Floyd Mayweather Can’t Win

The thing about drug addicts and alcoholics is that it’s hard to feel sorry for them. It’s not that we don’t recognize the validity of their struggle. It’s not that we don’t know their pain is real. It’s not that their disease isn’t a tangible thing. It’s that they did it to themselves.

Floyd Mayweather has put himself in a similar position. No matter what happens with a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao superfight, the undefeated 38-year-old will be hard-pressed to come away from the next few months unscathed, and he has nobody to blame but himself.

If you have a limited supply of empathy available to you, I urge you to reserve it for drug addicts and alcoholics instead. Let Mayweather stew in it. A man with as few redeemable qualities as he could use a little time alone with his thoughts.

Even those outside the confines of a typically pro-Pacquiao boxing media have grown weary of Mayweather’s tired antics. Yahoo’s Kevin Iole, who at times seems to go out of his way to give Mayweather the benefit of the doubt when it comes to fight selections and negotiations with competitors, lambasted Mayweather in his column on Tuesday.

“If Mayweather wanted it done, it would be done,” Iole wrote. “On the few occasions he chooses to speak publicly about the talks, he routinely mentions he’s the more powerful A-side in the talks. That unquestionably is true. But then he’ll bring up the nonsense that he repeatedly spews – which his fans repeat like clapping seals – that he’s the boss and Pacquiao is simply an employee of Top Rank. The insinuation is that it’s tougher to make the fight because Pacquiao doesn’t run his own promotional company, though clearly that has nothing to do with making the fight. Let’s be honest, though: If Mayweather truly were the boss, it would be his adviser, Al Haymon, who would be getting punched in the face.”

And that’s the thing about all of this: If Mayweather truly wanted to fight Pacquiao, the fight would be made. It would have been made six years ago, too. Or five. Or three. Or whenever he wanted, but it never was. And now he’s put himself in a really bad situation, one even Mayweather can’t win.

Just think about it. If Mayweather doesn’t fight Pacquiao on May 2 and ends up in the ring with either Miguel Cotto or Amir Khan, nothing he can do in those fights will really matter. He could fight and beat both on the same night, and the first question at the post-fight press conference would be about Pacquiao. All the while, HBO and former promotional partner Golden Boy will hammer his wallet by putting the proposed Canelo Alvarez vs. James Kirkland fight on the same night in competition with his precious PPV date and fight fans who have long clamored for him to face Pacquiao will revolt and be relentless in mockery of him.

Even if Mayweather does fight Pacquiao, he’s bound to lose that situation, too. Most folks consider Mayweather the favorite in the fight. The reasoning typically stated is that Mayweather is naturally larger and a fantastic counter-puncher, the latter of which he shares with Pacquiao’s great nemesis Juan Manuel Marquez. Assuming that’s how the fight plays out and Mayweather does defeat Pacquiao relatively easily, only the cringe worthy “Money Team” seals who clap for him no matter what would give Mayweather anything more than a nod.

After all, while Pacquiao has maintained elite status over the past few years, absolutely no one who watches boxing believes he is anything close to what he was as a fighter when the fight should have happened way back in 2009 or 2010. So while Mayweather would finally meet and face Pacquiao, as has been long expected of him, the mark on his record would forever have an asterisk affixed next to it with a footnote that reads ‘Yes, Mayweather defeated Pacquiao but not the one we wanted him to.’

And here’s what should be scariest to Mayweather, though he’s likely too concerned with propagating his image of power and money to realize it. Pacquiao can absolutely beat him in 2015. Oh sure, he’s not what he once was, but Mayweather hardly is either. The fleet-footed Floyd of five or six years ago would lose nary a round to a crude brawler like Marcos Maidana, and he certainly would never have gotten tagged flush on the chin so very many times over the course of two fights. Moreover, Pacquiao is absolutely the hardest fighter in the world to prepare for. It simply can’t be done. The only southpaw in the world with the speed, dexterity, power and technical skill of Pacquiao is the one he’ll face on fight night, and no matter how much he believes he’ll be ready for the absurd combination of attributes he’ll be up against on May 2, he won’t be ready for it when the bell rings. No one is. It took Marquez 36 rounds to learn all of Pacquiao’s tricks. Mayweather will have a third of that.

Pacquiao isn’t as destructive as he used to be, but he’s smarter now. He’s content to let his handspeed and aggression carry the day for him. He steps back at times when he used to push the pedal to the metal for the knockout because he’s finally realized that judges like his style of fighting just about better than any other out there. Pacquiao doesn’t have to knock Mayweather out to win the fight. He simply has to move forward and out-throw him, and it’s almost certain he will.

So while it doesn’t really matter for him, don’t be surprised if Mayweather fights Pacquiao on May 2. Don’t be surprised if he’s made a huge favorite, too. But when the fight is over and judges award a close decision to Pacquiao, when Mayweather’s face turns to a scornful scowl as his undefeated record at long last falls by the wayside to the one man his gilded legacy couldn’t afford a blemish against, don’t be surprised of that outcome either.

Remember, too, one magnificent oddity about the situation when it’s all said and done: whatever path he chose and whatever outcome unfolded for him, Floyd Mayweather couldn’t win.

And he did it to himself.

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COMMENTS

-stormcentre :

Hmmm . . . . interesting piece. Im not completely sure about the . . . .""the only southpaw in the world with the speed, dexterity, power and technical skill of Pacquiao is . . . ."" part. Perhaps if a few other characteristics were added. But as it stands and is written I think Floyd will be able to pull a few available southpaw homies in, and use them as sparring partners to emulate Manny with a reasonably good degree of accuracy. What we need to know is not just if the fight is certain - but at what date and weight it is. Because that will (roughly) tell us what weight Floyd and Manny will rehydrate to and walk into the fight at. The higher the weight the better for Floyd it will be. If Floyd ends up in the ring with Cotto or Kahn on May 2nd I think the fight will matter. Particularly if that means - in the meantime - Floyd (fights Cotto and also) gets to see how Pacquaio handles a guy that can match his speed - like Kahn. If the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight happens later in the year, then that will only benefit Floyd in terms of preparation, promotion and control. If Floyd fights Cotto and the boxing world know it's a prelude to Mayweather V Pacquaio, then I can't see how the fight won't matter either. Even if Floyd doesn't ever fight Pacquaio it won't ever matter as much as people claim. As throughout boxings' history there have been many great champions that have not always been able to fight another guy in their weight that was considered their equal, and it hasn't hurt their legacy. For just one example, Roy Jones Jr, with Dariusz Michalczewski. Dariusz was considered to be one of the better light heavyweight champions around at the time of his reign. Michalczewski possessed both above average power, and also wins over Montell Griffin and Virgil Hill. He also had around 17 title defences and as such his reign was considered to be even more astonishing than Jones' domination. Jones, when asked about the fight, often cited the fact that Michalczewski fought almost exclusively out of Germany. However, Jones also refused outright to fight Dariusz abroad. Jones, reportedly, even discarded suggestions to fly Michalczewski stateside and fight him on home soil. Other greats Jones never faced were; Michael Nunn, Sven Ottke, Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Frankie Liles, Gerald McClellan. Yet Jones is often considered to be one of the best in his weight(s). This stuff has been happening all throughout boxings' history - just as often as people have been mistakenly saying . . . if Boxer "X" never fights Boxer "Y" it will forever hurt his legacy. For me the most anticipated fight Jones could have had with a genuine rival - aside from Toney - was the talk of Jones and Gerald McClellan meeting each other. Gerald McClellan was a mean mofo and had only fought at 168 no more than a few times, if that, whilst Jones campaigned there. One of those times was, tragically, against Nigel Benn; where McClellan was taken to hospital after collapsing from what appeared to be (at the time of the incident) a severe case of dehydration. Jones, whom could arguably be labelled guilty of ducking more than Mayweather, never got to fight Gerald McClellan as a result but no-one ever says it has held his legacy back. Jones also never fought Liles either, and Liles - a crafty lefty - beat him as an amateur. Jones never fought Steve Collins either. Collins was a seriously tough Irish fighter (guys I knew in Ireland gyms used to call him the "Ice Warrior") who garnered significant respect for calling Jones out and chasing him down as often as he did. At the time(s) all this happened, Jones retorted and claimed the fact that Collins didn't have a known belt and he wasn't a big name in America meant the fight was worthless. However, looking at Jones' record shows that those obstacles certainly weren't aways impediments to Jones appointing someone as his "opponent". Furthermore, even though Collins' main claim to fame was via defeating faded versions of Eubank and Benn, these accomplishments were still more than some of Jones' other opponents; Glen Kelly. So, Jones seems like a worthy target of those whom claim legacies are diminished by ducking. Finally, on the Steve Collins example, Collins actually held the WBO belt when he was calling out Jones. However, the WBO - perhaps like IBO or WBU now - really wasn't respected back then. I know the Ring magazine shunned it back then too. Who could have dreamed back then during all that high nosed shunning that that the Ring's future and new owner - Oscar - would himself make good use of the WBO sanction as he himself fought through the lighter weights and made a big name for himself Yep, unlike Floyd in most of his weights, Jones missed many of the big names at 160. As all this claimed "legacy impairment" was taking place Jones - for a great part of the time and by comparison - was effectively fighting tomato cans. Concurrently, as Jones picnicked on lesser opponents and arguably had a Balco ball, James Toney, Gerald McClellan, Julian Jackson, and Mike McCallum all fought each other. Not long after Jones beat Bernard Hopkins for the vacant middleweight title, Roy declared that he had already become too heavy for the weight. Jones then campaigned at 164-167, and then moved up to 168 not long after that. Who knows, maybe if the above-mentioned and horrible tragedy with McClellan and Benn hadn't have happened, either of them could have met up with Jones at some future point. I don't hear anyone calling Roy Jones out on his legacy. There are many other boxing greats - some that we all currently still revere as legends - that never met - or were considered to duck - their best challenges. Winner between the Mayweather and Pacquaio fight aside; I think it's going to take a little more than what is, perhaps, better described by some sand in Kevin Iole's birth canal over something petty and/or what was probably something along the lines of Floyd not making himself available when expected, for me to think Floyd is going to lose with these negotiations so much . . . that he can't win. For christs sake the dude has a guaranteed multi-million dollar purse no matter what he does and everybody (in boxing) wants (to effectively pay) him for one reason or another. When you have a guy . . . a brand like Miguel Cotto (whom many other fighters want in the same way most welterweights want a Mayweather fight) . . pulling out of a mega-fight that could quite possibly be one of Cotto's last big paydays . . over the possibility that he could fight Mayweather (a guy that clearly beat him) again . . . . . That doesn't sound like Mayweather can't win to me. What's always interesting to me is how people think a guy like Floyd really cares about what most of us think about what he does. Sure there are limits to how much he may not care. But just as there are limits (to how much he may not care) there is also an abundance of evidence to show Floyd doesn't really care, and as such he has put himself in a financial position to ensure he doesn't have to. If this were not true, and Mayweather really cared about what we think, then there would be no justification and/or need for the masses to claim; a) Floyd's career is too "managed". b) Floyd does not fight the best. Given that, from what podium would these people then stand when questioned about their claims and stance? If Floyd - in this shark-tank of boxing business - is not winning right now then I will walk East nude for 5 kilometres (or miles for the good USA folk). Peace out jungle bunnies and lovers.


