HE'S A WLAAAD MAN: Wladimir Klitschko KOs Pulev in Round 5

Klitschko-Pulev

The underdog gets points for trying, for earning his check, but in the end, the same fate befell Kubrat Pulev as all the others since 2004. Wladimir Klitschko's left hook was a persistent and nasty presence on the chin of the Bulgarian, who was down twice in the first, once in the third and for the final time in the fifth, in the main event from the O2 World Arena in Hamburg on Saturday, and on HBO.

The Ukrainian born German and US resident, who is awaiting the birth of his first baby, in the belly of starlet mama to be Hayden Panettiere, Klitschko (39 in March; 245.8 Friday) was 62-3, with 52 stops entering; the Bulgarian Pulev (from Bulgaria; 2008 Olympian; 246.9 Friday; enjoys ½ inch reach advantage) was 20-0 with 11 KOs.

This was Wlad’s 17th title defense for the semi-undisputed heavyweight champ, trailing Joe Louis at 25, and Larry Holmes at 20, though the foes available to Wlad haven’t been half a Murderers Row.

This was a fun version of Wlad, one that would have made late trainer Emanuel Steward VERY happy; Steward loved when Wlad got nasty, craved KOs, and that was the guy on this night. Is he worried about being a dad? Who knows why on this night he got vicious, maybe because he sensed Pulev didn't have the pop to bother him. Regardless, we will all be happy to see Wlad seeking early stoppages in this fashion, moving forward.

In the first, the 6-4 underdog and Wlad clinched. Tony Weeks the ref got busy early. Pulev came out rough, but not ready; he was knocked down twice by left hooks. The first hook was a lead left, and he got up on iffy legs, but clear eyes. The second one was sort of a push, and balance issue.

In the second, the 6-6 dominator, who came with all but the WBC belt, was patient, landed a sharp right. He bounced, much more than normal, and wanted to land a lead left hook. Pulev was too stiff and tall, no head movement. Trainer Jonathan Banks told Wlad to circle and move, don’t let Pulev get into a dirty mode.

In the third, Pulev was busier, jabbing more. They of course clinched each other…His jab was not Holmesian…A right hand hurt Pulev, and the lead left hook sent him down for the third time. Wlad was nasty, looking to finish. Pulev’s rabbit punches were his best work.

In the fourth, a right landed on Wlad. Wlad posed a bunch and Pulev was having better luck. Not enough to win the round, though.

In the fifth, a right by Wlad resonated. The crowd perked up. A right wobbled Wlad, though, and then he landed a left, a sharp retort, and that was it. Countout win for the Ukrainian master….The end came at 2:11, for the record.

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-stormcentre :

Given the previous threads and posts about Clinchko and whether or not he clinches a lot. . . . I love the way the above fight breakdown starts . . . "In the first, the 6-4 underdog and Wlad clinched".


-the Roast :

Helluva shot landed but Wlad to end the night. I never saw that rabbit punching Pulev before and I hope I don't see him again. What kind of strategy was it to wave his left glove in a circle? At least Wlad got it done in 5. I usually start fast forwarding his fights after 6 rounds.


-stormcentre :

The last full Wlad fight I watched was, I think, in 2011; against someone that had no hope of winning. From the promotion and entrance-festival one could have been forgiven for thinking you were about to witness heavyweight history on par with Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Louis, Liston, etc. I was genuinely shocked with how gullible the crowd and some others were with how they seemed to think they were watching a competitive fight. A friend of mine was once in the army and travelling through Thailand. He showed me this picture of a simply stunning woman he met there. He was, of course, pleased to meet her. But when he took her home to introduce her to the meat he had to please her, he found that s/he already had a package of her own. I can't print what happened next. But, before that final stage was a feeling of disappointment for him that - from what my friend told me, I believe - the closest I have ever approached it, was when watching the above-mentioned fight. Never watched one since. As the delivered goods rarely live up to the advertisement.


