Roach Thinks Pacquiao-Mayweather Fight is “Very Close”

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before. Shoot, I wanna stop me, almost..

But Freddie Roach today seemed to me to be as optimistic as I’ve ever heard him about the prospects of a manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather fight being made, and for May, probably.

“I talked to Bob Arum yesterday,” the trainer told me today, while he watched his welter Chris Van Heerden, set to fight Friday on the first Roc Nation show, at the MSG Theater. “I think I’m getting close to saying it’s very close, I think we’re very close. We finally got Mayweather to speak back! That’s a good sign!”

We noted that Boxrec had the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight a go, for May 2, on Monday…and then that was taken down. Was that a flub…a pot stirrer…or a slight jumping of the gun, we discussed…

Roach told me he’s cool with Al Haymon, and wonders if he could maybe help this thing cross the finish line by getting on the horn with Al, as he was in mediator/facilitator mode when he brought Arum and Les Moonves together. “It’s close. I think I know for a fact that it’s closer than ever,” Roach said, repeating his theory that the Super Fight is thisclose to being cemented largely because Floyd wants all to know that his date is his date and nobody else can lay claim to it.

Hey, whatever is the catalyst to get us to the finish line after this endless period of flirtation, I will take it…

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COMMENTS

-brownsugar :

Hey,... I'll watch two PPV's just make it happen already.


-Skibbz :

I've been very close to doing somethings in the past but not all of them happened. How close is close? Is this more hot air...? 3 fights in 2015, 1 for the U.S. at the MGM, one for Europe at Wembley and one for the Far East in Macau. Come on sign already.


-Radam G :

Sana! But I bet anybody a bowl of Bird Nest Soup that Money May weasels out of the arse thrashing that Da Manny would going put on him. If Fam May and The Money Team think that "A-side Meth is awesome and danger inside a Pinoy, they haven't seen Jack, Jill or any pill of what a fifty-thousand-dollar bowl of Palawan under-sea cave "Bird Nest Soup" can do. With A-side Meth, Uncle Roger said we "be walking through bullets and sh*+." "Bullets be bouncing off dey @sse$," Uncle Roger said about Filipinos warriors in a fight that he claimed we Pinoys had against AmerKanos 500 years ago, when we were whuppin' invading Ashantes from Africa and Viking from Europe. A few $50,000 bowls of Bird Nest Soup might have us walking through fire and nuclear explosions. Hehehe! Da Manny kayos Money May. Bring it on. Sign the contract. Holla!


-Radam G :

BTW! "Bird Nest Soup" is one of the most expensive soups in the world. Holla!


-brownsugar :

BTW! "Bird Nest Soup" is one of the most expensive soups in the world. Holla!
I heard of it....what's in it? Some kind of rare fungus?


-Froggy :

I heard of it....what's in it? Some kind of rare fungus?
I just read it is bird spit, no doubt Radam can give the right answer !


-brownsugar :

[quote=froggy;73655]i just read it is bird spit, no doubt radam can give the right answer !

wtf!!!!


-Froggy :

wtf!!!!
My sentiments exactly !


-Radam G :

wtf!!!!
Hehehehe! The best bird spit you can ever taste. It gets your energy and libido working and working and working for a long time. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Nice


-brownsugar :

Hehehehe! The best bird spit you can ever taste. It gets your energy and libido working and working and working for a long time. Holla!
According to Wiki its high in calcium. iron and potassium. $2500 per kilogram. Wow.


-Radam G :

I heard of it....what's in it? Some kind of rare fungus?
Holla at this old video. It tells some about "Bird Nest Soup."
->http://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=Ld6rWwYNq3M. The best find of "Bird Nest Soup" is in the caves of the Philippines's island of Palawan. Instead of using roids and PEDs, Money May can quit fronting about his vampire facial blood doping and his hormone replacement treatment, and come and get some BNS. Even Marquez can quit turning into Hulkquez, and get off the roids made from the pituitary glands of cadavers. Holla!


-Radam G :

According to Wiki its high in calcium. iron and potassium. $2500 per kilogram. Wow.
Holla at 18:45 of the video of mysterious islands of the P-Islands on "Random Topics," you can hear it Is $10,000 a kilo here on Palawan. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

The Bradley vs. Pac II fight is an illustration of why I'm rolling with Money May! Bradley totally fought the wrong fight and was still able to land cleanly with some wild power shots, one of which lifted Pac off the ground. Also, similar to their first fight, Bradley made Pac miss horribly when he was on the ropes. Bradley is no Mayweather and Money would time Manny in a similar fashion to Marquez, but with much greater hand speed and skill. Money vs. Pac isn't a very close fight, Mayweather wins by a comfortable decision.


-amayseng :

The Bradley vs. Pac II fight is an illustration of why I'm rolling with Money May! Bradley totally fought the wrong fight and was still able to land cleanly with some wild power shots, one of which lifted Pac off the ground. Also, similar to their first fight, Bradley made Pac miss horribly when he was on the ropes. Bradley is no Mayweather and Money would time Manny in a similar fashion to Marquez, but with much greater hand speed and skill. Money vs. Pac isn't a very close fight, Mayweather wins by a comfortable decision.
And Floyd is no Bradley at this time he is not as fleet of foot as Tim is. Floyd is more stationary and ties up more now. Tim is harder to keep up with on an agility basis, Floyd will be easier for Pac to be within the pocket than Tim was.


-Froggy :

And Floyd is no Bradley at this time he is not as fleet of foot as Tim is. Floyd is more stationary and ties up more now. Tim is harder to keep up with on an agility basis, Floyd will be easier for Pac to be within the pocket than Tim was.
Hear, hear !


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

And Floyd is no Bradley at this time he is not as fleet of foot as Tim is. Floyd is more stationary and ties up more now. Tim is harder to keep up with on an agility basis, FMayweatherill be easier for Pac to be within the pocket than Tim was.
Mayweather is past his prime, but Tim Bradley on his best day isn't better in the footwork department than this version of Mayweather. Tim breaks his foot or ankle everytime he is under stress lol. Mayweather stood in the pocket with Maidana, who hits harder than Pac in my opinion. Pac has nothing to offer Money but the southpaw angle advantage, but it isn't really a advantage because Mayweather has neutralized the last 2 southpaws he has faced pretty easy. Marquez neutralizes Pac and Mayweather would pick him apart and embarass him.


-Froggy :

Mayweather is past his prime, but Tim Bradley on his best day isn't better in the footwork department than this version of Mayweather. Tim breaks his foot or ankle everytime he is under stress lol. Mayweather stood in the pocket with Maidana, who hits harder the Pac in my opinion. Pac has nothing to offer Money but the southpaw angle advantage, but it isn't really a advantage because Mayweather has neutralized the last 2 southpaws he has faced pretty easy. Marquez neutralizes Pac and Mayweather would pick him apart and embarass him.
I hope Mayweather can read your post and all of his yes men are telling him the same thing so this fight can finally happen ! $$$$May needs all of the encouragement he can get !