-stormcentre :

Should say that when I posted my above post, Kelsey’s piece itself was published only in the forum (without any indication as to whom authored it) and not on TSS’s main page where authors are rightly given their dues. Therefore I had no idea he had authored it. Of course we’re all thick skinned in this business, but still a little politeness and courtesy doesn’t hurt either. Just thinking back to my response to Kelsey’s last piece . . . .
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?19561-The-Underappreciated-Boxing-Brilliance-of-Erislandy-Lara&p=75212&viewfull=1#post75212 And realized Kelsey may think I am on his case with that and my above-mentioned follow up. Not the case. Your thread/post is still cool even though we may disagree on some aspects of it. Keep the good stuff coming through.


-Froggy :

Great article, and I think Pacquiao will win just the way he describes it ! Effective aggression scores points, nobody does that better than Manny, great defense doesn't score points !


-stormcentre :

Great article, and I think Pacquiao will win just the way he describes it ! Effective aggression scores points, nobody does that better than Manny, great defense doesn't score points !
Good post. Most sanctions actually do allow the judge to score points for defence. But, I agree, it seems most - or many - judges prefer "effective" aggression over defence; thus creating a judging culture of not always awarding points for all a fighter does and can earn them for. Although, it's there that the discussion becomes, perhaps, philosophical - as how can aggression be effective if it is diffused by a good defence?


-deepwater2 :

Floyd style prevents excitement. In a super fight people are on the edge of their seat expecting a fight to break out. Floyd does not bring that. Even if manny doesn't land at a high rate he will be bringing in the fight. See Trinidad vs DLH. In a super fight the rules are a bit different. MP for the win at +$300.


-stormcentre :

Yes, it's interesting. I think (even) Floyd knows that if he fights Pacquaio he's not going to be able to just hang back and stay points-safe from within the "pocket". Pacquaio will bring it too much for that. At least until such times as when/if he gets popped for no defence. I actually thought Floyd's fights with Canelo, Cotto, Mosley and Hatton were entertaining. But he does have a tendency to not want to press the action and wait for the other guy to make mistakes.


-michigan400 :

I agree with the article. After 5 years the public is becoming indifferent on news regarding this non-fight. Look how much time and money has been invested into just the possibility of this fight. Think of the Peanuts cartoon guys,, as a matter of fact,, I'm gonna start referring to Floyd as "Lucy" from here on out. All Lucy wants to do is be the one holding the football and teasing you with it. Then charges you a nickel to come and talk about it with him while he tells you it's all Pig Pen's fault somehow. At this point,, he has made every boxing fan and boxing writer his Charlie "Bitch" Brown. Well Karma is a bitch, Lucy. Once you get a loss on your record you are NOBODY. Discuss that on your hot new social media app. Manny retires content with what he has done and who he is. Lucy retires being a butt hole who can only think of what they didn't get and begging for more and more attention at every chance he has. The article is spot on,, Lucy cannot win.


-pikon :

Mayweather said "I AM A RICH COWARD"..If it doesn't mean a thing to all the floydiots then they are really idiots..Half a buck (50 cents) a former Floyd Mayweather BFF said "Why would Floyd fight a hard fight when there are easy ones?".. Mayweather was only bluffing when he said in December that he wanted to fight Pacquaio on May2 at Las Vegas..Since then there is no real efforts from him to make the fight happen..He's vacationing here and there instead of negotiating with the opposite sides and the networks..Manny has agreed in principle to his demands.Why is Mayweather stalling the fight???


-The Commish :

Mayweather said "I AM A RICH COWARD"..If it doesn't mean a thing to all the floydiots then they are really idiots..Half a buck (50 cents) a former Floyd Mayweather BFF said "Why would Floyd fight a hard fight when there are easy ones?".. Mayweather was only bluffing when he said in December that he wanted to fight Pacquaio on May2 at Las Vegas..Since then there is no real efforts from him to make the fight happen..He's vacationing here and there instead of negotiating with the opposite sides and the networks..Manny has agreed in principle to his demands.Why is Mayweather stalling the fight???
Right on, Pikon. The networks are not stalling or keeping this fight from happening. Neither is Manny Pacquiao. Some blame must be put on Bob Arum. But most of the blame must be put on "Mr. A Side," $$$May. It's so true, that if he wanted the fight--really wanted it--he'd make it happen. However, he sees the fight going 12 rounds. He knows he won't be knocking Manny Pacquiao out. He can envision another fight, similar to his first match against Marcos Maidana, where his opponent assaults him and pressures him relentlessly, throwing punches non-stop for 12 straight rounds. It would not surprise him if Pacquiao outhustled him and took a close decision. Mayweather would rather his legacy show him with ZERO losses but never having faced Pacquiao than risk losing that zero in a fight against Manny. Years from now, an undefeated Mayweather can always say, "I tried to make the fight, but Pacquiao and his promoter just wouldn't sign a contract." Don't think Mayweather doesn't care about his legacy. He most certainly does. That's what has kept the fight from happening so far. But it really won't matter, as far as Mayweather's legacy is comcerned. As stormcentre pointed out, Roy Jones avoided more than one Manny Pacquiao-type opponent in his career. He conveniently avoided many. Yet, his legacy is still intact. If anything, it is being hurt more by his insistence to continue fighting, and sometimes being brutally knocked out, than it is because of the men he avoided. $$$May should just sign to fight Pacquiao and stop teasing us. Yes, it's a fight he could lose. It's also a fight he could win. Just sign the contract already! -Randy G.


-Radam G :

Lil FLoyd is smart, and doesn't want any. When it comes to Da Manny, he is strickly a pride pug, not a prizefigter. Holla!


-michigan400 :

LMAO!!
->http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/380939-adviser-baffled-by-mayweathers-announcement-about-cotto Floyd - "I will be fighting Cotto on May 2nd PPV" Cotto's advisor - "That's news to me". Boxing fans - "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"


-Radam G :

LMAO!!
->http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/380939-adviser-baffled-by-mayweathers-announcement-about-cotto Floyd - "I will be fighting Cotto on May 2nd PPV" Cotto's advisor - "That's news to me". Boxing fans - "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"
Lil Floyd is illing. And his whole Fam and team are chilling. I told you dudes that a long time ago. Money May is funning now. And he doesn't give a rat's arse what anyone thinks. Dude is MADLY paid and is always getting laid. He is on a high horse and a high wall. But he is no Humpty Dumpty. And he will not have a great fall. He has you guys at his call. And he will keep makink a big, big fool outta yall. Holla!


-michigan400 :

Well they pulled that down quick!! It's gone now. Just more random bs from Lucy.


-michigan400 :

Lucy put it on the new app he's promoting. All I did was laugh, at the BS he is posting. But if it were true it would not be a surprise, because his testicles are very small in size!! It's not that Cotto is a bad choice, it's just Lucy refuses to hear the fans voice. How's those rhymes Radam?? :)


-stormcentre :

Wow . . not much love for poor old Floyd here on this thread. ;(


-SamuraiSam :

Wow . . not much love for poor old Floyd here on this thread. ;(
Most readers see, accepted & support the TRUTH in the article. Your initial long-winded defense of Floyd ended with you calling us "Jungle Bunnies." In my 'hood, if you used such a racist rant to our face, you'd end up in the hospital's ICU, if not the morgue. 'Nuff said.


-Radam G :

Lucy put it on the new app he's promoting. All I did was laugh, at the BS he is posting. But if it were true it would not be a surprise, because his testicles are very small in size!! It's not that Cotto is a bad choice, it's just Lucy refuses to hear the fans voice. How's those rhymes Radam?? :)
SOLID as a rock! Money May has cowardice on LOCK! He's such a tiny c0ck. And he's deliverly running out the clock. Holla!


-Radam G :

Most readers see, accepted & support the TRUTH in the article. Your initial long-winded defense of Floyd ended with you calling us "Jungle Bunnies." In my 'hood, if you used such a racist rant to our face, you'd end up in the hospital's ICU, if not the morgue. 'Nuff said.
Who is "us?" And since when did that phrase become "racist" in any hood? Why? Politically correct sensitivity is destroy the fabric of jiving and conniving and high fiving in the boksing hood. Pretty soon it will be taboo to said any animal phrase. You probably have to refer to ev'ybodee and dey momma by proper names and numbers. I'm Radam G sorry dat like a dawg I pi$$ed on a tree. Hehehe! Holla!


-michigan400 :

Wow . . not much love for poor old Floyd here on this thread. ;(
I don't actually hate the man,,, and I also don't think Cotto would be a "bad" choice,,, it's just that Manny is still fighting and active so why fight Cotto again. Beating him would not mean much,, he's already done it. Loosing to him would seal the deal that he and Manny will never fight. A loss on Floyds record will ruin him in public perception and demand to see his fights. He will no longer be "the" PPV star. Then he's just another aging, and kinda boring technical fighter. Plenty of them around now not getting any attention. It's not that Floyd fights bad guys or cab drivers,, they just aren't who most people want to see him fight and it's annoying as hell. Cotto, Marquez, Hatton, Canelo and to lesser extents Ghost, Judah and Maidana are all rock solid guys who can fight their *** off. If Manny was not an active boxer, I would have nothing to complain about regarding who he fights. That's my position anyway. I don't hate any of these guys even if I bust on them a little here and there.


-Radam G :

The great Aaron Pryor -- the greatest light welterweight of all times -- said that Lil Floyd is not equip to handle Da Manny. I second the words of this great Afro-Asian Amerkano. Holla!


-SamuraiSam :

Who is "us?" And since when did that phrase become "racist" in any hood? Why? Politically correct sensitivity is destroy the fabric of jiving and conniving and high fiving in the boksing hood. Pretty soon it will be taboo to said any animal phrase. You probably have to refer to ev'ybodee and dey momma by proper names and numbers. I'm Radam G sorry dat like a dawg I pi$$ed on a tree. Hehehe! Holla!
My bad?I didn?t clarify that ?us? was in reference to the circle of friends I?m acquainted with who shared this article. So I was just speaking in general, from my own experiences and opinions of the partners from my ?hood. My homies consider that term racist, similar to calling people ?monkeys? or ?gorillas.? I didn?t stop to consider that maybe it was acceptable here, maybe like the brothers calling each other ?niggah,? and to the members here in this ?boksing hood? it?s just a term of endearment. I apologize to the regular long time members of this forum for the impulsive reply I made. I didn?t stop to consider that maybe such animal references is an acceptable part of the culture here, and it?s just all part of the fun, fraternizing, ball-busting ?jiving & conniving? that goes on around here. I stand corrected. I?m sorry for not spending enough time here learning the culture before I jump in to the conversations. But I still stand by my claim that in my demographic/geographic area calling someone a Jungle Bunny to their face is like calling them a monkey or gorilla, and there will be consequences, no matter what Radam claims about knowing every existing ?hood in this world. Radam, no need to apologize about where you p1ss. From my personal experience and observation, I?ve seen how it could be culturally acceptable, from the remotest barangay to the big city, for pinoys to p1ss wherever it?s convenient? whether it?s a tree in the boonies or the side of a wall in a busy Metro Manila street. But please don?t presume you know what the culture is like in every ?hood in this world, and particularly mine. Peace out, bro.