-Pazuzu :

Well, that was ugly. For those who missed the fight, here's how it went down: 1) Both fighters stood straight up in the center of the ring and pawed at each other with jabs 2) Wlad would shoot a right cross and follow it up with a clinch 3) Pulev would rabbit punch Wlad 4 or 5 times 4) Tony Weeks would separate the fighters 5) Repeat; On a few occasions, Wlad decided to fire a left hook and knock Pulev down. In all sincerity, though, this fight was exceptional in a couple of ways. For one, I've never seen a fight with so many rabbit punches. I think Klitschko started it in the first round, but Pulev made it his own. They weren't little love taps either. And Pulev used it the way you're supposed to use a jab. He based his offense off of it. Never seen that before. Also, I don't think there was a single uppercut in the entire fight. If there was, I missed it. Which was especially surprising given the ample opportunity for inside fighting. It was like both fighters had agreed beforehand not to use one of the major punches in the sport. "Man, this guy is all over me. I wish there were a way I could get him to back up...ahh, I'll just punch him in the back of the head." To his credit, Klitschko did fire a crackerjack jab-cross combo in the third round which in all fairness should have taken Pulev's head clean off. And to his credit, Pulev did not fall down after this blow, but instead just stood there for a second with his arms at his side, probably surprised that he was still in possession of his own head. In the end, this fight just reinforced my belief that Wladimir Klitschko is not a great fighter so much as he is just a very big, and very strong fighter, who is smart enough to know how to maximize every inch of his size to his advantage. I can't shake the feeling that if he were only 6'3" or 6'2", he never would have amounted to much in any division... I can't believe the Germans go in for this stuff...


-brownsugar :

The Germans really love their boxing and their champions. The Superbowl scale presentation rivalled the lavish preflight shows preceeding Camacho, Mayweather and Prince Hamed combined. My initial excitement was temporarily abated during the first round because nothing about the contest resembled boxing. Pulev started out with a bum-rushing, rabbit punching attack while both boxers occasionally employed the ugly pawing jabs....eventually WK extended his long tentacles in an effort to contain Pulev's attempt to mug him early. Thankfully VK's corner advised him to get on his lateral movement, use his rythym, and box. And box he did... Vk landed some viciously concussive lefts along with a few picture perfect right hands that eventually dispensed with Pulev's brief title fight opportunity. Give him credit though... Pulev absorbed more punishment than the Cat in the Tom & Gerry cartoon. He got up so many times it started to look normal. Then...immediately after appearing to have a bit of success in the final round, WK resolved matters by drilling Pulev with a right hand no man could survive. A good win for VK and an entertaining blow-out.


-Domenic :

Agreed Brownsuger. It was artless as you aptly described but was a reasonably exciting fight. It often had the look of a toughman fight. Those were definitely the most rabbit punches I can remember since Ruiz-Golota, and before that Ali-Wepner. Let's hope Wladimir gets the Stiverne-Wilder winner. That one would generate some buzz.


-brownsugar :

Agreed Brownsuger. It was artless as you aptly described but was a reasonably exciting fight. It often had the look of a toughman fight. Those were definitely the most rabbit punches I can remember since Ruiz-Golota, and before that Ali-Wepner. Let's hope Wladimir gets the Stiverne-Wilder winner. That one would generate some buzz.
Domenic i was thinking Tony Weeks did a good job bench pressing the boxers apart...but he could have issued some warnings. Although the fight was never going to go the distance.... Pulev had nothing to bring outside of being a big heavyweight.


-brownsugar :

Also whomever wins the contest between Stiverne and Wilder should use a little Al Hayman magic to forestall that event as long as possible. WK is too savvy and too strong for either man .... Although both fighters do possess the fabled punchers chance....


-deepwater2 :

That fight was a very sad representation of the sweet science. Weeks had his hands full so he was not to blame. My guests requested the channel be changed by round 2. The Tyson, Bowe,Holyfield ,Lewis era is missed.


