Stiverne Trainer House Had No Clue Why Bermane Was So Off His Game

It’s only fair and right to give due credit to the man who got the W, focus on his excellence, rather than on the deficiencies of the loser, what the guy who got the L didn’t do. I found myself pondering that topic as I mulled over Deontay Wilders’ win over Bermane Stiverne on Saturday night in Vegas, the night that Wilder over-delivered to an audience which was heavily prepared to see his balloon busted.

I reached out to Wilder’s trainer, the humble and candid Mark Breland, who told me that Wilder should get 90% credit for what he did, and that 10% of the victory has to be filtered thru what Stiverne didn’t do. And he didn’t do a lot.

Because say what you will about the Haitian hitter, say that he’s no all-time great, sure. But he wasn’t on message, not from the get go, from what I saw on Showtime…and while what Wilder brought to the table, a stabbing jab, smart movement, exemplary focus and defensive sagacity, was immense, Stiverne’s showing was a heavy-duty example of under-delivering.

Don’t want to believe me, then check out what his trainer Don House, a fightgame lifer who has helmed Vince Phillips, Diego Corrales, Freddie Norwood, Frankie Liles, Eric Harmon, and many more, said to TSS.

First, off, he told me that as of Monday, Stiverne was still in a Vegas hospital, being treated for dehydration. He has been there with the man who he looked at in bewilderment on Saturday. “I thought to myself, ‘Who is this guy? Who is in that ring?’ House told me, about the evening in which the 36-year-old simply wasn’t getting off, and wasn’t doing basically anything he’d showed in training camp. “I thought to myself, ‘Did someone pay him off?’ ‘Did someone threaten him? This ain’t Bermane.’

I said to him (during the fight), ‘You OK? Something ain’t right.”’

The guy who was capable of putting punches together, at least three at a time, on a Chris Arreola, could barely unleash one. And sure, the Wilder jab and movement and length and height and power factored in. Big time.

But around round three, or four, House expected Stiverne to step up, get busier. It didn’t come.

Thinking back, he noted that Stiverne didn’t get a sweat up properly in the dressing room. Did he have some flu bug that was sapping his energy and draining his system, to the point that he couldn’t pee for two hours while trying to give a PED-test sample post-fight?

“He can be a slow starter,” said House, age 52, a Vegas resident since ’78, who now spends a lot of time as a UFC cut man. “He felt his power, but Bermane was strong, in shape. We worked hard for Wilder, for sure. I really thought, ‘Did someone threaten him or pay him?”

Stiverne never told House he was so off; “I saw it in his eyes. His face told me he couldn’t get off. ”

In the dressing room, it looked like there was blood in his urine, but House said a doc told them it was from dehydration. So he went right to the hospital.

Stiverne after theorized maybe he overtrained. Hey, it happens. A guy can’t typically push himself at 36 as he did at 26….But no, House said, he’s had lengthy camps before. The trainer said he thought about pulling the plug around the ninth or tenth, when he just knew the kid didn’t have it. But Stiverne fought on, wanted to keep on keeping on.

“I do want to give Wilder all credit. He fought like an effing king. He showed up!”

That inability to cut off the ring, the way Stiverne walked Wilder down, but didn’t cut him off at the pass…House for sure knows how to teach that skill, and he says Stiverne more energized could have and would have done it. But it takes that extra bit of alley-oop, to slide into position, and it wasn’t there.

Stiverne isn’t done, he said. The fighter and Don King chatted at length after, and plotted out a comeback plan. Two or so fights, then another crack at Wilder would be ideal, House said.

“Hats off to Wilder,” House said in closing.

Yep, the big man does deserve all the plaudits. But it did bear asking, as I had seen Stiverne look a heckuva lot better and more energized before. Does it go differently in a rematch? Who the heck knows, and who knows if Stiverne gets the chance.

