Mayweather Says “A Lot of Racism” Present in Boxing

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Master media manipulator Floyd Mayweather flurried with another rapid-fire power punch combo on Wednesday, taking to his preferred outlet, Fighthype, and scoring with launches aimed at Oscar De La Hoya, Bob Arum, Manny Pacquiao–but of course–and in fact the sport as a whole, which he labeled racist in a chat with gentle inquisitor Ben Thompson.

“It's a lot of racism that goes on in the sport of boxing,” he said. “Because if I was a white American fighter with the same aura, the same style, the same pizzaz, I would be a multi billionaire. Multi billionaire. So when you look at what goes on in Ferguson, what goes on in New York City, what goes on in America in today's time, I try not to get into anyone elses business, because I don't want anyone to get into my business. But, it's crazy, I just sit back and think that it's crazy, it's totally crazy,” the boxer said.

“Well, you're right about the sport of boxing being very racist still, very, very racist, probably one of the last bastions of racism out there,” said Thompson, in agreement.

That segment drew some scorn on social media, with people noting that Floyd is the best paid man in all of sports, which undercuts his race-bias allegation, while others noted that racism is certaintly alive in well in many more pockets other than boxing.

“Money” said he spoke up Friday night, during a Showtime boxing event, about his supposed wish to make a fight with Manny Pacquiao because the timing was right. He said the “public has been lied to” by “the other side,” the Pacquiao squad, which he denigrated as “the B side.”

Floyd said he was in the Manny shoes back in 2007, when he was set to glove up against Oscar De La Hoya. He couldn't exert any leverage he didn't have and thus had to eat crow, and accept the terms Oscar set for him, he stated.

The fighter said that the May 2 date he set for a Pacman fight, which is also coveted by Canelo Alvarez, perhaps for a showdown with Puerto Rican icon Miguel Cotto, isn't allocated to any one ethnicity. The fighter didn't mention the tragic murder-suicide situation which occured last week, when his pal, the rapper Earl Hayes, authorities say, shot his wife and then turned the gun on himself.

The boxer focused mostly on Pacman, and said that he's a prizefighter, and certaintly does wish to accumulate money. He doesn't just do it for the fans, he admitted. That reasoning, I'm not sure it holds up under harsh light, as the money he could make for a Pacman fight would dwarf any other waltz, but anyway…

The fighter's chat ran over 21 minutes; Thompson didn't go the Jim Gray route on Floyd, who lauded the young questioner for being willing to admit he doesn't know it all about the sport.

Floyd said that “I'm the best at what I do,” and continued to answer those who label him a coward. “I don't mind being a rich coward,” he said, a line which drew some guffawing on Twitter. He said that he's happy to have the haters buy his PPVs, and that subject came up when he bragged that yes, maybe his PPV numbers are a bit down, but his revenues are just fine, because he's managed to raise PPV prices on the fans.

Thompson backtracked to 2009, when we first started this ludicrous dance of flirtation, which has never advanced beyond the sassing and smooching stage. Floyd said he brought the PED issue, the testing issue, to the forefront, and managed to inject doubt into the mix, and throw some shade at Pacquiao, who has never tested positive for PED use, though he has been the subject of heavy whispers. Floyd said that Team Pacquiao wanted to be alerted to random testing and then shut down testing a month before a proposed fight.

He then said that Manny has money woes, and I'm not sure what that was meant to prove, as fans are asking for the fight, and it seems to be immaterial what Manny's balance sheet is. Maybe it's a negotiation ploy?

Floyd said that Oscar De la Hoya did ex bestie Richard Scahefer dirty, in hooking up with Bob Arum. He thinks that Oscar and Bob are intimidated by him, and Al Haymon and Schaefer and Showtime boss Stephen Espinoza, he said. Then Floyd said he has no probs with ex bankroller HBO, perhaps thinking ahead to next year, when his contract is up. The 37-year-old pugilist specialist with a 47-0 mark said that Pacman isn't in control like he is, that Pacman fights when promoter Arum tells him it is time. “That's the great thing about being your own boss,” he said. Again, I think fans could care less, as long as the fights they want to see get made. If Kermit the Frog is advising Floyd and the fight with Manny gets made, it's all good…

Floyd suggested Canelo and Cotto rumble in Mexico, to to satisfy Mexican fans over the holiday. He reiterated a slap at Arum and Oscar working together, and then swung and missed, admitting he didn't know who Gennady Golovkin is promoted by. He took a slap at ex Mayweather fighter Jessie Vargas, suggesting he's not on Pacquiao's level…which, actually, he's not.

The Michigan born boxer said “I got you people paying more for pay per view,” a completely tone deaf, if, arguably, admirably candid admission…and then went into a different zone, the racism track.

He ended up suggesting people should compare PPV numbers between him and Pacman and insinuated that Pacman's money situation isn't what it seems to be, and he knows because people that used to work for Manny now work for him. He also has inside dope on other Manny matters, he hinted.

Yep, you can argue about him being TBE, but not about him being a master media manipulator.

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-stormcentre :

It's always good when Floyd clarifies things without any contradiction and/or hypocriticism, like this; because then you feel informed, uplifted, and less confused.


-dino da vinci :

Sarcasm ruling the day, eh Storm?


-dino da vinci :

It's obviously already too late, but someone should sit with Money and explain that had he not worked diligently on his wannabe gangster persona, he may have become the first multi-billionaire athlete when you couple in endorsements and investments. Instead he chose the opposite way, where leaches and parasites try to get his hard earned money, and trouble comes calling and endorsements run for cover.


-Radam G :

Wow! I told you guys on another Thread a couple days ago that Money May was going to come up with "racism" bullsyet to keep from fighting Da Manny. Money May is a sociopath. And a sociopath is going to come up with the most odd jive that only exists in his head. And he does it on key. Money May has already accepted that he cannot beat Da Manny. But his excuse for not being able to beat Da Manny is that white AmerKanos are going to rob him. OMFG! Let all the judges and referee be Afro-AmerKanos, Money May is still going to get knocked da double fudge OUT. He cannot beat Da Manny, And, bottom line, he knows that. And he is scared s***less. And is a sociopath playing with minds of the weak and others who are like him. Holla!


-Radam G :

More for Money May for to be jealous about. On Da Manny's 36th birthday, he become 1$tar honorary P-lslands Army General and Commodore in the P-Islands Coast Guard.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6t_tFGnhs. Holla!


-BFF :

I'm glad I have never paid to watch a Floyd fight. This guy is such an hypocrite. Floyd is a racist within the sport of boxing, so who the hell is he to speak. That is one main reason for me disliking this guy.what a fraud.


-stormcentre :

Sarcasm ruling the day, eh Storm?
[QUOTE=dino da vinci;72514]It's obviously already too late, but someone should sit with Money and explain that had he not worked diligently on his wannabe gangster persona, he may have become the first multi-billionaire athlete when you couple in endorsements and investments. Instead he chose the opposite way, where leaches and parasites try to get his hard earned money, and trouble comes calling and endorsements run for cover.[/QUOTE] Yes, a bit of sarcasm is not always a bad form of communication. If I have interpreted your second post correct, I agree; Floyd is, sometimes, his own worst enemy. He knows what the right thing is to say for most circumstances, and sometimes jumps straight for that. But in doing so he, can, at times, also highlight the contradictions in his own methods/approaches and also reveal the conflictions his utterings have with his own action. ""I try not to get into anyone elses business, because I don't want anyone to get into my business"." Floyd desperately needs a genuinely sincere personal advisor, and one that he is prepared to listen to. Dont hold your breath.


-New York Tony :

Can't wait for this boorish bore to retire.


-deepwater2 :

Can't wait for this boorish bore to retire.
Was Floyd on prescription drugs during this interview? I heard him and he sounded doped up and confused. I don't want to be in anyone's business- followed by I have to see Pac's last 6 paychecks. It goes on and on. Who is advising Floyd to do interviews like this? This interview back fired on Floyd. Floyd should of donated some of his fortune on causes related to ferguson related protests if he feels so strongly about it. The Judah's ,biggie Broner and Berto organized something and I didn't see Floyd or his steroid crew there. Boxing will be better off when The best excuse retires again. Purse splits and ppv numbers are best kept at the negotiating table. The best fighters like to talk about fighting each other.


-Radam G :

Was Floyd on prescription drugs during this interview? I heard him and he sounded doped up and confused. I don't want to be in anyone's business- followed by I have to see Pac's last 6 paychecks. It goes on and on. Who is advising Floyd to do interviews like this? This interview back fired on Floyd. Floyd should of donated some of his fortune on causes related to ferguson related protests if he feels so strongly about it. The Judah's ,biggie Broner and Berto organized something and I didn't see Floyd or his steroid crew there. Boxing will be better off when The best excuse retires again. Purse splits and ppv numbers are best kept at the negotiating table. The best fighters like to talk about fighting each other.
I already told you guys that Money May is on a trick of the trade taking-dat-syet medical procedure. His Pops, Joy May, is trying to play it off and take the attention off it by saying that his seed is going through a crisis from "seeing a murder-suicide." Maybe! But I don't buy it. Anyway! Holla at Money May's latest rant:
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz4eEz3hKcQ. Holla!


-michigan400 :

And Floyd is one of the biggest racists in boxing!! I'll NEVER be on this A-holes band wagon. I'd rather jump off at highway speeds. From a 2010 video - "I'm on vacation for about a year, about a year," Mayweather said. "As soon as we come off vacation, we're going to cook that little yellow chump. We ain't worried about that. So they ain't gotta worry about me fighting the midget. Once I kick the midget ***, I don't want you all to jump on my d---. So you all better get on the bandwagon now. ... Once I stomp the midget, I'll make that mother f----- make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice."
->http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5527403


-Radam G :

Money May is such a BIG liar and bluffer. He doesn't know syet about Da Manny. And he tells one great exaggeration after another. But he won't step in dat squared across from Da Manny. I wonder why? And don't lie on an old Jew. Holla!


