The Future Mystery of Mr. Mayweather

As I watched another one-sided bout for the one they call “Money”, I felt inspired as the match concluded. As my norm, since he continues to win, I leave Floyd Mayweather’s bouts with positive self talk in my head, comprehending that if one disciplines themselves, uses “hard work and dedication,” I and others can continue to experience life success.

As a psychiatrist by day, and fight fan by night, I utilize a lot of motivational tactics to support the growth of the usage of positive language and thought content to undo self-loathing and minimize the risk for depression and anxiety; these are tools Mr. Mayweather the fighter uses well.

As Mr. Mayweather spoke to the press the evening of his last fight, after his victory over Manny Pacquiao, I could not help but wonder if something different was happening in his mind. Yes, he has worked many years to perfect his boxing skills to assure greatness, but upon retirement, it is other skills, other tools which will be needed to assure continued success, no longer as a boxer, but as a man. Folks question his ability to handle conflict interpersonally, his ability to have empathy for others, and his lack of humility, so I am curious, I admit, to see how his arc plays out after he hangs up the gloves.

In my practice, I have worked with all realms of clientele, from CEOs to retired professional athletes. Regardless of status, Father Time begins to take away the big lights, the interviews, and the crowds of folks calling your name as a younger, hungrier generation takes the lens. We all must learn to adapt.

For this week, and many weeks and likely years still to come we will continue to admire Mayweather the fighter and follow his moves as he navigates his next fight and prepares for life after boxing. I thought for the briefest moment I appreciated at the press conference the nuances needed to assure emotional stability after boxing. He was diplomatic, respectful, and engaging with the media. Is it all a persona for the camera? Is “Money” a character as well? Yes, he still found a way to perseverate over the size of his check. Was this a showing of pending insecurity? Only Mr. Mayweather knows this truth.

I can only add that regardless of wealth accumulated, fame experienced, and all those cars and gadgets purchased, all of which on the surface make us feel better about ourselves, in the real adult world, it’s the simpler, timeless “prizes” which lead to a happy and successful life: healthy relationships, the ability to love ourselves when the camera is not rolling, and giving back to the community.

I hope Mr. Mayweather is getting ready for the greatest and most difficult fight of his life, the time when the in-the-ring fights are over, and he has ample free time on his hands, and fewer people caring about his every move. He may well find that a much harder foe to grapple with than the ones he bettered to reach 48-0.

Dr. Johnny Lops, a psychiatrist living in Brooklyn, NY, sees children and adults in his practice. His new book, Reinvent Yourself: Essential Tools from a Brooklyn Psychiatrist Who Has Seen It All, is now available online at Amazon and Barnes and Nobles.

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COMMENTS

-Kid Blast :

Huh? This is boxing!


-brownsugar :

Mayweather has his faults, that has been well publicised. But no one can deny that his discipline is of epic proportions. The guy hires a whole strip club for his boys, spends twenty G's on a truck load of champagne and doesn't smoke the ganja or sniff the coke? Every other boxer who had close to his type of success was in and out of rehab, paying child support to half a dozen women.... Or cross dressing. In the bible Sampson was commanded to never cut his hair and in doing so, he would retain his super strength. But then he got drunk once and lost it all. Some may argue whether or not if Mayweather has met his Delilah, but metaphorically speaking he never lost his hair, although his shiny dome might suggest otherwise. Floyd's skill is so deeply ingrained and densely accumulated, that even when he lost the ability punch to hard due to his fragile hands he still found a way to be victorious by relying on boxing skills.... He remained unbeated even when he was outweighed by 25 lbs or more. After his showdown with Manny, Floyd said he only had to hit Manny once with full force to be able to cause just enough concern in Manny to dictate the tempo, that's how calculating he is. Think what he could have accomplished in his career with two healthy hands? But that's the mystery of life, nobody's perfect, you can't have everything, ....be everything, but Floyd was as perfect as it gets as a fighter. I'm sure he will live on vicariously in the sport through his boxing management company.


-stormcentre :

Mayweather has his faults, that has been well publicised. But no one can deny that his discipline is of epic proportions. The guy hires a whole strip club for his boys, spends twenty G's on a truck load of champagne and doesn't smoke the ganja or sniff the coke? Every other boxer who had close to his type of success was in and out of rehab, paying child support to half a dozen women.... Or cross dressing. In the bible Sampson was commanded to never cut his hair and in doing so, he would retain his super strength. But then he got drunk once and lost it all. Some may argue whether or not if Mayweather has met his Delilah, but metaphorically speaking he never lost his hair, although his shiny dome might suggest otherwise. Floyd's skill is so deeply ingrained and densely accumulated, that even when he lost the ability punch to hard due to his fragile hands he still found a way to be victorious by relying on boxing skills.... He remained unbeated even when he was outweighed by 25 lbs or more. After his showdown with Manny, Floyd said he only had to hit Manny once with full force to be able to cause just enough concern in Manny to dictate the tempo, that's how calculating he is. Think what he could have accomplished in his career with two healthy hands? But that's the mystery of life, nobody's perfect, you can't have everything, ....be everything, but Floyd was as perfect as it gets as a fighter. I'm sure he will live on vicariously in the sport through his boxing management company.
Very good (and true) post.


-stormcentre :

Hmm . . Dr. Johnny Lops is a psychiatrist; man of science. Excellent, welcome; you're going to have a field day here in this forum. Aside from my Meth addiction (for which I have relapsed on numerous occasions); DonkeyDelusion can - at times - be both uncontrollably rampant and galloping wild. The only difficulty I see with this path for Lops is that in order for him to create a good prognosis and diagnosis the patient must be able to both comprehend and accurately answer questions; otherwise the illness/disease will undoubtedly continue to both fester and trick itself. :) :) :)


-Kid Blast :

Curiously, Mayweather has no tats either


-brownsugar :

Good observation KidBlast, was thinking the same thing, no piercings either, thats how you know he's almost 40 years old. Definitely old skool.


-Radam G :

Money May cracks me up. But I ain't got nuffin' but luv fo' him. He has legally robbed and conned the citizens of the United States of Amerika out of a quarter of a million dollars by 36 minutes of bulljiving, hugging and pugging with a cripple man. Hehehe! WTF! Only in America. No matter how the Yanks try to spin, Money May got over with big TIME in a Farce of the Century. Holla!


-The Shadow :

Money May cracks me up. But I ain't got nuffin' but luv fo' him. He has legally robbed and conned the citizens of the United States of Amerika out of a quarter of a million dollars by 36 minutes of bulljiving, hugging and pugging with a cripple man. Hehehe! WTF! Only in America. No matter how the Yanks try to spin, Money May got over with big TIME in a Farce of the Century. Holla!
Man, you should've warned us if you knew he was injured...


-Radam G :

Man, you should've warned us if you knew he was injured...
It depends on what you consider a warning. Those in the loop of the poop was on to my scoop back in April. Both fighters were injured in sparring. I said that right in this Universe. I clearly told how Money May was not sparring because of lip and hands damage. And Da Manny was not getting busy with it because of a little sumptin-sumtin "popping off." We had no way of knowing that the corrupted NSAC were go to deny medicine when USADA said that it was okay to take. You, my friend, need to get jiggy with the code talk of da game. BTW! Negotiations are underway for fight two at the new MGM arena that will be finished in time. Holla!


-Robert Curtis :

I finally watched the whole hundred dollar fight for free. It wasn't as bad as everyone says. Not a snoozer. Some good action here and there. However, Floyd did no more than he had to do, staying outside, and fighting defensively as much as he could. Manny let Floyd control distances the whole night. Manny needed to be out of range, or in range. Instead, he stayed right where Floyd could tap him for easy points. Guys this close to 40 shouldn't be boxing. Any sucker who paid the whole 99.99 just helped them write their abundant retirement checks. Boxing used to be close and available to working people, as both fans and athletes. Now it's so far away. If these geezers May and Mannyweather have a rematch, I'll be on vacation. Floyd has great skills as a defensive boxer and offensive earner, but he's no Ali or Sugar Ray 1 or 2. Manny should have retired at 33 like Smoking Joe Frazier. Small guys don't last fighting above their natural weight. Sorry I have been a stranger here to The Sweet Science. No excuse. No apology is enough. I don't observe the game often enough to talk intelligently about it. But I'll always love and root for it.


-stormcentre :

My way of thinking is that these (below) are the things that we do know for a fact about Pacquaio, and some - if not all of them - are considerations that even Pacquaio?s fans themselves can't meaningfully and/or accurately answer. Why is that?
Warning 1; if your PacQueen sentence limit is greater than 3; please do not PacContinue without a day's break after each set of 3 sentences. As whilst I have placed numbered sentences in there for you the truth may be a bit confronting.
Warning 2; if you will - no matter what - always allow yourself to believe that; (1) the earth is flat, (2) Pacquaio won, (3) Pacquaio and Roach were not fraudulent, (4) Floyd is evil, (5) there is no accountability for anything we say and do whilst at the same time we can feel comfortable trying to hang accountability unfairly on Floyd, and that (6) never ever meaningfully explaining is a worthwhile religion - just as it?s doctrine of ?the facts and truth are a lie? is, and that that same doctrine is both gospel to be believed and therefore should never be questioned; then look away as this post and the questions and truths within it will probably not make you happy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Pacquaio was beaten by Morales, but later avenged the loss. 2) Pac got iced by Marquez. 3) Floyd owned Marquez. 4) Floyd is unbeaten. 5) Pac committed perjury and lied on the NSAC form (that was used as a means to obtain an injection), including that section where he marked/ticked ?no? and offered no explanation; a section that asks about injuries. 6) Within boxing?s history; Pacquaio has probably has one of the - if not the - most spectacular rise through weight divisions as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight. 6a) One of the reasons for Pacquaio?s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio?s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions he has scaled is because as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight, he has retained his power and been able to, even in the higher weight divisions that he has campaigned in (but often not without a catch weight advantage), stop and/or KO guys; which is almost completely unheard of throughout boxings? entire history. 6b) Another reason for Pacquaio?s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio?s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions that he has scaled is because during the years prior to the recent MayPac fight when the negotiations for the same fight were initiated Pacquaio refused to take blood tests as Floyd requested. At this time Ariza was in Pacquaio?s camp feeding him the drinks and/or other substances that he refused to explain to Roach when asked, and the PacRoachReasons given by PacRoach for Pacquaio not taking the tests were along the (seemingly incredible) lines that Pacquaio doesn?t like needles and/or giving blood. Roach would, in later years, and on video, admit that they (PacRoach) screwed up the negotiations for a MayPac fight back then. 7) The cloud of performance enhancing drug use - even before Roach and Arum (publicly, on video, and in Pacquaio?s presence, and without PacJuices? objection) all but completely confirmed it - has always hung over Pacquaio?s performances; due to his ability to not only hardly ever seem to lose ?power? as he rose through the weight divisions - but also due to his seemingly endless ability to fight with unseen before intensity and remain tireless. 8) Floyd has not been the only prominent boxing figure to raise concerns about Pacquaio?s performances. 9) Pacquaio - only hours prior to the MayPac fight and whilst looking for an injection - questionably signed the NSCA form in a manner that defies belief, and therefore committed perjury. This took place after both PacRoach claimed Floyd was scared, and after Pacquaio had just been through what probably constitutes Pacquaio?s most heaviest performance enhancing drug testing phase, ever. 10) By concealing the ?injury? for weeks whilst it was allegedly known, then populating the NSAC form fraudulently and also unprofessionally delivering it to the NSAC on hours before the fight and at a time when the NSAC had minimal time themselves; PacRoachArum not only (effectively) attempted to ?play? the NSAC - but also effectively used the fraudulent/dodgy NSAC form as a means to obtain an ?injection? only hours before the fight (without announcing/defining the ?injury? properly and previously) and in such a manner that presents the following facts and/or considerations; 10a) Had PacJuice ?accidentally? managed to be found with a banned substance in his body (in addition to the ?injection? that USADA was said to have approved; despite the absence of paperwork proof to support that and other related Arum claims) the widest berth possible would have then been created for PacExcuses (which by the way had already started prior to the fight) explaining the banned substances? presence; due to not only how the NSAC form was fraudulently populated - but also the manner in which PacRoachArum attempted to get the NSAC to agree to their requests, become a scapegoat, and effectively ?work at risk?. 10b) In the (inevitable) event of a PacLoss outcome arising from the MayPac fight; by approaching the NSAC in such a fraudulent manner and by also coercing them to become compromised and legally liable, creates and serves as an extremely powerful and malleable ?PacLossExcuse?; keeping the dream and gravy train alive. 11) Currently Pacquaio has not released medical confirmation defining not only the true nature and extent of the injury - but also confirming when the injury actually first existed; therefore making it almost impossible to know whether a typical gym injury has just been ?sat on? and then brought out of the shed for the above-mentioned curiously managed purposes. 12) Currently the NSAC and/or any related other person/body appears to have claimed to have been presented (by PacRoach) with documented proof of what Pacquaio?s injury really was when it was first defined; allowing us to know how long PacRoachArum sat on the injury and when/whom they told. 13) The NSAC doctors and specialists claim to have examined Pacquaio and to have also spoke with those PacRoach and/or Arum claimed were familiar with the PacJuice Injury. Based on this, the assessment that the NSAC performed, and based on PacRoachArum?s final decision, Pacquaio was allowed to fight Floyd without any injection that was publicly known of. 14) During the MayPac fight there was absolutely no visible evidence of Pacquaio wincing and/or nursing a rotator cuff injury of the extent to which were are expected explains a PacLoss. Accordingly, all that we have to support such a claim is PacRoachArum and PacQueens assertions that allege that a rotator cuff injury was responsible for Pacquaio?s low right hand output (and PacLoss); which not only appear to directly conflict with fight video revealing how Pacquaio actually used the right arm/shoulder/hand in the fight in numerous ways - but also ask us to trust MayPac identities that have already proven that they are less than forthright with the public, bookmakers, commissions, and Floyd. 15) Currently Indonesia had a public holiday to celebrate Floyd outsmarting and beating Pacquaio. 16) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio?s injury was the reason that he lost the fight; yet despite claiming to know of the injury weeks and possibly months before the fight, they - in direct conflist with most that are sitting on a fight-losing injury - still released wildly confident and absurd predictions of a KO win; strangely right up to the days preceding the fight. Almost as if they knew the shoulder injury was more of a get out of jail free card in the event they didn?t win; rather than the genuine fight-stopping and truly steroid-injection-requiring grievances that we were all - (but only) post MayPac - told. 17) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio?s injury was the reason that he lost the fight and didn?t perform well; yet according to PacRoach and PacQueens, it is Floyd?s fault the fight was not all it was promised/meant to be. 18) As touched on above; Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit (publicly on video and whilst Pacquaio is present and without objection) that Pacquaio has been using PEDs, particularly when Ariza was in his camp. 19) Almost all Pacquaio?s recent/big wins (by KO or not) have involved Ariza (and therefore the strong possibility of PEDs; as Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit he has been using PEDs) and/or a catch-weight and/or has involved fighting guys that Floyd had already beaten. 20) No Floyd or Pacquaio common opponents predicted a Pacquaio win when interviewed on the ?Legends Sspeak? video. 21) For the first time in a long time when both operating at/around welterweight and with a top level fighter; with his losing fight against Floyd, Pacquaio was confirmed to not be using PEDs and/or a catch -weight advantage. 22) Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs; this was before the above-mentioned circumstance where Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst successfully fighting and winning via catch weight contracts. 23) After Pacquaio sat near both Arum and Roach at that above-mentioned time when they all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst at the same time fighting and winning via catch weight contracts; Pacquaio opted not to sue Arum and/or Roach for effectively confirming (Floyd?s suspicions and alleging) Pacquaio was using PEDs via drinks Ariza gave him but would not explain when asked; which (the bolded part) itself, is remarkably similar to a circumstance that is not at all unlike some PacQueens. 24) During the MayPac fight there was no evidence of the old and almost fatigueless Pacquaio that we have all previously seen before; such as when Ariza was in his camp and catch weights were the order of the day. 25) Roach and Pacquaio - via the above-mentioned circumstances and fraudulent behavior they have admitted to - effectively ripped off the majority of bookmakers and Casinos in the world by concealing Pacquaio?s alleged injury and then failing to comply with obligations pertaining to not only announcing and treating injuries appropriately - but also seeking consideration from the NSAC. To add to it all, when the aforementioned tactics didn?t work, they then set about making PacExcuses and also attacking the integrity and professionalism of the NSAC - whom - based on the available evidence - appear to have acted completely professionally and appropriately. 26) Had PacRoach treated the ?injury? appropriately, unambiguously, and professionally, and had they announced it when it was first known, the ?injury? then would have been virtually impossible to be used not only as a means to mask any PED agent - but as a PacLossExcuse. 27) Arum?s claims about USADA seemingly approving the ?injection? PacJuice was planning to have on the 11th hour and just prior to the MayPac fight - via the fraudulent NSAC paperwork - claims that were released in a manner and with strong overtones that infer/suggest that there was no reason for NSAC to not ?fall in line? on the ?PacRoachInjectionPapworkFraud?; (even aside from the overlooked and most likely missing accurate paperwork trail between both USADA and the NSAC that PacRoacArum have conveniently failed to describe) fall so dismally short of explaining the whole story that it is as if they live in PacQueenDonkeyWonderland. 28) Arum?s claims that the NSAC were notified earlier than that time when PacJuice - via fraudulent paperwork - wanted to obtain NSAC approval for an injection (injections?); are not only unsubstantiated - but also in direct conflict with the NSAC themselves. 29) Furthermore, Arum (a lawyer and someone that is almost always constantly involved in some form of litigation) claims in relation to having contacted the NSAC prior to the night of the MayPac fight when the above-mentioned means were used to obtain a PacInjection for Pacquaio; are, unfortunately, associated not only with no phone records - but also without any proof that such communication-content ever existed and/or took place. 30) When Arum first made the above-mentioned NSAC communication claim, at that time, he seemed to fail to hint at and/or appropriately announce the fraudulent paperwork (that had already then been forwarded and/or discovered) could have been and/or had been used to obtain; 30a) A PacInjection pertaining to a (previously and questionably concealed) shoulder injury that the signed NSAC PacPaperwork fraudulently claimed didn?t exist. 30b) A PacInjection (PED related or otherwise) that was outside of the intended purposes that the NSAC could have been reasonably expected to approve based on the dodgy paperwork (that, in its fraudulently forwarded form, left it unbelievably wide open to, later and after the fact, not only argue that other substances may have been necessary - but to also shift blame; as we see has happened with Arum and PacLossExcuse). 30c) A PacLossExcuse. 31) To put it mildly; Roach and Pacquaio (and PacQueens) talked an extremely good game before the fight; but delivered very little in it. 32) Floyd, by comparison, and aside from remaining confident of a win, hardly talked before the fight; but still delivered the win via a strategy that PacRoach not only claimed to be boring - but also claimed to be very prepared and familiar with - despite having absolutely no answer for it. 33) This above-mentioned lack of preMayPac disquiet on Floyd?s part was assumed and claimed by many a PacQueen and also PacRoach to be evidence of Floyd?s fear. 34) Pacquaio did not manage to break either of Floyd?s typically used defences; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 35) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd?s straight right hand that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 36) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd?s left hook that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 37) Pacquaio did not manage to capitalize on Floyd?s allegedly shot legs that, we were told, he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 38) Contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout; Pacquaio not only didn?t manage to KO Floyd - but he was unable to effectively apply any pressure even though Floyd slowed the fight down to a pace that suited him and - according to the PacBrigade - fought a fight that involved little attacking on Floyd?s part; therefore offering more opportunities for Pacquaio to do all that he and Roach predicted. 39) No-one (including PacQueens) yet appears to (want to know about, let alone) have explained why the specialists that were allegedly familiar with Pacquaio?s ?steroid requiring 2 hours before the fight and with fraudulent paperwork injury? (when they were consulted by the NSAC) not only came to same conclusion as the NSAC did - but also expressed to the NSAC that the PacInjury didn?t warrant a PacInjection. 40) No-one appears to have yet meaningfully and/or publicly considered the NSAC?s role and responsibility in this matter. Particularly given that Pacquaio has a reasonably well defined PED history (Arum and Roach have effectively admitted it) and that he has also - selectively - chosen who he litigates with in relation to those that have claimed Pacquaio uses performance enhancing drugs. 41) Not to mention that the subject of the aforementioned (point 40 and others) ?PacPerformance enhancing drugs allegation litigation? (that Pacquaio himself {and probably Arum} initiated) just happened to be against the very same person that Pacquaio was fighting, on the same night that Pacquaio himself also used fraudulent NSAC paperwork in an attempt to obtain an 11th hour advantage (whether justified or not) - that could have also been an advantage that served to excuse and/or mask performance enhancing drugs; whilst at the same time (the NSAC must also consider all this and that) Pacquaio has opted to not litigate against Arum and Roach whom have all but completely confirmed that the Floyd-PED-allegation (that Pacquaio initially sued Floyd over) was in fact - contrary to Pacquaio?s writ?s claims - true. 42) Why would Pacquaio sue Floyd for Floyd?s (seemingly) false claims that Pacquaio was using performance enhancing drugs to achieve his boxing success, and then not sue and/or treat both Roach and Arum the same? When both Roach and Arum, whom - insofar as Pacquaio?s writ against Floyd and the definitions within it pertaining to damages was concerned - clearly have caused Pacquaio at least the same amount of reputational damage by their public admissions? ? Could it be that Pacquaio knows that, should he take the ArumRoach performance enhancing drug confirmation and ?damages? matter to court against both Arum and/or Roach, he would certainly lose against them (as they know the truth; a truth that appears to have been withheld from the Pacquaio V Mayweather court case in a similar fashion to how the PacInjury was withheld and then sued to suit), and then - in that situation - open the door for Floyd to reverse the previous court decision? ? Or could it be that - despite the (now questionable) Pacquaio V Mayweather court case (and all the Pacquaio claims within it) that was ultimately awarded to Pacquaio - there really are no genuine damages in relation to this matter; because Floyd?s allegations were spot on the MoneyMay? ? Take a deep breath before answering that one ladies, gentlemen, realists, and PacQueens. 43) Before the fight both PacRoach and PacQueens vehemently claimed that Floyd?s legs were shot - then after the fight (in true PacLossExcuseQueen form) the same people claimed that Floyd ran too much. A good question may be how did Floyd do this (run) with shot legs? 44) Before the MayPac fight PacQueens began to construct a theory that seemed to almost perfectly allow for a positive performance enhancing drug test-result - one that Pacquaio was yet to throw. Whilst boxing is no stranger to and, to some extent relies upon (particularly promotion wise), shaded faith and also those whom are relatively easily marketed to and susceptible to the image of a fighter knocking another down, this kind of conspiracy theorizing took it (and the associated humor) to another level entirely; with wild claims that were vehemently forwarded pertaining to how Al Haymon could possibly setting setting up a false positive test-result for PacJuice - whom actually, at that very time, was most likely PacRoach working out how to both, best to play the shoulder for all its worth and continue with the FloydHate ?FalseKO? predictions. ? So a good question may be, how did - prior to the fight - some PacQueens know that PacJuice may actually need a PacJuiceLossExcuse after it? ? Was it a PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition? ? Taking in all the above-mentioned considerations and also the plethora of unanswered questions surrounding how Pacquaio not only went about clandestinely managing and/or announcing his ?injury? - but also how PacRoach attempted to fraudulently utilize the injury in the most ambiguous and dishonest manner so that it yielded the widest possible range of both, ?NSAC approved treatments and/or injections? and excuses; it sure sounds like it. 45) Before the fight PacRoach and some PacQueens claimed Floyd?s sparring with Zab (and others) would not assist him. However, during the fight not only was Floyd mostly undeterred by Pacquaio?s speed (and so called brilliant footwork) - but Floyd also controlled distance, timed, and easily wrong footed Pacquaio beautifully; all throughout the entire 12 rounds. ? On almost every occasion that Floyd repetitively used these tactics on Pacquaio; not only did Pacquaio largely fail to adjust whilst roach failed to offer any counteracting advice - but Pacquaio also kept doing the same things, which only further substantiated that both Pacquaio and Roach - contrary to all their pre-fight claims - really had no alternative plans and/or means to adapt. ? Furthermore, and notwithstanding all the above-mentioned considerations including those pertaining to PEDs and catch-weights; Pacquaio displayed no speed that was better than Zab Judah has previously shown. Same for Pacquaio?s much hailed footwork; it simply didn?t matter as he could not catch and cut the ring off in relation to a ?cursed 38 year fighter whom had shot legs?. Please offer video proof of the fight if you disagree with this claim. 46) Given that Pacquaio was the dignified and exalted boxer of the decade whom had miraculously moved up all the weight divisions whilst retaining his KO ?power?, and that he was also destined to KO Floyd; whom were relentlessly told was; scared, didn?t want to make the fight, had shot legs, had the curse of 38, had no answer to Pacquaio?s footwork and hand-speed, chopped bad wood, swam scared, sparred the wrong fighters, came from a family that all were KO?d in their biggest challenges, and participated in (unsubstantiated) blood doping via vampire facials . . . . it is truly amazing that the below and above-mentioned (often overlooked) points, considerations and questions still loom at large over the PacLossExcuseLandscape . . . almost like StormClouds that no meteorological bureau or PacQueenLossExcuseEstablishment seems to be both willing and able to explain. 47) Pac lost. 48) And (unless anyone can both accurately and meaningfully tackle the above questions and considerations {which are by no means the complete set} whilst not running from the mere possibility of explaining), that is the end. 49)
Outcome and loss termed in the best possible way for Pacquaio; PacRoach not only mismanaged an injury of an unspecified origin/nature in a manner they knew was inappropriate and wrong whilst they also attempted to manipulate both process and the NSAC in order to obtain the green light for ambiguous and potentially unspecified/unlimited ?injection and other treatments? - but also in doing so, they defrauded many people, bookmakers, betters, and some organizations; whilst on their way to losing to someone that is - regardless of whether you appreciate his personality and fighting style or not - both a better boxer than Pacquaio and also one of the finest technical and ?stylistically defensive? fighters of the last few decades, if not the century. 50) Floyd resorted to none of the above-mentioned PacRoachArum pre/post fight tactics and claims. 51) Floyd, won, is the victor, and is the superior boxer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please, if you think I have it wrong, I am OK with that.
In that case, please state what sentence/point it is that you think I have it wrong and offer tangible proof and not PacLossExcuse fan boy public toilet wall CherryPacJuice paint. Before you put finger to keyboard though, please also ask yourself why all these questions are both PacQueen and PacRoachArum outstanding and currently ran from; whilst - after the fact - Floyd?s criminal and other past (that he has more than paid the price for) is being dragged up. There's usually a reason why so many questions are both unpopular and unanswered - particularly when they pertain to matters of interest, accountability, and embarrassment. Personally the easy questions I?d like to have answered and so far have been PacQueen run from are as follows . . . 1) Why Pac didn't sue Arum and Roach for effectively admitting Pac was on the juice? 2) Why - only the day before and/or hours before the fight - the PacEntourage including Roach was still telling all that Pac was going to KO Floyd; if Pac's shoulder was so injured that it served as a reason/excuse for both; a) An injection associated with all the above considerations. b) Pacquaio losing the fight. 3) Why did Pacquaio and team (which includes Kontz, Roach, Arum, and all Top Rank?s legal and other services and experience with how to deal with these ?matters?) fraudulently populate the NSAC form, and then when discovered fail to announce that fact; instead resorting to unsubstantiated claims, misdirection, and blaming others; in what was billed as the biggest fight of the century? 4) What are the relationships between; a) No catch-weight advantage for Pacquaio. b) Stringent PED testing. c) The manner in which PacRoach concealed the PacSteroidRequiringInjury. d) What the official/original medical diagnosis and date is. e) What the official medical diagnosis and/or opinion was that the NSAC formed in conjunction with Pacquaio?s specialists; when they opted not to allow Pacquaio to inject based on the fraudulent NSAC form. f) The manner in which PacRoach approached NSAC form completion. g) What PacRoach would have done had the NSAC not spotted the NSAC PacFraud. h) How much PacRoach led with their mouths before the fight. i) Pacquaio?s lack of the usual inexhaustible energy. And, Manny Pacquaio?s loss. I?m not holding my breath on conclusive, tangible, accurate, and detailed answers. What I am expecting to see, is a lot of Donkey Dust as he wildly gallops and Hee-Haws off into the distance completely unaware of all that was said, squirted and posted prior to MayPac. Sorry about the long post Queens (and I know that does not apply to most of you) but I did some short posts the other day in a effort to get a rationale debate and answers, but that still, sadly, only resulted in DonkeyMagicGlitterDust; so clearly the issue is not (as some claim) with post length. Perhaps it?s the naughty probing content and it?s naughty owner;
StormCentre. Love use all.
?The Truth Is Not Only Always The Easiest To Remember - But It Also Means You Have To Run Away From Questions Less?.
PS: including the above post, currently I have not written about the PacLoss & FloydEasyWin fight more than 1/10th of that which we PacQueen received prior to the MayPac fight. Just keeping it real !!!!! :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

