What Would The Nevada Commission Do If Floyd or Manny Tested Positive?

Really nobody wants to go there, and ponder the route to take should the unthinkable happen, and one of the fighters involved in the May 2 super fight, boxing’s Super Bowl, the Clash for all the Cash, test positive for a  banned substance, a PED.

But anyone involved in the sport at any high level, with any length of time in the game, knows that it is wise to consider all possible variables, and even some imponderables.

The Twittersphere churned on Thursday night, when the LA Times reporter Lance Pugmire broke a story that touched on what might happen if, say, Floyd Mayweather tested positive in the lead-up to May 2. Team Pacquiao wanted to insert a clause in the contract for the bout which would penalize Floyd $5 million for the infraction, reported Pugmire, and Team Mayweather balked. The Twittersphere barked, with Mannyiacs bellowing that Floyd’s stance indicated a guilty conscience. The Floyd rooters pointed out that just maybe the “Money” man realized that a mere $5 million penalty, aimed at either fighter should their sample come up dirty, would be a mere pittance in the grand scheme of things, and posited the theory that maybe any penalty would be a much grander sum.

The whole kerfuffle led me to ponder what might happen if one or in a beyond ludicrous scenario, both men tested positive. I think the chances of that are slim, and near none, myself, as I am of the mindset that I will assume guys are fighting clean unless incontrovertible evidence is presented to me. Regardless, I reached out to Bob Bennett, a man who served in the Marines and then the FBI for 24 1/2 years, and currently serves as the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I wanted to get a sense of what the NSAC would do if Floyd or Manny tested positive prior to their May 2 tangle.

Bennett, who lived in Queens, and Long Island, has been a Vegas guy for the last 30 years. He sound reverently pumped up for the “megafight of the century” and noted that he’d been present, at Madison Square Garden, for the last such mega-fight, when Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali acquainted themselves with such violent intimacy. It was clear to me that Bennett had a law enforcement man’s POV toward the possibility of either man testing positive, and to that end, would be ready to deal fully with the case should circumstances warrant, but found elongated trafficking in a hypothetical to be a not fully fruitful intellectual exercise. “Both these fighters have been so successful fighting in Las Vegas, and I believe it is highly unlikely for either to test positive for a PED,” he told me.

Bennett noted that USADA is the testing body tasked with doing the testing of the athletes. Should a positive pop up, his body would do an investigation. They would seek to confirm the result with USDADA, and consider testing the ‘B’ sample, a second sample, though that would not be a given, he told me. Chain of custody of the sample, be it blood and/or urine, would be established, Bennett continued, to make sure nothing was compromised. If a positive sample proved to be just that, then USADA protocol would be followed, he said. “Immediately, the matter would be brought to the attention of the chairman of the commission (Francisco Aguilar). He’d call for a commission meeting. A deputy attorney general would draft a “disciplinary complaint,” Bennett said. A hearing, featuring the athlete who’d tested positive, would be scheduled before the commission. “Determination of consequences to the fighter who tested positive” would be decided, he said. The chairman and the commission would mull a proper response, and might receive and incorporate information from pertinent witnesses, Bennett said. The fighter would be under oath at the hearing, for the record. “If the fight would continue or not would depend on the decision of the chairman and the commission,” he said. So there you go…the fight could conceivably be cancelled, even at the 11th hour. No, Bennett told me, the magnitude of this event would not affect the decision of the judging parties. “Of course it’s a mega-fight,” the ex FBI man stated. “But the facts are the facts. Listen, I wouldn’t expect either man to test positive for performance enhancing drugs.”

Bennett said of course the contractual elements the two athletes agreed to would factor in to such a matter, in theory, and in fact, if they agree to some sort of monetary penalty, that wouldn’t affect in any way, shape or form on the manner of investigation by the regulatory body.

One question bopping around the Twittersphere involved the ability of USDADA to level a sanction or ban on a fighter testing positive. Again, Bennett said, the contractual terms between the fighters would have to be respected, but he made clear the fighters are licensed by the state, and his organization would be adhering to their rules and regulations.

Bennett said he’s known Mayweather to be an advocate for stringent testing, and all in all, he seems to have faith in the character of the athletes that they will play by the rules, and truly, on May 2, the best man will win, without resorting to usage of any odious chemical propellant.

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COMMENTS

-Radam G :

It will be hidden. As highly reliable scribes have reported about Sin City's Golden Goose pug. That dude was so dirty with it that the corrupted powers that be raised the ratio to protect him and dat stash. I ain't hatin' 'em! The corrupted NSAC can overrule USADA findings, as NSAC did VADA back in da day. This testing is a sideshow. Not a serious thing. I don't know how many pugs got waivers for being dirty last year and in recent yesteryears, but I suspect that it has been a lot. Holla!


-Radam G :

The greatest peddler of dat syet of our time is calling a spade a spade and is just saying that USADA is full of syet and is using deception.
->http://www.philboxing.com/news/story-105532.html. The corrupted NSAC knows it. And by the way, Da Manny is enrolled in VADA and is always and often tested year round if he is in training or not. Y'all already what Lil Floyd does. Holla!


-michigan400 :

Floyd and team made a big stink, pointing fingers and making derogatory comments about some mythical, even magical, juice Manny was allegedly taking. Now they dispute fine amounts, why? If hes so clean why worry if its 5 billion? This is karma at its finest. Dirty or not, I dont know. But the finger pointing is now towards TMT. You reap what you sow!


-razorramon :

@ radam g. you are dead spot, this is all about business. Everything is about the Benjamin, I won't be surprise if a controversial decision will favor floyd for this fight. Keeping floyd fighting will benefit Nevada and las vagas. I hope Pac will be on his toe and knock this a$$ole out or beaten red blooded face, then let floyd win for the sake of business


-razorramon :

120 million dollars earning in one fight can easily buy a referee, judges and the commission and still have enough dollars left for a comfortable life. hopefully this doesn't happen for the sake of the sport and fans.


-Froggy :

I would like to think I'm wrong, but if Floyd was caught it would probably never be known to the public on the other hand if Manny was caught it could be used as an excuse to cancel the fight ! Just to much money involved for anything to happen !


-Radam G :

I would like to think I'm wrong, but if Floyd was caught it would probably never be known to the public on the other hand if Manny was caught it could be used as an excuse to cancel the fight ! Just to much money involved for anything to happen !
You are not wrong. To the general, know-nothing public nothing will be known. But people in da game with connections and those who are in the loop of the poop, they will always get da scoop. Money May has been on dat syet, PERIOD! And those crooks in power who can make syet disappear, made Lil Floyd's dirty happenings disappear by hook, book and double crook. I won't halt saying it. The Nevada's standard were raised from 4-to-1 to 6-to-1 and people who are now running VADA were forced to resigned from the corrupted NSAC for being honest Doc Maggie -- I mean Janes -- and Jacks. My friend, you are dealing with organized CRIME and CORRUPTION at the highest level. But da BIG Moolah make _____ ____ ____! Holla!


-Radam G :

There is no shame in Money May's game. He hides in plain sight with his tricks of the trade. Anybody who is not a fake and snake always ready to handsnake and go along to get along know da regs of da game. One of those regs is that you don't take blood out of your arms and then mix Hulkish chemicals with it and put it back into your body. Holla at how Money May is admitting to blood doping under the mirage of getting vampire facials.
->http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CPpGeyND1DY. The months or so that his bytch arse is healing, USADA is checking him. NYET! Holla!


-pikon :

Like I said in my previous comment If Mayweather is tested positive the fight will go on as scheduled..Those who don't believe it knows nothing what's going on in boxing..That's why the suggested penalty of $5M is not enough to discourage Floyd from using PEDS knowing Heredia is on his side..


-Radam G :

Like I said in my previous comment If Mayweather is tested positive the fight will go on as scheduled..Those who don't believe it knows nothing what's going on in boxing..That's why the suggested penalty of $5M is not enough to discourage Floyd from using PEDS knowing Heredia is on his side..
You have to holla at this video. Warning! It is full of potty-mouth language. But it the actuality of the reality.
->HTTPS://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1dYWPZvkBRQ. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

I believe Manny and Co pushed for this 5 mil dollar penalty if one should test negative to protect them financially. They already know that if Floyd tests positive for some reason they will still get 5 mil dollars because this fight will definitely come to a halt. This also proves Manny and his team that they truly are and have been clean from the beginning. I was disappointed to hear that Floyd rejected this because I actually thought he was the forefront of making this sport clean. I'm beginning to be suspicious about all this.


-Radam G :

I believe Manny and Co pushed for this 5 mil dollar penalty if one should test negative to protect them financially. They already know that if Floyd tecocainests positive for some reason they will still get 5 mil dollars because this fight will definitely come to a halt. This also proves Manny and his team that they truly are and have been clean from the beginning. I was disappointed to hear that Floyd rejected this because I actually thought he was the forefront of making this sport clean. I'm beginning to be suspicious about all this.
Wow! You have always been suspicious. Mayweathers are big bullsyetters. Money May's pops always preached being healthy and clean to Lil Floyd while Big Floyd was a dope pusher and dope user while boxing. Look how drugged up his looked in dat squared jungle back in da day with Sugar Ray Leonard before the bout started. The drug of choice back then believed to give you an edge was "$now" and "dust" --powdered cocaine. Many pugs of those days became coke heads. Big Floyd was one of them. Holla!


-Radam G :

Holla at how all the crooks are fronting:
->www.badlefthook.com/2015/3/20/8262155/tmt-flirting-with-possible-warning-from-usada. They don't want Money May and Memo to look obvious with ev'ybodee and dey momma knowing that USADA is on the take or incompetent. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

Wow! You have always been suspicious. Mayweathers are big bullsyetters. Money May's pops always preached being healthy and clean to Lil Floyd while Big Floyd was a dope pusher and dope user while boxing. Look how drugged up his looked in dat squared jungle back in da day with Sugar Ray Leonard before the bout started. The drug of choice back then believed to give you an edge was "$now" and "dust" --powdered cocaine. Many pugs of those days became coke heads. Big Floyd was one of them. Holla!
Floyd is using some type of legal enhancers that are popularly used by body builders and movie stars. It is believed to be effective at muscle gain in a short period.


-Radam G :

Floyd is using some type of legal enhancers that are popularly used by body builders and movie stars. It is believed to be effective at muscle gain in a short period.
True DA! He's vain. He wants that body to be popping and looking like all dat and a bag of chips. He got a chef cooking him meals at $4,000 a day. By fight time, he would have paid about half a million-dollar for Whup-@$ foods. Hopefully, the best of the best. Holla!


-kidcanvas :

this will be no Ali / Frazer thats for sure...floyds as exciting as gout ,especially after 5 yrs of going down the slope ..


-stormcentre :


This also proves Manny and his team that they truly are and have been clean from the beginning.
How?
->http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-mayweather-right-on-5-million-fine-debate--88779


-michigan400 :

Manny was dirty and Floyd was boxings savior with no proof a few years ago so why cant the roles reverse with no proof. This latest "no proof" is far more telling than some moron talking about magical meth that makes you bullet proof.


