So Floyd Has Been Hurting Sparring Partners…

So, word is that Floyd as been a beast in camp, offering free tattoos to sparring partners. Yeah, art work in the form of bruises, bumps, lumps, has them seeing stars. Freddie Roach has heard that; is he thinking that Floyd will be a less cerebral, and more visceral guy come May 2, that he will be looking to drop and stop Pacman?

“Stopping sparring partners is a good confidence builder,” the Massachusetts native, who won his 7th trainer of the year award from the BWAA, told me. “But can you do it in the fight? Unless it’s fight time, it doesn’t mean nothing. Listen, at his gym, Floyd is in his comfort zone. And he has to have everything his way. He’s not going to have his way on fight night!”

Roach isn’t buying that “Money” is going to show off a new brand of vicious at the MGM, sounds like. He told me that if anything, he expects Floyd to maybe be an off brand as compared to when his Uncle Roger is head trainer. No, Roach doesn’t think so highly of the talents of Floyd’s dad, who will be his chief second. “Floyd is a better fighter with Roger in his corner,” Roach said. “Senior tells everyone he’s the best trainer in the world…But Floyd trains himself.”

Readers, is it possible that Mayweather digs down, sets down on his shots, and goes after what he might think is a susceptible chin on the Congressman? Talk to me, in our Forum!

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COMMENTS

-Brad :

Other than walking into that JMM punch, when has Pacquiao been hurt in the last 6 years? And other than hitting a clueless Victor Ortiz when he wasn't defending himself, who has Floyd dropped in the past 5-6 years? Floyd isn't going to drop Pac like his sparring partners. His path to victory is not to exploit Manny's chin (which is excellent) it's to counter and fluster Manny with defense, doing only what he feels is necessary on offense to win (see the Oscar fight).Manny is hardly a ring great when it comes to cutting off the ring and feinting opponents. He makes up for these weaknesses with quickness in hands and feet and punching in volume. Floyd has probably seen what many have recently, Manny slowing down a bit, trying to re-establish power to make up for slowing hands and feet.


-Radam G :

Team May and Fam May are the biggest con artists and humbugs since the Wizard of Oz and his crew at the Emerald City. Hehehe! OMFG! Sin City is poppin!' And Money May's arse, Da Manny is definitely stoppin!' Holla!


-The Shadow :

Other than walking into that JMM punch, when has Pacquiao been hurt in the last 6 years?

->http://youtu.be/2CPs8wJPelk?t=16m58s
->http://youtu.be/NSn3wWoKz-k?t=11m49s
->http://youtu.be/kXq6QA89ZqE?t=33m
->http://youtu.be/GfBmqlO6rh4?t=10m12s


-The Shadow :

Other than walking into that JMM punch, when has Pacquiao been hurt in the last 6 years?
Quite a few times:
->http://youtu.be/2CPs8wJPelk?t=16m58s
->http://youtu.be/NSn3wWoKz-k?t=11m49s
->http://youtu.be/kXq6QA89ZqE?t=33m
->http://youtu.be/GfBmqlO6rh4?t=10m12s


-deepwater2 :

Its all an act. a disclaimer should be added to after any interview floyd's team does. After the fake weed and Floyd admitted it is all an act in court ,you might be insane if you believe any story out of that camp. Film it and show it and let the fans see it. other than that Floyd can smoke fake weed, eat fake mcdonalds and beat up on 170 lb parking lot attendants and fool some people.


-Radam G :

Its all an act. a disclaimer should be added to after any interview floyd's team does. After the fake weed and Floyd admitted it is all an act in court ,you might be insane if you believe any story out of that camp. Film it and show it and let the fans see it. other than that Floyd can smoke fake weed, eat fake mcdonalds and beat up on 170 lb parking lot attendants and fool some people.
Ditto! Lil Floyd dropped a 45-year-old punching bag with eyes and bad vision and bad balance. And cheers goes up for Lil Floyd. Give me a break! He is still running his cons. Holla!


-Radam G :

Its all an act. a disclaimer should be added to after any interview floyd's team does. After the fake weed and Floyd admitted it is all an act in court ,you might be insane if you believe any story out of that camp. Film it and show it and let the fans see it. other than that Floyd can smoke fake weed, eat fake mcdonalds and beat up on 170 lb parking lot attendants and fool some people.
Ditto! Lil Floyd dropped a 45-year-old punching bag with eyes and bad vision and bad balance. And cheers goes up for Lil Floyd. Give me a break! He is still running his cons. Holla!


-#1 PacFan :

If Floyd becomes aggressive against PAC I'm moving my prediction in the early rounds like 5th round stoppage. Manny is by far the best fighter if faced against a come forward style fighter. Manny can take a punch when his opponents are engaging with him which enables him to brace for the punch. Its those punches that you don't see that puts fighters to sleep. That's why counter punchers are so dangerous. If Floyd boxes Manny and is able to hurt him Manny could be his 48th victim. But....that's not going to happen. Manny by MD or 9th round stoppage.


-brownsugar :

Floyd backed up Ortiz, Canelo, Shane Mosley, and Cotto when it suits him....And again he will be walking down Pac during certain phases of the fight...because every one knows Pac isnt effective backing up. .. He gets frustrated against lateral movement and he can't take it to the body. But he's good at working around his deficits because he knows hows to keep his opponents busy. Once Floyd catches up the tempo of the fight look for Floyd to shut down any bum-rushing by Manny. You cant think in single diminsions terms about this fight...Floyds aggression is patient and smooth.. Not suicidal like James Kirkland Also nobody is intimidated by sparring talk. Every major fight has its share of it but Floyd NEVER talks about his training exploits publically. Folks say that sparring with Zab and Corely is not beneficial... But pros spar with varying degrees of quality sparring partners. The weaker ones help knock the rust off and offer an opportunity to practice without much danger of getting injured. The better ones allow the fighter to put his training into practical use in a hostile environment. Floyd knows propaganda doesnt win fights. The real mind games are already being played.


-brownsugar :

Floyd backed up Ortiz, Canelo, Shane Mosley, and Cotto when it suited him....And again he will be walking down Pac during certain phases of the fight...because every one knows Pac isnt effective backing up. .. He gets frustrated against lateral movement and he can't take it to the body. But he's good at working around his deficits because he knows hows to keep his opponents busy. Once Floyd catches up the tempo of the fight look for Floyd to shut down any bum-rushing by Manny. You cant think in single diminsional terms about this fight...Floyds aggression is patient and smooth.. Not suicidal like James Kirkland Pac isnt Ricky Hatton and Floyd isnt Tim Bradley...this fight will be fought on equai terms. For a while any way. Also nobody is intimidated by sparring talk. Every major fight has its share of it but Floyd NEVER talks about his training exploits publically. Folks say that sparring with Zab and Corely is not beneficial... But pros spar with varying degrees of quality sparring partners. The weaker ones help knock the rust off and offer an opportunity to practice without much danger of getting injured. The better ones allow the fighter to put his training into practical use in a hostile environment. Floyd knows propaganda doesnt win fights. The real mind games are already being played.


-Radam G :

Wow! That is a BIG, BIG myth about Da Manny not being dangerous while back up. He has gotten in trouble rushing forward, not knocking pugs down and out while angling or "going backward." Money May will be rope-a-doping and bytch hoping that he can catch Da Manny rushing in, not backing up. Da Manny backing up is what got Ricky Hatton KTFO when Big Floyd was Hatton's trainer. Lil Floyd ain't gonna be walking nowhere near Da Manny. Lil Floyd is going be bytch running and double-bytch holding and elbowing and Terrified, wide-eyed rope-a-bytching. The only thing that he is going to walk down is his corner when the bell rings between round. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Wow! That is a BIG, BIG myth about Da Manny not being dangerous while back up. He has gotten in trouble rushing forward, not knocking pugs down and out while angling or "going backward." Money May will be rope-a-doping and bytch hoping that he can catch Da Manny rushing in, not backing up. Da Manny backing up is what got Ricky Hatton KTFO when Big Floyd was Hatton's trainer. Lil Floyd ain't gonna be walking nowhere near Da Manny. Lil Floyd is going be bytch running and double-bytch holding and elbowing and Terrified, wide-eyed rope-a-bytching. The only thing that he is going to walk down is his corner when the bell rings between round. Holla!
It would be bytch-hilarious to see Floyd in total avoidance mode the whole fight. There would have been no need to sign the contract. ... after the first few precarious rounds. When Manny's is most likely to get to Floyd. ...some subtle changes and role reversals will occur. Floyd will begin to draw blood.


