WOODS: I Am Very Much Looking Forward To Guerrero-Thurman

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Not sure about you, but the fight that's been booked for 2015 that I'm most looking forward to thus far is the main event set for March 7, which pits ex champ Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero and young gun Keith Thurman, on the cusp of making that leap, just maybe, into a must see dude, the type you keep attention on in terms of, 'When is that guy fighting next?'

They will tangle on NBC, in prime freakin' time, on a show promoted by Goossen Boxing, put together by packager Al Haymon's crew, and shown on their “Premier Boxing Champions” series, from the MGM.

I checked in with the Floridian Thurman (24-0 with 21 KOs) and the Cali-based boxer Guerrero (32-2-1 with 18 KOs), to get a sense of how they see the contest, and how they think it could unfold.

First, Thurman.

How, sir, will you plan to beat Ghost?

“However I want, man,” he told me. “I use the work with that Winky did back when he fought Shane Mosley (two wins in 2004). The Ghost does not have anything special that I'm worried about.You can call me Pac-Man, this fight after a few rounds, he will turn blue, and I'ma tear him up!”

Fair nuff…but that kid does have heart. He's tough…you don't expect a tough rumble?

“Tough ain't enough,” he replied.

Guerrero differs, and he don't beg.

“My plan is to steal the show,” Guerrero told me.

When told that Thurman said he's got nothing special he brings to the table, the boxer replied, “He'll find out March 7. Talk is over. On March 7, I'm gonna let the fists do the talking. I plan on leaving his face worse than Berto's.”

He gave you tough, he did allow that…

“They all say the same till they step in the ring,” he stated. “There's levels to boxing and he's never been on this level. So he better bring his helmet and bicycle cause I'm going to leave everything on the line. And I'm glad people are happy with this matchup, because I love fighting the best and leaving the fans and media happy!”

Confession, I mixed up dates, and thought the Thurman-Guerrero scrum would take place in Brooklyn. So I made a crack about Ghost maybe not being such a fan of NY

“I got my gun permit to carry in New York so I'm good,” he respond, good-naturedly.  “Just joking. That's been taken care of long ago. Just a small fine and community service. Lesson learned: no harm, no foul.” Amen…

He reports his family is good, and his wife's health is good, so that's good news…

“I'm just extremely excited to be on this stage and I'm ready for the bell to ring,” Guerrero said. “Got my hard hat and boots on and I'm ready to grind him out!”

Talk to me, friends. How do you see Guerrero-Thurman playing out?

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-deepwater2 :

Thurman by TKO. RG beating up Berto was a great thing,but you have to remember Berto was hyped up and tried to use a bogus shoulder roll style that backfired on him. Before that RG beat Aydin and Katsidis who are tough but limited guys that are easy to find. Aydin lost to Soto Karass in his next fight so it is what it is. In his last fight RG was hit way too much by Kamegai in an exciting affair. Robert hasn't knocked anyone out since 2009 I think, so he will have no fire power in there to take Thurman out. if Thurman must box he shows that he can and will. This fight is the closest thing to a sure thing. Thurman for the win and probably by stoppage. Thurman should be favored heavy by the bookies. RG will get a"moral" victory if he lasts the whole fight on his feet. Is the ghost being served up to be a spectacular knockout victim at the really big show? I say yes.


-The Commish :

This is a terrific matchup. It's so great to have boxing back on network TV where it belongs. I'm with you on the result, Deep. Thurman by stoppage. -Randy G.


-The Good Doctor :

Thurman by TKO. RG beating up Berto was a great thing,but you have to remember Berto was hyped up and tried to use a bogus shoulder roll style that backfired on him. Before that RG beat Aydin and Katsidis who are tough but limited guys that are easy to find. Aydin lost to Soto Karass in his next fight so it is what it is. In his last fight RG was hit way too much by Kamegai in an exciting affair. Robert hasn't knocked anyone out since 2009 I think, so he will have no fire power in there to take Thurman out. if Thurman must box he shows that he can and will. This fight is the closest thing to a sure thing. Thurman for the win and probably by stoppage. Thurman should be favored heavy by the bookies. RG will get a"moral" victory if he lasts the whole fight on his feet. Is the ghost being served up to be a spectacular knockout victim at the really big show? I say yes.
I think you are on it Deep. I got Thurman by late stoppage although the ghost is tough piece of iron so it would not surprise me if it went the route. I do believe this has the potential to be a showcase bout for Thurman. He has looked pretty good against C+, B- competition up until this point. If he beats a live dog in Guerrero, he will cement himself as true player at 147 if he hasn't already. The winner of this bout puts himself in a very interesting position as well. I would imagine the possibilities for a next fight would be endless for the winner. I would imagine bouts with Khan, Brook, Bradley, Maidana, Garcia, Porter if he regains traction, maybe Marquez, the Rios-Alvarado winner and maybe a couple of others are on the docket. In addition, the winner will easily have placed the biggest W on their resume to date. Also, as a sidebar, opening lines have Guerrero at +550. Mostly overseas lines though. Looking forward to this one.