-stormcentre :

Both guys have been surrounded by PEDs for years.
->https://youtu.be/EbEqQPJJGs4?t=3m52s [ insert link(s) here showing Floyd's bouncers and gym buddies and fighters that have al been busted for interesting and PED related substances ] And whilst we're talking conspiracy and other (unproven) theories we may as well float how it could just be that Floyd has Ariza so he knows Pacquaio will be clean. After all, we're yet to hear from anyone that runs a gym (like Roach does; see above link) that Floyd has been to - let alone trains from everyday - that has asked a S&C trainer to leave (as Roach has; see above link) because he won't say what's in digestible substances provided to him; which is pretty close to admitting . . . . . I think there's going to be a lot of surprised people after this fight.


-stormcentre :

Both guys have been surrounded by PEDs for years.
->https://youtu.be/EbEqQPJJGs4?t=3m52s [ insert link(s) here showing Floyd's bouncers and gym buddies and fighters that have al been busted for interesting and PED related substances ] And whilst we're talking conspiracy and other (unproven) theories we may as well float how it could just be that Floyd has Ariza so he knows Pacquaio will be clean. After all, we're yet to hear from anyone that runs a gym (like Roach does; see above link) that Floyd has been to - let alone trains from everyday - that has asked a S&C trainer to leave (as Roach has; see above link) because he won't say what's in digestible substances provided to him; which is pretty close to admitting . . . . . I think there's going to be a lot of surprised people after this fight.


-Radam G :

Manny was dirty and Floyd was boxings savior with no proof a few years ago so why cant the roles reverse with no proof. This latest "no proof" is far more telling than some moron talking about magical meth that makes you bullet proof.
Lil Floyd is the metaphoric bullet proof pug of all times. He can tell you that he is straight-up blood doping in plain sight.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLd8FlOhtsM And the corrupted powers that be won't do syet about it because Lil Floyd can change the rules by claiming "vampire facials" -- beautifying procedures through blood doping -- because, after all, he is the "Pretty Boy Floyd." And he gotta look good for his homos -- I mean Flomos. Hehe! Holla!


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial - even if we accept the video link's personalities claims within post #22 (
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20307-What-Would-The-Nevada-Commission-Do-If-Floyd-or-Manny-Tested-Positive&p=78302&viewfull=1#post78302 ) - would only involve storing blood (if it were blood as we know it) for approximately 20 - 30 minutes; before it was reintroduced. Typically, blood dopers (autologous method) extract their own blood and then store it for a good deal longer than a day; usually weeks. Then just before competition they will reintroduce it. By then, and these are some of the important points to consider when thinking if a vampire facial is the same as performance blood doping; 1) Their own blood count would have created more blood and completely compensated for the extracted blood. 2) The reintroduced blood will unnaturally (because there is more blood than normal) cause an increase in red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin. 3) The reintroduced blood will also naturally (because the new {or is "old" a better word} blood now reintroduced stimulates the bodies' natural red blood cell count further {as the guy in the video link within post #22 rightly claims}, which, in turn, then also creates much more of both it and haemoglobin; which is the protein within red blood cells that; 3a) Ensures it is responsible for the "red" colour of blood. 3b) Is responsible for carrying oxygen, transporting it, and also releasing the oxygen to the bodies' muscles and other cells In addition, "red" blood cells also can carry *
waste products such as
carbon dioxide, some of which is also carried by haemoglobin (but at a different place from where haemoglobin carries the oxygen). The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide is dissolved in the
plasma - which is the yellowy (
plasma) stuff in the video that is injected "back" into the patient's face and skin; because it has other properties that are beneficial to aesthetics. Clearly from above, there is a problem with thinking that injecting the yellow plasma constitutes blood doping. Firstly, since the yellow plasma was not red it therefore could not have very much haemoglobin in it (that was all in the red substance at the bottom of the vial that was not wanted by the beautician). Even haemoglobin without much oxygen in it is still noticeable, and this is because haemoglobin has an iron atom at its centre; which means that when the iron is bound to oxygen it gets its red colour (and is then technically called oxyhameoglobin). However, when haemoglobin is without much oxygen - for the same above (iron-atom) reasons - it then (technically called deoxygenated haemoglobin, and is) a blue-red colour. The blood discarded and not used in the vampire facial was red; so therefore the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually "throwing away" that small amount of oxygenated blood and haemoglobin that had had any hope of being a sporting benefit to Floyd. This doesn't matter though, because the amount of blood the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually discarding had no hope of ever being any benefit to Floyd; because the amount was too small and not stored long enough before being reintroduced. Now; A) Given that - even if Floyd waited 1 day - for the blood taken (at the vampire facial beauty parlour) to be re-injected - that would still be more than 40 times longer than Floyd was really without his own (small amount of) blood - which (even at 40 times longer) - is still approximately (at best) 13 days less than the (minimum) time most blood dopers usually store their extracted blood, before reintroducing it, and giving time for their bodies to naturally reproduce red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and the haemoglobin protein. B) Since haemoglobin is responsible for the "red" colour of blood, and the substance shown in the above-mentioned video that (was separated from the "red" blood via a centrifuge, and) was being re-injected into client's faces, was actually both yellow and (from *above) also the same *waste substance that the body naturally uses to transport remaining waste products, such as carbon dioxide (which is dissolved in the plasma that was being re-injected). The chances that Floyd received any significant and worthwhile blood doping benefit from the "vampire facial" is extremely doubtable. That is, unless, injecting; 1) The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide that is commonly dissolved in the (yellow) plasma has suddenly become the latest PED. 2) A substance that does not carry oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin has, also, suddenly become the latest PED. "(Which doesn't make sense - as the whole purpose of blood doping is to increase the, erythrocytes, haemoglobin, and oxygen count within the blood and the bodies' muscles and tissues; with a (lot of a) substance that carries oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin). " 3) (Let's just say what was separated in the centrifuge and then injected into people's faces is both the colour "red" and also enriched oxygen carrying haemoglobin {which it was not}); a very small amount of blood (much smaller than normally used in successful blood doping scams) that has only been out of the body for around 30 minutes (660 times less than the normal minimum for blood doping storage before reintroduction) has, also, suddenly become the latest blood doping craze - despite typical blood doping trends normally involving/requiring both large amounts of blood and at least a few weeks storage of it, before reintroduction. Time to get a new theory vampire facial blood doping subscribers. Oh, a drop of blood contains millions of red blood cells, or erythrocytes. Keep it real.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial - even if we accept the video link's personalities claims within post #22 (
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20307-What-Would-The-Nevada-Commission-Do-If-Floyd-or-Manny-Tested-Positive&p=78302&viewfull=1#post78302 ) - would only involve storing blood (if it were blood as we know it) for approximately 20 - 30 minutes; before it was reintroduced. Typically, blood dopers (autologous method) extract their own blood and then store it for a good deal longer than a day; usually weeks. Then just before competition they will reintroduce it. By then, and these are some of the important points to consider when thinking if a vampire facial is the same as performance blood doping; 1) Their own blood count would have created more blood and completely compensated for the extracted blood. 2) The reintroduced blood will unnaturally (because there is more blood than normal) cause an increase in red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin. 3) The reintroduced blood will also naturally (because the new {or is "old" a better word} blood now reintroduced stimulates the bodies' natural red blood cell count further {as the guy in the video link within post #22 rightly claims}, which, in turn, then also creates much more of both it and haemoglobin; which is the protein within red blood cells that; 3a) Ensures it is responsible for the "red" colour of blood. 3b) Is responsible for carrying oxygen, transporting it, and also releasing the oxygen to the bodies' muscles and other cells In addition, "red" blood cells also can carry *
waste products such as
carbon dioxide, some of which is also carried by haemoglobin (but at a different place from where haemoglobin carries the oxygen). The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide is dissolved in the
plasma - which is the yellowy (
plasma) stuff in the video that is injected "back" into the patient's face and skin; because it has other properties that are beneficial to aesthetics. Clearly from above, there is a problem with thinking that injecting the yellow plasma constitutes blood doping. Firstly, since the yellow plasma was not red it therefore could not have very much haemoglobin in it (that was all in the red substance at the bottom of the vial that was not wanted by the beautician). Even haemoglobin without much oxygen in it is still noticeable, and this is because haemoglobin has an iron atom at its centre; which means that when the iron is bound to oxygen it gets its red colour (and is then technically called oxyhameoglobin). However, when haemoglobin is without much oxygen - for the same above (iron-atom) reasons - it then (technically called deoxygenated haemoglobin, and is) a blue-red colour. The blood discarded and not used in the vampire facial was red; so therefore the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually "throwing away" that small amount of oxygenated blood and haemoglobin that had had any hope of being a sporting benefit to Floyd. This doesn't matter though, because the amount of blood the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually discarding had no hope of ever being any benefit to Floyd; because the amount was too small and not stored long enough before being reintroduced. Now; A) Given that - even if Floyd waited 1 day - for the blood taken (at the vampire facial beauty parlour) to be re-injected - that would still be more than 40 times longer than Floyd was really without his own (small amount of) blood - which (even at 40 times longer) - is still approximately (at best) 13 days less than the (minimum) time most blood dopers usually store their extracted blood, before reintroducing it, and giving time for their bodies to naturally reproduce red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and the haemoglobin protein. B) Since haemoglobin is responsible for the "red" colour of blood, and the substance shown in the above-mentioned video that (was separated from the "red" blood via a centrifuge, and) was being re-injected into client's faces, was actually both yellow and (from *above) also the same *waste substance that the body naturally uses to transport remaining waste products, such as carbon dioxide (which is dissolved in the plasma that was being re-injected). The chances that Floyd received any significant and worthwhile blood doping benefit from the "vampire facial" is extremely doubtable. That is, unless, injecting; 1) The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide that is commonly dissolved in the (yellow) plasma has suddenly become the latest PED. 2) A substance that does not carry oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin has, also, suddenly become the latest PED. "(Which doesn't make sense - as the whole purpose of blood doping is to increase the, erythrocytes, haemoglobin, and oxygen count within the blood and the bodies' muscles and tissues; with a (lot of a) substance that carries oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin). " 3) (Let's just say what was separated in the centrifuge and then injected into people's faces is both the colour "red" and also enriched oxygen carrying haemoglobin {which it was not}); a very small amount of blood (much smaller than normally used in successful blood doping scams) that has only been out of the body for around 30 minutes (660 times less than the normal minimum for blood doping storage before reintroduction) has, also, suddenly become the latest blood doping craze - despite typical blood doping trends normally involving/requiring both large amounts of blood and at least a few weeks storage of it, before reintroduction. Time to get a new theory vampire facial blood doping subscribers. Oh, a drop of blood contains millions of red blood cells, or erythrocytes. Keep it real.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial - even if we accept the video link's personalities claims within post #22 (
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20307-What-Would-The-Nevada-Commission-Do-If-Floyd-or-Manny-Tested-Positive&p=78302&viewfull=1#post78302 ) - would only involve storing blood (if it were blood as we know it) for approximately 20 - 30 minutes; before it was reintroduced. Typically, blood dopers (autologous method) extract their own blood and then store it for a good deal longer than a day; usually weeks. Then just before competition they will reintroduce it. By then, and these are some of the important points to consider when thinking if a vampire facial is the same as performance blood doping; 1) Their own blood count would have created more blood and completely compensated for the extracted blood. 2) The reintroduced blood will unnaturally (because there is more blood than normal) cause an increase in red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin. 3) The reintroduced blood will also naturally (because the new {or is "old" a better word} blood now reintroduced stimulates the bodies' natural red blood cell count further {as the guy in the video link within post #22 rightly claims}) create much more red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin; which, coincidentally, is the protein within red blood cells that; 3a) Ensures it is responsible for the "red" colour of blood. 3b) Is responsible for carrying oxygen, transporting it, and also releasing the oxygen to the bodies' muscles and other cells In addition, "red" blood cells also can carry *
waste products such as
carbon dioxide, some of which is also carried by haemoglobin (but at a different place from where haemoglobin carries the oxygen). The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide is dissolved in the
plasma - which is the yellowy (
plasma) stuff in the video that is injected "back" into the patient's face and skin; because it has other properties that are beneficial to aesthetics. Clearly from above, there is a problem with thinking that injecting the yellow plasma constitutes blood doping. Firstly, since the yellow plasma was not red it therefore could not have very much haemoglobin in it (that was all in the red substance at the bottom of the vial that was not wanted by the beautician). Even haemoglobin without much oxygen in it is still noticeable, and this is because haemoglobin has an iron atom at its centre; which means that when the iron is bound to oxygen it gets its red colour (and is then technically called oxyhameoglobin). However, when haemoglobin is without much oxygen - for the same above (iron-atom) reasons - it then (technically called deoxygenated haemoglobin, and is) a blue-red colour. The blood discarded and not used in the vampire facial was red; so therefore the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually "throwing away" that small amount of oxygenated blood and haemoglobin that had had any hope of being a sporting benefit to Floyd. This doesn't matter though, because the amount of blood the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually discarding had no hope of ever being any benefit to Floyd; because the amount was too small and not stored long enough before being reintroduced. Now; A) Given that - even if Floyd waited 1 day - for the blood taken (at the vampire facial beauty parlour) to be re-injected - that would still be more than 40 times longer than Floyd was really without his own (small amount of) blood - which (even at 40 times longer) - is still approximately (at best) 13 days less than the (minimum) time most blood dopers usually store their extracted blood, before reintroducing it, and giving time for their bodies to naturally reproduce red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and the haemoglobin protein. B) Since haemoglobin is responsible for the "red" colour of blood, and the substance shown in the above-mentioned video that (was separated from the "red" blood via a centrifuge, and) was being re-injected into client's faces, was actually both yellow and (from *above) also the same *waste substance that the body naturally uses to transport remaining waste products, such as carbon dioxide (which is dissolved in the plasma that was being re-injected). The chances that Floyd received any significant and worthwhile blood doping benefit from the "vampire facial" is extremely doubtable. That is, unless, injecting; 1) The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide that is commonly dissolved in the (yellow) plasma has suddenly become the latest PED. 2) A substance that does not carry oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin has, also, suddenly become the latest PED. "(Which doesn't make sense - as the whole purpose of blood doping is to increase the, erythrocytes, haemoglobin, and oxygen count within the blood and the bodies' muscles and tissues; with a (lot of a) substance that carries oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin). " 3) (Let's just say what was separated in the centrifuge and then injected into people's faces is both the colour "red" and also enriched oxygen carrying haemoglobin {which it was not}); a very small amount of blood (much smaller than normally used in successful blood doping scams) that has only been out of the body for around 30 minutes (660 times less than the normal minimum for blood doping storage before reintroduction) has, also, suddenly become the latest blood doping craze - despite typical blood doping trends normally involving/requiring both large amounts of blood and at least a few weeks storage of it, before reintroduction. Time to get a new theory vampire facial blood doping subscribers. Oh, a drop of blood contains millions of red blood cells, or erythrocytes. Keep it real.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436


