ALGIERI: “I’m Fine, Just Disappointed”; Plus, Insights From Lara, Berto, Rooney, Katz

It was a valiant effort, I told Chris Algieri, after he went the distance with a man who had a massive experience edge which showed explicitly on Saturday night in Macau, and went down six times, and got up six times, once again proving that his heart is maybe the top trait in his arsenal.

“I’m very disappointed, my man,” the 30-year-old Long Islander told me.

I was pretty sure of the answer, but Algieri did say he was planning on attending medical school at some point in the future, so I figured I’d ask anyway: is he planning on fighting again?

“No doubt,” he said. “This was a learning experience. I’m fine. I’m just disappointed. Pacquiao is a great champion.”

I mean, is he just a different animal, did he possess some edge that that surprised and amazed you?

“No, he’s not a different animal,” the boxer, now 20-1, stated. “He is just super experienced and filled with intangibles which are hard to explain. He found a style that exactly works for him.”

And so was experience the greatest differential in play? “Yes, I think so,” he said. “Not to take anything anyway from Pacquiao. He is a hell of a fighter. I have more developing and learning to do.”

It looked that way from my seat; Pacquiao was just simply too cage-y for the Islander, who seemed perhaps too intent on avoiding contact, and staying on his feet, rather than looking to land with effective aggression. Of course so much easier said than done, as I tap on my keyboard with the bravery of being out of range…

Algieri pal and right hand man Kevin Rooney Jr. talked to TSS about the experience, as well. “Everyone is disappointed but no one more than Chris,” he told me. “He is his own biggest critic. It’s a learning experience and something he will grow from. He’s young, has a ton of talent, and is going to be as hungry as he has ever been. We will take time off, and then discuss as a team a plan of action moving forward and getting things back in the right direction.”

The matchmaker for Algieri promoter Joe DeGuardia is Ron Katz. He’s seen it all in four decades in the business. He weighed in on the scrap. “I knew going in this would be a monumental task for Chris,” Katz told me. “His lack of experience was evident and showed when in with one of the best in the business. I thought he did some nice things in there, especially with the right hand, but he was too predictable, stayed on the end of Manny’s punches throughout…and I’m a little baffled by the game plan. He tried his best and showed the heart and mentality of a fighter. He’ll be better from this, no disgrace, in my opinion.” Katz spoke on a subject that is rattling around the Twittersphere, the corner work at the Algieri stool. “I think maybe the whole team was a little overwhelmed once the bell rang. Pacquiao fought well and Chris was unable to adjust and kept his best weapon, the jab, in his pocket. He’s still a terrific spokesperson for the sport, Michael, and he said all the right things after the fight.”

Erislandy Lara was impressed with Manny’s outing. The Cuban, who fights Dec. 12, vs. Ishe Smith, said, “Pacquiao looked good, fast and strong. Algieri was not ready for that level, but showed big heart.”

Yep, no doubts about the heart on the Huntington Heartthrob.

Another welter contender, Andre Berto, gave his take on the proceedings. “Pacquiao did what he had to do,” the Florida resident told TSS. “Chris was in amazing shape, but fought way too defensively. You can’t win a fight that way.”

Check back for more extensive analysis on the Pacquiao-Algieri fight from The Pride of Bensonhurst, Paulie Malignaggi, the fighter/ace analyst.

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COMMENTS

-deepwater2 :

Fire coach Lane. He is a kick boxer . He doesn't train the finer arts of the sweet science. Chris's stance was too far apart like a kick boxer. He needs to sit down on his punches at some point. Lane was yelling at the WBO president about Roach's hand wrapping. Not cool. Team Algieri needs to make an executive decision and fire Lane or demote him to training partner. Kevin Rooney jr may as we'll ask his dad to train him or maybe get Joey Gamache on board. The kid can have a handful of fights at 140 but he needs a master boxing coach to teach him ,not a coach that just keeps yelling master boxer.


-Radam G :

Fire coach Lane. He is a kick boxer . He doesn't train the finer arts of the sweet science. Chris's stance was too far apart like a kick boxer. He needs to sit down on his punches at some point. Lane was yelling at the WBO president about Roach's hand wrapping. Not cool. Team Algieri needs to make an executive decision and fire Lane or demote him to training partner. Kevin Rooney jr may as we'll ask his dad to train him or maybe get Joey Gamache on board. The kid can have a handful of fights at 140 but he needs a master boxing coach to teach him ,not a coach that just keeps yelling master boxer.
Hehehehe! Ditto DAT! Holla!


-stormcentre :

Fair comments, RG and D2. Could say some things about the appropriateness and/or humour of Tim Lane's comments and kickboxing attire, but will refrain - it's not easy holding back. Also, I think Berto and Lara summed it up quite nicely too. Big, big task to ask of Algieri, even if he had been 12 rounds before. Arum must be thinking . . . ."over to you now Floyd, unless of course you're preoccupied with other things".