-Radam G :

Wow! I think the Cali Humbug Ghost and Wacky Ghost Dad will find some success. So I'm going with a draw or close decision by the CHG Guerrero. Holla!


-Carmine Cas :

I'm riding with you guys on this one, I do see The Ghost making it to a decision though, he's tough as nails. But his grit will surely get tested against Thurman's firepower, so Guerrero could get stopped. The one factor is Guerrero is a step above the Bundus, Diaz, and Karass' of the world. His extra dimension of higher level experience and craftiness will play a major factor in this fight IMO, he will try to take Thurman to deep water and that's good for Thurman from an experience standpoint; albeit he doesn't drown. Guerrero drank a 36 pack to grow into 147, he's not the fleet footed featherweight and lightweight anymore that donned him "The Ghost". He's there to be hit, and Thurman will be doing a lot of that. Guerrero has to make this an ugly fight in order to be successful. And it's up to Keith to keep him off. I predict a UD or late stoppage in favor of One Time.


-Carmine Cas :

The other thing is if Guerrero hurts Thurman, he's got the experience to follow up and capitalize on it. I don't see this as a walk in the park, Guerrero's got the experience to make it tough if he's all there.


-Radam G :

Of course a close decision win for "One $hot" Thurman. Holla!


-Hidalgo :

Crawford mercilessly beats and stops Algieri and either handily outpoints Herrera or makes him quit on his stool. Matthysse puts up a gallant battle and shakes Crawford up a time or two but TC has too much power skill and chin to be denied a tough physical UD. Provodnikov will be pummeled and humiliatingly (is that a word?)out boxed. Crawford is good enough right now to convincingly beat Danny Garcia, possibly by stoppage. Yes Crawford is that good. Wait and see.


-Hidalgo :

This is a really good match up. Robert is a wiley tough fighter who will test Thurman's skills to the highest level. It will go 12 rounds and likely end in a MD or Draw. Don't count Robert out of pulling stunning upset.


-Hidalgo :

Sorry guys I put my comments about Crawford in the wrong thread. Tried to delete it but it didn't go away.


-stormcentre :

It's a good matchup. For me it comes down to whether Guerrero can hurt Thurman. Thurman is still relatively untested with boxers that are not too phased with guys that can do one or two things really well. I remember Kostya Tszyu being asked whether he was concerned with Gonzales' left hook before he busted his in ring virginity wide apart. KT said; ""why you ask me question like that for when I will fight any boxer, and have prove that?"". Dumbass interviewer then says; ""because he has a very good left hook and it has knocked a lot of guys down/out"". If my memory serves me correctly - because as you all know I know I really have no real way of knowing for sure - Kostya Tszyu then said; "Hey, [insert name of dumbass interviewer here], in world championship boxing every fighter do something really good - it's why they're not just contenders". Beautiful. Now, I'm not (yet) saying Robert will win. But - for now - I am saying, he should not be too phased with a guy that can throw high inertia punches for the majority of rounds. And whenever that seems to happen to Thurman and he is not only forced to change - but with a guy that is waiting for him to adjust - like the fight-strategy analogy of making a guy reset - Thurman (like the rest of us) gets a little tipsy and tries to bully his way through fights. I think, if that happens, with a guy that has done 12 with Floyd, Keith may have some learning to so. Still, if you stick feathers up the backside of your opponent it still doesn't make him a chicken. So, we will have to wait and see what else the Storm thinks of in between now and then.


-stormcentre :

It's a good matchup. For me it comes down to whether Guerrero can hurt Thurman. Thurman is still relatively untested with boxers that are not too phased with guys that can do one or two things really well. I remember Kostya Tszyu being asked whether he was concerned with Gonzales' left hook before he busted his in ring virginity wide apart. KT said; ""why you ask me question like that for when I will fight any boxer, and have prove that?"". Dumbass interviewer then says; ""because he has a very good left hook and it has knocked a lot of guys down/out"". If my memory serves me correctly - because as you all know I know I really have no real way of knowing for sure - Kostya Tszyu then said; ""Hey, [
insert name of dumbass interviewer here], in world championship boxing every fighter do something really good - it's why they're not just contenders"". Beautiful. Now, I'm not (yet) saying Robert will win. But - for now - I am saying, he should not be too phased with a guy that can throw high inertia punches for the majority of rounds. And whenever that seems to happen to Thurman and he is not only forced to change - but with a guy that is waiting for him to adjust - like the fight-strategy analogy of making a guy reset - Thurman (like the rest of us) gets a little tipsy and tries to bully his way through fights. I think, if that happens, with a guy that has done 12 with Floyd, Keith may have some learning to so. Still, if you stick feathers up the backside of your opponent it still doesn't make him a chicken. So, we will have to wait and see what else the Storm thinks of in between now and then.


