Shot Fired, Mike Tyson At Floyd Mayweather

Man still draws immense crowds, conjures mad buzz, leaves people leaning in to hear his every word.

Yep, Mike Tyson is still a STAR.

The man formerly known as The Baddest Man on the Planet can still bring it, too, can still go there and throw a flurry, only know he uses his words over his fists. Such as when the ex champ, who last fought in 2005, was asked what he thought about Floyd Mayweather saying he’s better than Muhammad Ali. “He’s very delusional,” the Brooklyn born man stated. He said that Floyd can’t take his kid to school by himself, and that disqualifies him from being great…

“He’s a scared man, a very small, scared, man,” Tyson said, with an intense glower on his visage. The video appeared on UCN Live.

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The Manson lamps gleamed brightly as he said that and his demeanor spoke louder than the words.

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We are not sure what prompted that, but wow…The intensity was immense. That man can still stir that pot.

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-deepwater2 :

Floyd in the streets of Brownsville Brooklyn would be beat up, striped of jewelry and clothes. Seriously.


-Pazuzu :

[br] /[/br]Man still draws immense crowds, conjures mad buzz, leaves people leaning in to hear his every word. Yep, Mike Tyson is still a STAR. The man formerly known as The Baddest Man on the Planet can still bring it, too, can still go there and throw a flurry, only know he uses his words over his fists. Such as when the ex champ, who last fought in 2005, was asked what he thought about Floyd Mayweather saying he's better than Muhammad Ali. "He's very delusional," the Brooklyn born man stated. He said that Floyd can't take his kid to school by himself, and that disqualifies him from being great... "He's a scared man, a very small, scared, man," [url=http://www.thesweetscience.com/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA24sDTpMuA]Tyson said, with an intense glower on his visage. The Manson lamps gleamed brightly as he said that and his demeanor spoke louder than the words. Follow Woods on Twitter. We are not sure what prompted that, but wow...The intensity was immense. That man can still stir that pot.
When he is 80 years old, Mike will still be the Baddest Man on the Planet. There was a piece on "Gawker" today that mentioned Tyson dispersing crowds with his gaze...gonna be a helluva week!


-brownsugar :

Floyd in the streets of Brownsville Brooklyn would be beat up, striped of jewelry and clothes. Seriously.
There is no praise in that. Walking through dangerous crime ridden areas of town is no proof of valor. There's no accolades given for that kind foolishness. I've been to places in the world where the cost of human life is less than $20 dollars American. Where people have become subhuman...preying on each other and passers by who wouldn't ever have a clue or the motivation of revisiting their domain of squalor. Tyson, a self proclaimed rapist sodomist, robber and drug abuser should never try to belittle anyone for being a coward. The choice he made in life makes him the epitome of cowardice. What did Mayweather do? Not sign his autogragh? Fail to loan him a few grand? I smell a hefty dose of bitterness coming off Tyson right now.


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Amen, to that BS.


-Radam G :

There is no praise in that. Walking through dangerous crime ridden areas of town is no proof of valor. There's no accolades given for that kind foolishness. I've been to places in the world where the cost of human life is less than $20 dollars American. Where people have become subhuman...preying on each other and passers by who wouldn't ever have a clue or the motivation of revisiting their domain of squalor. Tyson, a self proclaimed rapist sodomist, robber and drug abuser should never try to belittle anyone for being a coward. The choice he made in life makes him the epitome of cowardice. What did Mayweather do? Not sign his autogragh? Fail to loan him a few grand? I smell a hefty dose of bitterness coming off Tyson right now.
Wow! Well Money May is faking being a tough guy. He is the biggest liar about growing up street tough. He was more protected and sheltered than I was. At least I hung with real street gangs before I was reeled in and sent to boarding school. Iron Mike doesn't need syet from phony, tough-arse Money May. A day and a wake up. And we will see the actuality of the reality. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Wow! Well Money May is faking being a tough guy. He is the biggest liar about growing up street tough. He was more protected and sheltered than I was. At least I hung with real street gangs before I was reeled in and sent to boarding school. Iron Mike doesn't need syet from phony, tough-arse Money May. A day and a wake up. And we will see the actuality of the reality. Holla!

->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20826-Note-USADA-Did-NOT-Test-Molina&p=80810&viewfull=1#post80810


-stormcentre :

Whoa - right or wrong - that’s a big put down right there be Iron Mike Wonder what’s up with him and Floyd?


-deepwater2 :

Floyd never held a job . Praise or no praise doesn't matter. The baddest man or the best ever can walk the streets , walk the tier , or walk the ring and command respect . Tyson speaks the truth , lil Floyd is a superb boxer but as far as being bad he is not . His people were roughed up as per Hopkins , Floyd was ripped off by 3 comma whatever so on and so on. Camacho could walk the streets no problem , Tyson could walk the streets. , Duran could walk the streets . Floyd gets harassed a d needs bodyguards at fat burger . It is what it is.