-leon30001 :

Floyd's right; and a lot of it emanates from his "own self"!


-dino da vinci :

@michigan400. At highway speeds. Great line! @NY Tony. Ah c'mon, you'll miss him a little bit. @leon30001. Someone needs to explain to Money that if you truly do plan on engaging Mr Pacquiao, you need to be building him up, not tearing him down. People already know that most people who fight do not like each other. Sort of difficult to get warm and fuzzy about a guy whose agenda is to damage you. Look for my bulletin points (which I haven't assembled yet, but will get implemented virtually in their entirety by The Money Team) coming soon.


-Gabrielito :

Yeah there sure is! "I would never let a white boy beat me!" Comes to mind, as said by Bernard Hopkins. Floyd has tossed every anti- asian insult he knows at manny Pacquaio.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Manny vs. Floyd would be a relatively easy fight for Floyd stylistically. All of that lunging and jumping in would get Manny pot shotted all night long. Manny has pop, but hasn't had a knockout in years. Mayweather has been in with much harder hitters, therefore the KO factor would be null and void if this fight occurred. I don't agree with all of Mayweather's antics, but he is the best of his generation when it comes to putting on boxing clinics.


-Carmine Cas :

And Floyd is one of the biggest racists in boxing!! I'll NEVER be on this A-holes band wagon. I'd rather jump off at highway speeds. From a 2010 video - "I'm on vacation for about a year, about a year," Mayweather said. "As soon as we come off vacation, we're going to cook that little yellow chump. We ain't worried about that. So they ain't gotta worry about me fighting the midget. Once I kick the midget ***, I don't want you all to jump on my d---. So you all better get on the bandwagon now. ... Once I stomp the midget, I'll make that mother f----- make me a sushi roll and cook me some rice."
->http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5527403
I was just going to post that lol. Floyd puts his foot in his mouth yet again! Wasn't he remaining neutral or taking Donald Sterling's side when the Clippers situation imploded over the summer? Albeit that was a tricky situation in itself. But whatever he does it for the money, although Dino made a good point; had he had a more marketable persona he would have gotten a ton of sponsorship endorsement and very well been close to attaining a billion dollars.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

I was just going to post that lol. Floyd puts his foot in his mouth yet again! Wasn't he remaining neutral or taking Donald Sterling's side when the Clippers situation imploded over the summer? Albeit that was a tricky situation in itself. But whatever he does it for the money, although Dino made a good point; had he had a more marketable persona he would have gotten a ton of sponsorship endorsement and very well been close to attaining a billion dollars.
Floyd earns more than any other athlete in the world and he has done it by doing it "his way." Boxing is ARGUABLY a racist sport, but so is football (American) and other sports. Racism is ingrained in every facet of society. I choose to focus on Floyd's boxing ability because he is no Muhammad Ali when it comes to speaking out against the establishment or social injustice. He is a very good business man and a genius inside the ring. Nothing more, nothing less. He should exit the sport on his own terms after defeating Khan and Manny!


-OneTonMan :

I think BEN THOMPSON agrees with Mayweather ALL THE TIME. He gets his scoop from Jr. and Sr.:rolleyes:


-Radam G :

Floyd earns more than any other athlete in the world and he has done it by doing it "his way." Boxing is ARGUABLY a racist sport, but so is football (American) and other sports. Racism is ingrained in every facet of society. I choose to focus on Floyd's boxing ability because he is no Muhammad Ali when it comes to speaking out against the establishment or social injustice. He is a very good business man and a genius inside the ring. Nothing more, nothing less. He should exit the sport on his own terms after defeating Khan and Manny!
I agree racism is everywhere. And Lil' Floyd is great with it. He is a chief racist who one day will stumble and tumble like all the rest. And he is awesome in dat squared jungle, but far from a genius. He knows who to fight and who not to fight. One slip up with matching, and he will be out like an Uncle Roger against Rocky Lockridge. Holla!


-amayseng :

He's one to talk.


-Radam G :

Manny vs. Floyd would be a relatively easy fight for Floyd stylistically. All of that lunging and jumping in would get Manny pot shotted all night long. Manny has pop, but hasn't had a knockout in years. Mayweather has been in with much harder hitters, therefore the KO factor would be null and void if this fight occurred. I don't agree with all of Mayweather's antics, but he is the best of his generation when it comes to putting on boxing clinics.
WOW! WOW! OMFG! You suffer from serious luv-Floyd blindness. Lil' Floyd will get "pot shotted" and knocked down more time than Chris Algieri did, because delusional Lil' Floyd hops in with his slap jabbing, side-right bear clawing and kangaroo left hooking. And when Money May cannot shoulder roll, he puts on ear muffs. Da Manny "will his break his ribs and arm-pit missile "dat muthapucka and make him sh*t his trunks," says my Tio Mamoy. Money May has no defense against Da Manny's right hook. And when and if Money May shoulder rolls, he will be a big sucker for Da Manny's left cross and left uppercut off it. Money May is easy to beat. That is why about fighting Da Manny, he is in steady retreat. And to all his fanfaronades, fan boys and groupies, he bullsyets. Look how clumsy and amateurish that Money May's foot work is. And don't forget how aboveI I wrote how he throws -- not shoot -- punches.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZmM9dxGvxs. Money May doesn't want that work. Because Da Manny will destroy another myth, which is full of syet, xylocaine, blood doping and hormone replacement therapy. Holla!


-King Beef :

It's obviously already too late, but someone should sit with Money and explain that had he not worked diligently on his wannabe gangster persona, he may have become the first multi-billionaire athlete when you couple in endorsements and investments. Instead he chose the opposite way, where leaches and parasites try to get his hard earned money, and trouble comes calling and endorsements run for cover.
Not so sure about that Dino, If you remember Mayweather really didn't start getting those big paydays until after the "money mayweather" persona was created; he is a victim of that double edged sword, the big paydays came but with a overall price to the after boxing long cash ...endorsements etc... and the out of the rings fiascos don't help either. He is right about racism and bias in boxing, more so bias I think; but he is probably not the perfect spokesman, nor is he the only perpetrator, hell you even have Coach Roach getting down and dirty with it!


-Radam G :

I think BEN THOMPSON agrees with Mayweather ALL THE TIME. He gets his scoop from Jr. and Sr.:rolleyes:
He is a POS. And the number one Mayweather fan boy. He doesn't challenge Money May on anything, even when he knows that Money May is straight lying. Take for instant Money May fibbing about he got people whose to work him who used to work for Da Manny, but left Da Manny to come to him. OMFG! We all know that s&? coach Alex Ariza was fire by both trainers Freddie Roach and Roberto Garcia. And after nine years of being a mediocre sparringmate for Da Manny and failed pug, Top Notch Trainer Freddie Roach pink slipped Rashad Holloway. These two $h?+-?anned failures are who Money May is bragging about leaving Da Manny. OMFG! Hehehe! Neither one of them is still is around the Mayweather Gym nowadays. Pops Joy May ran them off. Listen to what said about Ariza:
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l3tiTNddWA. And he just decided that he wasn't going to waste his time training Rashad, because Rashad is already on the old side for boxing and hasn't improved even as a sparring mate. Here goes PJM and Rashad all lovey dovey before Da Manny beat Chris Algieri. The clown Rashad was giving C-Al a BIG, BIG chance to "stop" Da Manny. Too bad that TMT, PJM, Uncle Roger, Money May and tsAH didn't give Rashad's weasel, betraying, kissing arse love.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owcGrEkrW0. Holla!


-The Shadow :

He is a POS. And the number one Mayweather fan boy. He doesn't challenge Money May on anything, even when he knows that Money May is straight lying. Take for instant Money May fibbing about he got people whose to work him who used to work for Da Manny, but left Da Manny to come to him. OMFG! We all know that s&? coach Alex Ariza was fire by both trainers Freddie Roach and Roberto Garcia. And after nine years of being a mediocre sparringmate for Da Manny and failed pug, Top Notch Trainer Freddie Roach pink slipped Rashad Holloway. These two $h?+-?anned failures are who Money May is bragging about leaving Da Manny. OMFG! Hehehe! Neither one of them is still is around the Mayweather Gym nowadays. Pops Joy May ran them off. Listen to what said about Ariza:
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l3tiTNddWA. And he just decided that he wasn't going to waste his time training Rashad, because Rashad is already on the old side for boxing and hasn't improved even as a sparring mate. Here goes PJM and Rashad all lovey dovey before Da Manny beat Chris Algieri. The clown Rashad was giving C-Al a BIG, BIG chance to "stop" Da Manny. Too bad that TMT, PJM, Uncle Roger, Money May and tsAH didn't give Rashad's weasel, betraying, kissing arse love.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6owcGrEkrW0. Holla!
He's not a POS, Ben Thompson is a good dude. Have you ever met him? He's a real cool brother man. Not talking about about anything he does with his site, just talking as a human being.


-The Shadow :

I haven't read all the comments in this thread and I don't intend to. I will just say this: Racism is my speciality and an oft misunderstood subject. Researching racism is part of what I did for a living before I arrived here. I know it empirically, scientifically, academically, and personally. Two important things about the topics stand out: 1) Denial of racism is often a major indicator of just that. 2) Boxing is the one field where a black man is hated by the majority of the viewers, yet is the HIGHEST PAID ATHLETE in all of sports. I'm done here.