-Dkintaudi :

Espinoza has continuously said that Mayweather isn't holding up the fight. I've even posted two articles below for reference. Yet some idiots, who probably believe in a flat earth society, insist on blaming Mayweather. It'll be interesting what rocks these fools will hide under if and when the fight is actually made and if/when Mayweather defeats Manny. I think Mayweather will win, but would not be surprised if Manny gets the judges decision and wins the fight. Manny won't knock Mayweather out, and I see no way Mayweather knocks out Manny...it will go to the decision.
->http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/stephen-espinoza-talks-mayweather-pacquiao-nobody-is-ducking-anybody/
->http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/1/26/7907769/stephen-espinoza-arum-not-being-truthful


-Froggy :

Espinoza has continuously said that Mayweather isn't holding up the fight. I've even posted two articles below for reference. Yet some idiots, who probably believe in a flat earth society, insist on blaming Mayweather. It'll be interesting what rocks these fools will hide under if and when the fight is actually made and if/when Mayweather defeats Manny. I think Mayweather will win, but would not be surprised if Manny gets the judges decision and wins the fight. Manny won't knock Mayweather out, and I see no way Mayweather knocks out Manny...it will go to the decision.
->http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/stephen-espinoza-talks-mayweather-pacquiao-nobody-is-ducking-anybody/
->http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/1/26/7907769/stephen-espinoza-arum-not-being-truthful
Idiots who believe in a Flat Earth Society ? There is a "Flat Earth Society ", what's not to believe ? I am not under any rock, and hope the fight is made, but the guy who delayed it will lose !


-amayseng :

I have said this for years, both that if Floyd wanted it then it would have happened already. And second, Pac beats Floyd on activity and ring generalship alone if he isn't landing hard and busting him up. You can not pot shot Pac once for every 7-8 punches he throws at you even if he lands one.


-amayseng :

My bad…I didn’t clarify that “us” was in reference to the circle of friends I’m acquainted with who shared this article. So I was just speaking in general, from my own experiences and opinions of the partners from my ‘hood. My homies consider that term racist, similar to calling people “monkeys” or “gorillas.” I didn’t stop to consider that maybe it was acceptable here, maybe like the brothers calling each other “niggah,” and to the members here in this “boksing hood” it’s just a term of endearment. I apologize to the regular long time members of this forum for the impulsive reply I made. I didn’t stop to consider that maybe such animal references is an acceptable part of the culture here, and it’s just all part of the fun, fraternizing, ball-busting “jiving & conniving” that goes on around here. I stand corrected. I’m sorry for not spending enough time here learning the culture before I jump in to the conversations. But I still stand by my claim that in my demographic/geographic area calling someone a Jungle Bunny to their face is like calling them a monkey or gorilla, and there will be consequences, no matter what Radam claims about knowing every existing ‘hood in this world. Radam, no need to apologize about where you p1ss. From my personal experience and observation, I’ve seen how it could be culturally acceptable, from the remotest barangay to the big city, for pinoys to p1ss wherever it’s convenient… whether it’s a tree in the boonies or the side of a wall in a busy Metro Manila street. But please don’t presume you know what the culture is like in every ‘hood in this world, and particularly mine. Peace out, bro.
No one on this site, that is a legitimate part of this forum is racist.... You can go back months and years and there are no racist arguments or accusations among any of us here. No need to be throwing that card around here


-deepwater2 :

Espinoza is not objective. He takes selfies with Floyd and he does as he is told. If the fight does not get made I am sure Moonves will fire Espinoza and going forward he will be part of the PBJ show.


-SamuraiSam :

Espinoza has continuously said that Mayweather isn't holding up the fight. I've even posted two articles below for reference. Yet some idiots, who probably believe in a flat earth society, insist on blaming Mayweather. It'll be interesting what rocks these fools will hide under if and when the fight is actually made and if/when Mayweather defeats Manny. I think Mayweather will win, but would not be surprised if Manny gets the judges decision and wins the fight. Manny won't knock Mayweather out, and I see no way Mayweather knocks out Manny...it will go to the decision.
->http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/stephen-espinoza-talks-mayweather-pacquiao-nobody-is-ducking-anybody/
->http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/1/26/7907769/stephen-espinoza-arum-not-being-truthful
I laugh to myself whenever I see comments like this?the pot calling the kettle black. I?ll try not to make it too painful for you to look into a mirror & realize who is the idiot. First of all, your links point to articles by Chris Williams and Wil Esco. That?s just as unbiased & trustworthy as finding all the truth you need to know from Floyd?s trusted news outlet FightHype/FloydHype.com. LOL Here?s the latest irony I find from FloydHype?and I?m just waiting to see them make a retraction to deny their initial pronouncement. On February 09, 2015, David Kassel pompously trumpets his article entitled: OBSERVE AND FIGHT: THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE
->http://fighthype.com/news/article19284.html He proceeds to inform the FloydHype minions: "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports is reporting that there is an internal rift amongst major players at Top Rank Promotions. According to Iole, who is one of the most respected journalists and writers in the world, and whose opinion is as valued and impartial as anyone's in boxing, has stated that Top Rank President Todd DuBoef is "irate" and cannot control the comments of Arum, his stepfather, when talking to the media. Hopefully, now people will start to realize that Fighthype is not "Floydhype" and Fighthype does not report any information that is not factual." On February 10, 2015, Kevin Iole releases the article titled: How times haven?t changed: Money May remains biggest obstacle for Pacman fight
->http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-times-haven-t-changed--money-may-remains-biggest-obstacle-for-pacman-fight-155723126.html I won't copy/paste the relevant passages from the article. The FloydHype minions can't accuse me of putting things out of context. Ya'll can read it for yourselves...and weep while eating that Freedom Crow. 'Nuff said.


-SamuraiSam :

No one on this site, that is a legitimate part of this forum is racist.... You can go back months and years and there are no racist arguments or accusations among any of us here. No need to be throwing that card around here
I?m not playing any race card here. Did I even accuse stormcentre of being racist? I simply replied with my opinion of why he doesn?t see any ?love? given to Floyd similar to his love professed in comment #2, and I stated that his closing would strike a nerve with people in certain neighborhoods. To me, that long-winded reply seemed to have an angry and defensive tone, and my hunch was verified when his comment #3 was all a back-handed and unstated apology & excuse for not realizing it was Kelsey who elicited his initial response, after which he seemed conciliatory. So, not knowing the culture around here and sensing an angry/defensive tone in his post, I simply stated that what I apparently mistook as an angry closing is taken as an insult by certain demographics. My bad. Is the use of ?jungle bunnies? similar to saying, ?Peace out, niggahs? around here? Like I said, I?m sorry for not knowing what the accepted ?jiving & conniving? vocabulary is around here. Maybe you can educate me on what the definition of jungle bunnies is for ya?ll. It?s apparently different from what my ?hood knows. And while you?re at it, if you can tell me what other terms that others might find offensive, but which the culture in this forum accepts as good-natured jiving & conniving, you can save me a lot of time in searching the archives to compile a list of your acceptable vocabulary words that shouldn?t be misconstrued as racist. I?d appreciate your help tremendously. I?ll do my best to try to learn & fit in with your culture. Thanks a lot. Peace out, Jungle Bunny.


-stormcentre :

Most readers see, accepted & support the TRUTH in the article. Your initial long-winded defense of Floyd ended with you calling us "Jungle Bunnies." In my 'hood, if you used such a racist rant to our face, you'd end up in the hospital's ICU, if not the morgue. 'Nuff said.
Appreciate your take on things but . . . do you know what a jungle bunny is - or how I meant the term? For now, I will ignore your ICU and hospital claims. As they really have no place here. :cool:


-stormcentre :

Idiots who believe in a Flat Earth Society ? There is a "Flat Earth Society ", what's not to believe ? I am not under any rock, and hope the fight is made, but the guy who delayed it will lose !
Isn't the earth flat? I thought if you sailed too far you fell off . . . down to what I don't know. Don Kings snake pit perhaps? :cool:


-stormcentre :

I?m not playing any race card here. Did I even accuse stormcentre of being racist? I simply replied with my opinion of why he doesn?t see any ?love? given to Floyd similar to his love professed in comment #2, and I stated that his closing would strike a nerve with people in certain neighborhoods. To me, that long-winded reply seemed to have an angry and defensive tone, and my hunch was verified when his comment #3 was all a back-handed and unstated apology & excuse for not realizing it was Kelsey who elicited his initial response, after which he seemed conciliatory. So, not knowing the culture around here and sensing an angry/defensive tone in his post, I simply stated that what I apparently mistook as an angry closing is taken as an insult by certain demographics. My bad. Is the use of ?jungle bunnies? similar to saying, ?Peace out, niggahs? around here? Like I said, I?m sorry for not knowing what the accepted ?jiving & conniving? vocabulary is around here. Maybe you can educate me on what the definition of jungle bunnies is for ya?ll. It?s apparently different from what my ?hood knows. And while you?re at it, if you can tell me what other terms that others might find offensive, but which the culture in this forum accepts as good-natured jiving & conniving, you can save me a lot of time in searching the archives to compile a list of your acceptable vocabulary words that shouldn?t be misconstrued as racist. I?d appreciate your help tremendously. I?ll do my best to try to learn & fit in with your culture. Thanks a lot. Peace out, Jungle Bunny.
You got quite a few things wrong SamuraiSam. There was no anger in what I wrote. And there was no apology in my post #2. More to the point was the fact that I, and a few others, disagreed on some points about Lara that the author made in his previous article, and had I know the same author had written the post/thread we're talking about I would have probably tempered what I wrote a little more so he didn't mistake matters as you clearly did. There are other matters you have wrong, and some are also inappropriate. Nevertheless, despite how I could go into them all . . . I won't because - as you say or infer - you jumped in without really knowing what goes down and the overall culture here. Plus you were man enough to apologize. Let's move on. :cool:


-stormcentre :

I laugh to myself whenever I see comments like this?the pot calling the kettle black. I?ll try not to make it too painful for you to look into a mirror & realize who is the idiot. First of all, your links point to articles by Chris Williams and Wil Esco. That?s just as unbiased & trustworthy as finding all the truth you need to know from Floyd?s trusted news outlet FightHype/FloydHype.com. LOL Here?s the latest irony I find from FloydHype?and I?m just waiting to see them make a retraction to deny their initial pronouncement. On February 09, 2015, David Kassel pompously trumpets his article entitled: OBSERVE AND FIGHT: THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE
->http://fighthype.com/news/article19284.html He proceeds to inform the FloydHype minions: "Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports is reporting that there is an internal rift amongst major players at Top Rank Promotions. According to Iole, who is one of the most respected journalists and writers in the world, and whose opinion is as valued and impartial as anyone's in boxing, has stated that Top Rank President Todd DuBoef is "irate" and cannot control the comments of Arum, his stepfather, when talking to the media. Hopefully, now people will start to realize that Fighthype is not "Floydhype" and Fighthype does not report any information that is not factual." On February 10, 2015, Kevin Iole releases the article titled: How times haven?t changed: Money May remains biggest obstacle for Pacman fight
->http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-times-haven-t-changed--money-may-remains-biggest-obstacle-for-pacman-fight-155723126.html I won't copy/paste the relevant passages from the article. The FloydHype minions can't accuse me of putting things out of context. Ya'll can read it for yourselves...and weep while eating that Freedom Crow. 'Nuff said.
Nice post. One thing though . . .there are literally hundreds or thousands of sports and boxing writers in the world. Kevin Iole may indeed be one of them. However, whether he really is "one the most respected journalists and writers in the world" is up for debate. Not in the least as there are so many that are far, far, better (perhaps even more valued) than we don't even (regularly) hear of; Hugh Mcilvanney, for instance - or even some of the writers on this site. Another thing; in or amongst boxings' ivory towers there is almost always an internal power struggle and/or rift going on. They are practically annual occurrences for various reasons.