-deepwater2 :

Floyd actually admitted to blood doping. What a dummy. He will be the lance Armstrong of boxing one day. The facts are facts. Floyd could be trying to deflect the truth that blood is removed from his arm,put through a machine and at some point reintroduced into his body somehow. The only thing he admits is it's crazy. We do know blood is removed and reintroduced. What we don't know is when it's reintroduced.admitting to a Vampire facial is trying to make light and excuse blood is removed and some blood is reintroduced. The 6-1 ratio raises legitimate questions.


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial - even if we accept the video link's personalities claims within post #22 (
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20307-What-Would-The-Nevada-Commission-Do-If-Floyd-or-Manny-Tested-Positive&p=78302&viewfull=1#post78302 ) - would only involve storing blood (if it were blood as we know it) for approximately 20 - 30 minutes; before it was reintroduced. Typically, blood dopers (autologous method) extract their own blood and then store it for a good deal longer than a day; usually weeks. Then just before competition they will reintroduce it. By then, and these are some of the important points to consider when thinking if a vampire facial is the same as performance blood doping; 1) Their own blood count would have created more blood and completely compensated for the extracted blood. 2) The reintroduced blood will unnaturally (because there is more blood than normal) cause an increase in red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin. 3) The reintroduced blood will also naturally (because the new {or is "old" a better word} blood now reintroduced stimulates the bodies' natural red blood cell count further {as the guy in the video link within post #22 rightly claims}) create much more red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin; which, coincidentally, is the protein within red blood cells that; 3a) Ensures it is responsible for the "red" colour of blood. 3b) Is responsible for carrying oxygen, transporting it, and also releasing the oxygen to the bodies' muscles and other cells In addition, "red" blood cells also can carry *
waste products such as
carbon dioxide, some of which is also carried by haemoglobin (but at a different place from where haemoglobin carries the oxygen). The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide is dissolved in the
plasma - which is the yellowy (
plasma) stuff in the video that is injected "back" into the patient's face and skin; because it has other properties that are beneficial to aesthetics. Clearly from above, there is a problem with thinking that injecting the yellow plasma constitutes blood doping. Firstly, since the yellow plasma was not red it therefore could not have very much haemoglobin in it (that was all in the red substance at the bottom of the vial that was not wanted by the beautician). Even haemoglobin without much oxygen in it is still noticeable, and this is because haemoglobin has an iron atom at its centre; which means that when the iron is bound to oxygen it gets its red colour (and is then technically called oxyhameoglobin). However, when haemoglobin is without much oxygen - for the same above (iron-atom) reasons - it then (is technically called deoxygenated haemoglobin, and is) a blue-red colour. The blood discarded and not used in the vampire facial was red; so therefore the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually "throwing away" that small amount of oxygenated blood and haemoglobin that actually had any hope of being a sporting-performance benefit to Floyd. This doesn't matter though, because the amount of blood the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually discarding had no hope of ever being any benefit to Floyd; because the amount was too small and not stored long enough before being reintroduced. Now; A) Given that - even if Floyd waited 1 day - for the blood taken (at the vampire facial beauty parlour) to be re-injected - that would still be more than 40 times longer than Floyd was really without his own (small amount of) blood - which (even at 40 times longer) - is still approximately (at best) 13 days less than the (minimum) time most blood dopers usually store their extracted blood, before reintroducing it, and giving time for their bodies to naturally reproduce red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and the haemoglobin protein. B) Since haemoglobin is responsible for the "red" colour of blood, and the substance shown in the above-mentioned video that (was separated from the "red" blood via a centrifuge, and) was being re-injected into client's faces, was actually both yellow and (from *above) also the same *waste substance that the body naturally uses to transport remaining waste products, such as carbon dioxide (which is dissolved in the plasma that was being re-injected). The chances that Floyd received any significant and worthwhile blood doping benefit from the "vampire facial" is extremely doubtable. That is, unless, injecting; 1) The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide that is commonly dissolved in the (yellow) plasma has suddenly become the latest PED. 2) A substance that does not carry oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin has, also, suddenly become the latest PED. "(Which doesn't make sense - as the whole purpose of blood doping is to increase the, erythrocytes, haemoglobin, and oxygen count within the blood and the bodies' muscles and tissues; with a (lot of a) substance that carries oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin). " 3) (Let's just say what was separated in the centrifuge and then injected into people's faces is both the colour "red" and also enriched oxygen carrying haemoglobin {which it was not}); a very small amount of blood (much smaller than normally used in successful blood doping scams) that has only been out of the body for around 30 minutes (660 times less than the normal minimum for blood doping storage before reintroduction) has, also, suddenly become the latest blood doping craze - despite typical blood doping trends normally involving/requiring both large amounts of blood and at least a few weeks storage of it, before reintroduction. Time to get a new theory vampire facial blood doping subscribers. Oh, a drop of blood contains millions of red blood cells, or erythrocytes. Keep it real.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial - even if we accept the video link's personalities claims within post #22 (
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20307-What-Would-The-Nevada-Commission-Do-If-Floyd-or-Manny-Tested-Positive&p=78302&viewfull=1#post78302 ) - would only involve storing blood (if it were blood as we know it) for approximately 20 - 30 minutes; before it was reintroduced. Typically, blood dopers (autologous method) extract their own blood and then store it for a good deal longer than a day; usually weeks. Then just before competition they will reintroduce it. By then, and these are some of the important points to consider when thinking if a vampire facial is the same as performance blood doping; 1) Their own blood count would have created more blood and completely compensated for the extracted blood. 2) The reintroduced blood will unnaturally (because there is more blood than normal) cause an increase in red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin. 3) The reintroduced blood will also naturally (because the new {or is "old" a better word} blood now reintroduced stimulates the bodies' natural red blood cell count further {as the guy in the video link within post #22 rightly claims}) create much more red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and therefore also haemoglobin; which, coincidentally, is the protein within red blood cells that; 3a) Ensures it is responsible for the "red" colour of blood. 3b) Is responsible for carrying oxygen, transporting it, and also releasing the oxygen to the bodies' muscles and other cells In addition, "red" blood cells also can carry *
waste products such as
carbon dioxide, some of which is also carried by haemoglobin (but at a different place from where haemoglobin carries the oxygen). The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide is dissolved in the
plasma - which is the yellowy (
plasma) stuff in the video that is injected "back" into the patient's face and skin; because it has other properties that are beneficial to aesthetics. Clearly from above, there is a problem with thinking that injecting the yellow plasma constitutes blood doping. Firstly, since the yellow plasma was not red it therefore could not have very much haemoglobin in it (that was all in the red substance at the bottom of the vial that was not wanted by the beautician). Even haemoglobin without much oxygen in it is still noticeable, and this is because haemoglobin has an iron atom at its centre; which means that when the iron is bound to oxygen it gets its red colour (and is then technically called oxyhameoglobin). However, when haemoglobin is without much oxygen - for the same above (iron-atom) reasons - it then (is technically called deoxygenated haemoglobin, and is) a blue-red colour. The blood discarded and not used in the vampire facial was red; so therefore the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually "throwing away" that small amount of oxygenated blood and haemoglobin that actually had any hope of being a sporting-performance benefit to Floyd. This doesn't matter though, because the amount of blood the vampire facial beauty therapists were actually discarding had no hope of ever being any benefit to Floyd; because the amount was too small and not stored long enough before being reintroduced. Now; A) Given that - even if Floyd waited 1 day - for the blood taken (at the vampire facial beauty parlour) to be re-injected - that would still be more than 40 times longer than Floyd was really without his own (small amount of) blood - which (even at 40 times longer) - is still approximately (at best) 13 days less than the (minimum) time most blood dopers usually store their extracted blood, before reintroducing it, and giving time for their bodies to naturally reproduce red blood cells (or erythrocytes) and the haemoglobin protein. B) Since haemoglobin is responsible for the "red" colour of blood, and the substance shown in the above-mentioned video that (was separated from the "red" blood via a centrifuge, and) was being re-injected into client's faces, was actually both yellow and (from *above) also the same *waste substance that the body naturally uses to transport remaining waste products, such as carbon dioxide (which is dissolved in the plasma that was being re-injected). The chances that Floyd received any significant and worthwhile blood doping benefit from the "vampire facial" is extremely doubtable. That is, unless, injecting; 1) The remaining *waste products such as carbon dioxide that is commonly dissolved in the (yellow) plasma has suddenly become the latest PED. 2) A substance that does not carry oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin has, also, suddenly become the latest PED. "(Which doesn't make sense - as the whole purpose of blood doping is to increase the, erythrocytes, haemoglobin, and oxygen count within the blood and the bodies' muscles and tissues; with a {lot of a} substance that carries oxygen as well as oxygen carrying haemoglobin). " 3) (Let's just say what was separated in the centrifuge and then injected into people's faces is both the colour "red" and also enriched oxygen carrying haemoglobin {which it was not}); a very small amount of blood (much smaller than normally used in successful blood doping scams) that has only been out of the body for around 30 minutes (which at least 660 times less than the normal minimum for blood doping storage before reintroduction) has, also, suddenly become the latest blood doping craze - despite typical blood doping trends normally involving/requiring both large amounts of blood and at least a few weeks storage of it, before reintroduction. Time to get a new theory vampire facial blood doping subscribers. Oh, a drop of blood contains millions of red blood cells, or erythrocytes. Keep it real.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?16242-Floyd-and-Maidana-Will-Do-USADA-Testing&p=58436&viewfull=1#post58436