My way of thinking is that these (below) are the things that we do know for a fact about Pacquaio, and some - if not all of them - are considerations that even Pacquaio?s fans themselves can't meaningfully and/or accurately answer. Why is that; is not an unreasonable question if haters we do not profess to be?
Warning 1; if your PacQueen sentence limit is greater than 3; please do not PacContinue without a day's break after each set of 3 sentences. As whilst I have placed numbered sentences in there for you the truth may be a bit confronting.
Warning 2; if you will - no matter what - always allow yourself to believe that; (1) the earth is flat, (2) Pacquaio won, (3) Pacquaio and Roach were not fraudulent, (4) Floyd is evil, (5) there is no accountability for anything we say and do whilst at the same time we can feel comfortable trying to hang accountability unfairly on Floyd, and that (6) never ever meaningfully explaining is a worthwhile religion - just as it?s doctrine of ?the facts and truth are a lie? is, and that that same doctrine is both gospel to be believed and therefore should never be questioned; then look away as this post and the questions and truths within it will probably not make you happy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Pacquaio was beaten by Morales, but later avenged the loss. 2) Pac got iced by Marquez. 3) Floyd owned Marquez. 4) Floyd is unbeaten. 5) Pac committed perjury and lied on the NSAC form (that was used as a means to obtain an injection), including that section where he marked/ticked ?no? and offered no explanation; a section that asks about injuries. 6) Within boxing?s history; Pacquaio has probably has one of the - if not the - most spectacular rise through weight divisions as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight. 6a) One of the reasons for Pacquaio?s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio?s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions he has scaled is because as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight, he has retained his power and been able to, even in the higher weight divisions that he has campaigned in (but often not without a catch weight advantage), stop and/or KO guys; which is almost completely unheard of throughout boxings? entire history. 6b) Another reason for Pacquaio?s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio?s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions that he has scaled is because during the years prior to the recent MayPac fight when the negotiations for the same fight were initiated Pacquaio refused to take blood tests as Floyd requested. At this time Ariza was in Pacquaio?s camp feeding him the drinks and/or other substances that he refused to explain to Roach when asked, and the PacRoachReasons given by PacRoach for Pacquaio not taking the tests were along the (seemingly incredible) lines that Pacquaio doesn?t like needles and/or giving blood. Roach would, in later years, and on video, admit that they (PacRoach) screwed up the negotiations for a MayPac fight back then. 7) The cloud of performance enhancing drug use - even before Roach and Arum (publicly, on video, and in Pacquaio?s presence, and without PacJuices? objection) all but completely confirmed it - has always hung over Pacquaio?s performances; due to his ability to not only hardly ever seem to lose ?power? as he rose through the weight divisions - but also due to his seemingly endless ability to fight with unseen before intensity and remain tireless. 8) Floyd has not been the only prominent boxing figure to raise concerns about Pacquaio?s performances. 9) Pacquaio - only hours prior to the MayPac fight and whilst looking for an injection - questionably signed the NSCA form in a manner that defies belief, and therefore committed perjury. This took place after both PacRoach claimed Floyd was scared, and after Pacquaio had just been through what probably constitutes Pacquaio?s most heaviest performance enhancing drug testing phase, ever. 10) By concealing the ?injury? for weeks whilst it was allegedly known, then populating the NSAC form fraudulently and also unprofessionally delivering it to the NSAC on hours before the fight and at a time when the NSAC had minimal time themselves; PacRoachArum not only (effectively) attempted to ?play? the NSAC - but also effectively used the fraudulent/dodgy NSAC form as a means to obtain an ?injection? only hours before the fight (without announcing/defining the ?injury? properly and previously) and in such a manner that presents the following facts and/or considerations; 10a) Had PacJuice ?accidentally? managed to be found with a banned substance in his body (in addition to the ?injection? that USADA was said to have approved; despite the absence of paperwork proof to support that and other related Arum claims) the widest berth possible would have then been created for PacExcuses (which by the way had already started prior to the fight) explaining the banned substances? presence; due to not only how the NSAC form was fraudulently populated - but also the manner in which PacRoachArum attempted to get the NSAC to agree to their requests, become a scapegoat, and effectively ?work at risk?. 10b) In the (inevitable) event of a PacLoss outcome arising from the MayPac fight; by approaching the NSAC in such a fraudulent manner and by also coercing them to become compromised and legally liable, creates and serves as an extremely powerful and malleable ?PacLossExcuse?; keeping the dream and gravy train alive. 11) Currently Pacquaio has not released medical confirmation defining not only the true nature and extent of the injury - but also confirming when the injury actually first existed; therefore making it almost impossible to know whether a typical gym injury has just been ?sat on? and then brought out of the shed for the above-mentioned curiously managed purposes. 12) Currently the NSAC and/or any related other person/body appears to have claimed to have been presented (by PacRoach) with documented proof of what Pacquaio?s injury really was when it was first defined; allowing us to know how long PacRoachArum sat on the injury and when/whom they told. 13) The NSAC doctors and specialists claim to have examined Pacquaio and to have also spoke with those PacRoach and/or Arum claimed were familiar with the PacJuice Injury. Based on this, the assessment that the NSAC performed, and based on PacRoachArum?s final decision, Pacquaio was allowed to fight Floyd without any injection that was publicly known of. 14) During the MayPac fight there was absolutely no visible evidence of Pacquaio wincing and/or nursing a rotator cuff injury of the extent to which were are expected explains a PacLoss. Accordingly, all that we have to support such a claim is PacRoachArum and PacQueens assertions that allege that a rotator cuff injury was responsible for Pacquaio?s low right hand output (and PacLoss); which not only appear to directly conflict with fight video revealing how Pacquaio actually used the right arm/shoulder/hand in the fight in numerous ways - but also ask us to trust MayPac identities that have already proven that they are less than forthright with the public, bookmakers, commissions, and Floyd. 15) Currently Indonesia had a public holiday to celebrate Floyd outsmarting and beating Pacquaio. 16) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio?s injury was the reason that he lost the fight; yet despite claiming to know of the injury weeks and possibly months before the fight, they - in direct conflist with most that are sitting on a fight-losing injury - still released wildly confident and absurd predictions of a KO win; strangely right up to the days preceding the fight. Almost as if they knew the shoulder injury was more of a get out of jail free card in the event they didn?t win; rather than the genuine fight-stopping and truly steroid-injection-requiring grievances that we were all - (but only) post MayPac - told. 17) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio?s injury was the reason that he lost the fight and didn?t perform well; yet according to PacRoach and PacQueens, it is Floyd?s fault the fight was not all it was promised/meant to be. 18) As touched on above; Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit (publicly on video and whilst Pacquaio is present and without objection) that Pacquaio has been using PEDs, particularly when Ariza was in his camp. 19) Almost all Pacquaio?s recent/big wins (by KO or not) have involved Ariza (and therefore the strong possibility of PEDs; as Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit he has been using PEDs) and/or a catch-weight and/or has involved fighting guys that Floyd had already beaten. 20) No Floyd or Pacquaio common opponents predicted a Pacquaio win when interviewed on the ?Legends Sspeak? video. 21) For the first time in a long time when both operating at/around welterweight and with a top level fighter; with his losing fight against Floyd, Pacquaio was confirmed to not be using PEDs and/or a catch -weight advantage. 22) Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs; this was before the above-mentioned circumstance where Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst successfully fighting and winning via catch weight contracts. 23) After Pacquaio sat near both Arum and Roach at that above-mentioned time when they all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst at the same time fighting and winning via catch weight contracts; Pacquaio opted not to sue Arum and/or Roach for effectively confirming (Floyd?s suspicions and alleging) Pacquaio was using PEDs via drinks Ariza gave him but would not explain when asked; which (the bolded part) itself, is remarkably similar to a circumstance that is not at all unlike some PacQueens. 24) During the MayPac fight there was no evidence of the old and almost fatigueless Pacquaio that we have all previously seen before; such as when Ariza was in his camp and catch weights were the order of the day. 25) Roach and Pacquaio - via the above-mentioned circumstances and fraudulent behavior they have admitted to - effectively ripped off the majority of bookmakers and Casinos in the world by concealing Pacquaio?s alleged injury and then failing to comply with obligations pertaining to not only announcing and treating injuries appropriately - but also seeking consideration from the NSAC. To add to it all, when the aforementioned tactics didn?t work, they then set about making PacExcuses and also attacking the integrity and professionalism of the NSAC - whom - based on the available evidence - appear to have acted completely professionally and appropriately. 26) Had PacRoach treated the ?injury? appropriately, unambiguously, and professionally, and had they announced it when it was first known, the ?injury? then would have been virtually impossible to be used not only as a means to mask any PED agent - but as a PacLossExcuse. 27) Arum?s claims about USADA seemingly approving the ?injection? PacJuice was planning to have on the 11th hour and just prior to the MayPac fight - via the fraudulent NSAC paperwork - claims that were released in a manner and with strong overtones that infer/suggest that there was no reason for NSAC to not ?fall in line? on the ?PacRoachInjectionPapworkFraud?; (even aside from the overlooked and most likely missing accurate paperwork trail between both USADA and the NSAC that PacRoacArum have conveniently failed to describe) fall so dismally short of explaining the whole story that it is as if they live in PacQueenDonkeyWonderland. 28) Arum?s claims that the NSAC were notified earlier than that time when PacJuice - via fraudulent paperwork - wanted to obtain NSAC approval for an injection (injections?); are not only unsubstantiated - but also in direct conflict with the NSAC themselves. 29) Furthermore, Arum (a lawyer and someone that is almost always constantly involved in some form of litigation) claims in relation to having contacted the NSAC prior to the night of the MayPac fight when the above-mentioned means were used to obtain a PacInjection for Pacquaio; are, unfortunately, associated not only with no phone records - but also without any proof that such communication-content ever existed and/or took place. 30) When Arum first made the above-mentioned NSAC communication claim, at that time, he seemed to fail to hint at and/or appropriately announce the fraudulent paperwork (that had already then been forwarded and/or discovered) could have been and/or had been used to obtain; 30a) A PacInjection pertaining to a (previously and questionably concealed) shoulder injury that the signed NSAC PacPaperwork fraudulently claimed didn?t exist. 30b) A PacInjection (PED related or otherwise) that was outside of the intended purposes that the NSAC could have been reasonably expected to approve based on the dodgy paperwork (that, in its fraudulently forwarded form, left it unbelievably wide open to, later and after the fact, not only argue that other substances may have been necessary - but to also shift blame; as we see has happened with Arum and PacLossExcuse). 30c) A PacLossExcuse. 31) To put it mildly; Roach and Pacquaio (and PacQueens) talked an extremely good game before the fight; but delivered very little in it. 32) Floyd, by comparison, and aside from remaining confident of a win, hardly talked before the fight; but still delivered the win via a strategy that PacRoach not only claimed to be boring - but also claimed to be very prepared and familiar with - despite having absolutely no answer for it. 33) This above-mentioned lack of preMayPac disquiet on Floyd?s part was assumed and claimed by many a PacQueen and also PacRoach to be evidence of Floyd?s fear. 34) Pacquaio did not manage to break either of Floyd?s typically used defences; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 35) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd?s straight right hand that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 36) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd?s left hook that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 37) Pacquaio did not manage to capitalize on Floyd?s allegedly shot legs that, we were told, he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 38) Contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches? wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout; Pacquaio not only didn?t manage to KO Floyd - but he was unable to effectively apply any pressure even though Floyd slowed the fight down to a pace that suited him and - according to the PacBrigade - fought a fight that involved little attacking on Floyd?s part; therefore offering more opportunities for Pacquaio to do all that he and Roach predicted. 39) No-one (including PacQueens) yet appears to (want to know about, let alone) have explained why the specialists that were allegedly familiar with Pacquaio?s ?steroid requiring 2 hours before the fight and with fraudulent paperwork injury? (when they were consulted by the NSAC) not only came to same conclusion as the NSAC did - but also expressed to the NSAC that the PacInjury didn?t warrant a PacInjection. 40) No-one appears to have yet meaningfully and/or publicly considered the NSAC?s role and responsibility in this matter. Particularly given that Pacquaio has a reasonably well defined PED history (Arum and Roach have effectively admitted it) and that he has also - selectively - chosen who he litigates with in relation to those that have claimed Pacquaio uses performance enhancing drugs. 41) Not to mention that the subject of the aforementioned (point 40 and others) ?PacPerformance enhancing drugs allegation litigation? (that Pacquaio himself {and probably Arum} initiated) just happened to be against the very same person that Pacquaio was fighting, on the same night that Pacquaio himself also used fraudulent NSAC paperwork in an attempt to obtain an 11th hour advantage (whether justified or not) - that could have also been an advantage that served to excuse and/or mask performance enhancing drugs; whilst at the same time (the NSAC must also consider all this and that) Pacquaio has opted to not litigate against Arum and Roach whom have all but completely confirmed that the Floyd-PED-allegation (that Pacquaio initially sued Floyd over) was in fact - contrary to Pacquaio?s writ?s claims - true. 42) Why would Pacquaio sue Floyd for Floyd?s (seemingly) false claims that Pacquaio was using performance enhancing drugs to achieve his boxing success, and then not sue and/or treat both Roach and Arum the same? When both Roach and Arum, whom - insofar as Pacquaio?s writ against Floyd and the definitions within it pertaining to damages was concerned - clearly have caused Pacquaio at least the same amount of reputational damage by their public admissions? ? Could it be that Pacquaio knows that, should he take the ArumRoach performance enhancing drug confirmation and ?damages? matter to court against both Arum and/or Roach, he would certainly lose against them (as they know the truth; a truth that appears to have been withheld from the Pacquaio V Mayweather court case in a similar fashion to how the PacInjury was withheld and then sued to suit), and then - in that situation - open the door for Floyd to reverse the previous court decision? ? Or could it be that - despite the (now questionable) Pacquaio V Mayweather court case (and all the Pacquaio claims within it) that was ultimately awarded to Pacquaio - there really are no genuine damages in relation to this matter; because Floyd?s allegations were spot on the MoneyMay? ? Take a deep breath before answering that one ladies, gentlemen, realists, and PacQueens. 43) Before the fight both PacRoach and PacQueens vehemently claimed that Floyd?s legs were shot - then after the fight (in true PacLossExcuseQueen form) the same people claimed that Floyd ran too much. A good question may be how did Floyd do this (run) with shot legs? 44) Before the MayPac fight PacQueens began to construct a theory that seemed to almost perfectly allow for a positive performance enhancing drug test-result - one that Pacquaio was yet to throw. Whilst boxing is no stranger to and, to some extent relies upon (particularly promotion wise), shaded faith and also those whom are relatively easily marketed to and susceptible to the image of a fighter knocking another down, this kind of conspiracy theorizing took it (and the associated humor) to another level entirely; with wild claims that were vehemently forwarded pertaining to how Al Haymon could possibly setting setting up a false positive test-result for PacJuice - whom actually, at that very time, was most likely PacRoach working out how to both, best to play the shoulder for all its worth and continue with the FloydHate ?FalseKO? predictions. ? So a good question may be, how did - prior to the fight - some PacQueens know that PacJuice may actually need a PacJuiceLossExcuse after it? ? Was it a PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition? ? Taking in all the above-mentioned considerations and also the plethora of unanswered questions surrounding how Pacquaio not only went about clandestinely managing and/or announcing his ?injury? - but also how PacRoach attempted to fraudulently utilize the injury in the most ambiguous and dishonest manner so that it yielded the widest possible range of both, ?NSAC approved treatments and/or injections? and excuses; it sure sounds like it. 45) Before the fight PacRoach and some PacQueens claimed Floyd?s sparring with Zab (and others) would not assist him. However, during the fight not only was Floyd mostly undeterred by Pacquaio?s speed (and so called brilliant footwork) - but Floyd also controlled distance, timed, and easily wrong footed Pacquaio beautifully; all throughout the entire 12 rounds. ? On almost every occasion that Floyd repetitively used these tactics on Pacquaio; not only did Pacquaio largely fail to adjust whilst roach failed to offer any counteracting advice - but Pacquaio also kept doing the same things, which only further substantiated that both Pacquaio and Roach - contrary to all their pre-fight claims - really had no alternative plans and/or means to adapt. ? Furthermore, and notwithstanding all the above-mentioned considerations including those pertaining to PEDs and catch-weights; Pacquaio displayed no speed that was better than Zab Judah has previously shown. Same for Pacquaio?s much hailed footwork; it simply didn?t matter as he could not catch and cut the ring off in relation to a ?cursed 38 year fighter whom had shot legs?. Please offer video proof of the fight if you disagree with this claim. 46) Given that Pacquaio was the dignified and exalted boxer of the decade whom had miraculously moved up all the weight divisions whilst retaining his KO ?power?, and that he was also destined to KO Floyd; whom were relentlessly told was; scared, didn?t want to make the fight, had shot legs, had the curse of 38, had no answer to Pacquaio?s footwork and hand-speed, chopped bad wood, swam scared, sparred the wrong fighters, came from a family that all were KO?d in their biggest challenges, and participated in (unsubstantiated) blood doping via vampire facials . . . . it is truly amazing that the below and above-mentioned (often overlooked) points, considerations and questions still loom at large over the PacLossExcuseLandscape . . . almost like StormClouds that no meteorological bureau or PacQueenLossExcuseEstablishment seems to be both willing and able to explain. 47) Pac lost. 48) And (unless anyone can both accurately and meaningfully tackle the above questions and considerations {which are by no means the complete set} whilst not running from the mere possibility of explaining), that is the end. 49)
Outcome and loss termed in the best possible way for Pacquaio; PacRoach not only mismanaged an injury of an unspecified origin/nature in a manner they knew was inappropriate and wrong whilst they also attempted to manipulate both process and the NSAC in order to obtain the green light for ambiguous and potentially unspecified/unlimited ?injection and other treatments? - but also in doing so, they defrauded many people, bookmakers, betters, and some organizations; whilst on their way to losing to someone that is - regardless of whether you appreciate his personality and fighting style or not - both a better boxer than Pacquaio and also one of the finest technical and ?stylistically defensive? fighters of the last few decades, if not the century. 50) Floyd resorted to none of the above-mentioned PacRoachArum pre/post fight tactics and claims. 51) Floyd, won, is the victor, and is the superior boxer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please, if you think I have it wrong, I am OK with that.
In that case, please state what sentence/point it is that you think I have it wrong and offer tangible proof and not PacLossExcuse fan boy public toilet wall CherryPacJuice paint. Before you put finger to keyboard though, please also ask yourself why all these questions are both PacQueen and PacRoachArum outstanding and currently ran from; whilst - after the fact - Floyd?s criminal and other past (that he has more than paid the price for) is being dragged up. There's usually a reason why so many questions are both unpopular and unanswered - particularly when they pertain to matters of interest, accountability, and embarrassment. Personally the easy questions I?d like to have answered and so far have been PacQueen run from are as follows . . . 1) Why Pac didn't sue Arum and Roach for effectively admitting Pac was on the juice? 2) Why - only the day before and/or hours before the fight - the PacEntourage including Roach was still telling all that Pac was going to KO Floyd; if Pac's shoulder was so injured that it served as a reason/excuse for both; a) An injection associated with all the above considerations. b) Pacquaio losing the fight. 3) Why did Pacquaio and team (which includes Kontz, Roach, Arum, and all Top Rank?s legal and other services and experience with how to deal with these ?matters?) fraudulently populate the NSAC form, and then when discovered fail to announce that fact; instead resorting to unsubstantiated claims, misdirection, and blaming others; in what was billed as the biggest fight of the century? 4) What are the relationships between; a) No catch-weight advantage for Pacquaio. b) Stringent PED testing. c) The manner in which PacRoach concealed the PacSteroidRequiringInjury. d) What the official/original medical diagnosis and date is. e) What the official medical diagnosis and/or opinion was that the NSAC formed in conjunction with Pacquaio?s specialists; when they opted not to allow Pacquaio to inject based on the fraudulent NSAC form. f) The manner in which PacRoach approached NSAC form completion. g) What PacRoach would have done had the NSAC not spotted the NSAC PacFraud. h) How much PacRoach led with their mouths before the fight. i) Pacquaio?s lack of the usual inexhaustible energy. And, Manny Pacquaio?s loss. I?m not holding my breath on conclusive, tangible, accurate, and detailed answers. What I am expecting to see, is a lot of Donkey Dust as he wildly gallops and Hee-Haws off into the distance completely unaware of all that was said, squirted and posted prior to MayPac. Sorry about the long post Queens (and I know that does not apply to most of you) but I did some short posts the other day in a effort to get a rationale debate and answers, but that still, sadly, only resulted in DonkeyMagicGlitterDust; so clearly the issue is not (as some claim) with post length. Perhaps it?s the naughty probing content and it?s naughty owner;
StormCentre. Love use all.
?The Truth Is Not Only Always The Easiest To Remember - But It Also Means You Have To Run Away From Questions Less?.
PS: including the above post, currently I have not written about the PacLoss & FloydEasyWin fight more than 1/10th of that which we PacQueen received prior to the MayPac fight. Just keeping it real !!!!! :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

