Thurman Knows Guerrero Went 12 With Floyd, So The Bar Has Been Set

Oh, the eyeballs available on March 7. Keith Thurman gets it.

“One Time,” the 26-year-old Florida resident who has built himself into a player at 147, and someone who is seen as being on a short-ish list for ones to watch close in the near future, when the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos get touched by  time in a way that an application of Just For Men can’t address, told me that he is quite cognizant of what can happen on March 7.

On that night, on NBC PROPER, no mere cable cousin, he will be fighting Robert Guerrero, certain to be a stern test, one that will measure his strength, and skills and probably his will. And he knows that merely winning, yeah, that’s great, but the way he wins will be arguably more important than on any other time he’s gloved up.

“This is the kickoff, and this year is extremely important, and I know the role I play in the kickoff will influence this series,” the 24-0 (21 KOs) hitter told me. “I’m waiting for this fight. It’s not on Showtime, not on HBO, you can click the first few channels. I’ve seen the billboards in Times Square, heard about the ads on the subways, in NY, in LA. It’s a BIG EVENT. You have Al Michaels, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marv Albert announcing. So I’m really looking forward to this fight, and this year. And I look forward to us having a conversation at this time next year, and talking about how far we’ve come.”

The March 7 event is the first primetime offering put together by the former music biz bigwig Al Haymon, who is applying some of his expertise in that realm and working to re-invigorate a sport which has not been savvy at tweaking its methods and operations and messaging the last few decades.

I did pose to the WBA “interim” welter champ Thurman, is there a possibility of over-reaching, of wanting to over-impress, with the comprehension that some 100 million eyeballs are up for grabs, and thus, that could find him wanting too hard to live up to the “One Time” tag. “There’s no danger of that,” answered the boxer who last fought Dec. 13 and won a UD12 over Leonard Bundu. “We do our job. I will do the best for me and that will be the worst for him. Now, in my last fight, my foe didn’t expect me to move.” Indeed, some fans expecting fireworks who saw a more subtle show of skills from the sniper Thurman took to Twitter to bemoan his MO against Bundu. “But if Guerrero is predicting I run, and if I find it easy to hit him, I may just lay flat-footed, and fire, and it could be an easy night. Easy and early night.”

And so we talked about the stakes. The eyeballs up for grabs. Newbies who don’t get Showtime or HBO. That’s understood. But there’s also the “F” word. Floyd. If Thurman gets an impressive win over Guerrero (32-2-1 with 18 KOs), who took Floyd twelve rounds when they tangled in May 2013, yes, that sends a message.

“I want to make a statement,” Thurman told me. “I want to speak to the channel clickers, get new fans intrigued. People know he went twelve with Floyd. If I get him out under twelve, that will make a statement. I’m ready for the Guerrero challenge, I’m not worried or thinking about Floyd. And how will I win? I might hurt the man, because I’ve hurt practically every man I’ve fought.”

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COMMENTS

-amayseng :

I will take the Ghost my MD in this one. Thurman is more bark than bite, he does not like getting hit and has been wobbled before.


-flackoguapo :

What do you see in RG to beat Thurman? I know Thurman has yet to fight anybody and has been hurt, but I am not feelin' the welterweight version of The Ghost against a true welterweight who can crack


-amayseng :

What do you see in RG to beat Thurman? I know Thurman has yet to fight anybody and has been hurt, but I am not feelin' the welterweight version of The Ghost against a true welterweight who can crack
The Ghost will win on sheer grit and activity out hustling Thurman who will be on his bike by round 9.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

The Ghost will win on sheer grit and activity out hustling Thurman who will be on his bike by round 9.
Wow, you sound dilerious. Worst case scenario Thurman wins by unanimous decision. Thurman is too fast and skilled for Thurman and I predict that he wins via TKO. Guerrero is very easy to hit and Thurman loves heavy bags.


-#1 PacFan :

Guerrero is so overrated I don't know how in hell he got a shot at Floyd. Have yet to see that fight and prolly wouldn't have watched it if it was for free. I don't know how Thurman fights but from what I heard hr is pretty good. Will have yo watch some of his clips.


