I appreciate - particularly with you and how you can't be bothered to check and read - the odds are not good that the right decision will be made. I hope I am wrong. I have emails from 3 other previous posters that say they were bullied too; so clearly it's not isolated and (according to your above post) seemingly taken place whilst you have just not noticed. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Not even going to waste my time with you because this will be a never-ending story. Cheers.
I think I predicted that in the post, and if not expected it anyway. After all it is the substantiation you requested and the truth. And it (not reading and checking) is also the reason you initially blundered in with your last post and requested the substantiation that you now don't want; so why not keep making the same mistake eh. Anyway, take a look at my last post. (Dont worry about the post your supposedly not reading; as (aside from just using you as a vehicle for my point/post) it don't matter as that post is published there for everyone to read anyway, and I know most will). There is something there for even you you to consider. Yawl all have you 1st bullying victim - despite you claiming it doesn't happen - how about that? Congratulations; well done. Have a think about it. Go from there. Deny, look the other way; stay the same. Change. The choice is yours. I appreciate - particularly with you and how you can't be bothered to check and read - the odds are not good that the right decision will be made. I hope I am wrong. I have emails from 3 other previous posters that say they were bullied too; so clearly it's not isolated, but somehow has (according to your above post) seemingly taken place whilst you have just not noticed. :) :)


-stormcentre :

Pacquiao's fighting style can be described depending on the time period of Manny's career. When Manny entered the boxing scene he was seen as an exciting action pressure fighter. In the lower weight classes Manny destroyed his opponents by pure will and aggression. You are right though when saying he has no inside game and you need that style to be considered a pressure fighter. But the fact that Manny always made his opponents on rethreat fighting is why many labeled him a pressure fighter. But that style soon change when he faced Morales for the first time. I think it was after that loss was when Roach developed Manny into more of a boxer-puncher who had to move in and out. The special thing about Manny is how he uses different styles depending on his opponents. In the higher weight classes he developed his descent counter punching skills because his opponents depended on their physical advantages on him. You have to admit that Manny did show varieties of skills when he fought Hatton. Used defense and offense effectively. I thought it was Hatton but then he goes out and displayed it his next fight.
I actually see very little style difference in Manny that can't be attributed to his weight, and some other things. I would welcome anyone to explain how his style has significantly changed.


-stormcentre :

Pacquiao's fighting style can be described depending on the time period of Manny's career. When Manny entered the boxing scene he was seen as an exciting action pressure fighter. In the lower weight classes Manny destroyed his opponents by pure will and aggression. You are right though when saying he has no inside game and you need that style to be considered a pressure fighter. But the fact that Manny always made his opponents on rethreat fighting is why many labeled him a pressure fighter. But that style soon change when he faced Morales for the first time. I think it was after that loss was when Roach developed Manny into more of a boxer-puncher who had to move in and out. The special thing about Manny is how he uses different styles depending on his opponents. In the higher weight classes he developed his descent counter punching skills because his opponents depended on their physical advantages on him. You have to admit that Manny did show varieties of skills when he fought Hatton. Used defense and offense effectively. I thought it was Hatton but then he goes out and displayed it his next fight.
I actually see very little style difference in Manny that can't be attributed to his weight, and some other things. I see him as a highly successful, but still come forward pressure/volume fighter. I would welcome anyone to explain (in detail) how his style has significantly changed.


-Radam G :

I wasn't referring to you per se. (There were many instances where it was obvious to me that someone had an ax to grind against me personally, especially from certain people. I even had people write me and ask me what that was about. After stating he wanted the fight and would win the fight, I was a nuthugger, TMT, Flomo, dirt of bottom of shoes, loser, Haymon groupie, groupie, fanboy etc. etc. But whatever, it's cool.) But I was really just stating the overall tone went downhill from there. And I don't doubt you were/are a tremendous athlete. I don't think it's worth fighting with a former pro boxer over, though. For the record, to clarify, he's not a walk-em-down, knock-em-out in the GGG mold. But when he wants (needs?) to, he will fight off the front foot with intelligent pressure and break guys down systematically by fatiguing them with body shots, diminishing their output before increasing his and ultimately pulling away. Guys like Mosley and Judah don't fight too well going backwards, which is why I think he made that tactical decision. And one of the biggest misconceptions about this match -- particularly from big media (literally), which really makes me doubt their knowledge -- was that they said this was a boxer vs. a pressure fighter. Huh? Pacquiao is not a pressure fighter. He's an in-and-out boxer-puncher with awkward, rapid movements. He has literally no inside game at all, maybe even less than Ali. He does his best work moving or when guys are stationary or coming forward. That's why Ricky Hatton signing to fight Pacquiao was literally a case of leading the lamb to slaughter.
JSTYK! Ev'ybodee and dey momma are called a nuthugger about a boxer outta fun. Nuthugging is a part of the boksing and gym culture and slanguage. You need to get around more, my friend. Nuthugger, Flomo, Pac-mo, Flo-ho, Pac-ho, SOG-Jo, he-bytch, Maybytch, PacBytch, on-Pac's balls, on-Money-May's ball, stank and the likes are all in fun. Ethnic and racial put downs are not, especially using certain types of animal to do it. And being condescending when one is a BIG fake is quite immature. That dude is bringing this Universe down, plain, simple, PERIOD! And before long, it will stop, because he will be gone. The powers that be are very tolerance. But enough is enough. Dude is personal, ratchet and manic because he has issues, no doubt. As I told you, unless somebody refers to you by name, he/she are not personalizing anything against you. If you think that he/she is, just holla at him. Don't you find it amazing that the dude never attack you or B-Sug and anyone that is pro Mayweather or pro bullsyet about PEDs talk, beating women and riding the nut-sack of tsAH? BTW, "nut-sack" is another endearment term in the boxing culture and gyms. Man, I'm trying to skool you about your over reactions to da real real of da game. All sports have their slanguage and teasing talk. You can't blow your top. become paranoid and believe that you are being singled out. C'mon, man! This place has gotten out of sync. And it is not because of Mayweather or Pacquiao. It is because of a fringe boxer with issues. You don't have to be a shrink to see that. Holla!


-Radam G :

@The Shadow, every term that you have been called here, I have been called. B-Sug has been called them too. Even A-seng and D2 have been called them. Even tR has been called. That is a part of da game/culture, etc., etc. Nobody has singled you out to be called none of the above that you have mentioned. I cannot count how many times that I have been called a BobFather groupie. Or even a TSS plant, spy, golden child, etc., etc. Those things are not being condescending, racist, and just damn right evil. That dude has probs, my friend. Holla!


-stormcentre :

JSTYK! Ev'ybodee and dey momma are called a nuthugger about a boxer outta fun. Nuthugging is a part of the boksing and gym culture and slanguage. You need to get around more, my friend. Nuthugger, Flomo, Pac-mo, Flo-ho, Pac-ho, SOG-Jo, he-bytch, Maybytch, PacBytch, on-Pac's balls, on-Money-May's ball, stank and the likes are all in fun. Ethnic and racial put downs are not, especially using certain types of animal to do it. And being condescending when one is a BIG fake is quite immature. That dude is bringing this Universe down, plain, simple, PERIOD! And before long, it will stop, because he will be gone. The powers that be are very tolerance. But enough is enough. Dude is personal, ratchet and manic because he has issues, no doubt. As I told you, unless somebody refers to you by name, he/she are not personalizing anything against you. If you think that he/she is, just holla at him.
Don't you find it amazing that the dude never attack you or B-Sug and anyone that is pro Mayweather or pro bullsyet about PEDs talk, beating women and riding the nut-sack of tsAH? BTW, "nut-sack" is another endearment term in the boxing culture and gyms. Man, I'm trying to skool you about your over reactions to da real real of da game. All sports have their slanguage and teasing talk. You can't blow your top. become paranoid and believe that you are being singled out. C'mon, man! This place has gotten out of sync. And it is not because of Mayweather or Pacquiao. It is because of a fringe boxer with issues. You don't have to be a shrink to see that. Holla!
Another lie - bolded part. You can't help yourself can you? I have had extremely healthy debates with BS over Floyd and Tszyu; where Floyd was not favoured. You have even participated in them Donkey. Additionally, Shadow and I went at it when I said Judah did really well against Floyd. I further elaborated and stated how Judah's lefty stance and speed presented serious issues for Floyd that were only abated by Floyd's skills and Zab's poor conditioning. Both above debates were robust and not only healthy and relatively longstanding - but also involved other posters here; even obviously unreliable you.
Can you not ever even try to post a reliable and honest post Radam? My god, I honestly think you're incapable of it. I really do. Do you not know when you lie and make a fool of yourself; or do you just enjoy it? As for your comments on Schooling anyone. Are you serious? I mean do read what you write? Do you really believe you can school anyone here? If so, then despite all the humour associated with the term, you really must live in DonkeyWonderland. You would be - new and freshly minted single digit non PacQueen posters included - the last person I would suggest to school anyone. If ever you and Shadow sat down for a schooling; I am pretty sure where the reliable information would come from But then what would I know? I am not a PacEntourage releasing your remarkable, fantastic, episodic, and all entirely wrong MayPac claims; over the period of almost a year. As for the bullsyet about PEDs that I write. Whilst I don't claim that circulation spins around athletes bodies at 30,000 times a second like you do; please -
I openly challenge you - take me to one of my technical breakdowns on PEDS and show me where it is wrong. Radam, has it ever crossed your extremely imaginative but fear of explaining mind, that the real reason you consistently lie in your posts (and that is exactly what it is) and can't even explain your claims - even on those rare occasions when you claim you will and assert you're syetting us not - is actually because you're just prone to invention, fabrication, and moonllght make my hair grow back make believe. As rash as that sounds your E&HHoF does seem to rather suggest it may be true. Please let me know how you go with the above challenge and amending your claims about me, Brownsugar, and the Shadow. Also, you know that email you sent me about Brownsugar; he will get it when/if he requests it. Grow up. :)