-Radam G :

Mayweather is past his prime, but Tim Bradley on his best day isn't better in the footwork department than this version of Mayweather. Tim breaks his foot or ankle everytime he is under stress lol. Mayweather stood in the pocket with Maidana, who hits harder the Pac in my opinion. Pac has nothing to offer Money but the southpaw angle advantage, but it isn't really a advantage because Mayweather has neutralized the last 2 southpaws he has faced pretty easy. Marquez neutralizes Pac and Mayweather would pick him apart and embarass him.
You are a loyal Money May fan to the end. So much that you are blinded by realities of actualities. I can name tons of pugs -- including Money May and Da Manny -- getting leg cramps, messing up their feet, ankles, knees and legs because of bad canvases or the wrong type of socks or shoes for a certain canvas. The canvases in the game have changed. They have different types of surfaces now. It is no longer as it was back in the long-ago yesteryears where you had to use a specific type of material for the rule-allowing canvases. Boxers are like AmerKano footballers nowadays. You need a different type of shoe for the different types of fields you play on. And it is hell on wheels and injury time when you neglect it. Team Bradley has been negligence in knowing the tricks of the trade of canvases. You must know before you go and throw a blow. The other side will do every darn thing for an edge and to make your arse slow. Why you think that super smart fighters pick every darn thing, including types of canvas and ring ropes? My friend, SRD, you have a lot to learn about inner workings of the pro side of boxing. Money May is trying to negotiate a slow, soft-canvas ring to slow down Da Manny's foot work right now. And your boy's pops and uncles are trying to negotiate cotton-soft ropes so Money May won't look like a whipped slave from getting whripped marks and scratches from leaning back on the ropes. And I syet you not. This is true syet. Ask the pros at your kid's gym about boxing's fights' negotiations. Holla!


-Radam G :

Mayweather is past his prime, but Tim Bradley on his best day isn't better in the footwork department than this version of Mayweather. Tim breaks his foot or ankle everytime he is under stress lol. Mayweather stood in the pocket with Maidana, who hits harder the Pac in my opinion. Pac has nothing to offer Money but the southpaw angle advantage, but it isn't really a advantage because Mayweather has neutralized the last 2 southpaws he has faced pretty easy. Marquez neutralizes Pac and Mayweather would pick him apart and embarass him.
BTW, Marquez or Hulkquez have never "neutralized Da Manny. What Da Manny was doing to Hulkquez in the last fight with Da Manny, he will finish it with a gun-shy, scary-arse, non-engaging Money May. From the jump, Money May is going to earmuff and rope-a-dope and get his darn ribs broke. And while he is leaning on the ropes peek-a-booing, he is going to catch uppercuts and hooks and get his darn jaw broke. And when he drops his hands, he is going to get his darn eye sockets broke. Da Manny is going to make dat long-ducking bytch look like one sad joke. And all of the Money May fanfaronades and groupies will cry like bytches choke. And Fam May weather will holla the Pinoy power was on some none-detected syet. Hehe! Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

I hope Mayweather can read your post and all of his yes men are telling him the same thing so this fight can finally happen ! $$$$May needs all of the encouragement he can get !
Easy work for May, don't forget to say I told you so after the clinic.


-Radam G :

Easy work for May, don't forget to say I told you so after the clinic.
Keep dreaming. You and Money May will becoming to one of my fam shrink clinic. Don't worry! All your syet will be confidential. Hehe. If you only knew what type of egg shell Lil' Floyd is. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

You are a loyal Money May fan to the end. So much that you are blinded by realities of actualities. I can name tons of pugs -- including Money May and Da Manny -- getting leg cramps, messing up their feet, ankles, knees and legs because of bad canvases or the wrong type of socks or shoes for a certain canvas. The canvases in the game have changed. They have different types of surfaces now. It is no longer as it was back in the long-ago yesteryears where you had to use a specific type of material for the rule-allowing canvases. Boxers are like AmerKano footballers nowadays. You need a different type of shoe for the different types of fields you play on. And it is hell on wheels and injury time when you neglect it. Team Bradley has been negligence in knowing the tricks of the trade of canvases. You must know before you go and throw a blow. The other side will do every darn thing for an edge and to make your arse slow. Why you think that super smart fighters pick every darn thing, including types of canvas and ring ropes? My friend, SRD, you have a lot to learn about inner workings of the pro side of boxing. Money May is trying to negotiate a slow, soft-canvas ring to slow down Da Manny's foot work right now. And your boy's pops and uncles are trying to negotiate cotton-soft ropes so Money May won't look like a whipped slave from getting whripped marks and scratches from leaning back on the ropes. And I syet you not. This is true syet. Ask the pros at your kid's gym about boxing's fights' negotiations. Holla!
Ditto, you are a loyal Pac fan and there is nothing wrong with that. You put Pac and Money in any type of ring wearing any type of shoes and my money will be on Mayweather. Put them in a phone booth wearing high heels for all I care brother because cream always rises to the top. Pac will get a boxing lesson he will never forget if Arum ever lets him fight the Don of the square circle.


-stormcentre :

Ditto, you are a loyal Pac fan and there is nothing wrong with that. You put Pac and Money in any type of ring wearing any type of shoes and my money will be on Mayweather. Put them in a phone booth wearing high heels for all I care brother because cream always rises to the top. Pac will get a boxing lesson he will never forget if Arum ever lets him fight the Don of the square circle.
Love it. High heels; good response. Over to you RG . . . . . and I just know this is not the end of it now.


-Radam G :

Ditto, you are a loyal Pac fan and there is nothing wrong with that. You put Pac and Money in any type of ring wearing any type of shoes and my money will be on Mayweather. Put them in a phone booth wearing high heels for all I care brother because cream always rises to the top. Pac will get a boxing lesson he will never forget if Arum ever lets him fight the Don of the square circle.
I'm a fan of Da Manny and Money May. If I am loyal, it us to the reality of the actuality of boxing. I'm not blinded by the so-called jive of loyalty. Matter of fact, I don't quite understand the English-type of loyal of that word. I don't blow. I go for what I know. And don't even keep it on the down low. If I thought that Money May was the better pug, out that I would throw. And I'm never scare or apologize for eating crow. Money May cannot handle the one-man Pinoy murder row. Money May, his groupies, fans and fam will reap what they sow -- one of the most one-sided arse thrashing of a black man since the L.A. po-po beat the late Rodney King's @$$. Please! But no rioting though and burning up syet in your neighborhood and country just because Da Manny will just be doing his job. Hehehe! Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