-stormcentre :

It's a good matchup. For me it comes down to whether Guerrero can hurt Thurman. Thurman is still relatively untested with experienced top-level boxers that are themselves not too phased with guys (like Thurman) that can do one or two things really well. I remember Kostya Tszyu being asked whether he was concerned with Gonzales' left hook before he busted his in ring virginity wide apart. KT said; ""why you ask me question like that for when I will fight any boxer, and have prove that?"". Dumbass interviewer then says; ""because he has a very good left hook and it has knocked a lot of guys down/out"". If my memory serves me correctly - because as you all know, I really have no real way of knowing for sure exactly what was said - Kostya Tszyu then said; ""Hey, [
insert name of dumbass interviewer here], in world championship boxing every fighter do something really good - it's why they're not just contenders"". Beautiful. Now, I'm not (yet) saying Robert will win. But - for now - I am saying, he should not be too phased with a guy that can throw high inertia punches for the majority of rounds. And whenever that seems to happen to Thurman and he is not only forced to change - but with a guy that is waiting for him to adjust - like the fight-strategy analogy of making a guy reset - Thurman (like many of us) gets a little tipsy, and then predictably tries to bully his way through fights. I think, if that happens, with a guy that has done 12 with Floyd, Keith may have some learning to so. Not in the least as there is a lot of space between his punches and the guy reaches and (over) extends out a lot. That said, if you stick feathers up the backside of your opponent it still doesn't make him a chicken. And, that Thurman is not no matter how bamboozled he may get. Open and desperate - yes. So, we will have to wait and see what else the Storm thinks of, in between now and then.


-stormcentre :

It's a good matchup. For me it comes down to whether Guerrero can hurt Thurman. Thurman is still relatively untested with experienced top-level boxers that are themselves not too phased with guys (like Thurman) that can do one or two things really well. I remember Kostya Tszyu being asked whether he was concerned with Gonzales' left hook before he busted his in ring virginity wide apart. KT said; ""why you ask me question like that for when I will fight any boxer, and have prove that?"". Dumbass interviewer then says; ""because he has a very good left hook and it has knocked a lot of guys down/out"". If my memory serves me correctly - because as you all know, I really have no real way of knowing for sure exactly what was said - Kostya Tszyu then said; ""Hey, [
insert name of dumbass interviewer here], in world championship boxing every fighter do something really good - it's why they're not just contenders"". Beautiful. Now, I'm not (yet) saying Robert will win. But - for now - I am saying, he should not be too phased with a guy that can throw high inertia punches for the majority of rounds. And whenever that seems to happen to Thurman and he is not only forced to change - but with a guy that is waiting for him to adjust - like the fight-strategy analogy of making a guy reset - Thurman (like many of us) gets a little tipsy, and then predictably tries to bully his way through fights. I think, if that happens, with a guy that has done 12 with Floyd, Keith may have some learning to so. Not in the least as there is a lot of space between his punches and the guy reaches and (over) extends out a lot. That said, if you stick feathers up the backside of your opponent it still doesn't make him a chicken. And, that Thurman is not no matter how bamboozled he may get. Open and desperate - yes. So, we will have to wait and see what else the Storm thinks of, in between now and then.


-gibola :

Thurman aggressive in the early rounds, boxes in the middle rounds and Guerrero comes on late. Thurman by deserved, but close-ish decision. Guerrero will swear he won, accuse Thurman of running and demand a rematch. I fear it might not be the shootout we hope for, but hope I'm wrong.


-stormcentre :

Thurman aggressive in the early rounds, boxes in the middle rounds and Guerrero comes on late. Thurman by deserved, but close-ish decision. Guerrero will swear he won, accuse Thurman of running and demand a rematch. I fear it might not be the shootout we hope for, but hope I'm wrong.
Well and nicely written/predicted. Flows through the splinter of the mind's forecasting eye, and off the tongue (when you say it) quite well. You can really see that happening when you read what you wrote. Cool stuff.


-Radam G :

Thurman aggressive in the early rounds, boxes in the middle rounds and Guerrero comes on late. Thurman by deserved, but close-ish decision. Guerrero will swear he won, accuse Thurman of running and demand a rematch. I fear it might not be the shootout we hope for, but hope I'm wrong.
I doubt that it will be a shootout. I see more of a chase. The Cali Ghost will be chasing One Shot. Holla!


-michigan400 :

I actually see Ghost having a chance in this one. Should be a good fight. Thurman looks to be in love with his power to me still. Kind of a wild slugger 1st and an awkward boxer 2nd. Ghost will give him a good fight and may pull the upset IMO. I'm just glad this will be on NBC and I won't have to watch it online after I already know who won. Kinda takes the excitement out of it.


-stormcentre :

Neither guy is too concerned about defence. That will make for both a few chin checks, and of course, it interesting. Wonder how much Guerrero has left. He's been doing it for a while without the stage and recognition that previously motivated him on. Then you have Keith, whom is quite rejuvenated and motivated right now, and he loves to send that right hand through. Maybe the question is; is Thurman a better challenge than Katsidis for Robert now? Or do we judge Robert on his last fight - where he (like Thurman in his last outing) struggled a little?


-Froggy :

Great match up like everyone has said, I lean towards Thurman, but this a step up in my opinion so nothing would surprise me ! If Thurman wins, he can compare a common opponent of Floyds to see how he might fare !


