MORE MERCHANT: Larry on Money-Manny, Haymon Takeover

He remains skeptical, does Larry Merchant, that MayPac gets made. But, he admitted to me, his main source of lowdown on whether Money-Manny gets made is Dan Rafael. In other words, he’s as beholden to sources who are either slightly in the dark about what might go down, or not inclined to share their true leanings, as the rest of us…

The former keyboard tapper who became a fixture in the A analyst seat at HBO told me that he thinks it a real possibility that The Fight turns out to be an anti-climax, and thinks it possible that we’ll have spent all these years obsessing about something which turns out to be something not so special. The back and forth, the showmanship, the speculation and subterfuge, all that stuff is basically posturing, he told me, some of it bragging, in a “mine is bigger than yours” way, and proving, on the part of Mayweather, that he’s so the A side that he can dictate most all terms.

Merchant admitted that he’s of late been more focused on the 25th anniversary of the Tyson-Douglas shocker, when a man assumed to be a speedbump on the Tyson road to all-time invincibility shredded the script, and beat down the bully. He talked about a charity event to take place in Columbus, Ohio, Douglas’ old stomping grounds, and doing a video hit for HBO to reminisce about the shocker scrap.

I wished Merchant a happy birthday, his 84, on Feb. 11, and then we talked some about the Haymon takeover. I asked if he thought the “boxing is back” narrative has merit, or is being force fed on us…

He’s open to that plotline, he said, but the proof will come when we learn how many eyeballs are being drawn to those NBC shows, and how many sponsors and revenue sources Haymon can lure to keep the massive roster of boxers and growing infrastructure afloat.

“If Deontay Wilder and one or two others can get to a point where they are building up American fighters, that could be a component of success,” he said. A solid rumble could be a potent attraction on a Saturday night, which is sort of a TV wasteland on the nets, and Haymon could be hitting on the right time to build buzz, Merchant said.

Can he market boxing as a “special event,” Merchant wondered, and if yes, he could capture those casuals that we haven’t been getting as we’ve been hiding all the quality tangles behind premium cable and PPV pay wall for the last couple decades.

“I’m as curious as the next guy to see how it turns out,” the Brooklyn native told me.

Merchant said boxing’s down period came about partially at least because many folks didn’t trust the integrity of the product. Don King was seen by so many as a malevolent marionette, “pulling strings,” and thus sponsors didn’t shy away from boxing, they sprinted.

“They didn’t want to be associated with it,” he said.

In my mind, heck, with all the bad ink NFLers get, should it be that hard to build up our brand by focusing on the majesty of the action, and the sturdy bodies and souls of the athletes who engage in the most difficult sport known to man?

“I assume Al Haymon is smart, and has tested his concept,” the analyst finished. Me too..I don’t assume that because others couldn’t or wouldn’t attract sponsors to the product, that that will always be the case. I can find a hundred men and women of integrity and heart and immense soul to help build a brand in the sweet science, and we in the sport have shot ourselves in both feet for too long by tearing down, and dissecting the evils and ills in the sport, instead of building up and sharing the obvious upsides to the sport and its practitioners.

Larry fans should keep an eye out for cruise ship listings. What? Why? Because, he told me, he’s set to maybe do a lecture series on a cruise, talk sports, talk Muhammad Ali, share his love and passion for this theater of the unexpected we all hold so dear.

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COMMENTS

-The Commish :

I believe Merchant is right about a $$$May-Pacquiao fight being anti-climactic. I remember how much a highly-anticipated bout between the two best light heavyweight in the world--Michael Spinks and Dwight Muhammad Qawi--fizzled out over 15 rounds. Muhammad Ali v Joe Frazier II was so clinch-filled and slow-paced that I was surprised a third one even took place--and turned into the classic it did. We all know Manny v Money should have happened years ago. But it didn't. Over the years, both have slipped. Not a lot, but they've slipped. Their slow reaction time may lead to a more action-packed fight, or a 12-round stinker. If Pacquiao couldn't knock out Chris Algieri, he certainly will not stop Floyd Mayweather. And if Mayweather could not stop the hittable Roberto Guerrero and Marcos Maidana, he will not stop Pacquiao. I am expecting a good fight between the two of them, but nothing more. I do not expect them to produce an unforgettable classic. If anything, I am leaning more towards Larry Merchant's line of thinking. It may turn into something which will leave us wondering, "Why was I so obsessed with this fight in the first place?" First, let them sign the papers and make it reality. If they don't wrap it up by next week, really, let's just move on! -Randy G.


