AND STILL…Masterful Mayweather Bests Pacquiao Via UD12, In Sub-Classic  Scrap

Maybe he’s not the best ever, that’s debateable, but he is a contemporary master.

In the main event of the most important fight since 2002 and the biggest revenue maker of all time, Floyd Mayweather, born in Michigan, nicknamed “Money,” drew harsh boos when he walked to the ring with a 47-0 mark. The white hatted Pacman came in with the hopes of nations on his shoulders, and a 57-5-2 mark.

But you had to tip your cap to the victor, even if you don’t care for his character or the character he plays; his mix of jabs, movement, potshot rights, exemplary defense and just enough offense to win rounds brought him past Manny Pacquiao.

The scores were 118-110 (Dave Moretti), 116-112 (Glenn Feldman), 116-112 (Burt Clements). Floyd stayed unbeaten. The crowd booed but it was the right call, no doubt in my mind, and I favored the Moretti card over the others for accuracy. If it wasn’t easy work, it came damned close to that. Mayweather told people coming in that Pacman was reckless and would get picked apart, and that assessment looked not to be fallacious post-fight.

Some of the crowd, and I dare say a large portion of the folks in households where $100 was ponied up to watch “the Fight of the Century,” were likely booing because they expected more, and better, from both men.

Mayweather’s effort was clinical, surgical, but his own father/trainer acted disappointed in the lack of offensive-mindedness. Pacman, working with a bum right shoulder, was a one-man gang, who relied on his left, and his punch output was woeful compared to past efforts. The two together threw as many punches as one busy welterweight on an energized night.

No, this was no classic and fell beneath expectations for many who soaked up the hype. Hardcore fight fans, who’ve been through the hype ringer, and know the Mayweather style, many of them were unfazed, and felt they got what they expected.

In the end, it was either a mild black eye, or major black eye (especially in regards to snapping up new converts) or a wash for boxing as a whole. That, in itself, is a disappointment, as the stage was ours, the spotlight solely on us, and our sport didn’t shine like it could have. Such is life…

After, Floyd tipped his hat to Manny, calling him “one helluva fighter.” Always makes sense to buff up the one ya just beat.

“I have one more fight,” Floyd said, when asked about the future. “My last fight is in September, and then it’s time for me to hang it up.”

I’m mega dubious of that, though he maintains because he’s almost 40, the time is nigh. Where else can you earn so much for doing what you love? I recommend none of you fall for what is an obvious leveraging ploy.

Kenny Bayless reffed, and was not an issue, though some wished for him to be more stern in regards to Mayweathers’ frequent headlocks. Team Pacman, though, didn’t protest his work afterwards.

In the first, the Floyd jab spoke. He boxed super smart and landed a couple sharp rights. Manny didn’t get untracked.

In the second, the ring general Floyd got it done with movement and the jab and clinching when Manny approached. In the third, Manny landed clean a couple times but Floyd’s jab, right leads, movement and clinching spoke louder.

In the fourth, a straight left landed and then Manny flurried. MM blocked well and basically decided not to move much, let his legs take the round off. In the fifth, the crowd booed the MM headlocks. Jabs and feints kept Manny from setting up and straight rights kept him busy. Another Money round in the bank.

In the sixth, it was tight. Floyd elected to give the legs some rest, stand and fight. But he jabbed, jabbed and so Manny had a hard time finding openings. In the seventh, Floyd did it his way, jabbed, landed a hook, kept Manny at bay with feints, and mostly, that jab, more an annoying one than a nasty one. In the eighth, Floyd fought boring and smart, and won the round. Manny wasn’t getting off because Floyd disrupted his rhythm. The potshot right worked well for MM. In the ninth, Floyd’s jab kept Manny from flurrying.

In the tenth, MM was the ace ring general. Potshot rights, a hook, masterful D, another round in the bank.

In the 11th, Floyd had his way. Too good defensively. In the 12th, it was more of the same. Pretty easy work, I think he will say..

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COMMENTS

-The Good Doctor :

Had it 8-4 and if Floyd had kept the fight off the ropes it may have been a clean sweep. Pretty much what I expected. No rematch needed.


-SuperLight :

I'm with the good doctor here. Great performance by Floyd. Manny at least landed some solid ones and got the crowd going with a few combos.


-The Shadow :

"He wouldn't stand still!" He was scared! Gonna get knocked out! Footwork! Speed! Work rate! Juice! (What was up with that acne?!) I'm a flomo! TMT! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I got two words: ANTE UP!


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

No need for rematch needed. Holla.


-Skibbz :

I had it 10-2 floyd, agreed it could have been a clean sweep. What a virtuoso performance from floyd! It was stunning how he kept the range with his fast feet (he's still got it) and turned manny back with those accurate right hands. He really put out his stall in the first round with those rights, warded manny off and never let him come close. A fight i will remember for a long time, what a stunningly beautiful performance, props to Floyd and his team they made a fighter of the decade and 8 weight world champ look average.... Simply superb!!


-The Good Doctor :

@SHADOW Dude where you been? You missing like Manny's straight left.


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

I also agree with GD and SL. The question is how does Manny believe he won the fight?


-Skibbz :

I also agree with GD and SL. The question is how does Manny believe he won the fight?
How can he? I really doubt he does deep down, sounded bitter it would be been more congress like had he been magnanimous in defeat but he feels how he does and you can't blame him, he lost the biggest fight of his life and was out classes and dominated.


-amayseng :

I had it 7-5 for Floyd in a rather uneventful performance from both. Manny staggered Floyd a few times and Floyd mainly kept Pac at distance with a strong jab that didn't land much. Both guys are a shell of their former selves.


-The Shadow :

Hahaha! Well the discourse had eroded to primitive levels, didn't want to partake, figured I would let the reality speak for itself. Floyd even threw more than Manny! Hopefully people will appreciate that we're watching a legitimate all-time great here. It was great to see them embrace as well.


-Buzz Murdock :

i thought Pacquiao won...Mayweather's timing was off, and he never committed to anything...i'll give him him the prop greatest self-promoted boxer of all time, but dancing around the ring didn't impress me. Pacquaio at least cut lose with some action, while Mayweather fought like Sugar Ray Leonard against Terry Norris...Relentless fighters past their prime just arn't relentless enough to impress judges (?) in Vegas with their own agenda...Floyd's gazelle act didn't move me at all..all time great my ***...


-SouthPawFlo :

I'm not even gonna say "I Told Ya So" but Pacman really disappointed me tonight, he should've "Sold Out" when he was clearly getting outboxed... This is the guy people really believed would beat Money May.. Maidana was a harder fighter because he was Hell Bent on getting inside no matter what, Manny just say back and ate Jabs and Counter Rights all night... Then he said he thought he won!!! Add Comedian to Manny's list of things he does!!!


-SouthPawFlo :

Please tell me what 4 Rounds Manny Won??? I had it 10-2, could've been 11-1


-the Roast :

You must have a different TV Buzz. I had it 9-3 for Floyd. Too fast, too long, too much for Manny to deal with. Floyd kept slipping out of danger to his left and Manny never cut him off. Pretty much what I expected to see. I thought Pac would have landed more than he did.


-The Good Doctor :

i thought Pacquiao won...Mayweather's timing was off, and he never committed to anything...i'll give him him the prop greatest self-promoted boxer of all time, but dancing around the ring didn't impress me. Pacquaio at least cut lose with some action, while Mayweather fought like Sugar Ray Leonard against Terry Norris...Relentless fighters past their prime just arn't relentless enough to impress judges (?) in Vegas with their own agenda...Floyd's gazelle act didn't move me at all..all time great my ***...
Even when I disagree with someone's opinion, I try real hard not to disparage it or call them crazy because that is dismissive and you can often lose an opportunity to learn something. We once had someone argue that Bradley beat Pac the first time and although I did not agree with it, they explained their logic and I respected their outlook. With this fight, I can see an argument for even after 4, even after 6, and even a stretch for even after 8. If you give Manny 12 because Floyd danced, that still leaves me with two more rounds to give Manny to get a win. All that being said, how did you score it and let us hear what you saw. By the way, I agree with you assessment of being an all time great. I don't even have him top 20 all time.


-Pazuzu :

I'll give it to Mayweather, a virtuoso performance. No one has ever shut Manny down like that. I had it 10-2 for Mayweather. Floyd's height and reach were major factors, as were his legs, which still looked very fresh. And his timing remains impeccable. Wow. He is indeed a very special fighter. I don't think the general public will appreciate what they just saw, but that was an incredible performance. Pacquaio realized in the first 30 seconds that he didn't have an answer for what was in front of him. It wasn't for lack of trying. Floyd is just that good.


-Radam G :

In old skool boksing where aggression counts, Da Manny would have won. But that is not what we are dealing with. We are in the area of New Jack. So just call Money May da Mack. That bytch could not punch through a papersack. Da Manny landed the heavier punches and no doubt was the aggressor. Money May is no doubt the New Jack TBE. Holla!


-Pazuzu :

Also, as long as we are giving due credit, Kenny Bayless was superb. In there quickly when he needed to be, impartial, let the fighters fight their fight. Couldn't have asked for a more professional ref.


-SouthPawFlo :

I can't want to hear what Freddie Roach has to say about this... Manny was dominated, and I've never ever been able to say that in any of his other fights....


-Skibbz :

I'll give it to Mayweather, a virtuoso performance. No one has ever shut Manny down like that. I had it 10-2 for Mayweather. Floyd's height and reach were major factors, as were his legs, which still looked very fresh. And his timing remains impeccable. Wow. He is indeed a very special fighter. I don't think the general public will appreciate what they just saw, but that was an incredible performance. Pacquaio realized in the first 30 seconds that he didn't have an answer for what was in front of him. It wasn't for lack of trying. Floyd is just that good.
Agreed


-Pazuzu :

[QUOTE=Radam G;81010]In old skool boksing where aggression counts, Da Manny would have won. [\QUOTE] Cmon Radam.
effective aggression is the criterion, and it's only one of four factors used to score a round. Clean punching, defense and ring generalship were all Mayweather, all night.


-Radam G :

Have your cheers with the New Jack style of pugging. Money May is the MAN in that type of scraping. TBE! Holla!


-brownsugar :

Have your cheers with the New Jack style of pugging. Money May is the MAN in that type of scraing. TBE! Holla!
I love you RG...still true to da game much props to Manny


-King Beef :

Props to both fighters, although I picked Mayweather, I didn't not think it was going to be this easy. Like someone said earlier; you do not blow out Pac. ..but it was pretty damn close tonight. Btw..you Vegas guys; why are you not out enjoying the festivities!!!! Enjoy fellas


-Radam G :

[QUOTE=Radam G;81010]In old skool boksing where aggression counts, Da Manny would have won. [\QUOTE] Cmon Radam.
effective aggression in the criterion, and it's only one of four factors used to score a round. Clean punching, defense and ring generalship were all Mayweather, all night.
TBE in THIS New Jack era. I give it up to Mayweather. What else do you want me to do? Follow Holy and say that Lil Floyd lost? No! lil Floyd got the win! The fight was for up for grabs. I'm not bytching. I know what time it. For old skool a change is a coming. New Jack is now Da Mack! Holla!


-the Roast :

[QUOTE=Pazuzu;81014] TBE in THIS New Jack era. I give it up to Mayweather. What else do you want me to do? Follow Holy and he say that Lil Floyd lost? No! lil Floyd got the win! The fight was for up for grabs. I'm not bytching. I know what time it. For old skool a change is a coming. New Jack is now Da Mack! Holla!
Where was that double fudge Knockout that you have been talking about for the last six years??? Why did Da Manny not cut Da ring off as Money slipped away every single time?


-Absy71 :

Wow, after the 1st 4 rounds, I had it even, then something happened, Floyd took over, I will have to re watch it as I was in a very noisy pub, pro PAC crowd, I was rooting for PAC aswell, but I was trying to keep it real with my boxing bros ( who were getting pissed, I drank water, lol ), I am no boxing expert, but, I have never seen PAC miss so many punches, in the end I gave 4 rounds to PAC , Floyd seem to toy with him at times, like a slow contempory dance & one partner couldn't keep up


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

If "if" was a "fifth" we would all be drunk. You crow eating folks need to stop with the excuses. Floyd put on a clinic and won relatively easy. He took some lumps because Pac is no push over, but he boxed beautifully. The check hook pivot off the ropes was text book and Pac needs to watch some GGG film on how to properly cut off the ring. Pac was game, but Mayweather is on another level.


-King Beef :

Wow, after the 1st 4 rounds, I had it even, then something happened, Floyd took over, I will have to re watch it as I was in a very noisy pub, pro PAC crowd, I was rooting for PAC aswell, but I was trying to keep it real with my boxing bros ( who were getting pissed, I drank water, lol ), I am no boxing expert, but, I have never seen PAC miss so many punches, in the end I gave 4 rounds to PAC , Floyd seem to toy with him at times, like a slow contempory dance & one partner couldn't keep up
Absy71, thats whats generally happens with a Mayweather fight; he takes a couple of round to guage the opponent, and then he makes adjustments and usually nullifies his opponents best weapons. The general concensus was this time it would be different.


-Absy71 :

KB, thanks for reply, yep, Floyd always adjusts, I thought PAC could be all wrong for him, & be the one to bring him down. I was wrong, PAC was made to look ordinary at times, stumbling etc, unco-ordinated, Floyd is so smooth, you know it's funny watching one eyed supporters ( who have had a few ), trying to say & still saying PAC won, which I don't believe, cause of PAC always coming forward. I have responded to my pissed mate' s who r x boxers, that PAC had at times got his head counterpunched in, anyway different stokes for different folks. Both all time Great Fighters!, Floyd is just better period.


-King Beef :

KB, thanks for reply, yep, Floyd always adjusts, I thought PAC could be all wrong for him, & be the one to bring him down. PAC was made to look ordinary at times, stumbling etc, unco-ordinated, Floyd is so smooth, you know it's funny watching one eyed supporters ( who have had a few ), trying to say & still saying PAC won, I have responded to my pissed mate' s who r x boxers, that PAC had at times got his head counterpunched in, anyway different stokes for different folks. Both all time Great Fighters!
I figured Mayweather would adjust and do his thing, but I thought it would take alittle bit longer for him to time Pac. Pac's footwork is fast, very fast, but he is often off balance in the boxing sense, which is not a good thing against somebody like Mayweather. True they will both have their place in the HOF.


-Absy71 :

Agreed


-SouthPawFlo :

I don't care what "era" they fought Manny wouldn't have won... He had no answer for the Jab, and ate right hands all night... Freddie Roach is the trainer of the year for that GamePlan??? Manny threw half of the amount of punches he normally does, why is it sooo hard for Pac Fans to just say Mayweather is better??? The man landed 81 punches in 12 rounds, 18% connect percentage... Just admit Pacman was schooled by a better fighter, Floyd fought his fight and Manny couldn't do anything about it..


-Radam G :

[QUOTE=Radam G;81018] Where was that double fudge Knockout that you have been talking about for the last six years??? Why did Da Manny not cut Da ring off as Money slipped away every single time?
It didn't come because NSAC interfered with an injection that Da Manny needed for a shoulder injury. You cannot trust the crooks of Sin City. The bout should have been delayed for a week or two, because Money May is Nevada Cashcow and was going nowhere. Now it is too late to bytch, complained and tell the truth. The hater and groupies don't give a d@mn. Money May is TBF New Jack pug. Holla!


-Radam G :

I don't care what "era" they fought Manny wouldn't have won... He had no answer for the Jab, and ate right hands all night... Freddie Roach is the trainer of the year for that GamePlan??? Manny threw half of the amount of punches he normally does, why is it sooo hard for Pac Fans to just say Mayweather is better??? The man landed 81 punches in 12 rounds, 18% connect percentage... Just admit Pacman was schooled by a better fighter, Floyd fought his fight and Manny couldn't do anything about it..
Fighters fight with injuries all the time. It was obvious that Da Manny had one. But so did Lil a Floyd! He is TBF New Jack pug. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

So let me get this straight; The guy who complained about not wanting to deal with needles on the day of a fight 5-6 years ago is now complaining that he wasn't allowed to get a needle before the fight.... Tooo funny!!!! Just say the better man won!!!!


-Chris L :

So it's finally over. You could also make a strong argument for Floyd winning 9 or 10 of the 12 rounds, impressively. It wasn't even all that close.


-leon30001 :

Floyd proved to be the better fighter at this point in time, no doubt about it. His accuracy was tremendous, and his punches hurtful, and it shut down Manny's offense. Before ever criticising Pacquiao I'd always offer the caveat that he's a 140 pounder at most, in real terms, and, had he been carrying a near-3 inch height, and 4 inch reach advantage, into this fight, it would have been a completely different dynamic. but he didn't, and, slightly reluctantly (because he really should have fought him years ago), I have to give a good deal of credit to Floyd.


-Yogo :

Props to Money. Great performance and easy work really. I was shocked at the size difference, like a lightweight v a junior middle. Manny had nothing left in the tank and he should bow out for me. Will Money do the unthinkable and take the scary GGG on?


-Absy71 :

Agree


-Absy71 :

Yep I thought in that time of Floyd adjusting, PAC might of been able to get him outta there , props to Floyd, awesome fighter!


-Froggy :

I don't care what "era" they fought Manny wouldn't have won... He had no answer for the Jab, and ate right hands all night... Freddie Roach is the trainer of the year for that GamePlan??? Manny threw half of the amount of punches he normally does, why is it sooo hard for Pac Fans to just say Mayweather is better??? The man landed 81 punches in 12 rounds, 18% connect percentage... Just admit Pacman was schooled by a better fighter, Floyd fought his fight and Manny couldn't do anything about it..
I was a big Pacquiao fan before last night and I'm still a big Pacquiao fan and although I am still not and never will be a Mayweather fan I have no problem saying the better boxer won last night !


-michigan400 :

Not the 1st fight i picked wrong and won't be the last!! Lol!! CongratS Floyd. I still cant stand your arrogant ***. And I didn't pay to watch!! Suck on that!!


-mortcola :

Pac had one chance to win this fight without argument. That was to be Hagler against Hearns. Forget that Floyd is a hard target. It is bravely forcing in with rocks in his fists and landing anywhere - shoulder, forearms, ear-cuffs, and to do it in combinations, to bruise Mayweather and make him fight off his back foot, reacting to punches that may not be coming. Manny waited and watched for openings the same way most of Floyd?s opponents did. It would have worked. When he was aggressive, Pac landed snapping straight lefts, strong jabs, even double left crosses, leaving Money throwing check hooks at a non-existent target. Floyd?s genius at making guys think they have to wait for openings to exploit was on full display. But his boxing was not so stellar last night to those in the know....Manny, unmotivated to do so by Roach just let himself punch selectively instead of chopping down the tree. And, yes, a number of rounds had Manny showing he could do this, but letting Floyd go back to sharpshooting the next. It is this pattern that explains some people giving Pac more credit than others think he deserves. But this was his chance to break down the Mayweather composure, and he had to do it with Hagler-esque intensity. And he doesn?t have that in him anymore. Now the myth is over, the fight is history, and I?m not sure what to think about next.


-Skibbz :

I disagree Mort the intensities there, but Floyd was too fast with is feet and arms for Manny. He employed a great strategy to win the fight and one that I certainly didn't think he had left in him - I thought his legs had slowed a tad... they're clearly as fast as they've ever been. Manny would try to come in behind a jab to land a left in the early rounds, but Floyd would jump out of range. Manny would attempt it again and again Floyd would get out of distance. The world knowing Manny, he would come again but this time would find himself on the receiving end of the right hand that epitomises Floyd's boxing. Floyd was like a matador, he kept prodding and pricking the bull, trying to make him see red then leading him into no where or into a counter. It was a masterful display, I loved every moment of it. And when Pacquiao realised that the right hand was always going to be there every time he moved into it's range he didn't know how to attack! He would find himself in his own punching range with Floyd seemingly inviting his offence but he would hesitate a second or two.. Then Floyd was maneuvering away behind a long swift jab, dropping back into range again and firing another right hand. Every time that punch landed, every single time that punch landed my sense of awe grew. To see them both in the ring together was surreal enough, but to see Floyd's dominance was something I hadn't been able to dream up. Then you had Floyd sitting on the ropes, Manny would fire a 8 punch combination but with everything landing on the gloves or arms.. Pac simply retreated back into the centre of the ring because there was nothing to hit with Floyd so well defended in his cocoon like shell. The only criticism you can make of Floyd last night was that it wasn't a 12 round white wash - and that's simply noting the magnitude of his display last night. Going to enjoy watching this fight for many years to come!


-Skibbz :

To add: he was like a snake charmer with his jab last night. Lulled and tamed Pacman with it and then pop came his right hand. What a performance!!


-Radam G :

So let me get this straight; The guy who complained about not wanting to deal with needles on the day of a fight 5-6 years ago is now complaining that he wasn't allowed to get a needle before the fight.... Tooo funny!!!! Just say the better man won!!!!
It is not funny at all. It was not the night of the fight. We are talking several days back. What is funny is that he fought. And the new walk-him-down killer didn't and couldn't knock him out, i.e., Hulkquez. YUP! TBE The New Jack could not put away a wounded pug. Holla!