My way of thinking is that these (below) are the things that we do know for a fact about Pacquaio, and some - if not all of them - are considerations that even Pacquaio’s fans themselves can't meaningfully and/or accurately answer. Why is that; is not an unreasonable question if haters we do not profess to be?
Warning 1; if your PacQueen sentence limit is greater than 3; please do not PacContinue without a day's break after each set of 3 sentences. As whilst I have placed numbered sentences in there for you the truth may be a bit confronting.
Warning 2; if you will - no matter what - always allow yourself to believe that; (1) the earth is flat, (2) Pacquaio won, (3) Pacquaio and Roach were not fraudulent, (4) Floyd is evil, (5) there is no accountability for anything we say and do whilst at the same time we can feel comfortable trying to hang accountability unfairly on Floyd, and that (6) never ever meaningfully explaining is a worthwhile religion - just as it’s doctrine of “the facts and truth are a lie” is, and that that same doctrine is both gospel to be believed and therefore should never be questioned; then look away as this post and the questions and truths within it will probably not make you happy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Pacquaio was beaten by Morales, but later avenged the loss. 2) Pac got iced by Marquez. 3) Floyd owned Marquez. 4) Floyd is unbeaten. 5) Pac committed perjury and lied on the NSAC form (that was used as a means to obtain an injection), including that section where he marked/ticked “no” and offered no explanation; a section that asks about injuries. 6) Within boxing’s history; Pacquaio has probably has one of the - if not the - most spectacular rise through weight divisions as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight. 6a) One of the reasons for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions he has scaled is because as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight, he has retained his power and been able to, even in the higher weight divisions that he has campaigned in (but often not without a catch weight advantage), stop and/or KO guys; which is almost completely unheard of throughout boxings’ entire history. 6b) Another reason for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions that he has scaled is because during the years prior to the recent MayPac fight when the negotiations for the same fight were initiated Pacquaio refused to take blood tests as Floyd requested. At this time Ariza was in Pacquaio’s camp feeding him the drinks and/or other substances that he refused to explain to Roach when asked, and the PacRoachReasons given by PacRoach for Pacquaio not taking the tests were along the (seemingly incredible) lines that Pacquaio doesn’t like needles and/or giving blood. Roach would, in later years, and on video, admit that they (PacRoach) screwed up the negotiations for a MayPac fight back then. 7) The cloud of performance enhancing drug use - even before Roach and Arum (publicly, on video, and in Pacquaio’s presence, and without PacJuices’ objection) all but completely confirmed it - has always hung over Pacquaio’s performances; due to his ability to not only hardly ever seem to lose “power” as he rose through the weight divisions - but also due to his seemingly endless ability to fight with unseen before intensity and remain tireless. 8) Floyd has not been the only prominent boxing figure to raise concerns about Pacquaio’s performances. 9) Pacquaio - only hours prior to the MayPac fight and whilst looking for an injection - questionably signed the NSCA form in a manner that defies belief, and therefore committed perjury. This took place after both PacRoach claimed Floyd was scared, and after Pacquaio had just been through what probably constitutes Pacquaio’s most heaviest performance enhancing drug testing phase, ever. 10) By concealing the “injury” for weeks whilst it was allegedly known, then populating the NSAC form fraudulently and also unprofessionally delivering it to the NSAC on hours before the fight and at a time when the NSAC had minimal time themselves; PacRoachArum not only (effectively) attempted to “play” the NSAC - but also effectively used the fraudulent/dodgy NSAC form as a means to obtain an “injection” only hours before the fight (without announcing/defining the “injury” properly and previously) and in such a manner that presents the following facts and/or considerations; 10a) Had PacJuice “accidentally” managed to be found with a banned substance in his body (in addition to the “injection” that USADA was said to have approved; despite the absence of paperwork proof to support that and other related Arum claims) the widest berth possible would have then been created for PacExcuses (which by the way had already started prior to the fight) explaining the banned substances’ presence; due to not only how the NSAC form was fraudulently populated - but also the manner in which PacRoachArum attempted to get the NSAC to agree to their requests, become a scapegoat, and effectively “work at risk”. 10b) In the (inevitable) event of a PacLoss outcome arising from the MayPac fight; by approaching the NSAC in such a fraudulent manner and by also coercing them to become compromised and legally liable, creates and serves as an extremely powerful and malleable “PacLossExcuse”; keeping the dream and gravy train alive. 11) Currently Pacquaio has not released medical confirmation defining not only the true nature and extent of the injury - but also confirming when the injury actually first existed; therefore making it almost impossible to know whether a typical gym injury has just been “sat on” and then brought out of the shed for the above-mentioned curiously managed purposes. 12) Currently the NSAC and/or any related other person/body appears to have claimed to have been presented (by PacRoach) with documented proof of what Pacquaio’s injury really was when it was first defined; allowing us to know how long PacRoachArum sat on the injury and when/whom they told. 13) The NSAC doctors and specialists claim to have examined Pacquaio and to have also spoke with those PacRoach and/or Arum claimed were familiar with the PacJuice Injury. Based on this, the assessment that the NSAC performed, and based on PacRoachArum’s final decision, Pacquaio was allowed to fight Floyd without any injection that was publicly known of. 14) During the MayPac fight there was absolutely no visible evidence of Pacquaio wincing and/or nursing a rotator cuff injury of the extent to which were are expected explains a PacLoss. Accordingly, all that we have to support such a claim is PacRoachArum and PacQueens assertions that allege that a rotator cuff injury was responsible for Pacquaio’s low right hand output (and PacLoss); which not only appear to directly conflict with fight video revealing how Pacquaio actually used the right arm/shoulder/hand in the fight in numerous ways - but also ask us to trust MayPac identities that have already proven that they are less than forthright with the public, bookmakers, commissions, and Floyd. 15) Currently Indonesia had a public holiday to celebrate Floyd outsmarting and beating Pacquaio. 16) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight; yet despite claiming to know of the injury weeks and possibly months before the fight, they - in direct conflist with most that are sitting on a fight-losing injury - still released wildly confident and absurd predictions of a KO win; strangely right up to the days preceding the fight. Almost as if they knew the shoulder injury was more of a get out of jail free card in the event they didn’t win; rather than the genuine fight-stopping and truly steroid-injection-requiring grievances that we were all - (but only) post MayPac - told. 17) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight and didn’t perform well; yet according to PacRoach and PacQueens, it is Floyd’s fault the fight was not all it was promised/meant to be. 18) As touched on above; Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit (publicly on video and whilst Pacquaio is present and without objection) that Pacquaio has been using PEDs, particularly when Ariza was in his camp. 19) Almost all Pacquaio’s recent/big wins (by KO or not) have involved Ariza (and therefore the strong possibility of PEDs; as Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit he has been using PEDs) and/or a catch-weight and/or has involved fighting guys that Floyd had already beaten. 20) No Floyd or Pacquaio common opponents predicted a Pacquaio win when interviewed on the “Legends Sspeak” video. 21) For the first time in a long time when both operating at/around welterweight and with a top level fighter; with his losing fight against Floyd, Pacquaio was confirmed to not be using PEDs and/or a catch -weight advantage. 22) Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs; this was before the above-mentioned circumstance where Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst successfully fighting and winning via catch weight contracts. 23) After Pacquaio sat near both Arum and Roach at that above-mentioned time when they all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst at the same time fighting and winning via catch weight contracts; Pacquaio opted not to sue Arum and/or Roach for effectively confirming (Floyd’s suspicions and alleging) Pacquaio was using PEDs via drinks Ariza gave him but would not explain when asked; which (the bolded part) itself, is remarkably similar to a circumstance that is not at all unlike some PacQueens. 24) During the MayPac fight there was no evidence of the old and almost fatigueless Pacquaio that we have all previously seen before; such as when Ariza was in his camp and catch weights were the order of the day. 25) Roach and Pacquaio - via the above-mentioned circumstances and fraudulent behavior they have admitted to - effectively ripped off the majority of bookmakers and Casinos in the world by concealing Pacquaio’s alleged injury and then failing to comply with obligations pertaining to not only announcing and treating injuries appropriately - but also seeking consideration from the NSAC. To add to it all, when the aforementioned tactics didn’t work, they then set about making PacExcuses and also attacking the integrity and professionalism of the NSAC - whom - based on the available evidence - appear to have acted completely professionally and appropriately. 26) Had PacRoach treated the “injury” appropriately, unambiguously, and professionally, and had they announced it when it was first known, the “injury” then would have been virtually impossible to be used not only as a means to mask any PED agent - but as a PacLossExcuse. 27) Arum’s claims about USADA seemingly approving the “injection” PacJuice was planning to have on the 11th hour and just prior to the MayPac fight - via the fraudulent NSAC paperwork - claims that were released in a manner and with strong overtones that infer/suggest that there was no reason for NSAC to not “fall in line” on the “PacRoachInjectionPapworkFraud”; (even aside from the overlooked and most likely missing accurate paperwork trail between both USADA and the NSAC that PacRoacArum have conveniently failed to describe) fall so dismally short of explaining the whole story that it is as if they live in PacQueenDonkeyWonderland. 28) Arum’s claims that the NSAC were notified earlier than that time when PacJuice - via fraudulent paperwork - wanted to obtain NSAC approval for an injection (injections?); are not only unsubstantiated - but also in direct conflict with the NSAC themselves. 29) Furthermore, Arum (a lawyer and someone that is almost always constantly involved in some form of litigation) claims in relation to having contacted the NSAC prior to the night of the MayPac fight when the above-mentioned means were used to obtain a PacInjection for Pacquaio; are, unfortunately, associated not only with no phone records - but also without any proof that such communication-content ever existed and/or took place. 30) When Arum first made the above-mentioned NSAC communication claim, at that time, he seemed to fail to hint at and/or appropriately announce the fraudulent paperwork (that had already then been forwarded and/or discovered) could have been and/or had been used to obtain; 30a) A PacInjection pertaining to a (previously and questionably concealed) shoulder injury that the signed NSAC PacPaperwork fraudulently claimed didn’t exist. 30b) A PacInjection (PED related or otherwise) that was outside of the intended purposes that the NSAC could have been reasonably expected to approve based on the dodgy paperwork (that, in its fraudulently forwarded form, left it unbelievably wide open to, later and after the fact, not only argue that other substances may have been necessary - but to also shift blame; as we see has happened with Arum and PacLossExcuse). 30c) A PacLossExcuse. 31) To put it mildly; Roach and Pacquaio (and PacQueens) talked an extremely good game before the fight; but delivered very little in it. 32) Floyd, by comparison, and aside from remaining confident of a win, hardly talked before the fight; but still delivered the win via a strategy that PacRoach not only claimed to be boring - but also claimed to be very prepared and familiar with - despite having absolutely no answer for it. 33) This above-mentioned lack of preMayPac disquiet on Floyd’s part was assumed and claimed by many a PacQueen and also PacRoach to be evidence of Floyd’s fear. 34) Pacquaio did not manage to break either of Floyd’s typically used defences; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 35) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s straight right hand that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 36) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s left hook that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 37) Pacquaio did not manage to capitalize on Floyd’s allegedly shot legs that, we were told, he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 38) Contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout; Pacquaio not only didn’t manage to KO Floyd - but he was unable to effectively apply any pressure even though Floyd slowed the fight down to a pace that suited him and - according to the PacBrigade - fought a fight that involved little attacking on Floyd’s part; therefore offering more opportunities for Pacquaio to do all that he and Roach predicted. 39) No-one (including PacQueens) yet appears to (want to know about, let alone) have explained why the specialists that were allegedly familiar with Pacquaio’s “steroid requiring 2 hours before the fight and with fraudulent paperwork injury” (when they were consulted by the NSAC) not only came to same conclusion as the NSAC did - but also expressed to the NSAC that the PacInjury didn’t warrant a PacInjection. 40) No-one appears to have yet meaningfully and/or publicly considered the NSAC’s role and responsibility in this matter. Particularly given that Pacquaio has a reasonably well defined PED history (Arum and Roach have effectively admitted it) and that he has also - selectively - chosen who he litigates with in relation to those that have claimed Pacquaio uses performance enhancing drugs. 41) Not to mention that the subject of the aforementioned (point 40 and others) “PacPerformance enhancing drugs allegation litigation” (that Pacquaio himself {and probably Arum} initiated) just happened to be against the very same person that Pacquaio was fighting, on the same night that Pacquaio himself also used fraudulent NSAC paperwork in an attempt to obtain an 11th hour advantage (whether justified or not) - that could have also been an advantage that served to excuse and/or mask performance enhancing drugs; whilst at the same time (the NSAC must also consider all this and that) Pacquaio has opted to not litigate against Arum and Roach whom have all but completely confirmed that the Floyd-PED-allegation (that Pacquaio initially sued Floyd over) was in fact - contrary to Pacquaio’s writ’s claims - true. 42) Why would Pacquaio sue Floyd for Floyd’s (seemingly) false claims that Pacquaio was using performance enhancing drugs to achieve his boxing success, and then not sue and/or treat both Roach and Arum the same? When both Roach and Arum, whom - insofar as Pacquaio’s writ against Floyd and the definitions within it pertaining to damages was concerned - clearly have caused Pacquaio at least the same amount of reputational damage by their public admissions? • Could it be that Pacquaio knows that, should he take the ArumRoach performance enhancing drug confirmation and “damages” matter to court against both Arum and/or Roach, he would certainly lose against them (as they know the truth; a truth that appears to have been withheld from the Pacquaio V Mayweather court case in a similar fashion to how the PacInjury was withheld and then sued to suit), and then - in that situation - open the door for Floyd to reverse the previous court decision? • Or could it be that - despite the (now questionable) Pacquaio V Mayweather court case (and all the Pacquaio claims within it) that was ultimately awarded to Pacquaio - there really are no genuine damages in relation to this matter; because Floyd’s allegations were spot on the MoneyMay? • Take a deep breath before answering that one ladies, gentlemen, realists, and PacQueens. 43) Before the fight both PacRoach and PacQueens vehemently claimed that Floyd’s legs were shot - then after the fight (in true PacLossExcuseQueen form) the same people claimed that Floyd ran too much. A good question may be how did Floyd do this (run) with shot legs? 44) Before the MayPac fight PacQueens began to construct a theory that seemed to almost perfectly allow for a positive performance enhancing drug test-result - one that Pacquaio was yet to throw. Whilst boxing is no stranger to and, to some extent relies upon (particularly promotion wise), shaded faith and also those whom are relatively easily marketed to and susceptible to the image of a fighter knocking another down, this kind of conspiracy theorizing took it (and the associated humor) to another level entirely; with wild claims that were vehemently forwarded pertaining to how Al Haymon could possibly setting setting up a false positive test-result for PacJuice - whom actually, at that very time, was most likely PacRoach working out how to both, best to play the shoulder for all its worth and continue with the FloydHate “FalseKO” predictions. • So a good question may be, how did - prior to the fight - some PacQueens know that PacJuice may actually need a PacJuiceLossExcuse after it? • Was it a PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition? • Taking in all the above-mentioned considerations and also the plethora of unanswered questions surrounding how Pacquaio not only went about clandestinely managing and/or announcing his “injury” - but also how PacRoach attempted to fraudulently utilize the injury in the most ambiguous and dishonest manner so that it yielded the widest possible range of both, “NSAC approved treatments and/or injections” and excuses; it sure sounds like it. 45) Before the fight PacRoach and some PacQueens claimed Floyd’s sparring with Zab (and others) would not assist him. However, during the fight not only was Floyd mostly undeterred by Pacquaio’s speed (and so called brilliant footwork) - but Floyd also controlled distance, timed, and easily wrong footed Pacquaio beautifully; all throughout the entire 12 rounds. • On almost every occasion that Floyd repetitively used these tactics on Pacquaio; not only did Pacquaio largely fail to adjust whilst roach failed to offer any counteracting advice - but Pacquaio also kept doing the same things, which only further substantiated that both Pacquaio and Roach - contrary to all their pre-fight claims - really had no alternative plans and/or means to adapt. • Furthermore, and notwithstanding all the above-mentioned considerations including those pertaining to PEDs and catch-weights; Pacquaio displayed no speed that was better than Zab Judah has previously shown. Same for Pacquaio’s much hailed footwork; it simply didn’t matter as he could not catch and cut the ring off in relation to a “cursed 38 year fighter whom had shot legs”. Please offer video proof of the fight if you disagree with this claim. 46) Given that Pacquaio was the dignified and exalted boxer of the decade whom had miraculously moved up all the weight divisions whilst retaining his KO “power”, and that he was also destined to KO Floyd; whom were relentlessly told was; scared, didn’t want to make the fight, had shot legs, had the curse of 38, had no answer to Pacquaio’s footwork and hand-speed, chopped bad wood, swam scared, sparred the wrong fighters, came from a family that all were KO’d in their biggest challenges, and participated in (unsubstantiated) blood doping via vampire facials . . . . it is truly amazing that the below and above-mentioned (often overlooked) points, considerations and questions still loom at large over the PacLossExcuseLandscape . . . almost like StormClouds that no meteorological bureau or PacQueenLossExcuseEstablishment seems to be both willing and able to explain. 47) Pac lost. 48) And (unless anyone can both accurately and meaningfully tackle the above questions and considerations {which are by no means the complete set} whilst not running from the mere possibility of explaining), that is the end. 49)
Outcome and loss termed in the best possible way for Pacquaio; PacRoach not only mismanaged an injury of an unspecified origin/nature in a manner they knew was inappropriate and wrong whilst they also attempted to manipulate both process and the NSAC in order to obtain the green light for ambiguous and potentially unspecified/unlimited “injection and other treatments” - but also in doing so, they defrauded many people, bookmakers, betters, and some organizations; whilst on their way to losing to someone that is - regardless of whether you appreciate his personality and fighting style or not - both a better boxer than Pacquaio and also one of the finest technical and “stylistically defensive” fighters of the last few decades, if not the century. 50) Floyd resorted to none of the above-mentioned PacRoachArum pre/post fight tactics and claims. 51) Floyd, won, is the victor, and is the superior boxer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please, if you think I have it wrong, I am OK with that.
In that case, please state what sentence/point it is that you think I have it wrong and offer tangible proof and not PacLossExcuse fan boy public toilet wall CherryPacJuice paint. Before you put finger to keyboard though, please also ask yourself why all these questions are both PacQueen and PacRoachArum outstanding and currently ran from; whilst - after the fact - Floyd’s criminal and other past (that he has more than paid the price for) is being dragged up. There's usually a reason why so many questions are both unpopular and unanswered - particularly when they pertain to matters of interest, accountability, and embarrassment. Personally the easy questions I’d like to have answered and so far have been PacQueen run from are as follows . . . 1) Why Pac didn't sue Arum and Roach for effectively admitting Pac was on the juice? 2) Why - only the day before and/or hours before the fight - the PacEntourage including Roach was still telling all that Pac was going to KO Floyd; if Pac's shoulder was so injured that it served as a reason/excuse for both; a) An injection associated with all the above considerations. b) Pacquaio losing the fight. 3) Why did Pacquaio and team (which includes Kontz, Roach, Arum, and all Top Rank’s legal and other services and experience with how to deal with these “matters”) fraudulently populate the NSAC form, and then when discovered fail to announce that fact; instead resorting to unsubstantiated claims, misdirection, and blaming others; in what was billed as the biggest fight of the century? 4) What are the relationships between; a) No catch-weight advantage for Pacquaio. b) Stringent PED testing. c) The manner in which PacRoach concealed the PacSteroidRequiringInjury. d) What the official/original medical diagnosis and date is. e) What the official medical diagnosis and/or opinion was that the NSAC formed in conjunction with Pacquaio’s specialists; when they opted not to allow Pacquaio to inject based on the fraudulent NSAC form. f) The manner in which PacRoach approached NSAC form completion. g) What PacRoach would have done had the NSAC not spotted the NSAC PacFraud. h) How much PacRoach led with their mouths before the fight. i) Pacquaio’s lack of the usual inexhaustible energy. And, Manny Pacquaio’s loss. I’m not holding my breath on conclusive, tangible, accurate, and detailed answers. What I am expecting to see, is a lot of Donkey Dust as he wildly gallops and Hee-Haws off into the distance completely unaware of all that was said, squirted and posted prior to MayPac. Sorry about the long post Queens (and I know that does not apply to most of you) but I did some short posts the other day in a effort to get a rationale debate and answers, but that still, sadly, only resulted in DonkeyMagicGlitterDust; so clearly the issue is not (as some claim) with post length. Perhaps it’s the naughty probing content and it’s naughty owner;
StormCentre. Love use all.
“The Truth Is Not Only Always The Easiest To Remember - But It Also Means You Have To Run Away From Questions Less”.
PS: including the above post, currently I have not written about the PacLoss & FloydEasyWin fight more than 1/10th of that which we PacQueen received prior to the MayPac fight. Just keeping it real !!!!! :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