-The Commish :

I too, like several of you, see Guerrero going after Thurman from the opening bell and setting the pace. I think Thurman may get off to a quick lead, then let it slip away in the middle rounds. If there is a shootout, it will come later, as the legs of each guy begin to tire. I see Thurman taking it on a late-round TKO, with a busted-up but still-valiant Guerrero hanging in there. Gonna' love these fights on NBC. -Randy G.


-brownsugar :

the fierce, defiant, and vastly talented Robert "Keep Yer Powder Dry" Guererro is in a Horrible matchup in his March date with Keith Once-In-A-While Thurman. The former featherweight champ was a Mobile, Volume-Punching, Technical Marvel during his featherweight days. With each jump in weight class, his feet seem to become more rooted to the canvas.... we're talking roughly 6 weight classes ago by todays standards. On the other hand Keith destroyed the dangerous spoiler/slickster Carlos Quintana along with a few other tune ups at junior middleweight before melting down to the welterweight division. It will be revealed that Keith is an exponentially harder puncher than Guererro, .... who uses bar-room brawling tactics to soften his opponents if they fall short in the stick-and-move department, or are limited in the stamina department. Thurman is neither,... he can glide for 12 rounds with ease and he retains his power into the late rounds. He does get hit,... but his ratio of successfully landed punches to the amount of times he is touched by his opponent suggests a lot of forethought on the behalf of Keith in the defense department. Guererro is batting at more like 50-50 in the punches landed vs punches hit by department, As tough and resilient as Robert is,..... THIS IS A HORRIBLE MATCHUP FOR GUERERRO. Unless Guererro has found away to get his movement back..... he will most certainly be getting rocked by some extremely potent and vicious offence that will eventually override his own superbly managed recuperative powers. Those expecting a "Come To Jesus Meeting" of biblical proportions please relax your expectations. once Keith starts finding the mark by the early to middle rounds..... the only thing you'll witness is one sickening thud after another as the impending slaughter ensues until the ref is forced to intervene and rescue the proud warrior and family man. Gotta give Guererro credit, he's accepting a fight that 90% of the welterweight division has been keen to avoid. I wish him the best. but he's not going to come close to winning this fight. Have you heard of the expression "Showcase" That is going to be Guererro's role in this fight.


-stormcentre :

OMG - you have depicted poor Guerrero's career as a picturesque landscape with Thurman as the dark and impending thunderclouds hanging over the mountains; ready to blow and bellow down in 40 day biblical proportions . Has Thurman any notable experience with southpaws? Does anyone know.


-brownsugar :

OMG - you have depicted poor Guerrero's career as a picturesque landscape with Thurman as the dark and impending thunderclouds hanging over the mountains; ready to blow and bellow down in 40 day biblical proportions . Has Thurman any notable experience with southpaws? Does anyone know.
Yes he has Storm,.... Carlos Quintana, former Olympian and spoiler supreme. Carlos had just destroyed perennial prospect, Deandre Lattimore, giving him a loss that he never came back from. The win bolstered Quintana's rollercoaster career and put him dead center in the thick of things, Carlos has always been a savvy technician, but an inconsistent one. If you remember he administered a clinical shellacking to Paul Williams only to get KO'd early in the rematch. Thurman Punished him for 5 rounds and finished him off with a body shot....... easy peasy. Guererro is not a tricky southpaw,... but he brings True Grit to the ring. but in order to capitalize, the opponent must agree to wage trench warfare, and Thurman is not hampered by the limitations that plagued Berto. Thurman's worst fight was against the French Survival expert he fought in his last outing where he was surprisingly reserved and the fight went to a boring one sided decision against the French version of the Jimmy Young of the welterweight division. Thurman also knows that he must get his groove back,... that's why he's currently been dubbed "once in a while" Thurman. unfortunately his path back to being the premiere action - attraction in the welterweight division is through the bloody merciless and violent beatdown Keith must unleash against Mr Guererro. If I don't sound like my usual humble self, it's because the "Force" is very strong with Keith for this fight. I hope Guererro is being well compensated.


-deepwater2 :

Yes he has Storm,.... Carlos Quintana, former Olympian and spoiler supreme. Carlos had just destroyed perennial prospect, Deandre Lattimore, giving him a loss that he never came back from. The win bolstered Quintana's rollercoaster career and put him dead center in the thick of things, Carlos has always been a savvy technician, but an inconsistent one. If you remember he administered a clinical shellacking to Paul Williams only to get KO'd early in the rematch. Thurman Punished him for 5 rounds and finished him off with a body shot....... easy peasy. Guererro is not a tricky southpaw,... but he brings True Grit to the ring. but in order to capitalize, the opponent must agree to wage trench warfare, and Thurman is not hampered by the limitations that plagued Berto. Thurman's worst fight was against the French Survival expert he fought in his last outing where he was surprisingly reserved and the fight went to a boring one sided decision against the French version of the Jimmy Young of the welterweight division. Thurman also knows that he must get his groove back,... that's why he's currently been dubbed "once in a while" Thurman. unfortunately his path back to being the premiere action - attraction in the welterweight division is through the bloody merciless and violent beatdown Keith must unleash against Mr Guererro. If I don't sound like my usual humble self, it's because the "Force" is very strong with Keith for this fight. I hope Guererro is being well compensated.
You see the force. This card is set up to leave the audience saying wow , we want more. If this turns out to be a dance contest it will be a bad investment. The man behind the curtain needs a Big Bang.