-dino da vinci :

Not so sure about that Dino, If you remember Mayweather really didn't start getting those big paydays until after the "money mayweather" persona was created; he is a victim of that double edged sword, the big paydays came but with a overall price to the after boxing long cash ...endorsements etc... and the out of the rings fiascos don't help either. He is right about racism and bias in boxing, more so bias I think; but he is probably not the perfect spokesman, nor is he the only perpetrator, hell you even have Coach Roach getting down and dirty with it!
Floyd is an extremely handsome fella, but in spots his own worst enemy. Everybody knows he's an especially gifted athlete, but with the daddy issues, and others both major and minor, the big easy money (of sponsorship) will continue to elude him. Let's take Jordan. If you took the endorsement money he has generated, you could throw away the salary the Bulls paid him. And here's the thing, no athlete will ever earn what a fighter is capable of earning on a yearly basis. Too many guys on a team to pay one of them Mayweather type money. I assure you, with the right mindset, Mayweather would have been scary wealthy.


-deepwater2 :

Racism is a problem. So is Misogyny. Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women. Floyd is in the NY Daily news this morning for grabbing a salesgirl's arm and calling her a b...h and w...e, At Saks yesterday. Floyd didn't even ask to see her last 6 pay checks or current pay per view numbers before engaging her.


-amayseng :

Racism is a problem. So is Misogyny. Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women. Floyd is in the NY Daily news this morning for grabbing a salesgirl's arm and calling her a b...h and w...e, At Saks yesterday. Floyd didn't even ask to see her last 6 pay checks or current pay per view numbers before engaging her.
haha This guy has a real problem with putting his hands on women. What entitles him to physically manhandle a woman, a stranger at that? For any reason? What justification does Floyd have for calling a sales worker such names, let alone physically grabbing her? If it wasn't for Floyd's team of bodyguards someone would have broken his neck by now for his antics.


-amayseng :

I haven't read all the comments in this thread and I don't intend to. I will just say this: Racism is my speciality and an oft misunderstood subject. Researching racism is part of what I did for a living before I arrived here. I know it empirically, scientifically, academically, and personally. Two important things about the topics stand out: 1) Denial of racism is often a major indicator of just that. 2) Boxing is the one field where a black man is hated by the majority of the viewers, yet is the HIGHEST PAID ATHLETE in all of sports. I'm done here.
Why wouldn't he be hated by the majority of viewers?? There are numerous videos of him spewing racial comments himself. He is a well known racist. He is a well known woman beater. Black or white who likes a person of this behavior?


-amayseng :

I haven't read all the comments in this thread and I don't intend to. I will just say this: Racism is my speciality and an oft misunderstood subject. Researching racism is part of what I did for a living before I arrived here. I know it empirically, scientifically, academically, and personally. Two important things about the topics stand out: 1) Denial of racism is often a major indicator of just that. 2) Boxing is the one field where a
black man is hated by the majority of the viewers, yet is the HIGHEST PAID ATHLETE in all of sports. I'm done here.
You know who else is HATED? -child molesters -rapists -murderers -thieves -kidnappers Floyd isn't hated for being black, he is hated for being a woman beating racist idiot.


-stormcentre :

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers. Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy. Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour. Race, perhaps - but not colour. Even then (as far as race) it's usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG. I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on. But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view. There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing. Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples. If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also? Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism. But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean. In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport. Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired. Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and contain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . it can create a situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves are acting in a way that they believe others are. This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be. Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys. Anyway, that's just my perspective. Happy to be set straight on my oversights.


-stormcentre :

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers. Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy. Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour. Race, perhaps - but not colour. Even then (as far as race) its usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG. I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on. But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view. There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing. Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples. If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also? Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism. But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean. In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport. Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired. Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and constrain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic, and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims "he" is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . that situation itself can create another situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts might just jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves, are acting in a way that they believe others are. This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be; real or imagined. Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys. Anyway, that's just my perspective. Happy to be set straight on my oversights.


-stormcentre :

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers. Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy. Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour. Race, perhaps - but not colour. Even then (as far as race) it usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG. I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on. But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view. There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing. Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples. If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also? Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism. But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean. In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport. Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired. Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and constrain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic, and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . that situation itself can create another situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts might just jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves, are acting in a way that they believe others are. This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be; real or imagined. Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys. Anyway, that's just my perspective. Happy to be set straight on my oversights.


-Radam G :

He's not a POS, Ben Thompson is a good dude. Have you ever met him? He's a real cool brother man. Not talking about about anything he does with his site, just talking as a human being.
YUP! I know him. He is a 15-faced chameleon. You have to understand that many people in and around boxing have umpteen personalities. BT will not stand up to Money May. He is a fan boy. Holla!


-Carmine Cas :

Floyd earns more than any other athlete in the world and he has done it by doing it "his way." Boxing is ARGUABLY a racist sport, but so is football (American) and other sports. Racism is ingrained in every facet of society. I choose to focus on Floyd's boxing ability because he is no Muhammad Ali when it comes to speaking out against the establishment or social injustice. He is a very good business man and a genius inside the ring. Nothing more, nothing less. He should exit the sport on his own terms after defeating Khan and Manny!
I mean when you're a die hard fan of pugilism it makes it easier to see past a boxer's flaws but at the end of the day the pugilist is still going to be placed under a microscope. Floyd's business acumen will truly be put to the test after he retires and Showtime isn't paying him $34 million + a pop..


-Carmine Cas :

Racism is a problem. So is Misogyny. Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women. Floyd is in the NY Daily news this morning for grabbing a salesgirl's arm and calling her a b...h and w...e, At Saks yesterday. Floyd didn't even ask to see her last 6 pay checks or current pay per view numbers before engaging her.
LOL did he give her the blow up Chino gloves or did he let her choose?


-Radam G :

Yeh, I'm not sure that any black man in boxing is hated by the majority of the viewers. Tyson's following was immense, and he clearly was not a straight laced guy. Perhaps I don't know the figures (associated with racism in boxing), but I have never noticed a difference in how myself or anyone I have known has followed, idolised and/or disliked; based on their colour. Race, perhaps - but not colour. Even then (as far as race) it usually only goes to the extent that you see when a Mexican fights a Rican at MSG. I think the (racism and racism in boxing) discussion is extremely complex for many reasons, including the fact that - like many Mexicans - many coloured Americans and/or coloured American citizens, for various reasons (including livelihood opportunities/potential) find themselves excelling at sports, perhaps, more than other vocations, and therefore it can seem as if coloured folk are the sporting commodity that professional white men trade, control, and look down on. But that is, in my opinion, a distorted view. There are many successful black and white men in many sport's upper tiers, including boxing. Haymon and Fifty Cent, are but a few examples. If we were going to say that black people are the subject of racism in boxing, then why stop there? Mexicans could also make a good case also? Yes America (like other countries) has a tainted history with racism. But I am not sure that boxing now has any more or less racism than whatever the residual value of that overall racism may be, in todays updated values; since widespread social awareness and equal civil rights became an issue and also prevalent from back in the days of Martin Luther King . . if you know what I mean. In fact, I think you could easily mount an argument that supports how black people - many of whom seem to have a natural rhythm - not only have great opportunities in boxing - but have also proven to be incredibly adept and successful in the sport. Many of my favourite fighters are black and I think they're cool regardless of whether they're active or retired. Unfortunately though, and this is what can make the racism discussion even more complex; if you get a successful black athlete that behaves controversially . . . to the extent that the social and public backlash starts to hurt his ego, expose his logic and constrain paycheques . . . and in response to that . . if he then, overlooks all his own racial slurs, questionable actions, and comments, and then - to ease the pain and embarrassment associated with his damaged ego, exposed logic, and possibly his diminished paycheques (May 2015 date for boxing) - he comes out and claims he is the victim of racism in boxing . . . . . that situation itself can create another situation where - on first inspection - those that are susceptible to such thoughts might just jump on the bandwagon without thinking if they, themselves, are acting in a way that they believe others are. This does nothing to accurately define and/or stem any real problem with racism that there may be; real or imagined. Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Mike Tyson, Tommy Hearns, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Joan Guzman, Nigel Benn, Steve Johnson, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, and the list goes on . . . with the exception of maybe 2 of them, I have never heard anyone hate or seriously curse these guys. Anyway, that's just my perspective. Happy to be set straight on my oversights.
Great perspective. Boxing is a long way from being as racist as Money May and Ben Thompson claim. Maybe the knuckleheads who don't have power are racists, but they don't have influence and cannot make da play to control the pay. Let us holla at some history of the reality of the actuality. From 1905 to 1915, considering today's weak dollar and world inflation, "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson was making Money May's type of money and was the top paid athlete. During World War II, the top-paid athlete -- with his endorsement -- was Joe Louis. During the Vietnam War, the top paid athlete was Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali, who bragged how he could pay the salaries of thousands of troop and buy a couple "M-14 jets," and still not be broke. And since that time, holla at all the boxing millionaires of color who were ripped off by a Don King, not da BobFather. And it was no white Jew ripping off Da Manny. Holla at notorious crook Murad Muhammad. C'mon, man! Money May's lifestyle, tude and fright of Da Manny are the problems haunting him from being a "billionaire," not racism. Without getting caught up in Money May's phony jive, he is full of Fairy-Tail making-up bullsyet. In the top 10 of who has made the most money in boxing by today's value of the dollar, 10 Afrikan-Amerkanos are at the top. Now what racist sport will do that? And don't try to pull a trick and say that they would have made more if they were white. Boston Bad Boy John L.Sullivan was white. He could have been boxing's first millionaire. But he would not fight a black fighter, he made less. The same with Jack Dempsey and others. The Cinderella Man fought a black, he made more money. Now bulljiving Money May ought to QUIT. If he fights an Asian -- y'all know which one I'm talking -- he could be that billionaire. But he rather talk dumb sh** about him representing "the Mexicans and African Americans against the (Jew) Caucasians and Asians." And that the last time that he checked, Cinco de mayo was a holiday for everybody. But now "Oscar Dela Hoya is back with Bob Arum, and is trying to take the holiday away." Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

WOW! WOW! OMFG! You suffer from serious luv-Floyd blindness. Lil' Floyd will get "pot shotted" and knocked down more time than Chris Algieri did, because delusional Lil' Floyd hops in with his slap jabbing, side-right bear clawing and kangaroo left hooking. And when Money May cannot shoulder roll, he puts on ear muffs. Da Manny "will his break his ribs and arm-pit missile "dat muthapucka and make him sh*t his trunks," says my Tio Mamoy. Money May has no defense against Da Manny's right hook. And when and if Money May shoulder rolls, he will be a big sucker for Da Manny's left cross and left uppercut off it. Money May is easy to beat. That is why about fighting Da Manny, he is in steady retreat. And to all his fanfaronades, fan boys and groupies, he bullsyets. Look how clumsy and amateurish that Money May's foot work is. And don't forget how aboveI I wrote how he throws -- not shoot -- punches.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZmM9dxGvxs. Money May doesn't want that work. Because Da Manny will destroy another myth, which is full of syet, xylocaine, blood doping and hormone replacement therapy. Holla!