-amayseng :

Wow, you sound dilerious. Worst case scenario Thurman wins by unanimous decision. Thurman is too fast and skilled for Thurman and I predict that he wins via TKO. Guerrero is very easy to hit and Thurman loves heavy bags.
Thurman is a stud but his stamina is questionable, he has been wobbled and he is not sharp.


-amayseng :

Wow, you sound dilerious. Worst case scenario Thurman wins by unanimous decision. Thurman is too fast and skilled for Thurman and I predict that he wins via TKO. Guerrero is very easy to hit and Thurman loves heavy bags.
Thurman is a stud but his stamina is questionable, he has been wobbled and he is not sharp.


-King Beef :

The Ghost will win on sheer grit and activity out hustling Thurman who will be on his bike by round 9.
I will give you that Guerrero is a grit and hustle fighter, and a pretty good technical fighter, but if he gets into another "in the trenches" fight like he did with Kamegai, he probably won't fair too well. Seems like everybody is trying to label the "runner" label on Thurman since the Bundu fight, but I think Thurman has a decisive power advantage over ghost that is probably gonna decide the fight. It should be an interesting fight either way.


-The Good Doctor :

Saying that Guerrero went 12 with Floyd is a loaded and misleading statement. So did Zab, Baldomir, anda fat lightweight in Marquez. The Ghost only went 12 because of Floyd's style. Ghost was thoroughly outclassed. As for a pick, I think Thurman can pull it out but he will have to work for it. I think "one time" is good but he has some holes that the Ghost can exploit. Thurman is a bit of a homerun hitter with the wide punches, which leaves him open for counters, drops his opposite hand when going to the body, and likes a high guard which leads him open to some body work. I also have to question what will happen to Thurman if the fight goes late. His wind is questionable and he has only been 12 twice in his career and neither of those guys were of any real acuity. All that being said, I still like Thurman 7-5, possibly split decision.


-the Roast :

A tremendous beating is in store for Guerrero. Both his eyes will swell shut and he won't come off the stool for the 8th.


-brownsugar :

Saying that Guerrero went 12 with Floyd is a loaded and misleading statement. So did Zab, Baldomir, anda fat lightweight in Marquez. The Ghost only went 12 because of Floyd's style. Ghost was thoroughly outclassed. As for a pick, I think Thurman can pull it out but he will have to work for it. I think "one time" is good but he has some holes that the Ghost can exploit. Thurman is a bit of a homerun hitter with the wide punches, which leaves him open for counters, drops his opposite hand when going to the body, and likes a high guard which leads him open to some body work. I also have to question what will happen to Thurman if the fight goes late. His wind is questionable and he has only been 12 twice in his career and neither of those guys were of any real acuity. All that being said, I still like Thurman 7-5, possibly split decision.
It' kind of funny when you look at it Good Doc, .... who hasn't gone 12 with Floyd is a better question? I'd favor my own chances of going twelve with man.... (if the distance doesn't make me tap out first ):cool:. I might be dazed and confused afterwards and may question my manhood for a couple of weeks after fighting Floyd, but I'm certain gonna leave the ring under my own power( If I were an active professional boxer, which I'm not) But "BEATING" Floyd in an entirely different story. Guerrero rarely did anything in the entire fight to distinguish himself from challengers like Canelo, Mosley, Ortiz, and the second Maidana fight. So Doc your comment was extremely appropriate. I'm sure Thurman is well aware of "HOW" Guerrero's 12 rounds went with Floyd. He probably gets a smile on his face everytime he thinks about it. ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* Guerrero's dad said recently that Robert has finally gotten used to the added weight and will be floating around the ring like the way he used to when Robert was a nimble junior lightweight.... all kinetic energy, nothing but nonstop motion and a cloud of dust. But come'n now, can anyone really see Guererro doing much more that the effort he put forth in his recent kamikaze,... last man standing, brawl of a fight he exhibited in his last performance? It's ironic that Guererro was the one who actually used his fight with Floyd as promotional tag-line, ("well, I went 12 rounds with the master, Thurman won't be much of a problem") From what I've seen of Thurman, he's goal oriented, meaning that, Thurman knows how to execute,.....he's going to tag whom ever he fights. not saying he will get all KO's like the GGG variety, but he always hits his man clean, he keeps his power until the late rounds, and he's never flat footed for more than a few seconds. Thurman barely bounces as he shifts the position of he feet from one position to the next, always ready to pivot in and out of range.....Most of his fights are pretty interesting,.... Zan Javek and the Frenchman Bundu being the exception, and lets face it, neither one of those guys were really trying to win, ...their main objective was to try and look good while they simply survived. Survivors usually cast a foul odor with their crafty-but-safe performances and leave the entire audience with the profound thought...... who farted?. Mr Lean-grab-and-punch Guererro will not be able to wrap his arms around the bigger stronger Thurman while trying to rest his head on his chest like its a human pillow, ..as he thrashes and whacks away with the free hand. Guererro will be caught, and caught regularly. or if you just want the abreviated straight-to-the point version, just move up a few lines and read the Roasts comment.