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COMMENTS

-brownsugar :

OMG.... I can't believe we are still getting even more excuses and detailed reasons for Stivernes loss after he just fought one of the most exciting heavyweight bouts in recent history. Stiverne expended more energy walking through a minefield of enough right hand bombs to knock out a half dozen men......and staying upright (and concious) while missing tons haymakers than any of his fights to date... It was herculean effort on his behalf just to reach the final bell while occasionally making himself a nuisance. Now that he's been softened up I wouldn't be surprised to see Stiverne getting stopped the next time he steps up. It would be better to accept defeat with dignity and plan for the future because theres no way to change the past.


-oubobcat :

I think we have to give credit where credit is due here and a big reason why Stiverne was off his game was Wilder. Stiverne fought very cautiously. He appeared throughout the fight to be unwilling to cut the ring down and get into range to let his hands go. Why? Well I think he was hesitant to press forward and get in that zone where Wilder could connect. Stiverne read the press clippings about Wilder's power and then tasted it for himself. He did not want to press forward and put himself in Wilder's range. So he fought hesitantly and almost looked like his feet were stuck in mud at times. The jab that Wilder throw as well kept Stiverne's timing off. It was more about what Wilder did and the power that Wilder's possesses in that right hand than what Stiverne didn't do. Wilder has a shot to do some very damage in the heavyweight division and become a star in this sport. And its a good thing to have a star with drawing power who is a heavyweight.


-Carmine Cas :

That's unfortunate for Stiverne, it happens but that shouldn't take credit away from Wilder. There was no catchweight, they were fighting at heavyweight. Stiverne should be responsible for monitoring his nutrition and conditioning. If he can't, then hire a better strength and conditioning. I mean it happens, it's unfortunate. But he should have prepped better for the biggest fight of his career.


-deepwater2 :

Did someone threaten him or pay him? That has never ever happened in history of sports. BS sure did talk a lot during the fight. He should have saved the energy. I was surprised BS didn't Bob and weave or go to the body more. My fingers are crossed that Fury gets the call. Tarver or Slpitza would be a downer.


-Radam G :

As I've said, B-Ware is not just built that way. He's on a bad diet. And that is worse than being on dat syet. If you want to be a long-lasting champ, you cannot eat like an over-stuffed-on-bad-food tramp. B-Ware had the wrong type of camp. He should have had a nutritionist telling him what, when and how much to drink and eat. I have no doubts that meant the difference between victory and defeat. That's right! And that is the most important part of any fight. Holla!


-DaveB :

That is the problem with trying to predict these fights. You try to gleam what the guys are capable of from viewing into their past and then the inexplicable happens because someone else shows up. To me it looked like Bermane displayed pop in his punches but didn't even try to cut off the ring. True he didn't move his rock and Wilder teed off on him. He showed unbelievable toughness taking those shots the way he did. Those punches in the first round before the bell to end the round had his whole body rocking back and forth before he went down taking Wilder with him. And when Wilder had him hurt a few rounds later and though he could close the show he couldn't. I'll give Stiverne credit as being a man but he didn't try to execute his plan in any way, shape or form. I will love seeing Wilder in the with another tall man like himself where he will not be able to lean back on the ropes or keep distance. Not hating Wilder but any means, I just want to see it.


-brownsugar :

That is the problem with trying to predict these fights. You try to gleam what the guys are capable of from viewing into their past and then the inexplicable happens because someone else shows up. To me it looked like Bermane displayed pop in his punches but didn't even try to cut off the ring. True he didn't move his rock and Wilder teed off on him. He showed unbelievable toughness taking those shots the way he did. Those punches in the first round before the bell to end the round had his whole body rocking back and forth before he went down taking Wilder with him. And when Wilder had him hurt a few rounds later and though he could close the show he couldn't. I'll give Stiverne credit as being a man but he didn't try to execute his plan in any way, shape or form. I will love seeing Wilder in the with another tall man like himself where he will not be able to lean back on the ropes or keep distance. Not hating Wilder but any means, I just want to see it.
How true DaveB. He went from being totally hesitant and shook .... to being utterly reckless (after his adrenalin was fully pumped) ...as if he could obtain a moral victory by defiantly trying to walk through Wilders punches. Then the jaw-boning began. Hey, if you can't beat em, try to Hit em' with your insults. I'm sure that had something to do with his swollen face (which surely got worse overnight ) and his trip to the doctors office.