-The Shadow :

It would be bytch-hilarious to see Floyd in total avoidance mode the whole fight. There would have been no need to sign the contract. ... after the first few precarious rounds. When Manny's is most likely to get to Floyd. ...some subtle changes and role reversals will occur. Floyd will begin to draw blood.
Suge, he finna kill this boy. I've said it over and over, there's a greater chance Pacquiao dies from his injuries than him winning this fight. This is the biggest PPV mismatch since Lewis-Tyson. I scratch my head over and over how adults can call other adults names for favoring the consensus No. 1 in the sport who happens to have the best defense recorded in history -- as well as offense efficiency -- over a guy who's arguably lost 7 times and was losing to a notoriously dumb Bradley after six rounds. What's even more dumbfounding is how people remain convinced that this guy, who has lost plenty of times and hasn't had a clean KO in about a decade, will suddenly knock out the guy who has fought better fighters and has been visibly hurt on circa three occasions in 19 years -- and on those occasions the bell either had rung or he proceeded to beat the absolute sh*t out of each guy, in sadistic fashion at that. Not to mention that stylistically, said guy with the aforementioned best defense ever just so happens to possess every offensive quality that ever troubled the guy everyone seems to figure will now, at 36, figure it all out. Against the CONSENSUS -- not my opinion, but universally regarded -- best fighter in the world. Ok... Look, forgive me for employing common sense. Forgive me for not believing. The myopia is strong, man. God bless you. Like I said, this dude fucking dies from his wounds before he kayos, let alone ever wins seven rounds against Floyd Mayweather Jr.


-The Shadow :

By the way, Suge, I can personally confirm every account coming out of MBC. Not that it means much -- world class fighters should be able to drop inferior fighters, 16 oz or not -- but come May 2, I wouldn't be shocked to see him say "**** it" and throw his brittle, injured girlie hands with no regard for future fights and just seek to end a career. For both. Hey, why did people hate Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali so much in the 60s?


-stormcentre :

ain't gonna be walking nowhere near Da Manny. Lil Floyd is going be bytch running and double-bytch holding and elbowing and Terrified, wide-eyed rope-a-bytching. The only thing that he is going to walk down is his corner when the bell rings between round. Holla!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMRG I want some of what your smoking . . . . . Some of your quotes are not only questionable - but they're also becoming like Manny's reckless attacking forays - getting away with what they can and being successful whilst no-one can see what is happening. And the fact that it's (still) happening after yesterday's sparring session and "touch up" is also something of note. Let's just look at your above quote, of which I have bolded for you. I don't have much time as I am in NZ and a hurry. OK, let's get down to it. Please go here and use this video as a reference;
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zX-aYlKN4 Around the 1:01 point (time remaining of round 1) of the fight - after a feel out process involving a lot of ragged exchanges and roughhouse tactics by both guys, and also some obvious Pacquaio holding/clinching - Pacquaio enters into a slightly wild exchange with Ricky (whom has absolutely no defence and has been already hit by numerous Pacquaio lead/counter right hooks and straight lefts) and gets the better of it. Have a decent look at how open Pacquaio is as he exchanges. His speed allows him to be this defensively liable. Imagine Pacquaio doing that with a guy that not only has a good defence - but one that can also knit punches through such a careless attack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Before I get deeper into the Hatton V Pacquaio fight, I should say that - contrary to your above comments - I can't see Pacquaio seriously bothering Floyd on the ropes either. As this is usually where Mayweather is most comfortable and does some of his best work. Additionally, Pacquaio almost always has no (or not enough) defensive thoughts/moves when he throws punches at guys trapped on the ropes. Also, most guys that Pacquaio blasts out with fast or numerous punches don’t really have the ability to pick him off as he throws; which is why Pacquaio’s defenceless style has evolved to be where it is and almost solely reliant upon speed. It will most likely be a different kettle of fish when Pacquaio is in with someone that can (when they want, set up shots and) punch (fast/hard) with him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Around the 0:56 seconds remaining point of round 1 of the fight, we see the 1st knockdown of the fight occurs (as an event that followed straight on from the above-mentioned sequences); where Pacquaio catches (a completely defenseless) Hatton (as he is about to throw a left hook) with his own right hook. Pacquaio - before this knockdown - had already caught Ricky with the same punch several times - for example; around the 1:05 seconds remaining point of the same round. At this stage it was clear that Ricky couldn’t handle Pacquaio’s speed, and perhaps his strength also; meaning there was no chance Ricky could time Pacquaio. This 1st KD didn’t involve Pacquaio going backwards. The 2nd knockdown of Hatton occurs around the 0:09 seconds remaining point of round 1 mark of the fight where - after Pacquaio has pretty much battered Ricky since he beat the count associated with the last knockdown - we see the 2nd knockdown of the fight occurs (as the result of a series of Pacquaio punches finalized by his almost completely blocked left cross, still) depositing Ricky on the canvass; in the neutral corner. Hatton makes it up and beats the count. Shortly thereafter Bayless calls time for round 1, and with it the “about-to-happen eminent result” hangs in the air; like the bad smell of the old days . . . . when a stay of execution then quite literally meant you publicly waited - up on a platform, with noose around neck, and inhaling the vapors of your underwear garments that usually were both wet and full of gelatinous brown volume and/or colloidal stool - in front of all curious and bemused town-folk and/or onlookers; whilst your obvious fate was slightly delayed. In knocking down Hatton for the 2nd time Pacquaio showed great timing, and (with the blow that delivered the knockdown) he also ducked under Ricky’s left hook (moves that were applauded by the commentary team). However, the slow motion replay of the 1st knockdown (28:31 time elapsed of the actual YouTube video) shows that Pacquaio really hadn’t expected to get away from Ricky’s left hook; so there was some luck involved in that aspect of the “event”. Still, Pacquaio did very well with this sequence so early in the fight, and with it, it announced (what Roach already knew) that Hatton could not deal with Pacquaio’s speed. Pacquaio was not even at full intensity or anywhere near spent stamina-wise, so it was pretty obvious