Lampley Ends 2014 With Flurry At Al Haymon on HBO’s “The Fight Game”

Soon to be Hall of Famer Jim Lampley trotted out on HBO the final 2014 installment of “The Fight Game”, his news/opinion magazine show, and offered up a rock-solid performance with some smart ring-generalship, as he offered quickie looks-back at recent bouts, and potent power punching, as when he took aim at uber advisor Al Haymon.

Lampley tapped Haymon, the shrouded power broker who lives in parts unknown, and moves the chess pieces without a care about answering to the keyboard tappers or fans, as TFG Person of the Year.

“We keep returning on TFG to the depiction of boxing as a risk vs reward equation,” Lampley said. “Our person of the year is a man who is widely acknowledged to have, on behalf of his star client Floyd Mayweather, mastered that equation like no other manager in history. But our designation of Al Haymon as the year’s most influential figure has little to do with his advice to last year’s Person of the Year, Mayweather. It’s about what he is doing with the other reported 130-plus fighters who now make up his clientele…..If you had a sense 2014 was a year somewhat devoid of compelling top-level competition you wouldn’t be off base.

Light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson had opportunities to fight three fellow stars, Sergei Kovalev, Bernard Hopkins, and Jean Pascal. He avoided all three. Middleweight titleist Peter Quillin gave up a belt and a career-high purse to avoid a fight with Mat Korobov. Talented junior featherweight titleist Leo Santa Cruz fought a sparring partner on the undercard of Mayweather-Maidana II. Adrien Broner and Lucas Matthysse, logical opponents for each other, fought lesser opponents on the same card. Danny Garcia fought a 140-pound opponent so underqualified even the governing bodies that market his belts wouldn’t dignify the enterprise by charging a sanctioning fee. Rising welterweight force Keith Thurman fought long-faded former lightweight Julio Diaz, then fought a 40-year old nonentity. All these stars are advised by Al Haymon, and that’s the proverbial tip of the iceberg,” Lampley continued.

“It would be great for boxing if one brilliant entrepreneur managed an astonishing client list of 130-plus fighters with the consistent objective of making the most attractive and competitive fights available, within reasonable limits to protect their health and business prospects. But that isn’t Haymon’s game. He’s about avoidance of risky competition. His formula has worked for star client Floyd Mayweather for a variety of reasons, among them that Mayweather took the right perceived risks earlier on, versus Genaro Hernandez and Oscar de la Hoya, to get to where he is now. But the Mayweather approach is not the right approach for the overall enhancement of boxing. Boxing fans want to see great fights, without which it is difficult to earn an identity as a great fighter. It’s widely reported that for the next two years, Haymon will provide talent for as many as 40 boxing telecasts on NBC Sports Net, and NBC. This would normally be cause to rejoice for everyone in the business. But no one is rejoicing now, unless the philosophy changes, and viewers get to see the best fighting the best. And based on what happened to Haymon’s clients in 2014, that’s the last thing we can expect.

“So in gathering together the largest concentration of boxing talent in the history of the sport, and then mostly shielding that talent, from the kind of competition that would make him a hero to the boxing world, Al Haymon is the 2014 TFG Person of the Year.”

Three knockdown rule was in effect, friends. Or maybe not, as Haymon seems immune to being affected by criticism leveled by media, or fans…I guess he’s like a fighter who has a Teflon chin, who can be hit by Golovkin and Kovalev at the same time, and just keeps chugging…

Lampley, before that flurry of wordsmithery, offered huzzahs to Nebraskan Terence Crawford, TFG Fighter of the Year, for getting Ws over Ricky Burns, Yuriorkis Gamboa and Ray Beltran. TGF decided that “Bud” narrowly edged Sergey Kovalev, who handily beat legend Bernard Hopkins from the singing of the national anthem onward in AC on Nov. 8.

Lamps kicked off with a look at right-hooker Andy Lee’s takeout of Matt Korobov, and as per usual, a viewer had to be caffeinated, as he briskly threw out asides, such as the jab he threw at Peter Quillin for giving up his WBO middleweight belt, a move that had many scratching their heads.

Lamps called the Lou DiBella-promoted Lee “the ultimate feast or famine” fighter, which, of course, makes him something of a must-see attraction. Those that risk will gain the heaviest helping of rewards, and Lee should be looking at a million dollar bout, enough to feather his retirement nest, coming up.

