Beating Algieri Served Pacquiao's Purpose But He Can't Beat Floyd

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This past Saturday night WBO welterweight title holder Manny Pacquiao 57-5-2 (38) won an overwhelming unanimous decision over former WBO junior welterweight title holder Chris Algieri 20-1 (8), by the scores of 119-103, 119-103, and 120-102.

Algieri was down six times in the fight and never was a threat to Pacquiao once during the 12-rounds it lasted. The biggest surprise just may be that Algieri got up six times after being knocked down and Pacquiao still was forced to go the distance.

In my pre-fight Pacquiao-Algieri piece titled “Pacquiao Needs To Shock And Amaze Versus Algieri” the below paragraph was found about half way through.

“Algieri is a beginner and Manny is a seasoned pro. On paper Pacquiao should take Chris apart and beat him convincingly. Manny and trainer Freddie Roach want a knockout in this fight in the worst way possible, with the hope being a memorable showing will have fans talking about how he's again one of the best fighters in boxing. I'm not so sure that he'll win that decidedly, but if he does, the interest in Pacquiao will escalate again. The talk will be that he's hungry and is the fighter to hand Mayweather his first loss. But the reality is Pacquiao has regressed more than a little. This bout was made to create the illusion that he hasn't. I don't think this fight will tell us anything about where Pacquiao truly is, as Algieri was brought in to make Manny look like a killer.”

Well, after watching the fight, I think that's exactly what we saw. Algieri, aside from being all-world tough, really is a beginner. He was never a threat to Manny because he just doesn't possess a big enough punch to make Pacquiao do a single thing in the ring that he doesn't want to do. As we saw, Algieri was fighting mostly to keep from getting knocked out and worked over than he was to win.

Chris couldn't keep Pacquiao off with his jab and his right couldn't freeze Manny or make him quell his aggression. Pacquiao and his promoter Bob Arum knew this would probably be the case going in. The only thing that wasn't realized was the knockout that team Pacquiao relished. And the reason for that was A) Manny has regressed offensively as a fighter and B) Chris Algieri was in tremendous physical condition and has a very strong mental and physical constitution.

Pacquiao really did try for the knockout, especially during the last third of the bout. However, he no longer lets his hands go in waves and he doesn't judge range and distance as proficiently as he used to, and he neglects the body. Saturday night he was confronted by an opponent who has exactly one punch: a straight right. And it has no power or shock to it. Yet, it was enough of a weapon to slightly nullify Pacquiao that as much as he overwhelmed Algieri and distanced himself as a fighter, he just couldn't get him out of there.

Chris Algieri was perfect for Pacquiao in many ways. He went the distance without embarrassing himself, and at the same time he provided Pacquiao 36 minutes to re-boot the illusion that he's the dynamo we think of when hearing his name mentioned. When I say an illusion, it's not with the intent of suggesting he's not one of the best fighters in boxing because he still is. My point is, as much as Manny is loved and adored by a majority of boxing fans, they really only have one use for him. And that is holding on to the belief that he can be the fighter to hand Floyd Mayweather his first professional defeat. The reality is, Manny's bouts aren't much more exciting than Mayweather's lately, and he's running out of opponents, most noticeably at welterweight.

There's no news regarding Pacquiao-Algieri. The fight went exactly as most observers thought it would. Manny dominated. All there is to ponder is whether or not you felt he dominated because he was so good, or perhaps it was more so that the opponent enabled him to look untouchable?

Today, fans mostly tune in to see both Mayweather and Pacquiao fight for one reason, and that's to simulate a fight between them in their mind and then try to conclude who will win when they eventually fight. I'm still confounded by why they care so much, for the record. And yes, they will fight. I've been saying that for over five years and there's no doubt in my mind that when Floyd decides he's ready for the fight, Arum and Pacquiao will jump through whatever hoops and stipulations Mayweather and Al Haymon throw up, and sign on.

Pacquiao did what he was supposed to do against Algieri except stop him. That's nine consecutive fights that Manny has been forced to go the distance. And yes, for a fighter that made his reputation by stopping one opponent after the next, that's a little telling.