-brownsugar :

Wow! Well Money May is faking being a tough guy. He is the biggest liar about growing up street tough. He was more protected and sheltered than I was. At least I hung with real street gangs before I was reeled in and sent to boarding school. Iron Mike doesn't need syet from phony, tough-arse Money May. A day and a wake up. And we will see the actuality of the reality. Holla!
Total malarky... What kind of demented value system do you subscribe to... Mayweather has never placed value in spending the frigid winters in the home of his youth in Grand Rapids Michigan without electricity and hot water.....or being used as a shield to keep Pops from getting shot. To the contrary Its the surroundings of his youth that motivated him to excel in the sport of boxing.... He didn't do the misguided ghetto slum tours that the tragically slain Tupac engaged in, just because he either couldn't stay out of the hood, or felt he had to maintain the false pretense of presenting a thug image.??......Tupac himself for all of his thug aspirations went to acting school. Mayweather is a self proclaimed boxing nerd.... He tells folks everyday that he grew up in the gym...doesn't know anything else. "All I know is boxing". He talks about the ailing Mr Brown who drove a young Floyd to amateur tournaments around the country...and expresses gratitude to The wealthy family who sponsored him and provided him a place to stay when his father was imprisoned for cocaine trafficking. Do you really want me to believe that's something Floyd is supposed to be ashamed of because its " un-thug like behavior"? Or maybe you can elaborate how any boxer can live a sheltered existence when he exposes him self to being punched in the face in public. Or explain how a sheltered fighter can create and participate in the biggest event in boxing, against the other best fighter in the world .....in front of the largest audience in the world ... For the highest purse in boxing history. Tell me how that works? Bragging about beating up some drunken non boxer in a bar, which you are often prone to do isn't tough. But staying out of gangs...dedicating your life to achieve goals and staying at the top of the sport for 20 years is. You could learn a lot from Mayweather.


-brownsugar :

Floyd never held a job . Praise or no praise doesn't matter. The baddest man or the best ever can walk the streets , walk the tier , or walk the ring and command respect . Tyson speaks the truth , lil Floyd is a superb boxer but as far as being bad he is not . His people were roughed up as per Hopkins , Floyd was ripped off by 3 comma whatever so on and so on. Camacho could walk the streets no problem , Tyson could walk the streets. , Duran could walk the streets . Floyd gets harassed a d needs bodyguards at fat burger . It is what it is.
That's not being tough ...its being smart... There is no credibility given for being able to walk the hood. Or setting yourself up for danger... It just shows you that lowlife cowards will prey on you whenever they have the advantage because they have no honor. As far as Bhop , Comacho or Tyson goes... They will be stripped of every earthy possession they have and possible their lives if the want to test the ridiculous theory of who can walk down what street in whose Ghetto. The very premise of the the thought makes no sense. Hey...let's have a ghetto hike contest. Does nothing to prove a mans worth... Except that one person may want what another man has. Tough is staying married for life Tough is remaining dedicated and disciplined at the top of your game Tough is finishing college and getting a degree. What you speak on has no value in the real world where people work and live and obey the law. And if being champion for 20 years isn't a job then there is no such thing as a job.


-Radam G :

That's not being tough ...its being smart... There is no credibility given for being able to walk the hood. Or setting yourself up for danger... It just shows you that lowlife cowards will prey on you whenever they have the advantage because they have no honor. As far as Bhop , Comacho or Tyson goes... They will be stripped of every earthy possession the have and possible their lives if the want to test the ridiculous theory of who can walk down what street in whose Ghetto. The very premise of the the thought makes no sense. Hey...let's have a ghetto hike contest. Does nothing to prove prove a mans worth... Except that one person may want what another man has. Tough is staying married for life Tough is remaining dedicated and disciplined at the top of your game Tough is finishing college and getting a degree. What you speak on has no value in the real world where people work and live and obey the law. And if being champion for 20 years isn't a job then there is no such thing as a job.
Your tough is not my tough. Tough is getting your arse beat by nuns and your moms. Did you see that moms beat her son out of the riot in Baltimore? Hehe! She whooped his arse. Holla!


-brownsugar :

That's the kind of tough I can relate to RG.


-Radam G :

Total malarky... What kind of demented value system do you subscribe to... Mayweather has never placed value in spending the frigid winters in the home of his youth in Grand Rapids Michigan without electricity and hot water.....or being used as a shield to keep Pops from getting shot. To the contrary Its the surroundings of his youth that motivated him to excel in the sport of boxing.... He didn't do the misguided ghetto slum tours that the tragically slain Tupac engaged in, just because he either couldn't stay out of the hood, or felt he had to maintain the false pretense of presenting a thug image.??......Tupac himself for all of his thug aspirations went to acting school. Mayweather is a self proclaimed boxing nerd.... He tells folks everyday that he grew up in the gym...doesn't know anything else. "All I know is boxing". He talks about the ailing Mr Brown who drove a young Floyd to amateur tournaments around the country...and expresses gratitude to The wealthy family who sponsored him and provided him a place to stay when his father was imprisoned for cocaine trafficking. Do you really want me to believe that's something Floyd is supposed to be ashamed of because its " un-thug like behavior"? Or maybe you can elaborate how any boxer can live a sheltered existence when he exposes him self to being punched in the face in public. Or explain how a sheltered fighter can create and participate in the biggest event in boxing, against the other best fighter in the world .....in front of the largest audience in the world ... For the highest purse in boxing history. Tell me how that works? Bragging about beating up some drunken non boxer in a bar, which you are often prone to do isn't tough. But staying out of gangs...dedicating your life to achieve goals and staying at the top of the sport for 20 years is. You could learn a lot from Mayweather.
I don't have a clue of what you are talking about. Money May has been sheltered in wealth is what I mean. His pops was a dope pusher/boxer who gave that boy a wealthy existence in gyms all over the USA. You don't understand my use of the word sheltered. Just about good all pugs are sheltered away from super bad syet. Those who come from bad neighborhoods are moved too better places. That is just the way it is. Didn't Mike Tyson get adopted by Cus d'Mato and his wife and moved away from the hood. My friend, you need to chillax! Being sheltered is a good thing, not a bad one. The late, great Bill Cumming sheltered tons of local Ohio pugs at his home and gym. I could not learn Jack from Mayweather. We have been knowing each other our all life. And I have always been smarter than he. Holla!


