Floyd-Judah Sparring Is Talk of the Town

Ah, the gamesmanship.

My guy is looking aces in camp. Oh, but my guy is looking like aces plus.

The salesmanship, the wording meant to convey to the world that their man is destined to have the camp of of his life and thus is that much more likely to get the W on May 2…

We heard that Manny looked sharp and was dialed in mentally last week from Freddie Roach, when he started sparring. Then, the one-upsmanship. Floyd Mayweathers’ Uncle Jeff told writer David Mayo of Michigan Live that Floyd was looking like a mini Liston in camp, and was a battering ram during with with ex champ Zab Judah.

“Just beat the (bleep) out of him,” Jeff Mayweather said to Mayo. “He beat Judah so bad, Judah was scared to let his hands go. Everybody was just hyped because they thought Judah was going to be something different, but Judah was worse than the other guys,” Jeff Mayweather continued to Mayweather. “It seemed like Floyd had something personal against him. He beat the (bleep) out of him. So then he quit, he let Judah off the hook, because Judah’s got a fight coming up and he messed his eye up…Floyd, he’s on a different level right now. It may be just his mind, and all the (B.S.) he’s been dealing with with Manny over the years. Obviously, he’s taken that in some kind of way, and I mean, he’s punishing these guys.”

Message: Different Floyd.

Message: Look out Manny.

Message: Floyd hasn’t stopped anyone aside from Victor Ortiz off what some see as a semi-sucker shot in 2011 since he stopped Ricky Hatton in 2007, but that could well change May 2.

Word on the street is Jeff regretted saying that stuff, maybe thought it wasn’t so on the record..and I can see why he might be shying away from the sharing from a respect perspective. Judah is a proud vet, and I could understand if he didn’t care for that stark assessment of his efforts. Mayo, I know him, and find him to be above reproach, just in case anyone is hinting anything there…

I reached out to Zab’s dad, Yoel, and he told me he isn’t with Zab in Vegas, he’s in NY, doing his thing, so he can’t speak to what’s going on in Floyd camp.

Freddie Roach heard about the critique, which, to be fair, did NOT come from Floyd, and said, “Manny would never say that about a sparring partner!”

I reached out to see if Floyd wanted to respond, maybe speak for himself on the matter and will insert that response if it arrives.

Judah soon after posted a snap of himself on a golf course, looking none the worse for wear and wrote that “if it don’t make sense don’t believe it,” which may have been a response to the critique. “Let em talk, just keep saying my name,” he continued, employing the Zsa Zsa Gabor adage.

But just remember, as you read this, and hear that, psychological ops are in effect, and so read and listen with a skeptical eye, because sometimes fights are won and lost before the bell rings, and wise hands know this, and thus, employ tactics to try and sway hearts and minds in the leadup to fights.

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COMMENTS

-deepwater2 :

Talk must be cheap in town these days. Zab has been shot for awhile. Paulie M is the King of Brooklyn after he had he way with Zab. The real Zab would have stopped Paulie. Glad he is on the course. I just got a new Scotty Cameron putter to bring to Vegas. Maybe I can get 9 holes in that weekend. Cruz doesn't have much of a chance. Rand Paul is the leader of the pack against the establishment candidates. Do you really want another bush or Clinton?


-Radam G :

The Mayweathers are hypocrites and syet talkers of selected stuff and lying weasels. "Looking good in a sparring session don't mean S**T," Big Floyd would say about Da Manny and other pugs. But anything Lil Floyd does is whup-azz BIG-THRILLING news. YUP! He beat da ____ _____ ____ outta shot Judah and super-shot Corley. But lets talking about Cody Crowley. This "weak-@$$ white boy," as the stable of The Money Team's pugs calls him, kicked Money May's arse. OOPS! I musta' fo'got! Money May just had a bad session. YUP! RIGHT! My little, green cousin from Mars got next. GIVE ME A BREAK for the Money May's nut riders and excuse-making he hos. Money May will never show you the film of that sparring session. But the spies -- I mean flies -- on the walls know what time it is. Crowley -- also a sparringmate with Chris Algieri -- was all over the place and Money May could not find him. And if Da Manny's spies know this jive, so does the media. You better know that FloydHype's editor in chief kisser of Money May's arse Ben Thompson is worried. I love to see how his rat spin this one. OOPS! My BAD! He will just ignore. Pretend that somebody on the internet is just making up syet on da fly. Yup! And his paycheck from Lil Floyd is ending soon. BTW, Money May should get his four-thousand-dollar-a-day chef to fire up some mole-rat types of roots and bulbs for his arse. He is dragging dat 38-year-old shot arse. Mole-rat chow will liven him up. He needs a lot of help and less hype for this dance with Da Manny. Holla!


-The Good Doctor :

I take sparring talk with a grain of salt. Some greats have been awful at sparring, some guys great at sparring have gotten their tails handed to them in the ring. Sparring sessions are used for revisionist history just like amateur records. If guys spar great then fight great, it was because of the sparring sessions, if they get whipped, sparring sessions are of no consequence. No different than when a guy has tons of amateur fights and is great, we point to his "extensive amateur background." If he fights a ton of amateur fights and is then a bum, it is said that he should have turned pro sooner, took too much tread off in the amateurs or must have fought below average amateur competition.


-michigan400 :

Floyd whipping on Judah is basically expected. Consider how shot Zab is and how after 4 rounds Floyd was walking him down in their fight way back when Anyway. Floyd would have stopped him if it wasn't for the low blow and Uncle Roger going bat crap crazy. That was an entertaining Floyd fight Ill even admit that! Lol!