-BFF :

F all that noise. C-al was way too arrogant and confident during prefight. to me he still sounded as if he didnt want admit manny is in a complete different class and is an animal by saying its only the exerience level.... and c-al was in complete survival mode the whole fight, he survived by riding his bike the whole night, his game plan was out the window once he got hit. anyways this cocky clown with a college degree just got taken to school by a true master boxer from professor pacman who holds a doctorates degree in the sweet science!


-Skibbz :

F all that noise. C-al was way too arrogant and confident during prefight. to me he still sounded as if he didnt want admit manny is in a complete different class and is an animal by saying its only the exerience level.... and c-al was in complete survival mode the whole fight, he survived by riding his bike the whole night, his game plan was out the window once he got hit. anyways this cocky clown with a college degree just got taken to school by a true master boxer from professor pacman who holds a doctorates degree in the sweet science!
I agree with what Deep says but I think Algieri got his big head and ego too involved and fooled himself into believing pacquiao is just any one and he has what it takes. Even after the fight he was saying Pac fought like Pac and Pac is a great champion. How else would he expect Pac to fight? He wouldn't accept he was beaten by a simply better fighter in all regards. He was way in over his head and he still couldnt see it. Hundreds of bouts amatuer and professional can help you prepare for pacquiao, a few kickboxing bouts and 19 road sweepers isn't the learning process to pass to be on the same level as manny. And tim lane should be gone.


-The Commish :

All great comments above. Knowing these guys the way I do, I think Algieri tried to be his normal, passive self, but was caught up in the moment and fell into the outrageous behavorial patterns of Tim Lane. Deep, those are two interesting names you brought up: Kevin Rooney and Joey Gamache. However, I don't know if Rooney is A) still training fighters and B) how the raw, uncut Rooney Sr. will mix with the intellectual, hard-working bachelor that is Chris Algieri. Another name which comes to mind is Long Island's Joe Higgins, who manages and trains several fine prospects, including unbeaten jr. middleweight prospect, Patrick Day. If Algieri intends to stay on Long Island, I think Higgins--a longtime boxing guy--will be the perfect trainer for Chris. I know this: Higgins will be able to teach Algieri to clinch, something he badly needed to do on Saturday night, but either didn't know how or have the experience and coaching to remind him to do so. Although I don't know if Chris WILL make major changes to Team Algieri, I do know this: He SHOULD! -Randy G.


-Kid Blast :

No sport like boxing so frequently and without remorse cheats its most loyal fans. This was a flim-flam from the get go.


-Froggy :

I didn't pay to watch, I just watched it this am. and I noticed some others here also refused to order it on PPV !


-Kid Blast :

Smart move Froggy


-Froggy :

Smart move Froggy
Thanks KB, I don't evem remember the last fight I paid to watch but I won't pay in the future either unless I feel it is worth it, I think more and more people feel the same way ! You are so right, as long as people pay, the powers that be will keep feeding the consumer a product that is overpriced !


-TotoyBato :

What we saw was a separation of two class levels. Manny Pacquiao is a master boxer in the A class. Chris Algieri is a good C class fighter. Another one of those kickboxer/wannabe boxer with wide karate stance & hand techniques. Algieri visualized his fight plan but could not execute. He was like a deer frozen by headlights. He was in flight mode from the very first Pacman punch that landed. Calling that being too defensive is too kind. Algieri was running for his safety and was never trying to fight. Top Rank hype machine delivered a showcase of Manny Pacquiao boxing ability against a harmless opponent. If Brandon Rios was a walking Heavy Bag, Algieri was a walking double ended speed bag. Manny's sparring partners were bigger and way better boxers than Algieri.


-mortcola :

