ROACH: “I Think Floyd Needs To Be Humbled, and Manny Is the One To Do It”

Floyd-Mayweather

Floyd Mayweather has expertly cultivated an image in the last seven, eight years, one which sees him as the only boxer who is known in the US outside of the cultists that are boxing fans. No, he's not as “known” as Ali was, or Tyson, but for boxing circa 2015, Mayweather is quite the public figure.

Now, the percentage of people who have a rooting interest for him, or against him, I can't know. But by an informal poll, I think I'm confident in saying that there will be just as many, or maybe more, folks who will let loose to the heavens with an exultant shout if Manny Pacquiao were able to channel a divine intervention of strength and speed and nail Mayweather and put him down for the count.

Heck, in my own house-hold, that will be the case. No, I'm not talking me, I am not that invested emotionally in how a prize fight turns out. But my wife, she's real, real keen on seeing Manny get the better of Floyd. She doesn't care for the bragging, the fixation on Manny, and she is well aware of his criminal history, and the fact that he did time for assault on a woman who bore him children. Nope, not a fan, not even close. Floyd, I dare say, is OK with that. He knows that whether you tune in to root him on, or to see him get walloped, either way, you pay. And that's the name of his game, by and large. Heck, man's nickname which he answers to is “Money.” He digs it, chases it, lives for it. I think there's another side, though, and I also see a guy who seems to be present for his kids a good deal, and brags about them, and shows them off. In short, I see a complex person who struggles, like all of us, to do the right thing. But in some places, my outlook is a minority opinion. In many places, Pacman is the good guy, and Floyd is the bad guy, and when people tune in on May 2 to watch this 2015 Super Fight, sides will be taken, and you will hear the roar of haters if Manny pulls off the upset KO victory on Mars. Wait…is Mars wired for PPV? Have we checked? LOL, I digress…

Freddie Roach told me that everywhere he goes, people come up to him, and basically beg him to have his man Pacquiao knock out Floyd. “Everywhere I go, people tell me congratulations for the fight,” said Roach, in China to see his flyweight contender Zou Shiming try to win an IBF crown on Saturday, on HBO2. “He's not the best guy in the world. He's a great fighter, but I don't think he's a good person. He throws money around, and there's so many poor people out there. He's a bad example. If I had a kid and he idolized him, I'd be pissed off. He's not a good role model. Manny Pacquiao is the best role model.”

Part of me would like to see Mayweather lose, because I'd be curious to see how he handled it. Indeed, I will go out on a limb and say this. If and when he loses, if he handles it the right way, he will see his popularity, and his legacy enlarge. Yep…we can all, every damn one of us, identify with the loser. We can all feel what he's feeling, if he admits to being disappointed. Only a tiny sliver of us, the .01% of the world, really, can identify with the Mayweather who flies on the jets, and buys the Bentleys and stuff. “Losing would not be the worst thing for Floyd,” Roach told me. “I think he needs to be humbled, and I think Manny Pacquiao is the one to do it.”

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-Radam G :

And it will be done in that square jungle. The whole Fam May, Team May and groupies of Money May will hurting likes ___ ____! But they won't be humble too much. They will lie that Money May was robbed, and didn't get a fair break. They will holla a conspiracy. Hehe! Holla!


-Froggy :

I think it was Manny himself that said " the exalted shall be humbled and the humble shall be exalted" !


-amayseng :

You can't humble ignorance. Though you can pepper the **** out of him for 12 enjoyable rounds for the rest of us!


-Froggy :

You can't humble ignorance. Though you can pepper the **** out of him for 12 enjoyable rounds for the rest of us!
Hear, hear, probably 12 rounds, but less would be OK too !


-brownsugar :

And so, ....Let the mind games begin....although its difficult to tell who's playing? Roach hasn't mentioned a single person who was allegedly paid off, or if these fighters are guys who have helped Mayweather prepare for other fights in the past....or if they are already aligned with the Haymon camp. If they are its just Al Haymon picking off Roaches attempted "covert ops". I was just wondering today ....when is the spying was going to commence? I've heard of this type of thing happening before. I just dont believe its happening the way Freddy is telling it. If its happening at all. Consider the source....Roach is a tricky one. Trying to create drama when nothing illegal has occurred.