-Domenic :

I had it even through 4 rounds, then Floyd coasted. I was hoping Manny would just get leather on him - arms, elbows, whatever- but just couldn't. No rematch necessary at all.


-Radam G :

i thought Pacquiao won...Mayweather's timing was off, and he never committed to anything...i'll give him him the prop greatest self-promoted boxer of all time, but dancing around the ring didn't impress me. Pacquaio at least cut lose with some action, while Mayweather fought like Sugar Ray Leonard against Terry Norris...Relentless fighters past their prime just arn't relentless enough to impress judges (?) in Vegas with their own agenda...Floyd's gazelle act didn't move me at all..all time great my ***...
All respect due. You are not along. Though, I won't bytch about the verdict. Holyfield went for Da Manny:
->http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/05/03/evander-holyfield-pacquiao-won-the-fight/. Sugar Shane is also on record for Da Manny. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

For those who feel PacMan won,can you tell the world what 7 rounds you guys had him winning to do enough to win the fight... You can't say he out worked Floyd because the PunchStat numbers will refute that, and definitely wasn't landing a lot of big shots with a 19% connect percentage...


-mortcola :

Hey Skibbz, all my TSSbros, respek, and I?m glad to be here reviewing things with you now that history has ended...I stick with a few perceptions of this fight. FLoyd didn?t do anything I didn?t expect him to do. It was a good display of his general recipe for neutering his opponent. But this is a another way of saying that Pac and Roach didn?t have to face anything they didn?t imagine a million times. As much as I love Pac, he shares a lot of Duran?s virtues, but he?s not quite as complete or savvy a fighter. Duran would not have been lulled into a low punch output, self-doubting state. He would have, as I prognosticated Pac had to, bit every legal zone of Mayweather flesh, bruised and ouchied him, pushed him back....he was actually partly successful at this. On several occasions, he slipped Mayweather right leads (which, worshipful elegies aside), Floyd through with half power, out of fear of remaining too long over his front foot, hence the fact that he never even buzzed Pac with the cleanest of them), then countered, sometimes with a double straight left; when Pac LEAD with the straight left or a strong jab, he knocked Mayweather several steps back, buckled his knees on two legit occasions, then strafed him with a flurry, backing off so as not to waste his ATP banging on elbows. But Manny really had one chance to win this fight, and he didn?t take it more than few times: again, that was to step through the accurate drone strikes and make Floyd drunk and out of his all-important comfort zone by way of volume - lots of bruising flurries that would score points, nullify the Mayweather sharpshooting and increase the odds of stunning and hurting him. Bruise and tire the mutha. This is not just wishful hindsight; Pac SUCCESSFULLY did this on four or five occasions; what he didn?t EVER do is step right to throw that cross, left to shoot that short upper-jab, make Floyd worry, use those angles he?s famous for but doesn?t really use anymore......two things have happened: I?ve said it for years now, since Manny got straight with God he has stopped trying to hurt people, and, even though he?s still reasonably quick and well conditioned, much like Roy Jones, he no longer consistently or effectively makes the holy moly moves that allow dramatic sudden fight-changers to happen. 83% Pacman is good enough to cleanly beat Tim Bradley and play ping pong with Rios? head, enough to bounce pretty green Algieri off the mat (without finishing him) six times; it is not enough to overwhelm Money into a state of survival-stakes improvisation. And, as many people have said many different ways, the businessman Mayweather waited until the data was in that said Pac is still good enough to be, in the public eye, part of a true Money-puffing super fight while being, in the small meaningful athletic ways only a real boxing insider can see, no longer able or wiling to pull off the dangerous tight-rope walker KO moves of 8 years ago; made worse by the fact that he doesn?t really punch like he?s aiming for your Momma?s fallopian tubes anymore, because it ain?t compassionate or Godly, and he doesn?t need the money that badly anymore, and because Jinkee doesn?t want a man who will do anything he f-in? pleases anymore. Mayweather was no better than I?ve come to expect; Manny has proven a point I?ve been making for a few years now, which is that boxing has become a job he?s competent at, rather than a life/death gauntlet. So, the Manny of 2010 is gone, and Floyd did what he does, which is to produce the illusion of greatness for the dumbass public while actually maximizing return and minimizing risk. He waited till the most profitable, low-risk harvest time, while keeping up the publics? salivation. I?m right on this one, sucka


-amayseng :

Hey Skibbz, all my TSSbros, respek, and I?m glad to be here reviewing things with you now that history has ended...I stick with a few perceptions of this fight. FLoyd didn?t do anything I didn?t expect him to do. It was a good display of his general recipe for neutering his opponent. But this is a another way of saying that Pac and Roach didn?t have to face anything they didn?t imagine a million times. As much as I love Pac, he shares a lot of Duran?s virtues, but he?s not quite as complete or savvy a fighter. Duran would not have been lulled into a low punch output, self-doubting state. He would have, as I prognosticated Pac had to, bit every legal zone of Mayweather flesh, bruised and ouchied him, pushed him back....he was actually partly successful at this. On several occasions, he slipped Mayweather right leads (which, worshipful elegies aside), Floyd through with half power, out of fear of remaining too long over his front foot, hence the fact that he never even buzzed Pac with the cleanest of them), then countered, sometimes with a double straight left; when Pac LEAD with the straight left or a strong jab, he knocked Mayweather several steps back, buckled his knees on two legit occasions, then strafed him with a flurry, backing off so as not to waste his ATP banging on elbows. But Manny really had one chance to win this fight, and he didn?t take it more than few times: again, that was to step through the accurate drone strikes and make Floyd drunk and out of his all-important comfort zone by way of volume - lots of bruising flurries that would score points, nullify the Mayweather sharpshooting and increase the odds of stunning and hurting him. Bruise and tire the mutha. This is not just wishful hindsight; Pac SUCCESSFULLY did this on four or five occasions; what he didn?t EVER do is step right to throw that cross, left to shoot that short upper-jab, make Floyd worry, use those angles he?s famous for but doesn?t really use anymore......two things have happened: I?ve said it for years now, since Manny got straight with God he has stopped trying to hurt people, and, even though he?s still reasonably quick and well conditioned, much like Roy Jones, he no longer consistently or effectively makes the holy moly moves that allow dramatic sudden fight-changers to happen. 83% Pacman is good enough to cleanly beat Tim Bradley and play ping pong with Rios? head, enough to bounce pretty green Algieri off the mat (without finishing him) six times; it is not enough to overwhelm Money into a state of survival-stakes improvisation. And, as many people have said many different ways, the businessman Mayweather waited until the data was in that said Pac is still good enough to be, in the public eye, part of a true Money-puffing super fight while being, in the small meaningful athletic ways only a real boxing insider can see, no longer able or wiling to pull off the dangerous tight-rope walker KO moves of 8 years ago; made worse by the fact that he doesn?t really punch like he?s aiming for your Momma?s fallopian tubes anymore, because it ain?t compassionate or Godly, and he doesn?t need the money that badly anymore, and because Jinkee doesn?t want a man who will do anything he f-in? pleases anymore. Mayweather was no better than I?ve come to expect; Manny has proven a point I?ve been making for a few years now, which is that boxing has become a job he?s competent at, rather than a life/death gauntlet. So, the Manny of 2010 is gone, and Floyd did what he does, which is to produce the illusion of greatness for the dumbass public while actually maximizing return and minimizing risk. He waited till the most profitable, low-risk harvest time, while keeping up the publics? salivation. I?m right on this one, sucka
I agree 100%. I had it 7-5 for Floyd with two unimpressive performances. Floyd used a stay away jab and a dont come in here right hand. He was in no way putting on a clinic like the Canelo boxing lesson. Most of his shots were thrown to control distance and pace not to land as he mentioned himself he wanted to stay iut of the pocket. Pac would NOT step to the right and create an angle or opportunity to score and control pace. He barely threw flurries or used a right hook. Floyd did what was needed for a 38 year old past phenom to beat the smaller man. It was an intriguing matchup for sure but honestly seemed like a glorified sparring session. Next up Floyd to beat Cotto for the mw strap and retire.


-King Beef :

Amayseng; I would not be surprised if Floyd takes this win and calls it a day. The way he has been talking lately, I can't see him getting up for anybody that's left.


-Skibbz :

Hey Skibbz, all my TSSbros, respek, and I’m glad to be here reviewing things with you now that history has ended...I stick with a few perceptions of this fight. FLoyd didn’t do anything I didn’t expect him to do. It was a good display of his general recipe for neutering his opponent. But this is a another way of saying that Pac and Roach didn’t have to face anything they didn’t imagine a million times. As much as I love Pac, he shares a lot of Duran’s virtues, but he’s not quite as complete or savvy a fighter. Duran would not have been lulled into a low punch output, self-doubting state. He would have, as I prognosticated Pac had to, bit every legal zone of Mayweather flesh, bruised and ouchied him, pushed him back....he was actually partly successful at this. On several occasions, he slipped Mayweather right leads (which, worshipful elegies aside), Floyd through with half power, out of fear of remaining too long over his front foot, hence the fact that he never even buzzed Pac with the cleanest of them), then countered, sometimes with a double straight left; when Pac LEAD with the straight left or a strong jab, he knocked Mayweather several steps back, buckled his knees on two legit occasions, then strafed him with a flurry, backing off so as not to waste his ATP banging on elbows. But Manny really had one chance to win this fight, and he didn’t take it more than few times: again, that was to step through the accurate drone strikes and make Floyd drunk and out of his all-important comfort zone by way of volume - lots of bruising flurries that would score points, nullify the Mayweather sharpshooting and increase the odds of stunning and hurting him. Bruise and tire the mutha. This is not just wishful hindsight; Pac SUCCESSFULLY did this on four or five occasions; what he didn’t EVER do is step right to throw that cross, left to shoot that short upper-jab, make Floyd worry, use those angles he’s famous for but doesn’t really use anymore......two things have happened: I’ve said it for years now, since Manny got straight with God he has stopped trying to hurt people, and, even though he’s still reasonably quick and well conditioned, much like Roy Jones, he no longer consistently or effectively makes the holy moly moves that allow dramatic sudden fight-changers to happen. 83% Pacman is good enough to cleanly beat Tim Bradley and play ping pong with Rios’ head, enough to bounce pretty green Algieri off the mat (without finishing him) six times; it is not enough to overwhelm Money into a state of survival-stakes improvisation. And, as many people have said many different ways, the businessman Mayweather waited until the data was in that said Pac is still good enough to be, in the public eye, part of a true Money-puffing super fight while being, in the small meaningful athletic ways only a real boxing insider can see, no longer able or wiling to pull off the dangerous tight-rope walker KO moves of 8 years ago; made worse by the fact that he doesn’t really punch like he’s aiming for your Momma’s fallopian tubes anymore, because it ain’t compassionate or Godly, and he doesn’t need the money that badly anymore, and because Jinkee doesn’t want a man who will do anything he f-in’ pleases anymore. Mayweather was no better than I’ve come to expect; Manny has proven a point I’ve been making for a few years now, which is that boxing has become a job he’s competent at, rather than a life/death gauntlet. So, the Manny of 2010 is gone, and Floyd did what he does, which is to produce the illusion of greatness for the dumbass public while actually maximizing return and minimizing risk. He waited till the most profitable, low-risk harvest time, while keeping up the publics’ salivation. I’m right on this one, sucka
Having watched the fight again this afternoon, it's clear why Manny never threw those short upper jabs and those crosses he loves to throw with success. Floyd had studied those moves and worked on them the entire camp. Every time Manny tried to get in that sort of space floyd was keeping the distance with his feet sublimely. I love to watch all our aggressive bullies but as a fighter I have always been more negative in the ring, and Floyd's use of distance was great at times. He chose when to and when not to engage Pacquiao. Of course we can't expect Manny not to have had some better spells, I gave him rounds 4 and 6, but throughout the rest of the fight, the battle was kept under the reins of Floyd. He dictated where they fought, when they fought and for how long. Someone (maybe yourself) mentioned on this thread how Maidana went for broke in going for Floyd, he knew where he needed to be and made it his sole intention to get in that position and then get to work. The [U]
chancer[/U] that is usually Manny Pacquiao did not. I don't know what you want from Floyd Mort. Do you want him to slug with a slugger? Bang with a banger? Gamble when he's in no position to? That's not smart. You are a boxer yourself if i'm not mistaken, so you can appreciate that every time you step into the ring with opponent you're in a fight. No supposing you know your opponent hit's the harder, but your feet are faster, you're longer and you may have the advantage in ring IQ. Would you drop your hands a lil lower and load up on some leather? And come on.. Jinkee doesn't want manny to beat guys up, his compassion for god and his belly's full all led to him losing last night? I could not disagree more. This was the biggest fight of his life and he got dominated raw. That was an exhibition we saw. If that was an olympic final, a aba/golden gloves final or any other elite boxing final and we saw that display we'd be lauding the fighter as a future star. If you say Mayweather was no better than you have come to expect, please just so I can understand your point of view on the fighter elaborate as to what you have come to expect from him. It's his in ring tactical genius, second to none preparation and ultimate physical attributes right? Just something I might mention that has some relevance; The Mongols came off the steppes of Central Asia in the early 12th Century and conquered the largest continuous land empire in the world's history in the space of a few decades, all the way from China and Korea through to Poland. How did they do it? By fighting much the same as Floyd. They utilised their superior maneuverability and speed (being nomadic herders) and dictated when and where battles were fought - so that even when out numbered they would still be victorious. The way they fought their battles was like Floyd too; they rarely directly engaged the enemy - why would they? They're wearing some leather or some iron if they're lucky and have some bows and arrows whilst their opposition more often than not is kitted out in metal armour and almost always out numbered them - they instead used their bows and arrows whislt on horse back to ride close to the enemy, fire their shots then retreat out of range. They'd lure their aggressive and bloodlusting enemies into charging at them by a method of feigned retreats and then turn around and attack the strung out force from two sides. My point is that you have to use what you have to the best of your advantage - not fight someone else's fight. The man is a master boxer, who beats him today? Who is there left for him to fight? Almost two decades, 20 years, 48 have tried and 48 have lost, countless belts in several weight divisions, and still undefeated closing on his 40th birthday - illusion of greatness? What illusion? As a boxer he is great, how can you argue he isn't?


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Like Floyd says all of the time: It looks a lot easier from the outside, then when you are in the ring with him! Arum, Roach, and Pac crying about a injured shoulders is very weak! What it looks like to most is I got dominated and I have no explanation for it! NSAC has refuted Arum and crew claims that they even reported Pac was injured (but I guess Arum is telling the truth this time, yeah right). With all the trash Roach was talking does anyone really believe he would send Manny out there injured? For those wondering why MP hasn't been the hurricane he was, well we know the truth to that question, don't we?


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Having watched the fight again this afternoon, it's clear why Manny never threw those short upper jabs and those crosses he loves to throw with success. Floyd had studied those moves and worked on them the entire camp. Every time Manny tried to get in that sort of space floyd was keeping the distance with his feet sublimely. I love to watch all our aggressive bullies but as a fighter I have always been more negative in the ring, and Floyd's use of distance was great at times. He chose when to and when not to engage Pacquiao. Of course we can't expect Manny not to have had some better spells, I gave him rounds 4 and 6, but throughout the rest of the fight, the battle was kept under the reins of Floyd. He dictated where they fought, when they fought and for how long. Someone (maybe yourself) mentioned on this thread how Maidana went for broke in going for Floyd, he knew where he needed to be and made it his sole intention to get in that position and then get to work. The [U]
chancer[/U] that is usually Manny Pacquiao did not. I don't know what you want from Floyd Mort. Do you want him to slug with a slugger? Bang with a banger? Gamble when he's in no position to? That's not smart. You are a boxer yourself if i'm not mistaken, so you can appreciate that every time you step into the ring with opponent you're in a fight. No supposing you know your opponent hit's the harder, but your feet are faster, you're longer and you may have the advantage in ring IQ. Would you drop your hands a lil lower and load up on some leather? And come on.. Jinkee doesn't want manny to beat guys up, his compassion for god and his belly's full all led to him losing last night? I could not disagree more. This was the biggest fight of his life and he got dominated raw. That was an exhibition we saw. If that was an olympic final, a aba/golden gloves final or any other elite boxing final and we saw that display we'd be lauding the fighter as a future star. If you say Mayweather was no better than you have come to expect, please just so I can understand your point of view on the fighter elaborate as to what you have come to expect from him. It's his in ring tactical genius, second to none preparation and ultimate physical attributes right? Just something I might mention that has some relevance; The Mongols came off the steppes of Central Asia in the early 12th Century and conquered the largest continuous land empire in the world's history in the space of a few decades, all the way from China and Korea through to Poland. How did they do it? By fighting much the same as Floyd. They utilised their superior maneuverability and speed (being nomadic herders) and dictated when and where battles were fought - so that even when out numbered they would still be victorious. The way they fought their battles was like Floyd too; they rarely directly engaged the enemy - why would they? They're wearing some leather or some iron if they're lucky and have some bows and arrows whilst their opposition more often than not is kitted out in metal armour and almost always out numbered them - they instead used their bows and arrows whislt on horse back to ride close to the enemy, fire their shots then retreat out of range. They'd lure their aggressive and bloodlusting enemies into charging at them by a method of feigned retreats and then turn around and attack the strung out force from two sides. My point is that you have to use what you have to the best of your advantage - not fight someone else's fight. The man is a master boxer, who beats him today? Who is there left for him to fight? Almost two decades, 20 years, 48 have tried and 48 have lost, countless belts in several weight divisions, and still undefeated closing on his 40th birthday - illusion of greatness? What illusion? As a boxer he is great, how can you argue he isn't?
Well said, Skibbs.


-michaelabii :

Not a fight that will stand out in the annals of boxing history as a great 'action' fight but nonetheless this was a superb performance by a boxing master. Its funny how people criticize Floyds defense style and yet talk about how great Willie Pep and Sweet Pea Whittaker were. Manny tried and in some instances was successful. He tagged May-weather at least twice and seemingly hurt him but could never really penetrate Floyds vaunted defense. Floyd did what he does best which is to slow the fight down to where he wants it to be. How he does that is really anybody's guess and maybe someday some boxing technician will write a textbook on how to do this because no one does it any better than Floyd Mayweather. For the purist - it was an absorbing fight mostly due to the tension of the unknown. However, this was not the fight that would save boxing by luring the casual boxing fan. Nothing like the electric atmosphere before a big fight though.


-teaser :

ain't gonna be any rematch ?.both guys are pretty well finished on the ppv stage after this ?.same ole boring Floyd ?Manny no longer has the magic ?.what made this ppv so compelling was the chance of seeing Floyd in a exciting fight against what was supposed to be his nemesis ?we waited for this for year's and now the (PPV) bubble has burst ?Floyd might as well call it a day cause unless he gets in the ring with GGG the money train is over ?.Dominating an undersized Manny with a masterful but no risk performance has killed his stock ?.he should have gone for the ko or at least hurt manny badly a few times ?and Manny's vista of being an exciting fighter took a nose dive ?Bank the money boys cause it ain't gonna be near as good ever again ?


-mortcola :

Skibbz - you write and and think it eloquently. But there is another take. May weather didn?t surprise me at all because he has always been genius at neutralizing what his opponent does best. But much of what he does is psychological - if a fighter can be made to suffer from self-doubt, Mayweather will get in his head in addition to displaying his uncanny anticipation and mastery of space. HOWEVER, 1. I have stated long before the argument was about this fight, that Manny?s KO-drive stopped at precisely the time he became devout - a lot of guys lose the killer impetus as they mature, for a variety of personal reasons, and 2: Pac doesn?t execute what HE does best under far less taxing circumstances anywhere near as well as he did back around the Cotto days. When he made the effort in this fight, he was very often successful - he countered, landed heavy, outsped Floyd in individual exchanges - I believe that had Pac believed in his own best tactics, he would have succeeded in just the same way, much more often. But by coming in in a straight line the majority of the time and looking, waiting for visible openings - guaranteed failure against Floyd - he, as did so many previous opponents of Floyd?s - just nullified any chance he had. Floyd beat him by taking away his belief in his own greatest gifts, and also by letting this fight happen once Pac?s explosive speed and power had mellowed, believing that his own aging would be less significant than most of his opponents, as, part of his boxing IQ make it such that he will compensate for any athletic deterioration - minimal in his case partly because of how conservatively he has gone to battle over the years, not unlike how Hopkins has stayed sharp in spite of age. Manny might not have won - but his KIND of intermittent success would have occurred more, and made this more a battle of equals. I don?t denigrate Mayweather as a boxer, I know what and who he is. Don?t read that into my comments. But he has always made sure, just t be safe, that the playing field has never been level. He would have been great regardless, only more people would have believed it on his merits, and he wouldn?t have had to yell it at the world, if only he?d loved challenge a little more deeply. But kudos to your well-written piece, which I just happen to disagree with in key places.