-Radam G :

Chris Algieri has a big heart and had a tolerant referee who let him continue. The bout should have been stopped. Da Manny will KAYO Money May. This is why Money May loves to delay. He is getting up his nerves -- OKAY! Against Da Manny, and nobody else, will Money May ever be a yo yo. He will be a KTFO go go. Hehehe! Holla!


-stormcentre :

I'm not saying who I think will win yet. But, if it's at a weight that serves Floyd (think Marquez) I don't see Manny KOing Floyd. As I have mentioned many times before, both guys have the inverse attributes to the other; so it's intriguing from that perspective. Not much point in discussing Floyd further as right now there seems very little love for him. :) Merchant's comments are interesting though. Especially those about boxing shooting itself in the foot and/or being it's own worst enemy. I mean, Larry has some pretty abrasive things to say about people and fighter when midstream of a broadcast. Or even after they have lost. I can't cant count the amount of times Larry - on air - has almost totally written off and/or degraded a fighter after a loss. Same for the amount of times a real-world-boxing commentator (like Roy Jones or someone else of his ilk) has corrected Larry, only to have Larry then search throughout the fight for examples of how he may not be so in need of the "correction".


-BMontgomery :

I wouldn't be disappointed if the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight did happen and it was a total bust---poor PPV numbers, poor live gate, anticlimactic ending---but that's all just dreaming. Unfortunately. These two mega-stars have milked this "issue" to it's limits. For well over five years both sides have been going back and forth and all the while yanking boxing fans along like a kid drags a string of tin cans down the street, interested only in making noise but not caring how banged up the cans get. If this fight does happen I am one who won't cough up the more than likely exorbitant PPV price for this spectacle, because this fight, as many have already said, is way past its due date. Most boxing fans might not agree with me, but really, these two guys are old news and bad news, and really just a waste of time. Having this fight now is like introducing a 2007 Chevy Impala in 2015--I was much more interested in the 2007 Impala in 2007.


-the Roast :

I don't even care anymore if they fight or not. It's too much talk already. Do it or don't. There are plenty of other fighters and fights to watch if Manny and Floyd never fight again. If they sign I will watch. Probably not going to pay 70 plus dollars to watch at home but I would go somewhere and watch it. Whatever already. I do miss Larry Merchant on HBO. Some people hate the guy but I think he was the best of all time.


-stormcentre :

I don't even care anymore if they fight or not. It's too much talk already. Do it or don't. There are plenty of other fighters and fights to watch if Manny and Floyd never fight again. If they sign I will watch. Probably not going to pay 70 plus dollars to watch at home but I would go somewhere and watch it. Whatever already. I do miss Larry Merchant on HBO. Some people hate the guy but I think he was the best of all time.
Yeh he's (Larry Merchant) alright. Just a little hypocritical and derogatory to fighters, at times, for me. Other times, Larry Merchant's perspectives are well received. He's been around for a while. Actually, so has Jim Lampley. I like Jim. Actually . . . . watched a Tyson V Frazier fight video the other week and saw Jim without a grey hair. It made me feel old, as I was boxing and just a kid then and remember them all. 25 years go quick - too quick.