-stormcentre :

I don't actually hate the man,,, and I also don't think Cotto would be a "bad" choice,,, it's just that Manny is still fighting and active so why fight Cotto again. Beating him would not mean much,, he's already done it. Loosing to him would seal the deal that he and Manny will never fight. A loss on Floyds record will ruin him in public perception and demand to see his fights. He will no longer be "the" PPV star. Then he's just another aging, and kinda boring technical fighter. Plenty of them around now not getting any attention. It's not that Floyd fights bad guys or cab drivers,, they just aren't who most people want to see him fight and it's annoying as hell. Cotto, Marquez, Hatton, Canelo and to lesser extents Ghost, Judah and Maidana are all rock solid guys who can fight their *** off. If Manny was not an active boxer, I would have nothing to complain about regarding who he fights. That's my position anyway. I don't hate any of these guys even if I bust on them a little here and there.
Yep - fair call Michigan400. I was kind of joking around with my "no love for Floyd" comment anyway. It's obvious he polarizes a lot of people either way. My take on the play of things is this . . . . . . If Floyd knows the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight will almost be an impossibility to have all promoted and sewn up by May 2015 then - to me - it makes perfect financial sense for him to arrange for a backup plan, and fight Cotto again. Cotto is a dependable PPV brand. Also, Floyd - in his mind - knows he can beat Miguel. Despite some of the successes Cotto had when he first fought Floyd, I think it was pretty clear that Floyd is better than Miguel in ways that Miguel will have issues surmounting a second time around. Add to all that, Floyd surely must know that Cotto is not getting (much) better. Let's face it, Cotto's style isn't changing much now and for a guy like Floyd, Miguel is - despite how tough he is - reasonably predictable. Plus, Cotto hasn't gone 12 rounds with a top level guy for a while, and Floyd is in good championship form in that and other respects. Aside from another top level lefty - and there are not too many guys Floyd can fight (not spar) before Pacman that emulate him - I think Cotto would be a reasonably good warm-up fight for Mayweather to go into a Pacquaio fight with, and one that Floyd and Co would know will pull in PPV sales. It's not like a rematch with the Ghost will do all that for Floyd (I know you're not suggesting that :) ). There is - as hinted at above - also the fact that a Mayweather V2 Cotto fight is almost a guaranteed PPV sellout, so Floyd and all those that profit from him are happy; all whilst Mayweather V Pacquaio gets (possibly) made. Gotta keep Showtime happy, and Cotto - from a network and promotional perspective - is pretty much a free agent. So . . . hopefully, there are no extreme complications (for all involved, as they, also, simultaneously deal with the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight's negotiation and legalities) as there is with the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight. A lot of people, I think, may not realize what's involved in engineering a back up plan for Showtime and Floyd if MayPac can't get made in May 2015. The back-up plan itself has to be (relatively) straightforward in order for MayPac activities to continue concurrently. And with a possible Mayweather V2 Cotto backup plan/fight, all; contacts, advisers, promoters, and probably venues, have more or less been down exactly the same path before for exactly the same reason; this ensures certainty and makes it all that much easier. And investors (like Showtime) love certainty and returns. Let's say the Mayweather V2 Cotto fight takes place and Floyd wins; which is not entirely off the cards. That then places Floyd - contractually - in a position where he only has . . . I think . one more fight (does anyone know if it's one or 2?) to fulfill his Showtime contract. Let's say it's one more. This (if Mayweather V Pacquaio becomes the last fight in Floyd's above-mentioned contract) then, in turn, increases the chances that any Mayweather V2 Pacquaio rematch occurs off the current Showtime contract. Which will surely net Floyd (even) more. Even if any Mayweather V2 Pacquaio rematch doesn't occur off the current Showtime contract; any Mayweather V2 Pacquaio rematch is still good business and a Mayweather V Cotto in the meantime still makes sense and means Floyd (financially and safety-wise) wins. After all (money/risk wise), it's not like we're lining Floyd up with 3G at light middleweight in May 2015 because Mayweather V Pacquaio cant be sewn up by then. That, to me, based on Floyd's interests and risk profile, is both a possibility and more of a "Mayweather can't win" proposal. Now, the chances that Mayweather V1 Pacquaio ends with a points decision is - in my opinion - pretty high. Same for the public's appetite for a rematch. I think Floyd does want Mayweather V Pacquaio, but he also; a) Knows that it's a hard slog to expect it will all be tied up by May 2015. b) He can't make the fight happen all by himself. None of this means that he (or Pacquaio/Arum) has not previously been responsible for the fight not happening.


-stormcentre :

I don't actually hate the man,,, and I also don't think Cotto would be a "bad" choice,,, it's just that Manny is still fighting and active so why fight Cotto again. Beating him would not mean much,, he's already done it. Loosing to him would seal the deal that he and Manny will never fight. A loss on Floyds record will ruin him in public perception and demand to see his fights. He will no longer be "the" PPV star. Then he's just another aging, and kinda boring technical fighter. Plenty of them around now not getting any attention. It's not that Floyd fights bad guys or cab drivers,, they just aren't who most people want to see him fight and it's annoying as hell. Cotto, Marquez, Hatton, Canelo and to lesser extents Ghost, Judah and Maidana are all rock solid guys who can fight their *** off. If Manny was not an active boxer, I would have nothing to complain about regarding who he fights. That's my position anyway. I don't hate any of these guys even if I bust on them a little here and there.
Yep - fair call Michigan400. I was kind of joking around with my "no love for Floyd" comment anyway. It's obvious he polarizes a lot of people either way. My take on the play of things is this . . . . . . If Floyd knows the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight will almost be an impossibility to have all promoted and sewn up by May 2015 then - to me - it makes perfect financial sense for him to arrange for a backup plan, and fight Cotto again. Cotto is a dependable PPV brand. Also, Floyd - in his mind - knows he can beat Miguel. Despite some of the successes Cotto had when he first fought Floyd, I think it was pretty clear that Floyd is better than Miguel in ways that Miguel will have issues surmounting a second time around. Add to all that, Floyd surely must know that Cotto is not getting (much) better. Let's face it, Cotto's style isn't changing much now and for a guy like Floyd, Miguel is - despite how tough he is - reasonably predictable. Plus, Cotto hasn't gone 12 rounds with a top level guy for a while, and Floyd is in good championship form in that and other respects. Aside from another top level lefty - and there are not too many guys Floyd can fight (not spar) before Pacman that emulate him - I think Cotto would be a reasonably good warm-up fight for Mayweather to go into a Pacquaio fight with, and one that Floyd and Co would know will pull in PPV sales. It's not like a rematch with the Ghost will do all that for Floyd (I know you're not suggesting that :) ). There is - as hinted at above - also the fact that a Mayweather V2 Cotto fight is almost a guaranteed PPV sellout, so Floyd and all those that profit from him are happy; all whilst Mayweather V Pacquaio gets (possibly) made. Gotta keep Showtime happy, and Cotto - from a network and promotional perspective - is pretty much a free agent. So . . . hopefully, there are no extreme complications (for all involved, as they, also, simultaneously deal with the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight's negotiation and legalities) in putting together a Mayweather V2 Cotto bout and backup plan - as there seems to be with the Mayweather V Pacquaio fight. A lot of people, I think, may not realize what's involved in engineering a back up plan for Showtime and Floyd if MayPac can't get made in May 2015. The back-up plan itself has to be (relatively) straightforward in order for MayPac activities to continue concurrently. And with a possible Mayweather V2 Cotto backup plan/fight, all; contacts, advisers, promoters, and probably venues, have more or less been down exactly the same path before for exactly the same reason; this ensures certainty and makes it all that much easier. And investors (like Showtime) love certainty and returns. Let's say the Mayweather V2 Cotto fight takes place and Floyd wins; which is not entirely off the cards. That then places Floyd - contractually - in a position where he only has . . . I think . one more fight (does anyone know if it's one or 2?) to fulfill his Showtime contract. Let's say it's one more. This (if Mayweather V Pacquaio becomes the last fight in Floyd's above-mentioned contract) then, in turn, increases the chances that any Mayweather V2 Pacquaio rematch occurs off the current Showtime contract. Which will surely net Floyd (even) more. Even if any Mayweather V2 Pacquaio rematch doesn't occur off the current Showtime contract; any Mayweather V2 Pacquaio rematch is not only still good business - but a Mayweather V2 Cotto fight in the meantime still makes sense for the above reasons, plus it most likely also means Floyd (financially and safety-wise) wins. After all (money/risk wise), it's not like we're lining Floyd up with 3G at light middleweight in May 2015 because Mayweather V Pacquaio cant be sewn up by then. That, to me, based on Floyd's interests and risk profile, is both a possibility and more of a "Mayweather can't win" proposal. Of course some may say that none of the talk about a Mayweather V2 Pacquaio fight matters if the first fight is a conclusive loss to Mayweather; because then his record will not be undefeated. However, even though I don't agree with the fact that, if Floyd lost to Pacquaio the first time around (or vice/versa), there would be no market/demand for a rematch; realistically the chances that Mayweather V1 Pacquaio ends with a points decision is - in my opinion - pretty high. Therefore, no matter which way we look at it, same for the public's appetite for a rematch (and therefore any of the above promotional, network, and other considerations that surely must entertain that possibility). Personally, I think Floyd does want Mayweather V Pacquaio. But I think - since he has done these big PPV fights a lot - he also; a) Knows that it's a hard slog to expect it will all be tied up by May 2015. b) He can't make the fight happen all by himself. None of this means that he (or Pacquaio/Arum) has not previously been responsible for the fight not happening though.


-SamuraiSam :

Appreciate your take on things but . . . do you know what a jungle bunny is - or how I meant the term? For now, I will ignore your ICU and hospital claims. As they really have no place here. :cool:
Hey stormcentre, thanks for being magnanimous in your tolerance and understanding. After reading your replies here and in comments #32 & #33, I've gained an understanding of where you're coming from. My apologies for the disrespect, especially now that I see how you're a respected moderator here...LOL. You're a huge contrast to the other moderators I've seen in other forums (e.g.--The Reed at BoxingScene, who'd ban posters who disagree or **** him off), and you've got a higher level of intelligence & class compared to them. Sorry I learned that too late, letting the prior negative experience of other moderators color my attitude prior to coming here. Yes, please do ignore that last line I wrote. I didn't mean to write "YOU," like I'm threatening you directly & personally. What I meant and should have written is "A PERSON' (any person) in general, someone/anyone who would be foolish enough to say those words in my 'hood...and I know you have more class than to do that. Since amayseng hasn't gotten back to me yet...YES, please do educate me on what Jungle Bunny means to the fraternity of the SweetScience "boksing hood." It's obviously & embarrassingly apparent that I didn't know how you meant the term. Like they say, knowledge is power, and the information may help me learn how to fit in and get along here with no misunderstanding. Thanks.


-SamuraiSam :

You got quite a few things wrong SamuraiSam. There was no anger in what I wrote. And there was no apology in my post #2. More to the point was the fact that I, and a few others, disagreed on some points about Lara that the author made in his previous article, and had I know the same author had written the post/thread we're talking about I would have probably tempered what I wrote a little more so he didn't mistake matters as you clearly did. There are other matters you have wrong, and some are also inappropriate. Nevertheless, despite how I could go into them all . . . I won't because - as you say or infer - you jumped in without really knowing what goes down and the overall culture here. Plus you were man enough to apologize. Let's move on. :cool:
With all due respect, there is a noticeable difference in tone between comments #2 & #3. That's why I honestly did "mistake matters" as you say. The tone of #3 seemed apologetic, but I didn't see the word "sorry" or "apologize," so I jumped to the conclusion I did about comment #3. Sorry. Anyway, water under the bridge...agreed, let's move on.