-stormcentre :

JSTYK! Ev'ybodee and dey momma are called a nuthugger about a boxer outta fun. Nuthugging is a part of the boksing and gym culture and slanguage. You need to get around more, my friend. Nuthugger, Flomo, Pac-mo, Flo-ho, Pac-ho, SOG-Jo, he-bytch, Maybytch, PacBytch, on-Pac's balls, on-Money-May's ball, stank and the likes are all in fun. Ethnic and racial put downs are not, especially using certain types of animal to do it. And being condescending when one is a BIG fake is quite immature. That dude is bringing this Universe down, plain, simple, PERIOD! And before long, it will stop, because he will be gone. The powers that be are very tolerance. But enough is enough. Dude is personal, ratchet and manic because he has issues, no doubt. As I told you, unless somebody refers to you by name, he/she are not personalizing anything against you. If you think that he/she is, just holla at him.
Don't you find it amazing that the dude never attack you or B-Sug and anyone that is pro Mayweather or pro bullsyet about PEDs talk, beating women and riding the nut-sack of tsAH? BTW, "nut-sack" is another endearment term in the boxing culture and gyms. Man, I'm trying to skool you about your over reactions to da real real of da game. All sports have their slanguage and teasing talk. You can't blow your top. become paranoid and believe that you are being singled out. C'mon, man! This place has gotten out of sync. And it is not because of Mayweather or Pacquiao. It is because of a fringe boxer with issues. You don't have to be a shrink to see that. Holla!
Another lie -
bolded part. You can't help yourself can you? I have had extremely healthy forum debates (and not just one) with BS over Floyd and Tszyu; where Floyd was not favoured. You have even participated in them Donkey. BrownSugar's stance was that Floyd called out Kostya and I say it didn't happen and that Kostya would have wrecked Mayweather at light welterweight; so put that in your pipes all those whom think (despite all my open claims pre/post MayPac that stated I don't care who wins) I am on Floyd's nuts. I don't want to rehash these debates with BS, but man, you are so far off the mark with these ("come back to our side Shadow") claims that it's hard to not think you're stupid; as some of them you have even participated in. Additionally, Shadow and I went at it vehemently when I said Judah did really well against Floyd; opposing Shadow's views. I further elaborated (to progress my views) and stated how Judah's lefty stance and speed presented serious issues for Floyd that were only abated by Floyd's skills and Zab's poor conditioning. As it turned out Judah gave Floyd more issues than Pac did. Anyway, put that in your pipe also all those whom think (despite all my open claims pre/post MayPac that stated I don't care who wins) I am on Floyd's nuts. Both above debates spilled out across multiple posts and possibly threads, were robust and not only healthy and relatively longstanding - but also involved other posters here; even obviously unreliable you. But you have forgot this now eh? Whilst at the same time you can dream up fantastic fast handed watermelon recipes. Interesting (and convenient {witch doctor?}) skill-set you have there.
Can you not ever even try to post a reliable and honest post Radam? My god, I honestly think you're incapable of it. I really do. Do you not know when you lie and make a fool of yourself; or do you just enjoy it? As for your comments on Schooling anyone. Are you serious? I mean do read what you write? Do you really believe you can school anyone here? If so, then despite all the humour associated with the term, you really must live in DonkeyWonderland. You would be - new and freshly minted single digit non PacQueen posters included - the last person I would suggest to school anyone. If ever you and Shadow sat down for a schooling; I am pretty sure where the reliable information would come from But then what would I know? I am not a PacEntourage releasing your remarkable, fantastic, episodic, and all entirely wrong MayPac claims; over the period of almost a year. As for the bullsyet about PEDs that I write. Whilst I don't claim that circulation spins around athletes bodies at 30,000 times a second like you do; please -
I openly challenge you - take me to one of my technical breakdowns on PEDS and show me where it is wrong. Radam, has it ever crossed your extremely imaginative but fear of explaining mind, that the real reason you consistently lie in your posts (and that is exactly what it is) and can't even explain your claims - even on those rare occasions when you claim you will and assert you're syetting us not - is actually because you're just prone to invention, fabrication, and moonllght make my hair grow back make believe. As rash as that sounds your E&HHoF does seem to rather suggest it may be true. Please let me know how you go with the above challenge and amending your claims about me, Brownsugar, and the Shadow. Also, you know that email you sent me about Brownsugar; he will get it when/if he requests it. Substantiate that one with your buddies. Your above post, false claims, and also your actions that seek to round/stir people up (whether or not they're on the back of your utterly false claims) and then attack on your own part; is a perfect example of and everything the PacQueen brigade both represents and ignores. Wake up. Grow up. :)


-#1 PacFan :

I actually see very little style difference in Manny that can't be attributed to his weight, and some other things. I see him as a highly successful, but still come forward pressure/volume fighter. I would welcome anyone to explain (in detail) how his style has significantly changed.
Well then can you explain as to how his fighting have not changed. I'm pointing out that if he was always depending on his aggression I don't think he beats bigger opponents above 130.


-stormcentre :

Well then can you explain as to how his fighting have not changed. I'm pointing out that if he was always depending on his aggression I don't think he beats bigger opponents above 130.
Well for one thing; he has not ever developed an active and/or meaningful defence. Almost always drops his hands after throwing down, and has done that since he 1st came to the USA? Is that enough to start with?


-#1 PacFan :

I have always preached in the past that Floyd possessed those skills in reminence of the past all time greats. I have even gone on record here that Floyd reminded a lot of my fave boxer SRL. Only difference between the two was that SRL fought like hell for the fans. Now I'm not saying that Floyd is incapable its just clear that health has always been the reason and you can't blame him for that. I just feel that he didn't give enough to be considered TBE. Which is the reason why the majority of the public still won't give him the credit he wants. I actually thought he was going to advance on Manny in the late rounds as he usually does but like he said IT'S MANNY PACQUIAO in there.


-#1 PacFan :

Well for one thing; he has not ever developed an active and/or meaningful defence. Almost always drops his hands after throwing down, and has done that since he 1st came to the USA? Is that enough to start with?
So you are telling me that Manny gets hit every time his opponent punches at him?


-stormcentre :

So you are telling me that Manny gets hit every time his opponent punches at him?
How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I stated? This is where the PAcQueening has to stop. No-one said PAc get hits every time did they? Although I appreciate that - if I did say that - it would provide a better basis to defend your initial claims. Please reread my post. :)


-#1 PacFan :

Well for one thing; he has not ever developed an active and/or meaningful defence. Almost always drops his hands after throwing down, and has done that since he 1st came to the USA? Is that enough to start with?
We are not comparing Floyd's defense to Manny right? Because you can't compare with a defensive minded fighter.


-#1 PacFan :

[QUOTE=stormcentre;82721]How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I stated? This is where the PAcQueening has to stop. No-one said PAc get hits every time did they? Although I appreciate that - if I did say that - it would provide a better basis to defend your initial claims. Please reread my post. :)[/QUO PacQueening? Did you have to write that? I thought this convoy was getting good haha.


-The Shadow :

@The Shadow, every term that you have been called here, I have been called. B-Sug has been called them too. Even A-seng and D2 have been called them. Even tR has been called. That is a part of da game/culture, etc., etc. Nobody has singled you out to be called none of the above that you have mentioned. I cannot count how many times that I have been called a BobFather groupie. Or even a TSS plant, spy, golden child, etc., etc. Those things are not being condescending, racist, and just damn right evil. That dude has probs, my friend. Holla!
I'm not complaining or anything. It's not that deep to me. I generally couldn't care less what another person says to me or about me. I think my body of work speaks for itself. I was just pointing out that it did indeed happen. And yeah, I do know that s*** talking is part of the culture at any gym, court or field and I'll talk with the best of them. Shoot, I talk s*** when playing poker, it's part of my strategy. But this is not a gym. And what I specifically referred to was malice, not good hearted fun. And you know exactly what I'm referring to. Since Day 1 I've been a fact biased guy, not biased towards one. Spade is a spade. In fact before this latest BS, I've repeatedly said how I personally liked Roach and Pacquiao better than the Mayweathers. (For the record, Sr. called me a bitch at Johnny Tocco's gym when he dared me to punch him during an impromptu shoulder roll session. When I was at the MGM, Roger talked ish too. And he actually talked about SC.) I personally don't like what happened the past six months, but I do appreciate the unique insights shared by you, Stormcentre, Brownsugar and the gang. Like I've said many times before, I'm humbled by the knowledge that he, you or any trainer or pro fighter CHOOSES to share with others.


-#1 PacFan :

How did you arrive at that conclusion from what I stated? This is where the PAcQueening has to stop. No-one said PAc get hits every time did they? Although I appreciate that - if I did say that - it would provide a better basis to defend your initial claims. Please reread my post. :)
I just don't understand that just because a fighter drops his hands he lacks defense.