I'm a fan of Da Manny and Money May. If I am loyal, it us to the reality of the actuality of boxing. I'm not blinded by the so-called jive of loyalty. Matter of fact, I don't quite understand the English-type of loyal of that word. I don't blow. I go for what I know. And don't even keep it on the down low. If I thought that Money May was the better pug, out that I would throw. And I'm never scare or apologize for eating crow. Money May cannot handle the one-man Pinoy murder row. Money May, his groupies, fans and fam will reap what they sow -- one of the most one-sided arse thrashing of a black man since the L.A. po-po beat the late Rodney King's @$$. Please! But no rioting though and burning up syet in your neighborhood and country just because Da Manny will just be doing his job. Hehehe! Holla!
Just like you, if I thought Manny was the better boxer I would say so. He is very good, but not quite great, especially at welterweight. Floyd beats Manny like he stole something, too much ring savvy, skill, heart, and athleticism. Also, Floyd knows how to fight when he is the bigger man, just ask Marquez. As I said before, Money isn't the only boxer that I think can beat Manny. Crawford out boxes Manny and Thurman lays him out. Floyd knows Manny is limited and will he exposed soon which is why he is trying to make the fight. Oh, and regarding the Rodney King analogy; the infrastructure took a hit socially and financially because of that fiasco. It got exposed nationally and internationally and the city of LA took a huge financial hit. Like the legendary 2 Pac said on the "To Live and Die in LA" track, "we will burn this bytch down if you get us pissed." Cops beat a black man down and paid mightily for their mistake, just like Manny would pay for the mistakes he makes against Mayweather in the square circle!


-Radam G :

Just like you, if I thought Manny was the better boxer I would say so. He is very good, but not quite great, especially at welterweight. Floyd beats Manny like he stole something, too much ring savvy, skill, heart, and athleticism. Also, Floyd knows how to fight when he is the bigger man, just ask Marquez. As I said before, Money isn't the only boxer that I think can beat Manny. Crawford out boxes Manny and Thurman lays him out. Floyd knows Manny is limited and will he exposed soon which is why he is trying to make the fight. Oh, and regarding the Rodney King analogy; the infrastructure took a hit socially and financially because of that fiasco. It got exposed nationally and internationally and the city of LA took a huge financial hit. Like the legendary 2 Pac said on the "To Live and Die in LA" track, "we will burn this bytch down if you get us pissed." Cops beat a black man down and paid mightily for their mistake, just like Manny would pay for the mistakes he makes against Mayweather in the square circle!
Hehehe! You got a brain block. Watch! T-Craw and One-Time Thurman will both get beat this year by a less than a "PacMan." And Money May will be knocked da double fudge out by Da Manny, or upset by somebody else if he keeps ducking Da Manny. And you will HAVE a way to carry on with you delusions. T-Craw, One-Time Thurman and Money May will all have massive brain contusions. But you will stick with rolling with optical illusions. Much power to you. But 2015 will be a hard time in boksing for you. Even Walt Nick will lose in the year of 2015. All those fighters that you admire are good -- no doubt. But you are classic for overkilling and doubing hyping. Holla!


-Radam G :

I wonder what Money May will say when he doesn't break Rocky Marciano's personal record? Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

I wonder what Money May will say when he doesn't break Rocky Marciano's personal record? Holla!
To be honest. The Virgil Hunter version of Amir Khan is the biggest threat to Floyd at welterweight (hand speed, length, and a much improved ring IQ). After he beats Manny, he will have to carefully choose his next foe.


-Radam G :

To be honest. The Virgil Hunter version of Amir Khan is the biggest threat to Floyd at welterweight (hand speed, length, and a much improved ring IQ). After he beats Manny, he will have to carefully choose his next foe.
Danggit! Is the mad cow disease up in Cali and eating away at L.A.? You have lost it now. Amir Khan has made zero improvements. And "Whisperer" Virgil Hunter just stabilized Amir Khan from being over anxious and over expressively punching and blocking. In other words, the Whisperer took away the wasteful histrionics and posing of Khan. But as far as anything else -- NYET! Amir still doesn't always bent his knees or keep his chin down or move loosy goosy in all directions. And Amir is behind on flow and know when to throw. Dude is robotic and is having a hard time transferring over to a pro flow and go. And you ought to get off that length nonsense, SRD. The shorter pugs win 90 percent of the time. Holla at history. How many GREAT over six-foot-tall welterweight champions of all times do you have? One in nearly 200 years of boxing? Tommy Hearns. And he didn't stay at welter long. How many GREAT Six-foot-tall middleweight champions of all times do you have? In nearly 200 years of boxing? One! Again Tommy Hearns. And he did take long, and beat down by a 5-foo-8-and-half Marvelous Marvin Hagler. How many GREAT over 6-foot-5 great great heavyweights do you have in nearly 200 years of boxing? Maybe three. Lennox Lewis, and the K-bros/docs from the weakest era ever of heavyweights. How many retired, undefeated GREAT champions of all times do you have over six-foot-tall? That is what I thought! Not single one. You guys need to halt pulling that length-and-size bullcorn. Because length and size don't mean jack do do more than 90 percent of the time in boxing. It is just in your imagination and prejudices. You have no empirical evidence to stand on. I have tons, and tpa trail of historic fights where the lack-of-length, height'and-size pugs dominated. The game is flicking full of myths, optical illusions and made-up-on-the-go syet. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Danggit! Is the mad cow disease up in Cali and eating away at L.A.? You have lost it now. Amir Khan has made zero improvements. And "Whisperer" Virgil Hunter just stabilized Amir Khan from being over anxious and over expressively punching and blocking. In other words, the Whisperer took away the wasteful histrionics and posing of Khan. But as far as anything else -- NYET! Amir still doesn't always bent his knees or keep his chin down or move loosy goosy in all directions. And Amir is behind on flow and know when to throw. Dude is robotic and is having a hard time transferring over to a pro flow and go. And you ought to get off that length nonsense, SRD. The shorter pugs win 90 percent of the time. Holla at history. How many GREAT over six-foot-tall welterweight champions of all times do you have? One in nearly 200 years of boxing? Tommy Hearns. And he didn't stay at welter long. How many GREAT Six-foot-tall middleweight champions of all times do you have? In nearly 200 years of boxing? One! Again Tommy Hearns. And he did take long, and beat down by a 5-foo-8-and-half Marvelous Marvin Hagler. How many GREAT over 6-foot-5 great great heavyweights do you have in nearly 200 years of boxing? Maybe three. Lennox Lewis, and the K-bros/docs from the weakest era ever of heavyweights. How many retired, undefeated GREAT champions of all times do you have over six-foot-tall? That is what I thought! Not single one. You guys need to halt pulling that length-and-size bullcorn. Because length and size don't mean jack do do more than 90 percent of the time in boxing. It is just in your imagination and prejudices. You have no empirical evidence to stand on. I have tons, and tpa trail of historic fights where the lack-of-length, height'and-size pugs dominated. The game is flicking full of myths, optical illusions and made-up-on-the-go syet. Holla!
B-Hop is 6'1 and was at his best at middleweight. Riddick Bowe is 6'5 and is being voted into the hall of fame. I get your point RG, size doesn't always matter, but it always highly coveted. A good big man will always be considered better than a good little man in the eyes of most coaches and scouts. However, do they get it wrong sometimes? Absolutely! In regards to Mayweather vs. Pac, I think the arm length advantage is going to be key. Floyd isn't Algeri and will exploit all of his advantages over Manny. The jab and the lead right cross are going to be key to victory. You have eaten crow before and will do so again when May and Pac finally tango. I bet you a plate of Mechado from my favorite Filipino restaurant in the South Bay (Tita Celia's). Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Also RG, Hunter has Amir fighting to his strengths and he is no longer taking unnecessary risk. Is Amir still fundamentally flawed in some areas? Yes, but his new mentality coupled with his hand speed spells disaster for most at 147. Despite your opinion, I think his 5'10 stature and arm length make matters worst. Just ask Zab Judah, Paulie Malignaggi, and Devon Alexander. Khan is no joke, don't underestimate him. I know deep down Mayweather jr. and his pops don't. Holla!