-razorramon :

I don't agree that Pac and floyd had slipped that much. This two best fighter in this generation are still on top for a decade 1 & 2 respectively until this present day. The only way this fight gonna be anti climatic if floyd will run, clinching and used his sharp elbow all the time. Manny will go after floyd and pressure him. While floyd will keep running, clinching and using his sharp elbow and maybe pot shot Pacquiao while he is going forward. Then Pacquiao will always use different angle to confuse floyd while floyd will keep on running clinching and using his sharp elbow and can't take a shot at Pac, he doesn't know where Pac gonna be, either on the left,right, front or even behind floyd. So Floyd will keep on running clinching and using his sharp elbow, then run again. That's the only reason this fight being anti climatic. Floyd Jr can trash talk outside the ring but when he is inside with Pacquaio, he will then realize he is facing a "Beast". Most of Pacquaio opponent talking **** but when they are inside the ring with Pacquaio they change, can't do their game plan either a,b,or c then turn into a punching bag....... boring fight


-razorramon :

I don't agree that Pac and floyd had slipped that much. This two best fighter in this generation are still on top for a decade 1 & 2 respectively until this present day. The only way this fight gonna be anti climatic if floyd will run, clinching and used his sharp elbow all the time. Manny will go after floyd and pressure him. While floyd will keep running, clinching and using his sharp elbow and maybe pot shot Pacquiao while he is going forward. Then Pacquiao will always use different angle to confuse floyd while floyd will keep on running clinching and using his sharp elbow and can't take a shot at Pac, he doesn't know where Pac gonna be, either on the left,right, front or even behind floyd. So Floyd will keep on running clinching and using his sharp elbow, then run again. That's the only reason this fight being anti climatic. Floyd Jr can trash talk outside the ring but when he is inside with Pacquaio, he will then realize he is facing a "Beast". Most of Pacquaio opponent talking **** but when they are inside the ring with Pacquaio they change, can't do their game plan either a,b,or c then turn into a punching bag....... boring fight


-stormcentre :

Yep, you might be right. Floyd is still relatively fresh and has no real wear/tear on him from taking big punishment. Pack, whilst he has had a lot of demanding and strung out fights, is still really in good form. Both guys have slowed down a little, but in ways that even it up. I think the fight will be pretty good, and I think that because their styles match up beautifully. Look at the first 4 or 5 rounds of Floyd's fight with Zab Judah; "Super Judah's" (as he likes to be called now) lefty style and speed really gave Floyd issues. But Zab's stamina petered out and then Floyd tightened up the defense and went sharp shooting. Result; Judah popped his cork cause of all that pressure. We all thought Floyd wouldn't stand and fight with Mosley and Canelo too; but he stood right in front and dominated - so much so that all Canelo (and Guerrero) and his team could say - to save face after - was that Floyd ran. But Floyd didn't run - just dished out a major league *** whipping shut out, and schooling. I think - even if Floyd were to be too defensively minded for the Pacquaio fight - unless Floyd is popping Manny as he comes in (a real possibility) - Pacman's style wouldn't allow Floyd to clinch and elbow too much; as Pacquaio is always throwing down. And that's the brilliance of it, Pacquaio (and guys) throwing down with Floyd; usually works into Floyd's traps and favour. Just as guys that try and slow the pace down and struggle with fast lefties; usually works into Pacquaio's traps and favour. I mean, Judah (style-wise and in his prime) is a more polished and fundamentally sound southpaw, and he really gave Floyd issues in the first third or so of their fight. Pacquaio, throws more, has better punch resistance, better marquee level experience, exceptional stamina, as good if not better speed, and nowhere near as good defence - but to make up for it his killing instinct is (was?) second to none. Here's as wildcard and something that not many people may be thinking about; how will the extended and random testing effect each guy going in? Go on everyone slap me down and tell me neither of them have ever used. Ever the protagonist; Storm. :)


-Scar :

I don't even care anymore if they fight or not. It's too much talk already. Do it or don't. There are plenty of other fighters and fights to watch if Manny and Floyd never fight again. If they sign I will watch. Probably not going to pay 70 plus dollars to watch at home but I would go somewhere and watch it. Whatever already. I do miss Larry Merchant on HBO. Some people hate the guy but I think he was the best of all time.
I stopped caring since early 2012. This fight would've meant something in 2009-2011.