-The Shadow :

Shadow I said we should spar under supervision since you were training for a national championship.I hope your not referring to me about that fighting nonsense
I was referring to Floyd stating he wanted to fight Manny (according to a guy in his team) and then beating Manny. ""...After stating he wanted the fight and would win the fight..."" Here's the thread, FWIW:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?18603-Al-Haymon-spokesperson-Floyd-wants-Pacquiao-BAD&highlight=haymon+spokesperson


-The Shadow :

I just don't understand that just because a fighter drops his hands he lacks defense.
Some fighters do it deliberately, but that's not always the case with Manny. I read your post about Manny's fighting style and strategy. I agree with you, he fought the wrong game plan and took away his advantages by being too risk averse. Nice post. And Manny Pacquiao is one of the more improved fighters out there today. Especially looking at where he started and some of the early fights.


-#1 PacFan :

Some fighters do it deliberately, but that's not always the case with Manny. I read your post about Manny's fighting style and strategy. I agree with you, he fought the wrong game plan and took away his advantages by being too risk averse. Nice post. And Manny Pacquiao is one of the more improved fighters out there today. Especially looking at where he started and some of the early fights.
Thanks Shadow.


-The Shadow :

Another lie -
bolded part. You can't help yourself can you? I have had extremely healthy forum debates (and not just one) with BS over Floyd and Tszyu; where Floyd was not favoured. You have even participated in them Donkey. BrownSugar's stance was that Floyd called out Kostya and I say it didn't happen and that Kostya would have wrecked Mayweather at light welterweight; so put that in your pipes all those whom think (despite all my open claims pre/post MayPac that stated I don't care who wins) I am on Floyd's nuts. I don't want to rehash these debates with BS, but man, you are so far off the mark with these ("come back to our side Shadow") claims that it's hard to not think you're stupid; as some of them you have even participated in. Additionally, Shadow and I went at it vehemently when I said Judah did really well against Floyd; opposing Shadow's views. I further elaborated (to progress my views) and stated how Judah's lefty stance and speed presented serious issues for Floyd that were only abated by Floyd's skills and Zab's poor conditioning. As it turned out Judah gave Floyd more issues than Pac did. Anyway, put that in your pipe also all those whom think (despite all my open claims pre/post MayPac that stated I don't care who wins) I am on Floyd's nuts. Both above debates spilled out across multiple posts and possibly threads, were robust and not only healthy and relatively longstanding - but also involved other posters here; even obviously unreliable you. But you have forgot this now eh? Whilst at the same time you can dream up fantastic fast handed watermelon recipes. Interesting (and convenient {witch doctor?}) skill-set you have there.
Can you not ever even try to post a reliable and honest post Radam? My god, I honestly think you're incapable of it. I really do. Do you not know when you lie and make a fool of yourself; or do you just enjoy it? As for your comments on Schooling anyone. Are you serious? I mean do read what you write? Do you really believe you can school anyone here? If so, then despite all the humour associated with the term, you really must live in DonkeyWonderland. You would be - new and freshly minted single digit non PacQueen posters included - the last person I would suggest to school anyone. If ever you and Shadow sat down for a schooling; I am pretty sure where the reliable information would come from But then what would I know? I am not a PacEntourage releasing your remarkable, fantastic, episodic, and all entirely wrong MayPac claims; over the period of almost a year. As for the bullsyet about PEDs that I write. Whilst I don't claim that circulation spins around athletes bodies at 30,000 times a second like you do; please -
I openly challenge you - take me to one of my technical breakdowns on PEDS and show me where it is wrong. Radam, has it ever crossed your extremely imaginative but fear of explaining mind, that the real reason you consistently lie in your posts (and that is exactly what it is) and can't even explain your claims - even on those rare occasions when you claim you will and assert you're syetting us not - is actually because you're just prone to invention, fabrication, and moonllght make my hair grow back make believe. As rash as that sounds your E&HHoF does seem to rather suggest it may be true. Please let me know how you go with the above challenge and amending your claims about me, Brownsugar, and the Shadow. Also, you know that email you sent me about Brownsugar; he will get it when/if he requests it. Substantiate that one with your buddies. Your above post, false claims, and also your actions that seek to round/stir people up (whether or not they're on the back of your utterly false claims) and then attack on your own part; is a perfect example of and everything the PacQueen brigade both represents and ignores. Wake up. Grow up. :)
That is true. We did disagree on that one. And quite frankly, I always thought Radam was a bigger Floyd supporter than you, Stormcentre. I never before got the impression that you were a "pro-Floyd" guy. We disagree all the time. Which is cool. I personally like when people can offer thoughtful analysis to support their position. Some guy joined the forum and challenged me to show how Mayweather hadn't ducked Mosley. I effectively used facts and historical data to show that not only had he tried to fight him since '99, there really wasn't any other time it could've happened than when it did. He may not have liked it because the facts didn't support his bias, but at least it produced a healthy debate. Then there was the issue of certain things. And even if I take an unpopular position -- some call it biased, I prefer to call it factual -- I always try to back it up as comprehensively as possible without talking out my behind. Be that as it may, in this case with Pacquiao, as I've pointed out before, there seemed to be such a strong desire/hope for people to finally see Floyd beat, and thought that In one thread, some guy came at me because I didn't agree with the premise that because Maidana was able to touch Mayweather, that faster Pacquiao would be able to touch him more. I responded that I thought that it was a rather simplistic notion, as well as comparison, (and probably aided by wishful thinking) because in my estimation, Maidana had success due to the unconventional nature of his attacks, the odd angles of punches -- aiming to the top of the head with elbow pointed to the heavens (shoutout to B-Suge) -- as well as his completely crude nature. He approached this with a Kamikaze mentality, seek and destroy by any means necessary. He hit below the belt, he bit -- in both fights -- he tackled, he did every foul you could think of. On top of that, Maidana can fight on the inside, probably has harder one-punch power, was nearly 20 pounds heavier and completely without regard for Floyd's reputation. As supreme a technician and tactician as Floyd is, the odd nature of Maidana's attack made it hard for him to process, something Malignaggi also pointed out on the telecast. (On top of that, Maidana was on EPO for the first fight.) Manny, while faster and more explosive that Maidana, attacks in straight lines, is very predictable, he is NOT a bully in the ring, and he's a very, very clean fighter (in the ring). I had seen that lesser boxers were able to "process" Pacquiao's attacks and get a read on the "picture" he shows in the ring. For that reason, I didn't think the Maidana fight would be much of an indication of Pacquiao's chances, and I was proven right. Maidana and Pacquiao fight nothing alike. But when I said it? OH MY GOODNESS! The trolling was rolling. Because of Pacquiao's standing as a fan favorite, I usually wouldn't even touch the PED topic, in spite of me knowing things that would actually produce extremely interesting discourse, part of which I have revealed. I actually think this whole debacle is pretty healthy because I can already see some sanity slowly being restored, people being held accountable for what they're saying and being more cognizant of what they post. And that's a good thing. Is anyone watching Dirrell? He just got tagged by DeGale?! WTF?! DeGale shouldn't pose any threat to an active Dirrell.


-stormcentre :

I just don't understand that just because a fighter drops his hands he lacks defense.
I am tempted to leave it there if you don't understand that. As it is a fundamental aspect of the game; even though some fighters develop a style that ignores it. However, You asked why I don't think Pac has changed much. I gave you a good reason why. And, yes just because and/when a fighter (frequently) drops his hands (like Pac) he lacks defense. It's never good. It's like not having the ability to back your claims up. Usually fast or well managed fighters develop a style that disregards defence. However, (like the truth) it almost always catches up with them. Fact; usually that happens when they slow down and/or meet a guy that is not their typical managed opponent.


-stormcentre :

That is true. We did disagree on that one. And quite frankly, I always thought Radam was a bigger Floyd supporter than you, Stormcentre. I never before got the impression that you were a "pro-Floyd" guy. We disagree all the time. Which is cool. I personally like when people can offer thoughtful analysis to support their position. Some guy joined the forum and challenged me to show how Mayweather hadn't ducked Mosley. I effectively used facts and historical data to show that not only had he tried to fight him since '99, there really wasn't any other time it could've happened than when it did. He may not have liked it because the facts didn't support his bias, but at least it produced a healthy debate. Then there was the issue of certain things. And even if I take an unpopular position -- some call it biased, I prefer to call it factual -- I always try to back it up as comprehensively as possible without talking out my behind. Be that as it may, in this case with Pacquiao, as I've pointed out before, there seemed to be such a strong desire/hope for people to finally see Floyd beat, and thought that In one thread, some guy came at me because I didn't agree with the premise that because Maidana was able to touch Mayweather, that faster Pacquiao would be able to touch him more. I responded that I thought that it was a rather simplistic notion, as well as comparison, (and probably aided by wishful thinking) because in my estimation, Maidana had success due to the unconventional nature of his attacks, the odd angles of punches -- aiming to the top of the head with elbow pointed to the heavens (shoutout to B-Suge) -- as well as his completely crude nature. He approached this with a Kamikaze mentality, seek and destroy by any means necessary. He hit below the belt, he bit -- in both fights -- he tackled, he did every foul you could think of. On top of that, Maidana can fight on the inside, probably has harder one-punch power, was nearly 20 pounds heavier and completely without regard for Floyd's reputation. As supreme a technician and tactician as Floyd is, the odd nature of Maidana's attack made it hard for him to process, something Malignaggi also pointed out on the telecast. (On top of that, Maidana was on EPO for the first fight.) Manny, while faster and more explosive that Maidana, attacks in straight lines, is very predictable, he is NOT a bully in the ring, and he's a very, very clean fighter (in the ring). I had seen that lesser boxers were able to "process" Pacquiao's attacks and get a read on the "picture" he shows in the ring. For that reason, I didn't think the Maidana fight would be much of an indication of Pacquiao's chances, and I was proven right. Maidana and Pacquiao fight nothing alike. But when I said it? OH MY GOODNESS! The trolling was rolling. Because of Pacquiao's standing as a fan favorite, I usually wouldn't even touch the PED topic, in spite of me knowing things that would actually produce extremely interesting discourse, part of which I have revealed. I actually think this whole debacle is pretty healthy because I can already see some sanity slowly being restored, people being held accountable for what they're saying and being more cognizant of what they post. And that's a good thing. Is anyone watching Dirrell? He just got tagged by DeGale?! WTF?! DeGale shouldn't pose any threat to an active Dirrell.
Man, if Dirrell is not ready for James it will not be good for him. DeGale should not pose a threat, but whom knows how he has really prepared. Theoretically, for what that's worth in the sport, Dirrell should make reasonably easy work of James and, at least, win.