what was going to “Hatton” now and/or in the following round 2. This 2nd KD didn’t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. In between rounds 1 and 2, as Hatton despondently sat on his corner stool, Floyd Sr. gave excellent advice that went something like . . . “This is what I have been trying to tell you - you got to move your head man - feint and jab [to get shots in] - just don’t try and move in like that [walking up without a defence] and try and overpower him [Pacquaio] - keep your hands up man - you should have been looking at this [defence] from day 1”. Hatton raises off his stool after the bell for round 2 sounds, and proceeds to; A) Do nothing Floyd Sr. asked of him. B) Get beaten to most punches by Pacquaio. At the 2:16 remaining time of round 2, Hatton walks up to Manny and throws a right hand lead - to which Pacquaio, in response, counters quite nicely (but not without some recklessness) with a right hand and left cross of his own - marking probably what is some of the most telling blows in this round so far. At the 1:52 (or just before) remaining time of round 2, it can be seen that (despite what our stoned MMMRG may say/claim) Manny is actually holding and/or clinching. One can only assume that this is because Pacquaio’s forte is not usually in-fighting away from the ropes - where, coincidentally, Hatton has earned a reasonable reputation. At the 1:50 remaining time of round 2, Kenny Bayless yells stop to separate Hatton and Pacquaio and then what ensues is . . . At the 1:43 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio lands a decent left body shot followed by a hard left cross that seems to stun (the already dejected) looking Hatton. For another 10 seconds or so - save for a few good left hooks authored by Hatton - Pacquaio then outsmarts and trumps Ricky with a combination of awkward movement and heavy punches; softening him up for the finale. At the 1:20 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio - just after Bayless separates them both again and warns Hatton for hitting Pacquaio (illegally) behind the head - lands a very strong right hook over the top of Ricky’s left hand; in anticipation for Ricky’s right cross lead that misses. This punch (Pacquaio’s very strong right hook landing on Ricky’s left cheek) not only sets up what follows and the downfall of Ricky (who I think is a great guy) - but also robs him of what punch resistance was remaining both psychologically and physically within his person. Ricky then appears to handle the punch and has some success ducking a Pacquaio punch and closing ground in on him; from where they both again end being tangled up together in close ranges. Pacquaio seems to like to hold when they get in close. From here, Ricky tries to maul Pacquaio resulting in another warning from Bayless (at the 1:15 remaining time of round 2); before he separates them again. After the above-mentioned separation Ricky comes forward to Pacquaio, again looking to land - with varying degrees of less than acceptable success - left hooks and the occasional right hand; mostly though this results only in Hatton either walking into Pacquaio’s faster shots, or them both getting tangled up in close - where the frustration is (understandably) difficult for Ricky to contain; resulting in Hatton attempting to maul Pacquaio. At the 0:50 remaining time of round 2 - just after and before some more reckless fighting on both fighter’s parts (of which Ricky was stronger physically - whilst Pacquaio was stronger punch-wise) - Pacquaio breaks out (0:40 remaining time of round 2) into an attacking foray that Hatton cannot hold off. Hatton backs up under the speed, pressure and intensity of the attack authored by Pacquaio, that is - like most of Ricky’s applied strategy in this fight - almost devoid of any defensive thinking. Pacquaio gets away with this strategy though, as he is simply way too fast for Hatton to deal with - even if Hatton were fresh. But not necessarily if it were the same Hatton that beat Kostya Tszyu (but that’s another story). At the 0:40 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio has Ricky in the corner from where he proceeds to land some telling blows. At 0:37 remaining time of round 2, Bayless again separates them (it is clear Pacquaio either doesn’t want to and/or was instructed not to fight in close with Ricky; as Pacquaio holds a lot when they both are in close) and Ricky then bounces backwards to centre ring of his own accord; ready for the next piece of fistic action coming his way. The action resumes at 0:33 of the remaining point-time within round 2; when Ricky leans to his left (looking to land a left body rip or uppercut) at exactly the same time as Pacquaio leans to his own left also (looking to land what appears to be a left body hook). Both fighters are unsuccessful in these/their attempts to land these shots. As a result Ricky then tries to compensate with a missed left hook - at almost exactly the same time that Pacquaio also misses with the same (southpaw originated) Punch. They then execute a few sloppy punches before again coming towards each other at the 0:26 remaining point-time of round 2; again requiring Bayless’ intervention. This sets up their final stanza. Once the action resumes Ricky attempts to land punches that can change the course of action to his favor, but his confidence and lungs (along with Pacquaio) all say something else. As those stark realizations scream through the central nervous system and are channeled up into the appropriate lobes of Hatton’s cerebrum; Pacquaio comes forward relentlessly with a mixture of successful body and head shots. With the video showing 12 or 11 seconds (but definitely not 10) remaining in round 2, and the official clacker-sound of 10 seconds remaining echoing through the video and venue itself; Hatton (as Pacquaio virtually remains upright and in the same location on the canvass; before himself moving *forward to Ricky) reverses out of close ranges - then Hatton comes forward (along with *Pacquaio) towards Pacquaio again - from where (with 9 seconds remaining in round 2) Pacquaio measures Hatton up with an extended right hand; that Hatton defensively ignores. With 8 seconds in round 2 remaining (and at the same time {but not because} Ricky looks to launch a left hook) Pacquaio - drops his left hand and then shoots it directly over and onto Ricky’s jaw line where it; A) Ends the fight. B) Knocks Ricky out. C) Removes any residual resistance Hatton’s fighting spirit and ego may have had to the starch running through his veins that carried the previously unwanted signals Pacquaio authored; that had themselves forced their way into Ricky’s central nervous system - from where they infected his cerebrum and altered his thought processes. With that fight-ending left cross Pacquaio threw, it drew an unmistakable end and conclusion to whom of the two champions were better. Another great Pacquaio fight to go in the archives. This 3rd and final KO/KD didn’t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. So, from the 3 knockdowns that the Hatton V Pacquaio fight delivered, none involved Pacquaio going backwards. Over to you MMMRG. I want what you're smoking. :)