-SamuraiSam :

Nice post. One thing though . . .there are literally hundreds or thousands of sports and boxing writers in the world. Kevin Iole may indeed be one of them. However, whether he really is "one the most respected journalists and writers in the world" is up for debate. Not in the least as there are so many that are far, far, better (perhaps even more valued) than we don't even (regularly) hear of; Hugh Mcilvanney, for instance - or even some of the writers on this site. Another thing; in or amongst boxings' ivory towers there is almost always an internal power struggle and/or rift going on. They are practically annual occurrences for various reasons.
Wow, I'm honored to finally make a post that meets your approval...LOL. Thanks. Glad to know I'm on the right track. Yes, I understand what you're saying about Kevin Iole...I know there are more prestigiously respectable writers out there. My point was to dig at FloydHype and Floyd's typical minions like Dkintaudi who are quick to call others "idiots" and other names. They'll praise someone (in this case, Iole) to high heaven when their opinion supports their agenda, then dog & disown them when their opinion becomes critical and exposes the truth, even after previously vouching for their integrity. The irony of the two conflicting articles and the ensuing flip-flop from one day to the next is amusing to me.


-stormcentre :

Yep (to all your new posts) it's all cool. I knew we'd get to this point in 2 or 3 more posts. Jungle Bunny has a few meanings. It (and I am) never racial. But mostly they're just those wild sometimes clueless rabbits running through the jungle not really knowing what's happening, if they're brave or scared, or even if they're scared of the sound of their own paws crunching leaves. And that jungle-wild analogy applies to all of us "Jungle Bunnies" that are as above and also caught in the spotlight when it comes to the MayPac farce-ation (farce-ation = farce + sensation). Anyway it's nice to know you're not sending me to the IC or morgue unit of some hospital; as I am a delicate man. :) Finally, forget BoxingScene. Sure, it's one of the great internet boxing delicatessens pimping itself out on pop up ads wherever possible; unique?. And, yes it's good for a quick update-fix; Krispy Kreme donuts?. But quality counts. And on that count here is where it's at; top down - from the guys that run the web-show, to the guys that report onsite and write real tight - right down to all the cool (but knowledgeable) cats on this forum; there aint no boredom. Better stop otherwise MMRG will revoke his (or my) poetic license on me. Welcome.


-Skibbz :

I disagree Storm that if Floyd beats Pac there won't be demand for a rematch. You're telling me the Phillipines won't want revenge IF that outcome happens? RG where are you??


-The Shadow :

Wow, I'm honored to finally make a post that meets your approval...LOL. Thanks. Glad to know I'm on the right track. Yes, I understand what you're saying about Kevin Iole...I know there are more prestigiously respectable writers out there. My point was to dig at FloydHype and Floyd's typical minions like Dkintaudi who are quick to call others "idiots" and other names. They'll praise someone (in this case, Iole) to high heaven when their opinion supports their agenda, then dog & disown them when their opinion becomes critical and exposes the truth, even after previously vouching for their integrity. The irony of the two conflicting articles and the ensuing flip-flop from one day to the next is amusing to me.
I don't mind your post. One of the most damning pieces of evidence of racism is the denial of its existence. If anything, you simply shared what you felt and created a dialogue. FloydHype? Really? The piece you're referring to was an opinion piece by a columnist. Other than that, editorially speaking -- strictly journalistically -- they are actually one of the most unbiased outlets out there, though they don't claim to be journalists. Reason being is that they do 90% Q&As, which is directly transcribed interviews. And they did pul a journalistic touchdown when they caught Michael Koncz and Bob Arum lying -- and got him to admit to it on the record. Fighters respect them because they let them speak without having "words twisted," as they say. As a professionally trained journalist one of the techniques used is that you do an interview and you can literally rearrange quotes in your piece as you choose. For instance, in traditional journalism, you have a lead (first paragraph) and a nut graph (the graph that tells you what the story is about) often followed by a quote (often what is referred to as the "money quote", which doesn't have to be the first thing the interview subject said -- merely the thing that had the most "oomph." In FightHype's defense, they do strictly Q&As, which means the answers are transcribed directly and presented exactly as the conversation took place. Furthermore, this format makes it impossible to make loaded transitional paragraphs like other "award-winning journalists" do ""Pacquiao has conceded to every Mayweather demand..."" -- EM knows this since he's one of the few responsible/empathic guys out there -- and other foolery. I think they got that name because they publish factual information that contradicts popular opinion. In that realm, it makes them appear biased. Add to the exclusive access to Mayweather and it starts to look a certain way. But none of their coverage of this has been proven incorrect. It's funny, once I saw Koncz on the record with their editor admitting to LYING, people started saying "oh, he just made that up." A Q&A? Transcribed interview? I don't people realize how illegal that sh*t is...It's laughable how people are unable to separate fact from fiction and emotion. Some of the stuff they've reported (that people allege is biased towards Mayweather) I personally know for a fact FIRSTHAND is true. Ain't nobody trying to hear this, but I know how Top Rank rips off poor Manny Pacquiao through "sponsorship revenues." (Zero dollars? Really?) Ain't nobody trying to hear about REAL violations of the Ali act. (Zero dollars? Really?) Ain't nobody trying to hear about the mysterious emails that was sent back and forth listing the penalty in the event of a dirty test. Ain't nobody trying to hear about the counter draft that was sent requesting concealing the request for cover-ups. Ain't nobody trying to hear the public damage control strategy that was implemented once said request was categorically refused. Ain't nobody trying to hear about the REAL media agendas and axes to grind out there; some people had no idea even existed. Ain't nobody trying to hear about the subsequent diversion/vilification strategy masterfully implemented by the most masterful of men, which even pocketed a seven-figure fee for good measure. #boss When it comes to the negotiations -- and these are the FACTS -- there's one lead promoter. That presents a problem. When it comes to the negotiations -- and these are the facts -- opening the books is required. That presents a problem. When it comes to negotiations, there are entities accustomed to control now in position to ask for little. That presents a problem. When it comes to negotiations, there are issues of production that rub people the wrong way. And when it comes to negotiations -- and this is an unequivocal truth -- the margins are simply not there. The revenues -- "$400 MILLION, $750 MILLION, $2,432 TRILLION" -- may look impressive but the profits for one of the principals are relatively pathetic. (Especially when you can gross nine figures and KEEP nine figures (hint: site fee) for four fights.) It reminds me of this company called "Skullduggery." They had million dollar revenues. But zero profits. It's not about what you rake in, it's what you keep. And that's one of the biggest misconceptions of all. The fighters want this. But they're not going to make much money sparring at the Wild Card. There are a LOT of misconceptions out there. Lots of people like to lie to others and to themselves. But contracts, facts and numbers don't.


-The Shadow :

I'm out...


-deepwater2 :

Fighthype is Floydhype because that is the website Floyd gives his exclusives to. Of course they are biased so they can keep Floyd coming back. They will not bite the hand that feeds them so of course they would never put anything up to discredit or pressure Floyd. All in all they put good videos on their site but I don't know anything about their forum. If they block people that talk smack about Floyd that is sad.


-amayseng :

I?m not playing any race card here. Did I even accuse stormcentre of being racist? I simply replied with my opinion of why he doesn?t see any ?love? given to Floyd similar to his love professed in comment #2, and I stated that his closing would strike a nerve with people in certain neighborhoods. To me, that long-winded reply seemed to have an angry and defensive tone, and my hunch was verified when his comment #3 was all a back-handed and unstated apology & excuse for not realizing it was Kelsey who elicited his initial response, after which he seemed conciliatory. So, not knowing the culture around here and sensing an angry/defensive tone in his post, I simply stated that what I apparently mistook as an angry closing is taken as an insult by certain demographics. My bad. Is the use of ?jungle bunnies? similar to saying, ?Peace out, niggahs? around here? Like I said, I?m sorry for not knowing what the accepted ?jiving & conniving? vocabulary is around here. Maybe you can educate me on what the definition of jungle bunnies is for ya?ll. It?s apparently different from what my ?hood knows. And while you?re at it, if you can tell me what other terms that others might find offensive, but which the culture in this forum accepts as good-natured jiving & conniving, you can save me a lot of time in searching the archives to compile a list of your acceptable vocabulary words that shouldn?t be misconstrued as racist. I?d appreciate your help tremendously. I?ll do my best to try to learn & fit in with your culture. Thanks a lot. Peace out, Jungle Bunny.
No apology needed. Just want you to know you don't have to come into this forum with your guard up throwing punches. It is not like that here. No one out right attacks another here. This place is built on respect. This is a place of passion, conversation and yes sure disagreements. Though it is not a place where one attacks another. There is a site for disrespectful arguing, threatening and ridiculousness...This isn't it.


-deepwater2 :

No apology needed. Just want you to know you don't have to come into this forum with your guard up throwing punches. It is not like that here. No one out right attacks another here. This place is built on respect. This is a place of passion, conversation and yes sure disagreements. Though it is not a place where one attacks another. There is a site for disrespectful arguing, threatening and ridiculousness...This isn't it.
I want to attack the Garcia vs testosterone non title 10 round exhibition match where both guys will still be belt holders even if they knock each other out. Its a damn shame for boxing this is happening.


-amayseng :

I want to attack the Garcia vs testosterone non title 10 round exhibition match where both guys will still be belt holders even if they knock each other out. Its a damn shame for boxing this is happening.
Agreed, but at this point I am use to it. That in itself is sad.


-stormcentre :

I disagree Storm that if Floyd beats Pac there won't be demand for a rematch. You're telling me the Phillipines won't want revenge IF that outcome happens? RG where are you??
I think you read my (loaded) sentence the wrong way Skibbz. ""Of course some may say that none of the talk about a Mayweather V2 Pacquaio fight matters if the first fight is a conclusive loss to Mayweather; because then his record will not be undefeated. However, even though I don't agree with the fact that, if Floyd lost to Pacquaio the first time around (or vice/versa), there would be no market/demand for a rematch; realistically the chances that Mayweather V1 Pacquaio ends with a points decision is - in my opinion - pretty high."" I/it actually means - in my opinion - there probably will be a rematch. I'm saying (albeit in a round about way and/or long-winded fashion {I can't help myself; sorry}) that I don't agree that there will be no demand for a rematch. Sorry for the confusion. :cool:


-Radam G :

The great Aaron Pryor -- the greatest light welterweight of all times -- said that Lil Floyd is not equip to handle Da Manny. I second the words of this great Afro-Asian Amerkano. Holla!
I guess so that Money May cannot win. Holla at what Hulkquez's trainer is saying. Nacho B knows that even with roids from a vampire facial and hormone therapy replacement, Lil Floyd cannot handle Da Manny's pressure and pop.
->http://ringobserver.com/articles/nacho-beristain-pacquiao-will-beat-mayweather. Marquez knows the score. Money May will not be the "Fallen Angel Memo Heredia" lucky.Holla!


-stormcentre :

I guess so that Money May cannot win. Holla at what Hulkquez's trainer is saying. Nacho B knows that even with roids from a vampire facial and hormone therapy replacement, Lil Floyd cannot handle Da Manny's pressure and pop.
->http://ringobserver.com/articles/nacho-beristain-pacquiao-will-beat-mayweather. Marquez knows the score. Money May will not be the "Fallen Angel Memo Heredia" lucky.Holla!
Hey MMMRG . . . where/when did Hawktime say Floyd can't handle Manny? I'm sure you have a reference or URL tucked away somewhere in your back pocket.