-The Commish :

Agreed Brownsuger. It was artless as you aptly described but was a reasonably exciting fight. It often had the look of a toughman fight. Those were definitely the most rabbit punches I can remember since Ruiz-Golota, and before that Ali-Wepner. Let's hope Wladimir gets the Stiverne-Wilder winner. That one would generate some buzz.
I have announced heavyweight fights in the golden Gloves which were not as sloppy as the World Heavyweight Championship fight we watched today. How Pulev got to 20-0 is simply beyond me. The greatest part of his offense was right hand rabbit punches which were repeated, flagrant and intentional. While Klitschko far from a perfect fighter. However, his height, reach, jab and awesome power make it extremely difficult for his shorter opponents to get close. As Pulev tried to land his jab, Klitschko's own jab rendered him powerless and the jab useless, other than to wave in circles. It was as if he was trying to hypnotize Klitschko as he waved it ineffectively. Klitschko's power us impressive. That first knockdown of Pulev came on a beauty of a hook, and the knockout was power personified. So, what's next for Wladimir. The talk is very real about who his next opponent will be. It'll pack just about any arena it's put in, though it's unlikely the fight will be in the U.S. Most likely, Germany will be the site. Can you say Shannon Briggs? LET'S GO, CHAMP! -Randy G.


-ultimoshogun :

Also whomever wins the contest between Stiverne and Wilder should use a little Al Hayman magic to forestall that event as long as possible. WK is too savvy and too strong for either man .... Although both fighters do possess the fabled punchers chance....
Sug, whatcha think about that new Chinese Goliath, Taishan? I think he may have some potential.


-the Roast :

Sug, whatcha think about that new Chinese Goliath, Taishan? I think he may have some potential.
HEY! Where the hell have you been man? You have been gone for freakin months!


-the Roast :

I have announced heavyweight fights in the golden Gloves which were not as sloppy as the World Heavyweight Championship fight we watched today. How Pulev got to 20-0 is simply beyond me. The greatest part of his offense was right hand rabbit punches which were repeated, flagrant and intentional. While Klitschko far from a perfect fighter. However, his height, reach, jab and awesome power make it extremely difficult for his shorter opponents to get close. As Pulev tried to land his jab, Klitschko's own jab rendered him powerless and the jab useless, other than to wave in circles. It was as if he was trying to hypnotize Klitschko as he waved it ineffectively. Klitschko's power us impressive. That first knockdown of Pulev came on a beauty of a hook, and the knockout was power personified. So, what's next for Wladimir. The talk is very real about who his next opponent will be. It'll pack just about any arena it's put in, though it's unlikely the fight will be in the U.S. Most likely, Germany will be the site. Can you say Shannon Briggs? LET'S GO, CHAMP! -Randy G.
Gotta give Wlad some credit for that entrance. That was pretty cool. I do not understand why he always comes out to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers song though. I wonder what the significance is to him. Addicted to the shindig maybe?


-ultimoshogun :

HEY! Where the hell have you been man? You have been gone for freakin months!
I was out looking for the other fellas that went MIA...finally gave up and got kinda lost on my way back.


-the Roast :

I was out looking for the other fellas that went MIA...finally gave up and got kinda lost on my way back.
That makes sense. I did this whole Tennis segment over on Random Topics, I was calling for you to be my Ed McMahon. You would have added a lot with your knowledge and love for the lady hitters.


-ultimoshogun :

That makes sense. I did this whole Tennis segment over on Random Topics, I was calling for you to be my Ed McMahon. You would have added a lot with your knowledge and love for the lady hitters.
I'll have to look it up, my girl, Genie had a good year. Also good to see Ivanovic playing competitive tennis again.


-brownsugar :

Sug, whatcha think about that new Chinese Goliath, Taishan? I think he may have some potential.
I like the avatar Ultimo .... Welcome back we've missed your input. Regarding Dong... The 6'11" 285lb human version of the China Wall, He can't help but get into the 100-50 world ranked heavyweights at least by virtue of his size alone. He has to have every thing made extra large mouthpiece, cup, shoes, and 22 ounce sparring mitts. He's better coordinated than the hulking, lumbering Valuev and is more naturally coordinated. He has a background in kung fu, kick boxing, and wrestling but from what little I've read he doesn't have any spectacular exploits to announce at the amateur level. A work in progress... Should at least make it to the top 25 with good management. As with all late adopters I'll try not to be too critical and keep a wait and see attitude. But if you ask what I think today.... By the the time he's ready to take a significant step up... The division will already be full of giant heavyweights who have been boxing from a much earlier age.