-razorramon :

Now the fight is on, i don't care who the bad or good guy. I just want to see Pacquiao beating floyd every round, hard beating worse then the face of Margarito after fighting Pac If "the Pacquiao" who defeated cotto or dela hoya come out to fight Mayweather Floyd has no chance either TKO or KO. Manny has many flaws and can be hit. His style is take risk to be effective. He isn't that tall he has to pressure and get inside his opponent. He will get hit when he move forward in attack mode. No boxer ever fought without getting hit.. Pacquiao has to avoid the big shot, like the desperate shot of Marquez, solid and powerful. Mayweather will hit Pacquiao but Pac can take floyd punches What Pacquiao be aware off is mayweather dirty tactics which is his only chance to win. Mayweather will run, clinch,clinch, headbutt, elbow to ward Pacquiao and clinch alot of clinching last but effective the sucker punch. Pacquiao has to fight the whole 12 round the same intensity as in round 1, Even the present Pacquiao who is more wiser as a fighter will beat down floyd.....everythiing has an end Floyd and it is your time now


-#1 PacFan :

Roach is the type IMO who won't make up a story of Al Haymon and his people paying off sparring partners. I believe this because Roach did in fact name the names of his proposed prospects. If this is true then I sure hope this fight in general doesn't get sabotage. JMM and many did say that Manny only wins via knockout meaning do not let the fight get decided by the judges. No matter how dominating you can beat Floyd they can still steal a win from Manny for example the first Bradley fight. Manny by MD or 9th round stoppage.


-#1 PacFan :

Great piece BTW Woods!


-the Roast :

Roach is always talking crazy. Gotta hype the fight even though no hype is needed. This fight sells itself. This fight will go twelve without a doubt. Da Manny hasn't KOed anyone for five-six years now. The same for Floyd. This fight goes to the scorecards and we all know anything can happen when Buffer reads the cards. Probably a bad decision either way to set up the big money rematch.


-stormcentre :

Roach is thoroughly a part time promoter when not in full training mode. I'm not saying it's right/good or wrong/bad, but he has been stirring the pot and sensationalizing for years now. Particularly before a big fight involving one of his guys. I would recommend not letting emotion get in the way of too many grand expectations (it's foolish on my part I know) associated with Pacquaio violently mowing through Floyd. Pacquaio is great and it's certainly not an impossibility that he may win. But there are an awful lot of advantages for Floyd going into this fight. Floyd is easily as tough and resilient as Rios; whom wasn't blow out or KO'd. And we all know how much better in other areas (than Brandon) Floyd is. Just food for thought. :)


-stormcentre :

Roach is thoroughly a part time promoter when not in full training mode. I'm not saying it's right/good or wrong/bad, but he has been stirring the pot and sensationalizing for years now. Particularly before a big fight involving one of his guys. I would recommend not letting emotion get in the way of too many grand expectations (it's foolish on my part I know) associated with Pacquaio violently mowing through Floyd. Pacquaio is great and it's certainly not an impossibility that he may win. But there are an awful lot of advantages for Floyd going into this fight. Floyd is easily as tough and resilient as Rios; whom wasn't blown out or KO'd by Pacman. And we all know how much better in other areas Floyd is (over Brandon) when it comes to TSS. Just food for thought. :)


-stormcentre :

Roach is thoroughly a part time promoter when not in full training mode. I'm not saying it's right/good or wrong/bad, but he has been stirring the pot and sensationalizing for years now. Particularly before a big fight involving one of his guys. I would recommend not letting emotion get in the way of too many grand expectations (it's foolish on my part I know) associated with Pacquaio violently mowing through Floyd. Pacquaio is great and it's certainly not an impossibility that he may win. But there are an awful lot of advantages for Floyd going into this fight. Floyd is easily as tough and resilient as Rios; whom wasn't blown out or KO'd by Pacman. And we all know how much better in other areas Floyd is (over Brandon) when it comes to TSS. Just food for thought. :)


-The Commish :

Roach is always talking crazy. Gotta hype the fight even though no hype is needed. This fight sells itself. This fight will go twelve without a doubt. Da Manny hasn't KOed anyone for five-six years now. The same for Floyd. This fight goes to the scorecards and we all know anything can happen when Buffer reads the cards. Probably a bad decision either way to set up the big money rematch.
Exactly, tR. Exactly. I can just hear Michael Buffer now. The first card goes to Mayweather. The second goes to Pacquiao. Then we get, "...and judge Dave Moretti scores it 115-113, to the winner, by split decision..." Some of us applaud. Some scream robbery. Some scream the fix was in. And then comes the rematch. -Randy G.