-stormcentre :

ain't gonna be walking nowhere near Da Manny. Lil Floyd is going be bytch running and double-bytch holding and elbowing and Terrified, wide-eyed rope-a-bytching. The only thing that he is going to walk down is his corner when the bell rings between round. Holla!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMRG I want some of what your smoking . . . . . Some of your quotes are not only questionable - but they're also becoming like Manny's reckless attacking forays - getting away with what they can and being successful whilst no-one can see what is happening. And the fact that it's (still) happening after yesterday's sparring session and "touch up" is also something of note. Let's just look at your above quote, of which I have bolded for you. I don't have much time as I am in NZ and a hurry. OK, let's get down to it. Please go here and use this video as a reference;
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zX-aYlKN4 Around the 1:01 point (time remaining of round 1) of the fight - after a feel out process involving a lot of ragged exchanges and roughhouse tactics by both guys, and also some obvious Pacquaio holding/clinching - Pacquaio enters into a slightly wild exchange with Ricky (whom has absolutely no defence and has been already hit by numerous Pacquaio lead/counter right hooks and straight lefts) and gets the better of it. Have a decent look at how open Pacquaio is as he exchanges. His speed allows him to be this defensively liable. Imagine Pacquaio doing that with a guy that not only has a good defence - but one that can also knit punches through such a careless attack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Before I get deeper into the Hatton V Pacquaio fight, I should say that - contrary to your above comments - I can't see Pacquaio seriously bothering Floyd on the ropes either. As this is usually where Mayweather is most comfortable and does some of his best work. Additionally, Pacquaio almost always has no (or not enough) defensive thoughts/moves when he throws punches at guys trapped on the ropes. Also, most guys that Pacquaio blasts out with fast or numerous punches don?t really have the ability to pick him off as he throws; which is why Pacquaio?s defenceless style has evolved to be where it is and almost solely reliant upon speed. It will most likely be a different kettle of fish when Pacquaio is in with someone that can (when they want, set up shots and) punch (fast/hard) with him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Around the 0:56 seconds remaining point of round 1 of the fight, we see the 1st knockdown of the fight occurs (as an event that followed straight on from the above-mentioned sequences); where Pacquaio catches (a completely defenseless) Hatton (as he is about to throw a left hook) with his own right hook. Pacquaio - before this knockdown - had already caught Ricky with the same punch several times - for example; around the 1:05 seconds remaining point of the same round. At this stage it was clear that Ricky couldn?t handle Pacquaio?s speed, and perhaps his strength also; meaning there was no chance Ricky could time Pacquaio. This 1st KD didn?t involve Pacquaio going backwards. The 2nd knockdown of Hatton occurs around the 0:09 seconds remaining point of round 1 mark of the fight where - after Pacquaio has pretty much battered Ricky since he beat the count associated with the last knockdown - we see the 2nd knockdown of the fight occurs (as the result of a series of Pacquaio punches finalized by his almost completely blocked left cross, still) depositing Ricky on the canvass; in the neutral corner. Hatton makes it up and beats the count. Shortly thereafter Bayless calls time for round 1, and with it the ?about-to-happen eminent result? hangs in the air; like the bad smell of the old days . . . . when a stay of execution then quite literally meant you publicly waited - up on a platform, with noose around neck, and inhaling the vapors of your underwear garments that usually were both wet and full of gelatinous brown volume and/or colloidal stool - in front of all curious and bemused town-folk and/or onlookers; whilst your obvious fate was slightly delayed. In knocking down Hatton for the 2nd time Pacquaio showed great timing, and (with the blow that delivered the knockdown) he also ducked under Ricky?s left hook (moves that were applauded by the commentary team). However, the slow motion replay of the 1st knockdown (28:31 time elapsed of the actual YouTube video) shows that Pacquaio really hadn?t expected to get away from Ricky?s left hook; so there was some luck involved in that aspect of the ?event?. Still, Pacquaio did very well with this sequence so early in the fight, and with it, it announced (what Roach already knew) that Hatton could not deal with Pacquaio?s speed. Pacquaio was not even at full intensity or anywhere near spent stamina-wise, so it was pretty obvious what was going to ?Hatton? now and/or in the following round 2. This 2nd KD didn?t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. In between rounds 1 and 2, as Hatton despondently sat on his corner stool, Floyd Sr. gave excellent advice that went something like . . . ?This is what I have been trying to tell you - you got to move your head man - feint and jab [to get shots in] - just don?t try and move in like that [walking up without a defence] and try and overpower him [Pacquaio] - keep your hands up man - you should have been looking at this [defence] from day 1?. Hatton raises off his stool after the bell for round 2 sounds, and proceeds to; A) Do nothing Floyd Sr. asked of him. B) Get beaten to most punches by Pacquaio. At the 2:16 remaining time of round 2, Hatton walks up to Manny and throws a right hand lead - to which Pacquaio, in response, counters quite nicely (but not without some recklessness) with a right hand and left cross of his own - marking probably what is some of the most telling blows in this round so far. At the 1:52 (or just before) remaining time of round 2, it can be seen that (despite what our stoned MMMRG may say/claim) Manny is actually holding and/or clinching. One can only assume that this is because Pacquaio?s forte is not usually in-fighting away from the ropes - where, coincidentally, Hatton has earned a reasonable reputation. At the 1:50 remaining time of round 2, Kenny Bayless yells stop to separate Hatton and Pacquaio and then what ensues is . . . At the 1:43 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio lands a decent left body shot followed by a hard left cross that seems to stun (the already dejected) looking Hatton. For another 10 seconds or so - save for a few good left hooks authored by Hatton - Pacquaio then outsmarts and trumps Ricky with a combination of awkward movement and heavy punches; softening him up for the finale. At the 1:20 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio - just after Bayless separates them both again and warns Hatton for hitting Pacquaio (illegally) behind the head - lands a very strong right hook over the top of Ricky?s left hand; in anticipation for Ricky?s right cross lead that misses. This punch (Pacquaio?s very strong right hook landing on Ricky?s left cheek) not only sets up what follows and the downfall of Ricky (who I think is a great guy) - but also robs him of what punch resistance was remaining both psychologically and physically within his person. Ricky then appears to handle the punch and has some success ducking a Pacquaio punch and closing ground in on him; from where they both again end being tangled up together in close ranges. Pacquaio seems to like to hold when they get in close. From here, Ricky tries to maul Pacquaio resulting in another warning from Bayless (at the 1:15 remaining time of round 2); before he separates them again. After the above-mentioned separation Ricky comes forward to Pacquaio, again looking to land - with varying degrees of less than acceptable success - left hooks and the occasional right hand; mostly though this results only in Hatton either walking into Pacquaio?s faster shots, or them both getting tangled up in close - where the frustration is (understandably) difficult for Ricky to contain; resulting in Hatton attempting to maul Pacquaio. At the 0:50 remaining time of round 2 - just after and before some more reckless fighting on both fighter?s parts (of which Ricky was stronger physically - whilst Pacquaio was stronger punch-wise) - Pacquaio breaks out (0:40 remaining time of round 2) into an attacking foray that Hatton cannot hold off. Hatton backs up under the speed, pressure and intensity of the attack authored by Pacquaio, that is - like most of Ricky?s applied strategy in this fight - almost devoid of any defensive thinking. Pacquaio gets away with this strategy though, as he is simply way too fast for Hatton to deal with - even if Hatton were fresh. But not necessarily if it were the same Hatton that beat Kostya Tszyu (but that?s another story). At the 0:40 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio has Ricky in the corner from where he proceeds to land some telling blows. At 0:37 remaining time of round 2, Bayless again separates them (it is clear Pacquaio either doesn?t want to and/or was instructed not to fight in close with Ricky; as Pacquaio holds a lot when they both are in close) and Ricky then bounces backwards to centre ring of his own accord; ready for the next piece of fistic action coming his way. The action resumes at 0:33 of the remaining point-time within round 2; when Ricky leans to his left (looking to land a left body rip or uppercut) at exactly the same time as Pacquaio leans to his own left also (looking to land what appears to be a left body hook). Both fighters are unsuccessful in these/their attempts to land these shots. As a result Ricky then tries to compensate with a missed left hook - at almost exactly the same time that Pacquaio also misses with the same (southpaw originated) Punch. They then execute a few sloppy punches before again coming towards each other at the 0:26 remaining point-time of round 2; again requiring Bayless? intervention. This sets up their final stanza. Once the action resumes Ricky attempts to land punches that can change the course of action to his favor, but his confidence and lungs (along with Pacquaio) all say something else. As those stark realizations scream through the central nervous system and are channeled up into the appropriate lobes of Hatton?s cerebrum; Pacquaio comes forward relentlessly with a mixture of successful body and head shots. With the video showing 12 or 11 seconds (but definitely not 10) remaining in round 2, and the official clacker-sound of 10 seconds remaining echoing through the video and venue itself; Hatton (as Pacquaio virtually remains upright and in the same location on the canvass; before himself moving *forward to Ricky) reverses out of close ranges - then Hatton comes forward (along with *Pacquaio) towards Pacquaio again - from where (with 9 seconds remaining in round 2) Pacquaio measures Hatton up with an extended right hand; that Hatton defensively ignores. With 8 seconds in round 2 remaining (and at the same time {but not because} Ricky looks to launch a left hook) Pacquaio - drops his left hand and then shoots it directly over and onto Ricky?s jaw line where it; A) Ends the fight. B) Knocks Ricky out. C) Removes any residual resistance Hatton?s fighting spirit and ego may have had to the starch running through his veins that carried the previously unwanted signals Pacquaio authored; that had themselves forced their way into Ricky?s central nervous system - from where they infected his cerebrum and altered his thought processes. With that fight-ending left cross Pacquaio threw, it drew an unmistakable end and conclusion to whom of the two champions were better. Another great Pacquaio fight to go in the archives. This 3rd and final KO/KD didn?t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. So, from the 3 knockdowns that the Hatton V Pacquaio fight delivered, none involved Pacquaio going backwards. Over to you MMMRG. I want what you're smoking. :)


-stormcentre :