-brownsugar :

OK...switching definitions again... Enjoy the fight RG.


-Radam G :

OK...switching definitions again... Enjoy the fight RG.
We are from different upbringings. And will use word differently. Beside English is my four language/$language.. I don't have a clue of your meaning of "Sheltered." To be good in anything you must sheltered away from bad influences. Holla!


-stormcentre :

OK...switching definitions again... Enjoy the fight RG.
Rolled off the shoulder, and countered with a (bytch) slap; nice. :)


-stormcentre :

Total malarky... What kind of demented value system do you subscribe to... Mayweather has never placed value in spending the frigid winters in the home of his youth in Grand Rapids Michigan without electricity and hot water.....or being used as a shield to keep Pops from getting shot. To the contrary Its the surroundings of his youth that motivated him to excel in the sport of boxing.... He didn't do the misguided ghetto slum tours that the tragically slain Tupac engaged in, just because he either couldn't stay out of the hood, or felt he had to maintain the false pretense of presenting a thug image.??......Tupac himself for all of his thug aspirations went to acting school. Mayweather is a self proclaimed boxing nerd.... He tells folks everyday that he grew up in the gym...doesn't know anything else. "All I know is boxing". He talks about the ailing Mr Brown who drove a young Floyd to amateur tournaments around the country...and expresses gratitude to The wealthy family who sponsored him and provided him a place to stay when his father was imprisoned for cocaine trafficking. Do you really want me to believe that's something Floyd is supposed to be ashamed of because its " un-thug like behavior"? Or maybe you can elaborate how any boxer can live a sheltered existence when he exposes him self to being punched in the face in public. Or explain how a sheltered fighter can create and participate in the biggest event in boxing, against the other best fighter in the world .....in front of the largest audience in the world ... For the highest purse in boxing history. Tell me how that works? Bragging about beating up some drunken non boxer in a bar, which you are often prone to do isn't tough. But staying out of gangs...dedicating your life to achieve goals and staying at the top of the sport for 20 years is.
You could learn a lot from Mayweather.
Now many won't believe me when I say this . . . But only last night I thought - legal and other recriminations and alleged actions aside - I was thinking a similar thing. Floyd (as we saw with the last MayPac promo, can't remember whether it was a HBO or Showtime installment) has done it very tough too. No Mum and Dad for a while, and then, when they were around, they weren't always clear, present and accounted for. That's not easy. It's remarkable that Floyd even remained in focus and as good at Boxing as what he has; as he was deposited at various "houses". Some of this explains how he became to be who he is today; like the guy was going to grow up being a saint with that background. Yet, for all his indiscretions, which many of us hate Floyd for; when (perhaps hypocritically) had Mike Tyson done anything like Floyd (or worse) - people would have just poured out of the woodwork in loud and aggressive defense for him (as we have seen time and time again; even today); no matter how ludicrous such Tyson actions were. Floyd has come close to squandering him money, but currently he hasn't, and instead he is the top feature in any entertainment; bar none. Last time I checked; no-one pays even . . the Rolling Stones, U2, or any other big major global sporting/entertainment act (that I am aware of) . . . more than $100K for a seat . . of no more than hour's real entertainment; which may be why Tyson is upset. And with all that fame, greatness, and boxing prowess, comes all the other pressures that Floyd has. Add to it, even though he has had wealth for just over a decade there has still been other family and other issues to contend with. Now, I am not saying other people don't have it tough. But Floyd has tasted both the good and the hard life, and many that criticize him for living in luxury without knowing how tough he has had it and/or it can be. Some of the same people that criticize him for living in luxury, are also those that have possibly only tasted the hard life. Or better put, those that have not yet tasted the good life and envy it and those that do have it. Floyd does alright for a guy that knows nothing but boxing. As does Pac.


-brownsugar :

Very measured and accurate comments ... I appreciate everyones comments and hope you enjoy the fight Please post pictures if you're in Vegas.........on vacation ...getting ready to catch some air.


-kidcanvas :

gee, u think mike like floyd ? hahahaha


-amayseng :

What Mike is saying is that Floyd isn't a badass like he tries to perceive. Nothing wrong with it and I agree. Floyd is a great boxer, but a big mouth racist not a badass


-Chris L :

Manny is an ATG. Floyd is an ATG. But Ali is is just on a completely different level.


-Froggy :

Manny is an ATG. Floyd is an ATG. But Ali is is just on a completely different level.
You bet he is !