-#1 PacFan :

I am tempted to leave it there if you don't understand that. As it is a fundamental aspect of the game; even though some fighters develop a style that ignores it. However, You asked why I don't think Pac has changed much. I gave you a good reason why. And, yes just because and/when a fighter (frequently) drops his hands (like Pac) he lacks defense. It's never good. It's like not having the ability to back your claims up. Usually fast or well managed fighters develop a style that disregards defence. However, (like the truth) it almost always catches up with them. Fact; usually that happens when they slow down and/or meet a guy that is not their typical managed opponent.
But this doesn't say anything about PAC not developing defense. When I use the term defense in the same sentence as Manny I don't mean that he is all of a sudden a defensive genius. I state only that he has defense compared to before. Plus you can disregard defense if you have a potent offense. Like they always say a good offense is a good defense. But again I am only saying he has improved defensively.


-stormcentre :

But this doesn't say anything about PAC not developing defense. When I use the term defense in the same sentence as Manny I don't mean that he is all of a sudden a defensive genius. I state only that he has defense compared to before. Plus you can disregard defense if you have a potent offense. Like they always say a good offense is a good defense. But again I am only saying he has improved defensively.
OK, if that's what you think, I am cool with that. Cheers.


-Radam G :

I'm not complaining or anything. It's not that deep to me. I generally couldn't care less what another person says to me or about me. I think my body of work speaks for itself. I was just pointing out that it did indeed happen. And yeah, I do know that s*** talking is part of the culture at any gym, court or field and I'll talk with the best of them. Shoot, I talk s*** when playing poker, it's part of my strategy. But this is not a gym. And what I specifically referred to was malice, not good hearted fun. And you know exactly what I'm referring to. Since Day 1 I've been a fact biased guy, not biased towards one. Spade is a spade. In fact before this latest BS, I've repeatedly said how I personally liked Roach and Pacquiao better than the Mayweathers. (For the record, Sr. called me a bitch at Johnny Tocco's gym when he dared me to punch him during an impromptu shoulder roll session. When I was at the MGM, Roger talked ish too. And he actually talked about SC.) I personally don't like what happened the past six months, but I do appreciate the unique insights shared by you, Stormcentre, Brownsugar and the gang. Like I've said many times before, I'm humbled by the knowledge that he, you or any trainer or pro fighter CHOOSES to share with others.
Hehe! Big Floyd call ev'ybodee and dey momma a bytch when you don't respond to his dares. Dude has been talking bulljive to me since I was three years old about all "Filipinos, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese and Mexicans looking a like. So he "cannot remember (us) like regular people." I keep saying to him: "So we are not regular people," Big Floyd. "Hell naw, bytch," he will scream. "The only reason that I remember your little @$$ is that you use to be with Muhammad Ali a lot. Why were you with him so much? He might be your daddy...Put your hands up...." And Big Floyd is going to be punching and talking syet about everything under the sun. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

Man, if Dirrell is not ready for James it will not be good for him. DeGale should not pose a threat, but whom knows how he has really prepared. Theoretically, for what that's worth in the sport, Dirrell should make reasonably easy work of James and, at least, win.
Hey I never had a problem with you but no need for the r2d2 reference. It is disrespectful. I don't aprreciate it.


-stormcentre :