My way of thinking is that these (below) are the things that we do know for a fact about Pacquaio, and some - if not all of them - are considerations that even Pacquaio’s fans themselves can't meaningfully and/or accurately answer. Why is that; is not an unreasonable question if haters we do not profess to be?
Warning 1; if your PacQueen sentence limit is greater than 3; please do not PacContinue without a day's break after each set of 3 sentences. As whilst I have placed numbered sentences in there for you the truth may be a bit confronting.
Warning 2; if you will - no matter what - always allow yourself to believe that; (1) the earth is flat, (2) Pacquaio won, (3) Pacquaio and Roach were not fraudulent, (4) Floyd is evil, (5) there is no accountability for anything we say and do whilst at the same time we can feel comfortable trying to hang accountability unfairly on Floyd, and that (6) never ever meaningfully explaining is a worthwhile religion - just as it’s doctrine of “the facts and truth are a lie” is, and that that same doctrine is both gospel to be believed and therefore should never be questioned; then look away as this post and the questions and truths within it will probably not make you happy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Pacquaio was beaten by Morales, but later avenged the loss. 2) Pac got iced by Marquez. 3) Floyd owned Marquez. 4) Floyd is unbeaten. 5) Pac committed perjury and lied on the NSAC form (that was used as a means to obtain an injection), including that section where he marked/ticked “no” and offered no explanation; a section that asks about injuries. 6) Within boxing’s history; Pacquaio has probably has one of the - if not the - most spectacular rise through weight divisions as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight. 6a) One of the reasons for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions he has scaled is because as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight, he has retained his power and been able to, even in the higher weight divisions that he has campaigned in (but often not without a catch weight advantage), stop and/or KO guys; which is almost completely unheard of throughout boxings’ entire history. 6b) Another reason for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions that he has scaled, is because during the years prior to the recent MayPac fight when the negotiations for the same fight were initiated Pacquaio refused outright to take blood tests, as Floyd requested. At this time Ariza was in Pacquaio’s camp feeding him the drinks and/or other substances that he refused to explain to Roach when asked, and the PacRoachReasons given by PacRoach for Pacquaio not taking the tests were (at that time) along the (seemingly incredible) lines that Pacquaio doesn’t like needles and/or giving blood. Roach would, in later years, and on video, admit that they (PacRoach) screwed up the negotiations for a MayPac fight back then. 7) The cloud of performance enhancing drug use - even before Roach and Arum (publicly, on video, and in Pacquaio’s presence, and without PacJuices’ objection) all but completely confirmed it - has, in one way or another, always hung over Pacquaio’s performances; due to his ability to not only hardly ever seem to lose “power” as he rose through the weight divisions - but also due to his seemingly endless ability to fight with unseen before intensity and remain utterly tireless. 8) Floyd has not been the only prominent boxing figure to raise concerns about Pacquaio’s performances. There have been several others. 9) Pacquaio - only hours prior to the MayPac fight and whilst both, having just completed a very stringent PED testing phase (that he passed) and also looking for an injection - questionably signed the NSCA form in a manner that quite literally defies belief (effectively claiming no injury existed for the injection he actually requested because of it????) and therefore, in that act, Pacquaio committed perjury. This (steroid and possible PED masking and/or PacPEDaccidentExcuse) incident took place after PacKontzRoach; 9a) Fraudulently claimed Floyd would not sign the (non-existent) contract (effectively damaging Floyd's reputation with lies); yet Floyd - unlike Pacquaio with Floyd's seemingly correct PED assertion - did not issue PacKontzRoach with a writ for their false allegations. 9b) Publicly claimed Floyd was scared - a claim that we can now see is not just as manifestly wrong as the claims PacRoach released pre-MayPac - but also bordering being as laughable as how PacRoach have been deceiving both society and the boxing world, if not for years with PEDs and catch weights, then at least during the build up to MayPac; as recent court cases brought about by those other than Floyd that possess an indirect interest in the fight, clearly substantiate. 9c) Pacquaio had just been through what probably constitutes Pacquaio’s most heaviest performance enhancing drug testing phase, ever. 10) By concealing the “injury” for weeks whilst it was allegedly known, then populating the NSAC form fraudulently and also unprofessionally delivering it to the NSAC only hours before the fight and at a time when (it was surely PacRoachArum known that) the NSAC would have minimal time themselves to properly assess the matter (seemingly increasing the chances of, not just the NSAC wilting under PacFraudulentNSACform pressure and PacRoach obtaining a PacJuiceInjection to both break and close out the PED testing drought/phase - but also of manufacturing a "officialized" NSAC PacLossExcuse); PacRoachArum not only (effectively) attempted to “play” the NSAC - but they also effectively used the fraudulent/dodgy NSAC form as a means to obtain an “injection green light” or "injection
s excuse" only hours before the fight (without so much as even bothering to announce/define the “injury” properly and previously when it mattered) and in such a manner that presents the following facts and/or considerations; 10a) Had PacJuice after the fight “accidentally” been found with a banned substance in his body (in addition to the “injection” that USADA was said to have approved; despite the absence of paperwork proof to support that and other related Arum claims) the widest berth possible would have then been created for an almost infinite amount of possible PacLoss and/or PacPEDaccident Excuses (which by the way had already PacQueen started prior to the fight) "explaining" the banned substance
s’ presence; due to not only how the NSAC form was fraudulently populated - but also the manner in which PacRoachArum attempted to get the NSAC to agree to their requests, become a scapegoat, and effectively “work at risk”. 10b) In the (inevitable) event of a PacLoss outcome arising from the MayPac fight; by approaching the NSAC in such a fraudulent, concerning and obviously calculated manner, and by also coercing them to become compromised and legally liable, creates and serves as (not just an example of how much PacRoachArum thought really went into the associated deception and achieving whatever the real PacRoach objectives where, but also) an extremely powerful and malleable “PacLossExcuse”; keeping the dream and gravy train alive. 11) Currently (despite how long ago it is when the concealed but valuable {if played correctly and no-one does their job properly} "injury" is said to have had its genesis) Pacquaio has not released reliable medical confirmation defining not only the true nature and extent of the "injury" - but also confirming when the "injury" actually first existed; therefore making it almost impossible to know whether a typical gym injury has just been “sat on” and then "brought out of the shed" for the above-mentioned curiously managed purposes and "advantages". • Only when not viewed with the concerns and allegations associated with Pacquaio's alleged (and Arum and Roach confirmed) past PED use are these considerations not alarming; making it extremely easy to see how the NSAC really did their job properly - as the entire manner in which the "PacInjectionRequiring(ButNotDefined)Injury" was PacRoach; concealed, managed, and fraudulently documented . . all at the last moment and just before the fight . . . possessed all the hallmarks of a ready made (lawyer designed) excuse for any "accidental" and positive PED test result. • The cleverly designed PacLossExcuse and PacAccidentalPEDpositiveTestResult was almost - had it not been for the diligent work of the NSAC - perfect; replete with commissions and other agencies to blame, scapegoat, and utilize for smokescreen and other misdirection purposes. • Such design, in my view, could only initially come from someone extremely familiar with all process and the law; despite the fact that Pacquaio and Roach were obviously complicit. 12) Currently the NSAC and/or any related other person/body appears to have come forward and claimed to have been presented (by PacRoach) with documented proof of what Pacquaio’s injury really was when it was first defined; thus preventing us from really knowing how long PacRoachArum sat on the injury and when/whom they told. 13) The NSAC doctors and specialists claim to have examined Pacquaio and to have also spoke with those PacRoach and/or Arum claimed were familiar with the PacJuice Injury. Based on this, the assessment that the NSAC performed (with PacJuices' specialists), and also based on PacRoachArum’s final decision, Pacquaio was then allowed to fight Floyd without any injection (that was publicly known of). 14) During the MayPac fight there was absolutely no visible evidence of Pacquaio wincing and/or nursing a rotator cuff injury of the extent to which were are expected explains a PacLoss (please - especially PacEntourage - produce video evidence if you disagree). Accordingly, all that we have to support such a claim is PacRoachArum and PacQueens assertions that allege that a rotator cuff injury was itself responsible for Pacquaio’s low right hand output (and the PacLoss); which not only appears to directly conflict with fight video revealing how Pacquaio actually adducted, abducted, rotated, and in general used his right arm/shoulder/hand in the fight without any hesitation and also in numerous ways - but it also asks us to trust various MayPacPacLossExcuse identities that have (without doubt) already proven that they are way less than forthright with the; public, bookmakers, law, commissions, and also Floyd. 15) Indonesia had a public holiday to celebrate Floyd outsmarting and beating Pacquaio. 16) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight; yet despite claiming to know of the injury weeks and possibly months before the fight, they - in direct conflict with most other fighters that are genuinely sitting on a fight-losing injury - still released wildly confident and absurd predictions of a KO win; strangely right up to the days preceding the fight. Almost as if they knew the shoulder injury was more of a get out of jail free card in the event they didn’t win; rather than the genuine fight-stopping and truly steroid-injection-requiring grievance that we were all - (but only) post MayPac - told. 17) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight and didn’t perform well; yet according to PacRoach and PacQueens, it is Floyd’s fault the fight was not all it was promised/meant to be. 18) As touched on above; Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit (publicly on video and whilst Pacquaio is present and without objection) that Pacquaio has been using PEDs, particularly when Ariza was in his camp. •
However, despite this remarkable consideration and/or fact, it appears that no such information was provided to the courts and in affidavits (when it mattered) by Team Pacquaio during those times when Pacquaio both mounted and ran his legal case against Floyd; seemingly to address what was "then" called Floyd's damaging and untruthful assertions that Pacquaio was on PEDs (which are Floyd assertions that both Arum and Roach have now all but completely confirmed they knew were true even when Pacquaio ran his aforementioned {fraudulent and perjurious [similar to NSAC injury/forms???]} case against Floyd). • My understanding of the law and lawyer's obligations is that . . . . if not Pacquaio (which is a monstrous benefit of the doubt; as he would be obliged to provide such information), then surely if Arum (a lawyer) was a part of the said writ; then Arum is obliged (as, whatever the American equivalent terms are to the Australian terms of; an officer of the courts and servant to justice) to present such considerations to the court. 19) Almost all Pacquaio’s recent/big wins (by KO or not) have involved Ariza (and therefore the strong possibility of PEDs; as Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit he has been using PEDs) and/or a catch-weight and/or has involved fighting guys that Floyd had already beaten. Whilst PacQueens have largely ignored this and considered it not relevant, it - along with confirming how Ariza actually "assisted" Pacquaio previously - appears to be the primary reason Floyd took Ariza away; so Pac could not use him 20) No Floyd or Pacquaio common opponents predicted a Pacquaio win when interviewed on the “Legends Sspeak” video. 21) For the first time in a long time when both operating at/around welterweight and with a top level fighter; with his losing fight against Floyd, Pacquaio was USADA confirmed to not be using PEDs and/or a catch - weight advantage. In the MayPac fight Pacquaio clearly - that is, in the eyes of the judges, the majority of people, and also the majority of active and inactive fighters - not only lost, but he also displayed none of the efficiency, energy, and power that he exhibited in many of his signature wins. 22) As touched on above; Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs; this was before the above-mentioned circumstance where Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst successfully fighting and winning via catch weight contracts. • Considering the above/below; there is good reason to believe that when Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs, at that same time Pacquaio was taking PEDs but he also knew that Floyd could not prove it. • At the same when Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs, Ariza was working at Roaches' gym predominantly with Manny. 23) After Pacquaio sat near both Arum and Roach at that above-mentioned time when they all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst at the same time fighting and winning via catch weight contracts; Pacquaio opted not to sue Arum and/or Roach for effectively confirming (Floyd’s suspicions and alleging) Pacquaio was using PEDs via drinks Ariza not only gave him -
but would not explain when asked; which (the
bolded part) itself, is remarkably similar to a circumstance that is not at all unlike some PacQueens when asked about the considerations herein. 24) During the MayPac fight there was no evidence of the old and almost fatigueless Pacquaio that we have all previously seen before; such as when Ariza was in Pacquaio's camp and catch weights were the order of the day. 25) Roach and Pacquaio - via the above-mentioned circumstances and also that fraudulent behavior they have either admitted to or now been caught at - effectively ripped off the majority of bookmakers and Casinos around the world by concealing Pacquaio’s alleged injury and then failing to comply with obligations pertaining to not only announcing and treating injuries appropriately - but also seeking consideration from the NSAC. To add to it all, when the aforementioned tactics didn’t work, they then set about making PacLoss&OtherExcuses and attacking the integrity and professionalism of the NSAC - whom - based on the available evidence - appear to have acted completely professionally and appropriately. 26) Had PacRoach treated the “injury” appropriately, unambiguously, and professionally, and had they announced it when it was first known, the “injury” then would have been virtually impossible to be used not only as a means to mask any PED agent - but also as a PacLossExcuse. This is why the NSAC form in question and also its related protocols are designed the way they are; to prevent not just accidental and/or purposeful advantages in dangerous combat sports being obtained - but also to prevent cheating. 27) Arum’s claims about USADA seemingly approving the “injection” PacJuice was planning to have on the 11th hour and just prior to the MayPac fight - via the fraudulent NSAC paperwork - claims that were themselves released in a manner and with strong overtones that infer/suggest that there was no reason for NSAC to not “fall in line” on the “PacRoachInjectionPapworkFraud”; (even aside from the overlooked and most likely missing accurate paperwork trail between both USADA and the NSAC that PacRoacArum have conveniently failed to substantiate) fall so dismally short of explaining the whole story that it is as if they too live in PacQueenDonkeyWonderland. It is nothing short of truly shameful and (to me) highly reminiscent of when Top Rank continued to - at times to Cotto's personal and other detriment - support Margarito after plaster was discovered in his wraps. 28) Furthermore, Arum (a lawyer and someone that is almost always constantly involved in some form of litigation) claims in relation to having contacted the NSAC prior to the night of the MayPac fight when the above-mentioned means were used to obtain a PacInjection for Pacquaio; are, unfortunately, associated not only with no phone records - but also without any proof that such communication-content ever existed and/or took place. 29) Therefore, following on from point 28; Arum’s claims that the NSAC were notified earlier than that time when PacJuice - via blatantly fraudulent paperwork - wanted to obtain NSAC approval for an injection (injections?) only hours before the fight; not only remain unsubstantiated - but they also remain in direct conflict with the NSAC themselves. Arum's inferences and claims in relation to any/all USADA and NSAC communication related to the matter are, in my opinion, not only equally questionable - but also just as outstanding. 30) Capacity to DonkeyMagicMislead public; when Arum first released the above-mentioned NSAC communication claim, at that time, he also seemed to fail to hint at and/or appropriately announce the fraudulent paperwork (that had, then, already been forwarded and/or discovered to/by the NSAC) could have been and/or had been used to obtain; 30a) A PacInjection pertaining to a (previously and questionably concealed) shoulder injury that the signed NSAC PacPaperwork fraudulently claimed didn’t exist. 30b) A PacInjection (PED related or otherwise) that was outside of the intended purposes that the NSAC could have been reasonably expected to approve based on the dodgy paperwork (that, in its fraudulently forwarded form, left it unbelievably wide open to, later and after the fact, not only argue that other substances may have been PacJuiceInjury necessary - but to also shift blame; as we see has happened with Arum and PacLossExcuse). 30c) A PacLossExcuse. 31) To put it mildly; Roach and Pacquaio (and PacQueens) talked an extremely good game before the fight; but delivered very little in it. 32) Floyd, by comparison, and aside from remaining confident of a win, hardly talked big before the fight; but still delivered the win via a strategy that PacRoach not only claimed to be boring - but also claimed to be very well prepared for and familiar with - despite having absolutely no answer for it when it mattered. 33) This above-mentioned lack of pre-MayPac disquiet on Floyd’s part was assumed and claimed by many a PacQueen and also PacRoach to be evidence of Floyd’s fear; they were wrong. 34) Pacquaio did not manage to break either of Floyd’s typically used defences; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 35) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s straight right hand that Floyd typically and almost always successfully uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 36) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s left hook that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 37) Pacquaio did not manage to capitalize on Floyd’s allegedly shot legs that, we were told, he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 38) Contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout; Pacquaio not only didn’t manage to KO Floyd - but he was unable to effectively apply any pressure - even though Floyd slowed the fight down to a pace that suited him and - according to the PacBrigade - fought a fight that involved little attacking on Floyd’s part; therefore offering more (wasted?) opportunities for Pacquaio to do all that he and Roach loudly predicted. 39) No-one (including PacQueens) yet appears to (want to know about, let alone) have explained why the specialists that were allegedly familiar with Pacquaio’s “steroid requiring 2 hours before the fight and with fraudulent paperwork injury” (when they were consulted by the NSAC) not only came to same conclusion as the NSAC did - but also expressed to the NSAC that the PacInjury didn’t warrant a PacInjection. 40) No-one appears to have yet meaningfully and/or publicly considered the NSAC’s role and responsibility in this matter. Particularly given that Pacquaio has a reasonably well defined PED history (Arum and Roach have effectively admitted it) and that he has also - selectively - chosen who he litigates with in relation to those that have claimed Pacquaio uses performance enhancing drugs; preferring to legally attack the person that very well may have been speaking the truth about Pacquaio at such times as when he knew that person was correct but could not prove it. 41) Not to mention that the subject of the aforementioned (point 40 and others) “PacPerformance enhancing drugs allegation litigation” (that Pacquaio himself {and probably Arum} initiated) just happened to be against the very same person that Pacquaio was fighting, on the same night that Pacquaio himself also used fraudulent NSAC paperwork in an attempt to obtain an 11th hour advantage (whether justified or not) - that could have also been an advantage that served to excuse and/or mask performance enhancing drugs; whilst at the same time (the NSAC must also consider all this, and also that) Pacquaio has opted to not litigate against Arum and Roach - whom have all but completely confirmed that the Floyd-PED-allegation (that Pacquaio initially sued Floyd over) was in fact - contrary to Pacquaio’s own writ’s claims - true. • Given all these (often overlooked considerations and/or facts) it is remarkable that some - usually those that can't meaningfully answer these questions - still chose to place their head in the sand, preferring to resort to claiming that the NSAC was incompetent and that the shoulder injury PacLossExcuse saves the day and face. • And, perhaps that's because an examination of all the facts leaves you with only one clear and logical conclusion; what else could the NSAC do given both the PacPEDHistory, PacInjuryConcealment, and also the PacNSACformFraud related to the matter and also all those closely related to it? • No PacQueen has yet stepped forward with a meaningful and complete answer to this question; instead preferring to drag up Floyd's past and resort to the same pre-MayPac unsubstantiated claim throwing tactics. I think we know why. 42) Why would Pacquaio sue Floyd for Floyd’s (seemingly) false PacPED claims that assert Pacquaio was using performance enhancing drugs to achieve his boxing success, but then not sue and/or treat both Roach and Arum the same? This consideration is particularly poignant when one realizes that both Roach and Arum, whom - insofar as Pacquaio’s writ against Floyd goes and also the definitions within it pertaining to damages are concerned - clearly have caused Pacquaio, at least, the same amount of reputational damage by way of their public admissions pertaining to PacJuices' PED use? • Could it be that Pacquaio knows that, should he take the ArumRoach performance enhancing drug confirmation and “damages” matter to court against both Arum and/or Roach, he would almost certainly lose against them (as they know the truth; a truth that appears to have been withheld from the Pacquaio V Mayweather court case in a similar fashion to how the PacInjury was withheld and then used to suit), and then - in that situation - open the door for Floyd to reverse the previous court decision, and prove what has really happened? • Or could it be that - despite the (now questionable) Pacquaio V Mayweather court case that Pacquaio initiated (and all the Pacquaio claims within it) that was ultimately awarded to Pacquaio - there really are no genuine "damages" in relation to this matter; because Floyd’s allegations about Pacquaio using PEDs were not only spot on the MoneyMay - but have now also been confirmed by Ariza? • Take a deep breath before answering that one ladies, gentlemen, realists, and PacQueens; then ask honestly yourself, with that much at stake, would you have - if you were Floyd and 38 - just gone out there and fought the (claimed) best southpaw and fighter of the century in a reckless and haphazard manner? 43) Before the fight both PacRoach and PacQueens vehemently claimed that Floyd’s legs were shot - then after the fight (in true PacLossExcuseQueen form) the same people then claimed that Floyd ran too much. A good question may be how did Floyd do this (run) with shot legs? 44) Before the MayPac fight PacQueens began to construct a theory that seemed to almost perfectly allow for a positive performance enhancing drug test- result - one that Pacquaio was yet to throw. Whilst boxing is no stranger to and, to some extent relies upon (particularly promotion wise), shaded faith and also those whom are relatively easily marketed to and susceptible to the image of a fighter knocking another down; this kind of wild conspiracy theorizing took it (and the associated humor) to another level entirely with wild claims that were vehemently forwarded and DonkeyDefended; pertaining to how Al Haymon could possibly be setting up a false positive test-result for PacJuice - whom actually, at that very same time, was interestingly (as history now shows us) most likely busy PacRoach working out how to best conceal and play the shoulder injury for all its worth whilst continuing with the campaign of FloydHate and “FalseFloydKO” predictions. • So given all that, a good question may be, how did - prior to the fight - some PacQueens know that PacJuice may actually need a PacJuiceLossExcuse after the fight? • Was it a PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition? • Taking in all the above-mentioned considerations and also the plethora of unanswered questions surrounding why/how Pacquaio, not only went about clandestinely managing and/or selectively announcing his “injury” - but also those related to how PacRoach attempted to fraudulently utilize the injury in the most ambiguous and dishonest manner so that it yielded the widest possible range of both, “NSAC approved treatments and/or injections” and excuses; it sure sounds like "PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition". 45) Before the fight PacRoach and some PacQueens claimed Floyd’s sparring with Zab (and others) would not assist him. However, during the fight not only was Floyd mostly undeterred by Pacquaio’s speed (and so called brilliant footwork) - but Floyd also controlled distance, timed, and easily wrong footed Pacquaio beautifully; all throughout the entire 12 rounds. • On almost every occasion that Floyd repetitively used these tactics on Pacquaio; not only did Pacquaio largely fail to adjust whilst Roach failed to offer any counteracting advice - but Pacquaio also kept doing the same things over and over, which only further substantiates that both Pacquaio and Roach - contrary to all their pre-fight hype and claims - really had no alternative plans and/or means to adapt. • Furthermore, and notwithstanding all the above-mentioned considerations including those pertaining to PEDs and catch-weights; Pacquaio displayed no speed that was better than Zab Judah has previously shown. Same for Pacquaio’s much hailed footwork; it simply didn’t matter as he could not catch and cut the ring off in relation to a “cursed 38 year fighter whom (we were consistently told) had shot legs”. Please offer video proof of the fight if you disagree with this claim. • Oh, before I forget, let's deal with the low right hook output of Pacquaio. • Pacquaio - when opponents are not trapped on the ropes and/or cowering - usually only uses that punch as a check or lead hook, and as such he is reliant upon both being faster than his opponent and/or timing them; as well as being reliant upon his opponent predictably and frequently using their (orthodox) left hand. Naseem Hamed had a similar reliance and one of the ways Barrera beat him (aside from Hamed not training properly) was by not feeding Hamed the left jab to work off of. • Now, as I stated before the MayPac fight, and as also happened within it; Pacquaio was nowhere near the degree faster than Floyd that many PacQueens said he would be. • Additionally, Floyd always deployed the correct defensive strategy for the range he held Pacquaio at; so even before Floyd started checking Pacquaio's chin with clean, flush landing, and leading left hooks, Manny sensed he couldn't use his right hook as he normally does. • Then you have the fact that Floyd cleverly used the pawing extended left hand to parry and touch Pacquaio's right glove and to also blur any read Pacquaio could get on Floyd's left hand; to the point where Manny only felt comfortable countering those Floyd lefts (he could see) with a Pacquaio straight left - so his own Pacquaio right hand was there to defend and protect against Floyd's faster and strong left hook that Pacquaio was concerned about; Marquez haunted Pacquaio in this sense and once he realized that Floyd could control, touch, and stun him. • Add to it all, as Pacquaio rushed in, Floyd almost always cleverly turned and turned Pacquaio, ultimately making Pacquaio miss and reset; so Pacquaio could never get the right hook in under those circumstances. •
This is the perfect way to fight a fast southpaw, and if it is not then I would welcome any rationale explanation on why it's not and what is a better strategy for fighting what we were told was the century's best southpaw and Floyd's certain first not just loss - but KO loss. 46) Given that Pacquaio was the dignified and exalted boxer of the decade whom had miraculously moved up all the weight divisions whilst retaining his KO “power”, and that he was also destined to KO Floyd; whom we were relentlessly (over the period of years) told was; scared, didn’t want to make the fight, had shot legs, had the curse of 38, had no answer to Pacquaio’s footwork and hand-speed, chopped bad wood, swam scared, sparred the wrong fighters, came from a family that all were KO’d in their biggest challenges, and participated in (unsubstantiated) blood doping via vampire facials . . . . it is truly amazing that the below and above-mentioned (often overlooked) points, considerations, and questions still - to this PacJuiceLossExcuse day - loom at large over the PacJuiceLossExcuseLandscape . . . . . . . . . . .almost like
StormClouds that no meteorological bureau, DonkeyMagic, or even PacQueenLossExcuseEstablishment seems to be both
willing and
able to
explain. 47) Pac lost. 48) And (unless anyone can both accurately and meaningfully tackle the above questions and considerations {which are by no means the complete set} whilst not running from the mere possibility of explaining), that is pretty much the end of the matter. 49)
Outcome and PacLoss termed in the best possible way for Pacquaio; PacRoach not only mismanaged an injury of a (deliberately) unspecified origin/nature in a manner that they knew was inappropriate and wrong whilst they themselves also attempted to manipulate both process and the NSAC - all in order, or so it seems, to obtain the green light for ambiguous and potentially unspecified/unlimited “injection and/or other injury treatments” - but in doing so, they also (without displaying any obvious concern) defrauded many people, many bookmakers, many betters, and some organizations all around the world; whilst they were on their way to losing to someone that is - regardless of whether you appreciate his personality and fighting style or not - both a better boxer than Pacquaio and also one of the finest technical and “stylistically defensive” fighters of the last few decades, if not the century. 50) Floyd resorted to none of the above-mentioned PacRoachArum pre/post fight tactics and claims, and this fact appears to be largely lost on the PacQueenLossExcuseMovement. 51) Floyd, won, is the victor, and is the superior boxer, and unless the above and below concerns and questions can even begin to be meaningfully addressed, it seems that - save for PacQueen noise and DonkeyLogic - it will stay that way . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please, if you think I have it wrong, I am OK with that.
In that case, please state what sentence/point it is that you think I have it wrong and offer tangible proof and not just PacLossExcuse fan boy public toilet wall CherryPacJuice paint. Also, please, before you put finger to keyboard though and begin to explain how this post is wrong; please also ask yourself why all these questions are both PacQueen and PacRoachArum outstanding and currently ran from; whilst - after the fact - Floyd’s criminal and other past (that he has more than paid the price for) is being dragged up? Why is that the case? There's usually a reason why so many questions are both unpopular and unanswered - particularly when they pertain to matters of interest, accountability, and embarrassment. Personally the easy questions that I’d like to have answered in relation to this matter, and those that have so far been PacQueen run from, are as follows . . . 1) Why Pac didn't (as he did Floyd) sue Arum and Roach for effectively admitting Pac was on the juice? 2) Why didn't Pacquaio's initial affidavit/writ (in relation to his action against Floyd) contain any information related to what Arum and Roach have effectively admitted; pertaining to confirming that Pac was on the juice? 3) Why - only the day before and/or hours before the fight - the PacEntourage (including Roach) was still telling all that Pac was going to KO Floyd; if Pac's shoulder was so injured that it served as a reason/excuse for both; 3a) Injection(s) associated with all the above considerations. 3b) Pacquaio losing the fight. 4) Why did Pacquaio and team (which includes Kontz, Roach, Arum, and all Top Rank’s legal and other services and experience with how to deal with these “matters”) fraudulently populate the NSAC form, and then when discovered fail to announce that fact; instead resorting to unsubstantiated claims, misdirection, and blaming others (PacQueen style); in what was billed as the biggest fight of the century? 5) What are the relationships between; a) No catch-weight advantage for Pacquaio. b) Stringent PED testing prior to the MayPac fight. c) The manner in which PacRoach concealed the PacSteroidRequiringInjury; before PacFraud NSAC form completion. d) What the official/original medical diagnosis and date is; of the PacSteroidRequiringInjury. e) What the official medical diagnosis and/or opinion was that the NSAC formed in conjunction with Pacquaio’s specialists; when they opted not to allow Pacquaio to have a PacExcuse to inject based on the fraudulent NSAC form. f) The manner in which Pacquaio performed PacFraud NSAC form completion. g) What PacRoach would have done had the NSAC not spotted the NSAC form PacFraud. h) How much PacRoach led with their mouths before the fight. i) Pacquaio’s lack of the usual inexhaustible energy. And, Manny Pacquaio’s loss. 6) Why hasn't Pacquaio - now that Arum and Roach have confirmed important facts related to Pacquaio's successful defamation and/or damages action against Floyd - returned to the court (whether it is as a man of God, or not) and amended his earlier affidavits and related claims? I’m not holding my breath on conclusive, tangible, accurate, and detailed answers. What I am expecting to see, is a lot of Donkey Dust as he wildly gallops and Hee-Haws off into the distance completely unaware of all that was said, squirted, and posted, prior to MayPac. Anyway, sorry about the long post PacQueens (and I know that does not apply to most of you) but I did some short posts the other day not only in an effort to see if it changes things - but to also get a rationale debate and possibly answers; but that still, sadly, only resulted in DonkeyMagicGlitterDust and an exacerbation of my bi-polar condition (for which I am self medicating with home cooked Meth; so it's all under control) - so clearly the issue is not (as some claim) with post length . . . . which strangely enough is a metric seems to have a direct relationship to Donkey denial, magic, and logic. Perhaps it’s not post length at all. Perhaps the absence of real answers is the naughty probing questions, content, and also their naughty owner;
StormCentre. Love use all.
“The Truth Is Not Only Always The Easiest To Remember - But It Also Means You Have To Run Away From Questions Less”.
PS: including the above post, currently I have not written about the PacLoss & FloydEasyWin fight of the century more than 1/10th of that which we PacQueen received prior to the MayPac fight. Just keeping it real folks !!!!! :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