-stormcentre :

Deep, I think (from the video at post #22) Floyd got scared about explaining the blood extraction process (associated with the "vampire facial") whilst he had made allegations about Pacquaio. The result - in my opinion - was Floyd's verbal stumbling about the glasses and other related stuff, and what followed was some half azz attempt to call "vampire facials" blood doping; which in turn seems to have created this
Storm in a teacup . . . . . When for all we know, Floyd (and Pac) has probably been doping and juicing for years.


-Radam G :

A vampire facial is blood doping -- plain and simple. For years, it has been a part of how Hip Hop "video hos" get bluff and ready and are able to go, go, go, GO on their video takes! Boxing and Hip Hop will no long be single. They are making mad moves to mingle. Holla at Roc Nation, which is now crowding da game. Optical illusions and tricks of the trade are everywhere. And blood doping in entertainment and althletics -- especially boksing -- is keeping it real in doing da dang thang. C'mon, TSS's sharp-eyed, investigative journalists, HOLLA! You know that you are going to. You always do. Arch-master Investigative Boxing Journalist S-To, the actuality of the reality is knocking on your door. Holla!


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial is blood doping -- plain and simple.
For years, it has been a part of how Hip Hop "video hos" get bluff and ready and are able to go, go, go, GO on their video takes!
Oh I didn't know that - thanks. Wow, now that I know that vampire facials have been a part of Hip Hop "videos" with "hos" in them for years . . . for sure - it must "really" be blood doping then. The Hip Hop culture could never be misled and/or misleading on an issue like blood doping. Dude, go and check how much blood (with oxygen carrying "red" coloured haemoglobin {and that's not the green goblin creature out of Batman}) that is usually extracted and/or reintroduced a much longer time after extraction than in the (questionable) video you provided. As much as you may like to - you can't simply wish something into existence and/or to be true simply because it suits your purposes. If there is a performance value to vampire facials that can be measured in boxing from the small amount (of yellow plasma; but let's just ignore that and say it was oxygen carrying "red" haemoglobin - which it wasn't) taken in the video you provided, and if that performance value to boxing can also be realised from an extraction and reintroduction process with a total duration of no more than an hour (and that's being generous); then it will be small. We all saw the Lance Armstrong fall from grace and the documentaries that accompanied that; remember how big those transfusion bags were? Little bit bigger than a few vials eh? :) And remember - even if it was oxygen carrying "red" haemoglobin that was used from the vials after they came out of the centrifuge - which it wasn't - that amount was only half the vial. More likely Floyd and cronies (if it is not vanity as Floyd does look young for his age) believe hype and myth and will try anything for an advantage. And then, just like a placebo, after the process/pill has been completed/consumed the psychological effect will not allow the mind to think anything other than the intended outcome was achieved. Run to Springs Toledo - call him out. It will change nothing in the context of the facts and science; which is all that really matters. Stick with a Nevada 6:1 ratio and work that to death. As that has far better potential to achieve your Floyd rubbishing goals than the vampire facials; which (particularly considering it is the beauty industry) is hardly going to come out and deny a misconceived and/or presumed benefit to their services, when that misconception makes them millions. Keep it real.


-stormcentre :

A vampire facial is blood doping -- plain and simple.
For years, it has been a part of how Hip Hop "video hos" get bluff and ready and are able to go, go, go, GO on their video takes!
Oh I didn't know that - thanks. Wow, now that I know that vampire facials have been a part of Hip Hop "videos" with "hos" in them for years . . . for sure - it must "really" be blood doping then. The Hip Hop culture could never be misled and/or misleading on an issue like blood doping. Dude, go and check how much blood (with oxygen carrying "red" coloured haemoglobin {and that's not the green goblin creature out of Batman}) that is usually extracted and/or reintroduced a much longer time after extraction than in the (questionable) video you provided. As much as you may like to - you can't simply wish something into existence and/or to be true simply because it suits your purposes. If there is a performance value to vampire facials that can be measured in boxing from the small amount (of yellow plasma; but let's just ignore that and say it was oxygen carrying "red" haemoglobin - which it wasn't) taken in the video you provided, and if that performance value to boxing can also be realised from an extraction and reintroduction process with a total duration of no more than an hour (and that's being generous); then it will be small. We all saw the Lance Armstrong fall from grace and the documentaries that accompanied that; remember how big those transfusion bags were? Little bit bigger than a few vials eh? :) And remember - even if it was oxygen carrying "red" haemoglobin that was used from the vials after they came out of the centrifuge - which it wasn't - that amount was only half the vial. More likely Floyd and cronies (if it is not vanity as Floyd does look young for his age) believe hype and myth and will try anything for an advantage. And then, just like a placebo, after the process/pill has been completed/consumed the psychological effect will not allow the mind to think anything other than the intended outcome was achieved. Run to Springs Toledo - call him out. It will change nothing in the context of the facts and science; which is all that really matters. Stick with a Nevada 6:1 ratio and work that to death. As that has far better potential to achieve your Floyd rubbishing goals than the vampire facials; which (particularly considering it is the beauty industry) is hardly going to come out and deny a misconceived and/or presumed benefit to their services, when that misconception makes them millions. What the Mayweather/Floyd Jr. hating guy in the video was really doing was referring to other videos that were made without his involvement, and then using (suspiciously and not inconspicuously) edited and truncated versions of them to bolster his own personal (but unproven) views. You should have picked this up. One piece of evidence to support this view is how he made sure the "pseudo technical" parts of the (perhaps more reliable) videos (that were made without his involvement, but still used by him) were edited as such so that (for the vampire facial beauty advertorial {and that's all it was}) . . .. just as the advertorial started talking about the plasma that was injected in the face - it was abruptly truncated and stopped. Therefore providing no useful detail at all that would allow a savvy viewer to differentiate between fact and what the Mayweather hater was saying; which was fiction. Another piece of evidence to support this view is how the video (of the sport's scientist and/or other specialists that discussed blood doping and EPO) never really explained the details I have in my above post. This ensure savvy viewers could never understand what requirements real and meaningful blood doping has that the vampire facials don't conform with. I doubt the real - unedited - versions - of the videos that depicted the the sport's scientist and/or other specialists discussing blood doping and EPO - would omit to explain this missing information; that would otherwise allow viewers to understand the real benefit of vampire facials in a blood doping (and therefore sport's performance enhancing) context. The video is, really, no better than saying; A) Because my dealer can't provide me with ecstasy this weekend I am going to, instead, take 6 aspirins and still dance all night, and because I am still introducing a foreign substance into my body the effect will be the same . . . I know it will . . . . it must be . . . . I need it to be. B) A partly bald guy that once that grew too tired to shave his head everyday, came up with a clever idea to have chemotherapy (he didn't really need) so he could relieve himself of the shaving burden. Clever eh? Keep it real.


-Radam G :

There are cultures and styles for everything. And it is not hard to find why and where it came from or about. I'm not here to prove or disprove anything. Vampire facials are cool ways of blood dropping for a genre. Certain dress styles are ways of dressing for a genre. Certain styles of eating are ways of a genre. We live in an age of rapidly processing and enhancing all types of cheat-and-beat syet in near zero time. It doesn't take Rocket science to understand that quickies are now da haps with da smallest amounts of chemicals and procedures. In the last 100 years, we have moved things faster and have had more process than in a million years. Long waiting periods for 95 percent of chemical processing are for the poor and naive. If your business can not do it fast, it will not last. Money May admitted to blood doping in plain sight. There is no way out. Enjoy the bout. Holla!


-brownsugar :

There are cultures and styles for everything. And it is not hard to find why and where it came from or about. I'm not here to prove or disprove anything. Vampire facials are cool ways of blood dropping for a genre. Certain dress styles are ways of dressing for a genre. Certain styles of eating are ways of a genre. We live in an age of rapidly processing and enhancing all types of cheat-and-beat syet in near zero time. It doesn't take Rocket science to understand that quickies are now da haps with da smallest amounts of chemicals and procedures. In the last 100 years, we have moved things faster and have had more process than in a million years. Long waiting periods for 95 percent of chemical processing are for the poor and naive. If your business can not do it fast, it will not last. Money May admitted to blood doping in plain sight. There is no way out. Enjoy the bout. Holla!
Floyd doesnt have to hyde the fact that he's had a vampire facial. Vampire facials is a commonly known technique that the ultra rich use to keep the the skin on their face as soft supple and vibrant as a baby's behind. Kim Kardasian, is just one of a growing host of celebrities who uses them consistantly. A blood facial is an eccentric technique reserved exclusively for the rich and famous. A vampire facial couldnt supply enough oxygen to invigorate a cockroach. But i have learned that looking at and being aroused by beautiful women....can increase the amount of free testosterone in the blood stream. Could Floyd be using his harem of strippers as a way of boosting his testosterone legally? Google any part of my comment if you think Im making this up. True biood doping consists of exercising at high altitudes and saving a pint or so on every trip until there is enough of the ultra-oxygen storing blood to replace a major portion of the cheats blood supply before participating in a major event. The teaspoon or two of blood platelets used in a vampire facial is not going to inhance anyones ability to store and utilize oxygen in an unfair attempt to gain some type of sporting advantage. If that were true, the locker rooms of the NBA, NFL and the NHL would reek of the smell of dried blood like Dracula's castle.6


-Radam G :