-Radam G :

That is the problem with trying to predict these fights. You try to gleam what the guys are capable of from viewing into their past and then the inexplicable happens because someone else shows up. To me it looked like Bermane displayed pop in his punches but didn't even try to cut off the ring. True he didn't move his rock and Wilder teed off on him. He showed unbelievable toughness taking those shots the way he did. Those punches in the first round before the bell to end the round had his whole body rocking back and forth before he went down taking Wilder with him. And when Wilder had him hurt a few rounds later and though he could close the show he couldn't. I'll give Stiverne credit as being a man but he didn't try to execute his plan in any way, shape or form. I will love seeing Wilder in the with another tall man like himself where he will not be able to lean back on the ropes or keep distance. Not hating Wilder but any means, I just want to see it.
B-Ware should have feinted more head shots, instead of head hunting. And he should have been shooting to the body while D-Wild was leaning straight back from the punches. And then all at once, KABOOM! A left hook cracked to the leaning-in dome. Down goes, D-Wild! WTF! I don't know what House is talking about, but the corner lack of seeing and just looking lost the fight. When B-Ware went to the body, D-Wild would bend and lean forward. That opportunities lost. Holla!


-stormcentre :

That is the problem with trying to predict these fights. You try to gleam what the guys are capable of from viewing into their past and then the inexplicable happens because someone else shows up. To me it looked like Bermane displayed pop in his punches but didn't even try to cut off the ring. True he didn't move his rock and Wilder teed off on him. He showed unbelievable toughness taking those shots the way he did. Those punches in the first round before the bell to end the round had his whole body rocking back and forth before he went down taking Wilder with him. And when Wilder had him hurt a few rounds later and though he could close the show he couldn't. I'll give Stiverne credit as being a man but he didn't try to execute his plan in any way, shape or form. I will love seeing Wilder in the with another tall man like himself where he will not be able to lean back on the ropes or keep distance. Not hating Wilder but any means, I just want to see it.
Yes you're right DaveB and that is why I very openly placed the caveat on my previous pieces in relation to both fighter's history as being only to assess the betting odds. It's also why I stated quite clearly that anyone can win. Cause at the end of the day you never know how the guys will train and show up on the night. That's said, the lack of urgency from Bermane was concerning. I expected a David Tua like performance from him. But, even in the latter rounds, when it became clear he was falling behind he seemed too gassed and/or not meaningfully concerned to bother about it. I think that contributed to Wilder's good (not great) performance also. I would love to know who Stiverne prepared with for Wilder's length and obvious strategy for the fight. I mean, I hope he didn't spar anyone that accurately emulated Wilder - because if he did (and he had his cardio down pat) then that's embarrassing. Not in the least as Stiverne hadn't expended that much energy by the halfway point of the fight to justify the lack of output on his behalf in the latter half of the fight. Not - in my opinion - for a WBC heavyweight title fight. One must always be very cautious about what conclusions are drawn from a revisionists approach to future events. And when you do that the historical analysis often performs for you quite well. In my case I stated that the odds were too wide for Wilder as most that backed him claimed he would KO Stiverne. I'll leave the rest up to TSS and it's readers. By the way - you and I - as forum communicators go back about 5 years - not sure if you know that or not - but we used to banter when TSS website was red and white. Hope you had a great Xmas and NY.