-razorramon :

Boxing expert, pro boxers,and hardcore fans are picking floyd as the favorite to win against Pacquaio due to his unblemished record. I will agree on that premise that being undefeated is always be the big dawg. Floyd is in another level as boxer. He prove it in 47 fights that he truly the no.1 p4p. He defeated some big names in his career but when he went back from his retirement (semi retired after dela hoya fight) he picks his opponent that he thinks he can beat them easily. like marquez who went up from 2 weight class and yet floyd came in 2 lbs bigger on their required weight, Marquez is weight drain. Yes, Marquez KO Pac but he took 4 fights before he was able to land is lucky shot and boom Pac went to sleep, remember 4 fights and he was being beaten hard by Pac before he landed the lucky punch.I will give credit to the winner but he didn't convinced me that he is the better fighter in 4 fights they fought. If he was better fighter,why can't he fight Pac for the 5th time to get his dream as the only mexican who has 4 or 5 division title to add to his legacy.Why take a chance to choose other fighters if he think he beat Pac four times thats a lot of BS. A lot of fans said Mayweather had a difficult time fighting southpaw until he can figure out to defeat them like Judah. Judah is no Pacquiao and all the southpaw floyd fought. Pacquiao is in another level aside from floyd. Pacquiao will enter the ring to seek and destroy his opponent. They say he is no longer the same Pacquiao who KO his opponent.His killer instinct has slipped. But this is another version of Pacquiao more wiser more technical then before. He pick his opponent then he swarm and pressure them with flurry of punches in different angles and move out quickly. Just imagine a boxer who was Knockdown flat on his face and sleep for a minute or two, then came back dominating three tough fighters, one who is hard puncher, one who is versatile and one who can move. Floyd jr.having doubt that he can beat Pac easily thats why this fight hasn't happen til this day. Fans, everyone pressuring him to fight Pacquiao because they know Pac is another high octane elite fighter that give floyd a hard fight and can win.


-stormcentre :

Boxing expert, pro boxers,and hardcore fans are picking floyd as the favorite to win against Pacquaio due to his unblemished record. I will agree on that premise that being undefeated is always be the big dawg. Floyd is in another level as boxer. He prove it in 47 fights that he truly the no.1 p4p. He defeated some big names in his career but when he went back from his retirement (semi retired after dela hoya fight) he picks his opponent that he thinks he can beat them easily. like marquez who went up from 2 weight class and yet floyd came in 2 lbs bigger on their required weight, Marquez is weight drain. Yes, Marquez KO Pac but he took 4 fights before he was able to land is lucky shot and boom Pac went to sleep, remember 4 fights and he was being beaten hard by Pac before he landed the lucky punch.I will give credit to the winner but he didn't convinced me that he is the better fighter in 4 fights they fought. If he was better fighter,why can't he fight Pac for the 5th time to get his dream as the only mexican who has 4 or 5 division title to add to his legacy.Why take a chance to choose other fighters if he think he beat Pac four times thats a lot of BS. A lot of fans said Mayweather had a difficult time fighting southpaw until he can figure out to defeat them like Judah. Judah is no Pacquiao and all the southpaw floyd fought. Pacquiao is in another level aside from floyd. Pacquiao will enter the ring to seek and destroy his opponent. They say he is no longer the same Pacquiao who KO his opponent.His killer instinct has slipped. But this is another version of Pacquiao more wiser more technical then before. He pick his opponent then he swarm and pressure them with flurry of punches in different angles and move out quickly. Just imagine a boxer who was Knockdown flat on his face and sleep for a minute or two, then came back dominating three tough fighters, one who is hard puncher, one who is versatile and one who can move. Floyd jr.having doubt that he can beat Pac easily thats why this fight hasn't happen til this day. Fans, everyone pressuring him to fight Pacquiao because they know Pac is another high octane elite fighter that give floyd a hard fight and can win.
Yep you're right with a lot of what you say Razorramon. Floyd usually chooses carefully whom he fights. Yes, he did go into retirement after the first Oscar fight; leaving Oscar without a means to execute the rematch/clause. Yep, Floyd came in heavy and toyed with Marquez. Yep Floyd went into retirement also around about the time when Margarito called him out, and also when Paul Williams seemed dangerous. Judah - in my opinion - was a more fundamentally sound boxer than Pacquaio, and he (Zab) had all the potential in the world; until Kostya Tszyu changed the course of his career and life. Pacquaio has gone on to be an incredible champion; winning more championships than Floyd. And yes, you're right, Pacquaio's act of still successfully fighting on with Rios and Bradley after Marquez last KO'd him, is a tremendous achievement. No argument from me on all that; seems Pacquaio is a lock to win then. Two things though - and I am not saying Floyd will win with these comments. 1) Just as Judah is no Pacquiao - Bradley and certainly Rios are no Mayweather. 2) Do you think that Floyd's would not have beaten Marquez had he not fought "heavy"? Does 2 pounds (and not Floyd's skills) make it that easy to totally dominate? It's OK if you don't agree with me - just responding to your post and asking.