-leon30001 :

In terms of in-ring achievements, I disagree Ali is on a different level to Pacquiao. Manny doesn't get enough credit for fighting well above his natural weight. It's phenomenal what he's done.


-deepwater2 :

Nothing like a bar room brawl. If Floyd was convicted for some bare knuckle action it wouldn't be as bad as all the domestic violence things he has done. I'm all for the clean cut boxer out of the ring but the bad boys shouldn't be discounted for back alley fights. Who said , I can't sing , I can't dance but ill luck any sob in the house ?


-King Beef :

I think Iron Mike may have a problem with the TBE claim if anything; all the other not a tough guy stuff is probably just alittle extra venting. Anybody that has any experience knows that 99% of people will get "rolled" walking in a bad hood. If I had the money Mayweather, Manny, "insert rich person's name here" has, you better have someone watching your back...these are desperate times for alot of people out here, and will do whatever to get over. As bad as Iron Mike is, if he is in the wrong part of town, there will be someone to test him, and the last time I checked a bullet is faster than his best punch. Anybody with any common sense knows Floyd isn't a "thug" in that sense, I don't know any millionare thugs, they have "shooters" for that.


-amayseng :

Tyson is a boxing historian. He is taking Foyd's TBE like any true atg should, as an insult.


-stormcentre :

And . . . herein (all above comments) lies why Floyd is the biggest and/or richest drawcard in boxing and probably entertainment. He not only polarises opinions, but forces their owners to deeply consider him and his perceived actions in the context of what they think they would do in similar positions and circumstances; regardless of whether such considerations are overtly and/or ludicrously hypocritical from how another fighter may have received their support for same and/or worse acts. Floyd moves people so much that they often don't care about hypocrisy, consistency, or background information. The interesting thing is that those that may care about hypocrisy, consistency, or background information (in relation to Mayweather) are usually moved to a similar degree. But in the opposite direction. Not always though. As some that really do care about hypocrisy, consistency, or background information, also still deeply dislike Floyd whilst not caring about whether it - in the context of how they may have raised their arms in mock surprise that heavyweight champions can be incarcerated for rape - makes no consistent sense. Floyd has become the highest paid boxer, athlete, and entertainer, in the entire world via this social and psychological phenomena that (amongst other traits) seems to allow the conscious mind to some to disregard its usual priorities of embarrassment and self preservation for something that is interestingly considered to be of far greater importance than it usually is; publicly announcing hatred for another person based solely on what the media have told them about that person.


-DaveB :

I think Tyson is talking about the TBE crap. Even if Mayweather thinks that he is that for real it is classless for him to say about himself. No humility there and it pisses a lot of people off. Ali used to get grief in his younger days when he talked poorly of Joe Louis. It is nice to see someone at the top give a person props, especially an icon. Same with Holmes' talk of Marciano. Plus the way Mayweather always flaunts money. People with much more than he do not do that and if they do, they come under the same scrutiny. Comes with the territory. And last of all, Tyson did get his share of criticism during his fighting days for all of his nonsense. The public was growing very tired of his antics and thug like behavior. Those actions created quite a backlash. It was only after he was beat, left the sport and started doing his one man show that the public embraced him again. That and maybe the loss of his daughter put him in back in the public's good graces.


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Wow, now Mike Tyson is the voice of reason? Hmm...I wonder what people were saying over twenty five years ago when Mike was accused of beating his wife at the time Robin Givens? Or when He was found guilty of rape? My point..most likely, Mike was being called the same names with same the hatred that is now aimed at Floyd! Real talk! Now let's talk about racism. Yes Floyd said very disparaging things about Manny, but where is the outrage about Freddie and what he said? Here is a reminder.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdhrPh09TX0


-Radam G :

Wow, now Mike Tyson is the voice of reason? Hmm...I wonder what people were saying over twenty five years ago when Mike was accused of beating his wife at the time Robin Givens? Or when He was found guilty of rape? My point..most likely, Mike was being called the same names with same the hatred that is now aimed at Floyd! Real talk! Now let's talk about racism. Yes Floyd said very disparaging things about Manny, but where is the outrage about Freddie and what he said? Here is a reminder.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdhrPh09TX0
Wow! Ready Freddie talks typical boxing trash. Iron Mike beat no woman, nor did he rape one. Being found guilty on the mainland USA is often because of a rotten, hateful jury. How many prisoners have been released because they iwere innocent to start with? Holla!


-Radam G :

What happened in China was not racist. It was a rivalry of ethnicities. Happens in boxing all the time. Coach Freddie has pugs from every ethnic group fighting for him. Big Floyd does not. He is a xenophobic racist. He has told everybody that he doesn't train Asians. Have you seen him in the corner of one? And Lil Floyd grew up in that type of environment, so he often do say things that are racist. Like saying "the Philippines is f***ed up." OMFG! Not like places on the mainland USA. Lil Floyd -- with his dumb arse -- doesn't know that the mainland USA is all a First World country all the way down to a Fifth World country. Dat hater needs to see the whole, collected USA mainland. The P-Islands just sinks as lowest as Third World. Lil Floyd doesn't sknow yet 'bout da world. He is just a been-told-punkified-bytch-@$$, naive-his-world rich boy. Big Floyd -- with his racist arse, and proud to be, he will tell you -- has a rhyme: "Ain't no doubt. And I will shout. I rather train a black, so all the rest of yall get back! Holla!