ain't gonna be walking nowhere near Da Manny. Lil Floyd is going be bytch running and double-bytch holding and elbowing and Terrified, wide-eyed rope-a-bytching. The only thing that he is going to walk down is his corner when the bell rings between round. Holla!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMRG I want some of what your smoking . . . . . Some of your quotes . . . . .
Da Manny backing up is what got Ricky Hatton KTFO when Big Floyd was Hatton's trainer. . . . are not only questionable - but they're also becoming like Manny's reckless attacking forays - getting away with what they can and being successful whilst no-one can see what is happening. And the fact that it's (still) happening after yesterday's sparring session and "touch up" is also something of note. Let's just look at your above quote, of which I have bolded for you. I don't have much time as I am in NZ and a hurry. OK, let's get down to it. Please go here and use this video as a reference;
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zX-aYlKN4 Around the 1:01 point (time remaining of round 1) of the fight - after a feel out process involving a lot of ragged exchanges and roughhouse tactics by both guys, and also some obvious Pacquaio holding/clinching - Pacquaio enters into a slightly wild exchange with Ricky (whom has absolutely no defence and has been already hit by numerous Pacquaio lead/counter right hooks and straight lefts) and gets the better of it. Have a decent look at how open Pacquaio is as he exchanges. His speed allows him to be this defensively liable. Imagine Pacquaio doing that with a guy that not only has a good defence - but one that can also knit punches through such a careless attack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Before I get deeper into the Hatton V Pacquaio fight, I should say that - contrary to your above comments - I can't see Pacquaio seriously bothering Floyd on the ropes either. As this is usually where Mayweather is most comfortable and does some of his best work. Additionally, Pacquaio almost always has no (or not enough) defensive thoughts/moves when he throws punches at guys trapped on the ropes. Also, most guys that Pacquaio blasts out with fast or numerous punches don’t really have the ability to pick him off as he throws; which is why Pacquaio’s defenceless style has evolved to be where it is and almost solely reliant upon speed. It will most likely be a different kettle of fish when Pacquaio is in with someone that can (when they want, set up shots and) punch (fast/hard) with him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Around the 0:56 seconds remaining point of round 1 of the fight, we see the 1st knockdown of the fight occurs (as an event that followed straight on from the above-mentioned sequences); where Pacquaio catches (a completely defenseless) Hatton (as he is about to throw a left hook) with his own right hook. Pacquaio - before this knockdown - had already caught Ricky with the same punch several times - for example; around the 1:05 seconds remaining point of the same round. At this stage it was clear that Ricky couldn’t handle Pacquaio’s speed, and perhaps his strength also; meaning there was no chance Ricky could time Pacquaio.
This 1st KD didn’t involve Pacquaio going backwards. The 2nd knockdown of Hatton occurs around the 0:09 seconds remaining point of round 1 mark of the fight where - after Pacquaio has pretty much battered Ricky since he beat the count associated with the last knockdown - we see the 2nd knockdown of the fight occurs (as the result of a series of Pacquaio punches finalized by his almost completely blocked left cross, still) depositing Ricky on the canvass; in the neutral corner. Hatton makes it up and beats the count. Shortly thereafter Bayless calls time for round 1, and with it the “about-to-happen eminent result” hangs in the air; like the bad smell of the old days . . . . when a stay of execution then quite literally meant you publicly waited - up on a platform, with noose around neck, and inhaling the vapors of your underwear garments that usually were both wet and full of gelatinous brown volume and/or colloidal stool - in front of all curious and bemused town-folk and/or onlookers; whilst your obvious fate was slightly delayed. In knocking down Hatton for the 2nd time Pacquaio showed great timing, and (with the blow that delivered the knockdown) he also ducked under Ricky’s left hook (moves that were applauded by the commentary team). However, the slow motion replay of the 1st knockdown (28:31 time elapsed of the actual YouTube video) shows that Pacquaio really hadn’t expected to get away from Ricky’s left hook; so there was some luck involved in that aspect of the “event”. Still, Pacquaio did very well with this sequence so early in the fight, and with it, it announced (what Roach already knew) that Hatton could not deal with Pacquaio’s speed. Pacquaio was not even at full intensity or anywhere near spent stamina-wise, so it was pretty obvious what was going to “Hatton” now and/or in the following round 2.
This 2nd KD didn’t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. In between rounds 1 and 2, as Hatton despondently sat on his corner stool, Floyd Sr. gave excellent advice that went something like . . . “This is what I have been trying to tell you - you got to move your head man - feint and jab [to get shots in] - just don’t try and move in like that [walking up without a defence] and try and overpower him [Pacquaio] - keep your hands up man - you should have been looking at this [defence] from day 1”. Hatton raises off his stool after the bell for round 2 sounds, and proceeds to; A) Do nothing Floyd Sr. asked of him. B) Get beaten to most punches by Pacquaio. At the 2:16 remaining time of round 2, Hatton walks up to Manny and throws a right hand lead - to which Pacquaio, in response, counters quite nicely (but not without some recklessness) with a right hand and left cross of his own - marking probably what is some of the most telling blows in this round so far. At the 1:52 (or just before) remaining time of round 2, it can be seen that (despite what our stoned MMMRG may say/claim) Manny is actually holding and/or clinching. One can only assume that this is because Pacquaio’s forte is not usually in-fighting away from the ropes - where, coincidentally, Hatton has earned a reasonable reputation. At the 1:50 remaining time of round 2, Kenny Bayless yells stop to separate Hatton and Pacquaio and then what ensues is . . . At the 1:43 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio lands a decent left body shot followed by a hard left cross that seems to stun (the already dejected) looking Hatton. For another 10 seconds or so - save for a few good left hooks authored by Hatton - Pacquaio then outsmarts and trumps Ricky with a combination of awkward movement and heavy punches; softening him up for the finale. At the 1:20 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio - just after Bayless separates them both again and warns Hatton for hitting Pacquaio (illegally) behind the head - lands a very strong right hook over the top of Ricky’s left hand; in anticipation for Ricky’s right cross lead that misses. This punch (Pacquaio’s very strong right hook landing on Ricky’s left cheek) not only sets up what follows and the downfall of Ricky (who I think is a great guy) - but also robs him of what punch resistance was remaining both psychologically and physically within his person. Ricky then appears to handle the punch and has some success ducking a Pacquaio punch and closing ground in on him; from where they both again end being tangled up together in close ranges. Pacquaio seems to like to hold when they get in close. From here, Ricky tries to maul Pacquaio resulting in another warning from Bayless (at the 1:15 remaining time of round 2); before he separates them again. After the above-mentioned separation Ricky comes forward to Pacquaio, again looking to land - with varying degrees of less than acceptable success - left hooks and the occasional right hand; mostly though this results only in Hatton either walking into Pacquaio’s faster shots, or them both getting tangled up in close - where the frustration is (understandably) difficult for Ricky to contain; resulting in Hatton attempting to maul Pacquaio. At the 0:50 remaining time of round 2 - just after and before some more reckless fighting on both fighter’s parts (of which Ricky was stronger physically - whilst Pacquaio was stronger punch-wise) - Pacquaio breaks out (0:40 remaining time of round 2) into an attacking foray that Hatton cannot hold off. Hatton backs up under the speed, pressure and intensity of the attack authored by Pacquaio, that is - like most of Ricky’s applied strategy in this fight - almost devoid of any defensive thinking. Pacquaio gets away with this strategy though, as he is simply way too fast for Hatton to deal with - even if Hatton were fresh. But not necessarily if it were the same Hatton that beat Kostya Tszyu (but that’s another story). At the 0:40 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio has Ricky in the corner from where he proceeds to land some telling blows. At 0:37 remaining time of round 2, Bayless again separates them (it is clear Pacquaio either doesn’t want to and/or was instructed not to fight in close with Ricky; as Pacquaio holds a lot when they both are in close) and Ricky then bounces backwards to centre ring of his own accord; ready for the next piece of fistic action coming his way. The action resumes at 0:33 of the remaining point-time within round 2; when Ricky leans to his left (looking to land a left body rip or uppercut) at exactly the same time as Pacquaio leans to his own left also (looking to land what appears to be a left body hook). Both fighters are unsuccessful in these/their attempts to land these shots. As a result Ricky then tries to compensate with a missed left hook - at almost exactly the same time that Pacquaio also misses with the same (southpaw originated) Punch. They then execute a few sloppy punches before again coming towards each other at the 0:26 remaining point-time of round 2; again requiring Bayless’ intervention. This sets up their final stanza. Once the action resumes Ricky attempts to land punches that can change the course of action to his favor, but his confidence and lungs (along with Pacquaio) all say something else. As those stark realizations scream through the central nervous system and are channeled up into the appropriate lobes of Hatton’s cerebrum; Pacquaio comes forward relentlessly with a mixture of successful body and head shots. With the video showing 12 or 11 seconds (but definitely not 10) remaining in round 2, and the official clacker-sound of 10 seconds remaining echoing through the video and venue itself; Hatton (as Pacquaio virtually remains upright and in the same location on the canvass; before himself moving *forward to Ricky) reverses out of close ranges - then Hatton comes forward (along with *Pacquaio) towards Pacquaio again - from where (with 9 seconds remaining in round 2) Pacquaio measures Hatton up with an extended right hand; that Hatton defensively ignores. With 8 seconds in round 2 remaining (and at the same time {but not because} Ricky looks to launch a left hook) Pacquaio - drops his left hand and then shoots it directly over and onto Ricky’s jaw line where it; A) Ends the fight. B) Knocks Ricky out. C) Removes any residual resistance Hatton’s fighting spirit and ego may have had to the starch running through his veins that carried the previously unwanted signals Pacquaio authored; that had themselves forced their way into Ricky’s central nervous system - from where they infected his cerebrum and altered his thought processes. With that fight-ending left cross Pacquaio threw, it drew an unmistakable end and conclusion to whom of the two champions were better. Another great Pacquaio fight to go in the archives.
This 3rd and final KO/KD didn’t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. So, from the 3 knockdowns that the Hatton V Pacquaio fight delivered,
none involved Pacquaio going backwards. Over to you MMMRG. I want what you're smoking. :)


-stormcentre :