I haven't a morsel of doubt in my mind that Mayweather will lose two rounds to Pacquiao, one will be debatable, and Floyd will clearly win the other nine when they fight. For argument sake, suppose you disagree and feel Pacquiao will beat Mayweather. Okay, that's certainly plausible. Than can we at least agree that if Mayweather and Pacquiao fight in the next year or so, that if Manny is to win, the fight is going the distance and he won't stop Floyd? And if you cede that, than you also have to agree that to beat Mayweather, Pacquiao must out-box and out-think him for 12-rounds. To which I say, “Good Luck with that!”

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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-Kid Blast :

Yes he can, Frank. Mayweather has been fighting off the ropes of late and that's a sure sign something has changed. Meanwhile Pac has looked sharp in his last three--or, in fact, in his last four of five. Nope, it's time to say it. Mayweather is growing older faster than Pac.


-Froggy :

Agreed KB if Maidana can win a few rounds and rough up Mayweather, whats Pacquiao going to do ?


-The Commish :

Where $$$May v Pac would have once matched the two top fighters in the world in their respective prime, it will now still be an evenly-matched affair with the same two fighters whowing their age--but still very evenly matched. I once gave up on this fight ever happening. I am now leaning the other way. From everything I have been hearing, both sides not only want it, but are scheduling meetings to discuss it. Here's hoping it happens, once and for all. -Randy G.


-Froggy :

Right on Commish, both of them past their prime but could be a great fight ! I am thinking back to Ali-Frazier 3, both past their prime but what a fight , I am pretty sure Pacquiao- Mayweather won't happen in Manila though !


-brownsugar :

Mayweather is still fighting public perception. His 14 year old son just called him a coward in the press and the baby's mama, Josie Harris is cashing in by writing a book about being abused during her time with Floyd. And ancient proverb states that : too much wine and women makes the heart weak...due his life style Floyd may be aging quicker than Manny....plus he's already two years older Given the strife, age and personal upheaval in Floyd's life,... I'm not ready to pronounce him the winner of a fight that's going on five years too late. The potential is there but its certainly not guaranteed.


-leon30001 :

I "really" don't agree that Floyd is a lock vs. Manny. The fact he won't fight him tells us that much. Remember; Pac is the best fighter Floyd will EVER have faced (and "vice versa", obviously).


-Kid Blast :

Aha. In the absence of a response from Frank, I must assume he agrees with me. I'll root him out one way or the other.


-The Shadow :

I "really" don't agree that Floyd is a lock vs. Manny. The fact he won't fight him tells us that much. Remember; Pac is the best fighter Floyd will EVER have faced (and "vice versa", obviously).
Really? Why do you think Floyd is the best Manny will have fought?


-sumopop :

It is true, one cannot beat someone who will not fight them. I would favor Floyd too, but how about they get it on and let's all get over our punditry of what we "know" would happen. Truth is, until they fight, none of us knows anything. We just have solid educated guesses.


-Radam G :

Wow! The talk is cheap. Pretty Boy Floyd lost her sheep. The Pac-punches, he doesn't want to eat. He knows his arse, Da Manny will EASILY beat. Lil' Floyd can handle the heat. He wants to stay on his make-believe pound-for-pound top seat. In the AmerKano psyche, fiction has always been stronger than reality. Lil' Floyd could not stand the actuality of the brutality of a fight-Da-Manny reality. From all of da BIG syet talkers to bullsyet walkers, Money May would have to face, he cannot handle that taste. Against Chino, he lost a tooth. Against Da Manny, he will think that he is in an old-days telephone booth. And Money May would be straight-up petrified. He would imagine that Da Manny is Mighty Joe Young. And that the one and only ducking Money May is getting ready to get his bell rung. He will see that BIG, GIANT, Filipino National FIST coming down on that phone booth to smash his @$$. Money May will be grass. Dude act like a little scary lass. Money May couldn't even beat Da Manny in his Fam Mayweather's dream. Money May keep doing what he does in real life -- DUCK! And than fire ev'ybodee and dey momma for thinking of Da Manny as a boksing high muck-a-muck. Holla!