->http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above.


-Radam G :


->http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above.
What do you expect from Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- he Is just a C+ pug -- and a G lover of tsAH and Money May. Paulie puts lotion on their balls. Hehe! Dude ain't right. For the tandem of MM and tsAH, he's tight. He is always on call for short time. Hehehe! Holla!


-Radam G :

T-Craw is a modern-day Donald Curry. He is going to be a big disappointment for you. And ev'ybodee and dey can beat Da Manny until they are in dat squared jungle across from him. They they get beat down. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

What do you expect from Pauline -- I l mean Paulie -- he Is just a C+ pug -- and a G lover of tsAH and Money May. Paulie puts lotion on their balls. Hehe! Dude ain't right. For the tandem of MM and tsAH, he's tight. He is always on call for short time. Hehehe! Holla!
Manny is a very good boxer, but skill wise he isn't even in the top 5 pound 4 pound. I mentioned the Crawford fight because it is a fight that is easy to negotiate and it would be very dangerous for Pac. I will go as far as to say that Pac hasn't fought a boxer as skilled as Crawford. Pac better get that Mayweather money while he can because I can name about 3 jr. welterweights/welterweights that can beat him. Pac is one of the most protected fighters in boxing, but the gig is up. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

T-Craw is a modern-day Donald Curry. He is going to be a big disappointment for you. And ev'ybodee and dey can beat Da Manny until they are in dat squared jungle across from him. They they get beat down. Holla!
There is levels to this $hit. Crawford neutralizes the southpaw angle/advantage by fighting Manny out of the southpaw stance and puts on a clinic. Keith Thurman catches Manny jumping in and knocks the little man out. The Virgil Hunter version of Khan also gives Manny fits. It's time for Manny to face a threat, he can run but he can't hide. Nobody is going to buy or support another Chris Algeri caliber fight again. The gig is up, holla!


-Radam G :

Hehehe! Keep hallucinating. But optical illusions don't work in the reality of the actuality. And that mythology of psychology is the WRONG philosophy. That is street jive. It doesn't work in dat squared jungle. Da Manny is a skilled boxer-swarmer, cutie dancer, starker-a$$-kicking walker. He will peaco?k-strut beat Money May or T-Craw down. You haters would be shocked, and could not make a sound. You would your boys Money May and T-Craw at lost and found. Hehehe! You got jokes. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Hehehe! Keep hallucinating. But optical illusions don't work in the reality of the actuality. And that mythology of psychology is the WRONG philosophy. That is street jive. It doesn't work in dat squared jungle. Da Manny is a skilled boxer-swarmer, cutie dancer, starker-a$$-kicking walker. He will peaco?k-strut beat Money May or T-Craw down. You haters would be shocked, and could not make a sound. You would your boys Money May and T-Craw at lost and found. Hehehe! You got jokes. Holla!
Manny better keep fighting powder puff punchers like Bradley and Algieri with limited skills lol. The last "A" level boxer (Marquez) with skills Manny faced knocked him smooth out. Bob better keep feeding Manny "B/B+" level fighters. Avoid fighters like Floyd and Crawford at all cost. The truth hurts brother, but it will set you free!


-deepwater2 :


->http://youtu.be/meOshQpDTDk Roy Jones Jr blasts Mayweather. Some funny things: * Roy said Mayweather should have fought Pac already so he can retire because people are sick of trying to stay awake during Floyds fights. * Roy said the supposed best ever just danced 24 rounds with Maidana and the most exciting thing about the fight was Maidana bit Floyd and Floyd jumped around and cried like a girl worse than holyfield did when he had his ear chomped off.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :


->http://youtu.be/meOshQpDTDk Roy Jones Jr blasts Mayweather. Some funny things: * Roy said Mayweather should have fought Pac already so he can retire because people are sick of trying to stay awake during Floyds fights. * Roy said the supposed best ever just danced 24 rounds with Maidana and the most exciting thing about the fight was Maidana bit Floyd and Floyd jumped around and cried like a girl worse than holyfield did when he had his ear chomped off.
He is also on record as saying that Floyd would beat Pac if the two ever fought. Roy is just hating because Floyd is on Showtime now. Hey Roy, don't hate the player, hate the game!


-Radam G :

Da Manny is a world fighter. Money May is an American fighter. And in his own words, he is for the Afrikan-AmerKanos, Mexicans and (poor) whites against the (rich Jew) Caucasians and Asians. WTF! Forget Money May. He talks so much syet. Money May is such a rich Don-King-like bulks***er that he has pulled blue collar-working Mexicans and blacks into believing that he is fighting the war for them against the big-money whites -- especially Jews like da Bobfather -- and the big-brain Asians. Money May is out of the Looney Tunes. And he has seriously messed up some blue-collar workers and out-of-work hanging-out-standing-on-the-corners dudes' brain chemicals. He has turned those dudes in cartoons. C'mon, SRD! Quit it! Use your head, not your heart. Money May has fought cherry-picking smart. And he is going to stay away from fighting Da Manny, because Da Manny would tear his arse apart. And lets just wait and see T-Craw. I'm not so sure that he can even beat C-Al and a whole lot of other pugs at 140lbs. He fought a rusty, outta-of-the-ring-for-too-long Gamboa. And a Da-Manny sparringmate that T-Craw could not stop. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Da Manny is a world fighter. Money May is an American fighter. And in his own words, he is for the Afrikan-AmerKanos, Mexicans and (poor) whites against the (rich Jew) Caucasians and Asians. WTF! Forget Money May. He talks so much syet. Money May is such a rich Don-King-like bulks***er that he has pulled blue collar-working Mexicans and blacks into believing that he is fighting the war for them against the big-money whites -- especially Jews like da Bobfather -- and the big-brain Asians. Money May is out of the Looney Tunes. And he has seriously messed up some blue-collar workers and out-of-work hanging-out-standing-on-the-corners dudes' brain chemicals. He has turned those dudes in cartoons. C'mon, SRD! Quit it! Use your head, not your heart. Money May has fought cherry-picking smart. And he is going to stay away from fighting Da Manny, because Da Manny would tear his arse apart. And lets just wait and see T-Craw. I'm not so sure that he can even beat C-Al and a whole lot of other pugs at 140lbs. He fought a rusty, outta-of-the-ring-for-too-long Gamboa. And a Da-Manny sparringmate that T-Craw could not stop. Holla!
I am using my head. Styles make fights and Manny is made to order for master boxers; pugilist that can negotiate timing and distance. Crawford doesn't have the resume yet, but his skills are already pound 4 pound worthy. Only a hater states otherwise.


-Radam G :

I am using my head. Styles make fights and Manny is made to order for master boxers; pugilist that can negotiate timing and distance. Crawford doesn't have the resume yet, but his skills are already pound 4 pound worthy. Only a hater states otherwise.
True DA! True DA! Styles make fights. And Money May has the wrong style to hang with Da Manny. And Money May knows it because he and his shoulder rolling, earmuffing and head drop folding were hurt by five southpaws -- two in the amateurs that beat his arse -- and three in the pros that cut up his mug or knocked him down or into the ropes. The blind refs missed it, but world can see it on film video. Holla!


-Radam G :

T-Craw would get kayoed in the middle of switching from righty to lefty. He doesn't do it correctly. An in-shape Gamboa would have stopped him. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

True DA! True DA! Styles make fights. And Money May has the wrong style to hang with Da Manny. And Money May knows it because he and his shoulder rolling, earmuffing and head drop folding were hurt by five southpaws -- two in the amateurs that beat his arse -- and three in the pros that cut up his mug or knocked him down or into the ropes. The blind refs missed it, but world can see it on film video. Holla!
You are primarily referring to the Judah fight. Floyd's glove touched the canvas and a knock down should have been called. However, with the exception of the first four rounds, Floyd dominated the fight. This brings me to another point. In that fight and against other southpaws, Floyd doesn't really use the Philly Shell/shoulder roll, except in spots. He is a great defensive fighter and realizes that the southpaw angle does not allow him to roll a "left cross" as he would a "right cross" against a orthodox fighter. Lately, Floyd fights a southpaw by keeping his lead hand (jab hand) long so he can parry the jab and shoot his jab. When all else fails he uses a high guard defense and does a lot of slipping/dipping when cornered. I don't just watch boxing, I'm a student of the game. I have no dog in the fight, Floyd isn't paying my bills. He whips Manny relatively easy.


-brownsugar :

Floyd is not the same fighter he was when he masterminded the perfect title heist against Genaro Hernandez , and conducted a texbook reverse-engineering class against Diego Corrales. In contrast Pac was still impressive against the likes of Rios, Bradley and Algieri. But Pac is significantly more challenged when a fighter can control lateral movement and distance. Floyd can still do both of those things very well. Make it happen in may.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Floyd is not the same fighter he was when he masterminded the perfect title heist against Genaro Hernandez , and conducted a texbook reverse-engineering class against Diego Corrales. In contrast Pac was still impressive against the likes of Rios, Bradley and Algieri. But Pac is significantly more challenged when a fighter can control lateral movement and distance. Floyd can still do both of those things very well. Make it happen in may.
I agree B-Sug. In my opinion Manny would be less of a risk than Thurman or even Khan stylistically and I think Money knows that, which is why we might actually get to see the fight.