ain't gonna be walking nowhere near Da Manny. Lil Floyd is going be bytch running and double-bytch holding and elbowing and Terrified, wide-eyed rope-a-bytching. The only thing that he is going to walk down is his corner when the bell rings between round. Holla!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMRG I want some of what your smoking . . . . . Some of your quotes . . . . .
Da Manny backing up is what got Ricky Hatton KTFO when Big Floyd was Hatton's trainer. . . . are not only questionable - but they're also becoming like Manny's reckless attacking forays - getting away with what they can and being successful whilst no-one can see what is happening. And the fact that it's (still) happening after yesterday's sparring session and "touch up" is also something of note. Let's just look at your above quote, of which I have bolded for you. I don't have much time as I am in NZ and a hurry. OK, let's get down to it. Please go here and use this video as a reference;
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6zX-aYlKN4 Around the 1:01 point (time remaining of round 1) of the fight - after a feel out process involving a lot of ragged exchanges and roughhouse tactics by both guys, and also some obvious Pacquaio holding/clinching - Pacquaio enters into a slightly wild exchange with Ricky (whom has absolutely no defence and has been already hit by numerous Pacquaio lead/counter right hooks and straight lefts) and gets the better of it. Have a decent look at how open Pacquaio is as he exchanges. His speed allows him to be this defensively liable. Imagine Pacquaio doing that with a guy that not only has a good defence - but one that can also knit punches through such a careless attack. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Before I get deeper into the Hatton V Pacquaio fight, I should say that - contrary to your above comments - I can't see Pacquaio seriously bothering Floyd on the ropes either. As this is usually where Mayweather is most comfortable and does some of his best work. Additionally, Pacquaio almost always has no (or not enough) defensive thoughts/moves when he throws punches at guys trapped on the ropes. Also, most guys that Pacquaio blasts out with fast or numerous punches don?t really have the ability to pick him off as he throws; which is why Pacquaio?s defenceless style has evolved to be where it is and almost solely reliant upon speed. It will most likely be a different kettle of fish when Pacquaio is in with someone that can (when they want, set up shots and) punch (fast/hard) with him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Around the 0:56 seconds remaining point of round 1 of the fight, we see the 1st knockdown of the fight occurs (as an event that followed straight on from the above-mentioned sequences); where Pacquaio catches (a completely defenseless) Hatton (as he is about to throw a left hook) with his own right hook. Pacquaio - before this knockdown - had already caught Ricky with the same punch several times - for example; around the 1:05 seconds remaining point of the same round. At this stage it was clear that Ricky couldn?t handle Pacquaio?s speed, and perhaps his strength also; meaning there was no chance Ricky could time Pacquaio.
This 1st KD didn?t involve Pacquaio going backwards. The 2nd knockdown of Hatton occurs around the 0:09 seconds remaining point of round 1 mark of the fight where - after Pacquaio has pretty much battered Ricky since he beat the count associated with the last knockdown - we see the 2nd knockdown of the fight occurs (as the result of a series of Pacquaio punches finalized by his almost completely blocked left cross, still) depositing Ricky on the canvass; in the neutral corner. Hatton makes it up and beats the count. Shortly thereafter Bayless calls time for round 1, and with it the ?about-to-happen eminent result? hangs in the air; like the bad smell of the old days . . . . when a stay of execution then quite literally meant you publicly waited - up on a platform, with noose around neck, and inhaling the vapors of your underwear garments that usually were both wet and full of gelatinous brown volume and/or colloidal stool - in front of all curious and bemused town-folk and/or onlookers; whilst your obvious fate was slightly delayed. In knocking down Hatton for the 2nd time Pacquaio showed great timing, and (with the blow that delivered the knockdown) he also ducked under Ricky?s left hook (moves that were applauded by the commentary team). However, the slow motion replay of the 1st knockdown (28:31 time elapsed of the actual YouTube video) shows that Pacquaio really hadn?t expected to get away from Ricky?s left hook; so there was some luck involved in that aspect of the ?event?. Still, Pacquaio did very well with this sequence so early in the fight, and with it, it announced (what Roach already knew) that Hatton could not deal with Pacquaio?s speed. Pacquaio was not even at full intensity or anywhere near spent stamina-wise, so it was pretty obvious what was going to ?Hatton? now and/or in the following round 2.
This 2nd KD didn?t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. In between rounds 1 and 2, as Hatton despondently sat on his corner stool, Floyd Sr. gave excellent advice that went something like . . . ?This is what I have been trying to tell you - you got to move your head man - feint and jab [to get shots in] - just don?t try and move in like that [walking up without a defence] and try and overpower him [Pacquaio] - keep your hands up man - you should have been looking at this [defence] from day 1?. Hatton raises off his stool after the bell for round 2 sounds, and proceeds to; A) Do nothing Floyd Sr. asked of him. B) Get beaten to most punches by Pacquaio. At the 2:16 remaining time of round 2, Hatton walks up to Manny and throws a right hand lead - to which Pacquaio, in response, counters quite nicely (but not without some recklessness) with a right hand and left cross of his own - marking probably what is some of the most telling blows in this round so far. At the 1:52 (or just before) remaining time of round 2, it can be seen that (despite what our stoned MMMRG may say/claim) Manny is actually holding and/or clinching. One can only assume that this is because Pacquaio?s forte is not usually in-fighting away from the ropes - where, coincidentally, Hatton has earned a reasonable reputation. At the 1:50 remaining time of round 2, Kenny Bayless yells stop to separate Hatton and Pacquaio and then what ensues is . . . At the 1:43 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio lands a decent left body shot followed by a hard left cross that seems to stun (the already dejected) looking Hatton. For another 10 seconds or so - save for a few good left hooks authored by Hatton - Pacquaio then outsmarts and trumps Ricky with a combination of awkward movement and heavy punches; softening him up for the finale. At the 1:20 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio - just after Bayless separates them both again and warns Hatton for hitting Pacquaio (illegally) behind the head - lands a very strong right hook over the top of Ricky?s left hand; in anticipation for Ricky?s right cross lead that misses. This punch (Pacquaio?s very strong right hook landing on Ricky?s left cheek) not only sets up what follows and the downfall of Ricky (who I think is a great guy) - but also robs him of what punch resistance was remaining both psychologically and physically within his person. Ricky then appears to handle the punch and has some success ducking a Pacquaio punch and closing ground in on him; from where they both again end being tangled up together in close ranges. Pacquaio seems to like to hold when they get in close. From here, Ricky tries to maul Pacquaio resulting in another warning from Bayless (at the 1:15 remaining time of round 2); before he separates them again. After the above-mentioned separation Ricky comes forward to Pacquaio, again looking to land - with varying degrees of less than acceptable success - left hooks and the occasional right hand; mostly though this results only in Hatton either walking into Pacquaio?s faster shots, or them both getting tangled up in close - where the frustration is (understandably) difficult for Ricky to contain; resulting in Hatton attempting to maul Pacquaio. At the 0:50 remaining time of round 2 - just after and before some more reckless fighting on both fighter?s parts (of which Ricky was stronger physically - whilst Pacquaio was stronger punch-wise) - Pacquaio breaks out (0:40 remaining time of round 2) into an attacking foray that Hatton cannot hold off. Hatton backs up under the speed, pressure and intensity of the attack authored by Pacquaio, that is - like most of Ricky?s applied strategy in this fight - almost devoid of any defensive thinking. Pacquaio gets away with this strategy though, as he is simply way too fast for Hatton to deal with - even if Hatton were fresh. But not necessarily if it were the same Hatton that beat Kostya Tszyu (but that?s another story). At the 0:40 remaining time of round 2, Pacquaio has Ricky in the corner from where he proceeds to land some telling blows. At 0:37 remaining time of round 2, Bayless again separates them (it is clear Pacquaio either doesn?t want to and/or was instructed not to fight in close with Ricky; as Pacquaio holds a lot when they both are in close) and Ricky then bounces backwards to centre ring of his own accord; ready for the next piece of fistic action coming his way. The action resumes at 0:33 of the remaining point-time within round 2; when Ricky leans to his left (looking to land a left body rip or uppercut) at exactly the same time as Pacquaio leans to his own left also (looking to land what appears to be a left body hook). Both fighters are unsuccessful in these/their attempts to land these shots. As a result Ricky then tries to compensate with a missed left hook - at almost exactly the same time that Pacquaio also misses with the same (southpaw originated) Punch. They then execute a few sloppy punches before again coming towards each other at the 0:26 remaining point-time of round 2; again requiring Bayless? intervention. This sets up their final stanza. Once the action resumes Ricky attempts to land punches that can change the course of action to his favor, but his confidence and lungs (along with Pacquaio) all say something else. As those stark realizations scream through the central nervous system and are channeled up into the appropriate lobes of Hatton?s cerebrum; Pacquaio comes forward relentlessly with a mixture of successful body and head shots. With the video showing 12 or 11 seconds (but definitely not 10) remaining in round 2, and the official clacker-sound of 10 seconds remaining echoing through the video and venue itself; Hatton (as Pacquaio virtually remains upright and in the same location on the canvass; before himself moving *forward to Ricky) reverses out of close ranges - then Hatton comes forward (along with *Pacquaio) towards Pacquaio again - from where (with 9 seconds remaining in round 2) Pacquaio measures Hatton up with an extended right hand; that Hatton defensively ignores. With 8 seconds in round 2 remaining (and at the same time {but not because} Ricky looks to launch a left hook) Pacquaio - drops his left hand and then shoots it directly over and onto Ricky?s jaw line where it; A) Ends the fight. B) Knocks Ricky out. C) Removes any residual resistance Hatton?s fighting spirit and ego may have had to the starch running through his veins that carried the previously unwanted signals Pacquaio authored; that had themselves forced their way into Ricky?s central nervous system - from where they infected his cerebrum and altered his thought processes. With that fight-ending left cross Pacquaio threw, it drew an unmistakable end and conclusion to whom of the two champions were better. Another great Pacquaio fight to go in the archives.
This 3rd and final KO/KD didn?t involve Pacquaio going backwards; he was coming forwards. So, from the 3 knockdowns that the Hatton V Pacquaio fight delivered,
none involved Pacquaio going backwards. Over to you MMMRG. I want what you're smoking. :)


-stormcentre :


Other than walking into that JMM punch, when has Pacquiao been hurt in the last 6 years?
And other than hitting a clueless Victor Ortiz when he wasn't defending himself, who has Floyd dropped in the past 5-6 years? Floyd isn't going to drop Pac like his sparring partners. His path to victory is not to exploit Manny's chin (which is excellent) it's to counter and fluster Manny with defense, doing only what he feels is necessary on offense to win (see the Oscar fight).Manny is hardly a ring great when it comes to cutting off the ring and feinting opponents. He makes up for these weaknesses with quickness in hands and feet and punching in volume. Floyd has probably seen what many have recently, Manny slowing down a bit, trying to re-establish power to make up for slowing hands and feet.
Welcome to TSS forums Brad . . . but dude I gotta say . . . How long you been watching boxing for? A couple of weeks? WRF, I spend all this time mixing Meth in my caravan that's up on bricks in me Mum's backyard and these guys are just dropping stuff like this on me for free!!!! I want what your smoking. Pacmania is making people delirious around here.