-stormcentre :


Sin City Entourage with Team Da Manny. I will be the SuperFly Pinoy with a stylish Fedora on my dome, and hiding in plane sight. And talking must syet. "It's Pinoy TIME, BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Holla! [/QUOTE] Amayseng stuff.
StormCentre Social Avenger For MayPac Evenhandedness & Balance. Part-Time Freedom Fighter In Relation To; Freedom Of Speech, Da PacCultMovement, & The ProactivePacLossExcuseMakingMovement.


-stormcentre :


Sin City Entourage with Team Da Manny. I will be the SuperFly Pinoy with a stylish Fedora on my dome, and hiding in plane sight. And talking must syet. "It's Pinoy TIME, BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Holla! [/QUOTE] Amayseng stuff.
StormCentre Social Avenger For MayPac Evenhandedness & Balance. Part-Time Freedom Fighter In Relation To; Freedom Of Speech, Da PacCultMovement, & The ProactivePacLossExcuseMakingMovement.


-stormcentre :

I think Tyson is talking about the TBE crap. Even if Mayweather thinks that he is that for real it is classless for him to say about himself. No humility there and it pisses a lot of people off. Ali used to get grief in his younger days when he talked poorly of Joe Louis. It is nice to see someone at the top give a person props, especially an icon. Same with Holmes' talk of Marciano. Plus the way Mayweather always flaunts money. People with much more than he do not do that and if they do, they come under the same scrutiny. Comes with the territory. And last of all, Tyson did get his share of criticism during his fighting days for all of his nonsense. The public was growing very tired of his antics and thug like behavior. Those actions created quite a backlash. It was only after he was beat, left the sport and started doing his one man show that the public embraced him again. That and maybe the loss of his daughter put him in back in the public's good graces.
Fair call/post DB. I was only thinking the other day that I had not seen a recent post from you for a while. :) My way of thinking was that, even though - as you rightly say - there was a public backlash over Mike's antics. For the main case in point (that I was making) the fact of the matter is/was that whilst that public backlash rightly took place, by and large the boxing cult itself and also most of its followers still; A) Not only embraced and supported (some very vocally as they are now - but for opposite reasons - with Floyd) Mike. B) But also came out of their "lounge rooms" and silence - so to speak - and openly spoke of and looked for ways that Mike was misled, the victim of opportunism, and in general just not entirely guilty and therefore should be perceived positively; despite the heinous nature of the crimes and acts that he both, obviously did do and was also said to have not done. The same has not happened for Floyd with many of boxing's followers and insiders. Have I converted you to agree? Doesn't matter if not. Happy to get your views considering the above. Cheers.


-DaveB :

Storm, I'm never attacking you nor anyone else on here, I'm just blabbing - well typing but you know what I mean. I've been watching and reading lately. There really wasn't much more to add or say that hasn't been explored over the past six years. I haven't read a ton of articles because most of the main players - Floyd Sr., Roach, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Arum etc. were pretty predictable. It is only in the last few days or if I saw an article with something different to it that piqued my interest that I read it. I understand your feeling toward Tyson. He did do some heinous acts and was a despicable person. I think he has grown up a lot or so it seems. Mayweather has also done so despicable things. I think the difference is that Mayweather puts people down. He is all about money, he talks trash about how much he has and how others don't, as though that makes him superior to others (it doesn't). He probably does it because of his own insecurities. Because he lives in Vegas and means so much to their economy he has gotten away with things he shouldn't have and when he was punished it didn't really amount to much. I'm sure the punishment would have been much more severe for a regular joe. Now getting back to the harsh way he treats people, people in general are not going to stand up for him, to the same degree, when crap hits the fan. But having said that his fans came to his defense as if they were the cavalry. Some people defend certain people no matter what they have done. Wrong is wrong but not to them. Tyson did get the benefit of the doubt in too many ways. Floyd has gotten them too in other ways, mainly the justice system, and I use that word, justice, loosely. Both have gotten bad breaks, both have been blessed with more than they could have ever dreamed of, both have a good side, both appear arrogant at times. Floyd just rubs it in people's faces and that is probably why he is disliked more. I never remember Tyson flaunting that way and that could be the reason why people were more sympathetic towards him.


-stormcentre :