-Radam G :

B-Hop is 6'1 and was at his best at middleweight. Riddick Bowe is 6'5 and is being voted into the hall of fame. I get your point RG, size doesn't always matter, but it always highly coveted. A good big man will always be considered better than a good little man in the eyes of most coaches and scouts. However, do they get it wrong sometimes? Absolutely! In regards to Mayweather vs. Pac, I think the the arm length advantage is going to be key. Floyd isn't Algeri and will exploit all of his advantages over Manny. The jab and the lead right cross are going to be key to victory. You have eaten crow before and will do so again when May and Pac finally tango. I bet you a plate of Mechado from my favorite Filipino restaurant in the South Bay (Tita Celia's). Holla!
I won't count B-Hop until he retires. I don't count active pugs until their retirement days. Bowe was lazy as heck. He never became great. He was close. By the way, Da Manny's arm length from the armpits to finger tip are longer than Lil' Floyd's. Don't be fooled when Money May is measured from finger tip to finger tip across the shoulders.Dude has wide shoulders, short arm length. Da Manny's reach measured from the finger tips were longer than Algieri, Mosley, Rios, Bradley and even Dela Hoya. Da Manny has all the advantages over Lil' Floyd. Lil' Floyd has nothing to exploit. Not speed, not footwork, not power, not savvy, not a d@mn thing, but the hometown advantage, dirty judges and make believe of Money May being more than he is. He has an embarrassingly beat down coming. You are easily vulnerable to fight hype and promotional optical illusions of boxing. It is my humble opinion that this is because you have built-in biases and prejudices against certain kinds of boxers, their built, their anatomy and style of scrapping. Holla!


-Radam G :

Also RG, Hunter has Amir fighting to his strengths and he is no longer taking unnecessary risk. Is Amir still fundamentally flawed in some areas? Yes, but his new mentality coupled with his hand speed spells disaster for most at 147. Despite your opinion, I think his 5'10 stature and arm length make matters worst. Just ask Zab Judah, Paulie Malignaggi, and Devon Alexander. Khan is no joke, don't underestimate him. I know deep down Mayweather jr. and his pops don't. Holla!
Amir is 5-foot-8 and a half with short-arse arms from the armpits to the tips of the middle fingers. Both Judah and Paulie are B pugs. And Alexander is a B+. They are noise-talking, full-of-syet big-city slickers. More of what they say, you have to take it with a grain of salt. Any pug that could beat them was an all-time great, like them tell it. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

I won't count B-Hop until he retires. I don't count active pugs until their retirement days. Bowe was lazy as heck. He never became great. He was close. By the way, Da Manny's arm length from the armpits to finger tip are longer than Lil' Floyd's. Don't be fooled when Money May is measured from finger tip to finger tip across the shoulders.Dude has wide shoulders, short arm length. Da Manny's reach measured from the finger tips were longer than Algieri, Mosley, Rios, Bradley and even Dela Hoya. Da Manny has all the advantages over Lil' Floyd. Lil' Floyd has nothing to exploit. Not speed, not footwork, not power, not savvy, not a d@mn thing, but the hometown advantage, dirty judges and make believe of Money May being more than he is. He has an embarrassingly beat down coming. You are easily vulnerable to fight hype and promotional optical illusions of boxing. It is my humble opinion that this is because you have built-in biases and prejudices against certain kinds of boxers, their built, their anatomy and style of scrapping. Holla!
Not vulnerable at all and I think you too are prejudice and have biased lenses in which you view boxing through, most of us do though so it's all good. Mayweather is simply a better boxer in all of the skill departments and that is why I think he will win. The life and death battles Manny had with Marquez and the smooth and easy way Floyd dispatched of him says a lot. Marquez and most in the boxing industry have tilted towards Floyd being the favorite if and when the fight takes place.


-Radam G :

B-Hop is 6'1 and was at his best at middleweight. Riddick Bowe is 6'5 and is being voted into the hall of fame. I get your point RG, size doesn't always matter, but it always highly coveted. A good big man will always be considered better than a good little man in the eyes of most coaches and scouts. However, do they get it wrong sometimes? Holla!
Apparently, you don't know and/or see a lot of active top-gun professional athletes. Ninety percent of us are not the size-and-length syet that you are apparently obsessed with. The heck if "a good big man will always be considered better than a good little man in the eyes of most coaches and scouts." You better holla at 'em, because I know and how they work. They are full of optical illusions and fooling the general public and the know nothings. They just put your height and weight up to where they want it if it is not there. This is the oldest recruiting trick of the trade in the world. Do you honestly believe that Money May is 5-foot-8 and Da Manny is 5-foot-6 1/2? My friend, you have never seen them in person if you buy that. Do you actually believe that all the basketballers are as tall as they are listed? If you believe all this height, size and length nonsense, my friend, you have never been around elite, big-money making athletes. Or you are so convinced of your beliefs that you see what you believe. You are a victim of belief exaggeration to the fact that your mind except the illusions. Holla!