-SamuraiSam :

Yep (to all your new posts) it's all cool. I knew we'd get to this point in 2 or 3 more posts. Jungle Bunny has a few meanings. It (and I am) never racial. But mostly they're just those wild sometimes clueless rabbits running through the jungle not really knowing what's happening, if they're brave or scared, or even if they're scared of the sound of their own paws crunching leaves. And that jungle-wild analogy applies to all of us "Jungle Bunnies" that are as above and also caught in the spotlight when it comes to the MayPac farce-ation (farce-ation = farce + sensation). Anyway it's nice to know you're not sending me to the IC or morgue unit of some hospital; as I am a delicate man. :) Finally, forget BoxingScene. Sure, it's one of the great internet boxing delicatessens pimping itself out on pop up ads wherever possible; unique?. And, yes it's good for a quick update-fix; Krispy Kreme donuts?. But quality counts. And on that count here is where it's at; top down - from the guys that run the web-show, to the guys that report onsite and write real tight - right down to all the cool (but knowledgeable) cats on this forum; there aint no boredom. Better stop otherwise MMRG will revoke his (or my) poetic license on me. Welcome.
Thanks for the welcome. Wow, the definition of jungle bunny is completely different from what I grew up knowing. It highlights the reason why there's misunderstanding in this world. But it can be funny in some instances, like when it comes to interpretation of different languages by different nationalities. For example, the American car model Nova...not selling well in Mexico because because No Va means "does not go." LOL Yes, I do see the quality difference between the forums. As you may notice, I joined in Jan 2014, but I didn't post or hang around much because it was easier to pwn "Floydiots/Flomos" on BoxingScene than to keep up the level of prose written here...know what I mean? But yeah, it does get tiresome, so that's why I'm back to checking things out here.


-SamuraiSam :

I don't mind your post. One of the most damning pieces of evidence of racism is the denial of its existence. If anything, you simply shared what you felt and created a dialogue. FloydHype? Really? The piece you're referring to was an opinion piece by a columnist. Other than that, editorially speaking -- strictly journalistically -- they are actually one of the most unbiased outlets out there, though they don't claim to be journalists. Reason being is that they do 90% Q&As, which is directly transcribed interviews. And they did pul a journalistic touchdown when they caught Michael Koncz and Bob Arum lying -- and got him to admit to it on the record. Fighters respect them because they let them speak without having "words twisted," as they say. As a professionally trained journalist one of the techniques used is that you do an interview and you can literally rearrange quotes in your piece as you choose. For instance, in traditional journalism, you have a lead (first paragraph) and a nut graph (the graph that tells you what the story is about) often followed by a quote (often what is referred to as the "money quote", which doesn't have to be the first thing the interview subject said -- merely the thing that had the most "oomph." In FightHype's defense, they do strictly Q&As, which means the answers are transcribed directly and presented exactly as the conversation took place. Furthermore, this format makes it impossible to make loaded transitional paragraphs like other "award-winning journalists" do ""Pacquiao has conceded to every Mayweather demand..."" -- EM knows this since he's one of the few responsible/empathic guys out there -- and other foolery. I think they got that name because they publish factual information that contradicts popular opinion. In that realm, it makes them appear biased. Add to the exclusive access to Mayweather and it starts to look a certain way. But none of their coverage of this has been proven incorrect. It's funny, once I saw Koncz on the record with their editor admitting to LYING, people started saying "oh, he just made that up." A Q&A? Transcribed interview? I don't people realize how illegal that sh*t is...It's laughable how people are unable to separate fact from fiction and emotion. Some of the stuff they've reported (that people allege is biased towards Mayweather) I personally know for a fact FIRSTHAND is true. Ain't nobody trying to hear this, but I know how Top Rank rips off poor Manny Pacquiao through "sponsorship revenues." (Zero dollars? Really?) Ain't nobody trying to hear about REAL violations of the Ali act. (Zero dollars? Really?) Ain't nobody trying to hear about the mysterious emails that was sent back and forth listing the penalty in the event of a dirty test. Ain't nobody trying to hear about the counter draft that was sent requesting concealing the request for cover-ups. Ain't nobody trying to hear the public damage control strategy that was implemented once said request was categorically refused. Ain't nobody trying to hear about the REAL media agendas and axes to grind out there; some people had no idea even existed. Ain't nobody trying to hear about the subsequent diversion/vilification strategy masterfully implemented by the most masterful of men, which even pocketed a seven-figure fee for good measure. #boss When it comes to the negotiations -- and these are the FACTS -- there's one lead promoter. That presents a problem. When it comes to the negotiations -- and these are the facts -- opening the books is required. That presents a problem. When it comes to negotiations, there are entities accustomed to control now in position to ask for little. That presents a problem. When it comes to negotiations, there are issues of production that rub people the wrong way. And when it comes to negotiations -- and this is an unequivocal truth -- the margins are simply not there. The revenues -- "$400 MILLION, $750 MILLION, $2,432 TRILLION" -- may look impressive but the profits for one of the principals are relatively pathetic. (Especially when you can gross nine figures and KEEP nine figures (hint: site fee) for four fights.) It reminds me of this company called "Skullduggery." They had million dollar revenues. But zero profits. It's not about what you rake in, it's what you keep. And that's one of the biggest misconceptions of all. The fighters want this. But they're not going to make much money sparring at the Wild Card. There are a LOT of misconceptions out there. Lots of people like to lie to others and to themselves. But contracts, facts and numbers don't.
There's no doubt that FightHype has its positive side. I visit the site and their YouTube channel for their videos. Of course video and/or their transcription is the most objective you can get. That's definitely where they get things right. No knock on them for that. They just turned into FloydHype when Ben Thompson turned into Floyd's PR mouthpiece. For example, why were they so proud to post & boast the video of Floyd, at the pre-Ortiz news conference, saying, "...and Yes Manny Pacquiao, you're next." But they were silent when he later said, "No, I never said that...don't be putting words in my mouth"??? How was Ben Thompson able to post his article within minutes of the landmark event when Floyd walked across the court to "punk" Manny and Koncz at the Heat game when he wasn't even there to observe the happening personally and report it objectively? He just wrote what someone in the entourage subjectively told him to write. You get the impression that Floyd or his entourage called Ben in advance saying, "Check this out...we're going to punk Manny," and then writing the description of what someone in the entourage subjectively described to him. Why was Ben Thompson evasive in answering Michael Koncz's challenge of the way he described the event? Articles like that (not a video transcription) aside, you can even see the subjectivity when he's doing actual video interviews of Floyd. It has been reported how Floyd gets pre-press conference questions vetted in advance (e.g.--before the Motherland visit, and before his cancelled visit to Australia), so it's not inconceivable that he tells Ben in advance what subjects are off the record. And even when the video recording is rolling, you can see how Ben is submissive to Floyd's deflecting of subjects, or being talked over by Floyd and being unable to finish asking his question, or being unwilling to press hard for a straight answer to his good questions. Ben Thompson is the reason FightHype turned into FloydHype, which is unfortunate because the site has other respectable staff members objectively doing the Q&A's, as you said. You list here a lot of "Ain't nobody....". My question is...Why doesn't all of that get reported and come to light? The warring camps want to drag down each others' reputations, so why isn't the hard evidence being produced? I'm seriously "trying to hear." I WANT to "try to hear." So don't be telling me, "Ain't nobody trying to hear." They should put up or shut up.


-SamuraiSam :

No apology needed. Just want you to know you don't have to come into this forum with your guard up throwing punches. It is not like that here. No one out right attacks another here. This place is built on respect. This is a place of passion, conversation and yes sure disagreements. Though it is not a place where one attacks another. There is a site for disrespectful arguing, threatening and ridiculousness...This isn't it.
Yeah, I get all that now, as I discussed with stormcentre. And sorry about that closing...as stormcentre defined it for me, you're not a Jungle Bunny. LOL Peace out, brother.


-dino da vinci :

I think you read my (loaded) sentence the wrong way Skibbz. ""Of course some may say that none of the talk about a Mayweather V2 Pacquaio fight matters if the first fight is a conclusive loss to Mayweather; because then his record will not be undefeated. However, even though I don't agree with the fact that, if Floyd lost to Pacquaio the first time around (or vice/versa), there would be no market/demand for a rematch; realistically the chances that Mayweather V1 Pacquaio ends with a points decision is - in my opinion - pretty high."" I/it actually means - in my opinion - there probably will be a rematch. I'm saying (albeit in a round about way and/or long-winded fashion {I can't help myself; sorry}) that I don't agree that there will be no demand for a rematch. Sorry for the confusion. :cool:
I think the Money/Pac fight is starting to become that restaurant you heard great things about on the other side of town. And on the occasions you drive by it you say, "I've heard nothing but good things about this place, I've been meaning to try it." And this goes on for say, four, five years, but the reviews start to become a bit mixed, however with the good far outweighing the bad. In another year of mixed reviews, you're not going to care if you ever eat there or not. Because, well, there are other restaurants out there.


-deepwater2 :

Ain't nobody trying to hear actually means there is not nobody trying to hear. That means somebody does want to hear!


-Radam G :

Hey MMMRG . . . where/when did Hawktime say Floyd can't handle Manny? I'm sure you have a reference or URL tucked away somewhere in your back pocket.
Holla at it:
->http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/aaron-pryor-favors-pacquiao-over-floyd-i-do. Holla!


-Radam G :

There's no doubt that FightHype has its positive side. I visit the site and their YouTube channel for their videos. Of course video and/or their transcription is the most objective you can get. That's definitely where they get things right. No knock on them for that. They just turned into FloydHype when Ben Thompson turned into Floyd's PR mouthpiece. For example, why were they so proud to post & boast the video of Floyd, at the pre-Ortiz news conference, saying, "...and Yes Manny Pacquiao, you're next." But they were silent when he later said, "No, I never said that...don't be putting words in my mouth"??? How was Ben Thompson able to post his article within minutes of the landmark event when Floyd walked across the court to "punk" Manny and Koncz at the Heat game when he wasn't even there to observe the happening personally and report it objectively? He just wrote what someone in the entourage subjectively told him to write. You get the impression that Floyd or his entourage called Ben in advance saying, "Check this out...we're going to punk Manny," and then writing the description of what someone in the entourage subjectively described to him. Why was Ben Thompson evasive in answering Michael Koncz's challenge of the way he described the event? Articles like that (not a video transcription) aside, you can even see the subjectivity when he's doing actual video interviews of Floyd. It has been reported how Floyd gets pre-press conference questions vetted in advance (e.g.--before the Motherland visit, and before his cancelled visit to Australia), so it's not inconceivable that he tells Ben in advance what subjects are off the record. And even when the video recording is rolling, you can see how Ben is submissive to Floyd's deflecting of subjects, or being talked over by Floyd and being unable to finish asking his question, or being unwilling to press hard for a straight answer to his good questions. Ben Thompson is the reason FightHype turned into FloydHype, which is unfortunate because the site has other respectable staff members objectively doing the Q&A's, as you said. You list here a lot of "Ain't nobody....". My question is...Why doesn't all of that get reported and come to light? The warring camps want to drag down each others' reputations, so why isn't the hard evidence being produced? I'm seriously "trying to hear." I WANT to "try to hear." So don't be telling me, "Ain't nobody trying to hear." They should put up or shut up.
Nice work! And I have to steal your "FloydHype." Hehehe! Ben is a Lil Floyd man through and through. He will lie, die and be fly to get a piece of the Money May's pie. Telling the whole, unbias truth, Ben does not even try. He ought to run for the hills. And take some "Tell-the-truth pills. Holla!


-stormcentre :

I think the Money/Pac fight is starting to become that restaurant you heard great things about on the other side of town. And on the occasions you drive by it you say, "I've heard nothing but good things about this place, I've been meaning to try it." And this goes on for say, four, five years, but the reviews start to become a bit mixed, however with the good far outweighing the bad. In another year of mixed reviews, you're not going to care if you ever eat there or not. Because, well, there are other restaurants out there.
Yep - agreed. It's starting to get long in the tooth. Floyd must be having a laugh and loving it - particularly since his last punk-stunt exposed Arum a little. Still, at least we have some other good fights coming up; otherwise it would be really painful if we had to put up with this and all there was on the horizon was MayPac.