Storm, I'm never attacking you nor anyone else on here, I'm just blabbing - well typing but you know what I mean. I've been watching and reading lately. There really wasn't much more to add or say that hasn't been explored over the past six years. I haven't read a ton of articles because most of the main players - Floyd Sr., Roach, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Arum etc. were pretty predictable. It is only in the last few days or if I saw an article with something different to it that piqued my interest that I read it.
Yep, it's all cool. I knew you were not attacking me DB. Same here, I just wondered if - once I threw my caveats and lines of thought out there - whether you would still hold the same views. As stated earlier, I think people are prepared to be lenient, pensive, and considering when it comes to Mike; but not Floyd. I think there is some hypocrisy there, but I too used to do a similar thing with Floyd until I stopped and realised that the guy never professed to be a saint, and what did I expect with his difficult upbringing. There is no doubt in my mind that some duplicity exists with Floyd and Mike or other great fighters that did/said as they pleased; after all, we all (collectively) said ""well, he's the youngest heavyweight champion in the world and he has all these powerful people telling him what to do, and influencing and controlling him"" whenever Mike got into trouble. I mean, I heard that for decades with Mike. Dont get me wrong, I like Mike too. I also understand that people are not made of wood. They will feel, think, and act differently depending on what is in their head and heart; not necessarily considering whether it is consistent and/or logical. Some more than others too. Sometimes though, I just think it's good to ask why the problem and/or issue is the way it "seems" to be. Also, getting back to how Floyd kind of converted me . . . and I say that as around about the time he fought Henry Bruseles (in 2004 was it? For the WBC welterweight title prelims I think), for various reasons, I started to look at why Floyd sometimes appeared to take the easy route. As you know some guys (fighter "A") fight guys that are below their skill level (fighter "B"), and that sometimes can be also an indication of how good fighter "A" really is. Other times, and perhaps more rarely, fighter "A" will fight guys that are below his skill level (fighter "B"), and that sometimes will not only be no indication of how good fighter "A" really is - but it can distract you from how good fighter "A" really is. Sometimes fighter "A" simply fights guys that are below his skill level (fighter "B") because they have something he wants, and it's the same has having a break from boxing but both getting paid for it and staying in match-practice shape. As I, years ago, had those above thoughts and doubts about Floyd; Floyd was at the time edging up towards the welterweight division, and I always knew he was a gloved genius in the lightweight and lighter divisions. But, back then I was just unsure of whether some of Floyd's opponent choices in the welterweight divisions and heavier were an indication of his skill, confidence, and other upper limits. Then, came Mayweather V Gatti, and that was impressive no matter how much you thought Gatti was overmatched by Floyd and his superior skills. As we all know Mitchell (this fight has some relevance to the MayPac fight) and Judah followed; which were both very good displays of Floyd's skills. But the fact that Zab had been beaten by Baldomir just before he met Floyd, and therefore (I think) had lost his WBC or WBA title, also left some uncertainty about Floyd; even though he did well against Zab. As an adjunct I think the Mayweather V Judah fight still ended up being for a title anyway, and I also think something strange then happened with Carlos' titles before and/or when Floyd finally fought him. So, for me, Baldomir, Mitchell, and Judah aligned with a period of doubt; about Floyd as an elite champion. Plus I have always believed that Floyd didn't stay long in the welterweight division because of Kostya Tszyu. But then with what Floyd has done from; Oscar, Marquez, Hatton, Mosley, Cotto, Guerrero, Alvarez, and Maidana, onwards . . . and also the skills he has laid down in those fights; has made me a believer. And, as most here know, I am an extremely critical with my analysis if I want to be. Particularly when it comes to reversing my opinions and decisions on a fighter; whether or not he ducked Tszyu. Add it to all Floyd's earlier fights from Bruseles back (many of within which Floyd displayed scintillating skills) and you really have a guy that is a boxing phenomena. And when all that came to me and I finally realised (I was a cautious skeptic for a while) that Floyd can (within reason) fight whomever and at whatever level he likes; for various reasons. . . . . That's when I started to think that I would be crazy to not appreciate what this guy has and at least try to give him the benefit of the doubt for all his claimed personal indiscretions; in the same way that I did for Tyson, and many other great fighters - that you find . . whilst you can take them away from their upbringing - you can't take their upbringing away from them. I mean, you can find bad things and negatives in almost anyone of you try - but the world's a nicer place if you approach it the other way around. And, with those thoughts and also being mindful of how hard it is to master all the skills in this sport; I realised that it would be stupid of me not to appreciate and view a boxing genius like Floyd, through his boxing achievements and skills first. Once he goes; it's highly likely that we won't see a guy like him, with his skills, for a while. Floyd, these days, seems to chose reasonably wisely both in and out of the ring though. So, some things have changed. But the fact remains (for me at least) that - unless you have stepped into that squared ring, fought a reasonably high level of competition, and for years practiced and tried to improve your fighting abilities - it may be hard to realise both, just how clever Floyd really is in there and just how many skills the guy lays down within every fight. Not many people do that - not even some of the all time greats. I mean, Floyd rarely loses more than 4 rounds, and usually wins almost every round of his fights. Sure, if we talk unrestrained aggression and taking risks; then he may not match some all time greats. But I dare anyone to dig up video of an all time great fighter that consistently lays more skills down every round than Floyd does - I know you are not saying that someone exists that can. Yes, I know that there may be all time greats that have had more and/or better competition back in the old days, but that's not Floyd's fault. Add to it all that some of Floyd's signature wins are over the very same guys that Pac receives accolades for; regardless of whether Pac fought them after Floyd, juiced, and/or weight drained. Then you have the fact that Floyd is still doing it as he closes in on 40. I love Pac too. Awesome fighter. But, in my opinion I don't think anyone can truly call themselves a student and aficionado of the game, and truly be passionate about boxing, and at the same time; 1) Not marvel at Floyd's skills and achievements. 