-michigan400 :

Floyd is not the same fighter he was when he masterminded the perfect title heist against Genaro Hernandez , and conducted a texbook reverse-engineering class against Diego Corrales. In contrast Pac was still impressive against the likes of Rios, Bradley and Algieri. But Pac is significantly more challenged when a fighter can control lateral movement and distance. Floyd can still do both of those things very well. Make it happen in may.
Agree on all points!! Well said.


-Radam G :

You are primarily referring to the Judah fight. Floyd's glove touched the canvas and a knock down should have been called. However, with the exception of the first four rounds, Floyd dominated the fight. This brings me to another point. In that fight and against other southpaws, Floyd doesn't really use the Philly Shell/shoulder roll, except in spots. He is a great defensive fighter and realizes that the southpaw angle does not allow him to roll a "left cross" as he would a "right cross" against a orthodox fighter. Lately, Floyd fights a southpaw by keeping his lead hand (jab hand) long so he can parry the jab and shoot his jab. When all else fails he uses a high guard defense and does a lot of slipping/dipping when cornered. I don't just watch boxing, I'm a student of the game. I have no dog in the fight, Floyd isn't paying my bills. He whips Manny relatively easy.
"High guard" my arse! He goes earmuffing, and is exposed to body snatching and uppercut catching. The southpaws who put it on him in the pros were -- first: Reggie Sanders, who confused da syet outta Money May and cut his eye and top lip. Pops Joy May was in jail at that time for being a pusher man, and was as mad as a gorilla bytch. He cussed Uncle Jeff and Uncle Roger out and told them not to ever let "Lil' fight another southpaw" until he got out of jail. And when he got out of jail, he let Money May spar with the southpaw "Pittsburgh Kid," who also put a beat down on Money May. Second: DeMarcus Corey knocked Money May down into the ropes, but the blind ref missed it. And didn't call it. DC let Money May get his head with taunts and put downs. Thus, Money May won. Third: The world saw the hotheaded, immature Super Zab Judah do da do on Money May. But Money May taunting and mocking Judah caused Judah to lose it all by losing his head. Da Manny is from a different culture. Money May can do nothing to get into Da Manny's head or effect with stateside bullsyet fro the U.S. mainland. If it would be fight, during the promoting times, Money May would not put his on hands Da Manny, as Money May did Vicious-less Victor Ortiz. Because then it would not be a squared jungle Bout. Da Manny would beat da smithereens out of Money May on the spot, while Da Manny's stealth security guards of former SEALS Teams, CIA, DIA, Delta Force and Pinoy and other Asian Ninja forces beat da hebejeebeez out of Money May's roids-using big uglies. Pac haters can deal with make-believe and fantasy all they like. But it is the American way of the locked out and can't be. About one of their ratchet, cruel-to-reality-of-the-actuality heros, they believe bulljive that they cannot even see. And they cannot see it, because of in-love major blindness. Love of Money May's triple jive, makes his fanfaronades and groupies blind to all. Money May will fall in the round I call. Hehehe! He is on short time, and knows it. And he's scared s**tless of Da Manny. Holla!


-Froggy :

Radam G, you said he's gonna fall in the round you call, he going to fight him, he going to fight him !!??


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

"High guard" my arse! He goes earmuffing, and is exposed to body snatching and uppercut catching. The southpaws who put it on him in the pros were -- first: Reggie Sanders, who confused da syet outta Money May and cut his eye and top lip. Pops Joy May was in jail at that time for being a pusher man, and was as mad as a gorilla bytch. He cussed Uncle Jeff and Uncle Roger out and told them not to ever let "Lil' fight another southpaw" until he got out of jail. And when he got out of jail, he let Money May spar with the southpaw "Pittsburgh Kid," who also put a beat down on Money May. Second: DeMarcus Corey knocked Money May down into the ropes, but the blind ref missed it. And didn't call it. DC let Money May get his head with taunts and put downs. Thus, Money May won. Third: The world saw the hotheaded, immature Super Zab Judah do da do on Money May. But Money May taunting and mocking Judah caused Judah to lose it all by losing his head. Da Manny is from a different culture. Money May can do nothing to get into Da Manny's head or effect with stateside bullsyet fro the U.S. mainland. If it would be fight, during the promoting times, Money May would not put his on hands Da Manny, as Money May did Vicious-less Victor Ortiz. Because then it would not be a squared jungle Bout. Da Manny would beat da smithereens out of Money May on the spot, while Da Manny's stealth security guards of former SEALS Teams, CIA, DIA, Delta Force and Pinoy and other Asian Ninja forces beat da hebejeebeez out of Money May's roids-using big uglies. Pac haters can deal with make-believe and fantasy all they like. But it is the American way of the locked out and can't be. About one of their ratchet, cruel-to-reality-of-the-actuality heros, they believe bulljive that they cannot even see. And they cannot see it, because of in-love major blindness. Love of Money May's triple jive, makes his fanfaronades and groupies blind to all. Money May will fall in the round I call. Hehehe! He is on short time, and knows it. And he's scared s**tless of Da Manny. Holla!
Sanders fight: He was still a kid. Using that fight to gauge Floyd is like me using the fight when Pac was a kid and got knocked out by a body shot. Not a very accurate assessment to analyze either fighter currently. Chop Chop fight: Floyd got clipped pretty good by Corley and chose to primarily stand in the pocket with him. The ref missed a couple of Mayweather knockdowns of Corley that were ruled slips. I have to look at the fight again. Chop Chop was game but was out classed, period! Judah fight: Judah got out the gates fast, but Floyd adjusted and broke Judah down mentally and physically. Pac is a very good fighter that has been protected and had the luxury of fighting many of his fights at catch weights. He receives a stateside boxing lesson if he steps into the ring with Mayweather or Crawford and Thurman puts him to sleep. Holla!


-Radam G :

Radam G, you said he's gonna fall in the round you call, he going to fight him, he going to fight him !!??
I'm being sarcastic. Holla!


-Froggy :

I'm being sarcastic. Holla!
That's what I was afraid of, one can only hope !


-stormcentre :

Some good points made above by all. It's going to be interesting to see who both guys (Pacquaio and Mayweather) fight next, and if it's not each other or Khan, then intrigued to see who he fights next also. If either of them choses anyone that's perceived to be "soft" the public backlash will be entertaining.


-Radam G :

Sanders fight: He was still a kid. Using that fight to gauge Floyd is like me using the fight when Pac was a kid and got knocked out by a body shot. Not a very accurate assessment to analyze either fighter currently. Chop Chop fight: Floyd got clipped pretty good by Corley and chose to primarily stand in the pocket with him. The ref missed a couple of Mayweather knockdowns of Corley that were ruled slips. I have to look at the fight again. Chop Chop was game but was out classed, period! Judah fight: Judah got out the gates fast, but Floyd adjusted and broke Judah down mentally and physically. Pac is a very good fighter that has been protected and had the luxury of fighting many of his fights at catch weights. He receives a stateside boxing lesson if he steps into the ring with Mayweather or Crawford and Thurman puts him to sleep. Holla!
OMFG! But the haters -- especially Fam May -- uses both of Da Manny childhood knckouts to gauge him. So I guess all is fair in love and war. You always find alibis because you grew up that way. Mainly from your elders telling you the myths about Sugar Ray Robinson. So it is natural for you create diversions in your mind about Money May. You cannot see in flaws in him, because the mind always tricks and d??ks the eyes and the brains when you are in love of dis and playa hating dat. Talking about protected pug? OMFG! Sugar Ray Robinson was the most protected pug of all times. He never fought the best pugs of his era. He ducked more than Money May. Da Manny is faster and a better boxer and hitter than Money May, Thurman and T-Craw, but you cannot fathom that, because of your inner-ethnic filters of myths about athletic superiority. But that is cool! You gotta believe in something to get you through. In Cali, as a kid, I had people hating on me because an Asian wasn't supposed to be so athletic in boxing, Amerkano football, Track and Field and basketball. I'm a myth arsekicker. And so is Da Manny. Since Da Manny is out-of-group to you, you cannot dare see that he is better than your in-group fighters. You will never admit to it, but that it is okay. It is a part of the life of mankind and his prejudices and ethnic-and-race filters. Holla!