-DaveB :

Good comments B Sug and Radam. Yes walking and talking his way through those shots was stupid. It did indeed got him a trip to the hospital. Forget dehydration he needed a brain scan regardless just to be on the safe side. And some good hard body shots would have doubled over Wilder. The fight was frustrating to watch because I wanted to see both guys do their best. One guy fought beyond all expectations the other guy fought beneath all expectations and in doing so made it easier for the other guy to fight beyond anything he has ever done. Very underwhelming.


-DaveB :

Storm, I'm wondering if Stiverne was over confident to the point of being arrogant. It seems more and more like that. He may have been too confident in the fact that he didn't think Wilder could take a punch. I'm sure he figured after Wilder felt his power he would cave after a couple rounds or after getting hit the first time. His training may have suffered from his over confidence and like Radam said his diet was probably awful. I know we've been around this forum for a long time. I don't post as much as you guys, obviously, but I have been around for a long time. I read on here everyday. Since I've been around this website has gone through three major changes in about eight or nine years. I remember it going down the first time and I thought it was gone forever because it suddenly disappeared one day and there was no explanation why. It stated something about the website being discontinued. Nothing was mentioned about it coming back. I kept it book marked and one day about two weeks later it suddenly reappeared under a different format. Then, that one lasted a couple years and this latest one has been around for four years. It was good that Radam and the Roast kept this latest one going with their posts until everyone else got on board. Unfortunately we lost a lot of the old guys from years before but what can you do? Glad you are still here. Look at you now.


-stormcentre :

Storm, I'm wondering if Stiverne was over confident to the point of being arrogant. It seems more and more like that. He may have been too confident in the fact that he didn't think Wilder could take a punch. I'm sure he figured after Wilder felt his power he would cave after a couple rounds or after getting hit the first time. His training may have suffered from his over confidence and like Radam said his diet was probably awful. I know we've been around this forum for a long time. I don't post as much as you guys, obviously, but I have been around for a long time. I read on here everyday. Since I've been around this website has gone through three major changes in about eight or nine years. I remember it going down the first time and I thought it was gone forever because it suddenly disappeared one day and there was no explanation why. It stated something about the website being discontinued. Nothing was mentioned about it coming back. I kept it book marked and one day about two weeks later it suddenly reappeared under a different format. Then, that one lasted a couple years and this latest one has been around for four years. It was good that Radam and the Roast kept this latest one going with their posts until everyone else got on board. Unfortunately we lost a lot of the old guys from years before but what can you do? Glad you are still here. Look at you now.
Ah your post mad me laugh. Some parts were like we're in the mafia Yep "look at me now" - I'm a "made" (moderating) man. :) I just woke up one day and it "moderator" was there - obviously by choice of the owner - but that's how it kindly happened. To your other comments;