-Radam G :

Mayweather is still fighting public perception. His 14 year old son just called him a coward in the press and the baby's mama, Josie Harris is cashing in by writing a book about being abused during her time with Floyd. And ancient proverb states that : too much wine and women makes the heart weak...due his life style Floyd may be aging quicker than Manny....plus he's already two years older Given the strife, age and personal upheaval in Floyd's life,... I'm not ready to pronounce him the winner of a fight that's going on five years too late. The potential is there but its certainly not guaranteed.
SHAME, SHAME on that mother for posioning that son against his father. The father may have been foolish, but his takes care of that potty-mouthed, brain-washed boy. Josie Harris is a hatchet hoodrat who cannot let go of her fantasy of Money May. She cannot have him, so she hopes to destroy him with her lying, exaggerating, stank arse. Wow, B-Sug! I've let the coconut wine go. But D@MN! The woman too? I'm working on it. I think I got a gene acting up -- a-luv-da-hos gene. Hehehe! Holla!


-Radam G :

BTW! The writer of that ancient proverb was probably a wine-o and skirt chaser until his was a 120-years old and could stay awake or get up. My 114-year-old Tio Mamoy said when his ding-a-ling quit getting morning wood, he will quit banging the uglies. Hehehe! Holla!


-amayseng :

Pac's footwork, footspeed and agility along with his high volume, punching power and angles are TOO much for Floyd to overcome at this point. Floyd is fantastic, still, but this wont be Canelo toeing a line and trying to out box Floyd. Manny just has too much offensively for Floyds pot shotting style. Pac whooped Bradley, who is a phenom boxer and has better agility than Floyd at this point. RG is correct, Floyd will feel like he is in a phone booth all night


-The Shadow :

Pac's footwork, footspeed and agility along with his high volume, punching power and angles are TOO much for Floyd to overcome at this point. Floyd is fantastic, still, but this wont be Canelo toeing a line and trying to out box Floyd. Manny just has too much offensively for Floyds pot shotting style.
Pac whooped Bradley, who is a phenom boxer and has better agility than Floyd at this point. RG is correct, Floyd will feel like he is in a phone booth all night
You just lost me there, bro. This is insane.


-leon30001 :

Really? Why do you think Floyd is the best Manny will have fought?
Actually you could make an argument for De La Hoya...but not "that" version.


-The Shadow :

SHAME, SHAME on that mother for posioning that son against his father. The father may have been foolish, but his takes care of that potty-mouthed, brain-washed boy. Josie Harris is a hatchet hoodrat who cannot let go of her fantasy of Money May. She cannot have him, so she hopes to destroy him with her lying, exaggerating, stank arse. Wow, B-Sug! I've let the coconut wine go. But D@MN! The woman too? I'm working on it. I think I got a gene acting up -- a-luv-da-hos gene. Hehehe! Holla!
That she is. They're both toxic for one another. They've had a volatile relationship and she is just as bad as he. Floyd gets physical, she gets physical with guys that she knows would push his insecurities (ie. tall, rich, well-endowed NBA player -- a guy who's everything he's not). Regardless, as a man, you have to learn how to walk away before you become entrenched in the storm, the drama to the point where you can't get out. This is where stuff like this transpires. You're not a $2 *****, Floyd. Stop f*cking with $2 hoes, baby mama or not. You should know better. THAT BEING SAID, reading that article the thing you mention is one thing I never quite understood. People read this, take it in, form an opinion and then accept it as fact. (There were several factual errors in the piece, quite common as the fact-checking process in modern journalism is flawed, at best.) People don't quite realize the process behind setting up interviews, how hard it is to get sensitive things on the record or even to get an interview at all sometimes. Negotiation is involved. Agreements are made. That's just how it goes. Most want to see the questions beforehand. Some subjects get to review quotes before publications. Some get to alter it. Others get to shape the direction of the article. Everyone knows and accepts this; those are the rules. Though this violates journalistic principles, sometimes an underpaid reporter will take a check under the table to write something. (Often the quotes you see attributed to a source were never spoken; they were edited or sometimes even made up. In fact, at least half the Manny Pacquiao quotes you see in US media is stuff from Fred Sternburg's mind.) I wonder what the reporter promised her? Not only that, but to get the mother to agree to put the son on the record. Then from there to get him to agree to share his recollection of the events that transpired. THEN FROM THERE, get him to GO ON THE RECORD, air his father out and THEN call him a coward?! Here's the thing: if the woman didn't have an agenda, if her son were to say that, any respectable human being would tell the reporter "Don't put that on the record. My son is just upset." No? That fact alone tells me A LOT about the proceedings in the arrangement of this story, the interview and the conversations leading up to the actual interview. And wait, doesn't she have a book she's trying to promote? Before people go on and say, "Oh, it's bad what Floyd did, he deserves it, any son would say that," please consider the process of actually getting someone to say something like that in a feature story ON THE RECORD. This is not an Instagram post or a video. This is a feature story that took weeks, if not months of preparation to complete. No matter what he did to get it, he ultimately did a good job with the story. But let's not act like she doesn't have an agenda and that she's not USING her son to get it. Floyd and Josie, in this case, they're both despicable in my view. And knowing his petty and somewhat immature a$$, I wouldn't be surprised that those recent Instagram posts of him a) buying his son a Bentley golf cart and b) his posting a video with him drowned in a plethora of whores carrying the sweetest tail known to man were TOTALLY deliberate. That said, Floyd paid his debt for his crime. She's trying to get paid more. Disgraceful all around. Ugh.