Doc Mortcola is pissed. For the record, I picked Pac in this fight, and only wanted C-Al, my home boy, to make a good showing. First, one of you geniuses called Chris a clown with an education. Even though it was sheer boxing biz and luck that got C-Al this shot - after doing better against Provodnikov with one eye than the experienced champ BRADLEY did, regardless of how close the decision was. Algieri works his a-- off every day, and showed more guts than anyone in this forum, and most fighters. Like Cooney, he got thrown in before he was ready, for business reasons, not to mention that he did damn well against Provo. Is there some correlation between education and courage, anyway? You envy him for being smart and accomplished AND spending every day fighting and training with manic intensity? I have a Ph.D. and I fight several days a week. Anyone gonna call me an overeducated clown? Would the big-mouth who wrote that like to fight a three rounder against me? I’ll bring my diploma and autograph a copy of my book after I feed him an extra helping of his own nasal blood. Next - how many clowns fight through the worst possible adversity? Next - mismatch - sure. Let’s not forget that a LESS developed Pacquiao decimated ATG BARRERA more dramatically than a thoroughly polished Pacqiuao even did Algieri. Cotto (helpless after the first few rounds, rescuers by the ref), Margarito (broken head), Hatton (one punch highlight reel KO), who retired dominant champ Tzsyu. Next - deer in the headlights - experience explains why C-Al froze like a deer in the headlights - he didn’t know what else in his toolkit could make a difference, and saw things he’s never seen before which was Cotto’s explanation too. Yes, this was a one-sided fight - we scandal-freaks don’t remember that two supposed knockdowns were nothing but slips on water, and the scores would have been a garden variety shut out otherwise. Nothing but another dominant Pac performance, which we’ve seen lots of times. But the piling on against a fighter who TOOK HIS CHANCE AND HIS BEATING - and is, actually, a good boxer who will be a much better fighter if he changes trainers and stays in the sport - is the language of cowards and clowns who’ve never boxed or never had to push through pain and cluelesness. Algieri earned a rare and debatable shot, would have been a fool to turn it down, promoted this fight without trash-talk, even if you think he was arrogant (he’s not - he’s a nice down to earth guy, for the record), and his ambiguous compliments of Pac afterward (accurate, BTW) were far less loaded with BS than the majority of losers of big fights. Pile on, punk, but name one thing you’ve ever done that shows the cojones C-Al did in taking his beating - or outboxing Provo with one eye after a big knockdown. One thing in your whole life. No fighter deserves the BS he’s absorbed after hanging in against one the the ATGs. It is a cliche already that it takes a person with serious guts to even get in the ring....and C-Al did a lot more than that.


-The Shadow :

Doc Mortcola is pissed. For the record, I picked Pac in this fight, and only wanted C-Al, my home boy, to make a good showing. First, one of you geniuses called Chris a clown with an education. Even though it was sheer boxing biz and luck that got C-Al this shot - after doing better against Provodnikov with one eye than the experienced champ BRADLEY did, regardless of how close the decision was. Algieri works his a-- off every day, and showed more guts than anyone in this forum, and most fighters. Like Cooney, he got thrown in before he was ready, for business reasons, not to mention that he did damn well against Provo. Is there some correlation between education and courage, anyway? You envy him for being smart and accomplished AND spending every day fighting and training with manic intensity? I have a Ph.D. and I fight several days a week. Anyone gonna call me an overeducated clown? Would the big-mouth who wrote that like to fight a three rounder against me? I’ll bring my diploma and autograph a copy of my book after I feed him an extra helping of his own nasal blood. Next - how may clowns fight through the worst possible adversity? Next - mismatch - sure. Let’s not forget that a LESS developed Pacquiao decimated BARRERA more dramatically than a thoroughly polished Pacqiuao even did Algieri. Cotto, Margarito. Next - deer in the headlights - experience explains why C-Al froze like a deer in the headlights - he didn’t know what else in his toolkit could make a difference. Yes, this was a one-sided fight - we scandal-fraks don’t remember that two supposed knockdowns were nothing but slips on water. Nothing but another dominant Pac performance, which we’ve seen lots of times. But the piling on against a fighter who TOOK HIS CHANCE AND HIS BEATING - and is, actually, a good boxer who will be a much better fighter if he changes trainers and stays in the sport - is the language of cowards and clowns. Algieri promoted this fight without trash-talk, even if you think he was arrogant (he’s not - he’s a nice down to earth guy, for the record, and his ambiguous compliments of Pac afterword were far less loaded with BS than the majority of losers of big fights. Pile on, punk, but name one thing you’ve ever done that shows the cojones C-Al did in taking his beating - or outboxing Provo with one eye after a big knockdown. No fighter deserves the BS he’s absorbed after hanging in against one the the ATGs.
I love it. I'm with you.


-deepwater2 :

Who is mortcola mad at? I think most of us including me made fun of coach lane because he deserves it. He really does. Joe Higgins is the man. A decade or so ago ,I ran up some speeding tickets, I owed the court mucho dineros. Instead of paying money they said community service was ok. I went right to Joe at the PAL and asked if I could help out around the gym. He said sure. I sparred his guys for a month and case closed. Joe is all about hard work and offense. CA knows hard work and under Joe he can focus on offense.


-Radam G :

YUP! Tim Lane was the one getting it from this Universe, which wouldn't be hating on C-Al's education. We would be like kettles calling the pots black. This Universe is mucho intelligente y educatio. Dumb boxers, and dummy fans following boxers, is a myth and a big LIE! Da Manny also has an academic master's degree, he is a congressman and an army colonel in the P-Islands. Let me remind you guys here that while Da Manny was whuppin' arse to become a champ in eight divisions, he was hitting those books and attending classes, in which he got his high school degree and three college degrees. Holla!