Stiverne being arrogantly confident; you might be right. I mean he didn't even show the interest, desperation, and effort that he did in the Arreloa fight. He may have slept on Wilder and/or thought he was not a 12 round fighter. Or perhaps he just looked at the fact that Wilder really hadn't fought anyone, and as such assumed that he would crumble when he finally met someone that would meaningfully punch back - as Wilder hasn't had too much of that either. One thing Bermane didn't do, was prepare very well for a long fight - in all senses of the word. I remain pretty confident that he didn't have a very good (training) camp - not to say it is anyone's fault but his. He didn't look like a guy that had just finished 3 months of really hard stamina training and sparring at the weigh in. As a matter of interest, about a day after I wrote the pieces on each guy's fighting history I was going to add to them and say that one concern I have about Bermane is how he seems to get into lulls during some fights, and coasts for a while - perhaps waiting too long for the ideal chance. Fighting lazily we used to call it. But I never got round to posting it. Getting back to my revision of both guys before the fight and upon request from BS; also, the Arreola factor (in Bermane's history) was overly complex and the dare I say it "Wild(er)" card. :) Sure Arreloa was a better guy to go into the fight with Wilder - than Gavern was for Wilder himself (if that makes sense). But whilst Arreola has been a top contender (in today's heavyweight sense of the word) his own record was littered with both really good guys (some obviously way better than Wilder and Wilder's opponents) and also a lot of questionable guys (that almost all of Arreloa's really good opponents themselves wouldn't have recently touched - Exception being Wladimir Klitscho) - just like Wilder and his opponents. But, just to make it more complex, Arreola was also much better than most of Wilder's opponents. Basically this and other considerations where why I made sure the pieces were about the betting odds rather than the fight's outcome. The only things I was pretty sure off was that Stiverne was probably not as overrated as Wilder, and that he could take a punch and had faced better fighters - but not to such a great extent that he had it in the bag. I also knew Wilder made a lot of mistakes but had gotten away with it due to; Al Haymon, his competition, his reach, and natural athletic ability - which (the latter 2) were some of the obstacles Stiverne needed to focus on. I wonder if that fight was the last fight in Stiverne's contract with King? There is a lot of loaded considerations for the last fight and the future, in that thought; if you know what I mean. Also, I wish I knew who Bermane sparred with, and how he trained; before the Wilder fight. I heard that some of it was at Mayweather's gym - but then that raises the question of who have they got that can seriously emulated Wilder there? I get the fact that Bermane is not a ripped guy anyway, but still, even slightly overweight-looking fighters have looked toned after a serious 3 month camp. Stiverne almost had (what appeared to be) bytch ****. All up, we can hypothesise and pontificate in both a revisionist and futurist manner all we like, but no matter what and despite how hard it is to tell what happened to Bermane before the fight, we do know what happened in it and a lot of that also had to do with Wilder.
Website changes; yes there has been a few. I am not sure I can remember the time the site was off air for a while. But then as I type that I somehow vaguely feel familiar with what you're saying .. . . not quite with the same kind of familiarity that comes with meeting a honey in the bar that opens up with; "hey didn't we hook up last summer". Personally, I liked the red and white colour scheme better, although I like the overall formatting we have now. Even though there are a few good ones, it's still the best boxing site out there in my (biased) opinion.