-common :

I think it is rather bold for another human to want to humble another human. It kind of reminds me of how white people would want to humble African slaves or blacks that could read, or the ones who thought too highly of themselves. We live in a society that hates you if you love your self too much. But who else will love you if no one else will? YOU HAVE TO LOVE YOUR SELF FIRST. In the case of floyd mayweather, you want him to lose because you hate what he represents. You tell your self he is a wife beater but your hatred goes beyond his so called crimes. You have a problem with all cocky , arrogant people...that is why you want floyd to lose. But real life does not work like a movie.. in real life there are no happy endings there is no sunsets to ride off into.In real life skills pay the bills, in real life skills move mountains, create unimaginable wealth and opportunities. IN REAL LIFE, ON MAY 2nd , Floyd mayweather will toy with many pacman the same way he toyed with marquez, gati, canelo, gurrero, mosley, zabjuddah, and so manny more , because skills my friends................SKILLS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN THIS UNIVERSE..


-Radam G :

And so, ....Let the mind games begin....although its difficult to tell who's playing? Roach hasn't mentioned a single person who was allegedly paid off, or if these fighters are guys who have helped Mayweather prepare for other fights in the past....or if they are already aligned with the Haymon camp. If they are its just Al Haymon picking off Roaches attempted "covert ops". I was just wondering today ....when is the spying was going to commence? I've heard of this type of thing happening before. I just dont believe its happening the way Freddy is telling it. If its happening at all. Consider the source....Roach is a tricky one. Trying to create drama when nothing illegal has occurred.
C'mon, B-Sug! Columbus, Ohio used to be the bedrock of amateur and pro scrapping. No way that you missed these types of haps. Or maybe you are so honest that you cannot see rotten behavior. Boxing lives on super rotten behavior. Ninety-five percent of the people in this sport does every crooked and foul thing that they can to get an edge with. Boxing is indeed war. And war is war. Nobody and dey nephew follow the Geneva Convention. Same with boxing. An iota -- dummies -- follow all the rules and regs. Holla!


-Radam G :

I think it is rather bold for another human to want to humble another human. It kind of reminds me of how white people would want to humble African slaves or blacks that could read, or the ones who thought too highly of themselves. We live in a society that hates you if you love your self too much. But who else will love you if no one else will? YOU HAVE TO LOVE YOUR SELF FIRST. In the case of floyd mayweather, you want him to lose because you hate what he represents. You tell your self he is a wife beater but your hatred goes beyond his so called crimes. You have a problem with all cocky , arrogant people...that is why you want floyd to lose. But real life does not work like a movie.. in real life there are no happy endings there is no sunsets to ride off into.In real life skills pay the bills, in real life skills move mountains, create unimaginable wealth and opportunities. IN REAL LIFE, ON MAY 2nd , Floyd mayweather will toy with many pacman the same way he toyed with marquez, gati, canelo, gurrero, mosley, zabjuddah, and so manny more , because skills my friends................SKILLS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN THIS UNIVERSE..
WOW! Common shows exactly what I've stated from da get go. This scrap is a RACE fight for to many stanks and Yanks. The nonsense of the late talking head Jimmy "The Greek" is still in full of effect. Check the usuage of your labelling, Common? No slave masters made their slaves "humble" -- and being humble is a great trait -- he made them obedient and submitting and to think that they were inferior. Here we go with agitators making up stufff and wanting to control the flow of how people should think. Lil Floyd will toy with a severe arse thrashing. And he will be made humble. He ain't fighting any of the pugs that you name. He is fighting Da Manny. And for Lil' Floyd, Da Manny is much too uncanny. Holla!


-Radam G :

I think it is rather bold for another human to want to humble another human. It kind of reminds me of how white people would want to humble African slaves or blacks that could read, or the ones who thought too highly of themselves. We live in a society that hates you if you love your self too much. But who else will love you if no one else will? YOU HAVE TO LOVE YOUR SELF FIRST. In the case of floyd mayweather, you want him to lose because you hate what he represents. You tell your self he is a wife beater but your hatred goes beyond his so called crimes. You have a problem with all cocky , arrogant people...that is why you want floyd to lose. But real life does not work like a movie.. in real life there are no happy endings there is no sunsets to ride off into.In real life skills pay the bills, in real life skills move mountains, create unimaginable wealth and opportunities. IN REAL LIFE, ON MAY 2nd , Floyd mayweather will toy with many pacman the same way he toyed with marquez, gati, canelo, gurrero, mosley, zabjuddah, and so manny more , because skills my friends................SKILLS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN THIS UNIVERSE..
WOW! Common shows exactly what I've stated from da get go. This scrap is a RACE fight for to many stanks and Yanks. The nonsense of the late talking head Jimmy "The Greek" is still in full of effect. Check the usuage of your labelling, Common? No slave masters made their slaves "humble" -- and being humble is a great trait -- he made them obedient and submitting and to think that they were inferior. Here we go with agitators making up stufff and wanting to control the flow of how people should think. Lil Floyd will toy with a severe arse thrashing. And he will be made humble. He ain't fighting any of the pugs that you name. He is fighting Da Manny. And for Lil' Floyd, Da Manny is much too uncanny. Holla!