-amayseng :

If Thurman wants to win this fight he will have to be on his bike in a boring hit and run style just like Floyd. The Ghost won't back down for a second and Thurman will realize this after hitting him with four rounds of bombs and the look on the Ghost's face never changes, he never takes a step back or stops coming. When a man watches his wife nearly die for two years there is nothing you can do to him in the ring to make him flinch. The Ghost will not be an easy out. Floyd learned this real quick and kept further space than against anyone he has ever fought. Thurman will be gassed by round 9 with wider slower shots. The Ghost will still be coming forward.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

If Thurman wants to win this fight he will have to be on his bike in a boring hit and run style just like Floyd. The Ghost won't back down for a second and Thurman will realize this after hitting him with four rounds of bombs and the look on the Ghost's face never changes, he never takes a step back or stops coming. When a man watches his wife nearly die for two years there is nothing you can do to him in the ring to make him flinch. The Ghost will not be an easy out. Floyd learned this real quick and kept further space than against anyone he has ever fought. Thurman will be gassed by round 9 with wider slower shots. The Ghost will still be coming forward.
Guerrero won't be fighting Berto or the Japanese fighter that he fought last. Thurman is a boxer-puncher with good power in both hands. His last fight illustrated to many viewers that he is more than just a power puncher. I will be surprised if Guerrero doesn't touch the canvas or get a thorough beat down. Guerrero got touched up pretty bad in his last fight and Thurman is head and Shoulders above Guerrero 's last opponent.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

If Thurman wants to win this fight he will have to be on his bike in a boring hit and run style just like Floyd. The Ghost won't back down for a second and Thurman will realize this after hitting him with four rounds of bombs and the look on the Ghost's face never changes, he never takes a step back or stops coming. When a man watches his wife nearly die for two years there is nothing you can do to him in the ring to make him flinch. The Ghost will not be an easy out. Floyd learned this real quick and kept further space than against anyone he has ever fought. Thurman will be gassed by round 9 with wider slower shots. The Ghost will still be coming forward.
Guerrero won't be fighting Berto or the Japanese fighter that he fought last. Thurman is a boxer-puncher with good power in both hands. His last fight illustrated to many viewers that he is more than just a power puncher. I will be surprised if Guerrero doesn't touch the canvas or get a thorough beat down. Guerrero got touched up pretty bad in his last fight and Thurman is head and shoulders above Guerrero 's last opponent.


-deepwater2 :

I have to go with Thurman on this one. The guy hasn't looked great in his last two fights but he found a way to win besides blowing out overmatched guys. Also I have to say that Thurman seems to have an old school mentality and actually wants to fight the best and it is not his fault that tsAH lines him up against stiffs. I am not a huge Thurman fan but I see him boxing his way around RG and if possible stop him on cuts or TKO. The Ghost beat the hell out of berto and his phoney shoulder roll but Thurman won't stand against the ropes trying that. The ghost will take massive punishment and he will gain respect for trying to win. I hope Thurman gets some big tests after this and he doesn't go back on tsAH diet of stiffs and smaller guys.