-stormcentre :


Other than walking into that JMM punch, when has Pacquiao been hurt in the last 6 years?
And other than hitting a clueless Victor Ortiz when he wasn't defending himself, who has Floyd dropped in the past 5-6 years? Floyd isn't going to drop Pac like his sparring partners. His path to victory is not to exploit Manny's chin (which is excellent) it's to counter and fluster Manny with defense, doing only what he feels is necessary on offense to win (see the Oscar fight).Manny is hardly a ring great when it comes to cutting off the ring and feinting opponents. He makes up for these weaknesses with quickness in hands and feet and punching in volume. Floyd has probably seen what many have recently, Manny slowing down a bit, trying to re-establish power to make up for slowing hands and feet.
Welcome to TSS forums Brad . . . but dude I gotta say . . . How long you been watching boxing for? A couple of weeks? WTF, I spend all this time mixing Meth in my caravan that's up on bricks in me Mum's backyard and these guys are just dropping stuff like this on me for free!!!! I want what your smoking. Pacmania is making people delirious around here.


-stormcentre :

Anyone, and I mean anyone, that thinks Floyd will not come prepared (in the truest sense of the word) to this fight; is crazy. Same for Pacman, but we all know that. Roach, to me, at times, is starting to sound like a crystal meth twinker. Nervous. Kinda like the ride might be coming to an end. I have concerns about any trainer - no matter whom they are and/or how god they are (and I have met and worked with my fair share of both good and well known ones; they're not mutually exclusive) - that either; a) Can't see a serious flaw in a fighter. b) Can't (or won't) fix a serious flaw in a fighter. Doesn't matter whether they're winning or not, flaws that can get you knocked out (as Pacquaio has been) or beaten (as Pacquaio has been) should always be fixed. In Roaches (and perhaps Fortune and Pacquaio's) case we have a guy that has been seriously iced not too long ago, and yet (despite being a top fighter with the ability to learn) he's still exhibiting exactly the same flaw as they head into a fight with their toughest opponent yet; hoping that aggression and speed will win it again. Pacquaio aint heading into this fight with nothing but natural speed, stamina and strength. No one talking bout that; Pacmania. And, this fight - which will be his toughest yet - will be not only be with a guy (Floyd) that has many attributes that most Pacquaio opponent's don't have - but also one that has been at the top for around 20 years; meaning Floyd will probably walk into his MayPac camp's commencement as fit as most guys that fight Pacquaio. Pacman is a legend and awesome and a sure fire hall of famer - make no mistake about that. I am a fan of his. But he makes a lot of mistakes that are "hidden" by fighting guys that don't match his speed or weight. There's no crime in that, as that's how boxing sometimes works. But, the same formula doesn't always apply when you meet a guy that can both pick off those mistakes and defend against your best asset. And when overly aggressive guys that are used to having it all their own way start to get picked apart guess what happens to their stamina? It melts. Floyd aint no Algieri (went 12 with Pacman), Rios (went 12 with Pacman), or Bradley (went 12 with Pacman twice and arguably beat him once; but still tagged Pacquaio more than a few times). :cool:


-stormcentre :

Anyone, and I mean anyone, that thinks Floyd will not come prepared (in the truest sense of the word) to this fight; is crazy. Same for Pacman, but we all know that. Roach, to me, at times, is starting to sound like a crystal meth twinker. Nervous. Kinda like the ride might be coming to an end. I have concerns about any trainer - no matter whom they are and/or how god they are (and I have met and worked with my fair share of both good and well known ones; they're not mutually exclusive) - that either; a) Can't see a serious flaw in a fighter. b) Can't (or won't) fix a serious flaw in a fighter. Doesn't matter whether they're winning or not, flaws that can get you knocked out (as Pacquaio has been) or beaten (as Pacquaio has been) should always be fixed. In Roaches (and perhaps Fortune and Pacquaio's) case we have a guy that has been seriously iced not too long ago, and yet (despite being a top fighter with the ability to learn) he's still exhibiting exactly the same flaw as they head into a fight with their toughest opponent yet; hoping that aggression and speed will win it again. Pacquaio aint heading into this fight with nothing but natural speed, stamina and strength. No one talking bout that; Pacmania. And, this fight - which will be his toughest yet - will be not only be with a guy (Floyd) that has many attributes that most Pacquaio opponent's don't have - but also one that has been at the top for around 20 years; meaning Floyd will probably walk into his MayPac camp's commencement as fit as most guys that fight Pacquaio. Pacman is a legend and awesome and a sure fire hall of famer - make no mistake about that. I am a fan of his. But he makes a lot of mistakes that are "hidden" by fighting guys that don't match his speed or weight. There's no crime in that, as that's how boxing sometimes works. But, the same formula doesn't always apply when you meet a guy that can both pick off those mistakes and defend against your best asset. And when overly aggressive guys that are used to having it all their own way start to get picked apart guess what happens to their stamina? It melts. Floyd aint no Algieri (went 12 with Pacman), Rios (went 12 with Pacman), or Bradley (went 12 with Pacman twice and arguably beat him once; but still tagged Pacquaio more than a few times). :cool:


-Radam G :

There is always tough talk before a beat down of a washed-up 38-year-old con man. Money May is a clown. But he is going to be in that squared jungle not at a sideshow or in a circus. All the tough talk in the world will not help him. The actuality of the reality is a bytch in revealing a long-time con man. Holla!


-stormcentre :

There is always tough talk before a beat down of a washed-up 38-year-old con man. Money May is a clown. But he is going to be in that squared jungle not at a sideshow or in a circus. All the tough talk in the world will not help him. The actuality of the reality is a bytch in revealing a long-time con man. Holla!
Given the posts over the last few days; I must say that I have never met anyone that wears hypocrisy quite so well and as proudly as you. :) You really got it going on.
"MMMRG that is not looking at what others can see incase it smells like hypocrisy". Keep on smoking cool crystal cat, but just make sure it's not when your heads in the sand; Ostrich. :)


-stormcentre :

There is always tough talk before a beat down of a washed-up 38-year-old con man. Money May is a clown. But he is going to be in that squared jungle not at a sideshow or in a circus. All the tough talk in the world will not help him. The actuality of the reality is a bytch in revealing a long-time con man. Holla!
Given the posts over the last few days . . . . . of which the following are just a few . . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20143-So-Floyd-Has-Been-Hurting-Sparring-Partners&p=77625&viewfull=1#post77625
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20003-Fam-May-Talks-So-Much-Jive-But-The-Curse-of-38-Will-Be-Money-May-s-Downfall&p=77551&viewfull=1#post77551 I must say that I have never met anyone that wears hypocrisy quite so well and as proudly as you. :) You really got it going on maaaan. So much so that I made up a little jingle to celebrate the absolute shamelessness (WTF, how many "e" and "s" in that word freaky dude?) of it all.
"MMMRG that is not looking at what others can see incase it smells like hypocrisy". Keep on smoking cool (crystal) cat, but just make sure it's not when your heads in the sand; Ostrich. Cause that's not where the truth's at. :)


-stormcentre :