-deepwater2 :

I take sparring talk with a grain of salt. Some greats have been awful at sparring, some guys great at sparring have gotten their tails handed to them in the ring. Sparring sessions are used for revisionist history just like amateur records. If guys spar great then fight great, it was because of the sparring sessions, if they get whipped, sparring sessions are of no consequence. No different than when a guy has tons of amateur fights and is great, we point to his "extensive amateur background." If he fights a ton of amateur fights and is then a bum, it is said that he should have turned pro sooner, took too much tread off in the amateurs or must have fought below average amateur competition.
Agreed.


-deepwater2 :

Floyd whipping on Judah is basically expected. Consider how shot Zab is and how after 4 rounds Floyd was walking him down in their fight way back when Anyway. Floyd would have stopped him if it wasn't for the low blow and Uncle Roger going bat crap crazy. That was an entertaining Floyd fight Ill even admit that! Lol!
Zab is playing more golf than he is boxing nowadays! Even if he did beat him up. so what? Zab even put a picture out on the golf course looking OK right after the sparring. If TBE beats you up for 3 rounds and made you quit, it might be hard to go play golf looking fresh at the course. Its probably just propaganda that the mayweather brother, that no one talks about, has to say so the other brothers let him in their gym.


-deepwater2 :

Floyd whipping on Judah is basically expected. Consider how shot Zab is and how after 4 rounds Floyd was walking him down in their fight way back when Anyway. Floyd would have stopped him if it wasn't for the low blow and Uncle Roger going bat crap crazy. That was an entertaining Floyd fight Ill even admit that! Lol!
Zab is playing more golf than he is boxing nowadays! Even if he did beat him up. so what? Zab even put a picture out on the golf course looking OK right after the sparring. If TBE beats you up for 3 rounds and made you quit, it might be hard to go play golf looking fresh at the course. Its probably just propaganda that the mayweather brother, that no one talks about, has to say so the other brothers let him in their gym.


-stormcentre :

If true, you got to wonder what value (for either guy) it has beating down Judah that bad? Not sure how cool it is/was by Jeff to be saying that kind of stuff anyway (whether it's true or not) about a guy that (if used right can really help you, and) comes all the way from NY to LV to help you prepare; whether you're paying him or not. Agreed, Zab's best days are behind him now; but he still no mug. A lot of really good guys would (and do) get beat up sparring with Floyd at his gym. Remember, even if Pacquaio is better than him, Floyd is still one of the slickest and top operators in this game.


-stormcentre :

If true, you got to wonder what value (for either guy) it has beating down Judah that bad? Not sure how cool it is/was by Jeff to be saying that kind of stuff anyway (whether it's true or not) about a guy that (if used right can really help you, and) comes all the way from NY to LV to help you prepare; whether you're paying him or not. Agreed, Zab's best days are behind him now; but he still no mug. A lot of really good guys would (and do) get beat up sparring with Floyd at his gym. Remember, even if Pacquaio is better than him, Floyd is still one of the slickest and top operators in this game.


-#1 PacFan :

Floyd will need all the help he can get even if its through sending out sparring sessions through the media. Manny doesn't get affected by stories about his opponents beating up sparring partners. Believe it or not it fuels him knowing his opponent just might fight him toe to toe. Manny is super focused he carries a burden no man has ever carried in the ring. He was recently visited by one of his former foes that he beat for his first title. How ironic. This fight will be like his first title shot once. I think this is his true mindset for this fight. Manny by MD or 9th round stoppage.


-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

Thank you, Stormcentre for a non biased opinion! Look I like Manny, I just don't believe he is better than Floyd! Styles makes fights always has and always will.. and MP style is tailored made for floyd period! I really hope it is a good fight (after waiting 6 years for it), but MP with no defense, fighting a master counter puncher (or eating too many lead right hands), and fighting at 147 and not a catchweight or weight-drained dead fighter...spells doom for MP. Just my honest opinion.


-stormcentre :

Thank you, Stormcentre for a non biased opinion! Look I like Manny, I just don't believe he is better than Floyd! Styles makes fights always has and always will.. and MP style is tailored made for floyd period! I really hope it is a good fight (after waiting 6 years for it), but MP with no defense, fighting a master counter puncher (or eating too many lead right hands), and fighting at 147 and not a catchweight or weight-drained dead fighter...spells doom for MP. Just my honest opinion.
Thanks man. I don't always get it right myself, but I try to, and I try to keep it real. Lotta Pac fans here (for MayPac) and not so many Floyd fans; but there are a few. It's cool, as with the exception of a few little bugs on the windscreen, I understand the interest and occasional hysteria. As, it's the first time in a long time that Floyd will be fighting someone that perceivably can really take him out of his comfort zone, and possibly match/beat him; maybe even KO him. I like Pac too. The guy has steamrolled through the entire world boxing scene (think about that), beaten greats, taken defeats (like almost all great champions have), and is still there on the precipice looking to carve more out of the top-level coalface in the highest levels of the sport. Not many guys do what Floyd and Pacquaio can, have and do, do. You're right about the 147 thingy. I think a lot of people are overlooking that. Floyd will be a middleweight in the ring, with the speed of a light welter (maybe better) come fight night. I am really looking forward to it.