-stormcentre :

It's an intriguing match-up because both guys appear - or have previously appeared - to possess the style and tools to undo the other's typical approach to winning fights. Pacquaio represents the high work-rate that Floyd hates (because it threatens his late round rallies and stamina reserves), packaged up in a fast southpaw stance that could present issues for Floyd's most loved defensive moves. Pacquiao's defence is somewhat of an unknown quantity though, particularly against fast guys that can time him, but that liability may be offset by the fact that Floyd has noticeable issues with fast southpaws; even if they're not as active for the entire 12 rounds as Manny usually is. Mayweather presents as Pacquaio's equal if not superior in speed, skills, and power; but not work-rate and risk taking. Plus (Mayweather) he has the knowhow and ability to control distance and fire perfect lead shots and/or counters in on Pacquaio's reckless attacks that almost always are accomplished with defensive liabilities that Pacquaio gets away with because most of his opponents can't equal his speed and intensity. Floyd's ability to deal with a southpaw like Pacquaio who on face value appears to be able to; a) Present all the issues that the other lefties have that have troubled Floyd - whilst also filling the gaps that made those other lefties fall short and wilt under pressure. b) Bring pressure and an intensity to Floyd, that Floyd himself is perhaps unfamiliar and/or uncomfortable with - or possibly even concerned about. Is an unknown quantity. Particularly at this stage of Floyd's career and personal, public, and legal life. I can see Floyd baiting Pacquaio, controlling the distance and just zapping him with sweet and fast left jabs and/or right cross leads whenever Pacquaio tries to rush in with those "same-same" cookie cutter attacks . . . that almost always involve the Pacquaio right jab searching for space to shoot the left cross up and through, as he steps out and over to his opponent's left side. But then, conversely, I can also see Floyd - if his size, limited punch output and other attributes can't control the tempo of the fight - growing uncomfortable with the pace, pressure and tenacity of Pacquaio, and languishing on the ropes too much . . allowing Pacquaio to maul him. Perhaps not now, but certainly during Manny's rise through the ranks and during his devastation of common opponents and/or those Floyd was said to duck; I don't think there has ever been a possible opponent for Floyd, that he has genuinely (at one stage) considered could knock him out, as much as Pacquaio. Put that psychological consideration together with the fact that Floyd's mid games leading into any future fight probably won't have much effect on Pacquaio, and - even aside from how (comparatively) fragile Floyd will psychologically be now with all his legal, personal and public problems - you have a psychological situation, that for the first time in a long time, might not favour Floyd as much as it normally does - if at all. Remember, Pacquaio is used to big fights; even if he is not used to bigger, stronger and faster, or equally fast, opponents; like Floyd. I doubt Pacquaio is entirely familiar with guys like Floyd whom are the closest thing there is to the complete package, with; speed, defence, agility, experience, and also proven 12 round physical/mental stamina gained through top-level championship experience - all combined with enough power to make Pacquaio reset and/or open up for more. But it doesn't end there though. Because (regardless of the weight and layoff controversies) Floyd completely dominated Pacquaio's arch enemy; Marquez. Plus (and even Marquez - who has fought both guys - also says this) Floyd knows how to control the fight, exchange when he wants, and thus implement his game-plan. Marquez believes that Floyd would beat Pacquaio easily. That said, Floyd (in many ways) did Marquez a favour (ask if you are unsure of what I mean); whereas Marquez really dislikes Pacquaio - so Marquez' viewpoints there may be tainted. Now take all that and also consider that out of Pacquaio's last 7 fights Floyd would more than likely have beaten them all too. Also, aside from Bradley, a good case could probably be made for Floyd really busting up a few of them more than Pacquaio did; such as Algieri and Rios. I'm not saying he would lose, but I don't know how Pacquaio would handle the Maidana that Floyd fought (at that weight) with Marcos' unconventional punches and relentless aggression - those guys are usually very tough to look good and clearly win against. That said Pacquaio - during his most controversial career stage and when he was considered by some to be using PEDs - seriously blew out Margarito (probably {as with Cotto} at a lower weight than Antonio was regularly fighting at then), and adding to it all was the fact that Floyd was then widely considered to have avoided, and even temporarily retired because of, Margarito. In fact Pacquaio has destroyed several opponents that Floyd has taken to 12 round decisions. Whether or not that's due to Manny fighting the common opponents at catch-weights and/or the fact that Floyd broke some of the common opponent's unbeaten streaks first; is as intriguing as it is up for debate. What's not up for debate is that Pacquaio comes to fight, take risks, and looks for the knockout; whereas Floyd does not and will often win safely even when it is clear he could easily step up the pace and get a KO - such as with Marquez. Oscar, Roach, Arum, Pacquaio, many of Floyd's defeated opponents, and also thousands more, would all love to see Floyd fight Pacquaio and lose. And that's just the situation and environment that Floyd usually flourishes in. Gotta love it don't you? For me, I think I need to know some if not all of the below points; a) That the Pacquaio V Mayweather fight will really happen. b) What weight the fight will take place at. c) What weight both guys are likely to enter the ring at on fight night. d) Whose training Floyd and in the corner for the fight; Roger, Floyd Sr. someone else? e) What the percentage split between fighters is and/or who is dictating the contractual terms. f) Who is doing the PED tests. g) What kind of testing is in place (ie; genuinely random. . with no cut off dates??). h) Official promotional involvement (ie; to what extent is GBP, TR and any other entity involved). i) Official broadcaster/network involvement (ie; to what extent is ShoTime, HBO and any other entity involved). Before I favour one over the other. Still, don't let that halt the debate and discussion.


-King Beef :

[QUOTE=Radam G;72594]Great perspective. Boxing is a long way from being as racist as Money May and Ben Thompson claim. Maybe the knuckleheads who don't have power are racists, but they don't have influence and cannot make da play to control the pay. "Let us holla at some history of the reality of the actuality. From 1905 to 1915, considering today's weak dollar and world inflation, "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson was making Money May's type of money and was the top paid athlete. During World War II, the top-paid athlete -- with his endorsement -- was Joe Louis. During the Vietnam War, the top paid athlete was Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali, who bragged how he could pay the salaries of thousands of troop and buy a couple "M-14 jets," and still not be broke." That's some distorted reality. Money does not erase the racism he (Johnson) endured, you forgot to mention for years he and the other black fighters were not ALLOWED to fight for the actual heavyweight championship. They had the colored championship. The money does not erase the fact that the Jeffries refused to fight him, or other fighters would fight, let alone spar with black fighters, nor does it erase the fact that because of his victories riots ensued, and the call for the Great White Hope was needed because he didn't fall in line, and he had no problem throwing that in peoples faces. Joe Louis fared alittle better because of his defeat of Schmeling was seen as good for America over Germany. Louis also "knew his position" and was no where near the brass Johnson. Even with that; just because it wasn't documented doesn't mean Louis did experience boxing racism in "1930s" good ole US of A. Same with Ali, might not be as well documented, but 1960's it definitely was not all good, money or no money. We all know what happened when he stepped out of line. Money May can say what ever he wants, could be right; could be wrong; but I think he is dealing with more bias than racism. On another note Stevenson and Sukhotskiy just started.


-Radam G :

[QUOTE=Radam G;72594]Great perspective. Boxing is a long way from being as racist as Money May and Ben Thompson claim. Maybe the knuckleheads who don't have power are racists, but they don't have influence and cannot make da play to control the pay. "Let us holla at some history of the reality of the actuality. From 1905 to 1915, considering today's weak dollar and world inflation, "Unforgivable Blackness" Jack Johnson was making Money May's type of money and was the top paid athlete. During World War II, the top-paid athlete -- with his endorsement -- was Joe Louis. During the Vietnam War, the top paid athlete was Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali, who bragged how he could pay the salaries of thousands of troop and buy a couple "M-14 jets," and still not be broke." That's some distorted reality. Money does not erase the racism he (Johnson) endured, you forgot to mention for years he and the other black fighters were not ALLOWED to fight for the actual heavyweight championship. They had the colored championship. The money does not erase the fact that the Jeffries refused to fight him, or other fighters would fight, let alone spar with black fighters, nor does it erase the fact that because of his victories riots ensued, and the call for the Great White Hope was needed because he didn't fall in line, and he had no problem throwing that in peoples faces. Joe Louis fared alittle better because of his defeat of Schmeling was seen as good for America over Germany. Louis also "knew his position" and was no where near the brass Johnson. Even with that; just because it wasn't documented doesn't mean Louis did experience boxing racism in "1930s" good ole US of A. Same with Ali, might not be as well documented, but 1960's it definitely was not all good, money or no money. We all know what happened when he stepped out of line. Money May can say what ever he wants, could be right; could be wrong; but I think he is dealing with more bias than racism. On another note Stevenson and Sukhotskiy just started.
Absolutely nothing I posted is distorted reality. Boxing is and always has been racist but less racist than other sports and entertainment. I've said umpteen times about how no white champ would fight Johnson until Canadian great Tommy Burns gave him a shot. Besides, you are wrong about Jeffries never fought and/or sparred with black fighters. Holla at the great "Black Prince" Peter Jackson that Jeffries beat. And Jeffries regularly sparred with black pugs. There are even films in existent of it. [BTW, what is "distorted reality" is nowadays people just assuming syet and than trying to pass it off as the reality of the actuality. Mythology and coming-out-of-nowhere folklores don't work in this Universe. Johnson, aka "Big Smoke," apparently had a lot of good hook ups and good things going for him, or he would have been lynched. ] I knew that somebody would come at me with dat "GOTCHA" syet. I've not forgot to mention anything. I'm solid as a rock, has the memory by heart of an elephant, and will call a spade a spade, won't hide in the shade and don't have a part in imaginary or real racism that is going on between anybody. And money always matters. This is why it is call PRIZEFIGHTING. And Money May might come to his senses and stop hiding and being the humbug behind that curtain of his racism. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Holla at RG in the howz, and for putting it down real good. Wonder what KB, who is by no means incapable, will shoot back with?