-brownsugar :

And they will Deep, at the expense of the Losers who will be in their dressing rooms postfight, scratching their heads,..... wondering where it all went wrong.


-stormcentre :

Yes he has Storm,.... Carlos Quintana, former Olympian and spoiler supreme. Carlos had just destroyed perennial prospect, Deandre Lattimore, giving him a loss that he never came back from. The win bolstered Quintana's rollercoaster career and put him dead center in the thick of things, Carlos has always been a savvy technician, but an inconsistent one. If you remember he administered a clinical shellacking to Paul Williams only to get KO'd early in the rematch. Thurman Punished him for 5 rounds and finished him off with a body shot....... easy peasy. Guererro is not a tricky southpaw,... but he brings True Grit to the ring. but in order to capitalize, the opponent must agree to wage trench warfare, and Thurman is not hampered by the limitations that plagued Berto. Thurman's worst fight was against the French Survival expert he fought in his last outing where he was surprisingly reserved and the fight went to a boring one sided decision against the French version of the Jimmy Young of the welterweight division. Thurman also knows that he must get his groove back,... that's why he's currently been dubbed "once in a while" Thurman. unfortunately his path back to being the premiere action - attraction in the welterweight division is through the bloody merciless and violent beatdown Keith must unleash against Mr Guererro. If I don't sound like my usual humble self, it's because the "Force" is very strong with Keith for this fight. I hope Guererro is being well compensated.
Despite my earlier posts that appear pro Guerrero; I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on how Thurman may deal with Robert. However, Carlos Quintana, really had been KO'd, stopped, and/or beaten up by a few top level guys by the time Thurman got to him, and as such the blueprint was there on how a 12 round, fit, puncher/boxer, can beat him. Still, Carlos Quintana, is not exactly an easy night out - you still have to work for the "W", and as you rightly say he is a notable lefty that Thurman has handled - which is all I asked for. That said, I do believe Quintana was (as a championship level fighter, and particularly when faced with a guy that seemed to have his number) psychologically shot when (and perhaps before) Thurman fought him. As prior to Keith Thurman Quintana was stopped by; Cotto, Williams and Berto. And some of those fights were particularly brutal on Carlos - to the point where I really, genuinely, felt sorry for him and the choices he made. But, I note also, you have dropped the caveats in there regarding Carlos Quintana; "inconsistent" and "roller coaster career". I hadn't seen that as I first skipped through your post and started responding. One thing's for sure, the way Thurman predictably (and sometimes desperately) extends and hurls his right hand through the pipeline; it's either going to be a good thing for Guerrero - or a bad thing. I can't see it being too good if the Thurman right hands land too often. Anyway, this is why I said above that I'm just not sure how much Guerrero has left. Agree with what you say about Guerrero; not being too tricky, bringing grit to the ring, and usually requiring - in order to capitalize - his opponent to engage in trench warfare; as all that was pretty clear from some stages of the Guerrero V Berto fight, and most of the Guerrero V Mayweather fight. I was impressed with how Guerrero handled Berto though; especially a juiced a version (of Berto). I need to have a look at Robert and Thurman's last fights - which probably won't happen too soon - before I get too involved in a prediction. But I will say this; a) Thurman, when in deep and/or with capable and experienced guys, is no super-tricky genius in the ring either. (Standard level) tricky maybe (if there's such a thing). Also; powerful (in an open way; for top level and fast guys) and troublingly energetic yes. Even though I liked how he stormed through Karass and Chaves; I'm not sure how he and his game-plan stay together when he has to hold decent shots. Hard criticism yes I know - but the same goes for Guerrero, and this is one reason why certain guys don't develop overly technical styles - as (unless you're a slickster like Floyd, or a bit below {in terms of style if not accomplishments} Collazo) it can all go out the window when the expected unexpected things go down in a fight; like catching a big shot late in the late rounds). b) Robert's power and resilience with a guy like Thurman, right now at this stage of Guerrero's career, is in question for me. I say it like that because throughout Guerrero's career he has successfully faced enough different styles such that Thurman brings nothing he hasn't seen before - but possibly something he, now, and at this weight, might not be able to surmount. Finally, I think Guerrero - as a lefty - will probably represent one of the few top level southpaws Thurman has faced in his pro career. As - aside from Quintana - I am not sure there are many other experienced leftys there on his record. Your thoughts on my thoughts? Good post on your part though.