There is always tough talk before a beat down of a washed-up 38-year-old con man. Money May is a clown. But he is going to be in that squared jungle not at a sideshow or in a circus. All the tough talk in the world will not help him. The actuality of the reality is a bytch in revealing a long-time con man. Holla!
Given the posts over the last few days . . . . . of which the following are just a few . . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20143-So-Floyd-Has-Been-Hurting-Sparring-Partners&p=77625&viewfull=1#post77625
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20003-Fam-May-Talks-So-Much-Jive-But-The-Curse-of-38-Will-Be-Money-May-s-Downfall&p=77551&viewfull=1#post77551 I must say that I have never met anyone that wears hypocrisy quite so well and as proudly as you. :) You really got it going on maaaan. So much so that I made up a little jingle to celebrate the absolute shamelessness (WTF, how many "e" and "s" in that word freaky dude?) of it all.
"MMMRG that is not looking at what others can see incase it smells like hypocrisy". Keep on smoking cool (crystal) cat, but just make sure it's not when your heads in the sand; Ostrich. Cause that's not where the truth's at. :)


-Radam G :

All the talk in the world won't help Money May or Da Manny in dat squared jungle. Money May will be exposed as the humbug that he is. It is all about him. He is going have to be 'bout it 'bout, not talk about it. There is nothing like reality over talk. And the actuality of the reality always find the humbug and bully and beat dat @$$. Money May is going to get beat down. And life is going to move on. And History will keep repeating. There will be excuses that Money May got old over night. And what he coulda, woulda, shoulda done this and that five or six year ago. He would have gotten a worse arse thrashing and less moolah. So he is manning at the richest time. Holla!


-stormcentre :

All the talk in the world won't help Money May or Da Manny in dat squared jungle. Money May will be exposed as the humbug that he is. It is all about him. He is going have to be 'bout it 'bout, not talk about it. There is nothing like reality over talk. And the actuality of the reality always find the humbug and bully and beat dat @$$. Money May is going to get beat down. And life is going to move on. And History will keep repeating. There will be excuses that Money May got old over night. And what he coulda, woulda, shoulda done this and that five or six year ago. He would have gotten a worse arse thrashing and less moolah. So he is manning at the richest time. Holla!
Yes you may be correct, and Pacquaio may beat Floyd. But, I am talking about the things you say that don't add up with the actuality of the reality.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?20143-So-Floyd-Has-Been-Hurting-Sparring-Partners&p=77633&viewfull=1#post77633 Keep it real man. You can't come to work stoned and engaging mouth/keyboard before mind, otherwise we will have to drug test you before each post. Holla. :)


-brownsugar :

Suge, he finna kill this boy. I've said it over and over, there's a greater chance Pacquiao dies from his injuries than him winning this fight. This is the biggest PPV mismatch since Lewis-Tyson. I scratch my head over and over how adults can call other adults names for favoring the consensus No. 1 in the sport who happens to have the best defense recorded in history -- as well as offense efficiency -- over a guy who's arguably lost 7 times and was losing to a notoriously dumb Bradley after six rounds. What's even more dumbfounding is how people remain convinced that this guy, who has lost plenty of times and hasn't had a clean KO in about a decade, will suddenly knock out the guy who has fought better fighters and has been visibly hurt on circa three occasions in 19 years -- and on those occasions the bell either had rung or he proceeded to beat the absolute sh*t out of each guy, in sadistic fashion at that. Not to mention that stylistically, said guy with the aforementioned best defense ever just so happens to possess every offensive quality that ever troubled the guy everyone seems to figure will now, at 36, figure it all out. Against the CONSENSUS -- not my opinion, but universally regarded -- best fighter in the world. Ok... Look, forgive me for employing common sense. Forgive me for not believing. The myopia is strong, man. God bless you. Like I said, this dude fucking dies from his wounds before he kayos, let alone ever wins seven rounds against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Nice post... Im interested in the type of movement and defense Floyd will use in this fight. Its going to be interesting.


-teaser :

hard to believe that Floyd with his brittle hands would be going all out in training looking for knockouts ?and breaking a hand early in the fight would be a definite detriment ?.that is one of the reasons Floyd doesn't go all out to finish many opponents ?.keep everything safe and under control


-deepwater2 :


Like I said, this dude fucking dies from his wounds before he kayos, let alone ever wins seven rounds against Floyd Mayweather Jr. This type of extreme vulgar talk does nothing to make a point. Floyd is at the top of this generation but he wouldn't beat Leonard plus many more. Some people think Rigo is best in the world, some think Klit is, some think Floyd is, some people think Pac is. The moral of the story is there is no universal recognised champion no matter what some tbe t-shirts and hats say on them. A loss does not mean a fighter can not be P4P all time, its how he comes back from a loss that defines him. Julio SR went double the amount of wins Floyd has before a loss so using logic Julio Sr is above Floyd on any list. This is a super fight. Floyd needs to come forward more than he has done in the past. He cannot just potshot and throw one right over the jab one at a time. Floyd is not the same fighter that blew out Corrales or Gatti. Pac is not the same guy beating Cotto,margarito,DLH, he might be a bit better.


-amayseng :

Suge, he finna kill this boy. I've said it over and over, there's a greater chance Pacquiao dies from his injuries than him winning this fight. This is the biggest PPV mismatch since Lewis-Tyson. I scratch my head over and over how adults can call other adults names for favoring the consensus No. 1 in the sport who happens to have the best defense recorded in history -- as well as offense efficiency -- over a guy who's arguably lost 7 times and was losing to a notoriously dumb Bradley after six rounds. What's even more dumbfounding is how people remain convinced that this guy, who has lost plenty of times and hasn't had a clean KO in about a decade, will suddenly knock out the guy who has fought better fighters and has been visibly hurt on circa three occasions in 19 years -- and on those occasions the bell either had rung or he proceeded to beat the absolute sh*t out of each guy, in sadistic fashion at that. Not to mention that stylistically, said guy with the aforementioned best defense ever just so happens to possess every offensive quality that ever troubled the guy everyone seems to figure will now, at 36, figure it all out. Against the CONSENSUS -- not my opinion, but universally regarded -- best fighter in the world. Ok... Look, forgive me for employing common sense. Forgive me for not believing. The myopia is strong, man. God bless you. Like I said, this dude fucking dies from his wounds before he kayos, let alone ever wins seven rounds against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Its dumbfounding that styles make fights? Floyd is not invincible he already lost to JLC. Zab smoked him the first 3-4 rounds. A 38 year old 7 years past prime Shane who was inactive for 18 months wobbled the **** out of a prime Floyd twice making him look like a bobble head. So if is very conceivable Pac can give Floyd trouble. We all love the sport and are passionate but with all due respect GTFOH with this "he finna kill this boy" bullshit.


-Froggy :

Its dumbfounding that styles make fights? Floyd is not invincible he already lost to JLC. Zab smoked him the first 3-4 rounds. A 38 year old 7 years past prime Shane who was inactive for 18 months wobbled the **** out of a prime Floyd twice making him look like a bobble head. So if is very conceivable Pac can give Floyd trouble. We all love the sport and are passionate but with all due respect GTFOH with this "he finna kill this boy" bullshit.
Hear, hear !


-brownsugar :

Gotta love it... There is nothing like the out - pouring of a boxing Fans passion....music to my ears. I still can't pick a winner. I'm glad Floyd got to fight Maidana twice... Although his style is totally different from Pac's, ... Nothing gets a boxer ready mentally for the unknown better than having to go 24 rounds with a brawling berzerker in kamikaze mode.


-brownsugar :

Gotta love it... There is nothing like the out - pouring of a boxing Fans passion....music to my ears. I still can't pick a winner. I'm glad Floyd got to fight Maidana twice... Although his style is totally different from Pac's, ... Nothing gets a boxer ready mentally for the unknown better than having to go 24 rounds with a brawling berzerker in kamikaze mode.


-brownsugar :

Gotta love it... There is nothing like the out - pouring of a boxing Fans passion....music to my ears. I still can't pick a winner. I'm glad Floyd got to fight Maidana twice... Although his style is totally different from Pac's, ... Nothing gets a boxer ready mentally for the unknown better than having to go 24 rounds with a brawling berzerker in kamikaze mode.


-Radam G :

Its dumbfounding that styles make fights? Floyd is not invincible he already lost to JLC. Zab smoked him the first 3-4 rounds. A 38 year old 7 years past prime Shane who was inactive for 18 months wobbled the **** out of a prime Floyd twice making him look like a bobble head. So if is very conceivable Pac can give Floyd trouble. We all love the sport and are passionate but with all due respect GTFOH with this "he finna kill this boy" bullshit.
Hehehe! Holla!