2) Not, at least, try to understand; what he does, what he is alleged to have done, and why. Same for Pac. But he is less controversial, mysterious, and skill-laden; even though his accomplishments and the excitement he brings to the ring is - without doubt - at all time great levels; too. OK, so there we go. Soon Floyd will be gone from the boxing landscape and I don't believe it will be a better place without him. Just as when, the highly controversial, but brilliantly skilled Naseem Hamed finally closed out his career. . . . and how great would a fight between those two guys (Floyd V Hamed {or even; Pacquaio V Hamed}) been? [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] I understand your feeling toward Tyson. He did do some heinous acts and was a despicable person. I think he has grown up a lot or so it seems. Mayweather has also done so despicable things. I think the difference is that Mayweather puts people down. He is all about money, he talks trash about how much he has and how others don't, as though that makes him superior to others (it doesn't). He probably does it because of his own insecurities. [/QUOTE] I am pretty cool with Mike DB. I agree he was out of line at times. Other times he was just getting beat up on; by life, self and external greed, lack of social, standard, and business education, and in general how hard it is to make the right moves when everyone is patting you on the back for not only, reasons that aren't always clear - but also just may be their way of looking for a place to insert a knife. Moving on . . I do think Robin Given's seriously trucked Tyson over, and not just in the bedroom; but I can't prove it. :) As for the rape. I guess we will never know. The alleged victim "seemed to have" a lot of holes in her story, and - after reading the courtroom transcripts (years ago) - I can still remember thinking that Mike's lawyer was a goon and could have both done and objected more. Water under the bridge now though. That said, the legal definitions for rape and domestic battery (in the USA, UK, and our sunburnt country) can be quite loose, vague, and financially beneficial for the aggrieved and many other parties (lawyers included; lawyer's picnic?) except, of course, the (sometimes falsely and even rightly) accused themselves. You're right, though, Mike has grown up a lot. Floyd does put people down I guess, but I have not heard him seriously do it to anyone other than opponents, and previous promoters. I agree I may be overlooking something here. I really think Floyd flaunts and uses money to promote both himself and his "Money May" persona; knowing that it will create a strong interest, and therefore recurring revenue. And, I guess you're right in that - no matter what reason he does it for - it, combined with his brash and perceivably "superior to others" persona . . . rubs people the wrong way (and possibly makes them jealous - or both). Agree also, there are some insecurities there for Floyd. But, none of us needs to be a (junk) scientist to work that out. :) [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] Because he lives in Vegas and means so much to their economy he has gotten away with things he shouldn't have and when he was punished it didn't really amount to much. I'm sure the punishment would have been much more severe for a regular joe. Now getting back to the harsh way he treats people, people in general are not going to stand up for him, to the same degree, when crap hits the fan. [/QUOTE] Agree. [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] But having said that his fans came to his defense as if they were the cavalry. Some people defend certain people no matter what they have done. Wrong is wrong but not to them. [/QUOTE] Agree. The same thing happens to Pac (lesser extent obviously), and it also happened to Mike. And, it also happened to Ali, Roy Jones, Bowe, and also Holyfield. People often don't want to see the wrong in whom they support due to how it can say possibly something about their intellect; for unwisely investing so much time, money, effort, and text and/or (digital/typing) bits. That, plus people usually don't like to; be wrong and admit it if they are, look inward, and be accountable. [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] Tyson did get the benefit of the doubt in too many ways. [/QUOTE] Yep - agree. [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] Floyd has gotten them too in other ways, mainly the justice system, and I use that word, justice, loosely. [/QUOTE] Yes, Floyd was given a lot of leeway for a while there. At least until it "appeared" he didn't use those experiences, chances, and "warnings" properly. [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] Both have gotten bad breaks, both have been blessed with more than they could have ever dreamed of, both have a good side, both appear arrogant at times. [/QUOTE] Agree. [QUOTE=DaveB;80916] Floyd just rubs it in people's faces and that is probably why he is disliked more. I never remember Tyson flaunting that way and that could be the reason why people were more sympathetic towards him. [/QUOTE] Yep, Floyd kind of does appear to rub it in, and that grates people the wrong way. For me though, I am not sure how much of that really is Floyd, and how much is "Money May" talking. But, nevertheless, you're right with what you're saying. Playing amateur psychologist here; I think Floyd feels (as Hopkins did) that the system(s) was against him, and now he feels supremely triumphant that he has overcome that and also his longstanding related fears about it. Whether we chose to accept it or not; fact is thousands of people live their lives in fear of never becoming significant. That fear not only builds on a daily basis as they grow older and both see and hear "the world" constantly "tell" them that they will never make it, and instead be another loser - but it also effects people in different ways. I think Mike's humble speaking voice and unexpected tones and also his gentle logic, when interviewed, often allowed a lot of people not to trust their first (strong?) impressions on scandalous and negative news reports pertaining to him. Plus, many of the general population and also boxing insiders - probably because Mike was a heavyweight champion and that division usually gets more attention - already knew of and sympathised with Mike's upbringing by the time he was 22; which also gave them facts to consider behind any "seriously" negative and stigmatic thing he was alleged to have done - of which there was quite a few. That and the fact that - with Mike - for a while there you could actually seem him psychologically melting and physically breaking down with all the pressure and weight of what was happening to him; as it took its toll. Unlike Mike; with Floyd, people don't see and/or hear that humility, and of course they don't always have the background (and family/social) reasons, and also the understanding to balance out what it is Mayweather is meant to have done. So, they never meaningfully look for alternative reasons and/or ask the questions (as they did with Mike); why? So, ultimately people (whom this applies to) assume because Floyd has been to jail, been found guilty of and/or associated with some pretty nasty deeds, and because he is regularly found acting loud/brash and making truckloads of cash, almost anything that is negatively said about Mayweather should be treated as fact - unless proved otherwise. Rather than the other way around. I also think some of it (with why people dislike Floyd) is due to how he does things his way, keeps proving people wrong, and keeps winning when people want him to lose. People don't like that. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Cheers.