Floyd doesnt have to hyde the fact that he's had a vampire facial. Vampire facials is a commonly known technique that the ultra rich use to keep the the skin on their face as soft supple and vibrant as a baby's behind. Kim Kardasian, is just one of a growing host of celebrities who uses them consistantly. A blood facial is an eccentric technique reserved exclusively for the rich and famous. A vampire facial couldnt supply enough oxygen to invigorate a cockroach. But i have learned that looking at and being aroused by beautiful women....can increase the amount of free testosterone in the blood stream. Could Floyd be using his harem of strippers as a way of boosting his testosterone legally? Google any part of my comment if you think Im making this up. True biood doping consists of exercising at high altitudes and saving a pint or so on every trip until there is enough of the ultra-oxygen storing blood to replace a major portion of the cheats blood supply before participating in a major event. The teaspoon or two of blood platelets used in a vampire facial is not going to inhance anyones ability to store and utilize oxygen in an unfair attempt to gain some type of sporting advantage. If that were true, the locker rooms of the NBA, NFL and the NHL would reek of the smell of dried blood like Dracula's castle.6
You are missing the whole point. From the jump, I noted that video hos use this blood doping procedure to be popping -- meaning the body is tight and booty is PHAT! If you don't know that meaning, the body is FINE! Besides, I've always said that roids don't work in boksing anyway. "It is skills that pay da bills," as Uncle Roger is known to say. That syet is used to make the body beautiful, not into a killing machine. Proper food and diet holla at dat. That's why Lil Floyd is paying a chef $4,000 a day to make him killa chow. He knows what time it is. And, PLEASE! We live in 2015. You don't need a large amount of blood and time for Jack for nowadays. Technology can and has sped up things. I don't know where you have been. We are outta of the stage-coach days. And rich women going a full-term pregnancy. I'm not here to skool ya! And I earn nuffin' by tryin' ta' fool ya! I'm not being condescending, But you horse-and-buggy, baby boomers need to catch up. You are in fast-arse producing time now. And make believe, fantasy and sarcasm don't work. That stuff is bunk! It is a new generation running the show. The BobFathers and tsAHs are just front people. They got those in da know, doing da show. Fading-fast Money May is fighting Da Manny. And it is Mano-I-Mano, not roids/PEDs-roids/PEDs. IMHO, Da Manny wins by KO. Holla!


-Radam G :

Holla at how Big Floyd and his cousin lose their minds against Iron Mike and Superman Roy for being AfriKano-AmerKano boxers picking Da Manny to win. What a couple of bigots. And then holla at how Big Floyd goes on his make believe about Da Manny being on what Fam May uses.
->https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9Z2WI4kSJo. The drug-pushing wacko pops is great entertainment. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Floyd doesnt have to hyde the fact that he's had a vampire facial. Vampire facials is a commonly known technique that the ultra rich use to keep the the skin on their face as soft supple and vibrant as a baby's behind. Kim Kardasian, is just one of a growing host of celebrities who uses them consistantly. A blood facial is an eccentric technique reserved exclusively for the rich and famous. A vampire facial couldnt supply enough oxygen to invigorate a cockroach. But i have learned that looking at and being aroused by beautiful women....can increase the amount of free testosterone in the blood stream. Could Floyd be using his harem of strippers as a way of boosting his testosterone legally? Google any part of my comment if you think Im making this up. True biood doping consists of exercising at high altitudes and saving a pint or so on every trip until there is enough of the ultra-oxygen storing blood to replace a major portion of the cheats blood supply before participating in a major event. The teaspoon or two of blood platelets used in a vampire facial is not going to inhance anyones ability to store and utilize oxygen in an unfair attempt to gain some type of sporting advantage. If that were true, the locker rooms of the NBA, NFL and the NHL would reek of the smell of dried blood like Dracula's castle.6
Pretty much sport on BS. The only way anyone could enhance their ability to store and utilise oxygen to gain some type of sporting advantage with such a small amount of transfused blood (it would still then be a larger amount of blood than the
plasma used in the vampire facial edited advertorial-video) would be to (heavily, and I mean heavily) EPO dope the to-be-stored blood before it was extracted so that it had such high concentrations of haemoglobin that it allowed an exponentially smaller volume to be used. But that heavy EPO doping would take matters close to (if not at and/or beyond) the point where the heart may find the resulting doped-blood's viscosity a serious problem to pump; which is why these doping techniques are dangerous. Not to mention that you can, usually, only "safely" (if such a word can be applied to this subject) heavily EPO dope the to-be-stored blood before it was extracted; whilst it is still in IN A HUMAN. All, or parts of this approach, does (or used to) happen. Particularly in cycling (Armstrong was notorious for - sometimes more than once a day - transfusing heavily EPO doped blood that had previously been stored for weeks/months; during his competition). But when it does happen, it hardly ever is done to the extremes (due to the above-mentioned blood viscosity dangers) where the raised and very high concentrations of EPO and haemoglobin that results from the exercise (pun) is then considered to warrant a reduction in the overall volume of doped blood (which would be another very dangerous and further step in the process; seriously risking the athlete's life). Taking that dangerous "theory" (which is the only way MMMRG can be correct with his latest post that seeks to fix the mess his previous posts on this matter created) and implementing it so that a considerably smaller volume of blood - approaching that of half the vial in the video - could have the desired effect would quite literally; 1) Mean the doped blood had such unbelievably high concentrations of red blood cells and haemoglobin that its viscosity would be - to the naked eye - visibly different. 2) Potentially kill the person to whom it was infused back in; due to the above-mentioned danger. Good stuff BS . . you been a bit quiet in these forums lately.


-stormcentre :

There are cultures and styles for everything. And it is not hard to find why and where it came from or about. I'm not here to prove or disprove anything. Vampire facials are cool ways of blood dropping for a genre. Certain dress styles are ways of dressing for a genre. Certain styles of eating are ways of a genre. We live in an age of rapidly processing and enhancing all types of cheat-and-beat syet in near zero time. It doesn't take Rocket science to understand that quickies are now da haps with da smallest amounts of chemicals and procedures. In the last 100 years, we have moved things faster and have had more process than in a million years. Long waiting periods for 95 percent of chemical processing are for the poor and naive. If your business can not do it fast, it will not last. Money May admitted to blood doping in plain sight. There is no way out. Enjoy the bout. Holla!
Yawn. What are you talking about? You say you're not here to dis/prove anything. But then you continue - with what has been a series of completely incorrect posts (which include the provision of links to videos that are themselves, concerning, erroneous, questionably edited/constructed, and very, very obviously subjective) in an attempt to call Floyd a fraud/cheat (because he has vampire facials) - and defend all that until finally the "castle" burns too the ground, at which point you, only then, jump ship and flee by saying ""I am not trying to prove anything""; all as you (blindly?) not only support Pacquaio (of all people) in the same (PED) area of discussion - but claim many others are "haters" for unnecessarily "hating" on him. Dude, all that Floyd hating stress is going to lower the sperm count, and then when that happens . . . whose going to cover off on providing all the homeless and non-homeless toilet dwellers with their missing toilet wall education and schooling? It's a big responsibility? Can you not just keep it real? Is it really that hard? There is enough PED related situations/circumstances on both fighter's part for both sides of the immature dummy-spitting MayPac fence to throw - reasonably accurate facts and caveats - around (if you must); without resorting to this absolute factoid riddled rubbish bolstered by an equally distorted video. Please accept that you're wrong on this and that it is important to have facts, and (at least attempt to) get them right, when claiming a fighter is dirty. Alternatively, you can preface your posts with disclaimers like "
this is my opinion", or "
I am not sure but it seems like", or "
I can't prove this, but . . . " Feel free to cut and paste those disclaimers from the line above if your mind/hand freezes at the thought of typing such text. Finally please see my post #32 (response to BS response to your interesting claims) for further discussion/proof on the "vampire facial blood doping thing" and "theory", and also why, I think, you, should really give the severe hypocritical Floyd hating and claims a break. Not in the least, as . . please don't tell me Pac is so squeaky clean to justify this approach of yours, when his longstanding trainer (Roach) is kicking out the guy - that "yawl" claiming, because he is now in Floyd's camp, shows (proves?) Floyd is dirty - because that same guy (Ariza; whom we all saw give a fighter a pill like substance during a fight) refused to tell Roach what he was giving Pacquaio; who had just closed out one of the most amazing and controversial achievements in boxing's entire history. I have previously posted the link to the video where Roach - sitting with Arum and Pacquaio - pretty much says just what I wrote; but for you here it is again.
->https://youtu.be/EbEqQPJJGs4?t=3m52s Now, where are those Oxys of mine, as my head hurts . . . . .


-stormcentre :

You are missing the whole point. From the jump, I noted that video hos use this blood doping procedure to be popping -- meaning the body is tight and booty is PHAT! If you don't know that meaning, the body is FINE! Besides, I've always said that roids don't work in boksing anyway. "It is skills that pay da bills," as Uncle Roger is known to say. That syet is used to make the body beautiful, not into a killing machine. Proper food and diet holla at dat. That's why Lil Floyd is paying a chef $4,000 a day to make him killa chow. He knows what time it is. And, PLEASE! We live in 2015. You don't need a large amount of blood and time for Jack for nowadays. Technology can and has sped up things. I don't know where you have been. We are outta of the stage-coach days. And rich women going a full-term pregnancy. I'm not here to skool ya! And I earn nuffin' by tryin' ta' fool ya! I'm not being condescending, But you horse-and-buggy, baby boomers need to catch up. You are in fast-arse producing time now. And make believe, fantasy and sarcasm don't work. That stuff is bunk! It is a new generation running the show. The BobFathers and tsAHs are just front people. They got those in da know, doing da show. Fading-fast Money May is fighting Da Manny. And it is Mano-I-Mano, not roids/PEDs-roids/PEDs. IMHO, Da Manny wins by KO. Holla!
Rubbish. Please see posts #32 and #33. Are you not concerned about whether what you're saying has any relevance to the truth? Like Haymon and Arum have no say and/or control in this fight/promotion? MMMRG, please lift your game; your legs look shot and I have been tagging you all over the place with leading (60%-ers) right hands. :)


-Radam G :

It is all about being body beautiful. Neither Money May nor Da Manny believes in the myths of roids given them a boxing skill advantage. Holla!


-Radam G :

Two men are scrapping. And it is going to end in a draw or win for one of them. And I'm gong with Da Manny. Holla!


-brownsugar :

You are missing the whole point. From the jump, I noted that video hos use this blood doping procedure to be popping -- meaning the body is tight and booty is PHAT! If you don't know that meaning, the body is FINE! Besides, I've always said that roids don't work in boksing anyway. "It is skills that pay da bills," as Uncle Roger is known to say. That syet is used to make the body beautiful, not into a killing machine. Proper food and diet holla at dat. That's why Lil Floyd is paying a chef $4,000 a day to make him killa chow. He knows what time it is. And, PLEASE! We live in 2015. You don't need a large amount of blood and time for Jack for nowadays. Technology can and has sped up things. I don't know where you have been. We are outta of the stage-coach days. And rich women going a full-term pregnancy. I'm not here to skool ya! And I earn nuffin' by tryin' ta' fool ya! I'm not being condescending, But you horse-and-buggy, baby boomers need to catch up. You are in fast-arse producing time now. And make believe, fantasy and sarcasm don't work. That stuff is bunk! It is a new generation running the show. The BobFathers and tsAHs are just front people. They got those in da know, doing da show. Fading-fast Money May is fighting Da Manny. And it is Mano-I-Mano, not roids/PEDs-roids/PEDs. IMHO, Da Manny wins by KO. Holla!
Say What....!!!??? You emphatically stated many times that Floyd was using a vampire facial as a ped/blood doping technique when its just a beauty salon treatment. I guess this is your disclaimer. I basically wrote about it so the visitors dont get confused and leave here believing that getting a vampire facial is some sort of crime.