-stormcentre :

Holla at it:
->http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/aaron-pryor-favors-pacquiao-over-floyd-i-do. Holla!
Ta.


-King Beef :

Most readers see, accepted & support the TRUTH in the article. Your initial long-winded defense of Floyd ended with you calling us "Jungle Bunnies." In my 'hood, if you used such a racist rant to our face, you'd end up in the hospital's ICU, if not the morgue. 'Nuff said.
1st welcome to the site SamuraiSam; alittle rocky start but its all good; its gonna happen in a forum where everyone is passionate about the sport. I can see where you would have your reaction, when I 1st saw it I did a double take, but kinda knowing the guys here, and knowing they are from all over the world, I gave the benefit of the doubt. I think the problem was that the racial slur meaning of that word is not known by many; either way you guys worked it out like gentlemen. and by the way as someone stated earlier DEFINITELY forget about BS's forum, there is alot more knowledge here, as you may have noticed by the members posts. Keep the posts coming my friend, and again welcome.


-The Shadow :

There's no doubt that FightHype has its positive side. I visit the site and their YouTube channel for their videos. Of course video and/or their transcription is the most objective you can get. That's definitely where they get things right. No knock on them for that. ... Articles like that (not a video transcription) aside, you can even see the subjectivity when he's doing actual video interviews of Floyd. It has been reported how Floyd gets pre-press conference questions vetted in advance (e.g.--before the Motherland visit, and before his cancelled visit to Australia),
so it's not inconceivable that he tells Ben in advance what subjects are off the record. And even when the video recording is rolling, you can see how Ben is submissive to Floyd's deflecting of subjects, or being talked over by Floyd and being unable to finish asking his question, or being unwilling to press hard for a straight answer to his good questions. Ben Thompson is the reason FightHype turned into FloydHype, which is unfortunate because the site has other respectable staff members objectively doing the Q&A's, as you said. You list here a lot of "Ain't nobody....". My question is...Why doesn't all of that get reported and come to light? The warring camps want to drag down each others' reputations, so why isn't the hard evidence being produced? I'm seriously "trying to hear." I WANT to "try to hear." So don't be telling me, "Ain't nobody trying to hear." They should put up or shut up.
1) Ben Thompson is the one doing the Q&As. It's his site. The only other one who does Q&As with any regularity is his friend/partner Percy Crawford. 2) It's STANDARD PRACTICE in journalism for interview subjects to be prepped in advance on topics. For superstars it is the absolute NORM. There are NO interviews (maybe less than 1%) being done without discussions about what's off limits, what topics not to discuss etc. That's just how it is. If people hang their hat on that as proof then it just shows how woefully ignorant they are about journalism. (And all this FloydHype, Flomo, Pactard stuff, ugh, makes me cringe. Sounds like 5th grade arguments.) 3) It has come to light. No one listens. They can't accept the truth. Instead they call it bias. Or make up things out of thin air to restore the balance more in favor of bias. You see, beliefs are so strong that people will hang on to them in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This saga has turned almost sect/cult/religious to people. So if motherf*ckers can believe the Earth is only a few thousands years old because an old manuscript compiled by fourth-hand recollections -- and will go to infinity and beyond to protect that position -- it hardly surprises me when I see seemingly intelligent adults display the acumen of.... I don't even know, something really silly. I remember one instance where people started talking about a 150 catchweight for Mayweather-Cotto and just beating him up over it because they just figured he would request that. Really? Then I saw a comment where someone said he didn't like Mayweather so he's probably a cheater. Really?! (As for one of your comments, the major misconception about Mayweather's supposed contradiction about "never having said that" wasn't a reference to saying "Manny Pacquiao, you're next!" People just run with that BS. The question that was asked was "Is Victor Ortiz a tune-up for Manny Pacquiao?" to which Mayweather responded, "I never said that!" But, but, ain't nobody trying to hear that either.) 4) The Miami Meetup you list where you say Thompson was alerted about them "punking Manny" -- which I don't believe he actually said; he reported they confronted Koncz and Pacquiao to stop lying, which was
true -- you can't really criticize him for that. He reported what sources told him. He said "According to sources..." so he's not saying anything with bias, he's reporting what was told to him by sources -- especially since Koncz later confirmed it, acknowledged it, and sent a text message to media urging them to stop asking about it. If anything, the 10 other outlets who ran with the fake story should be the ones subject to ridicule and rage because their asses are so incompetent that they continually believe people who are frivolous with the truth. (What contract?) Ben's just the one who got the scoop. But again, people ain't trying to hear that because it doesn't match the popular opinion. People want to believe Mayweather is scared which is so ridiculous; Pacquiao is one of the driving motivations for him coming out of retirement in the first place. 5) All that said, if you're really trying to hear as you maintain [U]just read what I wrote[/U] that people are not trying to hear. This is not second hand information. Just like the sun rises and sets ever day. Now, you ask why hasn't it been reported? Well, it has. The hard evidence is out there. It just flies under the radar. The real damning evidence obviously can't be released to the public (I'm not alluding to drug use either way, by the way). But why hasn't it been reported by "award-winning" journalists? I can only think of two reasons. Two reasons: 1) aforementioned axes, 2) incompetence or off-the-record confidentiality. I can't see no other reason. And what I mentioned is just the tip of the iceberg. There's A LOT of sh*t people can't even say. Like the counter-offer to the original agreement that led to the lawsuit, which the public has no idea of. People'd get in trouble and people wouldn't believe him anyway. I'll just leave it at that. Oh, just for good measure, if you really want to talk bias, the most self-admittedly biased Pacquiao reporter out there -- he leads the article detailing hero worship of the Filipino icon -- is the one who published this:
->http://www.boxingscene.com/lets-fair-floyd-mayweather-jr--86943 ...and this:
->http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/02/02/15/nathanielsz-reveals-what-floyd-told-pacquiao Oh, and for the record, I couldn't give a sh*t about either. In fact, I find Pacquiao more likable. It is what it is.


-Radam G :

1) Ben Thompson is the one doing the Q&As. It's his site. The only other one who does Q&As with any regularity is his friend/partner Percy Crawford. 2) It's STANDARD PRACTICE in journalism for interview subjects to be prepped in advance on topics. For superstars it is the absolute NORM. There are NO interviews (maybe less than 1%) being done without discussions about what's off limits, what topics not to discuss etc. That's just how it is. If people hang their hat on that as proof then it just shows how woefully ignorant they are about journalism. (And all this FloydHype, Flomo, Pactard stuff, ugh, makes me cringe. Sounds like 5th grade arguments.) 3) It has come to light. No one listens. They can't accept the truth. Instead they call it bias. Or make up things out of thin air to restore the balance more in favor of bias. You see, beliefs are so strong that people will hang on to them in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This saga has turned almost sect/cult/religious to people. So if motherf*ckers can believe the Earth is only a few thousands years old because an old manuscript compiled by fourth-hand recollections -- and will go to infinity and beyond to protect that position -- it hardly surprises me when I see seemingly intelligent adults display the acumen of.... I don't even know, something really silly. I remember one instance where people started talking about a 150 catchweight for Mayweather-Cotto and just beating him up over it because they just figured he would request that. Really? Then I saw a comment where someone said he didn't like Mayweather so he's probably a cheater. Really?! (As for one of your comments, the major misconception about Mayweather's supposed contradiction about "never having said that" wasn't a reference to saying "Manny Pacquiao, you're next!" People just run with that BS. The question that was asked was "Is Victor Ortiz a tune-up for Manny Pacquiao?" to which Mayweather responded, "I never said that!" But, but, ain't nobody trying to hear that either.) 4) The Miami Meetup you list where you say Thompson was alerted about them "punking Manny" -- which I don't believe he actually said; he reported they confronted Koncz and Pacquiao to stop lying, which was
true -- you can't really criticize him for that. He reported what sources told him. He said "According to sources..." so he's not saying anything with bias, he's reporting what was told to him by sources -- especially since Koncz later confirmed it, acknowledged it, and sent a text message to media urging them to stop asking about it. If anything, the 10 other outlets who ran with the fake story should be the ones subject to ridicule and rage because their asses are so incompetent that they continually believe people who are frivolous with the truth. (What contract?) Ben's just the one who got the scoop. But again, people ain't trying to hear that because it doesn't match the popular opinion. People want to believe Mayweather is scared which is so ridiculous; Pacquiao is one of the driving motivations for him coming out of retirement in the first place. 5) All that said, if you're really trying to hear as you maintain [U]just read what I wrote[/U] that people are not trying to hear. This is not second hand information. Just like the sun rises and sets ever day. Now, you ask why hasn't it been reported? Well, it has. The hard evidence is out there. It just flies under the radar. The real damning evidence obviously can't be released to the public (I'm not alluding to drug use either way, by the way). But why hasn't it been reported by "award-winning" journalists? I can only think of two reasons. Two reasons: 1) aforementioned axes, 2) incompetence or off-the-record confidentiality. I can't see no other reason. And what I mentioned is just the tip of the iceberg. There's A LOT of sh*t people can't even say. Like the counter-offer to the original agreement that led to the lawsuit, which the public has no idea of. People'd get in trouble and people wouldn't believe him anyway. I'll just leave it at that. Oh, just for good measure, if you really want to talk bias, the most self-admittedly biased Pacquiao reporter out there -- he leads the article detailing hero worship of the Filipino icon -- is the one who published this:
->http://www.boxingscene.com/lets-fair-floyd-mayweather-jr--86943 ...and this:
->http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/02/02/15/nathanielsz-reveals-what-floyd-told-pacquiao Oh, and for the record, I couldn't give a sh*t about either. In fact, I find Pacquiao more likable. It is what it is.
My buddy, The Shadow, you should double-and-triple check anything that Pinoy scribe Ronnie Nathanielsz scribbles or says. He is not a pro-Pacquiao reporter. He's a hater and a bigot from a different Filipino tribe and the go-to man for FightHype's and its made-up unidentified source from Team Da Manny. Nathanielsz is jealous, has a crab mentality, has questionable mental health and is nearly 90-years old. The laws and culture are different in the P-Islands from the mainland United States. Nobody in da know listens to "ang mga malaking sinungaling" -- "the big lies" -- of Nathanielsz. Dude will lie at the drop of a hat about being a secret member of Team Da Manny. And FightHype's Thompson and Crawford love dat phony jive. And, again, since the laws and cuture are different in the P-Islands from the mainland USA, electronic ease dropping equipment tells da haps 100-percent reliable. As I've said a million times, tricks of the trade are everywhere. And in our shady, sleazy, shaky sport of boksing it is about knowing it before you are blowing it. After all, no major media on the U.S. mainland blew NBC Managing Editor Brian Williams's cover. The U.S. overseas's newspaper/cyber paper Stars and Stripes did it. I have a history with Pacific Stars and Stripes Asia -- headquartered in Tokyo. Holla!


-Radam G :

Pops Joy May hollas at yesteryears:
->http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=XelFzl0mKPQ. Holla!