-stormcentre :

Thank you, Stormcentre for a non biased opinion! Look I like Manny, I just don't believe he is better than Floyd! Styles makes fights always has and always will.. and MP style is tailored made for floyd period! I really hope it is a good fight (after waiting 6 years for it), but MP with no defense, fighting a master counter puncher (or eating too many lead right hands), and fighting at 147 and not a catchweight or weight-drained dead fighter...spells doom for MP. Just my honest opinion.
Thanks man. I don't always get it right myself, but I try to, and I try to keep it real. Lotta Pac fans here (for MayPac) and not so many Floyd fans; but there are a few. It's cool, as with the exception of a few little bugs on the windscreen, I understand the interest and occasional hysteria. As, it's the first time in a long time that Floyd will be fighting someone that perceivably can really take him out of his comfort zone, and possibly match/beat him; maybe even KO him. I like Pac too. The guy has steamrolled through the entire world boxing scene (think about that), beaten greats, taken defeats (like almost all great champions have), and is still there on the precipice looking to carve more out of the top-level coalface in the highest levels of the sport. Not many guys do what Floyd and Pacquaio can, have and do, do. You're right about the 147 thingy. I think a lot of people are overlooking that. Floyd will be a middleweight in the ring, with the speed of a light welter (maybe better) come fight night. I am really looking forward to it.


-deepwater2 :

If true, you got to wonder what value (for either guy) it has beating down Judah that bad? Not sure how cool it is/was by Jeff to be saying that kind of stuff anyway (whether it's true or not) about a guy that (if used right can really help you, and) comes all the way from NY to LV to help you prepare; whether you're paying him or not. Agreed, Zab's best days are behind him now; but he still no mug. A lot of really good guys would (and do) get beat up sparring with Floyd at his gym. Remember, even if Pacquaio is better than him, Floyd is still one of the slickest and top operators in this game.
Super Judah lives in Vegas full time. $400,000 gets you a studio apt in park slope BK these days. While $400,000 in Vegas gets you a 4 bedroom townhouse ,with media room, with a pool, on a golf course.


-stormcentre :

Super Judah lives in Vegas full time. $400,000 gets you a studio apt in park slope BK these days. While $400,000 in Vegas gets you a 4 bedroom townhouse ,with media room, with a pool, on a golf course.
Does he really? I didn't know that. I saw a video of him recently with his trainer, and Judah was saying he is living in New York; maybe that was old - but then they were talking about the MayPac fight. How long has he lived in LV full time for D2?


-brownsugar :

Blowing out Zap Judah in sparring or sparking out a lineup of 10 post pubescent amateur standouts means little in the way of predicting a winner, the value exists solely in the promotional buzz such leaks generate for the event. #1..... Possibly soon to become #2 depending on the fight results..... You know Freddy Roach is the number one Hype Man in boxing. Not an hour goes by that some comment he's made regarding the fight doesnt get posted on the internet and possibly some things he never said. From the outside looking in you would think that all Freddy does is sit on a stoop in front of the wildcard gym with a microphone in one hand and a forty ounce of Colt 45 in other and talk syet to a crowd of thronging sports media people all day. When in reality the quotes are 5 second soundbites taken from whomever media persons have access to the gym that day. Regarding the sparring comments.......to his credit ...Jeff Mayweather released a video yesterday apologizing to Floyd jr and Zab Judah for putting the gyms business out in the street because both Floyd and Zab reacted negatively when the news was posted on the internet. Jeff said he was having a personal conversation with someone at the gym which was converted into an interview without his consent. But everybody knows .....what happens in the gyms in Vegas.....stays in Vegas.


-Radam G :

Super Judah lives in Vegas full time. $400,000 gets you a studio apt in park slope BK these days. While $400,000 in Vegas gets you a 4 bedroom townhouse ,with media room, with a pool, on a golf course.
No doubt! You can get a palace in a Sin City for a couple of mil. Super Zab has been a resident of Vegas for about six years. Holla!


-brownsugar :

The latest statement from Roach.. "Floyd got embarrassed into taking the fight". Posted ten minutes ago....there will be more to follow as Roach can do this all day and still get his training obligations done.... The Mayweather camp likes to save it up and respond about every 3 days....but they have more quality content.....I see a pattern developing already


-Radam G :

Apologies from the weasels and squirrels of boxing have to be taken with a grain of salt. Jazzy Jeff will say any syet after drinking a white-sugar-filled malt. His bulljiving, he has no desires to halt. Besides any scribe who can get close to him while Lil Floyd is sparring has been bought. What a sincere apology:
->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=5RM_EPL8rEk. Holla!


-Radam G :

Apologies from the weasels and squirrels of boxing have to be taken with a grain of salt. Jazzy Jeff will say any syet after drinking a white-sugar-filled malt. His bulljiving, he has no desires to halt. Besides any scribe who can get close to him while Lil Floyd is sparring has been bought. What a sincere apology:
->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=5RM_EPL8rEk. Holla!
This is another example of why you take bullsyet getting-beat-up-bulljive coming outta the gym about sparring sessions with a grain of salt.
->http://www.exclusivelife.mobi/1661033-8648259?utm_medium=so. That jive is the lifestyles of the rich and famous of the gym culture. Holla!


-flackoguapo :

Thanks man. I don't always get it right myself, but I try to, and I try to keep it real. Lotta Pac fans here (for MayPac) and not so many Floyd fans; but there are a few. It's cool, as with the exception of a few little bugs on the windscreen, I understand the interest and occasional hysteria. As, it's the first time in a long time that Floyd will be fighting someone that perceivably can really take him out of his comfort zone, and possibly match/beat him; maybe even KO him. I like Pac too. The guy has steamrolled through the entire world boxing scene (think about that), beaten greats, taken defeats (like almost all great champions have), and is still there on the precipice looking to carve more out of the top-level coalface in the highest levels of the sport. Not many guys do what Floyd and Pacquaio can, have and do, do. You're right about the 147 thingy. I think a lot of people are overlooking that. Floyd will be a middleweight in the ring, with the speed of a light welter (maybe better) come fight night. I am really looking forward to it.
Freddie Roach keeps mentioning Floyd is self taught and sees he makes mistakes. Am I missing something that boxing insiders see or is this just big time hype? Not trying to give you extra work
StormC but you see anything there specifically? Floyd can get infatuated with his defense at times in a fight but I see him getting the better of most "exchanges" in his fights. Floyds exchanges tend to be a little different IMO, because he fights out of a weird rhythm and comes in when his opponents are not comfortable. It all seems so calculated. But I'd like to hear if anyone can give insight to what Freddie Roach is saying or did I just get sucked into the BS


-#1 PacFan :

We will have to just wait and see how Floyd reacts when he eats that str8 left hand. Its coming hard and fast. From my view Floyd hasn't really tasted a clean punch like that. All I know is be gets hit by overhands but not flush correct me if I'm wrong though. Remember...$tr8 lefts all day...#1 Pacfan no matter what haha.