-stormcentre :

Oh, OK - so (now) Floyd was not trying to get an advantage via the misconceived thought that vampire facials is the same as blood doping. WTF? Where are my Oxys again? I think I need them. You're good. Really good. But, the Castle is burnt to the ground, and even the alligators the previously resided in the mote have taken off for fresher pastures. Take a look at the cut and paste options is provided in post #33. "Alternatively, you can preface your posts with disclaimers like "
this is my opinion", or "
I am not sure but it seems like", or "
I can't prove this, but . . . " And try and use them in the future. I mean it's OK to laugh at someone and throw some light allegations around, but lately you're just severely (and I mean severely) rubbishing one of the best fighters of this generation - to and beyond the level of a smear/hate campaign - in both context and terms that could easily also apply to your guy; Pac. Keep it real MMMRG; that's when you do you're best work here.


-stormcentre :

Two men are scrapping. And it is going to end in a draw or win for one of them. And I'm gong with Da Manny. Holla!
That's better - keep the change and good work up. :)


-brownsugar :

Pretty much sport on BS. The only way anyone could enhance their ability to store and utilise oxygen to gain some type of sporting advantage with such a small amount of transfused blood (it would still then be a larger amount of blood than the
plasma used in the vampire facial edited advertorial-video) would be to (heavily, and I mean heavily) EPO dope the to-be-stored blood before it was extracted so that it had such high concentrations of haemoglobin that it allowed an exponentially smaller volume to be used. But that heavy EPO doping would take matters close to (if not at and/or beyond) the point where the heart may find the resulting doped-blood's viscosity a serious problem to pump; which is why these doping techniques are dangerous. Not to mention that you can, usually, only "safely" (if such a word can be applied to this subject) heavily EPO dope the to-be-stored blood before it was extracted; whilst it is still in IN A HUMAN. All, or parts of this approach, does (or used to) happen. Particularly in cycling (Armstrong was notorious for - sometimes more than once a day - transfusing heavily EPO doped blood that had previously been stored for weeks/months; during his competition). But when it does happen, it hardly ever is done to the extremes (due to the above-mentioned blood viscosity dangers) where the raised and very high concentrations of EPO and haemoglobin that results from the exercise (pun) is then considered to warrant a reduction in the overall volume of doped blood (which would be another very dangerous and further step in the process; seriously risking the athlete's life). Taking that dangerous "theory" (which is the only way MMMRG can be correct with his latest post that seeks to fix the mess his previous posts on this matter created) and implementing it so that a considerably smaller volume of blood - approaching that of half the vial in the video - could have the desired effect would quite literally; 1) Mean the doped blood had such unbelievably high concentrations of red blood cells and haemoglobin that its viscosity would be - to the naked eye - visibly different. 2) Potentially kill the person to whom it was infused back in; due to the above-mentioned danger. Good stuff BS . . you been a bit quiet in these forums lately.
Interesting stuff... I remember the early confessions of cyclers who came clean on network tv many years ago regarding Armstrong and his team mates playing nurse made to each other during the transfusion process. Armstrong continued to deny it... Yeah ....I got a lot of stuff going on these days but i enjoy reading posts like these every day. Im raising a teenager too so we're pretty busy. Keep up the great posting.


-Radam G :

Say What....!!!??? You emphatically stated many times that Floyd was using a vampire facial as a ped/blood doping technique when its just a beauty salon treatment. I guess this is your disclaimer. I basically wrote about it so the visitors dont get confused and leave here believing that getting a vampire facial is some sort of crime.
Using roids and blood doping are not crimes, period! People are down with the whole nine of vanity. Lamont Peterson loves to put pellets of roids up his arse. Money loves to blood dope through his mug lights. To each, his own trick of the trade. Both he bytches are dirty. They want popping bodies. And the ways that they do it, I ain't hatin' them. I've always said that users of dat syet was for body beautification. You know it! So what is the deal? All types of syet goes down in beauty salon and barber shops. A vampire facial is blood doping. Check the WADA's definition of blood doping. Definitions are not hard to find. Holla!


-Radam G :

Money May is going to get beat, period. ESPN Stephen A. Smith is already mouthing off that Money May will get robbed on May 2. YUP! RIGHT! Here comes the excuses and conspiracies five weeks before the dance. Hehe! Money May will throw his back out from bytch chopping wood. But will fight anyway because of the fans. Hehe. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Using roids and blood doping are not crimes, period! People are down with the whole nine of vanity. Lamont Peterson loves to put pellets of roids up his arse.
Money loves to blood dope through his mug lights. To each, his own trick of the trade. Both he bytches are dirty. They want popping bodies. And the ways that they do it, I ain't hatin' them.
I've always said that users of dat syet was for body beautification. You know it! So what is the deal? All types of syet goes down in beauty salon and barber shops. A vampire facial is blood doping. Check the WADA's definition of blood doping. Definitions are not hard to find. Holla!
Seriously; I don't think I have ever seen anyone defend - quite so vigorously and almost completely without thought and realisation for how much they have already tripped up - their presumed right to be; hypocritical, in conflict with themselves (2 above bolded statement are but 1 examples), and categorically wrong; with, ever increasing amounts of the same, hypocrisy, self-conflict, and inconsistency. MMMRG even if the WADA definition was as you say (I don't know) it doesn't change a thing we have said here. And that is because commissions and other sporting authorities/bodies can't control whether the vampire facials' procedures are tweaked to constitute real blood doping. After all, since the vampire facials' procedures themselves (not end results) are almost the same as high performance blood doping for sporting advantages; there is almost nothing to do (except use blood rather than plasma, take much more blood volume than the currently taken plasma constitutes, store that blood longer, and then transfuse it later) if one wants to tweak them so they yield blood doping outcomes. Still, the procedure then would be unrealistic from a commercial beauty-business perspective, as; 1) Transfusion procedures could take hours. 2) Total turn around times (from blood extraction to reintroduction) could take weeks. 3) The procedure itself - even without the messy and concerning look of a serious transfusion needle, bag and line kit - would look/feel nothing like what the average beauty client expected. And, then you also have the problem with trying to transfuse a litre (or more) of blood back into the body through the face; ouch. Very painful and very time consuming. Any vampire facial business reliant upon genuine beauty clients would then die. Keep it real and stop trying to breath life into a falsehood.


-stormcentre :

Using roids and blood doping are not crimes, period! People are down with the whole nine of vanity. Lamont Peterson loves to put pellets of roids up his arse.
Money loves to blood dope through his mug lights. To each, his own trick of the trade. Both he bytches are dirty. They want popping bodies. And the ways that they do it, I ain't hatin' them.
I've always said that users of dat syet was for body beautification. You know it! So what is the deal? All types of syet goes down in beauty salon and barber shops. A vampire facial is blood doping. Check the WADA's definition of blood doping. Definitions are not hard to find. Holla!
Seriously; I don't think I have ever seen anyone defend - quite so vigorously and almost completely without thought and realisation for how much they have already tripped up - their presumed right to be; hypocritical, in conflict with themselves (2 above bolded statement are but 1 examples), and categorically wrong; with, ever increasing amounts of the same, hypocrisy, self-conflict, and inconsistency. MMMRG even if the WADA definition was as you say (I don't know) it doesn't change a thing we have said here. And that is because commissions and other sporting authorities/bodies can't control whether the vampire facials' procedures are tweaked to constitute real blood doping. After all, since the vampire facials' procedures themselves (not end results) are almost the same as high performance blood doping for sporting advantages; there is almost nothing to do (except use blood rather than plasma, take much more blood volume than the currently taken plasma constitutes, store that blood longer, and then transfuse it later) if one wants to tweak them so they yield blood doping outcomes. Still, the procedure then would be unrealistic from a commercial beauty-business perspective, as; 1) Transfusion procedures could take hours. 2) Total turn around times (from blood extraction to reintroduction) could take weeks. 3) The procedure itself - even without the messy and concerning look of a serious transfusion needle, bag and line kit - would look/feel nothing like what the average beauty client expected. And, then you also have the problem with trying to transfuse a litre (or more) of blood back into the body through the face; ouch. Very painful and very time consuming. Any vampire facial business reliant upon genuine beauty clients would then die. Like any agency (WADA included) whose remit is to prevent PES and illegal approaches in sports, is going to "green light" any procedure that has elite and other sportsmen (that they govern) in close proximity to blood extraction and reintroduction processes and equipment; when that is the very mainstay and/or foundation of real blood doping techniques. Far out man, for someone that comes across so vehemently on these issues with their smear campaign opinions I would have expected that you would have checked all (or at least some of) these facts that you have rolled out; "beforehand". Rather than just successively wheeling them out, time and time again, and hoping that the last wheeled out conflicting and inconsistent version is going to be the one that no-one notices (is also false). Seriously, regardless of the subject matter, I have never before seen hypocrisy and inaccuracy on this level and also (at the same time) quite so seriously committed to. Keep it real and stop trying to breath life into a falsehood.


-Radam G :

WADA does not make excuses and alibis for cheating. Pugs and their followers do. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Ahh, diving into that black book of infinitely clu3l3e$$ responses again eh? Love it. But you above said that . . . ""I've always said that users of dat syet was for body beautification. You know it! So what is the deal?"" So, therefore Floyd can't be cheating; by your're own accounts - you know it - so what's the deal. :) A friend of mine once said you can't talk sense to a fool; not that that applies to you MMMRG Have a look at this and feel at home.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ


-deepwater2 :

I just have my fingers crossed that the PED thing is a non issue for the fight. Hopefully Floyd isn't removing any blood from his arm and replacing it somewhere else. Pac doesn't have that Ariza in camp giving him secret shakes, so pac should be good. Ariza and government informant/steroid guru heredia should not be in the picture. Thank Floyd for that. If those two dummies weren't around no one would be talking PEDS.


-Radam G :

I just have my fingers crossed that the PED thing is a non issue for the fight. Hopefully Floyd isn't removing any blood from his arm and replacing it somewhere else. Pac doesn't have that Ariza in camp giving him secret shakes, so pac should be good. Ariza and government informant/steroid guru heredia should not be in the picture. Thank Floyd for that. If those two dummies weren't around no one would be talking PEDS.
FloydHype's editor-in-chief kiss ____ ______ is on Money May's 6 with protection and propaganda. Now who does not know the notorious, fallen Angel Heredia? He has even bragged about how he can beat syet from USADA. What an interview of _______ _________ _______! And that is fine. It won't help vampire facial blood Floydoping. Hehehe!
->http://www.fighthype.com/news/article19788.html. Holla!