-King Beef :

Agreed Brownsuger. It was artless as you aptly described but was a reasonably exciting fight. It often had the look of a toughman fight. Those were definitely the most rabbit punches I can remember since Ruiz-Golota, and before that Ali-Wepner. Let's hope Wladimir gets the Stiverne-Wilder winner. That one would generate some buzz.
Domenic, I kinda wanna see Wilder in there; Its probably too much of a step up for him, but at least Wilder has the reach to be able to touch Wlad without getting into the clinch zone.


-The Commish :

Domenic, I kinda wanna see Wilder in there; Its probably too much of a step up for him, but at least Wilder has the reach to be able to touch Wlad without getting into the clinch zone.
Agreed, King. But first, I wish the Stiverne-Wilder fight would get finalized. From what I've heard, Don King is gumming up the works, as I figured he would. AS Stiverne is DK's last bigtime champion, he is holding on with everything he's got. He wants options and he wants rights to Wilder should he win. Al Haymon is having no part of that. I believe it is going to take an edict from the WBC to make this fight happen. The words from WBC Prexy Mauricio to King are going to be something like "Get this fight signed or the WBC will strip Stiverne of the title." What will King do? As for Wladimir Klitschko, who's next for him? Bryant Jennings? Shannon Briggs? Steve Cunningham? Amir Mansour? -Randy G.


-oubobcat :

Rumor has it that Bryant Jennings is being lined up for this spring for a fight in the US. I think Jennings is a step above Pulev (who I always thought was just ordinary) but not sure how competitive he'd be against Klitschko. Jennings is athletic and has good speed but not anything Klitschko hasn't dealt with before. And frankly Jennings is not a huge puncher but instead relies more often on accumulation of punches to get his ko's generally. I do wonder some about Jennings chin as we have seen him rocked a few times by lesser fighters (Bowie Tupou and Andrey Fedosov). Jennings fight with Perez was a snooze fest. I could see something similar against Klitschko occuring with a lot of clinches and not a lot of activity. I could see Jennings being afardi to let his hands go with fear of what could be incoming if he does. I want to see Amir Mansour fight Klitschko. At the very least, Mansour would not be afraid to charge Klitschko and wing big power shots. And Mansour would not accept the inside clinches and instead try to work. Could Mansour with his style be ko'd early? Yes but it'd be a fun fight for once involving Klitschko while it lasts and I give Mansour a decent punchers chance of making something happen.


-Radam G :

Rumor has it that Bryant Jennings is being lined up for this spring for a fight in the US. I think Jennings is a step above Pulev (who I always thought was just ordinary) but not sure how competitive he'd be against Klitschko. Jennings is athletic and has good speed but not anything Klitschko hasn't dealt with before. And frankly Jennings is not a huge puncher but instead relies more often on accumulation of punches to get his ko's generally. I do wonder some about Jennings chin as we have seen him rocked a few times by lesser fighters (Bowie Tupou and Andrey Fedosov). Jennings fight with Perez was a snooze fest. I could see something similar against Klitschko occuring with a lot of clinches and not a lot of activity. I could see Jennings being afardi to let his hands go with fear of what could be incoming if he does. I want to see Amir Mansour fight Klitschko. At the very least, Mansour would not be afraid to charge Klitschko and wing big power shots. And Mansour would not accept the inside clinches and instead try to work. Could Mansour with his style be ko'd early? Yes but it'd be a fun fight for once involving Klitschko while it lasts and I give Mansour a decent punchers chance of making something happen.
Mansour would get kayoed in the very first round. His style is gravy for Doc Wlad K. He couldn't touch Doc Wlad K with a 10-foot pole. Holla!


-mortcola :