-TotoyBato :

Barrerra was plain confused by the aggression, speed, pace, angles and power of punches; he never seen anything like it. Morales & Marquez learned how to deal with the speed, pace & angles but did not expect that power to be as such. Morales just eventually could not deal with the power & aggression, Marquez learned how to deal with it and work it to his advantage. DelaHoya was deer frozen in headlights, so diminished he could not pull the trigger. Diaz & Hatton came out swinging thinking Pacquiao was just a little man; Diaz & Hatton went down hard. Cotto came in to fight and give all (like always) he got beat. Margarito came forward like a big man hoping to land one debilitating punch; the little guy destroyed his face. Clottey played his peek-a-boo but the volume of punches did not let him set for any kind of offense (none at all). The speed & angles confused him he could not see or figure out behind his earmuffs, Pacquiao even landed two hands at the same time while being square right in front of Clottey. Tough man Mosley felt the power and became so amicable; Pacquiao obliged by granting an easy sparring session. Durable speedster Bradley could not deal with the speed, angles & power, the pace and aggression are diminished at this point. Same with Rios, he kept trudging on forward but has nothing in his skill set, he looked like a walking heavy bag. Keep in mind that Pacquiao's aggression is really diminished at this point. Here comes Algieri; he came to run. Flight mode from the very start, could not deal with the speed, angles & power. Algieri was on his bike backpedalling all the time, did not set to mount a meaningful offense. All the knockdowns were legit. I've never seen a boxer throw himself (with such speed and disregard for balance) backwards after just one punch to end up falling on his own face. The wide karate stance served fleet foot Algieri's way of running away. His hand techniques produced pitter-patter hits that conveyed the "don't come near me please" message. Algieri and his corner clearly showed that they do not belong in that level. Did Algieri and his corner really expect Pacquiao to come in wide open? The fools don't understand that boxing master Marquez created the situation for his perfect punch by laying out the perfect undetectable bait. They don't understand that that Marquez is a master of unequalled skill. If Algieri came in to throw down and leave everything in the ring he could have been knocked out far worst than Hatton was or beat up worst than Margarito. It's very hard to make a fight if the other party is in the non-fight flight mode. The burden was on Pacquiao (like always) to make the fight show. And Pacquiao did by displaying a superior master class; totally dominating and humiliating the undefeated Algieri who's skill set was shown to be vastly inferior and was in flight mode the whole time. Algieri was a harmless walking double ended speed bag, he gave Pacquiao a good cardio workout.


-Skibbz :

I believe most of you who know the sport knew deep down it was going to be a one sided affair. Sure Algieri and his team (read coach Lane in muay thai shorts) had to talk up the fight but for me hearing a constant slew of arrogance from Algieri was so off putting that in the end I wanted to see him get beaten up and brought down to earth. It's like he would hear the promotional talk from Arum and it would act like helium to his head and take him up to the clouds. At the end of the day he got his just deserts and he didn't put up much of a fight no matter how you try cut it. For someone with his height, reach and stamina you'd think he might take a leaf out of Hearns' book but instead Algieri has taken the path of the 'master boxer'. Maybe he should go become an amateur, he might fair better.


-mortcola :

YUP! Tim Lane was the one getting it from this Universe, which wouldn't be hating on C-Al's education. We would be like kettles calling the pots black. This Universe is mucho intelligente y educatio. Dumb boxers, and dummy fans following boxers, is a myth and a big LIE! Da Manny also has an academic master's degree, he is a congressman and an army colonel in the P-Islands. Let me remind you guys here that while Da Manny was whuppin' arse to become a champ in eight divisions, he was hitting those books and attending classes, in which he got his high school degree and three college degrees. Holla!
Yup! To be a sweet SCIENTIST means understanding physics, geometry, psychology, and existential philosophy - you create your nature by the choices you make - and a jazz master. Thinking quick under pain of death to put it all together. School is good - but even the uneducated by school standards have learned from the universe. And experience, if you survive long enough to get it, is where the casserole bakes, and courage to keep it from falling apart. There are no dummies who get or stay at the top notches of boxing.


-Skibbz :

Yup! To be a sweet SCIENTIST means understanding physics, geometry, psychology, and existential philosophy - you create your nature by the choices you make - and a jazz master. Thinking quick under pain of death to put it all together. School is good - but even the uneducated by school standards have learned from the universe. And experience, if you survive long enough to get it, is where the casserole bakes, and courage to keep it from falling apart. There are no dummies who get or stay at the top notches of boxing.
Nice post Mort, boxing is much more than meets the eye!