-stormcentre :

Oh one more thing. No matter what anyone says, going from flyweight to welterweight and either still knocking guys out at those higher weights - or seriously beating them up like Pacquaio did to Margarito; is an amazing feat. I can't think of anyone in boxing's entire history that has ever carried their power up through the divisions like that. Can anyone else think of a fighter in any era that has? Finally, if Floyd fights Cotto and then Pacquaio later in the year I think Pacquaio should fight Maidana. If Pack blows Maidana out better than Floyd then (the blood loss associated with testing aside) that will give Pacquaio a huge psychological edge going in.


-King Beef :

Oh one more thing. No matter what anyone says, going from flyweight to welterweight and either still knocking guys out at those higher weights - or seriously beating them up like Pacquaio did to Margarito; is an amazing feat. I can't think of anyone in boxing's entire history that has ever carried their power up through the divisions like that. Can anyone else think of a fighter in any era that has? Finally, if Floyd fights Cotto and then Pacquaio later in the year I think Pacquaio should fight Maidana. If Pack blows Maidana out better than Floyd then (the blood loss associated with testing aside) that will give Pacquaio a huge psychological edge going in.
Good points throughout Storm, I have kinda lost interest in "the fight". If it gets made, the boxing fan in me will not let me miss it, but if it doesn't ..oh well move them out of the way and let the opportunities for the rest of the fighters to step out from PAC and May's shadows. If they don't fight in May, I still believe the fight is not gonna happen. Depending on who they fight, they take big risks in taking losses outside of each other. If May fights Cotto, that is not a sure thing win by any means, and like I said before if Mayweather losses he will not get a second chance, and I am surpised they didn't try to shadow Mayweathers past opponents with a Maidana fight (you know Maidana would luv another good payday, and Garcia would luv another shot at Roach) or a Canelo fight, but then again I don't think Bob is gonna let Pac anywhere near anybody with a decent chance to "turn the lights out" again until they get that Mayweather shot, and if Pac happens to fight Khan, that is not a sure thing win either. Not a fan of Merchant but gotta respect the his time in the game, (I always joke that it seems like Larry has had a few "adult beverages" before the broadcast)


-amayseng :

Oh one more thing. No matter what anyone says, going from flyweight to welterweight and either still knocking guys out at those higher weights - or seriously beating them up like Pacquaio did to Margarito; is an amazing feat. I can't think of anyone in boxing's entire history that has ever carried their power up through the divisions like that. Can anyone else think of a fighter in any era that has? Finally, if Floyd fights Cotto and then Pacquaio later in the year I think Pacquaio should fight Maidana. If Pack blows Maidana out better than Floyd then (the blood loss associated with testing aside) that will give Pacquaio a huge psychological edge going in.
Duran


-stormcentre :