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

OMFG! But the haters -- especially Fam May -- uses both of Da Manny child hood knckouts to gauge him. So I guess all is fair in love and war. You always find alibis because you grew up that way. Mainly from your elders telling you the myths about Sugar Ray Robinson. So it is natural for you create diversions in your mind about Money May. You cannot see in flaws in him, because the mind always tricks and d??ks the eyes and the brains when you are in love of dis and playa hating dat. Talking about protected pug? OMFG! Sugar Ray Robinson was the most protected pug of all times. He never fought the best pugs of his era. He ducked more than Money May. Da Manny is faster and a better boxer and hitter than Money May, Thurman and T-Craw, but you cannot fathom that, because of your inner-ethnic filters of myths about athletic superiority. But that is cool! You gotta believe in something to get you through. In Cali, as a kid, I had people hating on me because an Asian wasn't supposed to be so athletic in boxing, Amerkano football, Track and Field and basketball. I'm a myth arsekicker. And so is Da Manny. Since Da Manny is out-of-group to you, you cannot dare see that he is better than your in-group fighters. You will never admit to it, but that it is okay. It is a part of the life of mankind and his prejudices and ethnic-and-race filters. Holla!
Skills pay the bills and Floyd is on another level in comparison to Manny. Manny's greatest assets inside the ring are his hand and foot speed and power at the lower weight divisions. Manny loses against Floyd because Floyd can neutralize all of Manny's strengths. Floyd has fought fighter's as fast or faster than him and adjusted. I can't really say the same for Manny. Skill wise, Manny is primarily a 1-2 combination puncher. When was the last time he flashed an effective hook? Worse case scenario, Mayweather beats Pac 8 rounds to 4. Easy work for Mayweather, I hope the fight gets made. On another note, just like Jack Johnson, Sugar Ray Robinson fought for the dough (money) first and foremost. Johnson and Ray Robinson calculated the risk/reward factor before signing the contract and entering the ring. I can't hate on any boxer for doing that because boxing is cold game and a smart fighter will always try to maximize their earning potential. Money May has illustrated the blueprint on how to make serious money as a prize fighter. One of the fundamental rules that would have behooved Manny to follow is "cut out the middle man" as much as possible. The best thing Mayweather did as far as earning potential is concerned was buying his way out of his Top Rank contract. Like Puff Daddy said in the 90's, "it's all about the Benjamins!"


-deepwater2 :

Skills pay the bills but all it takes is a punch to end the fight. Pac has the style to overcome Floyd's Philly crab especially at his advanced age. Can it happen?Yes. But..We won't know until they actually fight. That is why the world wants to see the fight. Puffy said its all about the Benjamins in the 90's but Freeway Rick Ross(the real Rick Ross not that fat rapper) says better things in 2014: ?I was selling drugs for the CIA and I didn't know it. The same thing might be happening with today?s rappers.? Freeway Rick Freeway Rick Ross is calling on Jay Z [and company] to ?do something positive for these lost teenagers.? Know why? Because the reformed drug kingpin ? who?s now using his story as an example to scare teens straight ? explains that rappers, like Jay Z, are responsible for dealing ignorance through their music. ?Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.? When I asked Freeway Rick about Jay Z?s deal with Barneys New York, here?s what he had to say: ?Jay Z is the one sending kids to the store to spend big bucks on material things. What Jay Z raps about these kids can?t afford to buy. If you went to college, you?ll be lucky to make 80-100K a year. That?s if you even get a job. These kids are going to sell drugs, steal or sell their bodies for the material stuff Jay and other rappers are talking about. These kids don?t read. They believe everything these rappers and the media tells them. I had one kid ask me why I call myself Rick Ross. I don?t hate Jay Z, but I wish he?ll do something positive for these lost teenagers. Jay is making a lot of money so he could bring positive workshops to the ghetto. Bring the lawyers and doctors to the ghetto to speak to these kids. I?m truly sorry for what I have done to my people and society and if Jay was a drug dealer in his past he should feel the same. Jay told everybody to stop drinking Cristal and everybody listened to him. Why doesn?t he use that power to tell our teenagers to stop living so dark? He can?t. Know why? Because Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.?


-stormcentre :

Whoa. I was going to say "that's deep" D2. But then who am I to tell you what's deep? After all, you're "Deepwater2"? You have the 007 licence on being deep and killing for it !!!
RR: All I know is that the real "Rick Ross" starred in a documentary called something like "how to make a million dollars selling drugs" that I saw, and the dude (in his heyday) looked powerful and heavy enough for me to consider not crossing him; no matter what he said/did. Not sure about his logic about Jay Z's music, but then don't tell him I said that. Actually . . . I'm not even sure about Jay Z's music - he doesn't even sound like he's sure of it either. Merry Xmas.


-deepwater2 :

Whoa. I was going to say "that's deep" D2. But then who am I to tell you what's deep? After all, you're "Deepwater2"? You have the 007 licence on being deep and killing for it !!!
RR: All I know is that the real "Rick Ross" starred in a documentary called something like "how to make a million dollars selling drugs" that I saw, and the dude (in his heyday) looked powerful and heavy enough for me to consider not crossing him; no matter what he said/did. Not sure about his logic about Jay Z's music, but then don't tell him I said that. Actually . . . I'm not even sure about Jay Z's music - he doesn't even sound like he's sure of it either. Merry Xmas.
Thanks man. The real Rick Ross was the kingpin but he is out of the system now spreading the message of education,speaks at schools and he calls out most of the hip hop guys on top as frauds that are ruining kids.


-stormcentre :

Thanks man. The real Rick Ross was the kingpin but he is out of the system now spreading the message of education,speaks at schools and he calls out most of the hip hop guys on top as frauds that are ruining kids.
Yes, from the aforementioned documentary, I understood/respected the kingpin bit - that bit was very, very clear. Certainly a dud not to be ffffucked with. If my memory serves me correctly, he also did considerable time for his kingpin ways didn't he?


-stormcentre :

Thanks man. The real Rick Ross was the kingpin but he is out of the system now spreading the message of education,speaks at schools and he calls out most of the hip hop guys on top as frauds that are ruining kids.
Yes, from the aforementioned documentary, I understood/respected the kingpin bit - that bit was very, very clear. Certainly a dude not to be ffffucked with. If my memory serves me correctly, he also did considerable time for his kingpin ways didn't he?


-King Beef :

[QUOTE=King Beef;72643] Absolutely nothing I posted is distorted reality. Boxing is and always has been racist but less racist than other sports and entertainment. I've said umpteen times about how no white champ would fight Johnson until Canadian great Tommy Burns gave him a shot. Besides, you are wrong about Jeffries never fought and/or sparred with black fighters. Holla at the great "Black Prince" Peter Jackson that Jeffries beat. And Jeffries regularly sparred with black pugs. There are even films in existent of it. [BTW, what is "distorted reality" is nowadays people just assuming syet and than trying to pass it off as the reality of the actuality. Mythology and coming-out-of-nowhere folklores don't work in this Universe. Johnson, aka "Big Smoke," apparently had a lot of good hook ups and good things going for him, or he would have been lynched. ] I knew that somebody would come at me with dat "GOTCHA" syet. I've not forgot to mention anything. I'm solid as a rock, has the memory by heart of an elephant, and will call a spade a spade, won't hide in the shade and don't have a part in imaginary or real racism that is going on between anybody. And money always matters. This is why it is call PRIZEFIGHTING. And Money May might come to his senses and stop hiding and being the humbug behind that curtain of his racism. Holla!
There is no gotcha, just a difference of opinion. I am saying there is no more or less racism, whether it be boxing or anything else. I said Jeffries refuse to fight him (until that $$$ was right) not never fought him, and hook me some links up these films of sparring. Now, my point is its fine for you black fighters to spar, be happy with that, BUT its gonna be some time before you can actually get a shot at the Heavyweight belt....dont' worry it's all good. Money can't fix that, (All money ain't good money) white wives can't fix that, hook ups don't fix that. I can guarantee that it wasn't all good for him (Johnson) in the America in the early 1900's, (granted he probably had it better than most) money don't change skin color. Good looking out on Peter Jackson btw.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Skills pay the bills but all it takes is a punch to end the fight. Pac has the style to overcome Floyd's Philly crab especially at his advanced age. Can it happen?Yes. But..We won't know until they actually fight. That is why the world wants to see the fight. Puffy said its all about the Benjamins in the 90's but Freeway Rick Ross(the real Rick Ross not that fat rapper) says better things in 2014: ?I was selling drugs for the CIA and I didn't know it. The same thing might be happening with today?s rappers.? Freeway Rick Freeway Rick Ross is calling on Jay Z [and company] to ?do something positive for these lost teenagers.? Know why? Because the reformed drug kingpin ? who?s now using his story as an example to scare teens straight ? explains that rappers, like Jay Z, are responsible for dealing ignorance through their music. ?Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.? When I asked Freeway Rick about Jay Z?s deal with Barneys New York, here?s what he had to say: ?Jay Z is the one sending kids to the store to spend big bucks on material things. What Jay Z raps about these kids can?t afford to buy. If you went to college, you?ll be lucky to make 80-100K a year. That?s if you even get a job. These kids are going to sell drugs, steal or sell their bodies for the material stuff Jay and other rappers are talking about. These kids don?t read. They believe everything these rappers and the media tells them. I had one kid ask me why I call myself Rick Ross. I don?t hate Jay Z, but I wish he?ll do something positive for these lost teenagers. Jay is making a lot of money so he could bring positive workshops to the ghetto. Bring the lawyers and doctors to the ghetto to speak to these kids. I?m truly sorry for what I have done to my people and society and if Jay was a drug dealer in his past he should feel the same. Jay told everybody to stop drinking Cristal and everybody listened to him. Why doesn?t he use that power to tell our teenagers to stop living so dark? He can?t. Know why? Because Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.?
Pac hasn't ended a fight at welterweight in how many years? He isn't just all of a sudden going to stop a boxer with a quality chin, which Floyd obviously has. On another note, I feel you on Jay-Z. I was cheering when Nas ethered his a$$ back in the day!
->http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tub7EoRBwO0


-Radam G :

Wow! Refusing to fight somebody until the money is right is as American as apple pie. That still goes on. And it was Johnson who refuses to fight Jeffries and any other "white man" until the powers that be paid him in gold. He did not play paper money. Matter of fact, he mock the racist establishment by putting on his teeth and smiling and grinning at every occasion. BTW, JSYWK, one other reason that Jeffries came out retirement to fight "Big Smoke," was for family honor -- more than a racist thing. Johnson had beat the hebejeebeez outta Jeffries's little brother and mocked the heck outta him because big brother had retired without fighting ole' Jack. As far as links are concern, you can find the whole nine about Jeffries or Johnson on YouTube. Those are umpteen "lookies" there. Holla!