-stormcentre :

Yes he has Storm,.... Carlos Quintana, former Olympian and spoiler supreme. Carlos had just destroyed perennial prospect, Deandre Lattimore, giving him a loss that he never came back from. The win bolstered Quintana's rollercoaster career and put him dead center in the thick of things, Carlos has always been a savvy technician, but an inconsistent one. If you remember he administered a clinical shellacking to Paul Williams only to get KO'd early in the rematch. Thurman Punished him for 5 rounds and finished him off with a body shot....... easy peasy. Guererro is not a tricky southpaw,... but he brings True Grit to the ring. but in order to capitalize, the opponent must agree to wage trench warfare, and Thurman is not hampered by the limitations that plagued Berto. Thurman's worst fight was against the French Survival expert he fought in his last outing where he was surprisingly reserved and the fight went to a boring one sided decision against the French version of the Jimmy Young of the welterweight division. Thurman also knows that he must get his groove back,... that's why he's currently been dubbed "once in a while" Thurman. unfortunately his path back to being the premiere action - attraction in the welterweight division is through the bloody merciless and violent beatdown Keith must unleash against Mr Guererro. If I don't sound like my usual humble self, it's because the "Force" is very strong with Keith for this fight. I hope Guererro is being well compensated.
Despite my earlier posts that appear pro Guerrero; I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on how Thurman may deal with Robert. However, Carlos Quintana, really had been KO'd, stopped, and/or beaten up by a few top level guys by the time Thurman got to him, and as such the blueprint was there on how a 12 round, fit, puncher/boxer, can beat him. Still, Carlos Quintana, is not exactly an easy night out - you still have to work for the "W", and as you rightly say he is a notable lefty that Thurman has handled - which is all I asked for. That said, I do believe Quintana was (as a championship level fighter, and particularly when faced with a guy that seemed to have his number) psychologically shot when (and perhaps before) Thurman fought him. As prior to Keith Thurman Quintana was stopped by; Cotto, Williams and Berto. And some of those fights were particularly brutal on Carlos - to the point where I really, genuinely, felt sorry for him and the choices he made. But, I note also, you have dropped the caveats in there regarding Carlos Quintana; "inconsistent" and "roller coaster career". I hadn't seen that as I first skipped through your post and started responding. One thing's for sure, the way Thurman predictably (and sometimes desperately) extends and hurls his right hand through the pipeline; it's either going to be a good thing for Guerrero - or a bad thing. I can't see it being too good if the Thurman right hands land too often. Anyway, this is why I said above that I'm just not sure how much Guerrero has left. Agree with what you say about Guerrero; not being too tricky, bringing grit to the ring, and usually requiring - in order to capitalize - his opponent to engage in trench warfare; as all that was pretty clear from some stages of the Guerrero V Berto fight, and most of the Guerrero V Mayweather fight. I was impressed with how Guerrero handled Berto though; especially a juiced a version (of Berto). I need to have a look at Robert and Thurman's last fights - which probably won't happen too soon - before I get too involved in a prediction. But I will say this;
A) Thurman, when in deep and/or with capable and experienced guys, is no super-tricky genius in the ring either. (Standard level) tricky maybe (if there's such a thing). Also; powerful (in an open way; for top level and fast guys) and troublingly energetic yes. Even though I liked how he stormed through Karass and Chaves; I'm not sure how he and his game-plan stay together when he has to hold decent shots. Hard criticism yes I know - but the same goes for Guerrero, and this is one reason why certain guys don't develop overly technical styles - as (unless you're a slickster like Floyd, or a bit below {in terms of style if not accomplishments} Collazo) it can all go out the window when the expected unexpected things go down in a fight; like catching a big shot late in the late rounds).
B) Robert's power and resilience with a guy like Thurman, right now at this stage of Guerrero's career, is in question for me. I say it like that because throughout Guerrero's career he has successfully faced enough different styles such that Thurman brings nothing he hasn't seen before - but possibly something he, now, and at this weight, might not be able to surmount. Finally, I think Guerrero - as a lefty - will probably represent one of the few top level southpaws Thurman has faced in his pro career. As - aside from Quintana - I am not sure there are many other experienced leftys there on his record. Your thoughts on my thoughts? Good post on your part though.


-stormcentre :

A) Thurman, when in deep and/or with capable and experienced guys, is no super-tricky genius in the ring either. (Standard level) tricky maybe - if there's such a thing. Also, yes, Keith is powerful (in an open way; for top level and fast guys) and troublingly energetic. Even though I liked how he stormed through Karass and Chaves; I'm not sure how he and his game-plan stay together when he has to hold decent shots. Hard criticism yes I know - but the same goes for Guerrero, and this is one reason why certain guys don't develop overly technical styles - as (unless you're a slickster like Floyd, or a bit below {in terms of style if not accomplishments} Collazo) it can all go out the window when the expected unexpected things go down in a fight; like catching a big shot late in the late rounds. B) Robert's power and resilience with a guy like Thurman, right now at this stage of Guerrero's career, is in question for me. I say it like that because throughout Guerrero's career he has successfully faced enough different styles such that Thurman brings nothing he hasn't seen before - but possibly something he, now, and at this weight, might not be able to surmount. Finally, I think Guerrero - as a lefty - will probably represent one of the few top level southpaws Thurman has faced in his pro career. As - aside from Quintana - I am not sure there are many other experienced lefties there on his record. If Guerrero can?t hurt and earn Thurman?s respect I think it will be a long night, but with that said Robert does have a sneaky left cross ? but I am not sure what power it?s carrying now, at this weight, and at this level.