Hey I never had a problem with you but no need for the r2d2 reference. It is disrespectful. I don't aprreciate it.
Sorry I had been away for a while as a friend I help had a fight in Sydney on the weekend. Now is a good time to tell you all that - just as with your collective PacQueen and bullying group you have here; there is more than 1 person that accesses this "
StormCentre" account. We are a group of fighters, trainers, and honest people that - as you all know - actually understand boxing. It's only fair since - aside from being accompanied by truth, substantiation and fact - poor old
StormCentre is basically on his own. Alone in the face of all the bullying, PacQueening, lying (as we have now seen; please ask us to do a thread on how many untruthful posts are above if you disagree) and baseless claims that go down here; whether not they're used as attack weapons. Call us the social avengers for justice in relation to bullying and the untruth; if you like. We're the equivalent of those guys that rode on the NY subway to look after the downtrodden. Not now, but in the future, we may create a thread that exposes all bullying posts; with particular emphasis on claims that are untrue - if things don't change. For those - like Christine and Madam - whom want to create a gang and/or poll to have us banned - go ahead now. Find out for yourselves how it will seem as if we actually work for TSS and are paid by them. I make no claim that we are, or are not with respect to that last sentence though. Also, please don't think the above-mentioned rules don't apply to us; please call us out (with proof) when/if we lie. OK, let's have a breather here; as this post is getting long - way past the point that some of the authors of the above/below-mentioned posts can usually handle anyways. :) 1/2 day later . . . . OK, the
StormCentre is back now to feel the love, and of course see the trail of baseless claims Donkey has left in his wake; but that's another story. :) OK, so we're talking about name calling eh? Interesting subject that; even aside from it's origins and how much - when it suited - it has been tolerated. Let's set the background properly and accurately first shall we? You know how the
StormCentre loves to consider the facts first so he's not a hypocrite. OK . . . Let's leave AmaysegPlaythengs' start of it all (that he has conveniently forgot) by calling me Mr. Ellerbe, shall we? Put that to one side. Let's also leave AmaysegPlaythengs' hypocritical bullying post, where - aside from hopelessly continuing with his "doomed from the start" ruse related to how he pretends he does not read my posts because he has blocked me (a lie that has permeated for weeks now) - he actually implicitly threatens violence . . . [QUOTE=AmaysengPlaytheng;82673]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82673&viewfull=1#post82673 Wow I just got the memo this guy is calling people names, myself included. Not like calling someone an idiot for acting like one but that he has special degrading names for a few of us, like a bully would do. Wow what a tough guy to bully others across the internet. Especially one that is superior to his peers (which he is not) truly shows what a low life he is for trying to bully people, adults at that! It only takes one to ruin something great like this forum as he has. Congratulations Storm u are and absolute POS,
I'd pay money for u to call me names to my face.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82677&viewfull=1#post82677 [/QUOTE] Yes - along with the remarkable claim that my contributions and I (not all the lies and bullying) have ruined the forum - we can put that to one side too; as we both consider AmaysegPlaythengs' written contributions and compare. And let's also leave how he later - once it become obvious that he has repetitively bullied others - falls back on his (own) sword and (effectively; by way of his above and below posts) claims ("And any bully in any way is a POS") he is the actual "POS" that he hypocritically claims others are . . [QUOTE=AmaysengPlaytheng;82689]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82689&viewfull=1#post82689 Shadow i gave you hell for saying Floyd was an all a sudden walk em down killer as he has never been at WW. You would have done the same if i said Pac was an all of a sudden superior tactician who was a defensive specialist. It was all in good debate whether emotional or not and disagreeing and debating is great but BULLYING by means of condescending others and using degrading names is disturbing and an adult man doing it is disgusting. Like i said id like for someone to treat me like that to my face, in front of my son at that so i could make it a life lesson. Sure i was never a fringe contender in the 80's but that doesn't mean i can't fight. I can promise u i was a superior athlete and still am today.. And yes this forum has been ruined by the ways of one.
And any bully in any way is a POS. [/QUOTE] Let's also leave Chris' manifestly and remarkably inaccurate and self-delusional post . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82668&viewfull=1#post82668 And the screaming disparity it has not only with the actual thread it relates to (within which he was, at the very start of the thread, politely warned to be careful about misplacing his faith) . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82730&viewfull=1#post82730 Which - even if we forget the fact that Chris, prior to that, actually authored another bumbling and bullying post that was even more (yes it is possible folks) staggeringly inaccurate and accusatory - together with all Chris has smelly dumped within this and the other thread; if not blowing the upper ceiling of PacQueen stupidity clean through the pretend rafters and paper tiles (within the PacQueen house of cards) - then it surely redefines not just what happens when unrestrained idiocy makes love to both rampaging bullying and habitual lying in a gender confused M?nage ? trois - but also how retarded and sadly deformed the genetic product can actually be. Particularly when such actions are provided with a supporting environment. Itself, a supporting environment, that was/is obviously replete with, unclean, welcomed, goofy and also familiarly sticky-fingered slaps on the back for each act of being the biggest prematurely ejaculating lying-idiot-bully; of the minute. Talk about ignoring warning signs (many of which were provided) and not learning from mistakes because it feels to good to lie and bully in an environment that supports it? Yes, let's put all that - and how the baseless name calling and bullying Chris' post represented, was both supported and tolerated (all of which came off the back of a misinterpretation of the fact that you actually offered to do a Floyd V Pernell comparison) - to one side. While we're at it . . . . Another great author of truly staggeringly imaginative, inaccurate, and completely unsubstantiated hating posts that (as they bask in the sun of, "gee it feels good to lie and bully in this environment particularly since everyone supports it and therefore helps me evade") curiously receive not 1/100th of the heat that anyone, Shadow, and the other posters that email us about bullying included, get; whom talk the truth around here . . Radam. Lets also leave Radam's latest installment of "round up the Queens to keep bullying; based on utterly baseless claims" . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82712&viewfull=1#post82712 Itself a post that is so utterly and hopelessly untruthful and unreliable (even by his thundering accounts) that the actual email to which I refer that Radam actually sent me (itself an email of enormous derogatory proportions to someone you respect in this forum; despite you all tolerating Radam more than the truth that he runs from) - is itself an email that was sent to me right on the back of the Tszyu V Floyd debate that I mention - in the above provided link - that was actually an email that Radam conveniently overlooked as he constructed his above-linked baseless post, all in an attempt to again (please,
anyone, show us a week of his posts where there is not a lie and explain why this is tolerated more than the truth) lie and round up the Queens to . . I can only assume . . . . further bully. Just so you understand the scale of the hypocrisy and bullying we are talking about here (that is continuously tolerated and supported); what we are saying is that not only did Radam overlook the actual Tszyu V Floyd debate that BS and I had, in order to construct his above-linked and inaccurate post (a post constructed right at a time when all the heat of this actual thread was just starting to die down) - but he also, somehow - miraculously - CherryJuice - moonlight make my anal hair grow back - conveniently - also - just as he constructed his above-linked and hopelessly untruthful and unreliable post in his attempt to round up the Queens to further bully - overlooked (please think about how this can happen. . please) how his above-mentioned and seriously concerning email to (me about BS' past life and occupation) was actually delivered to me whilst the actual Tszyu V Floyd debate that BS and I had (remember, the debate that conflicts with and contradicts with his unnecessarily stirring post) was live. No big deal eh? Well, and only if you're principled, please read on then. Now, a good question may be if this guy is your faithful PacQueen leader and tolerated more than the truth and those whom are bullied, why are they the traits you all aspire to and support? Another good question may be, how did Radam overlook his own email (about BS) to me, as he falsely claimed "the
StormCentre never attack BS"; when - his email itself - amongst other appalling things - actually attempted to spur me on and "attack" BS? This is the guy that has - according to his own PacQueen actuality of da reality - a total incapacity to support his claims; yet he is treated by you all better than Shadow, the
StormCentre, and many others that actually meaningfully contribute. Is the real reason behind this because the Shadow, the
StormCentre, and a few others place faith in fact; whereas Donkey adores and obsesses with fiction? If not what other answer could there be to this utterly intriguing phenomena? Another good question may be, how Radam (or Amayeseng; given the above-mentioned posts he authored) does not feel like a raving hypocrite as he constructed the above post; even aside from what his email to me (about BS) represented? And another good question may be, why are these traits - by and large - tolerated and overlooked by all the ""OMG this universe is deteriorating as a result of the evil truth worshippers that expect us to follow through on what we say and not lie as we attack, despite how that constitutes bullying"", boxing-cry-babies' "own" high powered perceptions that have . . . "themselves" . . remarkably also authored many of the inconsistent, baseless and bullying posts within this thread; to which the
StormCentre refers and you all know of? OK, let's have a breather here; as this post is getting long - way past the point that some of the authors of the above/below-mentioned posts can usually handle anyways. :) 2 hours later . . . . You will hopefully note (just as Chris hopelessly failed to "both" understand the issue at hand {that he jumped into despite the warnings} and also directly contact you, in an attempt to ignore the substantiation he himself {when not "forgetting"} actually requested; in relation to the Floyd $5M penalty thing) Radam has not (and can not) claim this above (post/email) issue I speak of is untrue. In fact Radam actually can't show that any of the claims, I question, that he authors, actually are true; go figure !! I mean how clueless is that? And you guys - instead - bully and run the Shadow out of here !!!! I mean how clueless is that? Therefore we must consider what (previously undisclosed) part Radam's ploys, emails and posts play in the bullying and PacQueen manifesto. So, please do that. Now, my friend it appears you (sweeping past and disregarding all the above, and both all that represents and is at the core of the issue) are (now) talking about my use of the "R2D2" name for you. Of course there are no claims that I am lying, as the
StormCentre doesn't do that; hence his lack of concern with substantiation . . . And by that the
StormCentre means . . . he has no concerns with . either giving and/or providing it (substantiation); that is, on those rare (yet to happen) instances when substantiation may actually be provided to him from another poster here. Because . . . . . . . unlike some that Christine request it (substantiation) as a hopelessly failed "bluff-calling" ploy that has, sadly, been given PacQueenPreference over, reading, checking, and listening to (all) the siren-warnings - but then "forget" they did so - only to then finally and embarrassingly both run from and ignore all this when the . . "Oh I forgot that I asked for the substantiation (that both PacQueenExposes me, and I am now running from and trying to ignore) scam" is blown apart - only then (as if that is not enough) to lurch into another bumbling PacQueen like "truth-crisis" that itself gives rise to the development of the 1st stage of an acute case of "substantiation-denial" - which is then (yes folks this is the kind of episodic shite Chris and his mouth was serving up; it was this bad/supported) shortly followed by - not just more lying, denial and goofy Benny Hill style bumbling - but also the 2nd more severe case of "substantiation-denial" that is itself characterized by obvious symptoms of; a) Public idiocy. b) Self delusional (just like PacJuice after the MayPac fight . . . ""gee "[even though I know I really lost] "didn't I win - yes I will say that"", style) false-victory-foot-in-mouth-claims . . . and, of course DonkeyDenial; all in a hopelessly doomed hope to keep the baseless claims and bullying alive. c) Bullying in the dark, ignoring warning signs, laughing at the barriers to hypocrisy that sane men obey, and in general barking at the moon; in an effort to tell others (those that really know) such actions constitute the truth. . . . the
StormCentre doesn't run from substantiation when it is provided either.
Fact; not that the provision of substantiation to the
StormCentre has ever yet happened; including the comparison of Floyd V Pernell, which is where this all started. So, just to recap; the
StormCentre does not withhold or run from (should it ever be provided) substantiation. Not even when Queens call the
StormCentre's bluff on substantiation; only to then act as above described when it is provided - which is another foundation of - if not outright hypocritical idiocy - then surely PacQueening and bullying. Speaking of substantiation - or the lack of it - in relation to the Floyd V Pernell comparison - which (not only started this thread on fire and sent Chris on his PacQueen supported and hopelessly doomed cause and denial crusade; but not before ignoring all the warning signs) I will actually complete that comparison for you in a separate/dedicated thread; as substantiation of how easy it is to move forward. See, the
StormCentre is your friend. OK, back to my use of the "R2D2" name for you And, of course you are not talking about any bullying on the
StormCentre's part as, unlike with your collective good selves, there are no people proving the
StormCentre has bullied them; which is probably because the
StormCentre is a social avenger and usually only ever brings out the PacQueenMirror and/or the PacQueen's own bitter medicine for all to taste, in response to PacQueens own and previous/initial actions. OK, that important point is now out of the way. Let's talk "names"; using the above posts as logic. On it's own - as Radam and several others above . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82705&viewfull=1#post82705
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82689&viewfull=1#post82689 . . . have clearly attempted to assert (but only once the true significance of their own bullying actions came to the fold) - that "names" seem to be (now) deemed as relatively harmless. So, based on that "R2D2" is nothing to worry about.
I mean it's not like (or as bad as) what Madam, AmaysengPlaytheng, or even ChrisQueen have authored/done, is it? I mean the
StormCentre, whether it be based on;
1)
PacChrisQueen Style: Utterly, ludicrous, inaccurate, lying, idiotic, and hypocritical PacQueen bullying claims that he later just attempted to ignore and fled from, rather than acknowledge - just when the facts and substantiation he thought was safe to request was actually provided to him; in what was, from the start, nothing more than a hopelessly doomed and pitiful act of PacQueen grandstanding.
2) StormCentre Style: The truth and standing by it;
StormCentre and Muhammad Ali (Vietnam War) style Has not attempted to round Queens up to collectively bully and/or create a poll and have you banned; has he? Not like how AmaysengPlaytheng, DonkeyMadam, or ChrisQueen have; whether it be on the back of what you write, do, and do not follow through with? Isn't that right? Happy to hear how it is not. Happy to hear how the
StormCentre calling you "R2D2" is worse than all that, and uncalled for; particularly given the entire backdrop, all related events, and the supporting environment that the above PacQueen actions have been provided. Still the
StormCentre appreciates how bullies hate their own medicine. And, the
StormCentre appreciates how most casual posters can be relied upon to just drop in on a thread, not read it all, and - based on what seems to be the most popular thing to do (no matter how idiotic and hypocritical) - be reeled in and expected to contribute to a collective PacQueen and/or bullying initiative; as we have seen. In fact this is the chief operating method of Donkey and a few others. You can almost - like clockwork - bet that, as soon as Donkey begins to feel exposed he will re-commence and/or embark upon a call for arms with multiple posts; supported - regardless of his all permeating inability - to substantiate anything he says. Still, irrespective of all this - that has obviously been overlooked - the
StormCentre is, for the most part, a fair
StormCentre. So, based on all that . . . . And also the irrepressible fact that the
StormCentre calling you "R2D2" seems to be unbearable for you. We should address this tragic travesty. First, though let's look a little deeper . . . Because when *placed alongside baseless claims designed to attack and bully people I appreciate how/that calling "names" may be a different story. As we have seen.
Revision: So too, it is a different story, when someone comes along and flips the (name calling and bullying) script (as the
StormCentre has done), and in turn gives the medicine straight back (as the
StormCentre has done) to those whom are the bullies and authors of baseless claims. Now, please don't make the
StormCentre go back to his "
TSS watermelon seed and CherryJuice LCoAMermaidHymen Archives that are backing him up 100%", to show how many of you - including you D2 - have actually been engaged in the above*. As the
StormCentre has already (please see the above and below provided links) flogged what sense was left out of Chris . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21259-Regarding-A-Retroactive-Therepeutic-Use-Exemption&p=82730&viewfull=1#post82730 . . . (not before providing the warnings though) for his "hypocritical and doomed from the start" efforts, and the
StormCentre would prefer not to do it again. Yes the
StormCentre admits it was fun, and easy work. Plus the
StormCentre knows you're way smarter than ChrisQueen. Anyway, now that those truths and the real (ignored) background of this matter is all out of the way.
Lets have a little mutual agreement then shall we? The
StormCentre will cease using "R2D2" as a replacement for "D2", on the following basis.
A) Provided you cease the baseless claims, bullying, and running from explaining when you offer it; whether or not that act itself contributes to and/or creates a
Storm in a Teacup thread - as we have seen here with this one.
B) You think about the reliability of claims that are used to defend and attack; as in general (whilst the
StormCentre appreciates that {as has been shown time and time again} the forum is not a conservation sanctuary for PacQueen reliability and honesty) it is those actions where lies, bullying, and PacQueening are the most intolerable. I will assume it is a deal until I hear otherwise. :) Also, to end on a good note . . . . The
StormCentre will also - as above stated - start another thread to address how to assess Floyd V Pernell. In it will be skill-set and evaluation factors such as (but not limited to); 1) Previous champions and/or legends each fighter Floyd/Pernell has beaten, and how. 2) Defence aspects that differentiate the 2 fighters. ie; does one guy have a fully integrated (or thereabouts) defensive means to simultaneously attack? Or is his defence - no matter how animated and brilliant - always exhibit a seam and/or juncture at whish point the transition from/to offence is clear? 3) Yes, I will include the 3 terms "speed", "ring generalship" and "power"; that you initially shot at. However, if you have something more tangible than just your feelings about why Pernell has more power - even though the statistics don't reflect that; I would appreciate you telling me why. 4) Balance. 5) Offensive arsenal and success with it; regardless of power and KO's. 6) KOs. Finally, please note the above-mentioned
Storm in a Teacup originated from both a partially understood and (not on your part but nevertheless a completely/foolishly blundered)
ChrisMisinterpretation of what was meant to be a reliable Floyd V Pernell comparison; of which you were seemingly going to deliver. Thanks for your post D2. Let's move forward - that is, unless you know of a PacQueen (the
StormCentre is not - especially now that you are effectively apologizing, and seeking both a truce and end to the nonsense - claiming you are one) that still wants to stand up and be counted and flogged based on what they had said/done. Your friend,
StormCentre.