-Radam G :

Not vulnerable at all and I think you too are prejudice and have biased lenses in which you view boxing through, most of us do though so it's all good. Mayweather is simply a better boxer in all of the skill departments and that is why I think he will win. The life and death battles Manny had with Marquez and the smooth and easy way Floyd dispatched of him says a lot. Marquez and most in the boxing industry have tilted towards Floyd being the favorite if and when the fight takes place.
There you go with big-time craziness. Just because boxer A always has a rough time with boxer B, and boxer C easily beats boxer B, it doesn't mean syet to what boxer A can do to boxer C. Let me remind you of the triangle fight affairs of GOAT Ali, the late great Kenny Norton and "Smokin' Joe Frazier and Rev. "Big" George Foreman. And another triangle fight affair I will remind you of is Tommy Hearns, Roberto Duran and Iran Barkley. C'mon, man! You are straight-up shooting blanks trying to say that because of what happened between fighter A and B in the theatre of the expected" will have an affect on fighter C because with fighter A he beat and that gave B pure hell. Wow! You are really reaching for fantasy now. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Beautiful - just beautiful. A good old (mature and controlled) forum dust up. Both men (RG and SRD) have their strong points on this debate. However, if the Storm could step in (and when can't he?) he would say the following; a) Pacquiao has virtually no active defence - none. It's just not there. Particularly for lead "check" style and also counter punches (that are Floyd's bread/butter); as he comes in. In essence Manny is almost totally reliant on speed and the southpaw stance (to get in close); which he utilises very well - to get in. By that I mean, if there's incoming fire as Pacquaio attacks his motto seems to be "to hell with it". Also, Manny has rarely, if at all, fought a guy (particularly at welterweight) that has the ability to pick him off, tie him up, control the distance/tempo of the fight, and match speed for counters etc. Short story: if Manny can't get in close and/or be effective at other distances he's in a fight that he's not used to against a guy that has a lot of attributes wrapped up in marquee experience that he really hasn't seen before. Pacquaio does some good work from the outside, but mostly his best and most damaging stuff is in the medium to close range. And, Floyd specialises in not letting you in there unless he can make you pay. b) Mayweather usually controls the style and pace of the fight via many means, including those mentioned above - but also by using his shoulder roll defence as a form of not only both defence/offence - but also as a means of upsetting a guy's tempo and making him rethink/reset and waste energy. (In the same way Zab Judah's lefty style and speed did); Pacquiao's lefty style, speed, and also his very active pace (fighting 3 minutes of every round) could really be an issue for Floyd (provided Pacquaio has a way to get past the long range and all the above-mentioned tests Floyd's arsenal brings with it). Floyd likes to pick guys off with low risk moves and collect points for the 1st half or three quarters of a fight. That way he knows he has stamina reserves (to complement his usually superior speed, smarts, and other attributes) in the bank for the later rounds - rounds when his opponent's tactics will (usually) be predictable and similar to a "fight out of the comfort zone, take bigger risks, open themselves up to make up for the points deficit" approach. However that all rests on the bedrock of (Floyd) controlling the tempo so his stamina reserves are there in the latter rounds - which comes down to Floyd's control; a) Of the long-range game with pot shots. b) Of the medium/close range game with the raised hands and/or shoulder roll defence, and tying guys up. Pacquiao may not play the long-range game and then once inside set a pace that doesn't allow Floyd to collect points in the first half of the fight. This could happen by Pacquaio; a) Matching or bettering Floyd's speed and power; at long range - potentially forcing Floyd into another game-plan. Floyd hasn't fought many guys that can meaningfully do that, and Pacquaio (who combines some of the better attributes of guys/styes that have given Floyd issues; Castillo, Judah, Maidana) has the best chances of doing so. b) Or, it can happen by Pacquaio walking in with his hands up (Tyson - the short and short armed guy - style), or (getting in) via other means, and then throwing shots with high intensity on Floyd and outworking him; as Tyson would often do. If ever there was a guy that could do this and not get too tired in the later rounds (wasted punches or not); it would be Pacquaio - even though it's not his style to usually work his way in like that (point "b"). Short story: if Floyd can't stop Manny from getting in and being effective there, he's in a fight that he's not used to against a guy that has a lot of attributes wrapped up in marquee experience that Floyd may have seen before, but struggled with. Floyd's unbeaten record and the fact that Pacquaio has not (uncontroversially) beaten up anyone before Floyd that Floyd also beat; whilst the same pretty much does not apply to Pacquaio; means (amongst other reasons) he is the "A" side in relation to negotiations. Finally - and this may be relevant to the tall/short guy theory, and also some of the other above comments about Mayweather/Pacquiao and controlling short, medium and long distances - while I'm on the subject of Tyson; Mike had some of his biggest problems with taller and seemingly lankier champions that realised that - in order for Mike to be effective against them - he almost always had to be in/at close range.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Beautiful - just beautiful. A good old (mature and controlled) forum dust up. Both men (RG and SRD) have their strong points on this debate. However, if the Storm could step in (and when can't he?) he would say the following; a) Pacquiao has virtually no active defence - none. It's just not there. Particularly for lead "check" style and also counter punches (that are Floyd's bread/butter); as he comes in. In essence Manny is almost totally reliant on speed and the southpaw stance (to get in close); which he utilises very well - to get in. By that I mean, if there's incoming fire as Pacquaio attacks his motto seems to be "to hell with it". Also, Manny has rarely, if at all, fought a guy (particularly at welterweight) that has the ability to pick him off, tie him up, control the distance/tempo of the fight, and match speed for counters etc. Short story: if Manny can't get in close and/or be effective at other distances he's in a fight that he's not used to against a guy that has a lot of attributes wrapped up in marquee experience that he really hasn't seen before. Pacquaio does some good work from the outside, but mostly his best and most damaging stuff is in the medium to close range. And, Floyd specialises in not letting you in there unless he can make you pay. b) Mayweather usually controls the style and pace of the fight via many means, including those mentioned above - but also by using his shoulder roll defence as a form of not only both defence/offence - but also as a means of upsetting a guy's tempo and making him rethink/reset and waste energy. (In the same way Zab Judah's lefty style and speed did); Pacquiao's lefty style, speed, and also his very active pace (fighting 3 minutes of every round) could really be an issue for Floyd (provided Pacquaio has a way to get past the long range and all the above-mentioned tests Floyd's arsenal brings with it). Floyd likes to pick guys off with low risk moves and collect points for the 1st half or three quarters of a fight. That way he knows he has stamina reserves (to complement his usually superior speed, smarts, and other attributes) in the bank for the later rounds - rounds when his opponent's tactics will (usually) be predictable and similar to a "fight out of the comfort zone, take bigger risks, open themselves up to make up for the points deficit" approach. However that all rests on the bedrock of (Floyd) controlling the tempo so his stamina reserves are there in the latter rounds - which comes down to Floyd's control; a) Of the long-range game with pot shots. b) Of the medium/close range game with the raised hands and/or shoulder roll defence, and tying guys up. Pacquiao may not play the long-range game and then once inside set a pace that doesn't allow Floyd to collect points in the first half of the fight. This could happen by Pacquaio; a) Matching or bettering Floyd's speed and power; at long range - potentially forcing Floyd into another game-plan. Floyd hasn't fought many guys that can meaningfully do that, and Pacquaio (who combines some of the better attributes of guys/styes that have given Floyd issues; Castillo, Judah, Maidana) has the best chances of doing so. b) Or, it can happen by Pacquaio walking in with his hands up (Tyson - the short and short armed guy - style), or (getting in) via other means, and then throwing shots with high intensity on Floyd and outworking him; as Tyson would often do. If ever there was a guy that could do this and not get too tired in the later rounds (wasted punches or not); it would be Pacquaio - even though it's not his style to usually work his way in like that (point "b"). Short story: if Floyd can't stop Manny from getting in and being effective there, he's in a fight that he's not used to against a guy that has a lot of attributes wrapped up in marquee experience that Floyd may have seen before, but struggled with. Floyd's unbeaten record and the fact that Pacquaio has not (uncontroversially) beaten up anyone before Floyd that Floyd also beat; whilst the same pretty much does not apply to Pacquaio; means (amongst other reasons) he is the "A" side in relation to negotiations. Finally - and this may be relevant to the tall/short guy theory, and also some of the other above comments about Mayweather/Pacquiao and controlling short, medium and long distances - while I'm on the subject of Tyson; Mike had some of his biggest problems with taller and seemingly lankier champions that realised that - in order for Mike to be effective against them - he almost always had to be in/at close range.
Amen Storm, Amen. Fine writing and I agree with all of your points. I try to keep things short and sweet on phone, but you went in great depth and it is much appreciated. Manny is game, but he would have his work cut out for him to say the least.