Yes, you're probably right Amayseng; Duran is about as close as we may get to Pacquaio based on the criteria I laid out Feel a bit bad saying this about Duran though. As he is a legend. But I'm not sure Roberto carried his power - or success - up like Pacquaio; although I agree he certainly moved up through quite a lot of weights. Duran captured his first title, a lightweight title, in 1972 against Ken Buchanan. Then he appears to have held and fought for lightweight title until 1980 when he first fought Leonard for the WBC welterweight strap. In 1982 Duran unsuccessfully fought the great Wilfed Benitez for the WBC super welterweight strap. In 1983 Duran successfully fought Davey Moore for the WBA super welterweight strap. In the latter stage 1983 Duran unsuccessfully fought Marvin Hagler for the WBA, WBC and IBF middleweight straps. In 1984 Duran unsuccessfully fought Thomas Hearns for the WBC super welterweight strap. In 1989 Duran successfully fought Iran Barkley for the WBC middleweight strap. In the latter stage 1989 Duran unsuccessfully fought Sugar Ray Leonard for the WBC super middleweight strap. In 1994 Duran unsuccessfully fought Vinny Pazienza for the IBC super middleweight strap. In 1996 Duran unsuccessfully fought Hector Camacho for the IBC super middleweight strap. In 1998 Duran unsuccessfully fought William Joppy for the WBA middleweight strap. In 2000 Duran successfully fought Pat Lawlor for the NBA (and it was a basketball match) super middleweight strap. In 2001 Duran successfully fought Hector Camacho for the NBA super middleweight strap. Duran boxed almost 120 bouts in his career. Won 103 of them - with 70 by the short route. Lost only 16 - 4 by KO; 2 of them coming from Hearns and Joppy in the higher weights. So, whilst Duran wasn't quite as successful as Pacquaio and whilst he didn't carry his success and power in the upper-weight divisions' championship fights he campaigned in like Manny Pacquaio did; it's still a decent span of weights. Going through a guy like Duran's career to compare with Pacquaio, certainly puts into perspective how great Pacquaio's achievements are. As Pacquaio; a) Won almost all, if not all, of his championship bouts on the way up. b) Was still winning and KOing guys in (some of) the upper weights he campaigned at; if not he was still busting a lot of them up. c) Stated off at flyweight (much lower weight than Duran started off at) and (perhaps by catch weight) achieved championship status at light middleweight or super welterweight (close to the peak weights Duran campaigned in). d) Campaigned either through (skipped them on the way up) or at more weight divisions that Duran. e) Was more successful in fights and championships in each (particularly upper) weight division (than Duran) that he campaigned at.


-stormcentre :

Yes, you're probably right Amayseng; Duran is about as close as we may get to Pacquaio based on the criteria I laid out Feel a bit bad saying this about Duran though. As he is a legend. But I'm not sure Roberto carried his power - or success - up like Pacquaio; although I agree he certainly moved up through quite a lot of weights. Duran captured his first title, a lightweight title, in 1972 against Ken Buchanan. Then he appears to have held and fought for lightweight titles until 1980 when he first fought Leonard for the WBC welterweight strap; as we all know he won that one - but then went onto a rematch with SRL and quit/lost. In 1982 Duran unsuccessfully fought the great Wilfed Benitez for the WBC super welterweight strap. In 1983 Duran successfully fought Davey Moore for the WBA super welterweight strap. In the latter stage 1983 Duran unsuccessfully fought Marvin Hagler for the WBA, WBC and IBF middleweight straps. In 1984 Duran unsuccessfully fought Thomas Hearns for the WBC super welterweight strap. In 1989 Duran successfully fought Iran Barkley for the WBC middleweight strap. In the latter stage 1989 Duran unsuccessfully fought Sugar Ray Leonard for the WBC super middleweight strap. In 1994 Duran unsuccessfully fought Vinny Pazienza for the IBC super middleweight strap. In 1996 Duran unsuccessfully fought Hector Camacho for the IBC super middleweight strap. In 1998 Duran unsuccessfully fought William Joppy for the WBA middleweight strap. In 2000 Duran successfully fought Pat Lawlor for the NBA (and it was a basketball match) super middleweight strap. In 2001 Duran successfully fought Hector Camacho for the NBA super middleweight strap. Duran boxed almost 120 bouts in his career. Won 103 of them - with 70 by the short route. Lost only 16 - 4 by KO; 2 of them coming from Hearns and Joppy in the higher weights. So, whilst Duran wasn't quite as successful as Pacquaio and whilst he didn't carry his success and power in the upper-weight divisions' championship fights he campaigned in like Manny Pacquaio did; it's still a decent span of weights. Going through a guy like Duran's career to compare with Pacquaio, certainly puts into perspective how great Pacquaio's achievements are. As Pacquaio; a) Won almost all, if not all, of his championship bouts on the way up. b) Was still winning and KOing guys in (some of) the upper weights he campaigned at; if not he was still busting a lot of them up. c) Stated off at flyweight (much lower weight than Duran started off at) and (perhaps by catch weight) achieved championship status at light middleweight or super welterweight (close to the peak weights Duran campaigned in). d) Campaigned either through (skipped them on the way up) or at more weight divisions that Duran. e) Was more successful in fights and championships in each (particularly upper) weight division (than Duran) that he campaigned at.