-stormcentre :

Freddie Roach keeps mentioning Floyd is self taught and sees he makes mistakes. Am I missing something that boxing insiders see or is this just big time hype? Not trying to give you extra work
StormC but you see anything there specifically? Floyd can get infatuated with his defense at times in a fight but I see him getting the better of most "exchanges" in his fights. Floyds exchanges tend to be a little different IMO, because he fights out of a weird rhythm and comes in when his opponents are not comfortable. It all seems so calculated. But I'd like to hear if anyone can give insight to what Freddie Roach is saying or did I just get sucked into the BS
Pacquaio is - like Kostya Tszyu used to be before fights - such a gentleman that he doesn't promote the fight in ways like most guys (Hopkins, Broner . . etc) normally do; so Roach - whom gets a lot of work both directly and indirectly from Top Rank covers off on that. Not sure if you have ever travelled through Indo-China and/or the Philiphines before, but they're (usually) a pretty humble, easy going, and god fearing crowd. Pacman is too set in these ways to really talk trash; the best he can do it to say he will break Floyd's defence. I like Pac's humble approach, but Roach and those whom financially underpin promotions like this love controversy and tensions, as that sells the show. Roach has been talking crap for years (but he's not alone). Some of it is taken out of context. But (in my opinion) Roach is also nervous (no-one could not be in his {or in Floyd Sr.} position, as they head into a fight like this), and as such he knows that he needs to, at least, try and get in Floyd's head in order to maximize chances of success. No-one needs to be facing Floyd, whilst he has supreme confidence; so Roach tried to chip away at that with comments. As does the Mayweather side about Roach and Pac. Boxing is a psychological game too. Floyd never usually throws predictable combinations, and he rarely fights in a rhythm either; he does this to conserve energy and so that he can't be easily timed. He (when he can) gives his opponent nothing to work off, particularly in the early stages of a fight; all they usually get then is defence and fast single or double leading/counter shots. Then once he knows how they're holding up, going to react, and if they have a plan "B" he starts to break them down. I wouldn't pay too much attention to what Roach says. Sure he's a great guy/trainer, but he also engineered Mickey Ward's last great fight too. :) Floyd doesn't train himself, but he could. Floyd didn't teach himself either; Floyd Sr. did - period. I think that what Floyd Sr. has forgotten about boxing would probably be more than most know; but he has come up from the hard side of town and as such can't always speak in a way that commands respect. Regardless of what he may say in the MayPac fight to Floyd, you can bet your bottom dollar that Floyd Sr. Roger, and Floyd Jr. will have a plan "A", "B", and "C". And that plan (or elements of it) will have also been ratified by other knowledgeable trainers and contacts they know. To them, this (the MayPac fight) is the whole Mayweather family and reputation that is being questioned. Boxing is their life; period. So, to them, this (the MayPac fight) is the same as someone saying you Mayweather cats don't know s.hit. Plus they have already been beaten up by Pac legally over previous allegations. Lot's of people talk about a plan "A", "B", and "C"; but Floyd Sr. and the Mayweathers do it, and they can do it with a guy like Floyd because he has the skills and experience to fight (if he chooses) multiple ways; either defensively or right in front of guys as he did with Canelo, Cotto, and Shane. Roach will have various plans too, but I don't think they will all work unless Pac's aggression is effective; by that I mean capable of busting up Floyd's defence. Remember, everyone has come into the ring with Floyd thinking that/their aggression is the way to win. Floyd got a defence for lefties too. Pac got no defence for no-one. So, we're reliant upon Pac blowing Floyd away with aggression and intensity, and not getting tagged, chin-checked, and made to pay for having no defence, as he does it. Pac - when facing bigger guys - is usually performing his best with the guys that have no defence and a lot of space between their arms/punches; Floyd don't exhibit those traits. Pac - when facing bigger guys - is usually performing his best with the guys that don't have speed to match him. Floyd usually performs best when he can control the pace and tempo of a fight; Pac don't usually allow that. Floyd - when facing fast lefties - usually performs best when he can keep them turning, pat down (hybrid of light-jab/parry) their right jab/hook, and make them reach (control distance) so his turtle defence and timing works best; Pac has shown to be, a bit, susceptible to these individual approaches, but he has never faced an opponent that can do them all and maybe Floyd also can't under this kind of pressure. Floyd could easily (if he chooses) come into the ring at 150 - 152 for this fight, so for those that don't think Floyd can hit hard (please look at Canelo V Floyd; there was a reason Canelo stopped coming forward); even if we accept that view; Manny is not going to like getting tagged by an accurate and fast Floyd (whom, like Pac, retains a lot of speed in his higher weight-guises) with that kind of "mass" and "momentum" behind his shots. Manny is also extremely vulnerable to Floyd's (bread/butter) right hand leads/counters and left hooks if he can't make that left cross work; as Pac is so unbalanced and committed in those scenarios. However, if Manny can make that left cross work and connect; Floyd could go down and the fight may change. Sounds like a good fight to me.