-Radam G :

Beautiful - just beautiful. A good old (mature and controlled) forum dust up. Both men (RG and SRD) have their strong points on this debate. However, if the Storm could step in (and when can't he?) he would say the following; a) Pacquiao has virtually no active defence - none. It's just not there. Particularly for lead "check" style and also counter punches (that are Floyd's bread/butter); as he comes in. In essence Manny is almost totally reliant on speed and the southpaw stance (to get in close); which he utilises very well - to get in. By that I mean, if there's incoming fire as Pacquaio attacks his motto seems to be "to hell with it". Also, Manny has rarely, if at all, fought a guy (particularly at welterweight) that has the ability to pick him off, tie him up, control the distance/tempo of the fight, and match speed for counters etc. Short story: if Manny can't get in close and/or be effective at other distances he's in a fight that he's not used to against a guy that has a lot of attributes wrapped up in marquee experience that he really hasn't seen before. Pacquaio does some good work from the outside, but mostly his best and most damaging stuff is in the medium to close range. And, Floyd specialises in not letting you in there unless he can make you pay. b) Mayweather usually controls the style and pace of the fight via many means, including those mentioned above - but also by using his shoulder roll defence as a form of not only both defence/offence - but also as a means of upsetting a guy's tempo and making him rethink/reset and waste energy. (In the same way Zab Judah's lefty style and speed did); Pacquiao's lefty style, speed, and also his very active pace (fighting 3 minutes of every round) could really be an issue for Floyd (provided Pacquaio has a way to get past the long range and all the above-mentioned tests Floyd's arsenal brings with it). Floyd likes to pick guys off with low risk moves and collect points for the 1st half or three quarters of a fight. That way he knows he has stamina reserves (to complement his usually superior speed, smarts, and other attributes) in the bank for the later rounds - rounds when his opponent's tactics will (usually) be predictable and similar to a "fight out of the comfort zone, take bigger risks, open themselves up to make up for the points deficit" approach. However that all rests on the bedrock of (Floyd) controlling the tempo so his stamina reserves are there in the latter rounds - which comes down to Floyd's control; a) Of the long-range game with pot shots. b) Of the medium/close range game with the raised hands and/or shoulder roll defence, and tying guys up. Pacquiao may not play the long-range game and then once inside set a pace that doesn't allow Floyd to collect points in the first half of the fight. This could happen by Pacquaio; a) Matching or bettering Floyd's speed and power; at long range - potentially forcing Floyd into another game-plan. Floyd hasn't fought many guys that can meaningfully do that, and Pacquaio (who combines some of the better attributes of guys/styes that have given Floyd issues; Castillo, Judah, Maidana) has the best chances of doing so. b) Or, it can happen by Pacquaio walking in with his hands up (Tyson - the short and short armed guy - style), or (getting in) via other means, and then throwing shots with high intensity on Floyd and outworking him; as Tyson would often do. If ever there was a guy that could do this and not get too tired in the later rounds (wasted punches or not); it would be Pacquaio - even though it's not his style to usually work his way in like that (point "b"). Short story: if Floyd can't stop Manny from getting in and being effective there, he's in a fight that he's not used to against a guy that has a lot of attributes wrapped up in marquee experience that Floyd may have seen before, but struggled with. Floyd's unbeaten record and the fact that Pacquaio has not (uncontroversially) beaten up anyone before Floyd that Floyd also beat; whilst the same pretty much does not apply to Pacquaio; means (amongst other reasons) he is the "A" side in relation to negotiations. Finally - and this may be relevant to the tall/short guy theory, and also some of the other above comments about Mayweather/Pacquiao and controlling short, medium and long distances - while I'm on the subject of Tyson; Mike had some of his biggest problems with taller and seemingly lankier champions that realised that - in order for Mike to be effective against them - he almost always had to be in/at close range.
All good and dandy, but Money May will not be able to tie Da Manny up, or box him from the outside. Money May's intent is to box from the corners off the ropes. This way he hopes to lessen the effect of Da Manny's side-to-side punching.But the faster-handed "PacMan" will whup Money May silly with uppercuts. I guarantee that Money May will seldom fight Da Manny on the move or in the middle of dat squared jungle. Don't be deceived by tricks of the trade measurements. Da Manny has the longer arms and will be able to reach Money May at will from all type of angles. And Money May won't be able to do a d@mn defensive or offensive thing about it. His smoke and mirror tricks to fans won't affect Day Manny. Mark my words. Money May will fight and get knocked da double fudge out by seven rounds. Or he will pull a Clottey and stay on the ropes mostly punch less. This will not be the great fight that many are hoping for. Money May will not be able to handle Da Manny's speed of foot or hand. Money May will bytch out and fight enough to last the distance. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Apparently, you don't know and/or see a lot of active top-gun professional athletes. Ninety percent of us are not the size-and-length syet that you are apparently obsessed with. The heck if "a good big man will always be considered better than a good little man in the eyes of most coaches and scouts." You better holla at 'em, because I know and how they work. They are full of optical illusions and fooling the general public and the know nothings. They just put your height and weight up to where they want it if it is not there. This is the oldest recruiting trick of the trade in the world. Do you honestly believe that Money May is 5-foot-8 and Da Manny is 5-foot-6 1/2? My friend, you have never seen them in person if you buy that. Do you actually believe that all the basketballers are as tall as they are listed? If you believe all this height, size and length nonsense, my friend, you have never been around elite, big-money making athletes. Or you are so convinced of your beliefs that you see what you believe. You are a victim of belief exaggeration to the fact that your mind except the illusions. Holla!
Don't put words in my mouth RG because I am agreeing with part of your assessment in that size is often fabricated and it doesn't always play a role in performance. My main sport growing up in high school and college was basketball. Most basketball coaches would prefer a marginal 7'0 center over a marginal 5'8 point guard. Size plays a big role when it comes to evaluating talent in two of America's mainstream sports (basketball & football) and from a literal performance point of view, it does often matter. I would take a 6'9 Magic over a 6'1 John Stockton if I had to choose between the two and part my reasoning would be size because Magic 's size and versatility gave him the ability to play all 5 positions. Don't get me wrong though, Stockton was no joke and was a hell of a floor general. In football, coaches and scouts crave the quarterbacks that are 6'3 plus and and closer to the size of Big Ben in Pittsburgh or Cam Newton in Carolina. The ability to see over the offensive line and the size to stand in the pocket and take a shot in order to deliver a pass down the field to a receiver 8 highly coveted. Both of the quarterbacks I mentioned happen to also be mobile and have strong arms as well. There will always be exceptions to the rule and the Russell Wilson(s) and Allen Iverson(s) of the sports world will always shake up the balance of things. As far as boxing is concerned, there is a reason there is weight classes. The main reason is because size matters! As great as Floyd is, he would get destroyed if he were to go up to Light heavyweight and fight Kovalev. We agree to disagree bro, it's all good!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