-stormcentre :

My buddy, The Shadow, you should double-and-triple check anything that Pinoy scribe Ronnie Nathanielsz scribbles or says. He is not a pro-Pacquiao reporter. He's a hater and a bigot from a different Filipino tribe and the go-to man for FightHype's and its made-up unidentified source from Team Da Manny. Nathanielsz is jealous, has a crab mentality, has questionable mental health and is nearly 90-years old. The laws and culture are different in the P-Islands from the mainland United States. Nobody in da know listens to "ang mga malaking sinungaling" -- "the big lies" -- of Nathanielsz. Dude will lie at the drop of a hat about being a secret member of Team Da Manny. And FightHype's Thompson and Crawford love dat phony jive. And, again, since the laws and cuture are different in the P-Islands from the mainland USA, electronic ease dropping equipment tells da haps 100-percent reliable. As I've said a million times, tricks of the trade are everywhere. And in our shady, sleazy, shaky sport of boksing it is about knowing it before you are blowing it. After all, no major media on the U.S. mainland blew NBC Managing Editor Brian Williams's cover. The U.S. overseas's newspaper/cyber paper Stars and Stripes did it. I have a history with Pacific Stars and Stripes Asia -- headquartered in Tokyo. Holla!
Heeeeeeeey . . . . . MMMRG . . . I gotta say. . . . . After reading your above post and others . . . you are definitely one of the most "out there" cats I know. I can't count the amount of times I have read your "tricks of the trade memoirs" (I mean that in a nice way) and thought WTF, and smiled (and sometimes shook my head in humor) as I have read your posts. You're the only cat I know that, on at least 1/2 the occasions I read your stuff, I, initially, really have no idea what your saying and/or mean - but then in some weird way I do - yet despite it all and all my confusion I still like your posts - that (at least in my exhausted little mind) go from conspiracy-in-boxing overtones - to apocalypse zombie boxing-writer concerns - right through to government wire tapping and boxing-canvass fiddling before big fights, to even up the changes. Love it. Like me; do you do most of your cooking and best work in a caravan too?


-stormcentre :

My buddy, The Shadow, you should double-and-triple check anything that Pinoy scribe Ronnie Nathanielsz scribbles or says. He is not a pro-Pacquiao reporter. He's a hater and a bigot from a different Filipino tribe and the go-to man for FightHype's and its made-up unidentified source from Team Da Manny. Nathanielsz is jealous, has a crab mentality, has questionable mental health and is nearly 90-years old. The laws and culture are different in the P-Islands from the mainland United States. Nobody in da know listens to "ang mga malaking sinungaling" -- "the big lies" -- of Nathanielsz. Dude will lie at the drop of a hat about being a secret member of Team Da Manny. And FightHype's Thompson and Crawford love dat phony jive. And, again, since the laws and cuture are different in the P-Islands from the mainland USA, electronic ease dropping equipment tells da haps 100-percent reliable. As I've said a million times, tricks of the trade are everywhere. And in our shady, sleazy, shaky sport of boksing it is about knowing it before you are blowing it. After all, no major media on the U.S. mainland blew NBC Managing Editor Brian Williams's cover. The U.S. overseas's newspaper/cyber paper Stars and Stripes did it. I have a history with Pacific Stars and Stripes Asia -- headquartered in Tokyo. Holla!
Heeeeeeeey . . . . . MMMRG . . . I gotta say. . . . . After reading your above post and others . . . you are definitely one of the most "out there" cats I know. I can't count the amount of times I have read your "tricks of the trade memoirs" (I mean that in a nice way) and thought WTF, and smiled (and sometimes shook my head in humor) as I have read your posts. You're the only cat I know that, on at least 1/2 the occasions I read your stuff, I, initially, really have no idea what your saying and/or mean - but then in some weird way I do - yet despite it all and all my confusion I still like your posts - that (at least in my exhausted little mind) go from conspiracy-in-boxing overtones - to apocalypse zombie boxing-writer concerns - right through to government wire tapping and boxing-canvass fiddling before big fights, to even up the chances. Love it. Like me; do you do most of your cooking and best work in a caravan too?


-deepwater2 :

If Floyd wanted the fight and it couldn't get made he would post details or have a press conference to whine about it. If the man can post abortion pictures he can post anything. It is what it is. If the A side really wants the fight we will get it. If not move out of the way and let other fighters take over. GGG is ready to go. If Thurman can rid himself of tsAH ,he might take over. A real throwback type of guy. Bottom line is boxing will survive but just fight or get off the pot.


-Radam G :

Heeeeeeeey . . . . . MMMRG . . . I gotta say. . . . . After reading your above post and others . . . you are definitely one of the most "out there" cats I know. I can't count the amount of times I have read your "tricks of the trade memoirs" (I mean that in a nice way) and thought WTF, and smiled (and sometimes shook my head in humor) as I have read your posts. You're the only cat I know that, on at least 1/2 the occasions I read your stuff, I, initially, really have no idea what your saying and/or mean - but then in some weird way I do - yet despite it all and all my confusion I still like your posts - that (at least in my exhausted little mind) go from conspiracy-in-boxing overtones - to apocalypse zombie boxing-writer concerns - right through to government wire tapping and boxing-canvass fiddling before big fights, to even up the chances. Love it. Like me; do you do most of your cooking and best work in a caravan too?
If I were not in the loop of da poop of our red-light-district sport, I would holla at my cousin, the shrink, and tell him to medicate me, lock me up and throw away the key. Our sport draws every type of crook, con person, entrepreneur, wacko, sicko, homo -- no hate -- dodo, moving-up hobos and making-up-syet jiving joes that you could imagine. All I do is call a spade a spade, and not hide in the shade. There is a movie out called "50 Shades of Grey," or something like that. Boksing has thousands of shades of bullsyeters. You are spot on about me. I'm way out there. Hehehe! I don't want to get soiled by the ____ ___ ___ -- and I don't know the words to put in the blanks -- of our sport. You have to not only watch for the tricks of the trade, but the optical illusions. They are all up in da game. And can determine if you get fame or shame. And just go alone being lame. Holla!


-The Shadow :

Lil FLoyd is smart, and doesn't want any. When it comes to Da Manny, he is strickly a pride pug, not a prizefigter. Holla!
Sure about that?


-The Shadow :

If Floyd wanted the fight and it couldn't get made he would post details or have a press conference to whine about it. If the man can post abortion pictures he can post anything. It is what it is. If the A side really wants the fight we will get it. If not move out of the way and let other fighters take over. GGG is ready to go. If Thurman can rid himself of tsAH ,he might take over. A real throwback type of guy. Bottom line is boxing will survive but just fight or get off the pot.
Is the announcement good for boxing...?


-Froggy :

Is the announcement good for boxing...?
You bet it is !


-Froggy :

Is the announcement good for boxing...?
You bet it is !


-SamuraiSam :

No apology needed. Just want you to know you don't have to come into this forum with your guard up throwing punches. It is not like that here. No one out right attacks another here. This place is built on respect. This is a place of passion, conversation and yes sure disagreements. Though it is not a place where one attacks another. There is a site for disrespectful arguing, threatening and ridiculousness...This isn't it.
Wow, how things have flipped 180 degrees since this was posted in defense of stormcentre after my initial uninformed reply to his comments. When I compare his civil, even-tempered replies in this thread to his current comments that I've read in the thread "Floyd Mayweather Jr. The Best Ever? Hardly" ([URL]http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly[/URL]), I have to wonder to myself...WTF snapped in this dudes head? And he's a moderator? It's kind of sad how one's mentality can snap and revert from being civil to becoming a self-righteously angry, childish-name calling bully. But I can understand. Holding one's tongue, swallowing pride, and repressing anger can build up until the right trigger at the right time allows it to explode. In this case, it seems to have exploded upon Floyd's victory over Manny. I sense the true colors have been waiting a long time to come out. If this place is built on respect, as you say, it must reflect poorly on the Forums to have a moderator who regressed into childish playground name calling. I begin to wonder if he has an alt on BoxingScene, where such banter between Floydiots and Pactards run rampant. But on second thought, from what I've observed, the name calling is familiar, but no one I've seen there makes such long-winded replies as he does here.


-Radam G :

Wow, how things have flipped 180 degrees since this was posted in defense of stormcentre after my initial uninformed reply to his comments. When I compare his civil, even-tempered replies in this thread to his current comments that I've read in the thread "Floyd Mayweather Jr. The Best Ever? Hardly" ([URL]http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly[/URL]), I have to wonder to myself...WTF snapped in this dudes head? And he's a moderator? It's kind of sad how one's mentality can snap and revert from being civil to becoming a self-righteously angry, childish-name calling bully. But I can understand. Holding one's tongue, swallowing pride, and repressing anger can build up until the right trigger at the right time allows it to explode. In this case, it seems to have exploded upon Floyd's victory over Manny. I sense the true colors have been waiting a long time to come out. If this place is built on respect, as you say, it must reflect poorly on the Forums to have a moderator who regressed into childish playground name calling. I begin to wonder if he has an alt on BoxingScene, where such banter between Floydiots and Pactards run rampant. But on second thought, from what I've observed, the name calling is familiar, but no one I've seen there makes such long-winded replies as he does here.
Hehehehehe! Satan can fool us sometimes. I see that he didn't fool you from the jump. Satan has jump straight outta dat dude. OMFG! "Houston, we have a problem." Hopefully those great minds are working on it. Holla!


-SamuraiSam :

Yep (to all your new posts) it's all cool. I knew we'd get to this point in 2 or 3 more posts. Jungle Bunny has a few meanings. It (and I am) never racial. But mostly they're just those wild sometimes clueless rabbits running through the jungle not really knowing what's happening, if they're brave or scared, or even if they're scared of the sound of their own paws crunching leaves. And that jungle-wild analogy applies to all of us "Jungle Bunnies" that are as above and also caught in the spotlight when it comes to the MayPac farce-ation (farce-ation = farce + sensation). Anyway it's nice to know you're not sending me to the IC or morgue unit of some hospital; as I am a delicate man. :) Finally, forget BoxingScene. Sure, it's one of the great internet boxing delicatessens pimping itself out on pop up ads wherever possible; unique?. And, yes it's good for a quick update-fix; Krispy Kreme donuts?. But quality counts. And on that count here is where it's at; top down - from the guys that run the web-show, to the guys that report onsite and write real tight - right down to all the cool (but knowledgeable) cats on this forum; there aint no boredom. Better stop otherwise MMRG will revoke his (or my) poetic license on me. Welcome.
I found it curious how no one else in this forum chimed in to verify your definition of "Jungle Bunny." To let everyone else know where I was coming from in my definition, which explains my initial reply to you, I'll leave the following links to a classic Saturday Night Live skit featuring Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2b21yAeEpQ[/URL] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lYQbueIyg[/URL] [URL]http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82180813/[/URL] [URL]http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75ginterview.phtml[/URL]


-Radam G :

I found it curious how no one else in this forum chimed in to verify your definition of "Jungle Bunny." To let everyone else know where I was coming from in my definition, which explains my initial reply to you, I'll leave the following links to a classic Saturday Night Live skit featuring Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2b21yAeEpQ[/URL] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_lYQbueIyg[/URL] [URL]http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82180813/[/URL] [URL]http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75ginterview.phtml[/URL]
Dude doesn't want anything to do with you exposing him. I see he is staying away from this Thread and everything that you noted. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Dude doesn't want anything to do with you exposing him. I see he is staying away from this Thread and everything that you noted. Holla!
Wrong again. I visited the thread today, but we had already sorted the issue out months ago. You knew that as you were posting at that time. All SS is doing is showing why he thought I meant something that he knows I didn't. So, it's yet another lying and unnecessarily provocative post from you. Grow up Radam.


-stormcentre :

Dude doesn't want anything to do with you exposing him. I see he is staying away from this Thread and everything that you noted. Holla!
Wrong again. I visited the thread today, but we had already sorted the issue out months ago. You knew that as you were posting at that time. All SS is doing is showing why he thought I meant something that he knows I didn't. So, it's yet another lying and unnecessarily provocative post from you.
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/showthread.php?21229-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr-The-Best-Ever-Hardly&p=82712&viewfull=1#post82712 Grow up Radam.