-michaelabii :

Mort - great analysis as usual but I have to respectfully disagree. Mayweathers magic is his innate ability to slow a fight down. He also switches up the power on those right hands and so the opponent never really knows when he is going to throw a light or a hard right hand and it keeps them guessing. I personally think Roach and Manny over analyzed Floyd. They watched too many tapes and figured they would out - think Floyd which obviously did not work. I could see Manny trying to think his way in which is just not his style. The X factor in this fight was range control and you can only achieve that by having the better legs. Floyd Snr read the fight like the sage he is despite some things he says that are way out. he said Floyd would at some point counter Manny with every punch he threw. I thought Manny mentally gave up around the 10th round. Roach had no audible back up plan that made sense. Looking at this Mayweather would have stopped or at the very least made Manny quit if they had fought years ago when he was certainly more aggressive.


-Radam G :

The late, great Sugar Ray Robinson was an archmaster for not fighting when he had injury or a concern. Da Manny should have grabbed a page from the GREAT, FAMOUS one. And not fought because of injuries and /orconcerns. The world waited six year for a junk scrap, it could have waited for six more days or weeks. Da Manny could not do half the thing that he had intended to do because of injuries and Lil Floyd. Don't make it look like it was all Lil Floyd. He is great and all, but enhancement is necessary or needed. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

If Manny P did have an "injury" why didn't he disclose it earlier??? If his right shoulder was injured, what was the reason he wasn't dominating with his left hand??? Does anybody this Freddie Roach Prepared Manny better then Robert G Prepared Maidana???


-amayseng :

If Manny P did have an "injury" why didn't he disclose it earlier??? If his right shoulder was injured, what was the reason he wasn't dominating with his left hand??? Does anybody this Freddie Roach Prepared Manny better then Robert G Prepared Maidana???
Do u really need this explained? Ok if u plan on fighting u dont disclose an injury because first a dr can deem u are not medically cleared and second who is gonna buy the fight knowing a guy is injured and not gonna be nesr his best....,,,, u know all this well to use a power hand it most usually needs to be set up by the other hand or in combined uses especially against the worlds best. I assume u already know all this u just like to stir the pot I would have preferred a six week delay to the fight


-#1 PacFan :

He fought a pretty damn descent fight if he was injured. I cant judge on the injury because we the outside don't know for sure. Hope its true because IMO he didn't look like Manny and I hope the injury was the reason.


-Radam G :

If Manny P did have an "injury" why didn't he disclose it earlier??? If his right shoulder was injured, what was the reason he wasn't dominating with his left hand??? Does anybody this Freddie Roach Prepared Manny better then Robert G Prepared Maidana???
He DID! The Nevada commission denied him from taking "approved USADA medicine." Holla!


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

NSAC says they knew nothing of Manny's injury.
->http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/nsac-wasnt-told-of-pacquiaos-injured-shoulder-before-fight-says-rafael/


-Radam G :

He fought a pretty damn descent fight if he was injured. I cant judge on the injury because we the outside don't know for sure. Hope its true because IMO he didn't look like Manny and I hope the injury was the reason.
. It is true. But even if it is not. Da Manny got the softest, punkified, richest arse whuppin' of all time. The haters and posers got screwed any way that you size it up. Mockery just doesn't know when it is mocking itself. Hehe! Money May held on like a bytch falling off a bridge, and luv tapped like a lost puppy. Hehehe! OMG! He made Benny Boys look marvelous. Haha!
->http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/how-vegas--denied-manny-pacquiao-help-for-kobe-injury/. Holla!


-Radam G :

NSAC says they knew nothing of Manny's injury.
->http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/05/nsac-wasnt-told-of-pacquiaos-injured-shoulder-before-fight-says-rafael/
NASC has since changed that story. it has come up with a "you-didn't-tell-us-in-time," corrupted alibi. Holla!


-brownsugar :

If Manny P did have an "injury" why didn't he disclose it earlier??? If his right shoulder was injured, what was the reason he wasn't dominating with his left hand??? Does anybody this Freddie Roach Prepared Manny better then Robert G Prepared Maidana???
Welcome back Shadow. Great comments everyone. Floyd is an improvisational fighter. Which is why he doesn't study fighters by watching endless loops of video of his opponents performing their favorite moves over and over while he practices the counter in the mirror or with a mittman. Floyd's method of preparing for a fight is much more organic. Don't get me wrong....Mayweather always knows his opponents to the most intimate detail.. Sometimes the collected data has nothing to do with the physical capabilities of a fighter...but things involving the fighters psychological tendencies. Floyd is so well schooled in every aspect of the sport all he needs to do is pull out the corresponding tools necessary to complete the task. And although Manny is an outstanding fighter himself, he is limited because he's a pattern fighter. He is dependant upon his opponent fitting the template prescribed by Roach an his team. At best Pac could only hope to be prepared for 30%-40% percent of Floyd's continuously morphing offence using that antiquated form of conventional logic Trainers consistently try to pattern Mayweather Opponents against the last person who appeared to have had the most success against Mayweather. This time they borrowed the plan used by Garcia which was actually more effective because Maidana had the weight (165lbs)... stamina and temperment, and height to pull it off. Pac hasn't been a bell to bell pressure fighter since Floyd was an 88% KO artist. And the angles never came into play because like Marquez, Floyd kept Pac in front of him. Mayweather said he doesn't focus on his opponents weaknesses... He takes away their strengths. He pulls out the necessary tools, gets first blood, then slows down the pace enough to give his opponents hope. .....They follow him to the ropes and thrash about wildly as they give chase without effectively cutting off the ring. Like a master bass fisherman he changes up the distance, reels them in ...makes them fight...then slackens the line. ...although the action may be slowed down.... his opponents are physically and mentally weary three quarters of the way through the fight...reduced to desperate measures and seeking a knock out. Manny was never going to get through Floyd's guard with that wild and predictable left-right-left-right combination against the ropes. And he was never going to land the straight left consistently. Have you noticed Floyd never shows everything in every fight. He just uses the necessary tools to accomplish the task. Meanwhile pundits and Trainers make over reaching assessments based upon Floyd's strategy from his previous fight. He pulls out uppercuts against Cotton, body shots against Maidana and jabs against Pac. Pac tried diligently to walk Floyd into a KO but Floyd was too resilient and resourceful. " he's getting old, his legs are gone, he's ripe for the taking "...etc... Obviously this was not the case. Somehow Floyd was able to come out looking as fresh and well conditioned as he did against Canelo...except this time it was Manny who looked like a novice fighter in the last half of the fight. Truly there has never been a boxer who has possessed this level of talent. As far as the current generation of fighters is concerned ... Floyd mayweather is The Best Ever.


-Radam G :

The "theatre of unexpected" is corrupted to da core. There is always some scandalous syet floating around that those not in da loop of da poop never know. They only see the big show. Holla!


-Radam G :

The eyes-to-the-brains connection can be whacky as syet. How can someone not see that Money May didn't look close to TBE? Or his former self with the legs and hands. He was New Jack TBE and got the typical latent benefits from NSAC. He will alway be protected in Sin City. He could have fought at the "Cowboys' Palace in Dallas" for the first billion-dollar gate. Nearly a 100,000 fans would have showed up. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Hopefully pakio will produce medical proof of injury. That kind of shoulder tear is hard to fight with & throw any punches. So amazed @ how pacman could throw any shots. read here somewhere that a guy stormy gave a very accurate prediction. Wonder if he is the same guy storm I saw tearing up Danny green in a 10 round spar a few years back & just last week in Sydney giving good work 2 mundane. Sorry 2 blow ur cover a bit storm if i do have the same guy. I am a fan of yours tho if i do got it right & thst left hook is wicked. Looking fwd yo what u have2 say about maypac. Keep up the good work.


-brownsugar :

How do we get from Manny smiling and blowing kisses at the weigh...stirring up pinoy pride by pointing to the slogan on his T-shirt,... Thanking Floyd with a grin on his face Proclaiming to announcers that God was going to deliver Mayweather into his hands. Taking selfies with Roach on the way to the ring. Telling reporters that he thought he won the fight and took the last rounds off. To finally ...I hurt myself? Injury or no injury... Pac's got nothing for Mayweather.


-Radam G :

Mayweather beat Da Manny as much as Sugar Ray Leonard beat Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Flash and cash! And stayed away from a real fight breaking out like a bytch from a whiplash. Holla!


-stormcentre :

:) I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays ,or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing "any "punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3; 1) He was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could sustain and attack as he did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later :) ) and assume this is because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are a few issues with alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" ""plans"" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please above point 1 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight and take control. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar skills and qualities always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear he was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. It's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that claim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Not only did Pac not go all out and then - with Arum's help - attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst proceeding to make excuses that other significant authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, and in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. Even if he didn't grin at the weigh in as if he knew something of "confidence and successful forecast". Getting back to the donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after-fight claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability to donkey being a part of Pac's team. But then, this cat's junk science says if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pac and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was bad (but still - as nothing ever could be bad enough to . . . - to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight); which then, particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims' accuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity and detail, surely leaves us free and within our rights to consider the donkey's cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome chasing his lover on a burning bicycle. Or perhaps Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced properly and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . Floyd and we're going to KO him . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's injury. Which is also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an ""advantage"" . . whoops I mean ""steroid needle"" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that Pac was dominated and schooled by Floyd. Personally, I think champions and their supporters don't act like this after a loss. Finally, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are. Pac is not in Floyd's league. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running" - but Pac could not doing anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal dia
[QUOTE=Radam G;80940] From Sin City, I read you loud and clear. Hit , HIT and disappear! The offense will have its way. Down will go Money May. Holla! [/QUOTE] Donkey see donkey do. Sometimes a donkey doesn't know when it has made a clown out of itself with all its pre-MayPac comments; of which none (just as with those that it authored, which I highlighted pre-MayPac) were true, accurate, or anywhere near "the actuality of the reality" kind. :) I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays ,or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing "any "punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3; 1) He was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could sustain and attack as he did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later :) ) and assume this is because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are a few issues with alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" ""plans"" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please above point 1 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight and take control. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar skills and qualities always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear he was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. It's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that claim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Not only did Pac not go all out and then - with Arum's help - attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst proceeding to make excuses that other significant authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, and in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. Even if he didn't grin at the weigh in as if he knew something of "confidence and successful forecast". Getting back to the donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after-fight claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability to donkey being a part of Pac's team. But then, this cat's junk science says if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pac and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was bad (but still - as nothing ever could be bad enough to . . . - to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight); which then, particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims' accuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity and detail, surely leaves us free and within our rights to consider the donkey's cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome chasing his lover on a burning bicycle. Or perhaps Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced properly and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . Floyd and we're going to KO him . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's injury. Which is also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an ""advantage"" . . whoops I mean ""steroid needle"" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that Pac was dominated and schooled by Floyd. Personally, I think champions and their supporters don't act like this after a loss. Finally, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are. Pac is not in Floyd's league. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running" - but Pac could not doing anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal diarrhea and uncontrolled propaganda without so much as even checking their publicly announced and broadcasted back-up "I keep It Real" archives, and let their heart rule their head; despite having more than a year to consider all the tangibles. And, perhaps . just maybe . . also . Pac's loss is because Floyd is a champion, all time great and better boxer than Pac - one that Pac and many others were completely unable to stop from doing almost everything he wanted.


-deepwater2 :

Tbe fight it was not. It is hard to fight a man that wants to prevent a fight from breaking out . Did bayless warn Floyd for clinching ? I couldn't hear to well. Floyd has no right to say he is the best ever or say Ali only fought in one weight class as a put down . Ali fought the biggest and strongest with no weight limit. Floyd has one chance to earn the title of tbe. Fight triple g at no catch weight .


-deepwater2 :

That's funny , the group of guys at my table were from dc. And one of them was a southpaw


-the Roast :

I feel the need to boil this shoulder injury thing down to its essence. Manny failed to cut the ring off for whatever reason. Injury or not. Floyd did what Floyd always does. He boxed, he moved, he controlled time and distance. It was Manny that needed to adjust. I went to a Sports Bar and watched the fight. When it was over Manny said he thought he won. I drive home, turn on my TV, and Manny says his shoulder was hurt. Come on now. Flip the script and pretend that Floyd had been dominated, won two or three rounds at best and then claimed he thought he won the fight and then one hour later said his shoulder was injured. Fans would be crucifying Mayweather. Pac should have taken the high road. Give Floyd credit in the post fight and maybe a week or so later bring out the shoulder injury. It's very simple. Every time Pac got close he got cracked and Floyd slid out to Floyd's left. Eventually Pac was reluctant to try to get inside and he became content to remain outside and lose on points rather than get close and chance getting knocked out.


-Radam G :

The eyes-to-the-brains connection can be whacky as syet. How can someone not see that Money May didn't look close to TBE? Or his former self with the legs and hands. He was New Jack TBE and got the typical latent benefits from NSAC. He will alway be protected in Sin City. He could have fought at the "Cowboys' Palace in Dallas" for the first billion-dollar gate. Nearly a 100,000 fans would have showed up. Holla!
[QUOTE=deepwater2;81098]That's funny , the group of guys at my table were from dc. And one of them was a southpaw[/QUOTE] Hehehe! It is so odd how flash and talking trash can fool sight. I just rewatched the bout in my suite. And Money May again did not win the majority of the rounds. And the referee should have taken points off Money May for face rubbing the gloves and thumbing Da Manny. The scores and an opinion:
->http://philboxing.com/news/story-108190.html. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

Lets just assume the injury is real and that Pac will release information that will conclusively prove he has a rotator cuff injury (highly doubtful and the same as expecting MMMMG to tell the truth and/or admit Pac is not the champion he dreamed of); clearly the PacJuice(just before the fight even though it apparently happened days before)RequiringInjury was miniscule (prior to losing) as; 1) We had someone from Pac's Entourage here spraying us all with not just wildly overconfident and gloomy forecasts for Floyd - but also Donkey fluids; in direct conflict with anyone supporting - let alone being in the team of - Floyd's opponent that was about to hand him his first loss. 2) Roaches endless claims about how Floyd was leg-shot and going down, and also how Pac was at his best; are also in direct conflict with anyone supporting - let alone being in the team of - Floyd's opponent that was about to hand Floyd his first loss. Donkey see donkey do. Sometimes a donkey doesn't know when it has made a clown out of itself with all its pre-MayPac comments; of which none (just as with those that it authored, which I highlighted pre-MayPac) were true, accurate, or anywhere near "the actuality of the reality" kind. :) I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays ,or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing "any "punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3; 1) He was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could sustain and attack as he did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later :) ) and assume this is because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are a few issues with alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" ""plans"" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please above point 1 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight and take control. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar skills and qualities always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear he was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. It's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that claim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Not only did Pac not go all out and then - with Arum's help - attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst proceeding to make excuses that other significant authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, and in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. Even if he didn't grin at the weigh in as if he knew something of "confidence and successful forecast". Getting back to the donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after-fight claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability to donkey being a part of Pac's team. But then, this cat's junk science says if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pac and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was bad (but still - as nothing ever could be bad enough to . . . - to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight); which then, particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims' accuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity and detail, surely leaves us free and within our rights to consider the donkey's cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome chasing his lover on a burning bicycle. Or perhaps Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced properly and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . Floyd and we're going to KO him . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's injury. Which is also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an ""advantage"" . . whoops I mean ""steroid needle"" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that Pac was dominated and schooled by Floyd. Personally, I think champions and their supporters don't act like this after a loss. Finally, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are. Pac is not in Floyd's league. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running" - but Pac could not doing anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal diarrhea and uncontrolled propaganda without so much as even checking their publicly announced and broadcasted back-up "I keep It Real" archives, and let their heart rule their head; despite having more than a year to consider all the tangibles. And, perhaps . just maybe . . also . Pac's loss is because Floyd is a champion, all time great and better boxer than Pac - one that Pac and many others were completely unable to stop from doing almost everything he wanted.
. Piece of **** post if you ask me. To put PEDs in this sentence is pure effin stupid. Take the win and stfu. Plain and simple. All reports of PAC getting blood tested.and not one was mention of Floyd. So what does that tell you? As arrogant as you idol mofo.


-#1 PacFan :

If you cant then I won't MONEY TALKS bytches!!!!


-Radam G :

I feel the need to boil this shoulder injury thing down to its essence. Manny failed to cut the ring off for whatever reason. Injury or not. Floyd did what Floyd always does. He boxed, he moved, he controlled time and distance. It was Manny that needed to adjust. I went to a Sports Bar and watched the fight. When it was over Manny said he thought he won. I drive home, turn on my TV, and Manny says his shoulder was hurt. Come on now. Flip the script and pretend that Floyd had been dominated, won two or three rounds at best and then claimed he thought he won the fight and then one hour later said his shoulder was injured. Fans would be crucifying Mayweather. Pac should have taken the high road. Give Floyd credit in the post fight and maybe a week or so later bring out the shoulder injury. It's very simple. Every time Pac got close he got cracked and Floyd slid out to Floyd's left. Eventually Pac was reluctant to try to get inside and he became content to remain outside and lose on points rather than get close and chance getting knocked out.
Don't pull that one, tR! Back in da day, Marvelous Marvin Hagler thought that he won a similar fought bout against Sugar Ray Leonard. There is suppose to be points given for heavier shots and making-the-fight aggression. Only in New Jack pugilism do you get points for bullsyet-called "range-and-distance control." GTFOH with New Jack terminology from Paulie. OMFG! Holla!


-stormcentre :

. Piece of **** post if you ask me. To put PEDs in this sentence is pure effin stupid. Take the win and stfu. Plain and simple. All reports of PAC getting blood tested.and not one was mention of Floyd. So what does that tell you? As arrogant as you idol mofo.
The truth and facts hurt don't they, #1 PacQueen. Please don't wet the bed, as Donkey has to sleep there too. :) Here try these . .


-Radam G :

OMFG! Pundits and posers ought get out here with this pseudo technical New Jack bullsyet of getting points for controlling "range, distance and timing." This is from the Paulie's book of pugilism. GTFOH! You get points for rocking muthapuckas, not bytch touching 'em, and so-allegedly controlling 'em with "range, distance and timing. Paulie has BIG headism from being a talking head. And is now making up syet. I went to a 100,000-word Boxing Encyclopedia. And dat syet that Paulie has made up for being a Money May fanboy does not exist. Holla!


-stormcentre :

e me a hug. YUP! When my wifey is up in da hizouse and has spies all up in my grill. The monkey is on my 6 trying to halt me from getting up this hill. Holla!
[QUOTE=Radam G;80940] From Sin City, I read you loud and clear. Hit , HIT and disappear! The offense will have its way. Down will go Money May. Holla! [/QUOTE] Donkey see donkey do. Sometimes a donkey doesn't know when it has made a clown out of itself with all its pre-MayPac comments; of which none (just as with those that it authored, which I highlighted pre-MayPac) were true, accurate, or anywhere near "the actuality of the reality" kind. I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays, or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing any punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just when the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed and in poor condition. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3 that are, whilst unpopular, equally hard to disprove; 1) Pacquaio was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could not sustain and attack Floyd as he relentlessly did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later ) and assume this is all because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are still a few issues with alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" "plans" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please above point 1 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight, style, and take control; despite being 38, scared, chopping bad wood, swimming scared, not wanting to make the fight, and also possessing shot legs. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have a (running?) style that they believe is not crowd pleasing, train for it, adapt, succeed, and always rise and perform. Instead Pacquaio got mostly hit and owned. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar and/or better skills and qualities, always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear Pac was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. And also, no doubt due to the same reason many Floyd opponents stop coming forward as much as they normally do; getting punched cleanly in the head. I guess it's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO; which may also be another reason Pacquaio was unconfident in employing his usual game-plan for “runners”. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that PacClaim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Of course he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Not only did Pac not go all out in the fight itself, and then - with Arum's help - later at the post fight presser attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst also proceeding to make excuses that other significant (NSAC) authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, previous champions, and also his own in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. And that comment stands even if Pacquaio didn't grin at the weigh-in . . . remember that? Supposedly . . . as if he knew something of "confidence and a successful forecast". Pacquaio and Roach didn’t even stay around for Floyd’s speech; further looking like sure losers. Anyway, getting back to that all permeating donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after/anytime-bizarre-fight-claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability and/or benefit to being a part of Pac's Entourage and team. But then, this cat's junk science says . . . if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the supremely confident and gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pacquaio, and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then taking that “truth?” further, we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. How could an injury that is a reasonable excuse for a loss to Floyd not suppress such confidence and wildly hysterical and hypocritical claims emanating from his entourage? Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was actually bad (but still - as nothing {ever} could be bad enough to stop the galloping wild PacQueen claims - not bad enough to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight); which then - particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims; accuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity and detail - surely leaves us absolutely free and within our rights to consider the entire PacCultDonkeyMovement’s cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome and chasing a 5 gallon drum lover fleeing accountability on a stolen burning bicycle as he dreams of being a race care driver. Or perhaps - just maybe - Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic, would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are; dreaming that you only lose, and/or create, a boxing match when and if you fight the other guy’s fight. Probably the same people that loved Pernell Whitakker. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries (I have had 2 rotator cuff injuries by the way) - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced clearly, properly, and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims; of which almost (if not) 100% have been found to be thoroughly wrong. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . “Floyd’s lost now and we're going to KO him” . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's “steroid requiring but only just before the fight” injury. Could it be that they didn’t want to have anything in Pacquaio’s system during a heavy testing period; but the risk - just before the fight - if announced to the NSAC in a “shrewdly” amnner - was worth it? Getting back to the injury, which was also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when Pacquaio’s previous excuse for not making the MayPac fight earlier and taking PWD tests was because he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an "advantage" . . whoops I mean "steroid needle" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. It is very hard to abduct your shoulder and jab the way Manny did with a torn rotator cuff and/or similar shoulder injury. Yet, I saw Pacquaio do this throughout the fight; in those areas where Floyd’s excellent footwork (shot legs?) and control over distance wasn’t as good as it could otherwise be. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's ringside comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that he was in awe of Mayweather’s skills, and that Pac was totally dominated and schooled by Floyd. Strong words from a real tough and honest champion, for PacQueens to go against. Personally, I think champions and their supporters shouldn’t act like Pacquaio after a loss. Floyd often doesn’t commit fully to punches because of his hands; yet you rarely hear him saying that after the fight - unless it is the context of how Pacquaio conducted himself. Want to also say, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are; big up to Amayseng - seriously. Pac was and is not in Floyd's league. And that’s because Pacquaio can’t stop Floyd; doing what he wants, boxing his own style, and slowing the fight down so Mayweather can; study, analyse, and then pick guys off. Great champion swarmers and pressure fighters can deal with those tactics; but Pacquaio could not. I truly hope they do a rematch so it can be conclusively proven that Pacquaio is not as good as Floyd. Although I doubt it will stop PacQueens looking for a place to throw the ballet skirt, and making excuses. Styles make fights and boxing/fighting is a game of “rock”, “paper”, “scissors”. Floyd can be - if he wants to - “rock”, “paper”, or “scissors”; Pacquaio can only be one of the three. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and mostly forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and instead delude and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running". But Pac could not do that and/or anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it and the curse of 38; Donkey Logic. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal diarrhea and uncontrolled propaganda without so much as even checking their publicly announced and broadcasted back-up "I keep It Real" archives, only to instead let their heart rule their head; despite having more than a year to consider all the tangibles and using it only to aggressively ignore a mountain of information. Ostrich head in the sand anyone?