-Radam G :

Exactly, tR. Exactly. I can just hear Michael Buffer now. The first card goes to Mayweather. The second goes to Pacquiao. Then we get, "...and judge Dave Moretti scores it 115-113, to the winner, by split decision..." Some of us applaud. Some scream robbery. Some scream the fix was in. And then comes the rematch. -Randy G.
And THEN you will realize that you were dreaming. And in that dream, you were in the Twilight Zone. In truth, by no more than round eight the "Curse of 38" will hit Money May and he will be gone. And this is not any of that Tim Lane's letting-a-pug-outta-a-cage nonsense. This is hard history. Holla!


-Radam G :

Exactly, tR. Exactly. I can just hear Michael Buffer now. The first card goes to Mayweather. The second goes to Pacquiao. Then we get, "...and judge Dave Moretti scores it 115-113, to the winner, by split decision..." Some of us applaud. Some scream robbery. Some scream the fix was in. And then comes the rematch. -Randy G.
And THEN you will realize that you were dreaming. And in that dream, you were in the Twilight Zone. In truth, by no more than round eight the "Curse of 38" will hit Money May and he will be gone. And this is not any of that Tim Lane's letting-a-pug-outta-a-cage nonsense. This is hard history. Holla!


-Brad :

I think it is rather bold for another human to want to humble another human. It kind of reminds me of how white people would want to humble African slaves or blacks that could read, or the ones who thought too highly of themselves. We live in a society that hates you if you love your self too much. But who else will love you if no one else will? YOU HAVE TO LOVE YOUR SELF FIRST. In the case of floyd mayweather, you want him to lose because you hate what he represents. You tell your self he is a wife beater but your hatred goes beyond his so called crimes. You have a problem with all cocky , arrogant people...that is why you want floyd to lose. But real life does not work like a movie.. in real life there are no happy endings there is no sunsets to ride off into.In real life skills pay the bills, in real life skills move mountains, create unimaginable wealth and opportunities. IN REAL LIFE, ON MAY 2nd , Floyd mayweather will toy with many pacman the same way he toyed with marquez, gati, canelo, gurrero, mosley, zabjuddah, and so manny more , because skills my friends................SKILLS IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN THIS UNIVERSE..
If "skills is the only thing that matters" then Leon Spinks never beats Ali. Terry Norris never beats Leonard. Laing never beats Duran. Boxing is a tough hustle. It's why we watch. No matter how good your skills are the human jaw wasn't meant to get hit. Manny Pacquiao has made many strong legs do funny things (JMM, Hatton,Cotto, Mosely). We'll see how Floyd's hold up.


-Froggy :

If "skills is the only thing that matters" then Leon Spinks never beats Ali. Terry Norris never beats Leonard. Laing never beats Duran. Boxing is a tough hustle. It's why we watch. No matter how good your skills are the human jaw wasn't meant to get hit. Manny Pacquiao has made many strong legs do funny things (JMM, Hatton,Cotto, Mosely). We'll see how Floyd's hold up.
Also Margarito, who Floyd could have fought, if he wanted to !


-King Beef :

And so, ....Let the mind games begin....although its difficult to tell who's playing? Roach hasn't mentioned a single person who was allegedly paid off, or if these fighters are guys who have helped Mayweather prepare for other fights in the past....or if they are already aligned with the Haymon camp. If they are its just Al Haymon picking off Roaches attempted "covert ops". I was just wondering today ....when is the spying was going to commence? I've heard of this type of thing happening before. I just dont believe its happening the way Freddy is telling it. If its happening at all. Consider the source....Roach is a tricky one. Trying to create drama when nothing illegal has occurred.
Lol I think Roach is just as good as stirring the pot as May Sr., Why even bring it up, mentions some potential sparring partners, but no names, being paid off, then next breath "were not worried about those guys", we already got Mayweather lookalikes. Freddie has been in the game too long, he probably has everybody in place he needs. Both teams probably got "props on top of props" set up to throw each other off the trail, if any spying is attempted.


-stormcentre :

Yep, this is the same Freddie that clearly had more than a little something to do with Mickey Rourke's last sensational fight. Looks like we're going to get a lot of mixed and highly charged comments (originating from both within and outside of the forum) as we head into the MayPac fight. Look at what's going on already.