All good and dandy, but Money May will not be able to tie Da Manny up, or box him from the outside. Money May's intent is to box from the corners off the ropes. This way he hopes to lessen the effect of Da Manny's side-to-side punching.But the faster-handed "PacMan" will whup Money May silly with uppercuts. I guarantee that Money May will seldom fight Da Manny on the move or in the middle of dat squared jungle. Don't be deceived by tricks of the trade measurements. Da Manny has the longer arms and will be able to reach Money May at will from all type of angles. And Money May won't be able to do a d@mn defensive or offensive thing about it. His smoke and mirror tricks to fans won't affect Day Manny. Mark my words. Money May will fight and get knocked da double fudge out by seven rounds. Or he will pull a Clottey and stay on the ropes mostly punch less. This will not be the great fight that many are hoping for. Money May will not be able to handle Da Manny's speed of foot or hand. Money May will bytch out and fight enough to last the distance. Holla!
The last I checked Mayweather has a fast pair of hands too. Manny's main defense is his offense and that would be his undoing against one of the greatest counter punches to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. It will be a competitive fight for about 4 rounds. Here is the catch; Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan. I think he will struggle to adjust to Mayweather's strategy and boxing style. Mayweather has proven to be a chess player in the ring and would be two or three sequences ahead of Pac. The ring savvy/ring IQ advantage definitely favors Floyd.


-stormcentre :

The last I checked Mayweather has a fast pair of hands too. Manny's main defense is his offense and that would be his undoing against one of the greatest counter punches to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. It will be a competitive fight for about 4 rounds. Here is the catch; Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan. I think he will struggle to adjust to Mayweather's strategy and boxing style. Mayweather has proven to be a chess player in the ring and would be two or three sequences ahead of Pac. The ring savvy/ring IQ advantage definitely favors Floyd.
Very good points about/for Mayweather. Especially; ""Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan."" Dude just adjusts and literally thrives under multiple forms of greatest and most diverse pressure. Going back to the Zab Judah V Mayweather fight; one (other) thing that (I hadn't mentioned before) that allowed Zab to be effective against Floyd was that Zab actually has a defence and shoulder roll himself. He walked Cotto into one of the best and most sneaky short left crosses I have ever seen. Cotto, shortly after hit low and bought time like that; which was not the 1st time Cotto has done that. But, my point is Zab's defence allowed him to get into positions (in the early stages of the fight before Judah gassed), adjust slightly, and score some sensational and hellacious shots on Floyd. Yep, Floyd adjusted and stole the show, but - as stated above - Pacquaio has no active defence. So, I don't see what strategy he has to deal with what Floyd will serve up as a "cover charge" to "get in" - or even the "counter" meal (Aussie slang for a pub meal, as well as the typical boxing "counter" nomenclature). As unlike Zab, Pacman doesn't appear to overly rely on an active defence to make guys miss and/or get into positions to take the target out; or both. Plus, I don't see too many sparring partners giving Pacquaio those looks either to prepare him for Floyd. Whereas, I think there are a few guys that (for a limited number of rounds) could emulate the most dangerous aspects of Pacquaio's armoury. This doesn't mean I would yet predict/pick a winner, but in a similar sense to how the odds don't seem to favour Wilder as much as some bookmakers have them; I think the mountain to climb for both men is - particularly now - slightly steeper for Manny.
No disrespect to my main man from the hood RG, as him be well versed at scouting out rare essentials to do wiv fights as well as laying it down on the streets real good and also making all those loose hippy bytches are not just up 4 anything but also prepared to do what I want whenever a big show is going down. Respect


-stormcentre :

The last I checked Mayweather has a fast pair of hands too. Manny's main defense is his offense and that would be his undoing against one of the greatest counter punches to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. It will be a competitive fight for about 4 rounds. Here is the catch; Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan. I think he will struggle to adjust to Mayweather's strategy and boxing style. Mayweather has proven to be a chess player in the ring and would be two or three sequences ahead of Pac. The ring savvy/ring IQ advantage definitely favors Floyd.
Very good points about/for Mayweather. Especially; ""Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan."" Dude just adjusts and literally thrives under multiple forms of greatest and most diverse pressure. Going back to the Zab Judah V Mayweather fight; one (other) thing that (I hadn't mentioned before) that allowed Zab to be effective against Floyd was that Zab actually has a defence and shoulder roll himself. He walked Cotto into one of the best and most sneaky short left crosses I have ever seen. Cotto, shortly after hit low and bought time like that; which was not the 1st time Cotto has done that. But, my point is Zab's defence allowed him to get into positions (in the early stages of the fight before Judah gassed), adjust slightly, and score some sensational and hellacious shots on Floyd. Yep, Floyd adjusted and stole the show, but - as stated above - Pacquaio has no active defence. So, I don't see what strategy he has to deal with what Floyd will serve up as a "cover charge" to "get in" - or even the "counter" meal (Aussie slang for a pub meal, as well as the typical boxing "counter" nomenclature). As unlike Zab, Pacman doesn't appear to overly rely on an active defence to make guys miss and/or get into positions to take the target out; or both. Plus, I don't see too many sparring partners giving Pacquaio those looks either to prepare him for Floyd. Whereas, I think there are a few guys that (for a limited number of rounds) could emulate the most dangerous aspects of Pacquaio's armoury. This doesn't mean I would yet predict/pick a winner, but in a similar sense to how the odds don't seem to favour Wilder as much as some bookmakers have them; I think the mountain to climb for both men is - particularly now - slightly steeper for Manny.
No disrespect to my main man from the hood RG, as him be well versed at scouting out rare essentials to do wiv fights as well as laying it down on the streets real good and also making sure all those loose hippy bytches are not just up 4 anything - but also prepared to do what I want whenever a big show is going down. Respect