My way of thinking is that these (below) are the things that we do know for a fact about Pacquaio, and some - if not all of them - are considerations that even Pacquaio’s fans themselves can't meaningfully and/or accurately answer. Why is that; is not an unreasonable question if haters we do not profess to be?
Warning 1; if your PacQueen sentence limit is greater than 3; please do not PacContinue without a day's break after each set of 3 sentences. As whilst I have placed numbered sentences in there for you the truth may be a bit confronting.
Warning 2; if you will - no matter what - always allow yourself to believe that; (1) the earth is flat, (2) Pacquaio won, (3) Pacquaio and Roach were not fraudulent, (4) Floyd is evil, (5) there is no accountability for anything we say and do whilst at the same time we can feel comfortable trying to hang accountability unfairly on Floyd, and that (6) never ever meaningfully explaining is a worthwhile religion - just as it’s doctrine of “the facts and truth are a lie” is, and that that same doctrine is both gospel to be believed and therefore should never be questioned; then look away as this post and the questions and truths within it will probably not make you happy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Pacquaio was beaten by Morales, but later avenged the loss. 2) Pac got iced by Marquez. 3) Floyd owned Marquez. 4) Floyd is unbeaten. 5) Pac committed perjury and lied on the NSAC form (that was used as a means to obtain an injection), including that section where he marked/ticked “no” and offered no explanation; a section that asks about injuries. 6) Within boxing’s history; Pacquaio has probably has one of the - if not the - most spectacular rise through weight divisions as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight. 6a) One of the reasons for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions he has scaled is because as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight, he has retained his power and been able to, even in the higher weight divisions that he has campaigned in (but often not without a catch weight advantage), stop and/or KO guys; which is almost completely unheard of throughout boxings’ entire history. 6b) Another reason for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions that he has scaled, is because during the years prior to the recent MayPac fight when the negotiations for the same fight were initiated Pacquaio refused outright to take blood tests, as Floyd requested. At this time Ariza was in Pacquaio’s camp feeding him the drinks and/or other substances that he refused to explain to Roach when asked, and the PacRoachReasons given by PacRoach for Pacquaio not taking the tests were (at that time) along the (seemingly incredible) lines that Pacquaio doesn’t like needles and/or giving blood. Roach would, in later years, and on video, admit that they (PacRoach) screwed up the negotiations for a MayPac fight back then. 7) The cloud of performance enhancing drug use - even before Roach and Arum (publicly, on video, and in Pacquaio’s presence, and without PacJuices’ objection) all but completely confirmed it - has, in one way or another, always hung over Pacquaio’s performances; due to his ability to not only hardly ever seem to lose “power” as he rose through the weight divisions - but also due to his seemingly endless ability to fight with unseen before intensity and remain utterly tireless. 8) Floyd has not been the only prominent boxing figure to raise concerns about Pacquaio’s performances. There have been several others. 9) Pacquaio - only hours prior to the MayPac fight and whilst both, having just completed a very stringent PED testing phase (that he passed) and also looking for an injection - questionably signed the NSCA form in a manner that quite literally defies belief (effectively claiming no injury existed for the injection he actually requested because of it????) and therefore, in that act, Pacquaio committed perjury. This (steroid and possible PED masking and/or PacPEDaccidentExcuse) incident took place after PacKontzRoach; 9a) Fraudulently claimed Floyd would not sign the (non-existent) contract (effectively damaging Floyd's reputation with lies); yet Floyd - unlike Pacquaio with Floyd's seemingly correct PED assertion - did not issue PacKontzRoach with a writ for their false allegations. 9b) Publicly claimed Floyd was scared - a claim that we can now see is not just as manifestly wrong as the claims PacRoach released pre-MayPac - but also bordering being as laughable as how PacRoach have been deceiving both society and the boxing world, if not for years with PEDs and catch weights, then at least during the build up to MayPac; as recent court cases brought about by those other than Floyd that possess an indirect interest in the fight, clearly substantiate. 9c) Pacquaio had just been through what probably constitutes Pacquaio’s most heaviest performance enhancing drug testing phase, ever. 10) By concealing the “injury” for weeks whilst it was allegedly known, then populating the NSAC form fraudulently and also unprofessionally delivering it to the NSAC only hours before the fight and at a time when (it was surely PacRoachArum known that) the NSAC would have minimal time themselves to properly assess the matter (seemingly increasing the chances of, not just the NSAC wilting under PacFraudulentNSACform pressure and PacRoach obtaining a PacJuiceInjection to both break and close out the PED testing drought/phase - but also of manufacturing a "officialized" NSAC PacLossExcuse); PacRoachArum not only (effectively) attempted to “play” the NSAC - but they also effectively used the fraudulent/dodgy NSAC form as a means to obtain an “injection green light” or "injection
s excuse" only hours before the fight (without so much as even bothering to announce/define the “injury” properly and previously when it mattered) and in such a manner that presents the following facts and/or considerations; 10a) Had PacJuice after the fight “accidentally” been found with a banned substance in his body (in addition to the “injection” that USADA was said to have approved; despite the absence of paperwork proof to support that and other related Arum claims) the widest berth possible would have then been created for an almost infinite amount of possible PacLoss and/or PacPEDaccident Excuses (which by the way had already PacQueen started prior to the fight) "explaining" the banned substance
s’ presence; due to not only how the NSAC form was fraudulently populated - but also the manner in which PacRoachArum attempted to get the NSAC to agree to their requests, become a scapegoat, and effectively “work at risk”. 10b) In the (inevitable) event of a PacLoss outcome arising from the MayPac fight; by approaching the NSAC in such a fraudulent, concerning and obviously calculated manner, and by also coercing them to become compromised and legally liable, creates and serves as (not just an example of how much PacRoachArum thought really went into the associated deception and achieving whatever the real PacRoach objectives where, but also) an extremely powerful and malleable “PacLossExcuse”; keeping the dream and gravy train alive. 11) Currently (despite how long ago it is when the concealed but valuable {if played correctly and no-one does their job properly} "injury" is said to have had its genesis) Pacquaio has not released reliable medical confirmation defining not only the true nature and extent of the "injury" - but also confirming when the "injury" actually first existed; therefore making it almost impossible to know whether a typical gym injury has just been “sat on” and then "brought out of the shed" for the above-mentioned curiously managed purposes and "advantages". • Only when not viewed with the concerns and allegations associated with Pacquaio's alleged (and Arum and Roach confirmed) past PED use are these considerations not alarming; making it extremely easy to see how the NSAC really did their job properly - as the entire manner in which the "PacInjectionRequiring(ButNotDefined)Injury" was PacRoach; concealed, managed, and fraudulently documented . . all at the last moment and just before the fight . . . possessed all the hallmarks of a ready made (lawyer designed) excuse for any "accidental" and positive PED test result. • The cleverly designed PacLossExcuse and PacAccidentalPEDpositiveTestResult was almost - had it not been for the diligent work of the NSAC - perfect; replete with commissions and other agencies to blame, scapegoat, and utilize for smokescreen and other misdirection purposes. • Such design, in my view, could only initially come from someone extremely familiar with all process and the law; despite the fact that Pacquaio and Roach were obviously complicit. 12) Currently the NSAC and/or any related other person/body appears to have come forward and claimed to have been presented (by PacRoach) with documented proof of what Pacquaio’s injury really was when it was first defined; thus preventing us from really knowing how long PacRoachArum sat on the injury and when/whom they told. 13) The NSAC doctors and specialists claim to have examined Pacquaio and to have also spoke with those PacRoach and/or Arum claimed were familiar with the PacJuice Injury. Based on this, the assessment that the NSAC performed (with PacJuices' specialists), and also based on PacRoachArum’s final decision, Pacquaio was then allowed to fight Floyd without any injection (that was publicly known of). 14) During the MayPac fight there was absolutely no visible evidence of Pacquaio wincing and/or nursing a rotator cuff injury of the extent to which were are expected explains a PacLoss (please - especially PacEntourage - produce video evidence if you disagree). Accordingly, all that we have to support such a claim is PacRoachArum and PacQueens assertions that allege that a rotator cuff injury was itself responsible for Pacquaio’s low right hand output (and the PacLoss); which not only appears to directly conflict with fight video revealing how Pacquaio actually adducted, abducted, rotated, and in general used his right arm/shoulder/hand in the fight without any hesitation and also in numerous ways - but it also asks us to trust various MayPacPacLossExcuse identities that have (without doubt) already proven that they are way less than forthright with the; public, bookmakers, law, commissions, and also Floyd. 15) Indonesia had a public holiday to celebrate Floyd outsmarting and beating Pacquaio. 16) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight; yet despite claiming to know of the injury weeks and possibly months before the fight, they - in direct conflict with most other fighters that are genuinely sitting on a fight-losing injury - still released wildly confident and absurd predictions of a KO win; strangely right up to the days preceding the fight. Almost as if they knew the shoulder injury was more of a get out of jail free card in the event they didn’t win; rather than the genuine fight-stopping and truly steroid-injection-requiring grievance that we were all - (but only) post MayPac - told. 17) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight and didn’t perform well; yet according to PacRoach and PacQueens, it is Floyd’s fault the fight was not all it was promised/meant to be. 18) As touched on above; Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit (publicly on video and whilst Pacquaio is present and without objection) that Pacquaio has been using PEDs, particularly when Ariza was in his camp. •
However, despite this remarkable consideration and/or fact, it appears that no such information was provided to the courts and in affidavits (when it mattered) by Team Pacquaio during those times when Pacquaio both mounted and ran his legal case against Floyd; seemingly to address what was "then" called Floyd's damaging and untruthful assertions that Pacquaio was on PEDs (which are Floyd assertions that both Arum and Roach have now all but completely confirmed they knew were true even when Pacquaio ran his aforementioned {fraudulent and perjurious [similar to NSAC injury/forms???]} case against Floyd). • My understanding of the law and lawyer's obligations is that . . . . if not Pacquaio (which is a monstrous benefit of the doubt; as he would be obliged to provide such information), then surely if Arum (a lawyer) was a part of the said writ; then Arum is obliged (as, whatever the American equivalent terms are to the Australian terms of; an officer of the courts and servant to justice) to present such considerations to the court. 19) Almost all Pacquaio’s recent/big wins (by KO or not) have involved Ariza (and therefore the strong possibility of PEDs; as Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit he has been using PEDs) and/or a catch-weight and/or has involved fighting guys that Floyd had already beaten. Whilst PacQueens have largely ignored this and considered it not relevant, it - along with confirming how Ariza actually "assisted" Pacquaio previously - appears to be the primary reason Floyd took Ariza away; so Pac could not use him 20) No Floyd or Pacquaio common opponents predicted a Pacquaio win when interviewed on the “Legends Sspeak” video. 21) For the first time in a long time when both operating at/around welterweight and with a top level fighter; with his losing fight against Floyd, Pacquaio was USADA confirmed to not be using PEDs and/or a catch - weight advantage. In the MayPac fight Pacquaio clearly - that is, in the eyes of the judges, the majority of people, and also the majority of active and inactive fighters - not only lost, but he also displayed none of the efficiency, energy, and power that he exhibited in many of his signature wins. 22) As touched on above; Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs; this was before the above-mentioned circumstance where Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst successfully fighting and winning via catch weight contracts. • Considering the above/below; there is good reason to believe that when Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs, at that same time Pacquaio was taking PEDs but he also knew that Floyd could not prove it. • At the same when Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs, Ariza was working at Roaches' gym predominantly with Manny. 23) After Pacquaio sat near both Arum and Roach at that above-mentioned time when they all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst at the same time fighting and winning via catch weight contracts; Pacquaio opted not to sue Arum and/or Roach for effectively confirming (Floyd’s suspicions and alleging) Pacquaio was using PEDs via drinks Ariza not only gave him -
but would not explain when asked; which (the
bolded part) itself, is remarkably similar to a circumstance that is not at all unlike some PacQueens when asked about the considerations herein. 24) During the MayPac fight there was no evidence of the old and almost fatigueless Pacquaio that we have all previously seen before; such as when Ariza was in Pacquaio's camp and catch weights were the order of the day. 25) Roach and Pacquaio - via the above-mentioned circumstances and also that fraudulent behavior they have either admitted to or now been caught at - effectively ripped off the majority of bookmakers and Casinos around the world by concealing Pacquaio’s alleged injury and then failing to comply with obligations pertaining to not only announcing and treating injuries appropriately - but also seeking consideration from the NSAC. To add to it all, when the aforementioned tactics didn’t work, they then set about making PacLoss&OtherExcuses and attacking the integrity and professionalism of the NSAC - whom - based on the available evidence - appear to have acted completely professionally and appropriately. 26) Had PacRoach treated the “injury” appropriately, unambiguously, and professionally, and had they announced it when it was first known, the “injury” then would have been virtually impossible to be used not only as a means to mask any PED agent - but also as a PacLossExcuse. This is why the NSAC form in question and also its related protocols are designed the way they are; to prevent not just accidental and/or purposeful advantages in dangerous combat sports being obtained - but also to prevent cheating. 27) Arum’s claims about USADA seemingly approving the “injection” PacJuice was planning to have on the 11th hour and just prior to the MayPac fight - via the fraudulent NSAC paperwork - claims that were themselves released in a manner and with strong overtones that infer/suggest that there was no reason for NSAC to not “fall in line” on the “PacRoachInjectionPapworkFraud”; (even aside from the overlooked and most likely missing accurate paperwork trail between both USADA and the NSAC that PacRoacArum have conveniently failed to substantiate) fall so dismally short of explaining the whole story that it is as if they too live in PacQueenDonkeyWonderland. It is nothing short of truly shameful and (to me) highly reminiscent of when Top Rank continued to - at times to Cotto's personal and other detriment - support Margarito after plaster was discovered in his wraps. 28) Furthermore, Arum (a lawyer and someone that is almost always constantly involved in some form of litigation) claims in relation to having contacted the NSAC prior to the night of the MayPac fight when the above-mentioned means were used to obtain a PacInjection for Pacquaio; are, unfortunately, associated not only with no phone records - but also without any proof that such communication-content ever existed and/or took place. 29) Therefore, following on from point 28; Arum’s claims that the NSAC were notified earlier than that time when PacJuice - via blatantly fraudulent paperwork - wanted to obtain NSAC approval for an injection (injections?) only hours before the fight; not only remain unsubstantiated - but they also remain in direct conflict with the NSAC themselves. Arum's inferences and claims in relation to any/all USADA and NSAC communication related to the matter are, in my opinion, not only equally questionable - but also just as outstanding. 30) Capacity to DonkeyMagicMislead public; when Arum first released the above-mentioned NSAC communication claim, at that time, he also seemed to fail to hint at and/or appropriately announce the fraudulent paperwork (that had, then, already been forwarded and/or discovered to/by the NSAC) could have been and/or had been used to obtain; 30a) A PacInjection pertaining to a (previously and questionably concealed) shoulder injury that the signed NSAC PacPaperwork fraudulently claimed didn’t exist. 30b) A PacInjection (PED related or otherwise) that was outside of the intended purposes that the NSAC could have been reasonably expected to approve based on the dodgy paperwork (that, in its fraudulently forwarded form, left it unbelievably wide open to, later and after the fact, not only argue that other substances may have been PacJuiceInjury necessary - but to also shift blame; as we see has happened with Arum and PacLossExcuse). 30c) A PacLossExcuse. 31) To put it mildly; Roach and Pacquaio (and PacQueens) talked an extremely good game before the fight; but delivered very little in it. 32) Floyd, by comparison, and aside from remaining confident of a win, hardly talked big before the fight; but still delivered the win via a strategy that PacRoach not only claimed to be boring - but also claimed to be very well prepared for and familiar with - despite having absolutely no answer for it when it mattered. 33) This above-mentioned lack of pre-MayPac disquiet on Floyd’s part was assumed and claimed by many a PacQueen and also PacRoach to be evidence of Floyd’s fear; they were wrong. 34) Pacquaio did not manage to break either of Floyd’s typically used defences; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 35) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s straight right hand that Floyd typically and almost always successfully uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 36) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s left hook that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 37) Pacquaio did not manage to capitalize on Floyd’s allegedly shot legs that, we were told, he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 38) Contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout; Pacquaio not only didn’t manage to KO Floyd - but he was unable to effectively apply any pressure - even though Floyd slowed the fight down to a pace that suited him and - according to the PacBrigade - fought a fight that involved little attacking on Floyd’s part; therefore offering more (wasted?) opportunities for Pacquaio to do all that he and Roach loudly predicted. 39) No-one (including PacQueens) yet appears to (want to know about, let alone) have explained why the specialists that were allegedly familiar with Pacquaio’s “steroid requiring 2 hours before the fight and with fraudulent paperwork injury” (when they were consulted by the NSAC) not only came to same conclusion as the NSAC did - but also expressed to the NSAC that the PacInjury didn’t warrant a PacInjection. 40) No-one appears to have yet meaningfully and/or publicly considered the NSAC’s role and responsibility in this matter. Particularly given that Pacquaio has a reasonably well defined PED history (Arum and Roach have effectively admitted it) and that he has also - selectively - chosen who he litigates with in relation to those that have claimed Pacquaio uses performance enhancing drugs; preferring to legally attack the person that very well may have been speaking the truth about Pacquaio at such times as when he knew that person was correct but could not prove it. 41) Not to mention that the subject of the aforementioned (point 40 and others) “PacPerformance enhancing drugs allegation litigation” (that Pacquaio himself {and probably Arum} initiated) just happened to be against the very same person that Pacquaio was fighting, on the same night that Pacquaio himself also used fraudulent NSAC paperwork in an attempt to obtain an 11th hour advantage (whether justified or not) - that could have also been an advantage that served to excuse and/or mask performance enhancing drugs; whilst at the same time (the NSAC must also consider all this, and also that) Pacquaio has opted to not litigate against Arum and Roach - whom have all but completely confirmed that the Floyd-PED-allegation (that Pacquaio initially sued Floyd over) was in fact - contrary to Pacquaio’s own writ’s claims - true. • Given all these (often overlooked considerations and/or facts) it is remarkable that some - usually those that can't meaningfully answer these questions - still chose to place their head in the sand, preferring to resort to claiming that the NSAC was incompetent and that the shoulder injury PacLossExcuse saves the day and face. • And, perhaps that's because an examination of all the facts leaves you with only one clear and logical conclusion; what else could the NSAC do given both the PacPEDHistory, PacInjuryConcealment, and also the PacNSACformFraud related to the matter and also all those closely related to it? • No PacQueen has yet stepped forward with a meaningful and complete answer to this question; instead preferring to drag up Floyd's past and resort to the same pre-MayPac unsubstantiated claim throwing tactics. I think we know why. 42) Why would Pacquaio sue Floyd for Floyd’s (seemingly) false PacPED claims that assert Pacquaio was using performance enhancing drugs to achieve his boxing success, but then not sue and/or treat both Roach and Arum the same? This consideration is particularly poignant when one realizes that both Roach and Arum, whom - insofar as Pacquaio’s writ against Floyd goes and also the definitions within it pertaining to damages are concerned - clearly have caused Pacquaio, at least, the same amount of reputational damage by way of their public admissions pertaining to PacJuices' PED use? • Could it be that Pacquaio knows that, should he take the ArumRoach performance enhancing drug confirmation and “damages” matter to court against both Arum and/or Roach, he would almost certainly lose against them (as they know the truth; a truth that appears to have been withheld from the Pacquaio V Mayweather court case in a similar fashion to how the PacInjury was withheld and then used to suit), and then - in that situation - open the door for Floyd to reverse the previous court decision, and prove what has really happened? • Or could it be that - despite the (now questionable) Pacquaio V Mayweather court case that Pacquaio initiated (and all the Pacquaio claims within it) that was ultimately awarded to Pacquaio - there really are no genuine "damages" in relation to this matter; because Floyd’s allegations about Pacquaio using PEDs were not only spot on the MoneyMay - but have now also been confirmed by Ariza? • Take a deep breath before answering that one ladies, gentlemen, realists, and PacQueens; then ask honestly yourself, with that much at stake, would you have - if you were Floyd and 38 - just gone out there and fought the (claimed) best southpaw and fighter of the century in a reckless and haphazard manner? 43) Before the fight both PacRoach and PacQueens vehemently claimed that Floyd’s legs were shot - then after the fight (in true PacLossExcuseQueen form) the same people then claimed that Floyd ran too much. A good question may be how did Floyd do this (run) with shot legs? 44) Before the MayPac fight PacQueens began to construct a theory that seemed to almost perfectly allow for a positive performance enhancing drug test- result - one that Pacquaio was yet to throw. Whilst boxing is no stranger to and, to some extent relies upon (particularly promotion wise), shaded faith and also those whom are relatively easily marketed to and susceptible to the image of a fighter knocking another down; this kind of wild conspiracy theorizing took it (and the associated humor) to another level entirely with wild claims that were vehemently forwarded and DonkeyDefended; pertaining to how Al Haymon could possibly be setting up a false positive test-result for PacJuice - whom actually, at that very same time, was interestingly (as history now shows us) most likely busy PacRoach working out how to best conceal and play the shoulder injury for all its worth whilst continuing with the campaign of FloydHate and “FalseFloydKO” predictions. • So given all that, a good question may be, how did - prior to the fight - some PacQueens know that PacJuice may actually need a PacJuiceLossExcuse after the fight? • Was it a PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition? • Taking in all the above-mentioned considerations and also the plethora of unanswered questions surrounding why/how Pacquaio, not only went about clandestinely managing and/or selectively announcing his “injury” - but also those related to how PacRoach attempted to fraudulently utilize the injury in the most ambiguous and dishonest manner so that it yielded the widest possible range of both, “NSAC approved treatments and/or injections” and excuses; it sure sounds like "PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition". 45) Before the fight PacRoach and some PacQueens claimed Floyd’s sparring with Zab (and others) would not assist him. However, during the fight not only was Floyd mostly undeterred by Pacquaio’s speed (and so called brilliant footwork) - but Floyd also controlled distance, timed, and easily wrong footed Pacquaio beautifully; all throughout the entire 12 rounds. • On almost every occasion that Floyd repetitively used these tactics on Pacquaio; not only did Pacquaio largely fail to adjust whilst Roach failed to offer any counteracting advice - but Pacquaio also kept doing the same things over and over, which only further substantiates that both Pacquaio and Roach - contrary to all their pre-fight hype and claims - really had no alternative plans and/or means to adapt. • Furthermore, and notwithstanding all the above-mentioned considerations including those pertaining to PEDs and catch-weights; Pacquaio displayed no speed that was better than Zab Judah has previously shown. Same for Pacquaio’s much hailed footwork; it simply didn’t matter as he could not catch and cut the ring off in relation to a “cursed 38 year fighter whom (we were consistently told) had shot legs”. Please offer video proof of the fight if you disagree with this claim. • Oh, before I forget, let's deal with the low right hook output of Pacquaio. • Pacquaio - when opponents are not trapped on the ropes and/or cowering - usually only uses that punch as a check or lead hook, and as such he is reliant upon both being faster than his opponent and/or timing them; as well as being reliant upon his opponent predictably and frequently using their (orthodox) left hand. Naseem Hamed had a similar reliance and one of the ways Barrera beat him (aside from Hamed not training properly) was by not feeding Hamed the left jab to work off of. • Now, as I stated before the MayPac fight, and as also happened within it; Pacquaio was nowhere near the degree faster than Floyd that many PacQueens said he would be. • Additionally, Floyd always deployed the correct defensive strategy for the range he held Pacquaio at; so even before Floyd started checking Pacquaio's chin with clean, flush landing, and leading left hooks, Manny sensed he couldn't use his right hook as he normally does. • Then you have the fact that Floyd cleverly used the pawing extended left hand to parry and touch Pacquaio's right glove and to also blur any read Pacquaio could get on Floyd's left hand; to the point where Manny only felt comfortable countering those Floyd lefts (he could see) with a Pacquaio straight left - so his own Pacquaio right hand was there to defend and protect against Floyd's faster and strong left hook that Pacquaio was concerned about; Marquez haunted Pacquaio in this sense and once he realized that Floyd could control, touch, and stun him. • Add to it all, as Pacquaio rushed in, Floyd almost always cleverly turned and turned Pacquaio, ultimately making Pacquaio miss and reset; so Pacquaio could never get the right hook in under those circumstances. •
This is the perfect way to fight a fast southpaw, and if it is not then I would welcome any rationale explanation on why it's not and what is a better strategy for fighting what we were told was the century's best southpaw and Floyd's certain first not just loss - but KO loss. 46) Given that Pacquaio was the dignified and exalted boxer of the decade whom had miraculously moved up all the weight divisions whilst retaining his KO “power”, and that he was also destined to KO Floyd; whom we were relentlessly (over the period of years) told was; scared, didn’t want to make the fight, had shot legs, had the curse of 38, had no answer to Pacquaio’s footwork and hand-speed, chopped bad wood, swam scared, sparred the wrong fighters, came from a family that all were KO’d in their biggest challenges, and participated in (unsubstantiated) blood doping via vampire facials . . . . it is truly amazing that the below and above-mentioned (often overlooked) points, considerations, and questions still - to this PacJuiceLossExcuse day - loom at large over the PacJuiceLossExcuseLandscape . . . . . . . . . . .almost like
StormClouds that no meteorological bureau, DonkeyMagic, or even PacQueenLossExcuseEstablishment seems to be both
willing and
able to
explain. 47) Pac lost. 48) And (unless anyone can both accurately and meaningfully tackle the above questions and considerations {which are by no means the complete set} whilst not running from the mere possibility of explaining), that is pretty much the end of the matter. 49)
Outcome and PacLoss termed in the best possible way for Pacquaio; PacRoach not only mismanaged an injury of a (deliberately) unspecified origin/nature in a manner that they knew was inappropriate and wrong whilst they themselves also attempted to manipulate both process and the NSAC - all in order, or so it seems, to obtain the green light for ambiguous and potentially unspecified/unlimited “injection and/or other injury treatments” - but in doing so, they also (without displaying any obvious concern) defrauded many people, many bookmakers, many betters, and some organizations all around the world; whilst they were on their way to losing to someone that is - regardless of whether you appreciate his personality and fighting style or not - both a better boxer than Pacquaio and also one of the finest technical and “stylistically defensive” fighters of the last few decades, if not the century. 50) Floyd resorted to none of the above-mentioned PacRoachArum pre/post fight tactics and claims, and this fact appears to be largely lost on the PacQueenLossExcuseMovement. 51) Floyd, won, is the victor, and is the superior boxer, and unless the above and below concerns and questions can even begin to be meaningfully addressed, it seems that - save for PacQueen noise and DonkeyLogic - it will stay that way . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please, if you think I have it wrong, I am OK with that.
In that case, please state what sentence/point it is that you think I have it wrong and offer tangible proof and not just PacLossExcuse fan boy public toilet wall CherryPacJuice paint. Also, please, before you put finger to keyboard though and begin to explain how this post is wrong; please also ask yourself why all these questions are both PacQueen and PacRoachArum outstanding and currently ran from; whilst - after the fact - Floyd’s criminal and other past (that he has more than paid the price for) is being dragged up? Why is that the case? There's usually a reason why so many questions are both unpopular and unanswered - particularly when they pertain to matters of interest, accountability, and embarrassment. Personally the easy questions that I’d like to have answered in relation to this matter, and those that have so far been PacQueen run from, are as follows . . . 1) Why Pac didn't (as he did Floyd) sue Arum and Roach for effectively admitting Pac was on the juice? 2) Why didn't Pacquaio's initial affidavit/writ (in relation to his action against Floyd) contain any information related to what Arum and Roach have effectively admitted; pertaining to confirming that Pac was on the juice? 3) Why - only the day before and/or hours before the fight - the PacEntourage (including Roach) was still telling all that Pac was going to KO Floyd; if Pac's shoulder was so injured that it served as a reason/excuse for both; 3a) Injection(s) associated with all the above considerations. 3b) Pacquaio losing the fight. 4) Why did Pacquaio and team (which includes Kontz, Roach, Arum, and all Top Rank’s legal and other services and experience with how to deal with these “matters”) fraudulently populate the NSAC form, and then when discovered fail to announce that fact; instead resorting to unsubstantiated claims, misdirection, and blaming others (PacQueen style); in what was billed as the biggest fight of the century? 5) What are the relationships between; a) No catch-weight advantage for Pacquaio. b) Stringent PED testing prior to the MayPac fight. c) The manner in which PacRoach concealed the PacSteroidRequiringInjury; before PacFraud NSAC form completion. d) What the official/original medical diagnosis and date is; of the PacSteroidRequiringInjury. e) What the official medical diagnosis and/or opinion was that the NSAC formed in conjunction with Pacquaio’s specialists; when they opted not to allow Pacquaio to have a PacExcuse to inject based on the fraudulent NSAC form. f) The manner in which Pacquaio performed PacFraud NSAC form completion. g) What PacRoach would have done had the NSAC not spotted the NSAC form PacFraud. h) How much PacRoach led with their mouths before the fight. i) Pacquaio’s lack of the usual inexhaustible energy. And, Manny Pacquaio’s loss. 6) Why hasn't Pacquaio - now that Arum and Roach have confirmed important facts related to Pacquaio's successful defamation and/or damages action against Floyd - returned to the court (whether it is as a man of God, or not) and amended his earlier affidavits and related claims? I’m not holding my breath on conclusive, tangible, accurate, and detailed answers. What I am expecting to see, is a lot of Donkey Dust as he wildly gallops and Hee-Haws off into the distance completely unaware of all that was said, squirted, and posted, prior to MayPac. Anyway, sorry about the long post PacQueens (and I know that does not apply to most of you) but I did some short posts the other day not only in an effort to see if it changes things - but to also get a rationale debate and possibly answers; but that still, sadly, only resulted in DonkeyMagicGlitterDust and an exacerbation of my bi-polar condition (for which I am self medicating with home cooked Meth; so it's all under control) - so clearly the issue is not (as some claim) with post length . . . . which strangely enough is a metric seems to have a direct relationship to Donkey denial, magic, and logic. Perhaps it’s not post length at all. Perhaps the absence of real answers is the naughty probing questions, content, and also their naughty owner;
StormCentre. Love use all.
“The Truth Is Not Only Always The Easiest To Remember - But It Also Means You Have To Run Away From Questions Less”.
PS: including the above post, currently I have not written about the PacLoss & FloydEasyWin fight of the century more than 1/10th of that which we PacQueen received prior to the MayPac fight. Just keeping it real folks !!!!! :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