JL then offered us video and analysis of the David Lemieux power punch showcase on Gabriel Rosado. He offered high praise when he said that a fight against Gennady Golovkin could maybe be “the Hagler-Hearns of this generation.” That one would likely be “savage, beautiful and brief,” he noted. The middleweight muddle was discussed, and Lampley touched on the idea of a Lee-Miguel Cotto square-dance at Madison Square Garden.

“They might need three Madison Square Gardens for that fight,” said the admirably untouched by near requisite cynicism displayed by fightgame lifer Lampley.

“Knockouts” are making the 160 spot a glamour division, he stated…which led us to the segue in which Abel Sanchez won TFG’s Emanuel Steward Trainer of the Year award. He “trains fighters to embrace risk,” the HBO fixture stated. Freddie Roach came close to getting the nod, Lampley said, and he then referenced a Ring poll, which saw 16% choosing Floyd as the best pugilist today…Gennady Golovkin won, taking 48% of the first place votes. Trip G then won Knockout of the Year, and Daniel Geale fans winced.

Next up, Michelle Beadle hit the Wild Card Gym, and the ESPNer chatted up Roach. The trainer said he thinks a Pacman vs. Floyd fight would be a “great Christmas present” for all fans. He sounded optimistic, but then said he thinks Floyd is hesitant because he so adores his unbeaten status. Roach said if he retires unbeaten, Mayweather will be saddled with an asterisk, for not fighting The Congressman. Freddie then told her that Manny was superstitious about taking blood the day before the fight, because that’s what happened before his first loss. “The original negotiations were probably our fault,” Roach said, because of the blood and testing issue. Since then, Team Pacquiao has given in to Floyd’s demands, he said. Roach slapped at Floyd for fighting Marcos Maidana twice this year. Roach said Manny currently has ZERO problem with doing stringent VADA testing, right now.

Roach cracked up when discussing trying to help make The Fight, as he was in there with Bob Arum and CBS boss Les Moonves, and he noted that The Fight is, in his eyes, a “Vegas,” not a Texas, bout. Freddie said a multi fight deal makes mucho sense to him, and having HBO and Sho screen it also passes his sniff test. Roach said he’d like to see Floyd and Manny do it a couple times, maybe three times. “It’s been done before, so it can be done again!” he said. Beadle pressed him and he sounded thumbs up that May 2nd it will get done.

Beadle asked for quick responses to: Bob Arum. “He’s a character,” Roach said, who goes from Grinch-y, calling Roach an “idiot” to good Grinch, to handing Freddie a million dollar check for working a Manny bout.

Les Moonves: Jury is out, because he needs to prove he can deliver Floyd.

Floyd Mayweather: Fred said he can’t wait to get Manny ready to waltz with Money. “We have to fight the perfect fight to win,” he acknowledged. “May 2nd, I have it penciled, it’s gonna be good,” said Beadle, and Roach answered, “I think we’ve waited long enough.” Amen…

Lampley debriefed Beadle, and she said that he’s unfiltered, which she digs, as it is so rare in this era in the world of sports. “I could have sat around for four hours and just had him tell stories,” she said. She ended by saying that The Fight will be embraced fully even if many folks are tired of the endless flirtation, breakups and re-connection sessions.

Then, Lampley talked about the VADA and WBC plan in the works to have WBC-ranked boxers be tested YEAR ROUND. He gave a hearty double thumbs up to this arrangement. It would be revolutionary, he said, if the ‘BC lives up to their end of it. Manny has complied with VADA, will Floyd follow suit, Lampley asked rhetorically. That news has flown under radar, maybe rightfully so, as people take a wait and see approach till it’s implemented…

Sergey Kovalev had “another spectacular year,” Lampley said, and then reminded us about the Terence Crawford-Yuriorkis Gamboa, which he deemed TFG Fight of the Year. Video highlights were scintillating. “Bud,” Lampley said, edges out Kovalev by a hair. He teased a possible Manny Pacquiao-Crawford bout, noting they “share the same promoter.”

Then, “The Gatti List.” Gabe Rosado, no coal for his stocking; Mauricio Herrera; Andy Lee; Steve Cunningham, for showing heart and finding one for his KO kid, Kennedy; and Vasyl Lomachenko.