-Radam G :

Don't put words in my mouth RG because I am agreeing with part of your assessment in that size is often fabricated and it doesn't always play a role in performance. My main sport growing up in high school and college was basketball. Most basketball coaches would prefer a marginal 7'0 center over a marginal 5'8 point guard. Size plays a big role when it comes to evaluating talent in two of America's mainstream sports (basketball & football) and from a literal performance point of view, it does often matter. I would take a 6'9 Magic over a 6'1 John Stockton if I had to choose between the two and part my reasoning would be size because Magic 's size and versatility gave him the ability to play all 5 positions. Don't get me wrong though, Stockton was no joke and was a hell of a floor general. In football, coaches and scouts crave the quarterbacks that are 6'3 plus and and closer to the size of Big Ben in Pittsburgh or Cam Newton in Carolina. The ability to see over the offensive line and the size to stand in the pocket and take a shot in order to deliver a pass down the field to a receiver 8 highly coveted. Both of the quarterbacks I mentioned happen to also be mobile and have strong arms as well. There will always be exceptions to the rule and the Russell Wilson(s) and Allen Iverson(s) of the sports world will always shake up the balance of things. As far as boxing is concerned, there is a reason there is weight classes. The main reason is because size matters! As great as Floyd is, he would get destroyed if he were to go up to Light heavyweight and fight Kovalev. We agree to disagree bro, it's all good!
Hehehe! Positions of team sports, such as a center in basketball or football -- the AmerKano style -- ain't a sport of a highly-skilled position. Of course in basketball you want a 7-foot center. And in AmerKano football, you want a 340-pound center. They have a purpose of blocking, psyching and various ypes of disruptions. BTW! A Magic Johnson is a rare dude, not the usual suspects at his size. Also, I can name a whole lot of centers listed at 7-foot, but was far from it. C'mon, man! Tricks of the trade are everywhere. Both Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan were listed 3 inches taller than their actual height. I've hung with the dudes. We discussed that jive of deception in size and height in sports. My boy Sinbad -- the comedian -- always joked how he played center in high school and college at a 6-foot-8 listing, but he is only 6-foot-4 and some change. Then he jokes about how my arse -- as a Cali high school cornerback/runningback footballer and basketballer -- was listed at 5'9 and sometimes 5'10 when I was barely touching 5'5. I tore those games up. If I would not have been messed with wanting to be an Asian Boys gangsta, my parents and peeps would've let me stay on the mainland USA and rule. On that Imma stop. I cannot get caught up in a pi$$?ng contest tellin' all my past great haps. We are going to agree to disagree big time, because we have seen two different sightings of the reality of the actuality of sport and play, and skills involving size and length. At da top of da game of sports and combat, it is rare, rare, RAREEEEEEE to have a super tall person or super hugh one i n size person and can dominate with mad skills and talent. Holla!


-Radam G :

The last I checked Mayweather has a fast pair of hands too. Manny's main defense is his offense and that would be his undoing against one of the greatest counter punches to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. It will be a competitive fight for about 4 rounds. Here is the catch; Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan. I think he will struggle to adjust to Mayweather's strategy and boxing style. Mayweather has proven to be a chess player in the ring and would be two or three sequences ahead of Pac. The ring savvy/ring IQ advantage definitely favors Floyd.
You keep checking with mythical believes and biases. Now I know that you are illing. Of course, Money May has good speed of hands, but much, much slower than Da Manny. Even Pops Joy May agree with me, but says that "speed don't mean syet." "Timing beat it," the front-yard, bootlegged teacher of the Fam May shoulder roll swears to. But as the late, great GBG Manny Steward said, "You whup Floyd Mayweather's @$$ by hitting him e verywhere -- the arms, the shoulders, the necks, the ribs -- every godd@mn where. "And when he turn his back, like he is fond of doing, you bust him in his muthaf**king head, because you can hit a person if he turn his back like a f**king coward." Being interstate rivalries, there was no love between the Mayweathers and the late, great GBG Manny Steward. And he also believed that Lil' Floyd could beat Da Manny with the plan of action. Holla!


-amayseng :

Floyd has fantastic timing and spaces himself very well to control distance. Pac has superior hand and foot speed, quickness, agility and power. Floyd is a pot shotter, does not even throw combinations. Pac throws combinations while not only sitting down but while moving forward with numerous steps. Floyd sits down when he throws. Floyd ties up now a days he does not pot shot and duck and dodge 10 punches. Pac does not tie up, he works and out works guys winning rounds while they are static. Pac has more attributes to win this fight than Floyd does. Floyd adjust because he always has to adjust. Pac is usually winning so convincingly he does not need to adjust. However he adjusted well against TB in both bouts, against JMM who is a superior counterpuncher than Floyd is.


-Radam G :

The last I checked Mayweather has a fast pair of hands too. Manny's main defense is his offense and that would be his undoing against one of the greatest counter punches to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves. It will be a competitive fight for about 4 rounds. Here is the catch; Mayweather can make adjustments and would do so, but Manny on the other hand hasn't illustrated a lot of diversity in fighting style or the ability to adjust to his opponent's game plan. I think he will struggle to adjust to Mayweather's strategy and boxing style. Mayweather has proven to be a chess player in the ring and would be two or three sequences ahead of Pac. The ring savvy/ring IQ advantage definitely favors Floyd.
BTW! Since it all appears that you have lost your natural mind about ev'ybodee and dey mamma beating Da Manny, something else is in the work. Your boy T-Craw is going to get a shot at Chris Aliergi's WBO Light Welterweight belt. Now we will see how good T-Craw is. I'm going on record now to say that he will have hell with C-Al. There will be no knocking C-Al down six times -- four legit times. Matter of fact, the scrap between T-Craw and C-Al will end in a draw, or a loss for T-Craw. Tim Lane is really going to "let Chris outta da cave" this time. Hehehehe! Holla!