Given the previous threads and posts about Clinchko and whether or not he clinches a lot. . . . I love the way the above fight breakdown starts . . . "In the first, the 6-4 underdog and Wlad clinched".
To be fair....and yes, the Povetkin clinch-fest was pathetic, a career low in spite of also being shut out against a guy who used to be considered a future champ - last night the majority of clinches were initiated by Pulev - and it made me think that when Wladimir is in an ornery frame of mind, the fights get ugly mostly because the opponent is reduced to an ineffectual chaos trying not to get killed; clinching at equal frequency, and rabbit punching. If you watch early WK, before he got his rude awakening, maybe even exemplified by the McCline fight, he was a smooth, sometimes playful and highly athletic boxer with great power when he unleashed it. Last night you saw a disillusioned Pulev reduced to bum rushes and waving his jab hand around in a pathetic attempt to hypnotize WK, then rabbit punch him - Tony Weeks was uncharacteristically tolerant of that blatant and unforgivable foul. WK actually mixed jabs to head and body, landed a few good trademark straight rights, but realized that Pulev could not see the lead hook coming, and he close the show with it....also demonstrating that some of his tools are amazingly refined. Not many fighters in any weight class can throw a GOOD true lead hook, not one set up by the coiled torque of a cross or overhand right, but a true lead, with the speed and accuracy of a jab, and also maximum power. Also as to the fabled glass jaw - my opposing explanation is that WK has an adequate chin at least, used to freak out from anxiety when bested in battle and forced to fight, and that the anxiety is mostly gone now. Pulev nailed him with a perfect, hard right, and what did the supposed glass-jaw champ do? He spun off the ropes, feinted instead of fainted, and closed the show with a cruel hook that Gatti would have been happy to throw. Now, he’ll probably remain a conservative fighter because he has learned that his odds are overwhelmingly better if he lets his height and ability to control angle and distance be the first and main tools. But he hasn’t been fazed by a clean punch in a decade, and sometimes seems to realize that fighting is fun. And he did some of his best work against three tall guys who pressured him, guys he had no or minimal size and strength advantage - Pulev, Thompson, Wach. Pulev also was one of his best opponents in terms of how he performed in prior fights, is almost as tall, is renowned for his physical strength, and has the same reach as WK - this was not a size mismatch, but one in which WK had to just be the better and tougher fighter. Against physically imposing fighters, one of whim, Thompson, is defensively tricky and durable, it was sheer technique and stamina that dominated, not size. What the PUBLIC needs is for that WK to be pressured by someone good and forced to go to blood and guts land. But the fact is that no one has succeeded at getting WK out of his game since Steward settled his mind and refined his technique, and he still KOs a huge proportion of opponents, sometimes in highlight-reel fashion, What happens before the bomb, the come-shot for those who need better action, is a matter of taste.


-Skibbz :

I think you're right RG, Dr SH looked mean last night. He was his usual self but he took a few good shots and came roaring back with some real thunder. His accuracy, speed and thunderous power would be too much for Mansour imo. After last night's showing I don't really see anyone else being able to beat him, not Stiverne, not Briggs, not Fury, Not Wilder not anyone at the moment. The hegemony will continue for a few more years I think.


-Kid Blast :

I loved watching this monster destroy Pulev. Everyone likes to diss him it seems, but he just keeps on staying in perfect shape and winning. Plus I like his girlfriend.


-Kid Blast :

Also, Banks must have studied the films to find that sweet spot for Klits left hook. He is fast becoming an elite trainer if only a one horse pony.


-amayseng :

IF only I was 6'2 and 215 lbs there is no doubt in my mind I wouldn't be a top ten heavy weight fighter in 5 fights...That is how sad this division is. How can these high level, top championship level fighters not have a CLUE how to fight on the inside? It is disturbing at the very least. I think a younger less worn Chisora may have beaten Wlad. Ever notice how Vitali always took on the tougher opponents?


-The Commish :