-stormcentre :

Yes he has Storm,.... Carlos Quintana, former Olympian and spoiler supreme. Carlos had just destroyed perennial prospect, Deandre Lattimore, giving him a loss that he never came back from. The win bolstered Quintana's rollercoaster career and put him dead center in the thick of things, Carlos has always been a savvy technician, but an inconsistent one. If you remember he administered a clinical shellacking to Paul Williams only to get KO'd early in the rematch. Thurman Punished him for 5 rounds and finished him off with a body shot....... easy peasy. Guererro is not a tricky southpaw,... but he brings True Grit to the ring. but in order to capitalize, the opponent must agree to wage trench warfare, and Thurman is not hampered by the limitations that plagued Berto. Thurman's worst fight was against the French Survival expert he fought in his last outing where he was surprisingly reserved and the fight went to a boring one sided decision against the French version of the Jimmy Young of the welterweight division. Thurman also knows that he must get his groove back,... that's why he's currently been dubbed "once in a while" Thurman. unfortunately his path back to being the premiere action - attraction in the welterweight division is through the bloody merciless and violent beatdown Keith must unleash against Mr Guererro. If I don't sound like my usual humble self, it's because the "Force" is very strong with Keith for this fight. I hope Guererro is being well compensated.
Don't worry about being humble BS - your opinions, no matter whether they're low key or out there, are always welcome, appreciated and read. You have some good insight into the game. Despite my earlier posts that appear pro Guerrero; I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on how Thurman may deal with Robert. However, Carlos Quintana, really had been KO'd, stopped, and/or beaten up by a few top level guys by the time Thurman got to him, and as such the blueprint was there on how a 12 round, fit, puncher/boxer, can beat him. Still, Carlos Quintana, is not exactly an easy night out - you still have to work for the "W", and as you rightly say he is a notable lefty that Thurman has handled - which is all I asked for. That said, I do believe Quintana was (as a championship level fighter, and particularly when faced with a guy that seemed to have his number) psychologically shot when (and perhaps before) Thurman fought him. As prior to Keith Thurman Quintana was stopped by; Cotto, Williams and Berto. And some of those fights were particularly brutal on Carlos - to the point where I really, genuinely, felt sorry for him and the choices he made. But, I note also, you have dropped the caveats in there regarding Carlos Quintana; "inconsistent" and "roller coaster career". I hadn't seen that as I first skipped through your post and started responding. One thing's for sure, the way Thurman predictably (and sometimes desperately) extends and hurls his right hand through the pipeline; it's either going to be a good thing for Guerrero - or a bad thing. I can't see it being too good if the Thurman right hands land too often. Anyway, this is why I said above that I'm just not sure how much Guerrero has left. Agree with what you say about Guerrero; not being too tricky, bringing grit to the ring, and usually requiring - in order to capitalize - his opponent to engage in trench warfare; as all that was pretty clear from some stages of the Guerrero V Berto fight, and most of the Guerrero V Mayweather fight. I was impressed with how Guerrero handled Berto though; especially a juiced a version (of Berto). I need to have a look at Robert and Thurman's last fights - which probably won't happen too soon - before I get too involved in a prediction. But I will say this;
A) Thurman: Thurman, when in deep and/or with capable and experienced guys, is no super-tricky genius in the ring either. (Standard level) tricky maybe - if there's such a thing. Also, yes, Keith is powerful (in an open way; for top level and fast guys) and troublingly energetic. Even though I liked how he stormed through Karass and Chaves; I'm not sure how he and his game-plan stay together when he has to hold decent shots. Hard criticism yes I know - but the same goes for Guerrero, and this is one reason why certain guys don't develop overly technical styles - as (unless you're a slickster like Floyd, or a bit below {in terms of style if not accomplishments} Collazo) it can all go out the window when the expected unexpected things go down in a fight; like catching a big shot late in the late rounds.
B) Guerrero: Robert's power and resilience with a guy like Thurman, right now at this stage of Guerrero's career, is in question for me. I say it like that because throughout Guerrero's career he has successfully faced enough different styles such that Thurman brings nothing he hasn't seen before - but possibly something he, now, and at this weight, might not be able to surmount. Additionally, I think Guerrero - as a lefty - will probably represent one of the few top level southpaws Thurman has faced in his pro career. As - aside from Quintana - I am not sure there are many other experienced lefties there on his record. Finally, if Guerrero can?t hurt and earn Thurman?s respect I think it will be a long night, but with that said Robert does have a sneaky left cross ? but I am not sure what power it?s carrying now, at this weight, and at this level. Your thoughts on my thoughts? Good post on your part though.