-DaveB :

I like your up and down analysis. Yes there is something more that resonates with people with Floyd than with Mike. Mike did seem like a na?ve man/child that was thrown to the sharks. Cus D'Amato died, Jim Jacobs died and then Jim Jacobs, whom he had trusted, tricked him to being bound to Bill Cayton, a man he hated. When Kevin Rooney partnered with Cayton, Tyson joined forces with Don King. What a recipe for disaster. Everyone knew that King was going to fleece him as soon as he got the chance. King was all about us, him and Mike, being "brothers". Tyson deep down in his heart knew about King. I remember him saying about King - He is a snake in the grass but a snake can not harm you as long as you keep a light on him. At the time I thought Tyson will never align himself with King. How wrong I was. And yes Tyson did seem like a victim of a shark frenzy. Add Robin Givens and her mother. Still I never appreciated Tyson's other behaviors. I mean who am I? It is just my observation and I guess I have a right to that. I mean it's his life. You are right about Floyd. I'm sure a lot of what he does is to sell his persona and he may be nothing like it. Once again, it's his life. I heard he is shy and for all I know he may be humble. That is the trouble with doing things the way he does and why perception is so strong. People will love and hate you for what they perceive you to be. You can seem lovable on screen but be ruthless and nasty in life and people will adore you. I too am guilty of not giving Floyd more of the benefit of the doubt but I do take these things with a grain of salt. I am referring to celebrities lives. I do not know these people and there are so many horrific things going on in the world that I can't expend too much of my energy on him. I'll leave that up to women's right advocates or the wronged parties themselves. Both Tyson and Mayweather have been denied entry into other countries amid protests and that is the price they have both paid which is understandable. There has to be accountability for what they have done even as we try to understand why they have such rachet behavioral tendencies. Their collective behaviors are unacceptable. You sir seem to be a kind a caring man and I hope if one day I am being called out on my unacceptable behavior you will be the judge. Until that day I'll try to keep my nose clean and avoid trouble. I wish the same for Mr. Tyson and Mr. Mayweather as well. Enjoy the fight. P.S. Mayweather is a boxing genius, a savant if you will. There can be no argument on that. Saying he isn't would be like starting off a conversation saying that Earnie Shavers couldn't punch hard.


-DaveB :

One last thing, talking about people who grate the fan's nerves, think Mayweather Lite - Adrian Broner. Man, the fans were so happy to see him get his come-uppence it was totally unbelievable. I was one of those people. The bad guy approach is definitely a two edged sword. Without it though, outside of Mayweather's skills which can be boring and not fan friendly, there isn't much to the man. And that is why he employs it. So it has an upside as well as a downside. People pay to see him lose and his biggest PPV's are against fighters that have a big fan base. His "fans" want to see him lose that zero. After that I think the intrigue will be gone and people will move on. Of course a rematch will be big provided tonight's fight isn't a blow out.


-King Beef :

Good points Dave and Storm, I kinda look at it alittla more simple. Dave, I agree as stated before that I think it's the TBE claim That got Iron Mike riled. As Amayseng stated, Mike is a boxing historian, and probably feels its disrespectful. All the other stuff about not being a "real thug" is just some extra icing on cake, and venting. Everybody overlooks what Mike (did or didnt do ) because Mike is "somewhat safe" now. (I would not want to test this though). The Iron Mike that wanted to eat your kids, and push your nose bone into your brain with a uppercut is now doing lip sync battle and Hang Over movies. I am curious what the opinions of Mike would be if his pick went the other way or if he agreed with the TBE claim. I'm guessing the claims would be (2 woman beaters/rapists sticking together) or all the other misteps he has made that Dave and NeverSawtheHook pointed out would be front and center. Either way Tyson is still the man with me! Thats that mans opinion, and he is entitled to it. I still think Mayweather is just turning the screw with the TBE thing, but if he does think he is, why not. Storm, I think the tolerance/recognition for Mayweather will change when he does stop fighting, or IF he loses tonight...and handles it well; After all the I told you so's, he will get respect for his career.


-stormcentre :

KB & DB . . . wicked posts and points. Agree, agree and agree. Too many good considerations to come back on right now with the fight (and Floyd's win :) ) only minutes away. Lets go MayPac.


-Kid Blast :

Sam Watson is as ugly as his very ugly annoying twin sons.


-Kid Blast :

Storm center or whoever the mod is, please put Radam on my ignore list. Thank you.


-Radam G :

Storm center or whoever the mod is, please put Radam on my ignore list. Thank you.
Grow up, idiot! And figure it out for yourself. Holla!