And, perhaps . . . just maybe . . also . the real reason for Pac's (relatively easy to predict) loss is because Floyd is one of the best champions around, and an all time great and better boxer than Pacquaio. A champion that not just Pacquaio (but also his Queens, his Entourage, and also many others) were completely unable to stop (or see that) Floyd was going to do almost everything he wanted with Pacquaio because Pacquaio was not as good as Floyd.


-stormcentre :

nd her sidekick gal are tying to give me a hug. YUP! When my wifey is up in da hizouse and has spies all up in my grill. The monkey is on my 6 trying to halt me from getting up this hill. Holla!
[QUOTE=Radam G;80940] From Sin City, I read you loud and clear. Hit , HIT and disappear! The offense will have its way. Down will go Money May. Holla! [/QUOTE] Donkey see donkey do. Sometimes a donkey doesn't know when it has made a clown out of itself with all its pre-MayPac comments; of which none (just as with those that it authored, which I highlighted pre-MayPac) were true, accurate, or anywhere near "the actuality of the reality" kind. I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays, or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing any punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just when the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed and in poor condition. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3 that are, whilst unpopular, equally hard to disprove; 1) Pacquaio was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could not sustain and attack Floyd as he relentlessly did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later :) ) and assume this is all because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are still a few issues with that Hee-Hawing alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" ""plans"" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please see above points 1 and 2 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight, style, and take control; despite being, 38, scared, chopping bad wood, swimming scared, not wanting to make the fight, and also possessing shot legs. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have a (running?) style that they believe is not crowd pleasing, train for it, adapt, succeed, and always rise and perform. Instead Pacquaio got mostly hit and owned. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar and/or better skills and qualities, always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear Pac was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. And also, no doubt due to the same reason many Floyd opponents stop coming forward as much as they normally do; getting punched cleanly in the head. I guess it's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO; which may also be another reason Pacquaio was unconfident in employing his usual game-plan for “runners”. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that PacClaim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Of course he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Not only did Pac not go all out in the fight itself, and then - with Arum's help - later at the post fight presser attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst also proceeding to make excuses that other significant (NSAC) authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, previous champions, and also his own in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. And that comment stands even if Pacquaio didn't grin at the weigh-in . . . remember that? Supposedly . . . as if he knew something of "confidence and a successful forecast". Pacquaio and Roach didn’t even stay around for Floyd’s speech; further looking like sure losers. Anyway, getting back to that all permeating donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after/anytime-bizarre-fight-claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability and/or benefit to being a part of Pac's Entourage and team. But then, this cat's junk science says . . . if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the supremely confident and gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pacquaio, and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then taking that “truth?” further, we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. Still that leaves the following PacQueenEntourage consideration . . . .
How could an injury that was known well before the MayPac fight and one that also is (considered to be) a reasonable excuse for a PacLoss to Floyd, not suppress such Floyd-Doomsday confidence and wildly hysterical and hypocritical claims emanating from his entourage? Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was actually bad (but still - as nothing {ever} could be bad enough to stop the galloping wild PacQueen claims - not bad enough to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight). But, then - and particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims; inaccuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity, and detail - surely leaves us absolutely free and within our rights to consider the entire PacCultDonkeyMovement’s cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome and chasing a 5 gallon drum lover fleeing accountability on a stolen burning bicycle as he dreams of being a race car driver. "(
Digression and note: big up to MMMMG and #1 PacQueen for being so Nunsubstantiated, TemperaMentallyPacJuiceQueened and wildly inconsistent, so as enabling us to be able to confidently write that paragraph - it took 30 mins as we all laughed too hard through its construction)." After all, then, if the PacInjury was really that bad - I mean bad enough to perform the function of statesman and main procrastinator for the (now) clearly established PacCultProactiveExcuseMovement (that
StormCentre himself first both forecasted and discovered, pre-MayPac); how utterly loopy, raving mad, and galloping wild were all the above-mentioned PacCult Mayweather-doomsday claims, then? Still that rationale that (also) coincides with fact and observation, then leaves the following strange PacQueenEntourage consideration and train of thought. . . .
After all, then that means that these PacCultHysteria guys still - like headless chickens - told the world that Pac was going to destroy Floyd; all with the knowledge that - as we are now (only after Pacquaio's loss) told - Pac could have never won due to a serious injury. Brilliant stuff PacCultProactiveExcuseMovement. This is the very reason I, in the fist instance, took up the role of
Social Avenger For MayPac Evenhandedness & Balance. As (even aside from the outrageously hilarious and widespread NunSubstantiation and also the absolute fear, shock and horror that was observed when it even remotely appeared that people MayPac have to explain themselves) I forecast this type of Hee-Hawing donkey magic thing - just as surely as I saw Floyd's domination over Pacquaio. Perhaps . . . . Just maybe . . . . Possibly . . Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic, would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are; dreaming that you only lose, and/or create, a boxing match when and if you fight the other guy’s fight. Probably the same people that loved Pernell Whitakker. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries (I have had 2 rotator cuff injuries by the way) - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced clearly, properly, and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims; of which almost (if not) 100% have been found to be thoroughly wrong. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . “Floyd’s lost now and we're going to KO him” . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's “steroid requiring but only just before the fight” injury. Could it be that they didn’t want to have anything in Pacquaio’s system during a heavy testing period; but the risk - just before the fight - if announced to the NSAC in a “shrewdly” amnner - was worth it? Getting back to the injury, which was also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when Pacquaio’s previous excuse for not making the MayPac fight earlier and taking PED tests was because he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an "advantage" . . whoops I mean "steroid needle" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. Moving on . . . It is very hard to abduct your shoulder and jab the way Manny did with a torn rotator cuff and/or similar shoulder injury. Yet, I saw Pacquaio do this throughout the fight; in those areas where Floyd’s excellent footwork (shot legs?) and control over distance wasn’t as good as it could otherwise be. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's ringside comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that he was in awe of Mayweather’s skills, and that Pac was totally dominated and schooled by Floyd. Strong words from a real tough and honest champion, for PacQueens to go against. Personally, I think champions and their supporters shouldn’t act like Pacquaio after a loss. Floyd often doesn’t commit fully to punches because of his hands; yet you rarely hear him saying that after the fight - unless it is the context of how Pacquaio conducted himself. Want to also say, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are; big up to Amayseng - seriously. Pac was and is not in Floyd's league. And that’s because Pacquaio can’t stop Floyd; doing what he wants, boxing his own style, and slowing the fight down so Mayweather can; study, analyse, and then pick guys off. Great champion swarmers and pressure fighters can deal with those tactics; but Pacquaio could not. I truly hope they do a rematch so it can be conclusively proven that Pacquaio is not as good as Floyd. Although I doubt it will stop PacQueens looking for a place to throw the ballet skirt, and making excuses. Styles make fights and boxing/fighting is a game of “rock”, “paper”, “scissors”. Floyd can be - if he wants to - “rock”, “paper”, or “scissors”; Pacquaio can only be one of the three. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and mostly forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and instead delude and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running". But Pac could not do that and/or anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it and the curse of 38; Donkey Logic. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal diarrhea and uncontrolled propaganda without so much as even checking their publicly announced and broadcasted back-up "I keep It Real" archives, only to instead let their heart rule their head; despite having more than a year to consider all the tangibles and using it only to aggressively ignore a mountain of information. Ostrich head in the sand anyone?

And, perhaps . . . just maybe . . also . the real reason for Pac's (relatively easy to predict) loss is because Floyd is one of the best champions around, and an all time great and better boxer than Pacquaio. A champion that not just Pacquaio (but also his Queens, his Entourage, and also many others) were completely unable to stop (or see that) Floyd was going to do almost everything he wanted with Pacquaio because Pacquaio was not as good as Floyd. Sorry #1 PacQueen

Here try some of these . . .

Cheers, Storm.
Social Avenger For MayPac Evenhandedness & Balance. Part-Time Freedom Fighter In Relation To; Freedom Of Speech, Da PacCultMovement, & The ProactivePacLossExcuseMakingMovement.


-#1 PacFan :

I have manned up a hole! As you see in one of my new threads that I gave Floyd credit for winning the fight. But its bytches like you that like to kick a man while the man is down. Never would have seen this coming from you.


-#1 PacFan :

Updated version of post #75 . . just for #1 PacQueen . . . Enjoy . . . the facts. And, please offer substantiation and proof of where I am wrong . . if you can. Oh, by the way . . despite how much I know you don't mean your comments and really do love me . . I loved your . . A) "
I didn't some last minute homework" thread
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20924-I-did-some-last-minute-homework B) "
I have 2 scenarios for Pac winning the fight and 1 for Floyd" thread.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20876-I-have-2-scenarios-for-Pac-winning-the-fight-and-1-for-Floyd So, in return, here's a few posts of mine . . . I know it's not a complete thread like yours . . but suck it and see what you get TemperaMentalPacqueen. .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20923-Final-Predictions-For-The-Latest-Fight-of-the-Century&p=80935&viewfull=1#post80935
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20876-I-have-2-scenarios-for-Pac-winning-the-fight-and-1-for-Floyd&p=80905&viewfull=1#post80905
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20876-I-have-2-scenarios-for-Pac-winning-the-fight-and-1-for-Floyd&p=80757&viewfull=1#post80757 Truth be told; I sucked some watermelon seeds and bathed in cherry juice to come up with those lucky forecasts. :) OK . . here goes . . Updated version of post #75 . . just for #1 PacQueen . . . Lets just assume the injury is real and that Pac will release information that will conclusively prove he has a rotator cuff injury (highly doubtful and the same as expecting MMMMG to tell the truth and/or admit Pac is not the champion he dreamed of); clearly the “PacJuice(just before the fight even though it apparently happened days before)RequiringInjury” was miniscule (prior to losing) because; 1) We had someone from Pac's Entourage right here in this forum spraying us all with not just wildly overconfident and gloomy forecasts for Floyd - but also Donkey fluids; in direct conflict with anyone supporting - let alone being in the team of - Floyd's opponent that could not possibly hand Floyd his first loss due to a torn rotator cuff injury. 2) Roaches endless claims about how Floyd was leg-shot, open to counters, vulnerable to Roaches' multi-layered battle-plans, can't handle the pressure they were going to bring, and going down KO style, and also how Pac was at his best; are also loudly (screaming in fact) in direct conflict with anyone supporting - let alone being in the team of - Floyd's dynamo Pinoy opponent that - we are now told - fought with one hand and therefore could not have possibly ever handed Floyd his first loss due to - so we are now told and as PacQueens are only to happy to believe (with the same speed, intensity and quantity that PacJuicePED evidence was previously ignored) - a torn rotator cuff injury . . . that had paperwork and circumstances associated with it that not only the NSAC effectively rejected - but also made it seem like we were HotTubTimeMachined back to when Pac wouldn't take a PED test when MayPac was originally proposed. Donkey see donkey do. Sometimes a donkey doesn't know when it has made a clown out of itself with all its pre-MayPac comments; of which none (just as with those that it authored, which I highlighted pre-MayPac) were true, accurate, or anywhere near "the actuality of the reality" kind. I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays, or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing any punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just when the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed and in poor condition. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3 that are, whilst unpopular, equally hard to disprove; 1) Pacquaio was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could not sustain and attack Floyd as he relentlessly did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later :) ) and assume this is all because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are still a few issues with that Hee-Hawing alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" "plans" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please above point 1 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight, style, and take control; despite being 38, scared, chopping bad wood, swimming scared, not wanting to make the fight, and also possessing shot legs. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have a (running?) style that they believe is not crowd pleasing, train for it, adapt, succeed, and always rise and perform. Instead Pacquaio got mostly hit and owned. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar and/or better skills and qualities, always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear Pac was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. And also, no doubt due to the same reason many Floyd opponents stop coming forward as much as they normally do; getting punched cleanly in the head. I guess it's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO; which may also be another reason Pacquaio was unconfident in employing his usual game-plan for “runners”. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that PacClaim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Of course he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Not only did Pac not go all out in the fight itself, and then - with Arum's help - later at the post fight presser attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst also proceeding to make excuses that other significant (NSAC) authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, previous champions, and also his own in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. And that comment stands even if Pacquaio didn't grin at the weigh-in . . . remember that? Supposedly . . . as if he knew something of "confidence and a successful forecast". Pacquaio and Roach didn’t even stay around for Floyd’s speech; further looking like sure losers. Anyway, getting back to that all permeating donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after/anytime-bizarre-fight-claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability and/or benefit to being a part of Pac's Entourage and team. But then, this cat's junk science says . . . if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the supremely confident and gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pacquaio, and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then taking that “truth?” further, we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. How could an injury that is a reasonable excuse for a loss to Floyd not suppress such confidence and wildly hysterical and hypocritical claims emanating from his entourage? Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was actually bad (but still - as nothing {ever} could be bad enough to stop the galloping wild PacQueen claims - not bad enough to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight); which then - particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims; accuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity and detail - surely leaves us absolutely free and within our rights to consider the entire PacCultDonkeyMovement’s cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome and chasing a 5 gallon drum lover fleeing accountability on a stolen burning bicycle as he dreams of being a race care driver. Or perhaps - just maybe - Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic, would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are; dreaming that you only lose, and/or create, a boxing match when and if you fight the other guy’s fight. Probably the same people that loved Pernell Whitakker. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries (I have had 2 rotator cuff injuries by the way) - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced clearly, properly, and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims; of which almost (if not) 100% have been found to be thoroughly wrong. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . “Floyd’s lost now and we're going to KO him” . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's “steroid requiring but only just before the fight” injury. Could it be that they didn’t want to have anything in Pacquaio’s system during a heavy testing period; but the risk - just before the fight - if announced to the NSAC in a “shrewdly” amnner - was worth it? Getting back to the injury, which was also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when Pacquaio’s previous excuse for not making the MayPac fight earlier and taking PWD tests was because he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an "advantage" . . whoops I mean "steroid needle" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. It is very hard to abduct your shoulder and jab the way Manny did with a torn rotator cuff and/or similar shoulder injury. Yet, I saw Pacquaio do this throughout the fight; in those areas where Floyd’s excellent footwork (shot legs?) and control over distance wasn’t as good as it could otherwise be. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's ringside comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that he was in awe of Mayweather’s skills, and that Pac was totally dominated and schooled by Floyd. Strong words from a real tough and honest champion, for PacQueens to go against. Personally, I think champions and their supporters shouldn’t act like Pacquaio after a loss. Floyd often doesn’t commit fully to punches because of his hands; yet you rarely hear him saying that after the fight - unless it is the context of how Pacquaio conducted himself. Want to also say, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are; big up to Amayseng - seriously. Pac was and is not in Floyd's league. And that’s because Pacquaio can’t stop Floyd; doing what he wants, boxing his own style, and slowing the fight down so Mayweather can; study, analyse, and then pick guys off. Great champion swarmers and pressure fighters can deal with those tactics; but Pacquaio could not. I truly hope they do a rematch so it can be conclusively proven that Pacquaio is not as good as Floyd. Although I doubt it will stop PacQueens looking for a place to throw the ballet skirt, and making excuses. Styles make fights and boxing/fighting is a game of “rock”, “paper”, “scissors”. Floyd can be - if he wants to - “rock”, “paper”, or “scissors”; Pacquaio can only be one of the three. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and mostly forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and instead delude and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running". But Pac could not do that and/or anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it and the curse of 38; Donkey Logic. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal diarrhea and uncontrolled propaganda without so much as even checking their publicly announced and broadcasted back-up "I keep It Real" archives, only to instead let their heart rule their head; despite having more than a year to consider all the tangibles and using it only to aggressively ignore a mountain of information. Ostrich head in the sand anyone?

And, perhaps . . . just maybe . . also . the real reason for Pac's (relatively easy to predict) loss is because Floyd is one of the best champions around, and an all time great and better boxer than Pacquaio. A champion that not just Pacquaio (but also his Queens, his Entourage, and also many others) were completely unable to stop (or see that) Floyd was going to do almost everything he wanted with Pacquaio because Pacquaio was not as good as Floyd. Sorry #1 PacQueen

Here try some of these . . .

Cheers, Storm.
Social Avenger For MayPac Evenhandedness & Balance. Part-Time Freedom Fighter In Relation To; Freedom Of Speech, Da PacCultMovement, & The ProactivePacLossExcuseMakingMovement.
Classless like his Butch *** idol.


-SouthPawFlo :

Honestly I think the "trainer of the year" Freddie Roach is partly the reason for Manny's Loss, he was soooooo convinced that Floyd's Legs were shot and he would spend a good amount of time on the ropes, and I have never seen Manny Controlled sooo easily with a Jab from the Outside... It's like Roach didn't prepare Manny for it... Against Algeri Manny countered the jab with ease and even landed some of his own... I was actually shocked that the Tasmanian Devil was barely getting off 40-50 punches a round, even tho I expected Floyd to Win I expected Manny to fight like a SouthPaw Version of Maidana but with better angles and Footwork... Other than Rounds 4 & 6 Pac didn't do much to keep Floyd against the Ropes and he Used the Same check left hook and escape to his left like he always does... Freddie R said they studied lots and lots of tape and I expected Manny to be able to make Floyd have to dig deeper into his Bag of Tricks to win but he basically controlled the fight with 3 punches, a jab, straight right hand & the check left hook... I don't think Manny's performance warrants a rematch, but if they have another scrap hopefully Roach comes with a better way to FORCE Floyd to fight the way Cotto, Castillo, Corley & Maidana did..


-Radam G :

Honestly I think the "trainer of the year" Freddie Roach is partly the reason for Manny's Loss, he was soooooo convinced that Floyd's Legs were shot and he would spend a good amount of time on the ropes, and I have never seen Manny Controlled sooo easily with a Jab from the Outside... It's like Roach didn't prepare Manny for it... Against Algeri Manny countered the jab with ease and even landed some of his own... I was actually shocked that the Tasmanian Devil was barely getting off 40-50 punches a round, even tho I expected Floyd to Win I expected Manny to fight like a SouthPaw Version of Maidana but with better angles and Footwork... Other than Rounds 4 & 6 Pac didn't do much to keep Floyd against the Ropes and he Used the Same check left hook and escape to his left like he always does... Freddie R said they studied lots and lots of tape and I expected Manny to be able to make Floyd have to dig deeper into his Bag of Tricks to win but he basically controlled the fight with 3 punches, a jab, straight right hand & the check left hook... I don't think Manny's performance warrants a rematch, but if they have another scrap hopefully Roach comes with a better way to FORCE Floyd to fight the way Cotto, Castillo, Corley & Maidana did..
Sorry, but Money May's legs are shot. He is on borrow time. He benefitted from a Pac injury. And he can still beat all the Welterweights, except "One Time," "Bud," Kell Brook and a healthy Da Manny. He will destroy two-faced Amir Khan, who might not beat Chris Algieri next. I best Money May fight C-Al in September if he beats Khan. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Classless like his Butch *** idol.
Please, then, show me - with facts and not uncontrolled emotional dysfunction - where I am wrong; so I can learn from you.