-The Shadow :

Actually you could make an argument for De La Hoya...but not "that" version.
True. That aside, just curious to hear what you think Floyd can do that makes him the best Manny will have faced?


-amayseng :

You just lost me there, bro. This is insane.
You think Floyd at near 38 years old has quicker footwork than the young and vibrant Bradley? I am not talking spacing and timing, I am speaking about speed and quickness, which is what Floyd would need to keep Pac's volume and offense down.


-SouthPawFlo :

How many times did Ruslan put Algeri down??? Chris has a lot of heart but he's not a top level fighter.. He's Josesito Lopez with a degree and better boxing skills.....


-Radam G :

How many times did Ruslan put Algeri down??? Chris has a lot of heart but he's not a top level fighter.. He's Josesito Lopez with a degree and better boxing skills.....
Good nailing. I see it that way too. Holla!


-TotoyBato :

Once Floyd beat Manny he will be TBE.:rolleyes:


-Radam G :

Once Floyd beat Manny he will be TBE.:rolleyes:
You are back from deployment, hum? Everytime you come back with fantasies of Money May's might. Keep dreaming! He would never beat Da Manny in a game of anything or a fight. Holla!


-SouthPawFlo :

After almost 5 years of this back and forth "what if" type talk, I think until the fight is signed and be venue is set, there should be no more topics about Floyd vs May... Floyd is gonna have his fans. And Manny will have his. Floyd will win because of A,B,C manny will win because of D,E,F Floyd will win because look at how this guy looked against Manny Manny will win because look at how that guy did against Floyd Same Debate. Nothing is gonna change until they settle it in the ring.


-Radam G :

After almost 5 years of this back and forth "what if" type talk, I think until the fight is signed and be venue is set, there should be no more topics about Floyd vs May... Floyd is gonna have his fans. And Manny will have his. Floyd will win because of A,B,C manny will win because of D,E,F Floyd will win because look at how this guy looked against Manny Manny will win because look at how that guy did against Floyd Same Debate. Nothing is gonna change until they settle it in the ring.
I'm with you. Holla!


-King Beef :

Agreed KB if Maidana can win a few rounds and rough up Mayweather, whats Pacquiao going to do ?
Different fighter, different style; Pac is not gonna come in @ 165ish and bull rush. I have to say if they were to get it on, (which I still highly doubt) It would be interesting to see if May does hit the ropes without having to face a bigger opponent. I am liking Pac's chances alittle more lately, but still think he has to catch him with something early AND finish the job, otherwise the longer the fight goes May will adjust.


-Julius Vladimir Francisco :

Haven't posted here in years. Since the mighty springs had that awesome gods of war series. The standard response simply is the ring decides all. Talk really is cheap. All I know is I will be attending live when it happens.