My way of thinking is that these (below) are the things that we do know for a fact about Pacquaio, and some - if not all of them - are considerations that even Pacquaio’s fans themselves can't meaningfully and/or accurately answer. Why is that; is not an unreasonable question if haters we do not profess to be?
Warning 1; if your PacQueen sentence limit is greater than 3; please do not PacContinue without a day's break after each set of 3 sentences. As whilst I have placed numbered sentences in there for you the truth may be a bit confronting.
Warning 2; if you will - no matter what - always allow yourself to believe that; (1) the earth is flat, (2) Pacquaio won, (3) Pacquaio and Roach were not fraudulent, (4) Floyd is evil, (5) there is no accountability for anything we say and do whilst at the same time we can feel comfortable trying to hang accountability unfairly on Floyd, and that (6) never ever meaningfully explaining is a worthwhile religion - just as it’s doctrine of “the facts and truth are a lie” is, and that that same doctrine is both gospel to be believed and therefore should never be questioned; then look away as this post and the questions and truths within it will probably not make you happy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1) Pacquaio was beaten by Morales, but later avenged the loss. 2) Pac got iced by Marquez. 3) Floyd owned Marquez. 4) Floyd is unbeaten. 5) Pac committed perjury and lied on the NSAC form (that was used as a means to obtain an injection), including that section where he marked/ticked “no” and offered no explanation; a section that asks about injuries. 6) Within boxing’s history; Pacquaio has probably had one of - if not - the most spectacular rise through weight divisions, as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight. 6a) One of the reasons for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions he has scaled is because as he has moved up and through each successive weight division from flyweight, he has retained his power and been able to, even in the higher weight divisions that he has campaigned in (but often not without a catch weight advantage), stop and/or KO guys; which is almost completely unheard of throughout boxings’ entire history. 6b) Another reason for Pacquaio’s star shining so brightly - but also being (perhaps justifiably) questioned by some - during Pacquaio’s spectacular rise through all the weight divisions that he has scaled, is because during the years prior to the recent MayPac fight when the negotiations for the same fight were initiated Pacquaio refused outright to take blood tests, as Floyd requested. At this time Ariza was in Pacquaio’s camp feeding him the drinks and/or other substances that he refused to explain to Roach when asked, and the PacRoachReasons given by PacRoach for Pacquaio not taking the tests were (at that time) along the (seemingly incredible) lines that Pacquaio doesn’t like needles and/or giving blood. Roach would, in later years, and on video, admit that they (PacRoach) screwed up the negotiations for a MayPac fight back then. 7) The cloud of performance enhancing drug use - even before Roach and Arum (publicly, on video, and in Pacquaio’s presence, and without PacJuices’ objection) all but completely confirmed it - has, in one way or another, always hung over Pacquaio’s performances; due to his ability to not only hardly ever seem to lose “power” as he rose through the weight divisions - but also due to his seemingly endless ability to fight with unseen before intensity and remain utterly tireless. 8) Floyd has not been the only prominent boxing figure to raise concerns about Pacquaio’s performances. There have been several others. 9) Pacquaio - only hours prior to the MayPac fight and whilst both, having just completed a very stringent PED testing phase (that he passed) and also looking for an injection - questionably signed the NSCA form in a manner that quite literally defies belief (effectively claiming no injury existed for the injection he actually requested because of it????) and therefore, in that act, Pacquaio committed perjury. This (steroid and possible PED masking and/or PacPEDaccidentExcuse) incident took place after PacKontzRoach; 9a) Fraudulently claimed Floyd would not sign the (non-existent) contract (effectively damaging Floyd's reputation with lies); yet Floyd - unlike Pacquaio with Floyd's seemingly correct PED assertion - did not issue PacKontzRoach with a writ for their false allegations. 9b) Publicly claimed Floyd was scared - a claim that we can now see is not just as manifestly wrong as the claims PacRoach released pre-MayPac - but also bordering being as laughable as how PacRoach have been deceiving both society and the boxing world, if not for years with PEDs and catch weights, then at least during the build up to MayPac; as recent court cases brought about by those other than Floyd that possess an indirect interest in the fight, clearly substantiate. 9c) Pacquaio had just been through what probably constitutes Pacquaio’s most heaviest performance enhancing drug testing phase, ever. 10) By concealing the “injury” for weeks whilst it was allegedly known, then populating the NSAC form fraudulently and also unprofessionally delivering it to the NSAC only hours before the fight and at a time when (it was surely PacRoachArum known that) the NSAC would have minimal time themselves to properly assess the matter (seemingly increasing the chances of, not just the NSAC wilting under PacFraudulentNSACform pressure and PacRoach obtaining a PacJuiceInjection to both break and close out the PED testing drought/phase - but also of manufacturing a "officialized" NSAC PacLossExcuse); PacRoachArum not only (effectively) attempted to “play” the NSAC - but they also effectively used the fraudulent/dodgy NSAC form as a means to obtain an “injection green light” or "injection
s excuse" only hours before the fight (without so much as even bothering to announce/define the “injury” properly and previously when it mattered) and in such a manner that presents the following facts and/or considerations; 10a) Had PacJuice after the fight “accidentally” been found with a banned substance in his body (in addition to the “injection” that USADA was said to have approved; despite the absence of paperwork proof to support that and other related Arum claims) the widest berth possible would have then been created for an almost infinite amount of possible PacLoss and/or PacPEDaccident Excuses (which by the way had already PacQueen started prior to the fight) "explaining" the banned substance
s’ presence; due to not only how the NSAC form was fraudulently populated - but also the manner in which PacRoachArum attempted to get the NSAC to agree to their requests, become a scapegoat, and effectively “work at risk”. 10b) In the (inevitable) event of a PacLoss outcome arising from the MayPac fight; by approaching the NSAC in such a fraudulent, concerning and obviously calculated manner, and by also coercing them to become compromised and legally liable, creates and serves as (not just an example of how much PacRoachArum thought really went into the associated deception and achieving whatever the real PacRoach objectives where, but also) an extremely powerful and malleable “PacLossExcuse”; keeping the dream and gravy train alive. 11) Currently (despite how long ago it is when the concealed but valuable {if played correctly and no-one does their job properly} "injury" is said to have had its genesis) Pacquaio has not released reliable medical confirmation defining not only the true nature and extent of the "injury" - but also confirming when the "injury" actually first existed; therefore making it almost impossible to know whether a typical gym injury has just been “sat on” and then "brought out of the shed" for the above-mentioned curiously managed purposes and "advantages". • Only when not viewed with the concerns and allegations associated with Pacquaio's alleged (and Arum and Roach confirmed) past PED use are these considerations not alarming; making it extremely easy to see how the NSAC really did their job properly - as the entire manner in which the "PacInjectionRequiring(ButNotDefined)Injury" was PacRoach; concealed, managed, and fraudulently documented . . all at the last moment and just before the fight . . . possessed all the hallmarks of a ready made (lawyer designed) excuse for any "accidental" and positive PED test result. • The cleverly designed PacLossExcuse and PacAccidentalPEDpositiveTestResult was almost - had it not been for the diligent work of the NSAC - perfect; replete with commissions and other agencies to blame, scapegoat, and utilize for smokescreen and other misdirection purposes. • Such design, in my view, could only initially come from someone extremely familiar with all process and the law; despite the fact that Pacquaio and Roach were obviously complicit. 12) Currently the NSAC and/or any related other person/body appears to have come forward and claimed to have been presented (by PacRoach) with documented proof of what Pacquaio’s injury really was when it was first defined; thus preventing us from really knowing how long PacRoachArum sat on the injury and when/whom they told. 13) The NSAC doctors and specialists claim to have examined Pacquaio and to have also spoke with those PacRoach and/or Arum claimed were familiar with the PacJuice Injury. Based on this, the assessment that the NSAC performed (with PacJuices' specialists), and also based on PacRoachArum’s final decision, Pacquaio was then allowed to fight Floyd without any injection (that was publicly known of). 14) During the MayPac fight there was absolutely no visible evidence of Pacquaio wincing and/or nursing a rotator cuff injury of the extent to which were are expected explains a PacLoss (please - especially PacEntourage - produce video evidence if you disagree). Accordingly, all that we have to support such a claim is PacRoachArum and PacQueens assertions that allege that a rotator cuff injury was itself responsible for Pacquaio’s low right hand output (and the PacLoss); which not only appears to directly conflict with fight video revealing how Pacquaio actually adducted, abducted, rotated, and in general used his right arm/shoulder/hand in the fight without any hesitation and also in numerous ways - but it also asks us to trust various MayPacPacLossExcuse identities that have (without doubt) already proven that they are way less than forthright with the; public, bookmakers, law, commissions, and also Floyd. 15) Indonesia had a public holiday to celebrate Floyd outsmarting and beating Pacquaio. 16) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight; yet despite claiming to know of the injury weeks and possibly months before the fight, they - in direct conflict with most other fighters that are genuinely sitting on a fight-losing injury - still released wildly confident and absurd predictions of a KO win; strangely right up to the days preceding the fight. Almost as if they knew the shoulder injury was more of a get out of jail free card in the event they didn’t win; rather than the genuine fight-stopping and truly steroid-injection-requiring grievance that we were all - (but only) post MayPac - told. 17) PacRoachArum (when not asserting Pacquaio won) claim that Pacquaio’s injury was the reason that he lost the fight and didn’t perform well; yet according to PacRoach and PacQueens, it is Floyd’s fault the fight was not all it was promised/meant to be. 18) As touched on above; Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit (publicly on video and whilst Pacquaio is present and without objection) that Pacquaio has been using PEDs, particularly when Ariza was in his camp. •
However, despite this remarkable consideration and/or fact, it appears that no such information was provided to the courts and in affidavits (when it mattered) by Team Pacquaio during those times when Pacquaio both mounted and ran his legal case against Floyd; seemingly to address what was "then" called Floyd's damaging and untruthful assertions that Pacquaio was on PEDs (which are Floyd assertions that both Arum and Roach have now all but completely confirmed they knew were true even when Pacquaio ran his aforementioned {fraudulent and perjurious [similar to NSAC injury/forms???]} case against Floyd). • My understanding of the law and lawyer's obligations is that . . . . if not Pacquaio (which is a monstrous benefit of the doubt; as he would be obliged to provide such information), then surely if Arum (a lawyer) was a part of the said writ; then Arum is obliged (as, whatever the American equivalent terms are to the Australian terms of; an officer of the courts and servant to justice) to present such considerations to the court. 19) Almost all Pacquaio’s recent/big wins (by KO or not) have involved Ariza (and therefore the strong possibility of PEDs; as Pac's promoter and trainer effectively admit he has been using PEDs) and/or a catch-weight and/or has involved fighting guys that Floyd had already beaten. Whilst PacQueens have largely ignored this and considered it not relevant, it - along with confirming how Ariza actually "assisted" Pacquaio previously - appears to be the primary reason Floyd took Ariza away; so Pac could not use him 20) No Floyd or Pacquaio common opponents predicted a Pacquaio win when interviewed on the “Legends Sspeak” video. 21) For the first time in a long time when both operating at/around welterweight and with a top level fighter; with his losing fight against Floyd, Pacquaio was USADA confirmed to not be using PEDs and/or a catch - weight advantage. In the MayPac fight Pacquaio clearly - that is, in the eyes of the judges, the majority of people, and also the majority of active and inactive fighters - not only lost, but he also displayed none of the efficiency, energy, and power that he exhibited in many of his signature wins. 22) As touched on above; Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs; this was before the above-mentioned circumstance where Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst successfully fighting and winning via catch weight contracts. • Considering the above/below; there is good reason to believe that when Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs, at that same time Pacquaio was taking PEDs but he also knew that Floyd could not prove it. • At the same when Pacquaio previously sued Floyd for alleging he was using PEDs, Ariza was working at Roaches' gym predominantly with Manny. 23) After Pacquaio sat near both Arum and Roach at that above-mentioned time when they all but completely confirmed that Pacquaio had been taking PEDs whilst at the same time fighting and winning via catch weight contracts; Pacquaio opted not to sue Arum and/or Roach for effectively confirming (Floyd’s suspicions and alleging) Pacquaio was using PEDs via drinks Ariza not only gave him -
but would not explain when asked; which (the
bolded part) itself, is remarkably similar to a circumstance that is not at all unlike some PacQueens when asked about the considerations herein. 24) During the MayPac fight there was no evidence of the old and almost fatigueless Pacquaio that we have all previously seen before; such as when Ariza was in Pacquaio's camp and catch weights were the order of the day. 25) Roach and Pacquaio - via the above-mentioned circumstances and also that fraudulent behavior they have either admitted to or now been caught at - effectively ripped off the majority of bookmakers and Casinos around the world by concealing Pacquaio’s alleged injury and then failing to comply with obligations pertaining to not only announcing and treating injuries appropriately - but also seeking consideration from the NSAC. To add to it all, when the aforementioned tactics didn’t work, they then set about making PacLoss&OtherExcuses and attacking the integrity and professionalism of the NSAC - whom - based on the available evidence - appear to have acted completely professionally and appropriately. 26) Had PacRoach treated the “injury” appropriately, unambiguously, and professionally, and had they announced it when it was first known, the “injury” then would have been virtually impossible to be used not only as a means to mask any PED agent - but also as a PacLossExcuse. This is why the NSAC form in question and also its related protocols are designed the way they are; to prevent not just accidental and/or purposeful advantages in dangerous combat sports being obtained - but also to prevent cheating. 27) Arum’s claims about USADA seemingly approving the “injection” PacJuice was planning to have on the 11th hour and just prior to the MayPac fight - via the fraudulent NSAC paperwork - claims that were themselves released in a manner and with strong overtones that infer/suggest that there was no reason for NSAC to not “fall in line” on the “PacRoachInjectionPapworkFraud”; (even aside from the overlooked and most likely missing accurate paperwork trail between both USADA and the NSAC that PacRoacArum have conveniently failed to substantiate) fall so dismally short of explaining the whole story that it is as if they too live in PacQueenDonkeyWonderland. It is nothing short of truly shameful and (to me) highly reminiscent of when Top Rank continued to - at times to Cotto's personal and other detriment - support Margarito after plaster was discovered in his wraps. 28) Furthermore, Arum (a lawyer and someone that is almost always constantly involved in some form of litigation) claims in relation to having contacted the NSAC prior to the night of the MayPac fight when the above-mentioned means were used to obtain a PacInjection for Pacquaio; are, unfortunately, associated not only with no phone records - but also without any proof that such communication-content ever existed and/or took place. 29) Therefore, following on from point 28; Arum’s claims that the NSAC were notified earlier than that time when PacJuice - via blatantly fraudulent paperwork - wanted to obtain NSAC approval for an injection (injections?) only hours before the fight; not only remain unsubstantiated - but they also remain in direct conflict with the NSAC themselves. Arum's inferences and claims in relation to any/all USADA and NSAC communication related to the matter are, in my opinion, not only equally questionable - but also just as outstanding. 30) Capacity to DonkeyMagicMislead public; when Arum first released the above-mentioned NSAC communication claim, at that time, he also seemed to fail to hint at and/or appropriately announce the fraudulent paperwork (that had, then, already been forwarded and/or discovered to/by the NSAC) could have been and/or had been used to obtain; 30a) A PacInjection pertaining to a (previously and questionably concealed) shoulder injury that the signed NSAC PacPaperwork fraudulently claimed didn’t exist. 30b) A PacInjection (PED related or otherwise) that was outside of the intended purposes that the NSAC could have been reasonably expected to approve based on the dodgy paperwork (that, in its fraudulently forwarded form, left it unbelievably wide open to, later and after the fact, not only argue that other substances may have been PacJuiceInjury necessary - but to also shift blame; as we see has happened with Arum and PacLossExcuse). 30c) A PacLossExcuse. 31) To put it mildly; Roach and Pacquaio (and PacQueens) talked an extremely good game before the fight; but delivered very little in it. 32) Floyd, by comparison, and aside from remaining confident of a win, hardly talked big before the fight; but still delivered the win via a strategy that PacRoach not only claimed to be boring - but also claimed to be very well prepared for and familiar with - despite having absolutely no answer for it when it mattered. 33) This above-mentioned lack of pre-MayPac disquiet on Floyd’s part was assumed and claimed by many a PacQueen and also PacRoach to be evidence of Floyd’s fear; they were wrong. 34) Pacquaio did not manage to break either of Floyd’s typically used defences; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 35) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s straight right hand that Floyd typically and almost always successfully uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 36) Pacquaio did not manage to deal with Floyd’s left hook that he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 37) Pacquaio did not manage to capitalize on Floyd’s allegedly shot legs that, we were told, he typically uses; contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout. 38) Contrary to both Pacquaio and Roaches’ wild and exaggerated claims prior to the bout; Pacquaio not only didn’t manage to KO Floyd - but he was unable to effectively apply any pressure - even though Floyd slowed the fight down to a pace that suited him and - according to the PacBrigade - fought a fight that involved little attacking on Floyd’s part; therefore offering more (wasted?) opportunities for Pacquaio to do all that he and Roach loudly predicted. 39) No-one (including PacQueens) yet appears to (want to know about, let alone) have explained why the specialists that were allegedly familiar with Pacquaio’s “steroid requiring 2 hours before the fight and with fraudulent paperwork injury” (when they were consulted by the NSAC) not only came to same conclusion as the NSAC did - but also expressed to the NSAC that the PacInjury didn’t warrant a PacInjection. 40) No-one appears to have yet meaningfully and/or publicly considered the NSAC’s role and responsibility in this matter. Particularly given that Pacquaio has a reasonably well defined PED history (Arum and Roach have effectively admitted it) and that he has also - selectively - chosen who he litigates with in relation to those that have claimed Pacquaio uses performance enhancing drugs; preferring to legally attack the person that very well may have been speaking the truth about Pacquaio at such times as when he knew that person was correct but could not prove it. 41) Not to mention that the subject of the aforementioned (point 40 and others) “PacPerformance enhancing drugs allegation litigation” (that Pacquaio himself {and probably Arum} initiated) just happened to be against the very same person that Pacquaio was fighting, on the same night that Pacquaio himself also used fraudulent NSAC paperwork in an attempt to obtain an 11th hour advantage (whether justified or not) - that could have also been an advantage that served to excuse and/or mask performance enhancing drugs; whilst at the same time (the NSAC must also consider all this, and also that) Pacquaio has opted to not litigate against Arum and Roach - whom have all but completely confirmed that the Floyd-PED-allegation (that Pacquaio initially sued Floyd over) was in fact - contrary to Pacquaio’s own writ’s claims - true. • Given all these (often overlooked considerations and/or facts) it is remarkable that some - usually those that can't meaningfully answer these questions - still chose to place their head in the sand, preferring to resort to claiming that the NSAC was incompetent and that the shoulder injury PacLossExcuse saves the day and face. • And, perhaps that's because an examination of all the facts leaves you with only one clear and logical conclusion; what else could the NSAC do given both the PacPEDHistory, PacInjuryConcealment, and also the PacNSACformFraud related to the matter and also all those closely related to it? • No PacQueen has yet stepped forward with a meaningful and complete answer to this question; instead preferring to drag up Floyd's past and resort to the same pre-MayPac unsubstantiated claim throwing tactics. I think we know why. 42) Why would Pacquaio sue Floyd for Floyd’s (seemingly) false PacPED claims that assert Pacquaio was using performance enhancing drugs to achieve his boxing success, but then not sue and/or treat both Roach and Arum the same? This consideration is particularly poignant when one realizes that both Roach and Arum, whom - insofar as Pacquaio’s writ against Floyd goes and also the definitions within it pertaining to damages are concerned - clearly have caused Pacquaio, at least, the same amount of reputational damage by way of their public admissions pertaining to PacJuices' PED use? • Could it be that Pacquaio knows that, should he take the ArumRoach performance enhancing drug confirmation and “damages” matter to court against both Arum and/or Roach, he would almost certainly lose against them (as they know the truth; a truth that appears to have been withheld from the Pacquaio V Mayweather court case in a similar fashion to how the PacInjury was withheld and then used to suit), and then - in that situation - open the door for Floyd to reverse the previous court decision, and prove what has really happened? • Or could it be that - despite the (now questionable) Pacquaio V Mayweather court case that Pacquaio initiated (and all the Pacquaio claims within it) that was ultimately awarded to Pacquaio - there really are no genuine "damages" in relation to this matter; because Floyd’s allegations about Pacquaio using PEDs were not only spot on the MoneyMay - but have now also been confirmed by Ariza? • Take a deep breath before answering that one ladies, gentlemen, realists, and PacQueens; then ask honestly yourself, with that much at stake, would you have - if you were Floyd and 38 - just gone out there and fought the (claimed) best southpaw and fighter of the century in a reckless and haphazard manner? 43) Before the fight both PacRoach and PacQueens vehemently claimed that Floyd’s legs were shot - then after the fight (in true PacLossExcuseQueen form) the same people then claimed that Floyd ran too much. A good question may be how did Floyd do this (run) with shot legs? 44) Before the MayPac fight PacQueens began to construct a theory that seemed to almost perfectly allow for a positive performance enhancing drug test- result - one that Pacquaio was yet to throw. Whilst boxing is no stranger to and, to some extent relies upon (particularly promotion wise), shaded faith and also those whom are relatively easily marketed to and susceptible to the image of a fighter knocking another down; this kind of wild conspiracy theorizing took it (and the associated humor) to another level entirely with wild claims that were vehemently forwarded and DonkeyDefended; pertaining to how Al Haymon could possibly be setting up a false positive test-result for PacJuice - whom actually, at that very same time, was interestingly (as history now shows us) most likely busy PacRoach working out how to best conceal and play the shoulder injury for all its worth whilst continuing with the campaign of FloydHate and “FalseFloydKO” predictions. • So given all that, a good question may be, how did - prior to the fight - some PacQueens know that PacJuice may actually need a PacJuiceLossExcuse after the fight? • Was it a PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition? • Taking in all the above-mentioned considerations and also the plethora of unanswered questions surrounding why/how Pacquaio, not only went about clandestinely managing and/or selectively announcing his “injury” - but also those related to how PacRoach attempted to fraudulently utilize the injury in the most ambiguous and dishonest manner so that it yielded the widest possible range of both, “NSAC approved treatments and/or injections” and excuses; it sure sounds like "PacJuiceLossExcusePremonition". 45) Before the fight PacRoach and some PacQueens claimed Floyd’s sparring with Zab (and others) would not assist him. However, during the fight not only was Floyd mostly undeterred by Pacquaio’s speed (and so called brilliant footwork) - but Floyd also controlled distance, timed, and easily wrong footed Pacquaio beautifully; all throughout the entire 12 rounds. • On almost every occasion that Floyd repetitively used these tactics on Pacquaio; not only did Pacquaio largely fail to adjust whilst Roach failed to offer any counteracting advice - but Pacquaio also kept doing the same things over and over, which only further substantiates that both Pacquaio and Roach - contrary to all their pre-fight hype and claims - really had no alternative plans and/or means to adapt. • Furthermore, and notwithstanding all the above-mentioned considerations including those pertaining to PEDs and catch-weights; Pacquaio displayed no speed that was better than Zab Judah has previously shown. Same for Pacquaio’s much hailed footwork; it simply didn’t matter as he could not catch and cut the ring off in relation to a “cursed 38 year fighter whom (we were consistently told) had shot legs”. Please offer video proof of the fight if you disagree with this claim. • Oh, before I forget, let's deal with the low right hook output of Pacquaio. • Pacquaio - when opponents are not trapped on the ropes and/or cowering - usually only uses that punch as a check or lead hook, and as such he is reliant upon both being faster than his opponent and/or timing them; as well as being reliant upon his opponent predictably and frequently using their (orthodox) left hand. Naseem Hamed had a similar reliance and one of the ways Barrera beat him (aside from Hamed not training properly) was by not feeding Hamed the left jab to work off of. • Now, as I stated before the MayPac fight, and as also happened within it; Pacquaio was nowhere near the degree faster than Floyd that many PacQueens said he would be. • Additionally, Floyd always deployed the correct defensive strategy for the range he held Pacquaio at; so even before Floyd started checking Pacquaio's chin with clean, flush landing, and leading left hooks, Manny sensed he couldn't use his right hook as he normally does. • Then you have the fact that Floyd cleverly used the pawing extended left hand to parry and touch Pacquaio's right glove and to also blur any read Pacquaio could get on Floyd's left hand; to the point where Manny only felt comfortable countering those Floyd lefts (he could see) with a Pacquaio straight left - so his own Pacquaio right hand was there to defend and protect against Floyd's faster and strong left hook that Pacquaio was concerned about; Marquez haunted Pacquaio in this sense and once he realized that Floyd could control, touch, and stun him. • Add to it all, as Pacquaio rushed in, Floyd almost always cleverly turned and turned Pacquaio, ultimately making Pacquaio miss and reset; so Pacquaio could never get the right hook in under those circumstances. •
This is the perfect way to fight a fast southpaw, and if it is not then I would welcome any rationale explanation on why it's not and what is a better strategy for fighting what we were told was the century's best southpaw and Floyd's certain first not just loss - but KO loss. 46) Given that Pacquaio was the dignified and exalted boxer of the decade whom had miraculously moved up all the weight divisions whilst retaining his KO “power”, and that he was also destined to KO Floyd; whom we were relentlessly (over the period of years) told was; scared, didn’t want to make the fight, had shot legs, had the curse of 38, had no answer to Pacquaio’s footwork and hand-speed, chopped bad wood, swam scared, sparred the wrong fighters, came from a family that all were KO’d in their biggest challenges, and participated in (unsubstantiated) blood doping via vampire facials . . . . it is truly amazing that the below and above-mentioned (often overlooked) points, considerations, and questions still - to this PacJuiceLossExcuse day - loom at large over the PacJuiceLossExcuseLandscape . . . . . . . . . . .almost like
StormClouds that no meteorological bureau, DonkeyMagic, or even PacQueenLossExcuseEstablishment seems to be both
willing and
able to
explain. 47) Pac lost. 48) And (unless anyone can both accurately and meaningfully tackle the above questions and considerations {which are by no means the complete set} whilst not running from the mere possibility of explaining), that is pretty much the end of the matter. 49)
Outcome and PacLoss termed in the best possible way for Pacquaio; PacRoach not only mismanaged an injury of a (deliberately) unspecified origin/nature in a manner that they knew was inappropriate and wrong whilst they themselves also attempted to manipulate both process and the NSAC - all in order, or so it seems, to obtain the green light for ambiguous and potentially unspecified/unlimited “injection and/or other injury treatments” - but in doing so, they also (without displaying any obvious concern) defrauded many people, many bookmakers, many betters, and some organizations all around the world; whilst they were on their way to losing to someone that is - regardless of whether you appreciate his personality and fighting style or not - both a better boxer than Pacquaio and also one of the finest technical and “stylistically defensive” fighters of the last few decades, if not the century. 50) Floyd resorted to none of the above-mentioned PacRoachArum pre/post fight tactics and claims, and this fact appears to be largely lost on the PacQueenLossExcuseMovement. 51) Floyd, won, is the victor, and is the superior boxer, and unless the above and below concerns and questions can even begin to be meaningfully addressed, it seems that - save for PacQueen noise and DonkeyLogic - it will stay that way . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please, if you think I have it wrong, I am OK with that.
In that case, please state what sentence/point it is that you think I have it wrong and offer tangible proof and not just PacLossExcuse fan boy public toilet wall CherryPacJuice paint. Also, please, before you put finger to keyboard though and begin to explain how this post is wrong; please also ask yourself why all these questions are both PacQueen and PacRoachArum outstanding and currently ran from; whilst - after the fact - Floyd’s criminal and other past (that he has more than paid the price for) is being dragged up? Why is that the case? There's usually a reason why so many questions are both unpopular and unanswered - particularly when they pertain to matters of interest, accountability, and embarrassment. Personally the easy questions that I’d like to have answered in relation to this matter, and those that have so far been PacQueen run from, are as follows . . . 1) Why Pac didn't (as he did Floyd) sue Arum and Roach for effectively admitting Pac was on the juice? 2) Why didn't Pacquaio's initial affidavit/writ (in relation to his action against Floyd) contain any information related to what Arum and Roach have effectively admitted; pertaining to confirming that Pac was on the juice? 3) Why - only the day before and/or hours before the fight - the PacEntourage (including Roach) was still telling all that Pac was going to KO Floyd; if Pac's shoulder was so injured that it served as a reason/excuse for both; 3a) Injection(s) associated with all the above considerations. 3b) Pacquaio losing the fight. 4) Why did Pacquaio and team (which includes Kontz, Roach, Arum, and all Top Rank’s legal and other services and experience with how to deal with these “matters”) fraudulently populate the NSAC form, and then when discovered fail to announce that fact; instead resorting to unsubstantiated claims, misdirection, and blaming others (PacQueen style); in what was billed as the biggest fight of the century? 5) What are the relationships between; a) No catch-weight advantage for Pacquaio. b) Stringent PED testing prior to the MayPac fight. c) The manner in which PacRoach concealed the PacSteroidRequiringInjury; before PacFraud NSAC form completion. d) What the official/original medical diagnosis and date is; of the PacSteroidRequiringInjury. e) What the official medical diagnosis and/or opinion was that the NSAC formed in conjunction with Pacquaio’s specialists; when they opted not to allow Pacquaio to have a PacExcuse to inject based on the fraudulent NSAC form. f) The manner in which Pacquaio performed PacFraud NSAC form completion. g) What PacRoach would have done had the NSAC not spotted the NSAC form PacFraud. h) How much PacRoach led with their mouths before the fight. i) Pacquaio’s lack of the usual inexhaustible energy. And, Manny Pacquaio’s loss. 6) Why hasn't Pacquaio - now that Arum and Roach have confirmed important facts related to Pacquaio's successful defamation and/or damages action against Floyd - returned to the court (whether it is as a man of God, or not) and amended his earlier affidavits and related claims? I’m not holding my breath on conclusive, tangible, accurate, and detailed answers. What I am expecting to see, is a lot of Donkey Dust as he wildly gallops and Hee-Haws off into the distance completely unaware of all that was said, squirted, and posted, prior to MayPac. Anyway, sorry about the long post PacQueens (and I know that does not apply to most of you) but I did some short posts the other day not only in an effort to see if it changes things - but to also get a rationale debate and possibly answers; but that still, sadly, only resulted in DonkeyMagicGlitterDust and an exacerbation of my bi-polar condition (for which I am self medicating with home cooked Meth; so it's all under control) - so clearly the issue is not (as some claim) with post length . . . . which strangely enough is a metric seems to have a direct relationship to Donkey denial, magic, and logic. Perhaps it’s not post length at all. Perhaps the absence of real answers is the naughty probing questions, content, and also their naughty owner;
StormCentre. Love use all.
“The Truth Is Not Only Always The Easiest To Remember - But It Also Means You Have To Run Away From Questions Less”.
PS: including the above post, currently I have not written about the PacLoss & FloydEasyWin fight of the century more than 1/10th of that which we PacQueen received prior to the MayPac fight. Just keeping it real folks !!!!! :) :) :)