-#1 PacFan :

Please, then, show me - with facts and not uncontrolled emotional dysfunction - where I am wrong; so I can learn from you.

Read your own posts. That'll show you.


-Radam G :

Read your own posts. That'll show you.
He became a friend of B-Sug after B-Sug put it on him a while back. Holla at the archives in late 2013. Holla!


-Radam G :

Dude has really become a sick-arse troll. Maybe like Big Daddy, he lost his green-eyed girlfriend or his job or both. Holla!


-Radam G :

NSAC latest commissioner is no better than the last two f ups. It's amazing how that they try to lie.
->http://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/boxing/nevada-commission-questions-pacquiao-s-injury-claim. Holla!


-Chris L :

Shoulder or no shoulder; Floyds performance was so dominant doubt it would have made much difference. Think that's what's disappointing about the fight, we waited 5 years and he literally made it look easy, from the first minute of the first round the verdict was never really in doubt. Pac said he hurt it in the 3rd, can't even remember him landing a (relatively clean) punch until the 4th. I had Pac winning two rounds. One fighter beat another fighter 10 rounds to 2 in the 'fight of the century'. I can see how you could make an argument for Floyd winning 9-3, anything else is being far too generous to Pac.


-Radam G :

It is not worth a hill of beans to ________ ________. Even TSS saw it as a close scrap! Holla!


-brownsugar :

He became a friend of B-Sug after B-Sug put it on him a while back. Holla at the archives in late 2013. Holla!
I don't remember all that RG, but I do know both Storm and#1PacFan are good people at heart... They will eventually work out their differences.


-brownsugar :

Chris L 9-3 is what I had ... One round could have been even if you want to be generous. I agree Chris Floyd said he had injuries too. All full time athletes have aches and pains. Floyd was crying like a baby in his dressing room after beating Baldomir with a broken hand. He defended his junior lightweight title with two broken hands at one time. Floyd has had numerous other instances of fighting injured. he does different things to make his opponents waste energy as well as lure fighters in by making them think he's vulnerable. The principles, techniques and fundamentals he uses are tethered together in an organic fashion and can be used interchangeably... Other fighters can't train for Floyd by watching tape alone the have to equip themselves by raising their overall technique to a higher plateau. Floyd already has his doctorates degree. Pac is still in graduate school.


-Radam G :

I don't remember all that RG, but I do know both Storm and#1PacFan are good people at heart... They will eventually work out their differences.
Since I'm all for peace, instead of instigating and trolling, I will not pull it up. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Dude has really become a sick-arse troll. Maybe like Big Daddy, he lost his green-eyed girlfriend or his job or both. Holla!
Be careful how personalise this Madam, as not only have I not done that - but should you continue and not back down I may send that (very unnecessary, cutting, liable, and soliciting) email you sent me about BS; to him. Remember that? Then we would all get to see who's really on the straight and narrow here. Please also remember - as you (with no so much as an ounce of proof or substantiation) attempt to turn this into a racial and other matter in order to justify continuation of the same donkey magic - over here . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20961-2-Storm-Take-your-substantial-BS-and-stick-it-up-your-arse!&p=81112&viewfull=1#post81112 Over here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20865-MANNY-CAN-WIN-THIS-FIGHT&p=80726&viewfull=1#post80726 I gave you a chance to straighten up and cease being so hypocritical, extreme, and utterly inconsistent (which I think you may want to give a try sometime; rather than spending all your energy defending the right to embarrassingly continue as you are). Yet despite that offer, you clearly opted out of that and lost me a few dollars in the process, and as such one can only assume you're unable to stop writing cheques and other things that your azz and donkey logic cant cash.
Happy to hear how that is not the case. Over the course of the last few months and even the year (particularly with MayPac) you have released enough unsubstantiated, hypocritical, and Floyd-hating diatribe to not only sink a ship - but also to make you run for cover whenever anyone so much as thinks of getting you to explain. Nobody else around here except PacQueens mind thinking about what they write, being a little consistent, and even explaining. Yet you do. You initially and still now at times openly criticised my Algorithm thread, yet were unable to explain yourself whenever asked and also offered nothing in substitute; except Floyd hate. And for the most part I let it go, happy to have a friendly spar with you. But as soon as that happens it becomes obvious you both, can't keep up and can't stop resorting to claims that are obviously unfounded and un-defendable with real logic and not the "Snoop Doggy Dog" and "I'm an Acedamia" kind. :) No one is saying you can't have fun here, but over these last 6 months with your PacCultFloyd-hate (of which almost all has been shown to be untrue; offering insight as to why explaining is such a problem for you) you taken it to another level, and as such I just thought we all might like to see what happens when someone highlights what you do, the inconsistency, and also what your responses are when dealt with similarly; but, instead, with accuracy, consistency,and a few "please explain" requests. To date you have been unable to explain any of your thousands of incorrect and hating posts. Not one. Even Amayseng stepped up to the plate and ate crow over MayPac; not you. There is always an excuse. So, I thought I'd give the only 2 here that can sure talk big and curiously before a fight, but can't take a loss and/or any of their own medicine; a little bit of the truth and a wake up call.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20944-AND-STIIIIIL-Floyd-Bests-Manny-Via-UD12&p=81107&viewfull=1#post81107 Finally, for the record, I have received more than 15 personal messages and other emails the support my views and how I have provided a balance to your above actions and claims. Why don't you try thinking about what you post first, and not straying into fiction so regularly? People will still appreciate you. Plus, it's much easier, and then that way you don't have to worry if someone asks you to explain. Also, the truth is always the easiest to remember. Finally, Roach, Arum, and Pacman all knew the NSAC rules on injuries - they're all well known by all promoters; if not fighters and trainers. Pac had nothing for Floyd and Floyd - except for maybe 10 straight lefts from Pac and a few largely ineffective flurries from him also - did as he pleased with Manny; regardless of whether Floyd was scared or ran. Accept it and move on like a man.


-stormcentre :

Dude has really become a sick-arse troll. Maybe like Big Daddy, he lost his green-eyed girlfriend or his job or both. Holla!
Be careful how you personalise this Madam, as not only have I not done that - but should you continue and not back down I may send that (very unnecessary, cutting, liable, and soliciting) email you sent me about BS; to him. Remember that? Then we would all get to see who's really on the straight and narrow here. Please also remember - as you (with not so much as an ounce of proof or substantiation) attempt to turn this into a racial and other matter in order to justify continuation of the same donkey magic - over here . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20961-2-Storm-Take-your-substantial-BS-and-stick-it-up-your-arse!&p=81112&viewfull=1#post81112 Over here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20865-MANNY-CAN-WIN-THIS-FIGHT&p=80726&viewfull=1#post80726 I gave you a chance to straighten up and cease being so hypocritical, extreme, and utterly inconsistent (which I think you may want to give a try sometime; rather than spending all your energy defending the right to embarrassingly continue as you are). Yet despite that offer, you clearly opted out of that and lost me a few dollars in the process, and as such one can only assume you're unable to stop writing cheques and other things that your azz and donkey logic cant cash.
Happy to hear how that is not the case. Over the course of the last few months and even the year (particularly with MayPac) you have released enough unsubstantiated, hypocritical, and Floyd-hating diatribe to not only sink a ship - but also to make you run for cover whenever anyone so much as thinks of getting you to explain. Nobody else around here except PacQueens mind thinking about what they write, being a little consistent, and even explaining. Yet you do. You initially and still now at times openly criticised my Algorithm thread, yet were unable to explain yourself whenever asked and also offered nothing in substitute; except Floyd hate. And for the most part I let it go, happy to have a friendly spar with you. But as soon as that happens it becomes obvious you both, can't keep up and can't stop resorting to claims that are obviously unfounded and un-defendable with real logic and not the "Snoop Doggy Dog" and "I'm an Acedamia" kind. :) No one is saying you can't have fun here, but over these last 6 months with your PacCultFloyd-hate (of which almost all has been shown to be untrue; offering insight as to why explaining is such a problem for you) you taken it to another level, and as such I just thought we all might like to see what happens when someone highlights what you do, the inconsistency, and also what your responses are when dealt with similarly; but, instead, with accuracy, consistency,and a few "please explain" requests. To date you have been unable to explain any of your thousands of incorrect and hating posts. Not one. Even Amayseng stepped up to the plate and ate crow over MayPac; not you. There is always an excuse. So, I thought I'd give the only 2 here that can sure talk big and curiously before a fight, but can't take a loss and/or any of their own medicine; a little bit of the truth and a wake up call.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20944-AND-STIIIIIL-Floyd-Bests-Manny-Via-UD12&p=81107&viewfull=1#post81107 Finally, for the record, I have received more than 15 personal messages and other emails the support my views and how I have provided a balance to your above actions and claims. Why don't you try thinking about what you post first, and not straying into fiction so regularly? People will still appreciate you. Plus, it's much easier, and then that way you don't have to worry if someone asks you to explain. Also, the truth is always the easiest to remember. Finally, Roach, Arum, and Pacman all knew the NSAC rules on injuries - they're all well known by all promoters; if not fighters and trainers. Pac had nothing for Floyd and Floyd - except for maybe 10 straight lefts from Pac and a few largely ineffective flurries from him also - did as he pleased with Manny; regardless of whether Floyd was scared or ran. Accept it and move on like a man. :)


-Absy71 :

Probably not my place to say " being a new member n all", I have read this site for around 5 years, I have enjoyed the knowledge that is passed back n forth, ( beats any other site hands down ). Storm, I know , who you are in the real world, n I'm pretty sure , I know Radam's identity aswell, maybe the both of you should of formally announced your retirement, lol, believe me I have a lot of respect for both of you, You guys need to chillax , go to the pub n have a beer, chew the fat n have a good ole laugh. U too no1Pac. This site does not want to turn into east side boxing or those other crap sites, as Deep says, expand the tent. Peace out


-Radam G :

Chris L 9-3 is what I had ... One round could have been even if you want to be generous. I agree Chris Floyd said he had injuries too. All full time athletes have aches and pains. Floyd was crying like a baby in his dressing room after beating Baldomir with a broken hand. He defended his junior lightweight title with two broken hands at one time. Floyd has had numerous other instances of fighting injured. he does different things to make his opponents waste energy as well as lure fighters in by making them think he's vulnerable. The principles, techniques and fundamentals he uses are tethered together in an organic fashion and can be used interchangeably... Other fighters can't train for Floyd by watching tape alone the have to equip themselves by raising their overall technique to a higher plateau. Floyd already has his doctorates degree. Pac is still in graduate school.
I was old skool generous and saw the scrap 4-4-4. Da game is obviously New Jack nowadays. Pitty patting and bytch holding carry a lot of weight nowadays in Sin City. Lil Floyd would not be successful to that degree anywhere else. This is why he always scraps in Sin City. His arse will be chased out of Cali or Texas with dat. Holla!


-Radam G :

Probably not my place to say " being a new member n all", I have read this site for around 5 years, I have enjoyed the knowledge that is passed back n forth, ( beats any other site hands down ). Storm, I know , who you are in the real world, n I'm pretty sure , I know Radam's identity aswell, maybe the both of you should of formally announced your retirement, lol, believe me I have a lot of respect for both of you, You guys need to chillax , go to the pub n have a beer, chew the fat n have a good ole laugh. U too no1Pac. This site does not want to turn into east side boxing or those other crap sites, as Deep says, expand the tent. Peace out
It will never sink to Eastside Boxing. Hehe! Holla!


-stormcentre :

Probably not my place to say " being a new member n all", I have read this site for around 5 years, I have enjoyed the knowledge that is passed back n forth, ( beats any other site hands down ). Storm, I know , who you are in the real world, n I'm pretty sure , I know Radam's identity aswell, maybe the both of you should of formally announced your retirement, lol, believe me I have a lot of respect for both of you, You guys need to chillax , go to the pub n have a beer, chew the fat n have a good ole laugh. U too no1Pac. This site does not want to turn into east side boxing or those other crap sites, as Deep says, expand the tent. Peace out
As cliched as it sounds; I actually am chilled. Don't take the length or content of posts as an indication of my emotional state. Just telling it like it is. Some people talk rubbish; others talk the truth. We can approach this symptomatically, or by getting to the root cause. Don't bother me. Absy, happy to have you PM on my real identity. Cheers.


-Absy71 :

It will never sink to Eastside Boxing. Hehe! Holla!
Thank goodness lol


-Absy71 :

I know you are chilled. N telling it like it is, I'm posting from smart phone, trying to find out the personal message button lol, I'll work it out, cheers


-Radam G :

Now the powerful, highly creditable LA Times is firing shots. The NASC is just corrupted and partial to Money May period! It knew about Da Manny's injury from the jump. And set him up by making him believe that the medication would be fine. Then at the last moment, The cheats went political and cynical. The LA Times piece:
->http://latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mayweather-pacquiao-20150504-story.html. Holla!


-Radam G :

Para ang mga kakabayan ko'y. Mayroon nga mga video ng Manny tungkol sa niloloko NSAC sa kanya:
->http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/92044-pacquiao-disappointed-commission-shoulder. Holla!


-Absy71 :

As cliched as it sounds; I actually am chilled. Don't take the length or content of posts as an indication of my emotional state. Just telling it like it is. Some people talk rubbish; others talk the truth. We can approach this symptomatically, or by getting to the root cause. Don't bother me. Absy, happy to have you PM on my real identity. Cheers.
Storm, have tried to pm, your inbox is full, all good I'll try another time mate


-stormcentre :

I only cleaned that out a few days ago. As I said in my above post #100 I am getting a lot of messages/emails these days. Try again tomorrow. Cheers, Storm.


-Matthew :

This was clearly no "Fight of the Century" (that occurred on March 8, 1971). It wasn't even as entertaining as De La Hoya-Trinidad. I had hope that because both men have obviously slowed down a bit, this could be a good fight. That wasn't the case. Mayweather threw only one or two punches at a time and refused to take chances; Pacquiao couldn't let his hands go, other than a few spurts. He seemed to have no answers. Suffice to say, this was a rather dull fight. I scored it 115-113 for Mayweather. There were stretches when Mayweather did nothing, and those were the rounds that I scored for Pacquiao. I thought it was closer than Lederman and Farhood did, but that doesn't mean it was a good fight. I hope both fighters hang 'em up. On the bright side, at least we have Alvarez-Kirkland and Golovkin to look forward to.


-Matthew :

And the disclosure of Pacquiao's supposed right shoulder injury is disappointing. I didn't see anything in the fight to indicate that the shoulder was compromised; he missed wildly with both hands. Even if the injury is legitimate, don't make excuses!


-The Shadow :

This was clearly no "Fight of the Century" (that occurred on March 8, 1971). It wasn't even as entertaining as De La Hoya-Trinidad. I had hope that because both men have obviously slowed down a bit, this could be a good fight. That wasn't the case. Mayweather threw only one or two punches at a time and refused to take chances; Pacquiao couldn't let his hands go, other than a few spurts. He seemed to have no answers. Suffice to say, this was a rather dull fight. I scored it 115-113 for Mayweather. There were stretches when Mayweather did nothing, and those were the rounds that I scored for Pacquiao. I thought it was closer than Lederman and Farhood did, but that doesn't mean it was a good fight. I hope both fighters hang 'em up. On the bright side, at least we have Alvarez-Kirkland and Golovkin to look forward to.
Ali-Frazier was last century. This one is only about 15 years old so the bar isn't really that high yet, though it's had three monster PPV events in just eight years. I'm sure some other fight will come around and beat it eventually.


-The Shadow :

And the disclosure of Pacquiao's supposed right shoulder injury is disappointing. I didn't see anything in the fight to indicate that the shoulder was compromised; he missed wildly with both hands. Even if the injury is legitimate, don't make excuses!
Agreed! Fight week, all the talk was about how his killer instinct was back, how this was the best camp, how they were going to knock Mayweather out... Saying all that and then blaming an injury is just lame. Remember how much flack David Haye caught. (Freddie Roach gets far too many passes when he does scumbag sh*t.) There was no need to hype or sell the fight from that angle so I won't buy that argument, either. On a different note, I was actually pretty impressed by Manny Pacquiao, from a skill perspective, in how he offset things Mayweather was doing with feints, defense, adjustments, movement and more. On two occasions, I saw Mayweather attempt the EXACT same combination (1-1-hard step outside Manny's lead foot-overhand right) that Juan Manuel Marquez landed in Fight III (round 7) and IV (round 3) -- the combination that dropped him in the latter. And while he (mistakenly) reacted the same way the first time he still managed not to get tagged badly. The second time he evaded and actually made Mayweather miss wildly. (But then again, Marquez is a better combination puncher than Mayweather, in my opinion.) They obviously also drilled to death not to (over?) do his go-to move, the 1-1-2, as Mayweather would likely time him coming in. All in all, I saw a lot of variety, and he was able to take away a lot of Mayweather's weapons, namely the body attack. I also liked that even though he got tagged with a check on his first lunge, it didn't discourage him. At least not completely. They also clearly had a strategy to "steal the rounds," as Pacquiao would step on the gas every time the 10 second bell would ring, not unlike what Oscar De La Hoya attempted -- sometimes successfully -- in their 2007 encounter. Either way, like you said, I didn't see much evidence of an injury. Sure, it may have been there, and it probably hurt when he threw it, but if it was there, it probably got exasperated from swinging and missing wildly with right hooks as Mayweather pivoted out. It might be time for the Pacman to get a new team.


-The Good Doctor :

Ali-Frazier was last century. This one is only about 15 years old so the bar isn't really that high yet, though it's had three monster PPV events in just eight years.
I'm sure some other fight will come around and beat it eventually.
They always do. About very 15-20 years we get a massive fight. It is routine and dates back to the early 1900's. It is interesting too, how after everyone of those fights, you hear the rudimentary, "Where does boxing go from here" talk. No one knew that Pac and Floyd were going to be a superfight 15 years ago. Two people will come along eventually and there will be another massive extravaganza.


-Matthew :

I don't see any way that a fight comes along and eclipses the magnitude of the event that was the first Ali-Frazier fight. It was a different era, and boxing was in a much higher place in the mainstream's consciousness. Frazier and Ali were known worldwide, and they each had legitimate claims to the Heavyweight championship. That event actually exceeded expectations. Boxing, for reasons that we all know, has become a niche sport in the States over the past quarter century. I don't believe I will see another event like it in my lifetime.


-ultimoshogun :

Good reads, fellas. I was the only one at my friend's party who believed Floyd would win. I said it could be one for the ages or it could be a boxing lesson. Turned out to be the latter. Like most of Floyd's opponents, Team Pacman committed the cardinal sin and felt he could out box Floyd and had no plan B when they realized he couldn't. At some point I expected Roach to change up the game plan to a full court press, and pressure him from bell to bell like Maidana did in the first fight but surprisingly it never happened. It's good to see people giving Floyd credit instead of reading comments from the general public about how Floyd "ran" and "hugged" the entire fight.To borrow Mister Lee's quote...TSS RULES!!


-stormcentre :

Personally, I was surprised anyone ever thought Pac could ever outbox Floyd. Pac's one and only way to win was always to blast through and make Floyd fight for 3 minutes of every round; land the big shots and get to Floyd like that. Roach was never going to offer Manny any useful advice if he got into deep waters with Floyd. Even with Oscar, whom did better against Floyd than Pac, Roaches' advice was less than brilliant. The last time Roach offered meaningful advice to a fighter that had to turn a fight around was with Toney, and Pac is nowhere near as technically complete, multi-dimensional, and as willing (even if things don't look good) as James is. In fact, with the exception of technically complete and multi-dimensional, perhaps the same may apply to Floyd. James, although past his prime now, is one of the best modern day old skool boxers around; in my books.