-stormcentre :

I just have my fingers crossed that the PED thing is a non issue for the fight. Hopefully Floyd isn't removing any blood from his arm and replacing it somewhere else. Pac doesn't have that Ariza in camp giving him secret shakes, so pac should be good. Ariza and government informant/steroid guru heredia should not be in the picture. Thank Floyd for that. If those two dummies weren't around no one would be talking PEDS.
Good, well-balanced post. I don't think there will be a PED issue in this fight. Too many eyes and people with authority and power involved, and too much at stake. The contracts will (within reason) be written appropriately for everyone's interests. The ship has probably sailed on your above-mentioned concerns about how blood is managed; by either fighter - in my opinion. But it is just an opinion. Moving Ariza away and out is a good thing too. I thought it was admirable of Arum and Pacquaio to sit there and let Freddy honestly say that they didn't know what Ariza was giving Pacquaio; as reasons for firing him. I have never seen that done before; moral points to Pac (and Bob) for that. Not in the least as - whilst nothing is categorically proven - Pac's historic (almost impossible) run through the weight divisions, in my opinion, is a little tainted; due to Ariza and Heredia. The guy (Ariza) obviously has a *dark cloud following him, and the footage of him putting something in Brandon Rio's mouth in between rounds at Macau was not good at all. Really, not good. Whether that *cloud now rains on Floyd or Pacman, due to Ariza's close proximity to Floyd; time will tell. Gotta love all the twists and turn in this game. Still, not just for the fighters, as even in this forum; it sorts the men out from the boys. :)


-Domenic :

Interesting stuff... I remember the early confessions of cyclers who came clean on network tv many years ago regarding Armstrong and his team mates playing nurse made to each other during the transfusion process. Armstrong continued to deny it... Yeah ....I got a lot of stuff going on these days but i enjoy reading posts like these every day. Im raising a teenager too so we're pretty busy. Keep up the great posting.
There's a critically acclaimed documentary on Showtime about Lance Armstrong and his egregious actions. I believe it's called 'Stop at Nothing.' They document the doping, and as Stormcentre stated in an earlier post about the technique employed, they'd literally remove a large bag of blood (no idea the specific quantity, but sizable), refrigerate it for weeks on end, then infuse it at a critical stage of the race. Armstrong lied under oath and buried ordinary folks, wrecked their lives. It's because of this that he's a pariah, as opposed to merely doping. But the chickens are coming home to roost for him now. Doping helps in cycling. It's an indisputable FACT. Does it do the same for pugilists? Some claim it helps big-time; others say it offers only a placebo effect. My opinion is it helps. Guys can dope and not achieve bodybuilder status (look at the cyclists or even the tennis players that have doped). Not every juicer is Lou Ferrigno. It won't take a nobody and make them great, of course not. But it'll take a Barry Bonds, great before steroids, and make him and his numbers cartoonish after juicing. I'm such a skeptic/pessimist that I believe virtually everyone is juicing. If it doesn't help, it's the biggest red herring that ever existed, because it's the most ubiquitous, talked about topic in the sport, and has been for years.


-stormcentre :

I’m not saying it’s right, but EPO (done correctly) helps all athletes. If not, then fighters would not train at high altitude and/or train at all. In fact, when you first try to do 8 rounds with high intensity, and can't. But then, later, perhaps after 6 months or a year of trying and training; you can. From a purely cardiovascular, oxygen, hypoxia, and all other things related (which is really all that governs your fitness) the reason you can after 6 months or a year of trying and training is because you have repetitively induced hypoxia from regularly trying to do exercises that your body can't facilitate with enough oxygen. After a while (the above-mentioned 6 months or a year of trying and training), and, also as you make all the incremental improvements (perhaps increasing 1 round per 2 months; to get to the goal of 8 hard/fast rounds); your body eventually responds and manufactures enough red blood cells and haemoglobin to carry the oxygen to the muscles and tissues that needs it to carry out the exercise being asked of it. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of the same blood type, it triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's easier and quicker. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of EPO enriched compatible-blood, in addition to the huge amounts of "extra" red blood cells and haemoglobin that's in the transfusion-blood, it triggers your body to naturally release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's much, much easier and much, much quicker. Then you go and exercise to a greater extent which . . . . . triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin. That's why this stuff, and PES that act like it, are gold in sports that have huge cash prizes. Not in the least as it almost blows away endurance barriers. Championship professional boxing, by and large, possesses a huge cardiovascular (aerobic and anaerobic) hurdle and/or endurance barrier. Professional boxing, at that above stated level, is probably as physically and cardiovascularly hard - although in different terms to cycling - to fight 3 minutes of every round of a 12 round fight against good opposition - as it is to do the day-uphill climb leg of the Tour De-France (I lived with the son of a guy that played a part in organizing the tour). This is why EPO has found a home in boxing; for now at least. EPO is not a steroid like what some body builders use. But, if you also - at the same time - take HGH and/or another steroid like chemical that assists with muscle building, then you also have greater muscle "mass" and endurance. They, then, can accept and utilize more oxygen. And what provides and/or facilitates more oxygen? Exercise, EPO, high altitude training, red blood cells and haemoglobin. So, round and round we go. Getting physically and cardiovascularly fitter. Some eagles/birds have evolved to fly extremely high - up where there is very little air/oxygen. They have adapted to these conditions because both their hunters and prey can't fly that high. They have also adapted to these conditions not only because their red blood cells have high counts of haemoglobin allowing them to carry more oxygen and/or do with less - but also because their haemoglobin protein itself can bind to more oxygen molecules than humans. I am just waiting for a chemist to design a branch of EPO that capitalizes on this unique haemoglobin feature of high flying birds in an undetectable way. Even if it is not undetectable it will still be used for "off-testing cycle" periods and use. Once this new EPO (if that's what they call it) is designed, it will kill the current EPO market; which is in the billions already. Anybody that thinks boxers can't illegally benefit from EPO in the above-mentioned manners is kidding themselves and ignoring one of Gennady Golovkins major (legal) advantages; high altitude training. Because high altitude training, blood doping and EPO do virtually the same thing to the body. In fact, timeframes taken to realize the benefits aside, and staying with how the body reacts to fight fatigue in sports and exercise; there is very little difference between what the body does at high altitude training to that of blood doping and EPO use. So, anyone thinking EPO won't work in boxing may as well say; "neither will training of any kind". Lance Armstrong used to - quite literally - whilst he was in a roadside tent with masses of people and media waiting just outside to photograph and/or interview him after completing a day’s leg on a tour; transfuse huge amounts of EPO enriched blood into his body. So much so, that he also had to take some of his own out to make room. The human body, usually, holds just over 5 litres of blood. Upon Lance leaving the tent and brazenly going straight into a presser just outside the tent, there was usually a mess of syringes, blood lines, and up to 7 or 8 transfusion bags (each approximately 0.8 litres) dumped and left for trusted team members to quickly conceal and clean; accounting for both the just completed blood extraction and re-introduction processes. You can only imagine how re-EPO-doped the blood was that was taken from Lance during these (sometimes twice) daily “transfusion behind close tent-doors sessions” was; just before that same blood was taken and stored for future use in exactly the same circumstances. Lance Armstrong, per successful tour, made nowhere near the prize money that top professional fighters make today, including; Chavez Jr, Froch, Kahn, Hatton, Canelo, Pacquaio, and Mayweather.


-stormcentre :

I’m not saying it’s right, but EPO (done correctly) helps all athletes. If not, then fighters would not train at high altitude and/or train at all. In fact, when you first try to do 8 rounds with high intensity, and can't. But then, later, perhaps after 6 months or a year of trying and training; you can. From a purely cardiovascular, oxygen, hypoxia, and all other things related (which is really all that governs your fitness) the reason you can after 6 months or a year of trying and training is because you have repetitively induced hypoxia from regularly trying to do exercises that your body can't facilitate with enough oxygen. After a while (the above-mentioned 6 months or a year of trying and training), and, also as you make all the incremental improvements (perhaps increasing 1 round per 2 months; to get to the goal of 8 hard/fast rounds); your body eventually responds and manufactures enough red blood cells and haemoglobin to carry the oxygen to the muscles and tissues that needs it to carry out the exercise being asked of it. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of the same blood type, it triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's easier and quicker. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of EPO enriched compatible-blood, in addition to the huge amounts of "extra" red blood cells and haemoglobin that's already in the EPO doped transfusion-blood, it also triggers your body to naturally release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's much, much easier and much, much quicker. Then you go and exercise to a greater extent which . . . . . triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin. That's why this stuff, and PES that act like it, are gold in sports that have huge cash prizes. Not in the least as it almost always blows away endurance barriers. Championship professional boxing, by and large, possesses a huge cardiovascular (aerobic and anaerobic) hurdle and/or endurance barrier. Professional boxing, at that above stated level, is probably as physically and cardiovascularly hard - although in different terms to cycling - to fight 3 minutes of every round of a 12 round fight against good opposition - as it is to do the day-uphill climb leg of the Tour De-France (I lived with the son of a guy that played a part in organizing the tour). This is why EPO has found a home in boxing; for now at least. EPO is not a steroid like what some body builders use. But, if you also - at the same time - take HGH and/or another steroid like chemical that assists with muscle building, then you also have greater muscle "mass" and endurance. They, then, can accept and utilize more oxygen. And what provides and/or facilitates more oxygen? Exercise, EPO, high altitude training, red blood cells and haemoglobin. So, round and round we go. Getting physically and cardiovascularly fitter. Some eagles/birds have evolved to fly extremely high - up where there is very little air/oxygen. They have adapted to these conditions because both their hunters and prey can't fly that high. They have also adapted to these conditions not only because their red blood cells have high counts of haemoglobin allowing them to carry more oxygen and/or do with less - but also because their haemoglobin protein itself can bind to more oxygen molecules than humans. I am just waiting for a chemist to design a branch of EPO that capitalizes on this unique haemoglobin feature of high flying birds in an undetectable way. Even if it is not undetectable it will still be used for "off-testing cycle" periods and use. Once this new EPO (if that's what they call it) is designed, it will kill the current EPO market; which is in the billions already. Anybody that thinks boxers can't illegally benefit from EPO in the above-mentioned manners is kidding themselves and ignoring one of Gennady Golovkins major (legal) advantages; high altitude training. Because high altitude training, blood doping and EPO do virtually the same thing to the body. In fact, timeframes taken to realize the benefits aside, and staying with how the body reacts to fight fatigue in sports and exercise; there is very little difference between what the body does at high altitude training to that of blood doping and EPO use. So, anyone thinking EPO won't work in boxing may as well say; "neither will training of any kind". Lance Armstrong used to - quite literally - whilst he was in a roadside tent with masses of people and media waiting just outside to photograph and/or interview him after completing a day’s leg on a tour; transfuse huge amounts of EPO enriched blood into his body. So much so, that he also had to take some of his own out to make room. The human body, usually, holds just over 5 litres of blood. Upon Lance leaving the tent and brazenly going straight into a presser just outside the tent, there was usually a mess of syringes, blood lines, and up to 7 or 8 transfusion bags (each approximately 0.8 litres) dumped and left for trusted team members to quickly conceal and clean; accounting for both the just completed blood extraction and re-introduction processes. You can only imagine how re-EPO-doped the blood was that was taken from Lance during these (sometimes twice) daily “transfusion behind close tent-doors sessions” was; just before that same blood was taken and stored for future use in exactly the same circumstances. Lance Armstrong, per successful tour, made nowhere near the prize money that top professional fighters make today, including; Chavez Jr, Froch, Kahn, Hatton, Canelo, Pacquaio, and Mayweather.