-Radam G :

We will have to just wait and see how Floyd reacts when he eats that str8 left hand. Its coming hard and fast. From my view Floyd hasn't really tasted a clean punch like that. All I know is be gets hit by overhands but not flush correct me if I'm wrong though. Remember...$tr8 lefts all day...#1 Pacfan no matter what haha.
Wow! He won't act well. From the pugvine, da real-real seers in Sin City's Chinatown said that Texan Errol Spence did a QuickDraw and a rodeo on the Petty Boy. And it worried da heck outta Pops Joy. Holla!


-Radam G :

The pugvine is getting straight-up noisy from Chinatown, Sin City, USA. Lil Floyd is getting his confident built up with old, shot sparring mates. Then he has let downs because he can't fine the young guns in that squared jungle. They are too quick on the draw. And are beating Lil Floyd as if he is a captured outlaw. With 38 days to holla at before that bell ring, 38-year-old Lil Floyd has slowed down. His legs are shot. And his so-much-talked-about timing has taken a hike. Maybe it retired and didn't tell Lil Floyd. And doesn't want anything to do with this fight. It won't be anywhere in sight. I'm tellin' y'all. Outta Vegas, da sucka has taken a flight. Hehehe! So much for the Mayweather's great timing. Dat bytch has gone over the wall. OMFG! Lil Floyd is going to fall. With timing gone, he has probably lost it all. The "Curse of 38" is all up in his grill. Money May is aging so quickly that his old arse couldn't climb a molehill. Hahahaha! He better holla at some Bird Nest Soup and mole rats' bulbs. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

Floyd doesn't know to fight forward unless his opponents let him. Canelo IMO is a bum who is overrated with no skills. How do you let a natural boxer walk you down. Great point on how Floyd has a plan A, B, and C. The problem is Floyd never had to go to plan B. His game plan has alwaysbeen outbox his guy until he feels his opponent no llonger sticks to his plan. Shane got away from his game plan from giving May the middle of the ring. Maidana from easing off on the aggression which then gave Floyd room to pot shot. Manny has no plan B because he never goes away from his which is strictly aggression. That means HEART. So Again Floyd never had to go to a plan B. Manny never had to go to a planB. QQuestion is who's plan A will be more effective? I say Manny because of his HEART.


-stormcentre :

Floyd doesn't know to fight forward unless his opponents let him. Canelo IMO is a bum who is overrated with no skills. How do you let a natural boxer walk you down. Great point on how Floyd has a plan A, B, and C. The problem is Floyd never had to go to plan B. His game plan has alwaysbeen outbox his guy until he feels his opponent no llonger sticks to his plan. Shane got away from his game plan from giving May the middle of the ring. Maidana from easing off on the aggression which then gave Floyd room to pot shot. Manny has no plan B because he never goes away from his which is strictly aggression. That means HEART. So Again Floyd never had to go to a plan B. Manny never had to go to a planB. QQuestion is who's plan A will be more effective? I say Manny because of his HEART.
You must be right then. Really well though out, non-bias, and clever post. Brilliant stuff. Can't find any issues with what you have said there. Awesome. :)


-#1 PacFan :

So far Floyd has weathered the storm mother nature has brought upon him but this system is nothing like he's faced in the past. This storm is no pass over it will touch land and battered everything on its path. Manny is a storm like Lampley described it. Typhoon coming across the desert and it will leave a mark.


-Froggy :

[quote=#1 pacfan;78487]so far floyd has weathered the storm mother nature has brought upon him but this system is nothing like he's faced in the past. This storm is no pass over it will touch land and battered everything on its path. Manny is a storm like lampley described it. Typhoon coming across the desert and it will leave a mark.

agreed !


-Radam G :

So far Floyd has weathered the storm mother nature has brought upon him but this system is nothing like he's faced in the past. This storm is no pass over it will touch land and battered everything on its path. Manny is a storm like Lampley described it. Typhoon coming across the desert and it will leave a mark.
No doubt! His bytch @$$ is going to get tore up from da flo' up. Da Manny is going to put a storm on that arse so badly that the whole Fam May and The Money Team are going to throw up. They know what time it is. Every single Mayweather, Peavy and Sinclair who have ever boxed have had their arse handed to them in the month of May. I will just deal with the Fam May Branch. Pop Joys May got TKO da puck out by a 6-6-1 journeyingman pug back in da day. Uncle Roger quit on the stool in a May bout against ATG Julio Caesar Chavez. And Uncle "Jazzy" Jeff got beat in May a couple of time, if my memory serves correct. The undefeated time is up for Vampire Facial Floydoping. That goose egg on his record is going to split like an atom. Hehehehe! Poor Money May does not only have the pug's curse of 38 up in his grill, he has a Fam May curse of defeat in the month of May coming his way. Don't be surprise is he is strangely injured in training camp. Then the dance will be moved July or August. Holla!


-deepwater2 :

floyd just released a clip of his sparring session. anyone know who the sparring partner was? he looked like it could be an mma guy the way he was outfitted. the guy was a southpaw that threw nothing and walked into everything. Looks like floyd is trying to show he still has it but anyone that follows boxing can tell the guy might not have even been a boxer.


-#1 PacFan :

You must be right then. Really well though out, non-bias, and clever post. Brilliant stuff. Can't find any issues with what you have said there. Awesome. :)
Thank you but at the end of the day I could be wrong. Im just pushing for my guy and in the ring anything can happen. But I've watched these guys for a long time. First time I saw Floyd was in the Olympics. I told myself this kid was.going to be great. Great he became I just noticed a.change in his style and choice of opponents he's picked. I grew up as a Dela hoya fan so it wasn't the lost to May weather that got me.bitter. Not bitter just disappointed. Its going to be a helluva fight though.