Max Kellerman joined Jim from another studio. Max showed love to Herrera, for fighting Danny Garcia and Jose Benavidez Jr so tough, and battling judges who seem to have it in for him. Jim said judges need help, and that they could use a TV monitor. “It’s a great idea,” Max said. They touched on Manny-Money; Max said he thinks Floyd’s aversion to being in a joint production, and his ego, stops the fight from being made. But maybe Floyd will want to keep his May date, to keep Cinco de Mayo as his weekend. “I do think Mayweather-Pacquiao happens at some point this year,” Max said.

Adonis vs. Sergey would be “explosive” and not a distance tussle, Max said; Lomachenko vs. Nicholas Walters is a compelling pairing, he said; Golovkin vs. Lemieux would be sort of Hagler-Hearns, but he thinks Team Lemieux avoids that tangle; Cotto vs. Canelo is a SUPER fight.

Lampley fought the championship rounds i.e., the closing segment, with bite and grit, and threw lumps of coal at Haymon with fireballing fury. He offered holiday greetings, and promised to check back in the new year, which we all hope is a better one for our shared addiction, the red light district of the sports world, where the best stories are found, and the most flawed and fabulous people congregate. I share his best wishes to all good people, and for the bad ones to have a Grinch moment, and find a heart.

Merry Christmas, and happy holidays, and thanks for reading, people. I appreciate it, every day.

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COMMENTS

-Radam G :

Wow! Danggit! I smell a shadow! Somebody and dey sidekick tell me ain't it so! The mysterious tsAH now has J-Lamp in his camp. OMFG! This dude tsAH is a giving-dat-big-moolah tramp. With any of the corrupted, crooked alphabet-sanctioning organizations, he can decide who is going to be champ. TsAh is on the go, and having it his way. Nobody appears able to run this _____ ______ _____ off the becoming the top-dawg-controlling-the-whole-9 ramp. Holla!


-Gabrielito :

Haymon is attempting to do what Dana White has done, and that of course is securing a monopoly on fighters. And there will be lawsuits just like the one Cung Le and others have filed against White. ... Edit Dino da Vinci


-dino da vinci :

You read it wrong, Rad. Lampley has unimpeachable integrity. He couldn't buy a Jim Lampley with a boxcar full of money.


-brownsugar :

There is really nothing good to say about a promoter who pits his fighters against international unknown "journey men" week after week ( l struggle out of respect not to call them bums). How many times can a dyed in the wool boxing fan watch a top level boxer fight another unknown no-hope opponent? And still maintain any level of interest. Watching a fighter fight just for the sake of watching a fight is like playing poker for a glass of water. People watch football all season because the regular season games lead to the climax of the going to the Super Bowl. There's a sense the competing teams on a quest... and not just simply treading water for our lack of amusement. However in 2013 Haymon gave us many blockbusters when he had to go head to head with HBO... ( after being booted for dribbling and dabbling with the competition)....boxing has always been about "what have you done for me lately" . I really don't want to see Dawson or Fonfara get their groove back on live TV. Complacency on Haymon's behalf is a huge error when a Deep Pocketed Mogul like J-Z is throwing buckets loads of cash at your fighters in broad daylight just to promote quality Shows. Combining a music concert featuring top entertainers with an entre' of competitive fights will become the norm eventually, especially for the jaded thrill seekers of NY NY. Its only a matter of time. Fights like Berto / Guerrero, Thurman/ Soto Karas, Mayweather / Canelo, and Mattysse versus Garcia actually had us glued to the tube and generated interest, ....it got people talking about boxing again. The only people profiting this year under the Haymon banner are the companies making anti-sleep preparations and caffiene products ... Why suddenly start shifting in reverse after gaining so much foreward momentum the year before? Why duck a middleweight whom Andy Lee could stop within 6 rounds? Not to take anything away from Lee but Quillen passed on 1.5 mil just to supervise his couch and change diapers. I would have went after the money and paid somebody else to watch my new borne...college is pretty expensive these days. Match 'em tough, they won't die. Maybe boxing will return to its former Glory.


-Froggy :

Great article and great post brownsugar ! How is tsAH selling his product to NBC ? I can't believe NBC is dumb enough to put out money for one-sided fights, if they are that dumb, good, they should lose their shirt if boxing fans start watching only what is worth their time to watch !