-stormcentre :

Storm, I'm wondering if Stiverne was over confident to the point of being arrogant. It seems more and more like that. He may have been too confident in the fact that he didn't think Wilder could take a punch. I'm sure he figured after Wilder felt his power he would cave after a couple rounds or after getting hit the first time. His training may have suffered from his over confidence and like Radam said his diet was probably awful. I know we've been around this forum for a long time. I don't post as much as you guys, obviously, but I have been around for a long time. I read on here everyday. Since I've been around this website has gone through three major changes in about eight or nine years. I remember it going down the first time and I thought it was gone forever because it suddenly disappeared one day and there was no explanation why. It stated something about the website being discontinued. Nothing was mentioned about it coming back. I kept it book marked and one day about two weeks later it suddenly reappeared under a different format. Then, that one lasted a couple years and this latest one has been around for four years. It was good that Radam and the Roast kept this latest one going with their posts until everyone else got on board. Unfortunately we lost a lot of the old guys from years before but what can you do? Glad you are still here. Look at you now.
Ah your post made me laugh. Some parts were like we're in the mafia Yep "look at me now" - I'm a "made" (moderating) man. :) I just woke up one day and it "moderator" was there - obviously by choice of the owner - but that's how it kindly happened. To your other comments;
Stiverne being arrogantly confident; you might be right. I mean he didn't even show the interest, desperation, and effort that he did in the Arreloa fight. He may have slept on Wilder and/or thought he was not a 12 round fighter. Or perhaps he just looked at the fact that Wilder really hadn't fought anyone, and as such assumed that he would crumble when he finally met someone that would meaningfully punch back - as Wilder hasn't had too much of that either. One thing Bermane didn't do, was prepare very well for a long fight - in all senses of the word. I remain pretty confident that he didn't have a very good (training) camp - not to say it is anyone's fault but his. He didn't look like a guy that had just finished 3 months of really hard stamina training and sparring at the weigh in. As a matter of interest, about a day after I wrote the pieces on each guy's fighting history I was going to add to them and say that one concern I have about Bermane is how he seems to get into lulls during some fights, and coasts for a while - perhaps waiting too long for the ideal chance. Fighting lazily we used to call it. But I never got round to posting it. Getting back to my revision of both guys before the fight and upon request from BS; also, the Arreola factor (in Bermane's history) was overly complex and the dare I say it "Wild(er)" card. :) Sure Arreloa was a better guy to go into the fight with Wilder - than Gavern was for Wilder himself (if that makes sense). But whilst Arreola has been a top contender (in today's heavyweight sense of the word) his own record was littered with both really good guys (some obviously way better than Wilder and Wilder's opponents) and also a lot of questionable guys (that almost all of Arreloa's really good opponents themselves wouldn't have recently touched - Exception being Wladimir Klitscho) - just like Wilder and his opponents. But, just to make it more complex, Arreola was also much better than most of Wilder's opponents. Basically this and other considerations where why I made sure the pieces were about the betting odds rather than the fight's outcome. The only things I was pretty sure off was that Stiverne was probably not as overrated as Wilder, and that he could take a punch and had faced better fighters - but not to such a great extent that he had it in the bag. I also knew Wilder made a lot of mistakes but had gotten away with it due to; Al Haymon, his competition, his reach, and natural athletic ability - which (the latter 2) were some of the obstacles Stiverne needed to focus on. I wonder if that fight was the last fight in Stiverne's contract with King? There is a lot of loaded considerations for the last fight and the future, in that thought; if you know what I mean. Also, I wish I knew who Bermane sparred with, and how he trained; before the Wilder fight. I heard that some of it was at Mayweather's gym - but then that raises the question of who have they got that can seriously emulated Wilder there? I get the fact that Bermane is not a ripped guy anyway, but still, even slightly overweight-looking fighters have looked toned after a serious 3 month camp. Stiverne almost had (what appeared to be) bytch teets. All up, we can hypothesise and pontificate in both a revisionist and futurist manner all we like, but no matter what and despite how hard it is to tell what happened to Bermane before the fight, we do know what happened in it and a lot of that also had to do with Wilder.
Website changes; yes there has been a few. I am not sure I can remember the time the site was off air for a while. But then as I type that I somehow vaguely feel familiar with what you're saying .. . . not quite with the same kind of familiarity that comes with meeting a honey in the bar that opens up with; "hey didn't we hook up last summer". Personally, I liked the red and white colour scheme better, although I like the overall formatting we have now. Even though there are a few good ones, it's still the best boxing site out there in my (biased) opinion.


-stormcentre :