-The Shadow :

Lets just assume the injury is real and that Pac will release information that will conclusively prove he has a rotator cuff injury (highly doubtful and the same as expecting MMMMG to tell the truth and/or admit Pac is not the champion he dreamed of); clearly the PacJuice(just before the fight even though it apparently happened days before)RequiringInjury was miniscule (prior to losing) as; 1) We had someone from Pac's Entourage here spraying us all with not just wildly overconfident and gloomy forecasts for Floyd - but also Donkey fluids; in direct conflict with anyone supporting - let alone being in the team of - Floyd's opponent that was about to hand him his first loss. 2) Roaches endless claims about how Floyd was leg-shot and going down, and also how Pac was at his best; are also in direct conflict with anyone supporting - let alone being in the team of - Floyd's opponent that was about to hand Floyd his first loss. Donkey see donkey do. Sometimes a donkey doesn't know when it has made a clown out of itself with all its pre-MayPac comments; of which none (just as with those that it authored, which I highlighted pre-MayPac) were true, accurate, or anywhere near "the actuality of the reality" kind. :) I am indeed looking forward to seeing those medical x-rays ,or any of all the other means of confirmation (that exist) to substantiate a rotator cuff injury (which by the way not only makes throwing "any "punch extremely hard - but {if the green light is given for an injection} provides a wonderful excuse for a PED and/or steroid shot . . . not just the injury was supposed to have happened . . but . . very curiously and via dodgy paperwork . . just before the MayPac fight . . which was when the same dodgy paperwork was said (by NSAC) to have been filed. Sounds like PacJuice anxiety and withdrawals to me. In my view, what we saw of Pac was close to his best; but Pac didn't perform his best (as PacFans and PacQueens perceive his bet to be) on Saturday night for many reasons. Here are 3; 1) He was tested throughout the lead up to MayPac, and as such he was not permitted to take any performance enhancing drugs. Notice how, even when Floyd was trapped on the ropes - despite the fact that Pac's punches mostly missed and were ineffective - Pac could sustain and attack as he did with Clottey and Margarito? 2) Pac had no catch-weight advantage. 3) Pac fought a guy that would not fight his fight - but instead, cleverly, boxed the boxing match/style that Floyd wanted (smart). Let's just blow a little hot air up the PacQueen's ballet skirt (tissues will come later :) ) and assume this is because Floyd "ran" (PacQueens step forward now and own that claim, so I can dissect the fight's video and expose the PacCultHypocrisyMovement in full light); there are a few issues with alibi; 3a) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd's legs were shot. 3b) Roach, Pac, and all the Queens told us over and over again that Floyd always run and that Pac's legs are not shot; so how come out of all the "A", "B" and "C" ""plans"" Roach had none of these even allowed Pac to come anywhere near cutting the ring off? Please above point 1 for some insight. 4) Pac (finally) fought a guy that could match his speed. 5) Pac and Roach - contrary to and conflicting with all Roaches' bizarre and wild claims (of which MMMMG has a strong similarity to) - had no plan "B", or any clue of what to do when Floyd started to fight/box his fight and take control. I tell you what . . . . in the lead up to the fight, including the last week . . . Pac sure trained hard and threw that right hand on the pads a lot for a guy nursing a shoulder injury. Great champions, when faced with other opponents that have similar skills and qualities always rise and perform. Pac did neither. Even when it was clear he was disheartened and outsmarted he could have thrown caution to the wind and gone all out. But he didn't; no doubt (as Floyd stated before the fight) remembering Marquez. It's one thing to have a public holiday for his loss to Floyd, but another entirely as a means to commemorate another ice cold KO. Not only did Pac not go all out (which I admit is hard when you don't have the stamina and confidence; as Pac clearly didn't), but then after the fight he continued to trick himself (as did some of his followers) that he won. Max Kellerman's utter surprise with that claim was priceless. Ringside throughout the fight Froch - a fighter whom knows - stated words to the effect; "Mayweather was brilliant" "Floyd totally dominated Pacquaio". "Floyd fought his fight, not Pac's" "Floyd was not even top gear . . Pac can't make him work". Not only did Pac not go all out and then - with Arum's help - attempt to deceive and mislead the public whilst proceeding to make excuses that other significant authorities - at best - did not completely agree with in terms of accuracy and consistency; but his behavior was - in the context of his prior claims, offered proof, and in-ring effort - disgraceful for a champion. Even if he didn't grin at the weigh in as if he knew something of "confidence and successful forecast". Getting back to the donkey logic for a second. Initially with all the conflicting always/pre/after-fight claims, donkey magic, and nonsense; I had thought there may be some reliability to donkey being a part of Pac's team. But then, this cat's junk science says if that was (really) the case; it's strange how we still had all the gloomy donkey-predictions for Floyd (right up to and just hours before the fight, and when all PacJuiceEntourage members would have surely been close to, if not around Pac and therefore aware of his terribly unlucky shoulder). So, then we have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was simply not bad enough to stifle both, the PacEntourage's donkey magic victory claims and forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were associated with them during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight. Of course, we also have the consideration that perhaps the so called loss-excuse injury (if real and as severe as claimed) was bad (but still - as nothing ever could be bad enough to . . . - to stifle the PacEntourage's donkey; magic victory claims, forecasts, and also the wave upon wave of galloping wild donkey claims that were released during the months/years preceding the MayPac fight); which then, particularly considering the aforementioned donkey claims' accuracy, hysteria, bias, quantity and detail, surely leaves us free and within our rights to consider the donkey's cumulative ability to think rationally past galloping wild through Rome chasing his lover on a burning bicycle. Or perhaps Pac's injury is either not there and/or of far less a decisive factor than magic, witchcraft, NunSubstantation, and also donkey-logic would have us all believe; so PacQueens can continue to continue as they are. Personally, until I see medical proof - which is as easy as pie to produce for real injuries - of the injury and also a decent explanation as to why it was not announced properly and earlier; I will have to assume that Pac's shoulder injury and/or its severity is about as genuine as Donkey and also Radam's pre/post MayPac claims. Same for Roach, what's with all the gloomy . . Floyd and we're going to KO him . . predictions? When - if as we are now told - Roach "knew" they (and MMMMG in the PacEntourage) wanted to stop the fight due to Pac's injury. Which is also - and this is the best bit - an injury that; A) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would have then possibly masked another agent. B) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar that would possibly also have provided a very good excuse for any other PED agent, if one was found. C) Needed a steroid injection and/or something similar; when he is afraid of needles. D) A steroid injection that was supposedly only needed - by way of how the related injury, and request for an ""advantage"" . . whoops I mean ""steroid needle"" and NSAC paperwork was populated and delivered - just prior to the fight, and not during the claimed/previous healing process; regardless of whether one was required after and/or before the fight. I mentioned above about Carl Froch's comments. Froch himself sat ringside, and stated that Pac was dominated and schooled by Floyd. Personally, I think champions and their supporters don't act like this after a loss. Finally, I appreciate all the Pac supporters that have eaten crow like the men they are. Pac is not in Floyd's league. Floyd - who was too scared to make the fight and had the shot legs and curse of 38 - schooled Pac and forced him to fight the way Floyd wants. It was Pac's (and Roaches) job to cut the ring off and stop Floyd doing that - whether or not you ignore how much Pac was slapped, closed down, dominated, schooled, and deceive yourself that Floyd was "running" - but Pac could not doing anything consistently effective. Both Pac and Roach knew Floyd's style was . . as they (let's give them and the PacQueens a little win here . . and . . ) say a "runner". Yet they were hopeless to do anything about it. And, maybe that's because a lot of PacQueens; got caught up in hysteria, some even continuously releasing their unique blend of verbal diarrhea and uncontrolled propaganda without so much as even checking their publicly announced and broadcasted back-up "I keep It Real" archives, and let their heart rule their head; despite having more than a year to consider all the tangibles. And, perhaps . just maybe . . also . Pac's loss is because Floyd is a champion, all time great and better boxer than Pac - one that Pac and many others were completely unable to stop from doing almost everything he wanted.
I think you pretty much covered it all here. Are the legs shot? Or is he a runner who refuses to engage? Crooked judges? Injury? Home cooking? They didn't allow an injection the day of the fight? Roach just threw a bunch of **** against the wall, hoping it would stick in the event of defeat, whichever way it would come. Because he knew was a defeat was the likely outcome. Everyone in that camp did. Especially Roach. Speaking of day-of-the-fight injections, isn't that why the fight was delayed for nearly six years -- because of fear of needles and refusing needles the day of? Isn't that ironic? I understand an injection is different than a blood test, but fear of needles is fear of needles. Of course that was never real. It's all a mirage. And it has been from Day 1. Ultimately, Storm, most voted with their hearts, not their heads. Because it was abundantly clear that Manny Pacquiao, as awesome a fighting machine as he is, as likable a guy as he is, as much as I absolutely adore the little guy, as many thrills as he gives people, when it comes to assessing them both as fighters, there was no way he was ever going to beat Mayweather. Not without the three points you mention; probably not with them either. He just didn't have the tools or the ability to go to Plan A, B, C and D -- which you need -- to truly offset Mayweather. Volume punching was an x-factor, yes. But he's shown his offense can be defused by movement and counters. The evidence was there in the first Morales fight. It was there in the first Marquez fight. The second. The third. The fourth, even. Even in the Bradley fights. All primitive movers compared to the supposedly shot, yet elusive target he faced Saturday. Also, when you no longer have superhuman endurance, and the ghosts of a vicious knockout lurk in the mind, it just was never going to happen. Of course, people wanted the shoulder roll not to work. But that's only 10% of his game, if that. (He showed he had one the most impregnable high guards in boxing, for instance.) Or that he struggles with southpaws. Even though stats will tell you he connects on more power shots against them than any other. I think you mention one sequence where he had him on the ropes and wailed away -- where Floyd showed his sublime high guard -- he had to be cognizant of a thing called "stamina" (who knew? 5-16-15), take his foot off the gas, retreat and not punch himself out. And in the end, Storm, I think you were proven right despite some vitriol sent in your direction. Kudos to you.


-Radam G :

Good reads, fellas. I was the only one at my friend's party who believed Floyd would win. I said it could be one for the ages or it could be a boxing lesson. Turned out to be the latter. Like most of Floyd's opponents, Team Pacman committed the cardinal sin and felt he could out box Floyd and had no plan B when they realized he couldn't. At some point I expected Roach to change up the game plan to a full court press, and pressure him from bell to bell like Maidana did in the first fight but surprisingly it never happened. It's good to see people giving Floyd credit instead of reading comments from the general public about how Floyd "ran" and "hugged" the entire fight.To borrow Mister Lee's quote...TSS RULES!!
Money May did the hugging part, but that is boksing. All is fair in love and war. I scored the scrap 116-116. "Roach" couldn't change jack. Da Manny could not put out for obvious reasons. And they are what they are. And Floyd could not have run if he wanted to! Holla!


-oubobcat :

My head was with Mayweather and heart with Pacquiao going into this event. I had a brother out in Vegas just prior to the fight week. He asked if I wanted to place a wager. I told him I couldn't do it. I wanted Pac to win bad but knew this was a tough fight for him for a variety of reasons. The smart money was with Mayweather but I really did not want him to win. So I was asked by some afterwards who can beat Floyd Mayweather? Let me take a step back. On this forum in the summer after Golovkin beat Geale, it was posted who could beat Golovkin. I think Golovkin is still underrated by the majority of fans and media and that he beats all the type fighters between 154 and 175. So who out of anyone could possibly beat him? I researched and came to the conclusion that the fighter with the best chance to beat him would be a slick southpaw with quick hands who could move. So I stated the one fighter I think could pose a threat to him was Willie Monroe. So how does this relate to Mayweather? Well again to answer the question who beats him is tough. I don't think anyone out boxes him. Pac was the only fighter available who could remotely match Mayweather's hand speed. And Mayweather never faced a fighter with as quick as hands. But still Pac couldn't touch him with a few exceptions for 12 rounds. It has to be a certain type of fighter. The only way in my opinion that someone beats Mayweather is to catch him with a punch he does not see coming. And Mayweather has a good chin so it has to be from someone with a massive punch. Keith Thurman is a big puncher but fighters are going the distance with him. Jan Zaveck, Leondro Bundru and Robert Guerrero all took him the distance recently. And he hit Diego Chaves and Jesus Soto Karass flush a lot in those bouts but each took him really deep in their respective fights. There is one fighter out there in my opinion with legitimate one punch ko power and that punch has carried at the highest level. He also has very underrated boxing skills and knows how to set up his power punches to land. As a matter of fact, is very good and very underrated at setting his punches up. And that fighter is Lucas Matthysse. Matthysse's allegiance to Golden Boy probably prevents the fight from realistically happening but he is the only fighter I think (and strictly because he can possibly land a debilitating punch that turns the course of the fight) could realistically stand any sort of shot to beat Floyd Mayweather.


-Pazuzu :

There is one fighter out there in my opinion with legitimate one punch ko power and that punch has carried at the highest level. He also has very underrated boxing skills and knows how to set up his power punches to land. As a matter of fact, is very good and very underrated at setting his punches up. And that fighter is Lucas Matthysse. Matthysse's allegiance to Golden Boy probably prevents the fight from realistically happening but he is the only fighter I think (and strictly because he can possibly land a debilitating punch that turns the course of the fight) could realistically stand any sort of shot to beat Floyd Mayweather.
One thing (out of many) that really impressed me in Matthysse v. Provodnikov was La Maquina's control of the distance and angles, even as Ruslan kept coming forward. Matthysse was always just at the right distance to land his big power shots, never allowed himself to get smothered; bang, bang, bang, then spin off and reset. Dangerous. That, and his jab landed like it was designed to break concrete. Matthysse's boxing skills are vastly underrated. A very dangerous fight for Mayweather, and I think he'd knock Pacquaio out cold.


-oubobcat :

One thing (out of many) that really impressed me in Matthysse v. Provodnikov was La Maquina's control of the distance and angles, even as Ruslan kept coming forward. Matthysse was always just at the right distance to land his big power shots, never allowed himself to get smothered; bang, bang, bang, then spin off and reset. Dangerous. That, and his jab landed like it was designed to break concrete. Matthysse's boxing skills are vastly underrated. A very dangerous fight for Mayweather, and I think he'd knock Pacquaio out cold.
Those are some really good points about Matthysse. He knows how to land his punches with maximum effect and does not allow himself to get smothered. He knows how to create range to land his power shots. And his use of footwork to create angles to land his punches flush also often gets overlooked but he is very good at doing just that. His jab too is impressive and almost a power punch in and of itself. Lets remember too Matthysse lost 3 times as a pro. Once to Zab Judah (I though Matthysse was robbed), once to Devon Alexander (again thought Matthysse was robbed) and to Danny Garcia. Before Matthysse's eye blew up in that Garcia fight, he was getting the best of Garcia.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

There is no need to get deep or scientific when breaking down the outcome of this mega fight. The bottom line is that Floyd is too skilled and has too much ring savvy for Manny. He knew how to employ his size and reach advantages as evident by his potent jab and ability to clinch and control Pacquiao when he attempted to flurry. It was beautiful to watch for the purest of the sport; the fans that love the sweet science. Floyd put on a boxing clinic, his footwork was beautiful. People that hate on Floyd's performance are either ignorant of the nuances of boxing or are flat out "haters."


-Pazuzu :

There is no need to get deep or scientific when breaking down the outcome of this mega fight. The bottom line is that Floyd is too skilled and has too much ring savvy for Manny. He knew how to employ his size and reach advantages as evident by his potent jab and ability to clinch and control Pacquiao when he attempted to flurry. It was beautiful to watch for the purest of the sport; the fans that love the sweet science. Floyd put on a boxing clinic, his footwork was beautiful. People that hate on Floyd's performance are either ignorant of the nuances of boxing or are flat out "haters."
Nailed it.


-SouthPawFlo :

As much as I wanna believe this shoulder injury, Manny Landed, Flurried & even stunned Floyd in Round 4, and that was supposedly after the injury got re-aggravated... And in Round 1, after the Smiles and Selfies it was Evident to me that Manny didn't have a chance to win a Decision, Floyd was Jabbing Firing the Right hand to let Manny Know that he won't be able to just Rush in without a price having to be paid... Bradley and Algeri couldn't earn Manny's respect enuff to keep him off of them, but after about 8-9 Right Hands, Manny Seemed to accept his fate.... Why no mention of the Shoulder in the Interview with Max?????


-The Shadow :

As much as I wanna believe this shoulder injury, Manny Landed, Flurried & even stunned Floyd in Round 4, and that was supposedly after the injury got re-aggravated... And in Round 1, after the Smiles and Selfies it was Evident to me that Manny didn't have a chance to win a Decision, Floyd was Jabbing Firing the Right hand to let Manny Know that he won't be able to just Rush in without a price having to be paid... Bradley and Algeri couldn't earn Manny's respect enuff to keep him off of them, but after about 8-9 Right Hands, Manny Seemed to accept his fate.... Why no mention of the Shoulder in the Interview with Max?????
He hadn't been briefed yet.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

As much as I wanna believe this shoulder injury, Manny Landed, Flurried & even stunned Floyd in Round 4, and that was supposedly after the injury got re-aggravated... And in Round 1, after the Smiles and Selfies it was Evident to me that Manny didn't have a chance to win a Decision, Floyd was Jabbing Firing the Right hand to let Manny Know that he won't be able to just Rush in without a price having to be paid... Bradley and Algeri couldn't earn Manny's respect enuff to keep him off of them, but after about 8-9 Right Hands, Manny Seemed to accept his fate.... Why no mention of the Shoulder in the Interview with Max?????
Manny: "I thought I won fight." Lol, that ishit was hilarious. Freddie Roach was also very quiet in the corner during the fight. I thought that Freddie was possibly ill the night of the fight.


-Froggy :

As much as I wanna believe this shoulder injury, Manny Landed, Flurried & even stunned Floyd in Round 4, and that was supposedly after the injury got re-aggravated... And in Round 1, after the Smiles and Selfies it was Evident to me that Manny didn't have a chance to win a Decision, Floyd was Jabbing Firing the Right hand to let Manny Know that he won't be able to just Rush in without a price having to be paid... Bradley and Algeri couldn't earn Manny's respect enuff to keep him off of them, but after about 8-9 Right Hands, Manny Seemed to accept his fate.... Why no mention of the Shoulder in the Interview with Max?????
I would think everybody would be saying "oh, now the excuse " !


-Yogo :

It's amazing what 'hating' on a sportsman can do to your brain. Iv'e never hated on a uberstar like i do Floyd. It's terrible really. I've watched him against so many natural born fighters and he stops them doing the only thing they do well. Nullifies em. I understood Iron Mike's rant because i'm a hater too and want to see him whupped. (Tyson in fine form!) Money's negative as hell but it may turn out to be the most successful style of all times. He's an absolute genius PS... I adore Lucas but Money schools him.


-stormcentre :

There is no need to get deep or scientific when breaking down the outcome of this mega fight. The bottom line is that Floyd is too skilled and has too much ring savvy for Manny. He knew how to employ his size and reach advantages as evident by his potent jab and ability to clinch and control Pacquiao when he attempted to flurry. It was beautiful to watch for the purest of the sport; the fans that love the sweet science. Floyd put on a boxing clinic, his footwork was beautiful. People that hate on Floyd's performance are either ignorant of the nuances of boxing or are flat out "haters."
Someone buy that man a beer.


-stormcentre :

My head was with Mayweather and heart with Pacquiao going into this event. I had a brother out in Vegas just prior to the fight week. He asked if I wanted to place a wager. I told him I couldn't do it. I wanted Pac to win bad but knew this was a tough fight for him for a variety of reasons. The smart money was with Mayweather but I really did not want him to win. So I was asked by some afterwards who can beat Floyd Mayweather? Let me take a step back. On this forum in the summer after Golovkin beat Geale, it was posted who could beat Golovkin. I think Golovkin is still underrated by the majority of fans and media and that he beats all the type fighters between 154 and 175. So who out of anyone could possibly beat him? I researched and came to the conclusion that the fighter with the best chance to beat him would be a slick southpaw with quick hands who could move. So I stated the one fighter I think could pose a threat to him was Willie Monroe. So how does this relate to Mayweather? Well again to answer the question who beats him is tough. I don't think anyone out boxes him. Pac was the only fighter available who could remotely match Mayweather's hand speed. And Mayweather never faced a fighter with as quick as hands. But still Pac couldn't touch him with a few exceptions for 12 rounds. It has to be a certain type of fighter. The only way in my opinion that someone beats Mayweather is to catch him with a punch he does not see coming. And Mayweather has a good chin so it has to be from someone with a massive punch. Keith Thurman is a big puncher but fighters are going the distance with him. Jan Zaveck, Leondro Bundru and Robert Guerrero all took him the distance recently. And he hit Diego Chaves and Jesus Soto Karass flush a lot in those bouts but each took him really deep in their respective fights. There is one fighter out there in my opinion with legitimate one punch ko power and that punch has carried at the highest level. He also has very underrated boxing skills and knows how to set up his power punches to land. As a matter of fact, is very good and very underrated at setting his punches up. And that fighter is Lucas Matthysse. Matthysse's allegiance to Golden Boy probably prevents the fight from realistically happening but he is the only fighter I think (and strictly because he can possibly land a debilitating punch that turns the course of the fight) could realistically stand any sort of shot to beat Floyd Mayweather.
OBC, I hope you're not suggesting that Lucas Matthysse (whom was beaten by Alexander, Garcia, and Judah, and in some ways taken to his limits by Provodkinov) would beat Floyd? Usually your posts are top notch, but I am both surprised with this one (if that's what your hinting at here) and prepared to hear the rationale behind it? Cheers.