-Radam G :

I finally watched the whole hundred dollar fight for free. It wasn't as bad as everyone says. Not a snoozer. Some good action here and there. However, Floyd did no more than he had to do, staying outside, and fighting defensively as much as he could. Manny let Floyd control distances the whole night. Manny needed to be out of range, or in range. Instead, he stayed right where Floyd could tap him for easy points. Guys this close to 40 shouldn't be boxing. Any sucker who paid the whole 99.99 just helped them write their abundant retirement checks. Boxing used to be close and available to working people, as both fans and athletes. Now it's so far away. If these geezers May and Mannyweather have a rematch, I'll be on vacation. Floryd has great skills as a defensive boxer and offensive earner, but he's no Ali or Sugar Ray 1 or 2. Manny should have retired at 33 like Smoking Joe Frazier. Small guys don't last fighting above their natural weight. Sorry I have been a stranger here to The Sweet Science. No excuse. No apology is enough. I don't observe the game often enough to talk intelligently about it. But I'll always love and root for it.
Whaddup, Bobby C? Nice dropping in. It is always good to hear from the Golden Oldies. The geezers are dancing again in 2016. And you know that you will continue to be a stanger. I wish the troll from down binder would get a life or become endanger and gone. Forget a stranger. Holla!


-The Shadow :

Hard to argue with what you said there, Storm. You pretty much covered all bases. And you bring up some legitimate questions. (It's also very clear that the thought process behind the concoction was indeed designed by someone both smart and legally savvy.) One thing I'm curious about however is the PED masking agent hypothesis. Do you think that Toradol - the requested drug, not xylocaine (which he had been taking, ironically) - would've given him an added advantage beyond xylocaine? Also, if it were indeed intended as a masking agent, wouldn't the masked substance then show up regardless? Or do you think that it would've been taken in conjunction with another substance (had it been approved) that would give an instant boost, much like Floyd Landis did with his overnight superhuman transformation in the 2006 Tour De France? Just trying to understand. And before the topic has to go ad hominem, I think it's a more than fair discussion, considering how quick allegations (many of them more than reasonable) have been sent in the directions of other fighters and how Roach is currently in litigation for basically implicating said fighter.