-#1 PacFan :

No doubt! His bytch @$$ is going to get tore up from da flo' up. Da Manny is going to put a storm on that arse so badly that the whole Fam May and The Money Team are going to throw up. They know what time it is. Every single Mayweather, Peavy and Sinclair who have ever boxed have had their arse handed to them in the month of May. I will just deal with the Fam May Branch. Pop Joys May got TKO da puck out by a 6-6-1 journeyingman pug back in da day. Uncle Roger quit on the stool in a May bout against ATG Julio Caesar Chavez. And Uncle "Jazzy" Jeff got beat in May a couple of time, if my memory serves correct. The undefeated time is up for Vampire Facial Floydoping. That goose egg on his record is going to split like an atom. Hehehehe! Poor Money May does not only have the pug's curse of 38 up in his grill, he has a Fam May curse of defeat in the month of May coming his way. Don't be surprise is he is strangely injured in training camp. Then the dance will be moved July or August. Holla!
Right on!


-#1 PacFan :

floyd just released a clip of his sparring session. anyone know who the sparring partner was? he looked like it could be an mma guy the way he was outfitted. the guy was a southpaw that threw nothing and walked into everything. Looks like floyd is trying to show he still has it but anyone that follows boxing can tell the guy might not have even been a boxer.
Its everyone trying to get an edge psychologically before the bell.


-Froggy :

floyd just released a clip of his sparring session. anyone know who the sparring partner was? he looked like it could be an mma guy the way he was outfitted. the guy was a southpaw that threw nothing and walked into everything. Looks like floyd is trying to show he still has it but anyone that follows boxing can tell the guy might not have even been a boxer.
You made your bet at the right time Deep ! The odds should be just getting closer to even all the time ! Where is the late, big money going to go ? I think I know !


-Radam G :

floyd just released a clip of his sparring session. anyone know who the sparring partner was? he looked like it could be an mma guy the way he was outfitted. the guy was a southpaw that threw nothing and walked into everything. Looks like floyd is trying to show he still has it but anyone that follows boxing can tell the guy might not have even been a boxer.
He was sparring with Cody Crowley:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMtBM-PLe4s. Money May's videography edit the video and apparently put up 15 seconds where Lil Floyd got off. In the actuality of the reality, Lil Floyd could find not the moving-and-grooving, twisting-and-turning kid. You will see in the dance with Da Manny, on May 2 that Lil Floyd's legs are shot. Sparring-mate Texan Errol Spence is doing a job on Lil Floyd. The videographer is not likely to put any part of that sparring session on any social media site. Holla at Da Manny gettin' jiggly with it in sparring sessions:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZtUMg-S8aY. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

He was sparring with Cody Crowley:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RMtBM-PLe4s. Money May's videography edit the video and apparently put up 15 seconds where Lil Floyd got off. In the actuality of the reality, Lil Floyd could find not the moving-and-grooving, twisting-and-turning kid. You will see in the dance with Da Manny, on May 2 that Lil Floyd's legs are shot. Sparring-mate Texan Errol Spence is doing a job on Lil Floyd. The videographer is not likely to put any part of that sparring session on any social media site. Holla at Da Manny gettin' jiggly with it in sparring sessions:
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vZtUMg-S8aY. Holla!
OMG if both fighters come to the ring on May 2nd with that mentality then we are sure to get our $100 worth. We all know Manny will bring it to Floyd but I don't know about Floyd going to bring it to Manny. If Roach is right about Floyds legs being shot(Roach usually is) then that explains why Floyd is focusing on power. Not usually a bad idea for Floyd who is physically bigger than Manny but if you have a 6 inch reach advantage best bet is to use the jab and box. We will see.


-stormcentre :

I tend to have a rule and/or doctrine that I (usually) go by. Believe nothing that's said before a big fight, unless you witness it, or see video of it, 1st hand. The things that were said about how Floyd was in trouble before he fought; Ortiz, Mosley, and Caneo were all very similar. It wasn't that long ago that I have forgotten all the hyperventilating hysteria of those fights and how Floyd was in real trouble then too.


-Scar :

It's amazing how fans take sparring too seriously when the sole purpose of sparring is to try different things out and sometimes intentionally look bad trying to see how you are able to react in the given situation.


-Scar :

OMG if both fighters come to the ring on May 2nd with that mentality then we are sure to get our $100 worth. We all know Manny will bring it to Floyd but I don't know about Floyd going to bring it to Manny. If Roach is right about Floyds legs being shot(Roach usually is) then that explains why Floyd is focusing on power. Not usually a bad idea for Floyd who is physically bigger than Manny but if you have a 6 inch reach advantage best bet is to use the jab and box. We will see.
Pacquiao will eventually force Mayweather to exchange at some point. That's what Marquez, another counter puncher who definitely doesn't compare to Mayweather but a counter puncher nevertheless, was forced to do and was hurt/dropped in the process. If Pacquiao goes in there and stands still in the middle of the ring, he's getting outclassed/whopped one-sided. He needs to use his aggression and speed to the fullest to inevitably force Mayweather to exchange his way out of attacks.


-stormcentre :

One of the best ways to test your defence is to let others lay into you (within reason). Ali used to do this quite frequently and as a result not always look great in sparring for it. Come fight night (when in his prime) he still put it all together when it counted.


-#1 PacFan :

It's amazing how fans take sparring too seriously when the sole purpose of sparring is to try different things out and sometimes intentionally look bad trying to see how you are able to react in the given situation.
Not all boxers benefit from sparring but most do. It prepares you for the unexpected depending on what type of fighter style wise you put in there. Even if most will say that Judah will not emalute Pacquiaos style which is true but it prepares the brain knowing you are going to see the southpaw stance. Knowing where all the punches are coming from in terms of angles. Same can be said for Manny as Roach pick fighters with speed. The only thing is sparring doesn't prepare you when a certain punch is coming.