-stormcentre :

As promised . . .
Pernell Vs Floyd; a definitve comparison of skills
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21310-Pernell-Vs-Floyd-a-definitve-comparison-of-skills Let's get rocking with some facts . . . . :) :) :)


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

As promised . . .
Pernell Vs Floyd; a definitve comparison of skills
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21310-Pernell-Vs-Floyd-a-definitve-comparison-of-skills Let's get rocking with some facts . . . . :) :) :)
Storm is like that kid in the 1989 video game movie, "The Wizard." He is on another level! What other TSS poster writes dissertations on pugilism at the drop of a hat while multi-tasking? I see you big dog, keep the post and rebuttals coming.


-deepwater2 :

Is Gary Todd in on this collective ? Listen I have have no problem with what you do and I like the breakdowns you do. Sometimes I agree sometimes I don't. I stand on my own and I don't want to be dismissed with a silly robot name. I don't call people names and I don't enjoy that.


-stormcentre :

Wicked - we are 1 big happy, consistent, honest, and reliable boxing loving family then. :) :) :)


-The Shadow :

Wicked - we are 1 big happy, consistent, honest, and reliable boxing loving family then. :) :) :)
This guy doesn't appreciate it either, yet he's repeatedly [URL="http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/search.php?searchid=409906">called it anyway[/URL]:
->https://youtu.be/61jU-rxlxNc?t=53s
->https://youtu.be/NtQnRi5qu4k?t=3m8s On a different note, what do you make of [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmQ-FjEUncg">these comments[/URL]? I especially made note of the point made that if you eat 7,000 calories a day, you cannot burn all that off and stay ripped, unless aided. And if you work hard enough to burn it off while packing on muscle mass, you're over training, unless aided.


-Chris L :

@Storm - I didn't realise you were still talking about the fine; the wording is different from what you originally said. However, neither of us are going to make any concessions so no point continuing. @Shadow - What Paulie's saying makes sense - the whole picture of the move-ups etc doesn't make sense. On a similar note - what do you make of Maidanas performances vs Broner & Mayweather I? He seemed like a different fighter than the one who was in there with Mayweather in the rematch. I know Ariza was in his camp for Broner/Mayweather I but then was let go by Garcia (without the reason being made public as far as I'm aware).


-stormcentre :

No, I didn't run from the thread/subject, just as substantiation set in and it was clear - amongst other things - that you were wrong and didn't have enough understanding of the matter at hand; to begin with. The StormCentre doesn't put effort in to not have the correct closure and outcome. Maidana V Mayweather/Broner are different fight altogether. Not in the least due to the Ariza factor. :) :)


-stormcentre :

No, I didn't run from the thread/subject, just as substantiation set in and it was clear - amongst other things - that you were wrong and didn't have enough understanding of the matter at hand; to begin with. The
StormCentre doesn't put effort in to not have the correct closure and outcome. Maidana V Mayweather/Broner are different fight altogether. Not in the least due to the Ariza factor, and of course the fact that Broner is no Floyd. :) :)


-stormcentre :

No, the
StormCentre didn't run from the thread/subject, just as substantiation set in and it was clear - amongst other things - that you were wrong and didn't have enough understanding of the matter at hand; to begin with. The
StormCentre doesn't put effort in to not have the correct closure and outcome. Still, (even aside form all the other threads there are that I have not started and featured in, or those I have started) this is a strange place for - even you - to visit if you're looking for a subject change. Maidana V Mayweather/Broner are different fight altogether. Not in the least due to the Ariza factor, and of course the fact that Broner is no Floyd. :) :)


-The Shadow :