-stormcentre :

Yes, you're probably right Amayseng; Duran is about as close as we may get to Pacquaio based on the criteria I laid out Feel a bit bad saying this about Duran though. As he is a legend. But I'm not sure Roberto carried his power - or success - up like Pacquaio; although I agree he certainly moved up through quite a lot of weights. Duran captured his first title, a lightweight title, in 1972 against Ken Buchanan. Then he appears to have held and fought for lightweight titles until 1980 when he first fought Leonard for the WBC welterweight strap; as we all know he won that one - but then went onto a rematch with SRL and quit/lost. In 1982 Duran unsuccessfully fought the great Wilfed Benitez for the WBC super welterweight strap. In 1983 Duran successfully fought Davey Moore for the WBA super welterweight strap. In the latter stage 1983 Duran unsuccessfully fought Marvin Hagler for the WBA, WBC and IBF middleweight straps. In 1984 Duran unsuccessfully fought Thomas Hearns for the WBC super welterweight strap. In 1989 Duran successfully fought Iran Barkley for the WBC middleweight strap. In the latter stage 1989 Duran unsuccessfully fought Sugar Ray Leonard for the WBC super middleweight strap. In 1994 Duran unsuccessfully fought Vinny Pazienza for the IBC super middleweight strap. In 1996 Duran unsuccessfully fought Hector Camacho for the IBC super middleweight strap. In 1998 Duran unsuccessfully fought William Joppy for the WBA middleweight strap. In 2000 Duran successfully fought Pat Lawlor for the NBA (and it was a basketball match) super middleweight strap. In 2001 Duran successfully fought Hector Camacho for the NBA super middleweight strap. Duran boxed almost 120 bouts in his career. Won 103 of them - with 70 by the short route. Lost only 16 - 4 by KO; 2 of them coming from Hearns and Joppy in the higher weights. So, whilst Duran wasn't quite as successful as Pacquaio and whilst he didn't carry his success and power in the upper-weight divisions' championship fights he campaigned in like Manny Pacquaio did; it's still a decent span of weights. Going through a guy like Duran's career to compare with Pacquaio, certainly puts into perspective how great Pacquaio's achievements are. As Pacquaio; a) Won almost all, if not all, of his championship bouts on the way up. b) Was still winning and KOing guys in (some of) the upper weights he campaigned at; if not he was still busting a lot of them up. c) Started off at flyweight (much lower weight than Duran started off at) and (perhaps by catch weight) achieved championship status at light middleweight or super welterweight (close to the peak weights Duran campaigned in) with the Margarito fight. d) Campaigned either through (skipped them on the way up) or at more weight divisions that Duran. e) Was more successful in fights and championships in each (particularly upper) weight division (than Duran) that he campaigned at.