To be fair....and yes, the Povetkin clinch-fest was pathetic, a career low in spite of also being shut out against a guy who used to be considered a future champ - last night the majority of clinches were initiated by Pulev - and it made me think that when Wladimir is in an ornery frame of mind, the fights get ugly mostly because the opponent is reduced to an ineffectual chaos trying not to get killed; clinching at equal frequency, and rabbit punching. If you watch early WK, before he got his rude awakening, maybe even exemplified by the McCline fight, he was a smooth, sometimes playful and highly athletic boxer with great power when he unleashed it. Last night you saw a disillusioned Pulev reduced to bum rushes and waving his jab hand around in a pathetic attempt to hypnotize WK, then rabbit punch him - Tony Weeks was uncharacteristically tolerant of that blatant and unforgivable foul. WK actually mixed jabs to head and body, landed a few good trademark straight rights, but realized that Pulev could not see the lead hook coming, and he close the show with it....also demonstrating that some of his tools are amazingly refined. Not many fighters in any weight class can throw a GOOD true lead hook, not one set up by the coiled torque of a cross or overhand right, but a true lead, with the speed and accuracy of a jab, and also maximum power. Also as to the fabled glass jaw - my opposing explanation is that WK has an adequate chin at least, used to freak out from anxiety when bested in battle and forced to fight, and that the anxiety is mostly gone now. Pulev nailed him with a perfect, hard right, and what did the supposed glass-jaw champ do? He spun off the ropes, feinted instead of fainted, and closed the show with a cruel hook that Gatti would have been happy to throw. Now, he’ll probably remain a conservative fighter because he has learned that his odds are overwhelmingly better if he lets his height and ability to control angle and distance be the first and main tools. But he hasn’t been fazed by a clean punch in a decade, and sometimes seems to realize that fighting is fun. And he did some of his best work against three tall guys who pressured him, guys he had no or minimal size and strength advantage - Pulev, Thompson, Wach. Against physically imposing fighters, one of whim, Thompson, is defensively tricky and durable, it was sheer technique and stamina that dominated, not size. What the PUBLIC needs is for that WK to be pressured by someone good and forced to go to blood and guts land. But the fact is that no one has succeeded at getting WK out of his game since Steward settled his mind and refined his technique, and he still KOs a huge proportion of opponents, sometimes in highlight-reel fashion, What happens before the bomb, the come-shot for those who need better action, is a matter of taste.
Fine points, Mort. You have studied Klitschko, I see. Years ago, before ever getting involved with Wladimir, Emanuel Steward was in NYC and had dinner with me. We talked about the Klitschko Brothers. "These two guys have it all," said Emanuel. "They got size, strength and power. Between the two of them, the younger one (Wladimir) is the better, all-around fighter. But I believe the older one is tougher, sturdier one." He was right. Soon after, Wladimir was stopped by Corrie Sanders. Just over one year later, Klitschko was stopped again, this time by Lamon Brewster. I saw Stewrad days later, and we spoke about Wladimir Klitschko and I asked Steward about Wlad's brittle chin. "I don't think it's as much the sturdiness of his chin as it is about him learning to relax," Steward told me. "He can be taught to relax." Soon after, Steward took over the reigns as Wladimir's head trainer. And he did indeed teach Wlad. He taught him to relax and he taught him to use his weapons: His height. His reach. His power. His jab. His speed. His conditioning. It has now been over 10 years since Klitschko has lost. He has learned to keep his chin off the end of heavyweight bombs by keeping his smaller opponents outside and wrapping them up inside. The overmatched, painfully slow Pulev could do nothing from the outside and either clinched or was clinched when he got in close. In close, his best punch was a right hand rabbit punch, which he should have been penalized for. That first-round lead left hook, which dropped Pulev, was a thing of beauty. I believe that shot, took all the fight out of Pulev, just like Sergei Kovalev's first-round right hand to the head probably took all the fight out of Bernard Hopkins, who then began to fight to survive, not win. So, Klitschko closes 2014 with fifth-round KO victories over hapless Alex Leapai and helpless Kubrat Pulev. Who will be next? -Randy G.


-mortcola :

As for Vitali taking on the tougher fighters......? Check boxrec. Wlad hasn?t avoided anyone, and the brothers? toughest opponents were among those they BOTH fought - Sanders, Peter. It is true that Vitali was just unshakeable, iron chinned and cool under pressure, better able to improvise despite a completely unorthodox technique. But between the two, neither has avoided any opponents.


-Radam G :

As for Vitali taking on the tougher fighters......? Check boxrec. Wlad hasn’t avoided anyone, and the brothers’ toughest opponents were among those they BOTH fought - Sanders, Peter. It is true that Vitali was just unshakeable, iron chinned and cool under pressure, better able to improvise despite a completely unorthodox technique. But between the two, neither has avoided any opponents.
Except for James "Lights Out" Toney. By the advice of the late, great (GBG) Manny Steward, the bros/docs avoided him. And there is no shame in it. Avoidance is a part of the game. Holla!