-stormcentre :

Yep, this is the same Freddie that clearly had more than a little something to do with Mickey Rourke's last sensational fight. Looks like we're going to get a lot of mixed and highly charged comments (originating from both within and outside of the forum) as we head into the MayPac fight. Look at what's going on already.


-SouthPawFlo :

I think people need to understand that "Money" Mayweather is just an image to polarize people and generate interest... He was just as good as a fighter as "Pretty Boy Floyd" but the Money Moniker he made him the highest paid athlete in the world......


-michaelabii :

Its probably too early to offer my predictions on how this fight will pan out but since I do not intend to spend too much ink on a subject that will be fiercely debated over the next 2 months I will offer my take and rest my pen. Manny will most likely win this fight and this calculation comes from a fight fan who truly appreciates Mayweathers rare gifts. You see Mayweather has always been able to dictate the pace of a fight even when a fighter brings the fight to him ala Maidana. Manny has much better footwork than Maidana and is far quicker and explosive. Floyd will have to move like he did against Diego Corrales but he has not fought like that in over a decade and I really think he cant fight at that pace anymore. Also, notice that when Floyd decides to trade he usually throws wide shots - he therefore cannot afford to trade against Manny. Now, I do think Floyd can win this fight convincingly by forcing Manny on the back foot all night. This will require focus and stamina on Floyds part but he can do it if he decides to. I don't think his ego will let him do this however. Floyd has gotten so comfortable fighting in the safety first, defensive potshot mode that he has employed for well over a decade and this has served him well so far. I believe that Floyd is a great offensive fighting machine when he decides to be. This is one fight where he has to fight offensively much like he fought Judah. He will not win this fight with the pot shot right hand or fade counter strategy he employs in most of his fights. Manny will be throwing lots of punches all night and if Floyd does not get this right he could end up like De La Hoya did when he fought Manny. There, I have said my piece.


-Radam G :

I think people need to understand that "Money" Mayweather is just an image to polarize people and generate interest... He was just as good as a fighter as "Pretty Boy Floyd" but the Money Moniker he made him the highest paid athlete in the world......
Ditto! He is an archmaster bullspitter and super bullsyetter to bring those suckas born every minute to sit in their butts in those seats and get those eyeballs on those PPV screen and the Big screens. I ain't nuffin' but luv for Money May. And Da Manny has an arse thrashing and love for him. Hehehe! Holla!


-Froggy :

Well said michaelabii, and I agree !


-stormcentre :

Its probably too early to offer my predictions on how this fight will pan out but since I do not intend to spend too much ink on a subject that will be fiercely debated over the next 2 months I will offer my take and rest my pen. Manny will most likely win this fight and this calculation comes from a fight fan who truly appreciates Mayweathers rare gifts. You see Mayweather has always been able to dictate the pace of a fight even when a fighter brings the fight to him ala Maidana. Manny has much better footwork than Maidana and is far quicker and explosive. Floyd will have to move like he did against Diego Corrales but he has not fought like that in over a decade and I really think he cant fight at that pace anymore. Also, notice that when Floyd decides to trade he usually throws wide shots - he therefore cannot afford to trade against Manny. Now, I do think Floyd can win this fight convincingly by forcing Manny on the back foot all night. This will require focus and stamina on Floyds part but he can do it if he decides to. I don't think his ego will let him do this however. Floyd has gotten so comfortable fighting in the safety first, defensive potshot mode that he has employed for well over a decade and this has served him well so far. I believe that Floyd is a great offensive fighting machine when he decides to be. This is one fight where he has to fight offensively much like he fought Judah. He will not win this fight with the pot shot right hand or fade counter strategy he employs in most of his fights. Manny will be throwing lots of punches all night and if Floyd does not get this right he could end up like De La Hoya did when he fought Manny. There, I have said my piece.
Yep, that right there seems to be the hurdle Floyd will have to overcome if he is to beat Pacquaio. Good post. That said, most guys that try and bring that level of intensity to Floyd for 3 minutes of every round find themselves making mistakes and gassed in the later rounds; perhaps that won't be the case with Pacquaio - even with the testing regime. It's going to be a good fight. I think Floyd knows Pacquaio is going to ensure it's a fight in all sense of the word. I took a look at Floyd Vs Hernandez, Ndou and Chavez the other night. And. even though he whipped those guys into submission, it seems from the above post that that is the way Floyd must fight Pacquaio in order to win.


-Radam G :

Money May should not be humbled, but humiliated. He is about sweet swag, not sweet science. There is a time to scrap. And there is a time to swag. Fam May and company have it twisted. They don't what time it is. And have become entitled. Holla!