-stormcentre :

I think you pretty much covered it all here. Are the legs shot? Or is he a runner who refuses to engage? Crooked judges? Injury? Home cooking? They didn't allow an injection the day of the fight? Roach just threw a bunch of **** against the wall, hoping it would stick in the event of defeat, whichever way it would come. Because he knew was a defeat was the likely outcome. Everyone in that camp did. Especially Roach. Speaking of day-of-the-fight injections, isn't that why the fight was delayed for nearly six years -- because of fear of needles and refusing needles the day of? Isn't that ironic? I understand an injection is different than a blood test, but fear of needles is fear of needles. Of course that was never real. It's all a mirage. And it has been from Day 1. Ultimately, Storm, most voted with their hearts, not their heads. Because it was abundantly clear that Manny Pacquiao, as awesome a fighting machine as he is, as likable a guy as he is, as much as I absolutely adore the little guy, as many thrills as he gives people, when it comes to assessing them both as fighters, there was no way he was ever going to beat Mayweather. Not without the three points you mention; probably not with them either. He just didn't have the tools or the ability to go to Plan A, B, C and D -- which you need -- to truly offset Mayweather. Volume punching was an x-factor, yes. But he's shown his offense can be defused by movement and counters. The evidence was there in the first Morales fight. It was there in the first Marquez fight. The second. The third. The fourth, even. Even in the Bradley fights. All primitive movers compared to the supposedly shot, yet elusive target he faced Saturday. Also, when you no longer have superhuman endurance, and the ghosts of a vicious knockout lurk in the mind, it just was never going to happen. Of course, people wanted the shoulder roll not to work. But that's only 10% of his game, if that. (He showed he had one the most impregnable high guards in boxing, for instance.) Or that he struggles with southpaws. Even though stats will tell you he connects on more power shots against them than any other. I think you mention one sequence where he had him on the ropes and wailed away -- where Floyd showed his sublime high guard -- he had to be cognizant of a thing called "stamina" (who knew? 5-16-15), take his foot off the gas, retreat and not punch himself out. And in the end, Storm, I think you were proven right despite some vitriol sent in your direction. Kudos to you.
Thanks Shadow. I missed this post before and skipped right over it. With this fight, I actually had the chance (and motivation :) ) to take a really good look at both guys, and I agree with pretty much all you have said. I don't always get the time to satisfy all my criteria before analysing fights, and as such don't usually like to commit to predictions when I can't do that. In this case, I was pretty sure what Pac had would never be enough. That's why I laid out a really distinctive prediction. It was never going to happen. Pac needs to read guys, outwork/time and sometimes counter them, and then set them up and move them into vulnerable positions. But (even without the balance and defence issues Pac had and Roach didn't correct) its hard to read Floyd and time him, and that's one chief reason why he slows the fight down. Floyd's defence allows him to do this with minimal danger. Actually Floyd's defence does quite a lot that people just don't see, understand or care for. It doesn't just block punches; but that's another story, and one that Roach doesn't get And therein lies the problem for Pac, as whilst Floyd has the fight slowed down, and Pac can't (within reason; to mount a good enough attach to walk in and land effective punches like he usually does to other guys) read him; Floyd has distance, timing, and a few other advantages on his side. Pac is such a lovely guy. Probably too easily misled and gentle enough to question some things, but then this in not the end of the world for him. For the record, and I can say this now since MayPac is all over and will not happen again; being an ex-pug myself and knowing how hard it is to move up and then retain 1 punch KO power, (even before Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed it {in previous links/videos I have provided}) I have always thought the way he carried his KO power up through the weights was suspicious. Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me also say that whether Pac juices or not doesn't mean he hasn't got great skills and is not a champion; as he has still operated at the top level for some time. Just not with conclusive KO power. I don't buy that Arum knew no better with respect to how he filled out the NSAC documents for Pac's injury, either. The entire timing, verbal only call for the injection, and all other aspects associated with it (including how the NSAC had a doctor look at Pac before they said "no") really stunk of "provide my guy with the best opportunity possible and then if it turns out that Pac is positive after the fight we have an excuse and we can treat Floyd as a sore loser". Roach knows what time it is. I previously - alone, here - put my stones on the line that Roach would not resolve Manny's technical deficiencies and not only didn't he - had no plan "B", "C", or whatever. Pac, in my view, should go to Virgil Hunter or another really good technical coach that also teaches defence. Oh, by the way I have been to Roaches gym and done rounds there, so I feel pretty cool with my words. Love Freddy, but it's time to look at what you're teaching too. Back to Pac. He is still is a tremendous champion. I think he is all twisted over it - there are a lot of controlling and other influences at this level. He should just forget playing the injury card because (aside from how it evens out with Floyd's shot legs :) ) and go back to the guy that allegedly lost to Bradley the first time. But, and this is just my personal opinion, Roach (as some here with wild claims and galloping predictions) blew the entire thing out of proportion with all the predictions. And with that came the additional pressure. Roach only ever talked like that because - in my opinion - he knew that this fight, especially against a master technician like Floyd that is not afraid to fight his fight regardless of what the crowd thinks, and particularly without a catchweight, without Ariza, without catching anyone coming off a loss, and all the other advantages Roach/Pac and many other fighters use; was going to be a really uphill climb. Roach knew that when Marquez was owned by Floyd. *Roach and Arum should have just treated Pac's injury professionally and served the NSAC and all other parties with the appropriate papers and proof. But that would have removed completely the opportunity for Pac to have an injection and loss excuse. Pac probably represents the biggest payday for Arum, Top Rank and Roach. I feel sorry for Manny, as I doubt he would have done anything other than what I *say Roach and Arum should have done with respect to treating Pac's injury professionally and serving the NSAC and all other parties with the appropriate papers and proof. The party is over now, as is the mysteria and hype over whom is best; that fuelled Top Rank for so long. As, no matter what the dedicated fans and insiders say and squabble about in terms of MayPac, the fact of the matter is that most fans don't know enough about the sport to care, and therefore they will just see Floyd as the easy successor. So, in terms of the really big marquee PacPaydays (that rode of the back of a possible and confirmed MayPac fight); the game is over. Given the legal, promotional, and other history between; 1) Floyd and Arum. 2) Floyd and Top Rank. 3) Floyd and Pac. 4) Floyd and Haymon. 5) Haymon and Top Rank. 6) Haymon and Arum. 7) Haymon and Oscar. 8) Oscar and Floyd. 9) Oscar and Top Rank. 10) Oscar and Arum. 11) Oscar and HBO and Showtime. 12 Floyd and HBO and Showtime. 13) Haymon and HBO and Showtime. 15) Arum and HBO and Showtime. 16) Top Rank and HBO and Showtime. 17) Floyd Senior and all above. 18) Roger Mayweather and all above. This has been a roller coaster ride of mammoth proportions. Finally, given all the above, Pac and Roach could have found better people (for Pac and Roach; not saying Floyd, Floyd Sr. and Roger are not nice guys) to lose to in the context of all that has happened and been said between them. It was nice to see Floyd Sr. give Manny a hug after the fight. Let it be known that I didn't care who won, but I always was confident that Floyd would. Let it be known that I really think Pac is cool, and that he should look at doing something with a different gym; if decides to stay on in the fight game. Let it be known that Floyd is a truly great fighter and one of the all time best, that is clearly fighting whilst he is uninterested in the sport anymore. Let it be known that I dare anyone to watch all Floyd's videos/fights and come away with the impression that Floyd is not a complete boxer and fighter; with mad skills. Let it be known that I dare anyone to watch all Pac's videos/fights and come away with the impression that he is not one of the best modern day fighters out there.


-Radam G :

There is no need to get deep or scientific when breaking down the outcome of this mega fight. The bottom line is that Floyd is too skilled and has too much ring savvy for Manny. He knew how to employ his size and reach advantages as evident by his potent jab and ability to clinch and control Pacquiao when he attempted to flurry. It was beautiful to watch for the purest of the sport; the fans that love the sweet science. Floyd put on a boxing clinic, his footwork was beautiful. People that hate on Floyd's performance are either ignorant of the nuances of boxing or are flat out "haters."
Call a spade a spade. The truth of the matter is that the corrupted NSAC interfered. Lil Floyd knows it. Holla!


-Radam G :

Manny: "I thought I won fight." Lol, that ishit was hilarious. Freddie Roach was also very quiet in the corner during the fight. I thought that Freddie was possibly ill the night of the fight.
I recalled Marvelous Marvin Hagler being mocked the same way in a close one with Sugar Ray Leonard. This fight was close. Haters and posers just cannot handle it. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Call a spade a spade. The truth of the matter is that the corrupted NSAC interfered. Lil Floyd knows it. Holla!
Hey, please don't forget about poor old me. :) I'm still waiting on your very 1st offer to answer/substantiate - not all the other 1000 cases you claimed you could pull up that prove and/or support your PacJuice@DaLastMinute stance - but just 1 case that proves and/or supports your PacJuice@DaLastMinute stance; over here. [QUOTE=Radam G;81237]
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20968-Shoulder-Statement-From-Pacquiao-and-Top-Rank&p=81237&viewfull=1#post81237 Once again, I could literally name a hundred to a thousand pugs who were on meds for a similar injuries. The NSAC pucked up. And is now blaming tws Koncz for wrongly filling out the papers. Holla. [/QUOTE] Please don't run away from your 1st offer and attempt at substantiating. I accept that offer over here . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20968-Shoulder-Statement-From-Pacquiao-and-Top-Rank&p=81240&viewfull=1#post81240 Where are you? I don't need 1000 examples - just one. Please. C'mon lets see if a spade is a spade. :)


-The Shadow :

I recalled Marvelous Marvin Hagler being mocked the same way in a close one with Sugar Ray Leonard. This fight was close. Haters and posers just cannot handle it. Holla!
It really wasn't, man. It was a 9-3, 10-2 type affair. Even though Pacquiao came prepared, Mayweather neutralized him and won the fight going away. It was a typical Mayweather fight. Pacquiao should go to 140, I think.


-oubobcat :

OBC, I hope you're not suggesting that Lucas Matthysse (whom was beaten by Alexander, Garcia, and Judah, and in some ways taken to his limits by Provodkinov) would beat Floyd? Usually your posts are top notch, but I am both surprised with this one (if that's what your hinting at here) and prepared to hear the rationale behind it? Cheers.
On those fights with Judah and Alexander, Matthysse won. Those were terrible decisions. What my post was about was of all the potential fights out there for Mayweather between 140 and 154, who could beat him. The only way I think he can be beaten is by a puncher. And a puncher who has legitimate one punch power and knows how to set up his power punches. And the one name I come up with is Matthysse who could (and I emphasize could) land that one punch to change the course of a fight. Am I saying if I am forecasting that matchup that Matthysse wins? No I am not. I am saying he has a chance though, better chance than say Pacquiao ever had and the best chance of anyone between 140 and 154 to spring the upset of Floyd. By the way, I said the same thing about Willie Monroe last summer being the only fighter I though could pose a threat due to his style to Golovkin. Again, not picking him but saying due to his style he had the best chance of anyone in my estimation (though still rightfully a big underdog) to upend Golovkin between 160 and 175.


-The Shadow :

Thanks Shadow. I missed this post before and skipped right over it. With this fight, I actually had the chance (and motivation :) ) to take a really good look at both guys, and I agree with pretty much all you have said. I don't always get the time to satisfy all my criteria before analysing fights, and as such don't usually like to commit to predictions when I can't do that. In this case, I was pretty sure what Pac had would never be enough. That's why I laid out a really distinctive prediction. It was never going to happen. Pac needs to read guys, outwork/time and sometimes counter them, and then set them up and move them into vulnerable positions. But (even without the balance and defence issues Pac had and Roach didn't correct) its hard to read Floyd and time him, and that's one chief reason why he slows the fight down. Floyd's defence allows him to do this with minimal danger. Actually Floyd's defence does quite a lot that people just don't see, understand or care for. It doesn't just block punches; but that's another story, and one that Roach doesn't get And therein lies the problem for Pac, as whilst Floyd has the fight slowed down, and Pac can't (within reason; to mount a good enough attach to walk in and land effective punches like he usually does to other guys) read him; Floyd has distance, timing, and a few other advantages on his side. Pac is such a lovely guy. Probably too easily misled and gentle enough to question some things, but then this in not the end of the world for him. For the record, and I can say this now since MayPac is all over and will not happen again; being an ex-pug myself and knowing how hard it is to move up and then retain 1 punch KO power, (even before Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed it {in previous links/videos I have provided}) I have always thought the way he carried his KO power up through the weights was suspicious. Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me also say that whether Pac juices or not doesn't mean he hasn't got great skills and is not a champion; as he has still operated at the top level for some time. Just not with conclusive KO power. ... Let it be known that I didn't care who won, but I always was confident that Floyd would. Let it be known that I really think Pac is cool, and that he should look at doing something with a different gym; if decides to stay on in the fight game. Let it be known that Floyd is a truly great fighter and one of the all time best, that is clearly fighting whilst he is uninterested in the sport anymore. Let it be known that I dare anyone to watch all Floyd's videos/fights and come away with the impression that Floyd is not a complete boxer and fighter; with mad skills. Let it be known that I dare anyone to watch all Pac's videos/fights and come away with the impression that he is not one of the best modern day fighters out there.
Well said. And some good, salient points. Only thing I would add to the absence of conclusive KO power is superhuman stamina and cartoonish punch resistance. I was actually thinking he might benefit from going to Virgil Hunter too. (I wondered why anyone would think that Mayweather would benefit from Bayless breaking them up. Pacquiao might be the most inept inside fighter at a world class level while Mayweather, arguably, is no worse than the 2nd best inside fighter in boxing. It's nonexistent.) Though he's an offensive dynamo, he could benefit from better decision making in the ring - as long as it doesn't compromise his unique talents. You mention a very, very important point, something that is very hard for "outsiders" to understand. Please share the implications of rising in weight, why power doesn't travel with you -- let alone increases -- and the mechanics surrounding this very topic.


-Radam G :

It really wasn't, man. It was a 9-3, 10-2 type affair. Even though Pacquiao came prepared, Mayweather neutralized him and won the fight going away. It was a typical Mayweather fight. Pacquiao should go to 140, I think.
Two judges did not think so. All is in the eyes of the be holders. That 10-2 judges was a fanboy. None of the fair-minded experts went for that nonsense. And no matter how you slice it, Da Manny got shafted by the corrupted NSAC. He didn't come prepared. A spade is a spade. There is no need to hide in the shade. It is what it is. Too bad that the spade was an injury that corrupted NSAC wanted to act a bytch about. It should have let the man take the medicine, danggit! It let thousands before him take it. Money Many won, plain and simple, with enhancement against a wounded warrior. And history is recording it that way. What any of us think, won't matter. Fans are fanatic and bias by nature. This is why you have the historians like Editor Mike, Teddy Atlas, the Commish and me. We don't have a problem with one of our own losing. And being truthful about da haps. If he lost, he lost! And if there were circumstances in, there were circumstances in. It doesn't take rocket science. It ain't that serious for people to be going off. In life, we all are going to lose life anyway. Death is going to kick all of our arses. But you have pundits going off about that -- thinking death is never coming their way. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

I'm still shocked that people are talking about this, I think if Manny was seriously hurt, his camp should put out a public apology for not taking the necessary steps to get him his "shot." Next for all the people who feel Pac Won more than 4 of the 12 rounds, please list the rounds you felt he won... The replay for the nation is This weekend, but I can watch the fight from a PPV record and I'll go back and watch it again to see if maybe I missed something... I personally thought 8-4 was really generous....


-Radam G :

I'm still shocked that people are talking about this, I think if Manny was seriously hurt, his camp should put out a public apology for not taking the necessary steps to get him his "shot." Next for all the people who feel Pac Won more than 4 of the 12 rounds, please list the rounds you felt he won... The replay for the nation is This weekend, but I can watch the fight from a PPV record and I'll go back and watch it again to see if maybe I missed something... I personally thought 8-4 was really generous....
Wow, my man! You are apparently in total self denial of reality. And you are electing to be in a snail media instead of the zoom flash speed of social media. Things are and were what they were. And though lawsuits are already happening against Da Manny, the NSAC are at fault. And my lawsuit is against it. Team Da Manny got a clearance from USADA to take medicine the night of the scrap, and the NSAC, which allowed USADA to be its surrogate, said no because of a mistake on a form by Da Manny's rep. Bottom line, the NSAC should have stepped to the side and shut da double fudge up. Now it is scrambling like a bytch to blame Da Manny to save its arse from these umpteen lawsuits with many fans and yours truly kicking off into their arses. BTW, you don't need to wait for the TV replay to see the scrap again. I can put it up for you now. I scored the scrap a 116 to 116 -- 4-4-4 -- draw. But I have no problem with a 8-4 or 7-5 Money May win. Ten to two and to nine to three is fanboy syet. Holla!


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

He hadn't been briefed yet.
Now that's funny!


-The Shadow :

Wow, my man! You are apparently in total self denial of reality. And you are electing to be in a snail media instead of the zoom flash speed of social media. Things are and were what they were. And though lawsuits are already happening against Da Manny, the NSAC are at fault. And my lawsuit is against it. Team Da Manny got a clearance from USADA to take medicine the night of the scrap, and the NSAC, which allowed USADA to be its surrogate, said no because of a mistake on a form by Da Manny's rep. Bottom line, the NSAC should have stepped to the side and shut da double fudge up. Now it is scrambling like a bytch to blame Da Manny to save its arse from these umpteen lawsuits with many fans and yours truly kicking off into their arses. BTW, you don't need to wait for the TV replay to see the scrap again. I can put it up for you now. I scored the scrap a 116 to 116 -- 4-4-4 -- draw. But I have no problem with a 8-4 or 7-5 Money May win. Ten to two and to nine to three is fanboy syet. Holla!
That's what Harold Lederman and Steve Farhood scored it, champ. I know it's boxing but they can't all be corrupt. Even though all judges scored R3 for Floyd, I personally thought it was a good round for Manny. He landed some sneaky right hooks in between shots, something I have seen very, very few people do. Most gave that round to Floyd, but I actually think Manny stole it with sneaky counter punching, building momentum that carried over to the 4th, which he took unanimously. From that point on, with the exception of a brief stretch in the 6th (where he threw the right hand with furious vengeance), he was literally neutralized in various beautiful ways, from a scientific standpoint. Once Floyd found the timing of the check hook, it was checkmate. There's not really much more to it. Whether he has one, two or three arms, he's never going to develop the ability and in-ring intelligence to adjust and execute a gameplan diverse enough to unseat Floyd Mayweather.