@Storm - I didn't realise you were still talking about the fine; the wording is different from what you originally said. However, neither of us are going to make any concessions so no point continuing. @Shadow - What Paulie's saying makes sense - the whole picture of the move-ups etc doesn't make sense. On a similar note - what do you make of Maidanas performances vs Broner & Mayweather I? He seemed like a different fighter than the one who was in there with Mayweather in the rematch. I know Ariza was in his camp for Broner/Mayweather I but then was let go by Garcia (without the reason being made public as far as I'm aware).
Great observation, Chris! He was on EPO for that fight. (Perhaps/probably other things as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) They get it from Mexico, from what I understand. He also clearly got some sort of substance in between rounds against Adrien Broner after Broner reclaimed momentum, which was caught on video. I don't know what that was, perhaps Storm has some knowledge regarding that?
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7dvfBU0TOo He later came out with an explanation but I obviously don't buy that BS. You can see in his eyes in the clip that he's up to no good. Overall -- and I know a lot of people won't like that explanation but I couldn't care less, this is conversation between us -- the first performance against Mayweather was super human. I kept scratching my head over and over. It was just like watching the Pacquiao that fought Cotto, complete with 1st round energy in the mid-rounds after 1) throwing hundreds of punches, 2) taking clean shots, 3) taking vicious body shots -- all without tiring. All factors will tire a man out visibly on their own. Combined? When the fight first started, at first I was like "Holy s***, he hurt Floyd!" Not a lot of people caught that, but Mayweather has been getting stunned in his last three fights. For a split second his leg turned stiff. Watch the left hook inside at 3:30 that catches Mayweather high on the cranium and upsets his equilibrium, just for a split second.
->https://youtu.be/4sMIS6GUIYw?t=3m30s Fortunately for Floyd, he has tremendous recuperative abilities (which you can see in that sequence; directly after the clinch and subsequent break his legs are fine again), can stay composed while hurt and has perhaps the greatest poker face in the game. But as the fight wore on, it kept looking more and more fishy to the point where it was ridiculously apparent. (Which led me to dig.) The thing is this -- and I've said this on several platforms -- a man that throws punches like Maidana did will fade. One of the ways Mayweather beats guys is by breaking them down. The easiest thing for him to do is if an opponent is "dumb" enough to overwhelm him with activity. He will then rely on his supberb defense to keep him safe while hitting you with shots in between, as they call it -- tagging a guy as he exhales while punching. Those are some of the worst, most debilitating body shots a man can take, from a stamina standpoint. (Except for the liver shot that just paralyzes you.) For comparison, a clean Shane Mosley (forget the "old" hypothesis) tried to unleash a barrage during the second round after hurting Mayweather. While Mosley was exerting himself trying to capitalize, Mayweather was stabbing him with short body shots in between. Stabbing him, stabbing him, over and over. (There's one video that actually caught this and broke it down but I haven't been able to find it.) After that 2nd round, Mosley was done. Completely finished. He started fading visibly, allowing the still-fresh Mayweather to fight at that 10% higher freshness he requires to tag you cleanly without ever really getting out of 2nd gear, which is where he likes to fight. It's safer that way. Watch this sequence; he enters a clinch (hits Mosley with a sneaky elbow on the way in for good measure), and goes directly for the stab, the short inside energy-sapping body shot).
->https://youtu.be/H35TyMPH4Zo?t=22m45s Then the first chance he gets after that, he does it again, which you can see at 23:08:
->https://youtu.be/H35TyMPH4Zo?t=23m8s Maidana was taking FAR worse shots underneath WHILE punching as well as exhaling (they're hard to detect in the heat of battle but I watched it slowly, taking pictures of the body shots, most of which made me wince because they were brutal), which will slow you down DRAMATICALLY. It's one thing to take a shot to the body when you're prepared for it. But as you're exhaling? Nah. Yet, I didn't see him fade all the way until the 7th or 8th round. And people said that Maidana faded against Floyd and would've won had he been in better shape. They obviously don't know what they're watching; dude had Tour De France stamina that night. So clearly, something went on behind the scenes, because all was fine and dandy in Garcia land right after. Then suddenly they wanted to go back to the old style, even though Maidana had fought the two best fights of his life. Come on. Doesn't take a genius to put that one together. I don't think it was an accident that Ariza suddenly showed up in Mayweather's camp for the rematch; they knew that performance wasn't human. From what I understand, his initial plan with that was just to sign him up so others couldn't use him. I think he's since decided to try some of his things out. I don't think it has necessarily helped Floyd, though. But absolutely, he signed him up so others (namely Pacquiao) couldn't use him.


-The Shadow :

Chris, not completely related, but since I mentioned it, I saw another sequence where Mosley now starts to worry about the elbow and defends it as Floyd tries to get in to stab him. As they get inside, they lock up, almost in a collar and elbow position. But now that Mosley -- an experienced seasoned world class fighter in his own right -- has so much to process beyond just punches, it still ends with the same outcome, a seemingly innocent but ultimately sapping body shot from Floyd, which is what happens to people with human endurance.
->https://youtu.be/H35TyMPH4Zo?t=25m33s Once Mayweather was done with his early-round dissection, he started tagging the tiring Mosley with clean head shots over and over.


-Chris L :

Thanks for the explanation. Yeah I remember seeing the clip where he seems to slip Maidana something in between the rounds before - definitely looks dodgy. You can see his fingers are pinched together as though they are holding something small - then just before the clip ends you can see Maidana taking in a huge breath through his nose (admittedly could just be gasping for air - but in the circumstances it all plays together). You're right about the body punches too - I just watched the full Mosley fight and they really did completely sap the energy out of Mosley. He looked gassed from the 3rd. You can see Mayweather getting a lot of sneaky body punches in whilst they are in clinches - (didn't watch the Maidana fight again apart from the clips you posted) does seem un-natural that anybody would be able to sustain a high level of activity whilst absorbing punishment like that; hell I've been on the receiving end of body punches that I've felt for a week. Floyd's recuperation is insane - in the second Maidana fight when he took that big right (I think it was just at the end of the 4th? When Maidana countered Floyds pull-back right) you could see his legs were in trouble when he sat down, but then they were ok again after the minute rest.


-stormcentre :

Great observation, Chris! He was on EPO for that fight. (Perhaps/probably other things as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) They get it from Mexico, from what I understand. He also clearly got some sort of substance in between rounds against Adrien Broner after Broner reclaimed momentum, which was caught on video. I don't know what that was, perhaps Storm has some knowledge regarding that?
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7dvfBU0TOo He later came out with an explanation but I obviously don't buy that BS. You can see in his eyes in the clip that he's up to no good. Overall -- and I know a lot of people won't like that explanation but I couldn't care less, this is conversation between us -- the first performance against Mayweather was super human. I kept scratching my head over and over. It was just like watching the Pacquiao that fought Cotto, complete with 1st round energy in the mid-rounds after 1) throwing hundreds of punches, 2) taking clean shots, 3) taking vicious body shots -- all without tiring. All factors will tire a man out visibly on their own. Combined? When the fight first started, at first I was like "Holy s***, he hurt Floyd!" Not a lot of people caught that, but Mayweather has been getting stunned in his last three fights. For a split second his leg turned stiff. Watch the left hook inside at 3:30 that catches Mayweather high on the cranium and upsets his equilibrium, just for a split second.
->https://youtu.be/4sMIS6GUIYw?t=3m30s Fortunately for Floyd, he has tremendous recuperative abilities (which you can see in that sequence; directly after the clinch and subsequent break his legs are fine again), can stay composed while hurt and has perhaps the greatest poker face in the game. But as the fight wore on, it kept looking more and more fishy to the point where it was ridiculously apparent. (Which led me to dig.) The thing is this -- and I've said this on several platforms -- a man that throws punches like Maidana did will fade. One of the ways Mayweather beats guys is by breaking them down. The easiest thing for him to do is if an opponent is "dumb" enough to overwhelm him with activity. He will then rely on his supberb defense to keep him safe while hitting you with shots in between, as they call it -- tagging a guy as he exhales while punching. Those are some of the worst, most debilitating body shots a man can take, from a stamina standpoint. (Except for the liver shot that just paralyzes you.) For comparison, a clean Shane Mosley (forget the "old" hypothesis) tried to unleash a barrage during the second round after hurting Mayweather. While Mosley was exerting himself trying to capitalize, Mayweather was stabbing him with short body shots in between. Stabbing him, stabbing him, over and over. (There's one video that actually caught this and broke it down but I haven't been able to find it.) After that 2nd round, Mosley was done. Completely finished. He started fading visibly, allowing the still-fresh Mayweather to fight at that 10% higher freshness he requires to tag you cleanly without ever really getting out of 2nd gear, which is where he likes to fight. It's safer that way. Watch this sequence; he enters a clinch (hits Mosley with a sneaky elbow on the way in for good measure), and goes directly for the stab, the short inside energy-sapping body shot).
->https://youtu.be/H35TyMPH4Zo?t=22m45s Then the first chance he gets after that, he does it again, which you can see at 23:08:
->https://youtu.be/H35TyMPH4Zo?t=23m8s Maidana was taking FAR worse shots underneath WHILE punching as well as exhaling (they're hard to detect in the heat of battle but I watched it slowly, taking pictures of the body shots, most of which made me wince because they were brutal), which will slow you down DRAMATICALLY. It's one thing to take a shot to the body when you're prepared for it. But as you're exhaling? Nah. Yet, I didn't see him fade all the way until the 7th or 8th round. And people said that Maidana faded against Floyd and would've won had he been in better shape. They obviously don't know what they're watching; dude had Tour De France stamina that night. So clearly, something went on behind the scenes, because all was fine and dandy in Garcia land right after. Then suddenly they wanted to go back to the old style, even though Maidana had fought the two best fights of his life. Come on. Doesn't take a genius to put that one together. I don't think it was an accident that Ariza suddenly showed up in Mayweather's camp for the rematch; they knew that performance wasn't human. From what I understand, his initial plan with that was just to sign him up so others couldn't use him. I think he's since decided to try some of his things out. I don't think it has necessarily helped Floyd, though. But absolutely, he signed him up so others (namely Pacquiao) couldn't use him.
Ariza, whilst in Floyd's camp pre MayPac seems to have, possibly, assisted with the definition of protocol and substance from the Mayweather side; per the USADA testing. EPO is a very hard PED to successfully test for unless you know the athlete's typical red blood cell production/count rates. Not in the least since Erythropoietin (EPO) is basically a synthetic version of a naturally occurring - within the human body - hormone, that stimulates red blood cell production, and therefore the bodies ability to transport oxygen. The increase in red blood cells not only improves the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood - it also usually increase the body's capacity to resist the symptoms of fatigue and those associated with the build-up of lactic acid. So synthetic EPO dramatically increases both performance and the ability to hold off fatigue; it's an important consideration to realize they are different performance characteristics. As, a cheetah can run fast and exhibit high levels of performance. But the price he/she pays for it is the relatively quick and high fatigue onset. This is, essentially, a good example of explosive and anaerobic (as opposed to aerobic) performance. Synthetic EPO can be, at times, legitimately prescribed by doctors to treat anaemia and/or low red blood cell counts, for people with cancer, kidney issues, even aids. Athletes, such as Lance Armstrong, who use EPO do so largely to improve endurance performance or to improve recovery from exercise. Lance Armstrong got away with it for so long for 2 main reasons; 1) Because testing procedures were not funded and up to the same standards of organization, as the cheating regimes. 2) An athlete can fairly and legitimately induce hypoxia and therefore naturally stimulate their red blood cell count so that synthetic EPO is almost impossible to detect. Particularly if that athlete's natural red blood cell count, along with the dips and peaks of it, are not known. Ariza would know, probably more than USADA, what type of testing regime would catch out and/or cause issues for a PED cheat.