-Radam G :

You read it wrong, Rad. Lampley has unimpeachable integrity. He couldn't buy a Jim Lampley with a boxcar full of money.
Hehehehe! I was being a sarcastic Grinch who loves being down with O-P-P on Christmas morning. Hey! Y'all know me! I know that J-Lamp is a shinning star of honest in a seedy, shady, sleazy sport that we all like like a naughty, old uncle who is always talking syet and beating you climbing up coconut trees at a 114-year-old. I told Tio Mamoy that Santa Claus might be passing by on his sleigh with the reindeer, and Rudolph might kicked him in the dome. Tio went OFF! "I will have P-Island nighthawks to puck up 'em reindeer, and I'll kick Santa's pat [$??] arse. Muthapuckaaaaa...." And then Tio Mamoy felt to sleep. Hahaha! Holla!


-Carmine Cas :

Glad to see one of the big media outlets criticize tsah. Although I'm not the biggest fan of Jim Lampley someone had to do it. I think whatever car load of cash Al Haymon offers blabbering Jim, HBO will match.


-Denise Alvarez :

Who or what is "TsAH" ?


-dino da vinci :

Who or what is "TsAH" ?
The shadow Al Haymon


-brownsugar :

Great article and great post brownsugar ! How is tsAH selling his product to NBC ? I can't believe NBC is dumb enough to put out money for one-sided fights, if they are that dumb, good, they should lose their shirt if boxing fans start watching only what is worth their time to watch !
Glad you asked Froggy... Just consider the junior middleweights alone. Haymon has enlisted a rogues gallery of the best 154lbs talent in the world. The Charlo twins Lara, J Williams And newcomer Harrison. Haymon has enlisted at least 4 fighters who are qualified and talented enough to fight and potentially win a junior middleweight crown right now. And that's just one weight class. It an exaggeration to blame Haymon for Every one sided matchup. Haymon also enlists popular Journeyman who make for rousing action packed B-side opponents. Need a quick last minute sub? Call Al. He's like the Hollywood studio who's contracted 50% of the worlds best actors. The unholy truth is.... If you're in the business of producing major boxing events, sooner or later......YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH AL HAYMON. Be prepared to sell your soul....lol Haymon guarantees fighters. Happy Holidays everyone... I'm going back to nursing my head cold. .RG do you know what cures a cold?


-dino da vinci :

Of course he does. He's Radam.


-Radam G :

Fixing a cold is easy breezy. The aromatherapy approach is getting you some lemon balm leaves and peppermint leaves, boil them and holla at the aroma. The head cold will be scrambling outta Dodge before sunset or an hour or two. The Holistic approach is a pinch of the powders of cayenne pepper and cinnamon thrown in hot peppermint tea with the herb golden seal boiled in it with organic honey or a honeycomb and a couple drops of lemon juice. No head cold can take that. it will punk its way out of you before the next wake up. The boxers in da know roll with the above all the time, because a head cold is like a choke hold to the many. Merry C to all on the U.S. mainland. Da Manny wil bel flying that way in a minute. Holla!


-Radam G :

Wow! Getting back to tsAH. There is always talk about all the 130+ pugs that he has signed. Why does no scribe tell about the 60 that has dumped his services? Why did they leave? What types of fights are they getting now? I guess that they got tired of tsAH of boksing Oz. Where in da double fudge is boksing Dorothy and Toto? Toto needs to dog-teeth pull those curtains. WOW! I know! "Pay that man behind the curtains no attention." Only in boxing would you have this type of suspense. Maybe -- JUST maybe! TsAH is a relative or sumptin' [$??] of Harold Smith/Ross Field. Money May gave this dude money a few years ago in Abu Dhabi to fix him up with one of ruling Amirs/princes. The prince even let Money May use his yacht. Holla!


-brownsugar :

Fixing a cold is easy breezy. The aromatherapy approach is getting you some lemon balm leaves and peppermint leaves, boil them and holla at the aroma. The head cold will be scrambling outta Dodge before sunset or an hour or two. The Holistic approach is a pinch of the powders of cayenne pepper and cinnamon thrown in hot peppermint tea with the herb golden seal boiled in it with organic honey or a honeycomb and a couple drops of lemon juice. No head cold can take that. it will punk its way out of you before the next wake up. The boxers in da know roll with the above all the time, because a head cold is like a choke hold to the many. Merry C to all on the U.S. mainland. Da Manny wil bel flying that way in a minute. Holla!
Thank you RG... I knew I could count on you.. ...off to the laboratory.