-Radam G :

It's amazing how fans take sparring too seriously when the sole purpose of sparring is to try different things out and sometimes intentionally look bad trying to see how you are able to react in the given situation.
It is amazing also that fighters "take sparring too seriously." Apparently you have forgotten about gym wars and gym fighters. Some pugs do their best fighting in the gym. They are known as professional sparring partners/gymfighters. And for a lot of them, that is the only scrapping that they do. Professional sparring cats like Stevie Forbes and Rashad Wallace go years in da game only serving as sparring partners and never fighting in real bouts. And they have made more money in that occupation than they would have ever made in actual bouts. There are many parts to the puzzle of da game of professional pugging. So we should never get fast on the draw to yak, hak and attack with self righteousness. Holla!


-Scar :

It is amazing also that fighters "take sparring too seriously." Apparently you have forgotten about gym wars and gym fighters. Some pugs do their best fighting in the gym. They are known as professional sparring partners/gymfighters. And for a lot of them, that is the only scrapping that they do. Professional sparring cats like Stevie Forbes and Rashad Wallace go years in da game only serving as sparring partners and never fighting in real bouts. And they have made more money in that occupation than they would have ever made in actual bouts. There are many parts to the puzzle of da game of professional pugging. So we should never get fast on the draw to yak, hak and attack with self righteousness. Holla!
Indeed, they do their best because they imitate other fighters and help other who are already scheduled to fight prepare for their opponents. It is technically practicing and trying different things out. Sparring isn't a challenge for professional fighters scheduled to fight, it's a part of the training camp where you practice a new style/maneuver...etc. Regarding Forbes, I can easily see why and how he would do great as a sparring partner. He has a very difficult style to handle and is known to make anyone look bad in there with his durable style. He would be the ideal sparring partner for anyone preparing to fight due to his abilities.


-Scar :

Not all boxers benefit from sparring but most do. It prepares you for the unexpected depending on what type of fighter style wise you put in there. Even if most will say that Judah will not emalute Pacquiaos style which is true but it prepares the brain knowing you are going to see the southpaw stance. Knowing where all the punches are coming from in terms of angles. Same can be said for Manny as Roach pick fighters with speed. The only thing is sparring doesn't prepare you when a certain punch is coming.
It can, in many occasions, prepare you when a certain punch is coming. I'll use Amir Khan as an example, even though he's a terrible example simply because he's predictable and basic but only prevails due to his freakish speed, he usually hops in with one twos. So basically preparing for that you pretty much develop a counter punch that you can literally throw and catch his predictable approach blindly. You can pretty much exploit overly used punches your upcoming opponent throws by preparing for it in sparring. Boxing is extremely psychological, more-so than it is physical to be honest. That's why faster reactions(due to fast thinking) usually prevails in there.


-Radam G :

Indeed, they do their best because they imitate other fighters and help other who are already scheduled to fight prepare for their opponents. It is technically practicing and trying different things out. Sparring isn't a challenge for professional fighters scheduled to fight, it's a part of the training camp where you practice a new style/maneuver...etc. Regarding Forbes, I can easily see why and how he would do great as a sparring partner. He has a very difficult style to handle and is known to make anyone look bad in there with his durable style. He would be the ideal sparring partner for anyone preparing to fight due to his abilities.
Again! There are different types of sparring partners/ gym fighters. There are the ones that imitate, as you said. And there are those who just fight you. Who will kick your arse and show you up, if you let them. Their tude is to rule that gym. And f*** you if they can. And the trainer want them to do that. There is a bounty of a $1,000 for any sparring mate that put Da Manny on his arse. Boxing is "the theatre of the unexpected." And great trainers want to give you that look. They don't want you comfortable and wuzzy footing in training. Because you will and/or might do it in the fight. My friend, again, apparently you never heard of the gym wars in Philly or the back-in-the-day ones at the Knonk Gym in Detriot. Holla!


-stormcentre :

If Joan Guzman was around and still in good shape, I reckon he would be one of the best guys for Pac to get in camp to emulate Mayweather; or at least provide a very slick look. That guy is one of the best boxers I have seen.


-Radam G :

There will always be half truths and whole d@mn lies in da game.
->http://thaboxingvoice.com/ellerbe-says-mayweather-was-not-kod-by.judah-in-sparring-stays-employed/42738?var=no. Duper [$??] Jab didn't get the heck and hebejeebeez beat outta him. And Lil Vampire Facial Floydoping stumbled and fell on his arse because of his new elongated-shoe size and new headgear size. Whenever the fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia holla at your training camp, your darn doggs and cranium start rapidly growing. And don't try to say that it is just a Tim Bradley DNA thing. Holla!


-SuperLight :

One of the best ways to test your defence is to let others lay into you (within reason). Ali used to do this quite frequently and as a result not always look great in sparring for it. Come fight night (when in his prime) he still put it all together when it counted.
Makes a lot of sense. I guess sparring can be useful for getting technical and/or knowing whether you can take a belting (or avoid one!). Curious to know how early Ali was taking this approach. He looked rather different fighting Williams than he did Frazier or Foreman.


-Radam G :

Makes a lot of sense. I guess sparring can be useful for getting technical and/or knowing whether you can take a belting (or avoid one!). Curious to know how early Ali was taking this approach. He looked rather different fighting Williams than he did Frazier or Foreman.
GOAT Ali didn't take that approach until as Lil Floyd has done, he lost his legs. GOAT Ali could not move against the late, great Frazier and Rev. Foreman as he could against the gunshot-in-the-belly-by-a-crookie-racist-cop Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Personally i hope the rumors are true l. If Floyd got dropped by a bodyshot by Zab this could be the best thing that could have happened to him. It will make him improve, sharpen his focus and increase his resolve. Erroll Spence blacked his eye before the Canelo fight...and Floyd has never looked sharper than he did in picking apart the Mexican prodigy. Mayweather is the type who tends to thrive in adversity.