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Thanks Shadow. I missed this post before and skipped right over it. With this fight, I actually had the chance (and motivation :) ) to take a really good look at both guys, and I agree with pretty much all you have said. I don't always get the time to satisfy all my criteria before analysing fights, and as such don't usually like to commit to predictions when I can't do that. In this case, I was pretty sure what Pac had would never be enough. That's why I laid out a really distinctive prediction. It was never going to happen. Pac needs to read guys, outwork/time and sometimes counter them, and then set them up and move them into vulnerable positions. But (even without the balance and defence issues Pac had and Roach didn't correct) its hard to read Floyd and time him, and that's one chief reason why he slows the fight down. Floyd's defence allows him to do this with minimal danger. Actually Floyd's defence does quite a lot that people just don't see, understand or care for. It doesn't just block punches; but that's another story, and one that Roach doesn't get And therein lies the problem for Pac, as whilst Floyd has the fight slowed down, and Pac can't (within reason; to mount a good enough attach to walk in and land effective punches like he usually does to other guys) read him; Floyd has distance, timing, and a few other advantages on his side. Pac is such a lovely guy. Probably too easily misled and gentle enough to question some things, but then this in not the end of the world for him. For the record, and I can say this now since MayPac is all over and will not happen again; being an ex-pug myself and knowing how hard it is to move up and then retain 1 punch KO power, (even before Arum and Roach all but completely confirmed it {in previous links/videos I have provided}) I have always thought the way he carried his KO power up through the weights was suspicious. Now, before everyone jumps on me, let me also say that whether Pac juices or not doesn't mean he hasn't got great skills and is not a champion; as he has still operated at the top level for some time. Just not with conclusive KO power. I don't buy that Arum knew no better with respect to how he filled out the NSAC documents for Pac's injury, either. The entire timing, verbal only call for the injection, and all other aspects associated with it (including how the NSAC had a doctor look at Pac before they said "no") really stunk of "provide my guy with the best opportunity possible and then if it turns out that Pac is positive after the fight we have an excuse and we can treat Floyd as a sore loser". Roach knows what time it is. I previously - alone, here - put my stones on the line that Roach would not resolve Manny's technical deficiencies and not only didn't he - had no plan "B", "C", or whatever. Pac, in my view, should go to Virgil Hunter or another really good technical coach that also teaches defence. Oh, by the way I have been to Roaches gym and done rounds there, so I feel pretty cool with my words. Love Freddy, but it's time to look at what you're teaching too. Back to Pac. He is still is a tremendous champion. I think he is all twisted over it - there are a lot of controlling and other influences at this level. He should just forget playing the injury card because (aside from how it evens out with Floyd's shot legs :) ) and go back to the guy that allegedly lost to Bradley the first time. But, and this is just my personal opinion, Roach (as some here with wild claims and galloping predictions) blew the entire thing out of proportion with all the predictions. And with that came the additional pressure. Roach only ever talked like that because - in my opinion - he knew that this fight, especially against a master technician like Floyd that is not afraid to fight his fight regardless of what the crowd thinks, and particularly without a catchweight, without Ariza, without catching anyone coming off a loss, and all the other advantages Roach/Pac and many other fighters use; was going to be a really uphill climb. Roach knew that when Marquez was owned by Floyd. *Roach and Arum should have just treated Pac's injury professionally and served the NSAC and all other parties with the appropriate papers and proof. But that would have removed completely the opportunity for Pac to have an injection and loss excuse. Pac probably represents the biggest payday for Arum, Top Rank and Roach. I feel sorry for Manny, as I doubt he would have done anything other than what I *say Roach and Arum should have done with respect to treating Pac's injury professionally and serving the NSAC and all other parties with the appropriate papers and proof. The party is over now, as is the mysteria and hype over whom is best; that fuelled Top Rank for so long. As, no matter what the dedicated fans and insiders say and squabble about in terms of MayPac, the fact of the matter is that most fans don't know enough about the sport to care, and therefore they will just see Floyd as the easy successor. So, in terms of the really big marquee PacPaydays (that rode of the back of a possible and confirmed MayPac fight); the game is over. Given the legal, promotional, and other history between; 1) Floyd and Arum. 2) Floyd and Top Rank. 3) Floyd and Pac. 4) Floyd and Haymon. 5) Haymon and Top Rank. 6) Haymon and Arum. 7) Haymon and Oscar. 8) Oscar and Floyd. 9) Oscar and Top Rank. 10) Oscar and Arum. 11) Oscar and HBO and Showtime. 12 Floyd and HBO and Showtime. 13) Haymon and HBO and Showtime. 15) Arum and HBO and Showtime. 16) Top Rank and HBO and Showtime. 17) Floyd Senior and all above. 18) Roger Mayweather and all above. This has been a roller coaster ride of mammoth proportions. Finally, given all the above, Pac and Roach could have found better people (for Pac and Roach; not saying Floyd, Floyd Sr. and Roger are not nice guys) to lose to in the context of all that has happened and been said between them. It was nice to see Floyd Sr. give Manny a hug after the fight. Let it be known that I didn't care who won, but I always was confident that Floyd would. Let it be known that I really think Pac is cool, and that he should look at doing something with a different gym; if decides to stay on in the fight game. Let it be known that Floyd is a truly great fighter and one of the all time best, that is clearly fighting whilst he is uninterested in the sport anymore. Let it be known that I dare anyone to watch all Floyd's videos/fights and come away with the impression that Floyd is not a complete boxer and fighter; with mad skills. Let it be known that I dare anyone to watch all Pac's videos/fights and come away with the impression that he is not one of the best modern day fighters out there.
Great breakdown SC, but a lot of the Pacfans are oblivious to the truth! There is a reason why Arum didn't put MP with some real lions after the Marquez loss. Rios a guy who is slower than molasses and no defense. Bradley good skills, but my 3yo son hits harder than him going backward. Then Chris Algeri another butterfly punching but with far less skills than Bradley. Why fight these types of fighters there is no danger of MP being touched hard by any of those guy's and gives the false pretense he was back! But MP is not back he no longer has the gamma rays to turn him into Pacquez and walked through minefields or deliver punches like a faster George Foreman. Well those days are over! Since drug testing has been taking place no more devastating ko's or super human stamina! What we have now is a little fighter who looked lost against FM without his gamma rays.


-brownsugar :

Right!!!


-Radam G :

A debate for the ages:
->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=jWEHo0wOwpE. Holla!


-Radam G :

That's what Harold Lederman and Steve Farhood scored it, champ. I know it's boxing but they can't all be corrupt. Even though all judges scored R3 for Floyd, I personally thought it was a good round for Manny. He landed some sneaky right hooks in between shots, something I have seen very, very few people do. Most gave that round to Floyd, but I actually think Manny stole it with sneaky counter punching, building momentum that carried over to the 4th, which he took unanimously. From that point on, with the exception of a brief stretch in the 6th (where he threw the right hand with furious vengeance), he was literally neutralized in various beautiful ways, from a scientific standpoint. Once Floyd found the timing of the check hook, it was checkmate. There's not really much more to it. Whether he has one, two or three arms, he's never going to develop the ability and in-ring intelligence to adjust and execute a gameplan diverse enough to unseat Floyd Mayweather.
Steve Farhood has never been a boxer or judge. He is always wide on his for his favorite choice. Harold Lederman is good. But has off nights. Lil Floyd has already said that he will fight the best Manny in a year. He fought a wounded warrior, plain and simple. And he has manned up. Holla!


-Radam G :

Fighters fight! Writers write. Bullsyetters bullsyet! The Rahman brothers are coming after Money May for a $100mil or so. One of Money May's babies' mommas has just filed a lawsuit for $20mil. money May's ex girlfriend Ms Jackson is after him for a few mils. It seems like he will not be retiring soon after all. Money May will continue to scrap. Holla!


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Steve Farhood has never been a boxer or judge. He is always wide on his for his favorite choice. Harold Lederman is good. But has off nights. Lil Floyd has already said that he will fight the best Manny in a year. He fought a wounded warrior, plain and simple. And he has manned up. Holla!
If he fights floyd again you better go find Victor Conte. Holla


-Radam G :

If he fights floyd again you better go find Victor Conte. Holla
That syet doesn't work. Victor Conte will not waste his time giving it to a pug. Holla!


-Radam G :

Fighters fight! Writers write. Bullsyetters bullsyet! The Rahman brothers are coming after Money May for a $100mil or so. One of Money May's babies' mommas has just filed a lawsuit for $20mil. money May's ex girlfriend Ms Jackson is after him for a few mils. It seems like he will not be retiring soon after all. Money May will continue to scrap. Holla!
This wounded chick will not stay off Money May's 6. And some angry fans are all up on Da Manny's 6:
->www.mlive.com/mayweather/2015/05/floyd_mayweather_sued_by_josie.html. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

The fight was garbage and you don't have to be on the inside to know it. Even the Mayweather fans booed the fight where I was. Floyd prevented a fight and PAC couldn't force a fight to break out even though he tried. No major paper is but hurt or whatever vulgar term you want to use. But every paper ripped the fight. Are the fanboys suggesting PAC was on drugs in the past and can't knockout boxers anymore? Ok let's take that as truth, it was under Ariza's training. Therefore Mayweather was on drugs for this fight since he had Ariza training him. This sums it up
->http://youtu.be/pCVhyrgWSBY


-deepwater2 :

Today's press Mayweather-Pacquiao Fight: "Fraud Of The Century" - Forbes
->http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/news/axl-rose-is-mad-about-mayweather-pacquiao-demands-free-match-20150504
->http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/mayweather-pacquiao-compete-waste-of-time-money-boxing-is-dead- If you paid $100 for Mayweather-Pacquiao, you're a chump Mayweather-Pacquiao was a complete waste of time and money USA TODAY‎ - Boxing is dead and Mayweather-Pacquiao killed it. Never again will people shell out $100 to ... Mayweather V Pacquiao: Cambodia PM refuses to pay after losing ...
->www.cnbc.com/id/102649001 15 hours ago - Passionate about Pacquiao, Hun Sen, the Prime Minister of Cambodia, is now refusing to pay up on a $5,000 bet he made, believing the fight wasn't judged ...
->http://deadspin.com/beating-victim-sues-floyd-mayweather-over-katie-couric-1702341913 Boxing Is Dead, And All You Posers Killed It: A Reflection On ... - Yes, boxing is dead because you posers talk about Mayweather like he's “the best ever” or a “really great fighter” when, in reality, he's never ... No boxing fan should be happy.


-stormcentre :

Fighters fight! Writers write. Bullsyetters bullsyet! The Rahman brothers are coming after Money May for a $100mil or so. One of Money May's babies' mommas has just filed a lawsuit for $20mil. money May's ex girlfriend Ms Jackson is after him for a few mils. It seems like he will not be retiring soon after all. Money May will continue to scrap. Holla!
What has that FloydHate got to do with the fight?


-stormcentre :

The fight was garbage and you don't have to be on the inside to know it. Even the Mayweather fans booed the fight where I was. Floyd prevented a fight and PAC couldn't force a fight to break out even though he tried. No major paper is but hurt or whatever vulgar term you want to use. But every paper ripped the fight. Are the fanboys suggesting PAC was on drugs in the past and can't knockout boxers anymore? Ok let's take that as truth, it was under Ariza's training. Therefore Mayweather was on drugs for this fight since he had Ariza training him. This sums it up
->http://youtu.be/pCVhyrgWSBY
I agree that is was far from an action packed fight. But Floyd got the win, Pac could not stop him, and that's what Floyd does and everyone knows it. I bet your Vegas weekend was a blast? Was it?


-stormcentre :

Great breakdown SC, but a lot of the Pacfans are oblivious to the truth! There is a reason why Arum didn't put MP with some real lions after the Marquez loss. Rios a guy who is slower than molasses and no defense. Bradley good skills, but my 3yo son hits harder than him going backward. Then Chris Algeri another butterfly punching but with far less skills than Bradley. Why fight these types of fighters there is no danger of MP being touched hard by any of those guy's and gives the false pretense he was back! But MP is not back he no longer has the gamma rays to turn him into Pacquez and walked through minefields or deliver punches like a faster George Foreman. Well those days are over! Since drug testing has been taking place no more devastating ko's or super human stamina! What we have now is a little fighter who looked lost against FM without his gamma rays.
Thanks HNSTHC. Hard to agree with most you have said there.


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

The fight was garbage and you don't have to be on the inside to know it. Even the Mayweather fans booed the fight where I was. Floyd prevented a fight and PAC couldn't force a fight to break out even though he tried. No major paper is but hurt or whatever vulgar term you want to use. But every paper ripped the fight. Are the fanboys suggesting PAC was on drugs in the past and can't knockout boxers anymore? Ok let's take that as truth, it was under Ariza's training. Therefore Mayweather was on drugs for this fight since he had Ariza training him. This sums it up
->http://youtu.be/pCVhyrgWSBY
Hey dw, it's the truth point blank period. Just look at facts.


-stormcentre :

Wow, my man! You are apparently in total self denial of reality. And you are electing to be in a snail media instead of the zoom flash speed of social media. Things are and were what they were. And though lawsuits are already happening against Da Manny, the NSAC are at fault. And my lawsuit is against it. Team Da Manny got a clearance from USADA to take medicine the night of the scrap, and the NSAC, which allowed USADA to be its surrogate, said no because of a mistake on a form by Da Manny's rep. Bottom line, the NSAC should have stepped to the side and shut da double fudge up. Now it is scrambling like a bytch to blame Da Manny to save its arse from these umpteen lawsuits with many fans and yours truly kicking off into their arses. BTW, you don't need to wait for the TV replay to see the scrap again. I can put it up for you now. I scored the scrap a 116 to 116 -- 4-4-4 -- draw. But I have no problem with a 8-4 or 7-5 Money May win. Ten to two and to nine to three is fanboy syet. Holla!
I am unsure whether the paperwork (if any) related to what USADA were told by Arum, was passed onto the NSAC. Here are a few considerations for you. 1) There is good reason to bet there is no completed Arum >> USADA paperwork. 2) There is good reason to bet, that if above point 1 is wrong then, there is no accurately completed Arum >> USADA paperwork. 3) There is good reason to bet there is no completed USADA >> NSAC paperwork. 4) There is good reason to bet, that if above point 3 is wrong then, there is no accurately and/or appropriately completed USADA >> NSAC paperwork. 5) USADA have no authority of the NSAC protocols and procedures. 6) USADA can't guarantee what it is that PacTeam will obtain, provide, and inject; all they can do is test and advise on what is an appropriate substance; based on agreements. 7) To date it appears that no-one knows what and when USADA were told. 8) All the above, plus post fight test results, appear unknown. If you, MMMMG, can shed light on the above with facts and without reminding us that Floyd has several writs against him, that would be refreshing. In the meantime; A) My money feels safe on the fact that the NSAC did their job properly. B) Here's something for you have a little study on.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20968-Shoulder-Statement-From-Pacquiao-and-Top-Rank&p=81320&viewfull=1#post81320 :)


-The Shadow :

Today's press Mayweather-Pacquiao Fight: "Fraud Of The Century" - Forbes
->http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/news/axl-rose-is-mad-about-mayweather-pacquiao-demands-free-match-20150504
->http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/mayweather-pacquiao-compete-waste-of-time-money-boxing-is-dead- If you paid $100 for Mayweather-Pacquiao, you're a chump Mayweather-Pacquiao was a complete waste of time and money USA TODAY‎ - Boxing is dead and Mayweather-Pacquiao killed it. Never again will people shell out $100 to ... Mayweather V Pacquiao: Cambodia PM refuses to pay after losing ...
->www.cnbc.com/id/102649001 15 hours ago - Passionate about Pacquiao, Hun Sen, the Prime Minister of Cambodia, is now refusing to pay up on a $5,000 bet he made, believing the fight wasn't judged ...
->http://deadspin.com/beating-victim-sues-floyd-mayweather-over-katie-couric-1702341913 Boxing Is Dead, And All You Posers Killed It: A Reflection On ... - Yes, boxing is dead because you posers talk about Mayweather like he's ?the best ever? or a ?really great fighter? when, in reality, he's never ... No boxing fan should be happy.
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-The Shadow :

I agree that is was far from an action packed fight. But Floyd got the win, Pac could not stop him, and that's what Floyd does and everyone knows it. I bet your Vegas weekend was a blast? Was it?
Guess what, Storm. If people indeed are unhappy, the blame falls SQUARELY on one man and one man only: Manny Pacquiao. No matter which way you look at it, if you're upset about this fight, Pacquiao's the only to blame -- simply because Floyd Mayweather did what Floyd Mayweather does. The Pacquiao side made all the apocalyptic predictions about being able to penetrate the defense easily, blasting him out, punching harder than ever, killer instinct back... Mayweather didn't do that. He didn't promise any fireworks. He didn't promise a knockout. Shoot, he didn't say anything but stating that "training camp has went (sic) tremendous" and that he was going to be "smart," which he was. Let's be real, people paid to see Pacquiao do to Mayweather what he had done to others. Instead, it was just another Mayweather fight. And that's what people are "really" disappointed in; the fact that Manny Pacquiao was unable to change that. Can't blame Mayweather for not allowing that to happen. Mayweather outthrew him, outlanded him, outsmarted him and outboxed him. That's what Mayweather does. And people knew that going in. They decided to buy a Mayweather fight. Don't be upset that that was what you ended up with? The more I think about the complaints, the stranger the logic appears. It's almost like playing the lotto and then asking for a refund because you didn't win. Oh, and if people want to point to the injury, then once again, Mayweather is not to blame for that, either. If this fight supposedly "killed" boxing, the accountability should go in one direction. It's that simple.


-oubobcat :

Guess what, Storm. If people indeed are unhappy, the blame falls SQUARELY on one man and one man only: Manny Pacquiao. No matter which way you look at it, if you're upset about this fight, Pacquiao's the only to blame -- simply because Floyd Mayweather did what Floyd Mayweather does. The Pacquiao side made all the apocalyptic predictions about being able to penetrate the defense easily, blasting him out, punching harder than ever, killer instinct back... Mayweather didn't do that. He didn't promise any fireworks. He didn't promise a knockout. Shoot, he didn't say anything but stating that "training camp has went (sic) tremendous" and that he wasn't going to be "smart," which he was. Let's be real, people paid to see Pacquiao do to Mayweather what he had done to others. Instead, it was just another Mayweather fight. And that's what people are "really" disappointed in; the fact that Manny Pacquiao was unable to change that. Can't blame Mayweather for not allowing that to happen. Mayweather outthrew him, outlanded him, outsmarted him and outboxed him. That's what Mayweather does. And people knew that going in. They decided to buy a Mayweather fight. Don't be upset that that was what you ended up with? The more I think about the complaints, the stranger the logic appears. It's almost like playing the lotto and then asking for a refund because you didn't win. Oh, and if people want to point to the injury, then once again, Mayweather is not to blame for that, either. If this fight supposedly "killed" boxing, the accountability should go in one direction. It's that simple.
A friend of mine called me last week regarding this fight and whether to buy it or not. I told him honestly it's going to be a tactical fight. Mayweather is the best defensive fighter and best counterpuncher we have in this sport in a long time. He fights one style that is very successful and won't change. He wins fighting that style. I went on to tell him if you buy the fight thinking you are going to see a fight from Rocky IV, you are badly mistaken. He called me yesterday to thank me for the advice as he did not end up buying. And then he asked me if I enjoyed the fight. My answer...yes. I knew what I was buying. I was also hopeful Pacquiao could make a challenge to Mayweather. I wanted Pacquiao to win and as far as speed goes was the only fighter who could possibly remotely match Mayweather's speed. There were some questions going in and I wanted to see what Pacquiao could accomplish. But Mayweather was brilliant. Lets make no mistake about it. He neutralized Pac's attack from the opening bell. And for whatever reason Pac had no answers like so many other Mayweather opponents. I knew what I was buying. I don't feel "ripped" off. And I am also ready to move on to the fights this week and the upcoming weeks.


-stormcentre :

Guess what, Storm. If people indeed are unhappy, the blame falls SQUARELY on one man and one man only: Manny . No matter which way you look at it, if you're upset about this fight, Pacquiao's the only to blame -- simply because Floyd Mayweather did what Floyd Mayweather does. The Pacquiao side made all the apocalyptic predictions about being able to penetrate the defense easily, blasting him out, punching harder than ever, killer instinct back... Mayweather didn't do that. He didn't promise any fireworks. He didn't promise a knockout. Shoot, he didn't say anything but stating that "training camp has went (sic) tremendous" and that he wasn't going to be "smart," which he was. Let's be real, people paid to see Pacquiao do to Mayweather what he had done to others. Instead, it was just another Mayweather fight. And that's what people are "really" disappointed in; the fact that Manny Pacquiao was unable to change that. Can't blame Mayweather for not allowing that to happen. Mayweather outthrew him, outlanded him, outsmarted him and outboxed him. That's what Mayweather does. And people knew that going in. They decided to buy a Mayweather fight. Don't be upset that that was what you ended up with? The more I think about the complaints, the stranger the logic appears. It's almost like playing the lotto and then asking for a refund because you didn't win. Oh, and if people want to point to the injury, then once again, Mayweather is not to blame for that, either. If this fight supposedly "killed" boxing, the accountability should go in one direction. It's that simple.
Interesting stuff, as I was only thinking today at work (sorry Amayseng) that Floyd was - apparently pushed into the fight and didn't want it. So, therefore, how can the fight's poor action-performance be his fault; when by all the PacQueen's own admissions, Floyd didn't want it in the 1st place? The hypocrisy knows no bounds with MayPac and its result. Even if they have a rematch, the result will be the same and then everyone will say; ""well Manny's shoulder had not healed properly and Floyd ran"". Moving on; Floyd fought a southpaw and to strategically and successfully fight them properly and the way Floyd likes to box, you have to control distance, stay on the outside of their right/lead foot, and then (if you're not coming forward) turn and tag them when they turn and/or straighten up; which is exactly what Floyd did most of the time. In the Miranda V Abraham fight, Abraham fought through remarkable pain and still tried no matter what you think about the associated controversies there. Pac could have tried harder, yes. But, he also knew Floyd had his number; plain and simple. As I stated before the MayPac fight; Floyd would control distance, use his reach, size, speed, and defence, and then as Pac tried to leap/wiggle or otherwise come in, Floyd would tag him with straight/lead rights, left jabs and so forth. Which is basically what happened. Even when Pac had Floyd on the ropes, no damage was done, and that disheartened Pac to some extent; as at that stage (save for a few successful shots) he still had no meaningful answer to Floyd's; speed, lead right, and movement; as such he could not get a read on Floyd and/or evaluate his rhythm . . which is 1 major reason why Floyd throws single shots. . . . as it beaks the fight down into only those areas where he excels and not the other guy. Effectively taking away the other guy's strengths. So yes, I agree, at least 50% (if not more) of the current ridicule about the fight not being as action PacKed as it could be should go to Pac Unfortunately (some; not all) people love to hate Floyd and overlook a lot of related facts, and as such they criticise him. He owes no-one nothing. He's a great boxer that did what he said he would do; win. Even aside from how they misled the public and many gambling outlets, and also had a curious approach to injury announcement, pain management, and (again) possible steroid and/or PED obtainment; Roach, Arum and Pac, did not do what they raved loudly about and also promised they would do. Just some facts there for (some) people to ignore. Good post Shadow.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20971-Avila-Manifesto-No-More-Coverage-of-Al-Haymon-or-Mayweather-Fights&p=81342&viewfull=1#post81342
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20968-Shoulder-Statement-From-Pacquiao-and-Top-Rank&p=81320&viewfull=1#post81320 :) :) :)