-stormcentre :

Great article and great post brownsugar ! How is tsAH selling his product to NBC ? I can't believe NBC is dumb enough to put out money for one-sided fights, if they are that dumb, good, they should lose their shirt if boxing fans start watching only what is worth their time to watch !
Yep they're that dumb. Sorry Froggy - and it's not an attack on you - but both boxing spectators and fans (there's a difference) have been interested and enthralled for years about 2 guys fighting each other. Knowing the sport and how it works is not necessarily a perquisite for the enjoyment until you understand what it takes to be a good fighter, what one is, and how much the advisors and promoters also know that .. and of course what they're asking us to pay in order for us to watch what they're serving up. For every knowledgeable fan, there will always be 5 or 6 that are clueless and behaving as they have just downed their first Corona. We mustn't compare ourselves to mere mortals - not everyone is as insightful about the sport as we are. :cool: :D


-dino da vinci :

5 or 6? You are being amazingly kind with that ratio. ��


-stormcentre :

5 or 6? You are being amazingly kind with that ratio. ��
Yep, well I was sitting back on an island, on holidays, watching the sunset, and I had had a few vodka, lime and sodas, and was feeling nice. :)


-deepwater2 :

That tsAH picture sure is scary. tsAH deserves the Lampley Flurry. tsAH is selling out boxing. Lil Floyd sold out a long time ago.


-brownsugar :

Lol Deep...nearly all old men are scary(and ugly) except to their own families. ... Haymon's strength is that he manages a lot of top boxers... Its being reported that Chavez junior has expressed a desire to sign on when his contract with TR runs out. Some of the critism is most certainly valid. Al did use Floyd for years as a bargaining chip against HBO to get his lesser known fighters extra exposure. With Floyd being the top earner in the sport and one of the top performers and high ratings earner for HBO . .. Concessions were made. One of those was the development of a guy like Berto who simply just came with the package. Its interesting that Haymon is supposedly connecting with NBC for a new mainstream venture. NBC has a history of airing some great contests going all the way back to when they used to air Amateur boxing. ....50 years ago I watched these shows as kid. If you Remember SportsWorld you'll know NBC rarely puts on a dud. NBC has aired a bevy of local favorites as well with guys like Adamek, Cunningham, Darden, and even Kovalev dating back as recently as about two years ago. NBC seems to have a knack for extracting the best fights from the Philly and Tri-state areas. One of my favorite series was Joltin' Jeff Chandler (bantamweight) the fighter with the rapid piston jab...Jeff even earned a TKO just by jabbing a guy to death... and Frank the Animal Fletcher(middleweight) the mauling volume puncher cut in the mold of James Kirkland....... Watching either of these guys was like watching Terence Crawford vs Gamboa in Omaha. Both of those fighters mothers were so wild and boisterous at ringside they made Terrence's excitable mom look like a nun by comparison. The crowd itself went completely bonkers. Don't underestimate NBC... I don't know if they have a closet full of little old men from Vegas to advise them about boxing but NBC is savvy In fact I believe its their policy NOT to air a fight unless its going to be popular and well attended. I remember when Bradley fought Alexander in a scary arena ( and neighborhood) in Detroit that no one went to. They had to construct a makeshift blind out of blue and white tarps to hide the empty seats. I have never seen that on NBC. Don't assume Al Haymon's involvement with NBC will automatically lessen the quality of their boxing programing. NBC is no joke.


-dino da vinci :