-Radam G :

Personally i hope the rumors are true l. If Floyd got dropped by a bodyshot by Zab this could be the best thing that could have happened to him. It will make him improve, sharpen his focus and increase his resolve. Erroll Spence blacked his eye before the Canelo fight...and Floyd has never looked sharper than he did in picking apart the Mexican prodigy. Mayweather is the type who tends to thrive in adversity.
The rumors are exaggerated. But Vampire Facial Floydoping is no longer one of the sharp knife in the craving-up business. Holla!


-brownsugar :

The rumors are exaggerated. But Vampire Facial Floydoping is no long one of the sharp knife in the craving-up business. Holla!
Thats what the said about Manny after he took a prolonged nap on the canvas. Anything is possible in boxing.


-Radam G :

Thats what the said about Manny after he took a prolonged nap on the canvas. Anything is possible in boxing.
Know nothing must be "The[y]. And they don't know a darn thing about boksing. No fighter is finished after a lotto punch struck him after he was fouled and caused him in your word to "nap." It is a part of the business. Eighty percent of all time greats have taken a nap. If you count their amateur bouts, it would be 95 percent. Haters are going to alway talk syet, but they don't know spit. And they are full of fantasy and bullsyet. And they think that they are smart and cute with it. I can literally name tons of ATGs who got bytch-lotto-ed knocked out. And they all came by and spanked arse. Hulkquez knows that Da Manny would have kayoed him before long and will kayo him in a rematch, i.e., the same as Lennox Lewis did Hashim Rahman. Marquez is smart not to let that happen by never fighting Da Manny again. And it is no big deal or news that Super Zab knocked down the Vampire Facial Floydoping in sparring anyway. He did the same darn thing in a yesteryear bout. And VFF came back and kicked his arse. Floydikes and Flomos are acting like abused girls defending an abuser or their pimp. Holla!


-Radam G :

Even the BIGGEST syet talkers on The Money Team have gotten KTFO. Pops Joy May and Uncle Roger -- both canvas kissers -- are just talking smack and are hoping that Vampire Facial Lil Floydoping won't badly crack. He is scared as syet. And already has a built-in excuse that "the white man is going to me for that d@mn Filipino," he has been heard saying. "Imma have to knock dat midget muthafu**** out.... Put his bytch @$$ to sleep again like Marquez did dat ho." C'mon, MAN! We like in the age of spying. Electronic ease dropping can even put up that ease doping that Memo is getting down with in Camp VFLF. USADA ought cut the crap. And VFLF is in a bytch trap. And to beat his arse, Da Manny has a map. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Know nothing must be "The[y]. And they don't know a darn thing about boksing. No fighter is finished after a lotto punch struck him after he was fouled and caused him in your word to "nap." It is a part of the business. Eighty percent of all time greats have taken a nap. If you count their amateur bouts, it would be 95 percent. Haters are going to alway talk syet, but they don't know spit. And they are full of fantasy and bullsyet. And they think that they are smart and cute with it. I can literally name tons of ATGs who got bytch-lotto-ed knocked out. And they all came by and spanked arse. Hulkquez knows that Da Manny would have kayoed him before long and will kayo him in a rematch, i.e., the same as Lennox Lewis did Hashim Rahman. Marquez is smart not to let that happen by never fighting Da Manny again. And it is no big deal or news that Super Zab knocked down the Vampire Facial Floydoping in sparring anyway. He did the same darn thing in a yesteryear bout. And VFF came back and kicked his arse. Floydikes and Flomos are acting like abused girls defending an abuser or their pimp. Holla!
Well then RG...it sounds like you wont be surprised to see the all time great Manny get knocked out a second time... If he is as great as you say he needs to be KO"d again to meat his quota for getting KO'd to keep up with the big dogs. This time by a fighter who used the same beauty treatment as Kim Kardasian... How ironic is that? I see you have reverted back to your impotent personal attacks...nothin new.. Just not my style.. Just tell ya boy to keep his chin tucked..


-Radam G :

Well then RG...it sounds like you wont be surprised to see the all time great Manny get knocked out a second time... If he is as great as you say he needs to be KO"d again to meat his quota for getting KO'd to keep up with the big dogs. This time by a fighter who used the same beauty treatment as Kim Kardasian... How ironic is that? I see you have reverted back to your impotent personal attacks...nothin new.. Just not my style.. Just tell ya boy to keep his chin tucked..
Sorry! But you missed your raving and ranting this time. VFLF is going to get his arse handed to him. We are dealing with the actuality of the reality. The fantasies of jiving and fooling of many are over. Nobody can run from or turn away from destiny. Showtime made VFLF give up to dance with Da Manny. And it ain't gonna be beauty as he does his body with dat syet and plenty of the "same beauty treatment as Kim Kardasian" -- with her steroid-fed big arse. Catch up, my man! I know what time it is -- nano and super acceleration technology in drugs, food and reproduction. Maybe you are still behind the times. But NEWS FLASH: This is 2015 and we have advanced more in the last 50 years than our ancestors did in a mil. Doing your youth didn't the GOAT Ali tell your generation that it was the "Jet Age." "Everything can and is happening quickly," he said. Just defend your boy with ignorance. He and his fam know the season and the reason. And on many arses, he has been playing treason. Now is time for him to face his conqueror. Holla!