Storm, I'm wondering if Stiverne was over confident to the point of being arrogant. It seems more and more like that. He may have been too confident in the fact that he didn't think Wilder could take a punch. I'm sure he figured after Wilder felt his power he would cave after a couple rounds or after getting hit the first time. His training may have suffered from his over confidence and like Radam said his diet was probably awful. I know we've been around this forum for a long time. I don't post as much as you guys, obviously, but I have been around for a long time. I read on here everyday. Since I've been around this website has gone through three major changes in about eight or nine years. I remember it going down the first time and I thought it was gone forever because it suddenly disappeared one day and there was no explanation why. It stated something about the website being discontinued. Nothing was mentioned about it coming back. I kept it book marked and one day about two weeks later it suddenly reappeared under a different format. Then, that one lasted a couple years and this latest one has been around for four years. It was good that Radam and the Roast kept this latest one going with their posts until everyone else got on board. Unfortunately we lost a lot of the old guys from years before but what can you do? Glad you are still here. Look at you now.
Ah your post made me laugh. Some parts were like we're in the mafia Yep "look at me now" - I'm a "made" (moderating) man. :) I just woke up one day and it "moderator" was there - obviously by choice of the owner - but that's how it kindly happened. To your other comments;
Stiverne being arrogantly confident; you might be right. I mean he didn't even show the interest, desperation, and effort that he did in the Arreloa fight. He may have slept on Wilder and/or thought he was not a 12 round fighter. Or perhaps he just looked at the fact that Wilder really hadn't fought anyone, and as such assumed that he would crumble when he finally met someone that would meaningfully punch back - as Wilder hasn't had too much of that either. One thing Bermane didn't do, was prepare very well for a long fight - in all senses of the word. I remain pretty confident that he didn't have a very good (training) camp - not to say it is anyone's fault but his. He didn't look like a guy that had just finished 3 months of really hard stamina training and sparring at the weigh in. As a matter of interest, about a day after I wrote the pieces on each guy's fighting history I was going to add to them and say that one concern I have about Bermane is how he seems to get into lulls during some fights, and coasts for a while - perhaps waiting too long for the ideal chance. Fighting lazily we used to call it. But I never got round to posting it. Getting back to my revision of both guys before the fight and upon request from BS; also, the Arreola factor (in Bermane's history) was overly complex and the dare I say it the "Wild(er)" card. :) Sure Arreloa was a better guy to go into the fight with Wilder - than Gavern was for Wilder himself (if that makes sense). But whilst Arreola has been a top contender (in today's heavyweight sense of the word) his own record was littered with both really good guys (some obviously way better than Wilder and Wilder's opponents) and also a lot of questionable guys (that almost all of Arreloa's really good opponents themselves wouldn't have recently touched - Exception being Wladimir Klitscho) - just like Wilder and his opponents. But, just to make it more complex, Arreola was also much better than most of Wilder's opponents. Basically this and other considerations where why I made sure the pieces were about the betting odds rather than the fight's outcome. The only things I was pretty sure of was that Stiverne was probably not overrated - certainly not as overrated as Wilder was. And that Stiverne could take a punch and had faced better fighters - but not to such a great extent that he had it in the bag against Wilder. I also knew Wilder made a lot of mistakes but had gotten away with it due to; Al Haymon, his competition, his reach, and natural athletic ability - which (the latter 2) were some of the obstacles Stiverne needed to focus on. I wonder if that fight was the last fight in Stiverne's contract with King? There is a lot of loaded considerations for the last fight and the future, in that thought; if you know what I mean. Also, I wish I knew who Bermane sparred with, and how he trained; before the Wilder fight. I heard that some of it was at Mayweather's gym - but then that raises the question of who have they got that can seriously emulated Wilder there? I get the fact that Bermane is not a ripped guy anyway, but still, even slightly overweight-looking fighters have looked toned after a serious 3 month camp. After all, at the weigh in Stiverne clearly had (what almost appeared to be) bytch teets. All up, we can hypothesise and pontificate in both a revisionist and futurist manner all we like - but no matter what and despite how hard it is to tell what happened to Bermane before the fight, we do know what happened in it and a lot of that also had to do with Wilder himself and the Commish openly willing him to win in these forums.
Website changes; yes there has been a few. I am not sure I can remember the time the site was off air for a while. But then as I type that I somehow vaguely feel familiar with what you're saying .. . . not quite with the same kind of familiarity that comes with meeting a honey in the bar that opens up with; "hey didn't we hook up last summer". Personally, I liked the red and white colour scheme better, although I like the overall formatting we have now. Even though there are a few good ones, it's still the best boxing site out there in my (biased) opinion.


-dino da vinci :

@DaveB & Storm. (In my best Marlon Brando as Vito Corleone voice) Yes, this thing of ours... Tomorrow I may address the down time mentioned above...which wasn't. :-)


-stormcentre :

@DaveB & Storm. (In my best Marlon Brando as Vito Corleone voice) Yes, this thing of ours... Tomorrow I may address the down time mentioned above...which wasn't. :-)
And just as we thought it was safe to relax . . . . the voice of the Godfather himself bellows through the STORMclouds in what can only be described as an Armageddon-Pacino-Scareface moment. The Don (I mean Dino) has spoken. :)