-stormcentre :

I’m not saying it’s right, but EPO (done correctly) helps all athletes. If not, then fighters would not train at high altitude and/or train at all. In fact, when you first try to do 8 rounds with high intensity, and can't. But then, later, perhaps after 6 months or a year of desperately and exhaustively trying and training (and therefore inducing hypoxia); you can finally do it. From a purely cardiovascular, oxygen, hypoxia, and all other things related (which is really all that governs your fitness) the reason you can after 6 months or a year of trying and training is because you have repetitively induced hypoxia from regularly trying to do exercises that your body can't facilitate with enough oxygen. After a while (the above-mentioned 6 months or a year of trying and training), and, also as you make all the incremental improvements (perhaps increasing 1 round per 2 months; to get to the goal of 8 hard/fast rounds); your body eventually responds and manufactures enough red blood cells and haemoglobin to carry the oxygen to the muscles and tissues that needs it to carry out the exercise being asked of it. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of the same blood type, it triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's easier and quicker. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of EPO enriched compatible-blood, in addition to the huge amounts of "extra" red blood cells and haemoglobin that's already in the EPO doped transfusion-blood, it also triggers your body to naturally release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's much, much easier and much, much quicker. Then you go and exercise to a greater extent which . . . . . triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin. That's why this stuff, and PES that act like it, are gold in sports that have huge cash prizes. Not in the least as it almost always blows away endurance barriers. Championship professional boxing, by and large, possesses a huge cardiovascular (aerobic and anaerobic) hurdle and/or endurance barrier. Professional boxing, at that above stated level, is probably as physically and cardiovascularly hard - although in different terms to cycling - to fight 3 minutes of every round of a 12 round fight against good opposition - as it is to do the day-uphill climb leg of the Tour De-France (I lived with the son of a guy that played a part in organizing the tour). This is why EPO has found a home in boxing; for now at least. EPO is not a steroid like what some body builders use. But, if you also - at the same time - take HGH and/or another steroid like chemical that assists with muscle building, then you also have greater muscle "mass" and endurance. They, then, can accept and utilize more oxygen. And what provides and/or facilitates more oxygen? Exercise, EPO, high altitude training, red blood cells and haemoglobin. So, round and round we go. Getting physically and cardiovascularly fitter. Some eagles/birds have evolved to fly extremely high - up where there is very little air/oxygen. They have adapted to these conditions because both their hunters and prey can't fly that high. They have also adapted to these conditions not only because their red blood cells have high counts of haemoglobin allowing them to carry more oxygen and/or do with less - but also because their haemoglobin protein itself can bind to more oxygen molecules than humans. I am just waiting for a chemist to design a branch of EPO that capitalizes on this unique haemoglobin feature of high flying birds in an undetectable way. Even if it is not undetectable it will still be used for "off-testing cycle" periods and use. Once this new EPO (if that's what they call it) is designed, it will kill the current EPO market; which is in the billions already. Anybody that thinks boxers can't illegally benefit from EPO in the above-mentioned manners is kidding themselves and ignoring one of Gennady Golovkins major (legal) advantages; high altitude training. Because high altitude training, blood doping and EPO do virtually the same thing to the body. In fact, timeframes taken to realize the benefits aside, and staying with how the body reacts to fight fatigue in sports and exercise; there is very little fundamental difference between what the body does at high altitude training to that of blood doping and EPO use. Just that with blood doping and/or EPO you can achieve your fitness and stamina goals much easier and much quicker, than by normal and legal methods. I estimate that the above-mentioned - 6 months or a year of desperately and exhaustively trying and training (and therefore inducing hypoxia) to get to the point where 8 really intense rounds were doable - could - depending on both, how aggressive your doping and EPO regime was and how deep your pockets were - come down to a few months. And, that also whilst the goalposts were possibly also shifted up to 10 rounds; not 8. That's how much this stuff improves performance. So, anyone thinking EPO won't work in boxing may as well say; "neither will training of any kind". Lance Armstrong used to - quite literally - whilst he was in a roadside tent with masses of people and media waiting just outside to photograph and/or interview him after completing a day’s leg on a tour; transfuse huge amounts of EPO enriched blood into his body. So much so, that he also had to take some of his own out to make room. The human body, usually, holds just over 5 litres of blood. Upon Lance leaving the tent and brazenly going straight into a presser just outside the tent, there was usually a mess of syringes, blood lines, and up to 7 or 8 transfusion bags (each approximately 0.8 litres) dumped and left for trusted team members to quickly conceal and clean; accounting for both the just completed blood extraction and re-introduction processes. You can only imagine how re-EPO-doped the blood was that was taken from Lance during these (sometimes twice) daily “transfusion behind close tent-doors sessions” was; just before that same blood was taken and stored for future use in exactly the same circumstances. Lance Armstrong, per successful tour, made nowhere near the prize money that top professional fighters make today, including; Chavez Jr, Froch, Kahn, Hatton, Canelo, Pacquaio, and Mayweather.


-stormcentre :

I’m not saying it’s right, but EPO (done correctly) helps all athletes. If not, then fighters would not train at high altitude and/or train at all. In fact, when you first try to do 8 rounds with high intensity, and can't. But then, later, perhaps after 6 months or a year of desperately and exhaustively trying and training (and therefore inducing hypoxia); you can finally do it. From a purely cardiovascular, oxygen, hypoxia, and all other things related (which is really all that governs your fitness) the reason you can after 6 months or a year of trying and training is because you have repetitively induced hypoxia from regularly trying to do exercises that your body can't facilitate with enough oxygen. After a while (the above-mentioned 6 months or a year of trying and training), and, also as you make all the incremental improvements (perhaps increasing 1 round per 2 months; to get to the goal of 8 hard/fast rounds); your body eventually responds and manufactures enough red blood cells and haemoglobin to carry the oxygen to the muscles and tissues that needs it to carry out the exercise being asked of it. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of the same blood type, it triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's easier and quicker. When you transfuse your blood with a fresh batch of EPO enriched compatible-blood, in addition to the huge amounts of "extra" red blood cells and haemoglobin that's already in the EPO doped transfusion-blood, it also triggers your body to naturally release more red blood cells and haemoglobin; just as exercise does - but this way it's much, much easier and much, much quicker. Then you go and exercise to a greater extent which . . . . . triggers your body to release more red blood cells and haemoglobin. That's why this stuff, and PES that act like it, are gold in sports that have huge cash prizes. Not in the least as it almost always blows away endurance barriers. Championship professional boxing, by and large, possesses a huge cardiovascular (aerobic and anaerobic) hurdle and/or endurance barrier. Professional boxing, at that above stated level, is probably as physically and cardiovascularly hard - although in different terms to cycling - to fight 3 minutes of every round of a 12 round fight against good opposition - as it is to do the day-uphill climb leg of the Tour De-France (I lived with the son of a guy that played a part in organizing the tour). This is why EPO has found a home in boxing; for now at least. EPO is not a steroid like what some body builders use. But, if you also - at the same time - take HGH and/or another steroid like chemical that assists with muscle building, then you also have greater muscle "mass" and endurance. They, then, can accept and utilize more oxygen. And what provides and/or facilitates more oxygen? Exercise, EPO, high altitude training, red blood cells and haemoglobin. So, round and round we go. Getting physically and cardiovascularly fitter. Some eagles/birds have evolved to fly extremely high - up where there is very little air/oxygen. They have adapted to these conditions because both their hunters and prey can't fly that high. They have also adapted to these conditions not only because their red blood cells have high counts of haemoglobin allowing them to carry more oxygen and/or do with less - but also because their haemoglobin protein itself can bind to more oxygen molecules than humans. I am just waiting for a chemist to design a branch of EPO that capitalizes on this unique haemoglobin feature of high flying birds in an undetectable way. Even if it is not undetectable it will still be used for "off-testing cycle" periods and use. Once this new EPO (if that's what they call it) is designed, it will kill the current EPO market; which is in the billions already. Anybody that thinks boxers can't illegally benefit from EPO in the above-mentioned manners is kidding themselves and ignoring one of Gennady Golovkins major (legal) advantages; high altitude training. Because high altitude training, blood doping and EPO do virtually the same thing to the body. In fact, timeframes taken to realize the benefits aside, and staying with how the body reacts to fight fatigue in sports and exercise; there is very little fundamental difference between what the body does at high altitude training to that of blood doping and EPO use. Just that with blood doping and/or EPO you; A) Can create a situation where your body has (more than) all the red blood cells and heamoglobin it would probably finally get, after a year of desperately training/trying; in half the time - if not considerably less. B) Can achieve your fitness and stamina goals much easier and much quicker, than by normal and legal methods. I estimate that the above-mentioned - 6 months or a year of desperately and exhaustively trying and training (and therefore inducing hypoxia) to get to the point where 8 really intense rounds were doable - could - depending on both, how aggressive your doping and EPO regime was and how deep your pockets were - come down to a few months. And, that's also whilst the goalposts were possibly also shifted up to 10 rounds; not 8. That's how much this stuff improves performance. So, anyone thinking EPO won't work in boxing may as well say; "neither will training of any kind". Lance Armstrong used to - quite literally - whilst he was in a roadside tent with masses of people and media waiting just outside to photograph and/or interview him after completing a day’s leg on a tour; transfuse huge amounts of EPO enriched blood into his body. So much so, that he also had to take some of his own out to make room. The human body, usually, holds just over 5 litres of blood. Upon Lance leaving the tent and brazenly going straight into a presser just outside the tent, there was usually a mess of syringes, blood lines, and up to 7 or 8 transfusion bags (each approximately 0.8 litres) dumped and left for trusted team members to quickly conceal and clean; accounting for both the just completed blood extraction and re-introduction processes. You can only imagine how re-EPO-doped the blood was that was taken from Lance during these (sometimes twice) daily “transfusion behind close tent-doors sessions” was; just before that same blood was taken and stored for future use in exactly the same circumstances. Lance Armstrong, per successful tour, made nowhere near the prize money that top professional fighters make today, including; Chavez Jr, Froch, Kahn, Hatton, Canelo, Pacquaio, and Mayweather.


-Domenic :

Great stuff there. I just watched that Armstrong documentary the other day and you're right on the money. Anyone who thinks doping doesn't help needs only to read your post. Nicely done.


-Radam G :

Great stuff there. I just watched that Armstrong documentary the other day and you're right on the money. Anyone who thinks doping doesn't help needs only to read your post. Nicely done.
Do you know how many people who doped who have made it to the top of the top? That's what I thought! Not many! Not even one percent in boxing. $kills get you over the hills. $kills pay those bills. Just believing in DAT syet, doesn't get you any kills. The myth of roids and PEDs get you ill health. And without skills, you will never get to the wealth. Lance Armstrong had the benefits of mad cycling skills for those roids to help him pay the bills. Foods and PEDs have a placebo effect of working in boxing. You will get better benefits with beets, beans and buckwheat. If you don't have natural-born-beat-an arse in you for the sweet science, roids and PEDs won't enable you. Wrong sports, babeee! Holla!


-Domenic :

Do you know how many people who doped who have made it to the top of the top? That's what I thought! Not many! Not even one percent in boxing. $kills get you over the hills. $kills pay those bills. Just believing in DAT syet, doesn't get you any kills. The myth of roids and PEDs get you ill health. And without skills, you will never get to the wealth. Lance Armstrong had the benefits of mad cycling skills for those roids to help him pay the bills. Foods and PEDs have a placebo effect of working in boxing. You will get better benefits with beets, beans and buckwheat. If you don't have natural-born-beat-an arse in you for the sweet science, roids and PEDs won't enable you. Wrong sports, babeee! Holla!
Agreed. That's exactly what I said, using Barry Bonds as an example (Hall of Famer BEFORE juicing; unseen, cartoonish numbers after juicing).