-ultimoshogun :

An interesting matchup indeed. I gave Thurman a pass in his last fight where they played patty cake the entire fight rendering it unwatchable. Guerrero will show us who the real Keith Thurman is.


-amayseng :

Guerrero won't be fighting Berto or the Japanese fighter that he fought last. Thurman is a boxer-puncher with good power in both hands. His last fight illustrated to many viewers that he is more than just a power puncher. I will be surprised if Guerrero doesn't touch the canvas or get a thorough beat down. Guerrero got touched up pretty bad in his last fight and Thurman is head and shoulders above Guerrero 's last opponent.
And look at Thurman's last fight, boring and uneventful. I was hoping he got a shot at Floyd soon but after that debacle I was eating my words. This is Keith's fight to lose and if he goes in cocky he is going to be surprised. It will be a close fight with Thurman getting a controversial nod thanks to TSAH Lots of people will see The Ghost the busier and more active fighter


-oubobcat :

I just checked the odds on this fight and Guerrero is currently sitting at +400 while Thurman is at -600. Granted, I favor Thurman in this fight but those odds seem out of whack unless somebody knows something I don't. I see a lot of close rounds in this fight. Thurman will utilize the strategy we have become familiar with in his fights. He will move and pot shot. He will land hard shots at times and those shots will carry a lot of weight in the minds of the judges. Guerrero will be busier and land his own shots. But they won't carry the same thud that Thurman's will. It will be one of those boxing conundrums where Guerrero lands more but Thurman lands flashier harder shots. Rounds will be close and we will be arguing on the scoring of the fight. However, my gut tells me in the eyes of the judges Thurman's power shots will carry more weight and be just enough to let him eek out a decision. Going back to the above odds though, if I am betting this fight I am laying some bucks on Guerrero as there is no way he should be a 4-1 dog here. And just for good measure, whenever the over/under is posted I'd be wagering very heavy on the over. Guerrero has a world class chin and I don't think Thurman can get him out of there. On the flip side, Guerrero is a blown up Featherweight whose power really has not carried north and I don't see him being able to get Thurman out of there either. I could see Thurman getting momentarily rocked like in the Chaves and Soto Karass fights but Guerrero won't be able to sustain long enough to get him out either.


-brownsugar :

Nice call Oubobcat. Guererro is rock solid. That cannot be denied. If Guererro remembers he was once a fighter who could box and adapt, i think he could go the distance. But this fight reminds my of Kovalev vs Hopkins. Youth, size and strength versus a savvy brawler. Youth and skill will send a swollen cut up Guererro to the showers early. They'll have to drag a proud and tearful Guererro away against his will, because the soft tissue around Guererro's eyes wont be able to sustain the punishment. Somewhere between rounds ten an eleven.


-brownsugar :

Nice call Oubobcat. Guererro is rock solid. That cannot be denied. If Guererro remembers he was once a fighter who could box and adapt, i think he could go the distance. But this fight reminds my of Kovalev vs Hopkins. Youth, size and strength versus a savvy brawler. Youth and skill will send a swollen cut up Guererro to the showers early. They'll have to drag a proud and tearful Guererro away against his will, because the soft tissue around Guererro's eyes wont be able to sustain the punishment. Somewhere between rounds ten an eleven.


-deepwater2 :

Well, whatever chance RG had just went out the window. Kenny Bayless is the ref. Decent man that breaks up the action on the inside. The ref ,the corner or the fighter might stop it before the final bell. If Floyd went toe to toe with RG he might not have won. He did what he did to win and more power to him but he knew that RG's advantage was on the inside going toe to toe. Kenny Bayless will be the ref for Floyd vs Manny so lets see how he prevents a superfight from breaking out.