-Froggy :

If I could would you promise to; understand it, acknowledge it, and not run from it Frog? :)
The name is Froggy, I don't read near as much as I used to on this forum because it has changed, and not for the better, but I get the impression Storm, that you only ask people to substantiate what they say if they disagree with you ! Also I am 62 yers old, retired for 5 years, how the hell do you have so much time for this forum ? You can't have a job ?


-stormcentre :

The name is Froggy, I don't read near as much as I used to on this forum because it has changed, and not for the better, but I get the impression Storm, that you only ask people to substantiate what they say if they disagree with you ! Also I am 62 yers old, retired for 5 years, how the hell do you have so much time for this forum ? You can't have a job ?
You're impressions are wrong and most likely due to the - admitted - fact you don't read well. Take the time (that you obviously have) to read my above posts; as usual with those that have subscribed to group mentality and bullying, all the answers you seek have already been provided and overlooked - regardless of whether the post is short, long, and/or paragraph numbered.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82825&viewfull=1#post82825 Perhaps it's the content of truth and fact that is the issue her Frog. And, yes, I know the forum is deteriorating. OMG it's a travesty. Now, finally, to your latest assumption - aside from what I have written above which answers and pro-actively debunks your claim about the
StormCentre's employment and time - please don't assume that the time, effort, and thought it would take you to equal the
StormCentre's output (let's leave experience for now) is the same as the the
StormCentre's; which surely can be the only premise your assumption/claim is true. Because, as has already been shown (and effectively admitted by yourself), there is no comparison; which is why you have made your incorrect assumptions and claims. As hard as those truths may be to swallow; I think Radam is probably available right about now for a good old "OMG the universe is going to the dogs" wine and carp. Give him and the crew a call. Enjoy. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

The name is Froggy, I don't read near as much as I used to on this forum because it has changed, and not for the better, but I get the impression Storm, that you only ask people to substantiate what they say if they disagree with you ! Also I am 62 yers old, retired for 5 years, how the hell do you have so much time for this forum ? You can't have a job ?
Your impressions/assumptions are wrong and most likely due to the - admitted/observed - fact that you don't read/check well; whether or not it is before making a personalised and/or other claim. You will find - that is if you want to look - that the
StormCentre has no issue with those that don't agree with him. More those that want to use falsehoods/lies to attack, be hypocrites, bully, and in general hate. For example, almost every attacking, extreme, and bullying post in this thread is just inaccurate, false, based on no checking, and/or a lie. Obviously those issues are not a concern for you; as I hear no croak from you in that regard. Now, the
StormCentre is not going to ask why, as the erroneous assumptions in your above/recent post tells the
StormCentre all he needs to know; such approaches are popular and thinking/checking is both too hard and almost always results in the acknowledgement of information that removes the justification that naivety provides. Anyway, rather than making the same mistake over and over as some do, please take the time (that you obviously have at 65) to read my above posts. Because, as usual with those that have subscribed to group mentality, false claims, and bullying, all the answers you seek have already been provided to you and overlooked; as the successive waves of retorting posts are pumped out - regardless of whether the
StormCentre post it's in response to is short, long, and/or paragraph numbered.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82825&viewfull=1#post82825 Put simply, for the most part, the posts that some people write themselves and/or respond to are simply not read before the next post on their behalf is pumped out; this has been proven time and time again - including now as your above post shows. Perhaps it's the content of truth and fact that is the issue here Frog. As that certainly seems to be where many are tripping up and also what they're (frog jumping and) galloping away from. And, yes, I know the forum is deteriorating since someone starting noticing the scale of lies, bullying and hypocrisy; still no-one forced the authors of those act's hand. OMG it's a travesty isn't it? Now, finally, to your latest assumption - aside from what I have written above (which you have obviously overlooked) which answers and pro-actively debunks your claim about the
StormCentre's employment and time - please don't assume that the time, effort, and thought (let's leave experience for now) it would take you to equal the
StormCentre's output is the same as the the
StormCentre's; which surely can be the only premise upon which your assumption/claim is true. Because, as has already been shown (and effectively admitted by yourself with the claim that one requires no job to equate the same output), there is no comparison. Which, no doubt, is why you have made your incorrect assumptions and claims. As hard as those truths may be to swallow, and whether you chose to accept them or not, that is fact. Now, I think Radam is probably available right about now for a good old "OMG the universe is going to the dogs" wine and carp. Give him and the crew a call. Jump up on his back. Enjoy. :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

The name is Froggy, I don't read near as much as I used to on this forum because it has changed, and not for the better, but I get the impression Storm, that you only ask people to substantiate what they say if they disagree with you ! Also I am 62 yers old, retired for 5 years, how the hell do you have so much time for this forum ? You can't have a job ?
Your impressions/assumptions are wrong and most likely due to the - admitted/observed - fact that you don't read/check well; whether or not it is before making a personalised and/or other claim. You will find - that is if you want to look - that the
StormCentre has no issue with those that don't agree with him. More those that want to use falsehoods/lies to attack, be hypocrites, bully, and in general hate. For example, almost every attacking, extreme, and bullying post in this thread is just inaccurate, false, based on no checking, and/or a lie. Obviously those issues are not a concern for you; as I hear no croak from you in that regard. I mean, this concerns you not . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82712&viewfull=1#post82712 As I hear no croak from you in that regard (and that is by no means the 1st that author has produced); almost as if it is OK to do this, but not speak of the truth? Same for the implicit offers of violence in the above posts. That's OK eh? Not as bad as the StormCentre's evil/wicked pursuit of truth, and/or worth doing anything about them; eh? OK, take a breather here as this post (unless I write it with no spaces) is getting long . . . Remember the rule about bullying; saying and doing nothing is the same as promoting it. And what a surprise we have here (at times, but especially when the lies and bullying runs rampant) a snake pit of, false, extreme, hypocritical, and bullying claims; that all go unnoticed. Whist - instead - the universe is said to be deteriorating with the presence of the truth and accountability. Funny that? Now, for someone whose 65, with all that life experience, the
StormCentre is just not sure whether he would be proud of having all that pass under my nose without both smelling, and doing something about, it. Take some time to think about it. Now, the
StormCentre is not going to ask why all this is the way it (sometimes) is. As the erroneous assumptions in your above/recent post tells the
StormCentre all he needs to know; such approaches are popular. Plus, why bother with it when doing that, and also thinking/checking is both too hard and almost always results in the acknowledgement of information that removes the posting-justification that naivety provides. OK, let's take a breather little here as this post (unless I write it with no spaces) is getting long, and starting to contain some naughty home truths and facts; mirror. Anyway, rather than making the same mistake over and over as some do, please take the time (that you obviously have at 65) to read my above/other posts. Because, as usual with those that have subscribed to group mentality, false claims, and bullying, all the answers you seek (and those that show your claims about the
StormCentre are not true/checked) have already been provided to you and overlooked; whilst the successive waves of retorting posts are simply pumped out - regardless of whether the
StormCentre post it's in response to is short, long, and/or paragraph numbered.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82825&viewfull=1#post82825 Put simply, in addition to the above considerations Frog, for the most part, the posts that some people write themselves and/or respond to, are simply not even read (is this clever?) before the next post on their behalf is pumped out; this has been proven time and time again - including now as your above post shows. Perhaps it's the content of truth and fact that is the issue here Frog. As that certainly seems to be where many are tripping up and also what they're (frog jumping and) galloping away from. OK, let's take another breather here as this post is getting long, and has some naughty home truths and facts. And, yes, I know the forum is deteriorating (not from bullying, and fast handed watermelon and cherry juice theories, and hating mind you; but ever) since someone starting noticing the scale of lies, bullying and hypocrisy; still no-one forced the authors of those act's hand. OMG it's a travesty isn't it? The majority always rules don't they; no matter what the principle? Now, finally, to your latest assumption - aside from what I have written above (which you have obviously overlooked) which both answers and pro-actively debunks your claim about the
StormCentre's employment and time; please don't assume that the time, effort, and thought (let's leave experience for now) it would take you to equal the
StormCentre's output in this forum is the same as the the
StormCentre's - which surely can be the only premise upon which your assumption/claim is true. Because, as has already been shown (and effectively admitted by yourself with the claim that one requires no job to equate the same output), there is no comparison. Which, no doubt, is why you have made your incorrect assumptions and claims. As hard as those truths may be to swallow, and whether you chose to accept them or not, that is fact. Now, I think Radam is probably available right about now for a good old "OMG the universe is going to the dogs" wine and carp. Give him and the crew a call. Jump up on his back. Enjoy. :) :) :)
PS: the
StormCentre, as always, welcomes anyone showing him - with proof - where (and why) he is wrong and unreasonable.
PPS: the
StormCentre is 278 years old. Read the above linked posts and others, to find out why.
PPPS: this is fun.