-stormcentre :

Whaddup, Bobby C? Nice dropping in. It is always good to hear from the Golden Oldies. The geezers are dancing again in 2016. And you know that you will continue to be a stanger. I wish the troll from down binder would get a life or become endanger and gone. Forget a stranger. Holla!
Yo whaddup Madam !!! Don't worry MMMMG, one day you will be able to freely explain what you say, write in a coherent manner, engage in rationale discussion, and (with therapy, probably) even answer questions related to your own galloping wild claims. However, (just as with Pacquaio's chances of ever beating Floyd without some kind of advantage, and also as the lack of any meaningful response to any of my above points {many of which originate from your own claims} within post #12 {or those posts that are shorter and easier for you to read} shows) just not today and/or in this DonkeyWonderlandDecade. Keep knawing on that grass. Hee-Haw.. :) :) :) :)


-stormcentre :

Hard to argue with what you said there, Storm. You pretty much covered all bases. And you bring up some legitimate questions. (It's also very clear that the thought process behind the concoction was indeed designed by someone both smart and legally savvy.) One thing I'm curious about however is the PED masking agent hypothesis. Do you think that Toradol - the requested drug, not xylocaine (which he had been taking, ironically) - would've given him an added advantage beyond xylocaine? Also, if it were indeed intended as a masking agent, wouldn't the masked substance then show up regardless? Or do you think that it would've been taken in conjunction with another substance (had it been approved) that would give an instant boost, much like Floyd Landis did with his overnight superhuman transformation in the 2006 Tour De France? Just trying to understand. And before the topic has to go ad hominem, I think it's a more than fair discussion, considering how quick allegations (many of them more than reasonable) have been sent in the directions of other fighters and how Roach is currently in litigation for basically implicating said fighter.
Thanks Shadow. Yes, when all the facts, considerations, and relationships are laid out to bare the matter can not only take on a different light - but also reveal why the facts and discussing/explaining were unpopular in the first place. I am going to have to think about how I answer the masking agent question, as I don't want to give away too much. One thing I will say is that the way the "injury" was sat on, concealed, and also how we are still without reliable information on its origin and nature; combined with how the form was PacFraudulently populated and signed - had the NSAC not done their job properly - it would have left it open to not just all manner of possible explanations and PacExcuses, but possibly also to a wide berth of "PacInjury Injections and Treatments". The entire design of and/or the matter itself, had all the hallmarks of a desperate last "cleverly pseudo-legitimized" minute grab - only hours before the fight - for what had been denied (via testing) to Pacquaio during the entire lead up to the fight; replete with in-built DonkeyScapegoats. As we can see from the lack of meaningful responses to all the facts; the NSAC commission did their job and PacRoachFraud didn't - hence the lawsuits and unanswered questions.


-ThatGuy :

Curiously, Mayweather has no tats either
I remember reading or listening to an interview or transcript. Floyd is a massive germaphobe that he showers before and after workouts, he showers several times after sparring or fighting. His maid cleans the entire house everyday. He doesn't have any tattoos because he likes to feel clean and classy I don't know.. Maybe he's afraid of the inky pen drawing blood or something


-brownsugar :

Thanks Shadow. Yes, when all the facts, considerations, and relationships are laid out to bare the matter can not only take on a different light - but also reveal why the facts and discussing/explaining were unpopular in the first place. I am going to have to think about how I answer the masking agent question, as I don't want to give away too much. One thing I will say is that the way the "injury" was sat on, concealed, and also how we are still without reliable information on its origin and nature; combined with how the form was PacFraudulently populated and signed - had the NSAC not done their job properly - it would have left it open to not just all manner of possible explanations and PacExcuses, but possibly also to a wide berth of "PacInjury Injections and Treatments". The entire design of and/or the matter itself, had all the hallmarks of a desperate last "cleverly pseudo-legitimized" minute grab - only hours before the fight - for what had been denied (via testing) to Pacquaio during the entire lead up to the fight; replete with in-built DonkeyScapegoats. As we can see from the lack of meaningful responses to all the facts; the NSAC commission did their job and PacRoachFraud didn't - hence the lawsuits and unanswered questions.
Finally had time to read your entire post. It reminds me of a term coined by Socrates, " Deus ex Machina " or translated means " God in the Machine ". The term Deus ex Machina (pronounced day us mackeena) which you are probably familiar with, refers to an object, thing, ability, event, or construct which provides an instantaneous although contrived resolution to difficult situation, story, or circumstance. In recent times the term "Deus ex Machina" has become synonymous in the writers community with the term " plot device ", like the ones that novelists, and writers for soap operas and continuing television series like " The Walking Dead " use to advance the plot of the story once the writers have exhausted all storylines and have essentially painted themselves into a corner. The golden chalice of " Deus ex Machina " (emergency plot lines) used to dig a soap opera out of a rut and instantly change the direction of a stagnating serial drama is to have the antagonist or protagonist develop an instant case of "Amnesia"..... Suddenly the " bad girl " whose been cheating with everyone's husband and has basically schemed and connived her way to an exalted position of power within the context of the show can be given a blank slate, the character can be rewritten and type cast into a heroine possessing virtue and moral turpitude who can now right the wrongs perpetrated by her previously morally deprived self. The other cast members of the soap opera start lining up in moral support of the freshly minted saint by expository conversations with the other actors which always begin with...." But she's GOOD now ". Nevermind that I have never met a person who has lost their memory without also suffering a life altering traumatizing event such as a car accident or a having stroke, ....events that are also associated with all manner of physically debilitating consequences... But in a soap opera these folks lose their memory and don't even lose there jobs, get evicted for non payment of rent, and sometimes remain in toxic relationships with people they are no longer familiar with. In any given daytime drama there may be up to a dozen amnesia victims per year, Deus ex Machina at its finest. The cult board game WarHammer 40,000, which has spawned literally thousands of sci-fi pulp novels to support the mythos of its sprawling universe which was created in 1987 and has expanded into a worldwide conglomerate of content which supplies adolescent sci-fi geeks and teckies and lovers of the SciFi fantasy genre with an endless supply of stories to satiate their ravenous appetites. A caution to young nerds who read these books, never read these books if you ever want to have a girl friend. And if you do read them, buy them in secret when nobody else is in line at the bookstore, read them in secret, and always keep these books hidden. Finally never share one of these books with anyone who isn't as much of a nerd as you are. It's the same practice I follow being a fan of Wlad Klitschko, whose fights I generally have to watch in the closet, with the sound off. Overall these books are for adolescent boys 12-25. There are dozens of writers pumping out this sci-fi pulp at an alarming rate but only a handful of the vast stable of writers producing content for this universe are worthwhile reading. The Warhammer universe is perhaps the king of Deus ex Machina. However the Deus ex Machina (plot devices) for these books are pure genius even though the books don't usually live up to the premise. The WarHammer universe incorporates hundreds of unique plot lines to Flesh out its Mythos. According to Warhammer, the Emperium of Man has grown to 40,000 worlds,..... its much like an expanded version of the British and Roman Empires before their downfall. The Empirium of Man struggles daily to maintain control of its thousands of colonies along with the hostile factions challenging its dominion over planets which the Empirium uses for recruiting its soldiers and using their natural resources to resupply its wars. Stretched to the brink The Emperium must battle insectoid invaders (a' la Star Ship Troopers) who travel in living space ships and can strip a whole planet of its entire bio mass in less than a day while leaving behind a dead lifeless planet sized ball of dust. If this wasn't enough the Empirium of man must battle forces of chaos who subverted legions of genetically augmented space marines into becoming one with the warp which is ruled by the blood gods. So horrific was their treason. Horus, the initiator of the heresy even managed the leave the God King of Mankind in a coma after their epic battle. The God king now lies in a stasis field where he is preserved in a state between life and death in a vessell known as the golden sepulcher, where he is fed the life force of 1000 psychics a day who willing sacrifice their life essence in service to the God King so that the holy librarians and astrologers who pilot their massive spaceships can navigate through the warp (faster than light travel) by utilizing the God Kings psychic beacon known as the astronimicon while they pursue their endless enemies as they take up arms to continue their holy war. All Technology has ceased. All the tech used by the Empirium of Man is what ever existed before the Dark Age of technology was ended by the God King. Except for artifacts known as standard construction template that survived the eradication of the Dark age of Technology. The Japanese are even more prolific with more than 6000 serial stories written in ancient times that easily dwarfs the vast Universe created by the Warhammer creators. Each one using unique plot devices to keep its serial stories unique. What does this have to do with the Fight Game? After reading your exhaustive post. It became clear to me that Deus ex Machina has come to the fight game faster than a soap opera character can suffer a case of donkey amnesia by suffering a light bump on the head while every other aspect of their health and finances and place of residence is left completely intact. The plot devices and excuses used by Manny and a few disappointed fans is somewhat disturbing and disappointing. "I think I won the fight",..... etc. I have even seen altered video of the fight which deletes some of the frames of the fight and deftly splices the video to where Floyd only lands 68 punches in the entire fight. Desperate measures, new plot devices and faux expert testimony seems to be popping up daily Good post.


-Radam G :

It is really getting deep when one can keep saying and making up all type of syet and is cheered by his users. Wow! How man can sink and stink. It doesn't change the actuality of the reality. Or the contest. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Finally had time to read your entire post. It reminds me of a term coined by Socrates, " Deus ex Machina " or translated means " God in the Machine ". The term Deus ex Machina (pronounced day us mackeena) which you are probably familiar with, refers to an object, thing, ability, event, or construct which provides an instantaneous although contrived resolution to difficult situation, story, or circumstance. In recent times the term "Deus ex Machina" has become synonymous in the writers community with the term " plot device ", like the ones that novelists, and writers for soap operas and continuing television series like " The Walking Dead " use to advance the plot of the story once the writers have exhausted all storylines and have essentially painted themselves into a corner. The golden chalice of " Deus ex Machina " (emergency plot lines) used to dig a soap opera out of a rut and instantly change the direction of a stagnating serial drama is to have the antagonist or protagonist develop an instant case of "Amnesia"..... Suddenly the " bad girl " whose been cheating with everyone's husband and has basically schemed and connived her way to an exalted position of power within the context of the show can be given a blank slate, the character can be rewritten and type cast into a heroine possessing virtue and moral turpitude who can now right the wrongs perpetrated by her previously morally deprived self. The other cast members of the soap opera start lining up in moral support of the freshly minted saint by expository conversations with the other actors which always begin with...." But she's GOOD now ". Nevermind that I have never met a person who has lost their memory without also suffering a life altering traumatizing event such as a car accident or a having stroke, ....events that are also associated with all manner of physically debilitating consequences... But in a soap opera these folks lose their memory and don't even lose there jobs, get evicted for non payment of rent, and sometimes remain in toxic relationships with people they are no longer familiar with. In any given daytime drama there may be up to a dozen amnesia victims per year, Deus ex Machina at its finest. The cult board game WarHammer 40,000, which has spawned literally thousands of sci-fi pulp novels to support the mythos of its sprawling universe which was created in 1987 and has expanded into a worldwide conglomerate of content which supplies adolescent sci-fi geeks and teckies and lovers of the SciFi fantasy genre with an endless supply of stories to satiate their ravenous appetites. A caution to young nerds who read these books, never read these books if you ever want to have a girl friend. And if you do read them, buy them in secret when nobody else is in line at the bookstore, read them in secret, and always keep these books hidden. Finally never share one of these books with anyone who isn't as much of a nerd as you are. It's the same practice I follow being a fan of Wlad Klitschko, whose fights I generally have to watch in the closet, with the sound off. Overall these books are for adolescent boys 12-25. There are dozens of writers pumping out this sci-fi pulp at an alarming rate but only a handful of the vast stable of writers producing content for this universe are worthwhile reading. The Warhammer universe is perhaps the king of Deus ex Machina. However the Deus ex Machina (plot devices) for these books are pure genius even though the books don't usually live up to the premise. The WarHammer universe incorporates hundreds of unique plot lines to Flesh out its Mythos. According to Warhammer, the Emperium of Man has grown to 40,000 worlds,..... its much like an expanded version of the British and Roman Empires before their downfall. The Empirium of Man struggles daily to maintain control of its thousands of colonies along with the hostile factions challenging its dominion over planets which the Empirium uses for recruiting its soldiers and using their natural resources to resupply its wars. Stretched to the brink The Emperium must battle insectoid invaders (a' la Star Ship Troopers) who travel in living space ships and can strip a whole planet of its entire bio mass in less than a day while leaving behind a dead lifeless planet sized ball of dust. If this wasn't enough the Empirium of man must battle forces of chaos who subverted legions of genetically augmented space marines into becoming one with the warp which is ruled by the blood gods. So horrific was their treason. Horus, the initiator of the heresy even managed the leave the God King of Mankind in a coma after their epic battle. The God king now lies in a stasis field where he is preserved in a state between life and death in a vessell known as the golden sepulcher, where he is fed the life force of 1000 psychics a day who willing sacrifice their life essence in service to the God King so that the holy librarians and astrologers who pilot their massive spaceships can navigate through the warp (faster than light travel) by utilizing the God Kings psychic beacon known as the astronimicon while they pursue their endless enemies as they take up arms to continue their holy war. All Technology has ceased. All the tech used by the Empirium of Man is what ever existed before the Dark Age of technology was ended by the God King. Except for artifacts known as standard construction template that survived the eradication of the Dark age of Technology. The Japanese are even more prolific with more than 6000 serial stories written in ancient times that easily dwarfs the vast Universe created by the Warhammer creators. Each one using unique plot devices to keep its serial stories unique. What does this have to do with the Fight Game? After reading your exhaustive post. It became clear to me that Deus ex Machina has come to the fight game faster than a soap opera character can suffer a case of donkey amnesia by suffering a light bump on the head while every other aspect of their health and finances and place of residence is left completely intact. The plot devices and excuses used by Manny and a few disappointed fans is somewhat disturbing and disappointing. "I think I won the fight",..... etc. I have even seen altered video of the fight which deletes some of the frames of the fight and deftly splices the video to where Floyd only lands 68 punches in the entire fight. Desperate measures, new plot devices and faux expert testimony seems to be popping up daily Good post.
I had missed your post earlier. Yep, know whatcha mean, and (obviously) agree. The (popular) script is pretty much flipped when all the (unpopular) facts are laid bare; which explains why they're initially ignored and then further shunned if placed on the table and/or somewhere where they can't easily be ignored. :) I don't usually get into the longer DBN's breakdowns but this one was sent to me the other day. There's not much in there that seems out of place to me; see what you think.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNzfmE01oHg There is some interesting commentary in there (above video) about how Rios and Algieri, when they fought Pac and noticeably "ran" (not just without any of the criticism that Floyd has received for "running" {probably because Pac didn't lose and/or get stringently tested in those fights} - but also "ran" much/far more than Floyd is even claimed to have "ran") seemingly posed no real issues for Pacquaio; yet, during MayPac, when Floyd - allegedly - "ran" (despite Floyd throwing/landing more punches than Pac and despite Floyd spending a lot of time on the ropes where PacRoach claimed Floyd was vulnerable) this "running" (not PacJuice's shoulder) was deemed to be the reason the fight was uninteresting. So, we conveniently have all the blame for those upset with Floyd's victory (usually those that wanted Pac to win) being attributed to; not Pac's shoulder, not Pac PED testing phase, not anything to do with Pac, and instead it all goes to Floyd fighting the way everybody said and knew he did. Not only that, but that is also deemed to be worse than catch weight fighting guys with a PED advantage and fraudulently dealing with injuries, the NSAC, the public, and numerous other things. But there's no hypocrisy here, oh no. :) The very start of the video, and also the very ending (Oscar cameo) is also Gold; even if you ignore the hate on Oscar's "The Ring" website. On another thread someone recently posted a phrase, "people need to accept it". Perhaps its time for that to apply here also. Particularly since (aside from DonkeyNoise) no-one has any answers and/or any reasonably coherent and provable statements to address my above post to which yours responded. Good stuff BS.


-brownsugar :

I had missed your post earlier. Yep, know whatcha mean, and (obviously) agree. The (popular) script is pretty much flipped when all the (unpopular) facts are laid bare; which explains why they're initially ignored and then further shunned if placed on the table and/or somewhere where they can't easily be ignored. :) I don't usually get into the longer DBN's breakdowns but this one was sent to me the other day. There's not much in there that seems out of place to me; see what you think.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNzfmE01oHg There is some interesting commentary in there (above video) about how Rios and Algieri, when they fought Pac and noticeably "ran" (not just without any of the criticism that Floyd has received for "running" {probably because Pac didn't lose and/or get stringently tested in those fights} - but also "ran" much/far more than Floyd is even claimed to have "ran") seemingly posed no real issues for Pacquaio; yet, during MayPac, when Floyd - allegedly - "ran" (despite Floyd throwing/landing more punches than Pac and despite Floyd spending a lot of time on the ropes where PacRoach claimed Floyd was vulnerable) this "running" (not PacJuice's shoulder) was deemed to be the reason the fight was uninteresting. So, we conveniently have all the blame for those upset with Floyd's victory (usually those that wanted Pac to win) being attributed to; not Pac's shoulder, not Pac PED testing phase, not anything to do with Pac, and instead it all goes to Floyd fighting the way everybody said and knew he did. Not only that, but that is also deemed to be worse than catch weight fighting guys with a PED advantage and fraudulently dealing with injuries, the NSAC, the public, and numerous other things. But there's no hypocrisy here, oh no. :) The very start of the video, and also the very ending (Oscar cameo) is also Gold; even if you ignore the hate on Oscar's "The Ring" website. On another thread someone recently posted a phrase, "people need to accept it". Perhaps its time for that to apply here also. Particularly since (aside from DonkeyNoise) no-one has any answers and/or any reasonably coherent and provable statements to address my above post to which yours responded. Good stuff BS.
Thanks I'll check out the link on my break. History shows the best boxers in history " ran" ..... Ali, Robinson, Ricardo Lopez, Pep, ....and yes I agree, what was Pac's excuse for letting Floyd be first for the first 3 rounds?...


-Radam G :

This nonsense teaming never stop. OMG! Talking about maturity. Why doesn't that clown substantiate? Holla!


-stormcentre :

This nonsense teaming never stop. OMG! Talking about maturity. Why doesn't that clown substantiate? Holla!
Where were all these noble thoughts (maturity) and principles (substantiate) prior to MayPac; when we were bombarded with PacEntourage DonkeyLogic? In fact where have they been even after? Personally, I'd love to see DonkeyClown "himself" attempt to substantiate and/or address any of the claims/issues listed in the above post #12 (most of them have their genesis with Donkey), or any of those issues within the myriad of the other posts Donkey has either claimed he would substantiate and/or authored but then later claimed he wont. It's a tragedy !!!! :) :) OMG, when will this reference of the, facts, truth, and also the considerations that pretty much represent the evolution of inconvenient and historical discoveries that map out how some consistently placed their hooves in their mouth to such an extent that when later asked to explain (even 1/20th of the wild and extreme claims they authored) all they can now do is; "Hee Haw", knaw grass, gallop away, and, of course, accuse others of doing what they themselves have been unable to refrain from. Substantiate. Those facts, truths, and requests to explain, are, for Donkey Logic, like Donkey Kryponite aren't they? If there is anything inaccurate with what DBN or the points within the above post #12, says; I would politely invite you to explain/prove - with facts and substance (not DonkeyJibber) - what it is that is wrong, and substantiate why? Please don't make this just another wasted opportunity (as per the 17 previous times when you have failed to honour your commitment to explain and/or ran from it) to show the world just how much you can, and want to, really back up what you say. :) Please lead by example and remember . . ""Floyd is getting knocked the double fudge out"", and ""no-body misses Floyd's body, and I mean nobody, . . I syet you not"". Over to you DonkeyWonderlandInhabitant. Hee Haw.


-stormcentre :

This nonsense teaming never stop. OMG! Talking about maturity. Why doesn't that clown substantiate? Holla!
Where were all these noble thoughts (maturity) and principles (substantiate) prior to MayPac; when we were bombarded with PacEntourage DonkeyLogic? In fact where have they been even after? Personally, I'd love to see DonkeyClown "himself" attempt to substantiate and/or address any of the claims/issues listed in the above post #12 (most of them have their genesis with Donkey), or any of those issues within the myriad of the other posts Donkey has either claimed he would substantiate and/or authored but then later claimed he wont. It's a tragedy !!!! :) :) OMG, when will this reference of the, facts, truth, and also the considerations that pretty much represent the evolution of inconvenient and historical discoveries that map out how some consistently placed their hooves in their mouth to such an extent that when later asked to explain (even 1/20th of the wild and extreme claims they authored) all they can now do is; "Hee Haw", knaw grass, gallop away, and, of course, accuse others of doing what they themselves have been unable to refrain from. Substantiate. Those facts, truths, and requests to explain, are, for Donkey Logic, like Donkey Kryponite aren't they? If there is anything inaccurate with what DBN video or the points within the above post #12, says; I would politely invite you to explain/prove - with facts and substance (not DonkeyJibber) - what it is that is wrong, and substantiate why? Please don't make this just another wasted opportunity (as per the 17 previous times when you have failed to honour your commitment to explain and/or ran from it) to show the world just how much you can, and want to, really back up what you say. :) Please lead by example and remember . . ""Floyd is getting knocked the double fudge out"", and ""no-body misses Floyd's body, and I mean nobody, . . I syet you not"". Over to you DonkeyWonderlandInhabitant. Hee Haw.
PS: looking into
StormCentre's crystal ball . . . he sees a wildly "Hee-Hawing" Donkey galloping lonely and wildly around a paddock within the PacJuice ranch; in DonkeyWonderland. Unfortunately though there appears to be no truth on the horizon for DonkeyWonderland, just more . . howling at the moon, misdirection, DonkeyLogic, hypocrisy, and, of course, no explanations. Let's see if the crystal ball is accurate? :)


-Robert Curtis :

All the life-coaches and clinical psychologists and super-shrinks say that you can never live in the land of coulda, woulda and shoulda. But the only chance a Money-Manny bout had of promising genuine, competitive sports entertainment passed us all by six years ago. Coulda and shoulda. Now shame on us schmucks who thought we could buy back our youth with $99.99. I can't blame Floyd for waiting for Manny's heat to cool down. Why risk any serious danger? Ray Robinson could not recognize his own children, and Ali can barely speak, yep, sadly so -- after all the beatings they took from the world's most dangerous boxers at their peak. How great it must be to retire young with all your marbles still in the bag! This is an impressive doctoral thesis, and I admire the voluminous footnotes in the thread. But my house is on fire -- must rescue the cat -- and "I ain't got time for that!" It's a nice pitch to get Money May on the couch though. Can't blame a guy for trying. What would a top shrink charge Floyd? $600 an hour? At least four sessions a week for a two years of analysis? After the two years are over, you tell Money it was "just a drop in the bucket" and that he should stay on the coach for another five years at least. We're making such progress! But Floyd's probably too streetwise to go for it. As Mrs. Howell used to say on Gilligan's Island: "Anyone who says money can't buy happiness doesn't know where to shop!"


-stormcentre :

All the life-coaches and clinical psychologists and super-shrinks say that you can never live in the land of coulda, woulda and shoulda. But the only chance a Money-Manny bout had of promising genuine, competitive sports entertainment passed us all by six years ago. Coulda and shoulda. Now shame on us schmucks who thought we could buy back our youth with $99.99. I can't blame Floyd for waiting for Manny's heat to cool down. Why risk any serious danger? Ray Robinson could not recognize his own children, and Ali can barely speak, yep, sadly so -- after all the beatings they took from the world's most dangerous boxers at their peak. How great it must be to retire young with all your marbles still in the bag! This is an impressive doctoral thesis, and I admire the voluminous footnotes in the thread. But my house is on fire -- must rescue the cat -- and "I ain't got time for that!" It's a nice pitch to get Money May on the couch though. Can't blame a guy for trying. What would a top shrink charge Floyd? $600 an hour? At least four sessions a week for a two years of analysis? After the two years are over, you tell Money it was "just a drop in the bucket" and that he should stay on the coach for another five years at least. We're making such progress! But Floyd's probably too streetwise to go for it. As Mrs. Howell used to say on Gilligan's Island: "Anyone who says money can't buy happiness doesn't know where to shop!"
Cool post. Love the last line; "anyone who says money can't buy happiness doesn't know where to shop!". Sort of goes with U2's line from "Bullet In The Blue Sky"; ""If there's a God in this world, let me tell you something . . . he sure aint short of cash mister"". And yes, I agree - for his possible out of the ring faults - Floyd will probably (unlike many past greats that some want Floyd to emulate; so he can lose) retire with all his marbles (and considerable stashes of) cash. Would be funny to listen in on some psychologist sessions with Floyd. :) :)