-Radam G :

Pac hasn't ended a fight at welterweight in how many years? He isn't just all of a sudden going to stop a boxer with a quality chin, which Floyd obviously has. On another note, I feel you on Jay-Z. I was cheering when Nas ethered his a$$ back in the day!
->http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tub7EoRBwO0
Don't exaggerate anything. He only had two knockouts at welterweight to begin with. All these kayos that he has had is a smokescreen for Money May's bullsyet of roids. Holla!


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Don't exaggerate anything. He only had two knockouts at welterweight to begin with. All this kayo that had is smokescreen for Money May's bullsyet of roids. Holla!
Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make to Deep. If they ever fight, the victor won't win by KO. It will be a chess match and Floyd is the Bobby Fischer of boxing. Pac is more of a checkers player. Holla!


-amayseng :

Exactly, that's the point I was trying to make to Deep. If they ever fight, the victor won't win by KO. It will be a chess match and Floyd is the Bobby Fischer of boxing. Pac is more of a checkers player. Holla!
Floyd is this you?


-brownsugar :

Skills pay the bills but all it takes is a punch to end the fight. Pac has the style to overcome Floyd's Philly crab especially at his advanced age. Can it happen?Yes. But..We won't know until they actually fight. That is why the world wants to see the fight. Puffy said its all about the Benjamins in the 90's but Freeway Rick Ross(the real Rick Ross not that fat rapper) says better things in 2014: “I was selling drugs for the CIA and I didn't know it. The same thing might be happening with today’s rappers.” Freeway Rick Freeway Rick Ross is calling on Jay Z [and company] to “do something positive for these lost teenagers.” Know why? Because the reformed drug kingpin — who’s now using his story as an example to scare teens straight — explains that rappers, like Jay Z, are responsible for dealing ignorance through their music. “Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.” When I asked Freeway Rick about Jay Z’s deal with Barneys New York, here’s what he had to say: “Jay Z is the one sending kids to the store to spend big bucks on material things. What Jay Z raps about these kids can’t afford to buy. If you went to college, you’ll be lucky to make 80-100K a year. That’s if you even get a job. These kids are going to sell drugs, steal or sell their bodies for the material stuff Jay and other rappers are talking about. These kids don’t read. They believe everything these rappers and the media tells them. I had one kid ask me why I call myself Rick Ross. I don’t hate Jay Z, but I wish he’ll do something positive for these lost teenagers. Jay is making a lot of money so he could bring positive workshops to the ghetto. Bring the lawyers and doctors to the ghetto to speak to these kids. I’m truly sorry for what I have done to my people and society and if Jay was a drug dealer in his past he should feel the same. Jay told everybody to stop drinking Cristal and everybody listened to him. Why doesn’t he use that power to tell our teenagers to stop living so dark? He can’t. Know why? Because Jay is getting paid by the man to spread negative messages.”
I like what you said there.... You made a very valid point. One of my in-laws is in the music industry once told me the reason why so much "foul, obscene, and misogynistic" lyrics are found in urban style music today is because there is pressure from most music producers to publish lewd classless music mouthed by people who sound like uneducated gangsters, because there is financial proof that its sells....and it sells big. Inner-city youth and well to do suburbanites alike have both become fascinated & infatuated with the raw vulgarity and blatant ignorance of the gangsta sound to the point where most producers will scrap a lot of original and creative works oniy to force fledgling artists to go back and mimic the existing template if they want to get ahead. As a result there are a lot of frustrated artists The driving force is the producers and publishers who don't give a damn about the negative influences it provides because all they care about is the bottom line. J-Z is only the tip of the iceberg...but at least he does publish some music that can be considered as art. the reason why most of the mainstream rap is dominated by subject matter about booty, cash, and possessing power. Is because The music industry as a whole is driven by a template that they rarely deviate from. The movie industry piggy-backs off the same vibe as the music industry as a whole and has to become increasingly raunchy and shocking in an effort to keep up with the increasingly jaded public. Its only going to get worse. My daughter has been trying to get produced for years. I listened to a song she made recently and it was filled with such an intense sense of dispair and misery Im positive she could find a huge market for it if she could get published. I just hope suicide rates don't go up. I personally listen to NPR when im driving which plays every thing from blues, historical jazz, rock, fusion....independant, international, new age, even classical, grass roots, and funk. ....music from every culture around the world....from Irish folk music to chanting Tibetin monks....stuff you will never hear over main stream radio. The variety is very liberating and refreshing to the ears. For those who don't want to get stuck in a rut ....don't listen to mainstream. There is a lot of variety to be found.


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

Floyd is this you?
You are hilarious Amayseng lol. This SRD live and direct.


-amayseng :

You are hilarious Amayseng lol. This SRD live and direct.
haha Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys


-Shoulder Roll Defense :

haha Make this fight happen with the Cotto vs Canelo fight on the undercard and you are looking at 3-4 million buys
That would be a hell of a card!


-Radam G :


->http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Vby9jHFIY Easy work in Paulie's opinion, my sentiments exactly. Floyd better expose Manny now before Terrance Crawford beats him to the punch. Manny has to be matched right because the gig is up. Paulie hits the nail on the head in this interview. Check out my link above.
As I told CHA! You gotta deal with the reality of the actuality. Pops Joy May is the Mayweather's patriarch. And he is now running syet. So you ought to halt feeding off don't-know-syet jive what talking heads say. Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie:
->http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg. See! Big POPPA Floyd ain't all crazy. And he cannot stand Paulie, because Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat. He has admitted that he is bias against Da Manny. But you can find that video. Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!


-stormcentre :

a) Holla at what the Fam May patriarch said about Paulie:
->http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=skbomqx3nSk&list=UUdv4NBDeWOCAycogZYCqXyg. b) Paulie is part weasel, part chameleon, part snake and jealous as syet because he's never been able to be one of the BIG dawgs of A-side pugs, less alone a supergreat. c) Few in da loop of the poop gives a hard fart about what on-her-monthly Pauline -- I mean Paulie -- has to say. Holla!
a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there. b) Nice, and not entirely untrue. c) Nice. d)
Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to.


-Radam G :

a) Poor old Pop Joy Mayweather, if only he wasn't such an introvert and would say what he thinks. Great laugh that video, and also some truths in there. b) Nice, and not entirely untrue. c) Nice. d)
Thread's title; The Cloverlay group's financial and other support of Frazier is just as much an interesting consideration as the facts that not only was it comprised of more than 15 people whom were mostly white - but also leading into the "Thriller In Manilla" many blacks seriously shunned Frazier for unsubstantiated and/or supposed social/morale "crimes" (alleged by Ali) that were - even if true - far less significant than what Ali was up to.
It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality. GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value. One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!


-stormcentre :

It just shows you how ignorance works along without knowing the reality of the actuality. GOAT Ali launched his pro career being supported by "TheLouisville Group" of 10 rich white men" who invested $10,000 a piece in him. That total $100,000 is $1.5mil in today's Yank dollar value. One member of that group which, invested in the late, great "Smokin' Joe Frazier, was HBO's talking Larry Merchant. Holla!
Merchant was in on that eh? Well, I didn't know that.


-Radam G :

Merchant was in on that eh? Well, I didn't know that.
Hehehe! I'm not the only one that has ever hid in plain sight. Larry Merchant is a serial investor in pugs. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Yes, it's interesting (to the racism in boxing debate) that many white people associated with boxing have actually helped both Frazier and Ali, and even other fighters. I'm not saying there is no racism - because there always will be. But, even with Dan Goosen and other guys like Max Kellerman and/or his brother; in the sport there are plenty of examples that blow the "white man hates and/or is prejudice towards the black guy" myth apart. Your comments on Merchant prove it. I wonder if Floyd - when he, a few years ago, made his remarks about Larry being racist - realised what Larry did. Because if Floyd was aware of that - and let's face it, with the boxing/historical knowledge that many of the Mayweathers have, it's hard to imagine that someone in the TMT was not aware of it - then he himself looks rather hypocritical and, dare I say it, silly.


-Radam G :

Yes, it's interesting (to the racism in boxing debate) that many white people associated with boxing have actually helped both Frazier and Ali, and even other fighters. I'm not saying there is no racism - because there always will be. But, even with Dan Goosen and other guys like Max Kellerman and/or his brother; in the sport there are plenty of examples that blow the "white man hates and/or is prejudice towards the black guy" myth apart. Your comments on Merchant prove it. I wonder if Floyd - when he, a few years ago, made his remarks about Larry being racist - realised what Larry did. Because if Floyd was aware of that - and let's face it, with the boxing/historical knowledge that many of the Mayweathers have, it's hard to imagine that someone in the TMT was not aware of it - then he himself looks rather hypocritical and, dare I say it, silly.
Floyd was and is totally aware of that, as all boxers know the truthfully good guys and the minute amount of racists. Lil' Floyd is an arch hypocrite, and just pops off at the mouth for effect and to control the dimwitted, naive groupies fanfaronades and lazy-will-never-do-their-research fan boys who go along to get along to get along. Holla!


-amayseng :

Yes, it's interesting (to the racism in boxing debate) that many white people associated with boxing have actually helped both Frazier and Ali, and even other fighters. I'm not saying there is no racism - because there always will be. But, even with Dan Goosen and other guys like Max Kellerman and/or his brother; in the sport there are plenty of examples that blow the "white man hates and/or is prejudice towards the black guy" myth apart. Your comments on Merchant prove it. I wonder if Floyd - when he, a few years ago, made his remarks about Larry being racist - realised what Larry did. Because if Floyd was aware of that - and let's face it, with the boxing/historical knowledge that many of the Mayweathers have, it's hard to imagine that someone in the TMT was not aware of it - then he himself looks rather hypocritical and, dare I say it, silly.
"silly" ? Storm you are always so polite. Let me say it for you, Floyd can be a "dumbass" and his sheep would follow him off of a cliff.