Lol Deep...nearly all old men are scary(and ugly) except to their own families. ... Haymon's strength is that he manages a lot of top boxers... Its being reported that Chavez junior has expressed a desire to sign on when his contract with TR runs out. Some of the critism is most certainly valid. Al did use Floyd for years as a bargaining chip against HBO to get his lesser known fighters extra exposure. With Floyd being the top earner in the sport and one of the top performers and high ratings earner for HBO . .. Concessions were made. One of those was the development of a guy like Berto who simply just came with the package. Its interesting that Haymon is supposedly connecting with NBC for a new mainstream venture. NBC has a history of airing some great contests going all the way back to when they used to air Amateur boxing. ....50 years ago I watched these shows as kid. If you Remember SportsWorld you'll know NBC rarely puts on a dud. NBC has aired a bevy of local favorites as well with guys like Adamek, Cunningham, Darden, and even Kovalev dating back as recently as about two years ago. NBC seems to have a knack for extracting the best fights from the Philly and Tri-state areas. One of my favorite series was Joltin' Jeff Chandler (bantamweight) the fighter with the rapid piston jab...Jeff even earned a TKO just by jabbing a guy to death... and Frank the Animal Fletcher(middleweight) the mauling volume puncher cut in the mold of James Kirkland....... Watching either of these guys was like watching Terence Crawford vs Gamboa in Omaha. Both of those fighters mothers were so wild and boisterous at ringside they made Terrence's excitable mom look like a nun by comparison. The crowd itself went completely bonkers. Don't underestimate NBC... I don't know if they have a closet full of little old men from Vegas to advise them about boxing but NBC is savvy In fact I believe its their policy NOT to air a fight unless its going to be popular and well attended. I remember when Bradley fought Alexander in a scary arena ( and neighborhood) in Detroit that no one went to. They had to construct a makeshift blind out of blue and white tarps to hide the empty seats. I have never seen that on NBC. Don't assume Al Haymon's involvement with NBC will automatically lessen the quality of their boxing programing. NBC is no joke.
Enough with the looks. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his looks and appearance. What I'm concerned with is his agenda. My understanding is he bought the airtime and of course with that he will be able to sell the allotment of advertising minutes that was agreed to. Can't imagine he would believe he stands to benefit from one-sided outings. If he indeed bought the airtime, then I'd venture you're going to get quality match-ups, or Money is taking advice from the wrong guy.


-stormcentre :

Haymon knows that by introducing another broadcast/network player (like the NBC) to top talent (he controls) all the belts loosen a little, and perhaps the cookie jar isn't closed so tight. I think Haymon, like most with experience in the game's ivory towers, knows how to groom and manage "B" side fighters; so they, either are, or seem, like genuine contenders. Aside from fame, respect, girlies, cars and all that; fighters want enough longevity in the sport to generate an income that will carry them when they retire, and in that sense Haymon seems to have the business model. Many fighters just see the money that Mayweather is making, how he chooses who the opponent is, and that alone is a good enough advertisement to sign with Al.


-Radam G :

Haymon knows that by introducing another broadcast/network player (like the NBC) to top talent (he controls) all the belts loosen a little, and perhaps the cookie jar isn't closed so tight. I think Haymon, like most with experience in the game's ivory towers, knows how to groom and manage "B" side fighters; so they, either are, or seem, like genuine contenders. Aside from fame, respect, girlies, cars and all that; fighters want enough longevity in the sport to generate an income that will carry them when they retire, and in that sense Haymon seems to have the business model. Many fighters just see the money that Mayweather is making, how he chooses who the opponent is, and that alone is a good enough advertisement to sign with Al.
Great scooping! I think you it hit on the head about tsAH. That is classic about advertisement. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Didn't Haymon just give us all Kahn V Alexander? He must have, as I recall Sam Watson ensuring he was in most post fight interview camera frames, if not hanging off the shoulder of the fighters themselves. :)


-deepwater2 :

Didn't Haymon just give us all Kahn V Alexander? He must have, as I recall Sam Watson ensuring he was in most post fight interview camera frames, if not hanging off the shoulder of the fighters themselves. :)
I wish he gave us Garcia Khan 2 instead.


-Bernie Campbell :

Im so tired of the showmanship and the matched unrivals of proffessional boxing that the fights that you really do want to see never materialize! The promoters play with the public eye based on race baiting...anthropological characteristics..attitude..and basic theatrics in arranging matches! I say enough with the garbage and may the best man win! I must also say the Straweight and other lower divisions should get Credo too! By the way Who the hell is Sam Watson and why does this bafoon deserve credo in the sweet sport!


-stormcentre :

I wish he gave us Garcia Khan 2 instead.
Yep, me too. That's the one I'd like to see too. However, if Kahn stays focused for the entire fight and performs as he did with Alexander, who knows . . . the outcome may be different. Kahn V Thurman would be a good eliminator as well. Or . . and this is a bit mean . . . . . . Kahn V Clottey. Clottey look really good and strong against Mundine. I know Kahn is much faster, but Clottey is a hard guy to hurt and slow down. Actually, it wouldn't bother me to see Mayweather fight Kahn either . . but I am already getting tired of Kahn crowing on about that possibility. Anyway, back to where this line originated from; so, . . the fact that Haymon has given us Kahn V Alexander . . . it’s not all bad then?