-brownsugar :

Don't worry about being humble BS - your opinions, no matter whether they're low key or out there, are always welcome, appreciated and read. You have some good insight into the game. Despite my earlier posts that appear pro Guerrero; I am not necessarily disagreeing with you on how Thurman may deal with Robert. However, Carlos Quintana, really had been KO'd, stopped, and/or beaten up by a few top level guys by the time Thurman got to him, and as such the blueprint was there on how a 12 round, fit, puncher/boxer, can beat him. Still, Carlos Quintana, is not exactly an easy night out - you still have to work for the "W", and as you rightly say he is a notable lefty that Thurman has handled - which is all I asked for. That said, I do believe Quintana was (as a championship level fighter, and particularly when faced with a guy that seemed to have his number) psychologically shot when (and perhaps before) Thurman fought him. As prior to Keith Thurman Quintana was stopped by; Cotto, Williams and Berto. And some of those fights were particularly brutal on Carlos - to the point where I really, genuinely, felt sorry for him and the choices he made. But, I note also, you have dropped the caveats in there regarding Carlos Quintana; "inconsistent" and "roller coaster career". I hadn't seen that as I first skipped through your post and started responding. One thing's for sure, the way Thurman predictably (and sometimes desperately) extends and hurls his right hand through the pipeline; it's either going to be a good thing for Guerrero - or a bad thing. I can't see it being too good if the Thurman right hands land too often. Anyway, this is why I said above that I'm just not sure how much Guerrero has left. Agree with what you say about Guerrero; not being too tricky, bringing grit to the ring, and usually requiring - in order to capitalize - his opponent to engage in trench warfare; as all that was pretty clear from some stages of the Guerrero V Berto fight, and most of the Guerrero V Mayweather fight. I was impressed with how Guerrero handled Berto though; especially a juiced a version (of Berto). I need to have a look at Robert and Thurman's last fights - which probably won't happen too soon - before I get too involved in a prediction. But I will say this;
A) Thurman: Thurman, when in deep and/or with capable and experienced guys, is no super-tricky genius in the ring either. (Standard level) tricky maybe - if there's such a thing. Also, yes, Keith is powerful (in an open way; for top level and fast guys) and troublingly energetic. Even though I liked how he stormed through Karass and Chaves; I'm not sure how he and his game-plan stay together when he has to hold decent shots. Hard criticism yes I know - but the same goes for Guerrero, and this is one reason why certain guys don't develop overly technical styles - as (unless you're a slickster like Floyd, or a bit below {in terms of style if not accomplishments} Collazo) it can all go out the window when the expected unexpected things go down in a fight; like catching a big shot late in the late rounds.
B) Guerrero: Robert's power and resilience with a guy like Thurman, right now at this stage of Guerrero's career, is in question for me. I say it like that because throughout Guerrero's career he has successfully faced enough different styles such that Thurman brings nothing he hasn't seen before - but possibly something he, now, and at this weight, might not be able to surmount. Additionally, I think Guerrero - as a lefty - will probably represent one of the few top level southpaws Thurman has faced in his pro career. As - aside from Quintana - I am not sure there are many other experienced lefties there on his record. Finally, if Guerrero can?t hurt and earn Thurman?s respect I think it will be a long night, but with that said Robert does have a sneaky left cross ? but I am not sure what power it?s carrying now, at this weight, and at this level. Your thoughts on my thoughts? Good post on your part though.
Yes, I find no errors in your opinion, what you've said is logical and since they haven't fought, I'd sound like a fool trying to question your intelligence, because anything can happen in the ring... we can't deny that Guererro's chin hasn't been rock solid, he was blasted with both guns from Kamagia, Berto, and Selcuk enough times to force a normal guy to hit the showers early. but he was forced to absorb a massive amount of punishment along the way in both of those impressive victories. He gave as good as he got as he staggered off with the win. The problem is, if he fights a war of attrition with Thurman, he'll be setting himself up to absorb more than a few of Thurman's best sunday punches delivered with more bad intention than he's ever had to endure thus far. And as you said, he'll have to display some super human virtue to escape the consequences. but it's a good fight, two top flight opponents who don't know the meaning of quit, and aren't accustomed to losing. I think Guererro will hit the deck for the first time (that I've seen him do so) and will attempt to muster all the courage and determination he can summon to eake out a victory. But I doubt that Pops Guererro will be calling Thurman a chicken like he did Mayweather after the fight... and I hope he has the courage to pull the plug for his son's sake if and when the time comes. Wouldn't be too shocked if Guererro went all twelve if he reverts back to the fundamental. I mean the fundamental he can still perform at welterweight. Guererro seems to have lost his ability to move the way he used to at featherweight. Thanks for the well thought out response.


-stormcentre :

Good stuff. Thurman does have a little bit more power, and perhaps enthusiasm, than most Robert has recently fought. Thurman is a bit of a handful and quite the bully in there, unless you're a guy that's comfortable with other guy's aggressiveness and can use that to your own effect; which Floyd is, and Guerrero kind of was and maybe still is, a bit. Recently though, the required amounts of athleticism, power and reflexes don't always seem to be there in Robert; for him to counter and tame Keith, and earn his respect. The opportunities will be though, as Keith (like Robert) is no defensive wizard; so there are a lot of oblique and angular openings for counters - even for guys that aren't lefties.