-mortcola :

Except for James "Lights Out" Toney. By the advice of the late, great (GBG) Manny Steward, the bros/docs avoided him. And there is no shame in it. Avoidance is a part of the game. Holla!
Perhaps. Perhaps that’s just a fable, an apocryphal tale. But Toney was never a force in the division during their reign. Toney - like Mayweather, Hector Camacho, prime RJJ - could have made any big, relatively lumbering guy look bad - but probably wouldn’t have won. There was no REASON to fight Toney. No money, a frustrating night, though almost certain wins. Toney lost to guys who were hugely inferior boxers to either Klitschko. He was low risk of losing, high risk of frustration, low reward, low money....no reason to fight him at all. No reason to fight Bendo Bleacho the Albino Rubber Boy, either. Though not much danger, either.


-Radam G :

Perhaps. Perhaps that’s just a fable, an apocryphal tale. But Toney was never a force in the division during their reign. Toney - like Mayweather, Hector Camacho, prime RJJ - could have made any big, relatively lumbering guy look bad - but probably wouldn’t have won. There was no REASON to fight Toney. No money, a frustrating night, though almost certain wins. Toney lost to guys who were hugely inferior boxers to either Klitschko. He was low risk of losing, high risk of frustration, low reward, low money....no reason to fight him at all. No reason to fight Bendo Bleacho the Albino Rubber Boy, either. Though not much danger, either.
If I were a gotcha man, which I'm not. I would put up the video of the late, great (GBG) Manny Steward admitting to that in his own words and voice during one of his talking head gigs with HBO. He clearly said that he told the K-bros/docs to ignore boxing Toney. Sorry, Doc M-Cola! But I hate fables and apocryphal tales involving the actuality of the reality. Holla!


-stormcentre :

Plus, I think it's pretty easy to drop lead left hooks - and they were by no means perfectly executed - on a shorter, scared guy like Pulev; who for some reason had no defence to them, even after getting hit by the first one(s). Part of the problem is that there really is no-one to challenge Wlad. Another part is that Wlad and Vitaly (when/is he's active) seem content to serve up fried green tomatoes to their local audiences. There's no doubt Wlad is a competent champion boxer, but I haven't seen him in an interesting and competitive fight for a long time and I don't think it's all to do with his talent.


-The Shadow :

Plus, I think it's pretty easy to drop lead left hooks - and they were by no means perfectly executed - on a shorter, scared guy like Pulev; who for some reason had no defence to them, even after getting hit by the first one(s). Part of the problem is that there really is no-one to challenge Wlad. Another part is that Wlad and Vitaly (when/is he's active) seem content to serve up fried green tomatoes to their local audiences. There's no doubt Wlad is a competent champion boxer, but I haven't seen him in an interesting and competitive fight for a long time and I don't think it's all to do with his talent.
And now he's likely to face Shannon Briggs, keeping that trend going. You know, it's funny. He claims to be enraged with Briggs, claims to have no knowledge of their "angle," or "storyline," as the vernacular goes in pro wrestling. Yet, just before the fight with Kobra Pulev, Klitschko's OFFICIAL, VERIFIED account -- meaning that it's him or someone on behalf of him -- posts a superbly produced video, FEATURING Briggs in all his splendor. But he's not in on it? What's even funnier is that the dramaturgy of the narrative clearly paints Wlad is the hero to the villainous antagonist Briggs, walking around shirtless in the cold streets of Hamburg like he's Batista or something. The faint, muffled "Let's go, Champ!" sound byte at 1:22 just had me going. I'm serious, it looks and feels JUST like one of those promos for a WWE pay-per-view match. What do you guys think?


-brownsugar :

And now he's likely to face Shannon Briggs, keeping that trend going. You know, it's funny. He claims to be enraged with Briggs, claims to have no knowledge of their "angle," or "storyline," as the vernacular goes in pro wrestling. Yet, just before the fight with Kobra Pulev, Klitschko's OFFICIAL, VERIFIED account -- meaning that it's him or someone on behalf of him -- posts a superbly produced video, FEATURING Briggs in all his splendor. But he's not in on it? What's even funnier is that the dramaturgy of the narrative clearly paints Wlad is the hero to the villainous antagonist Briggs, walking around shirtless in the cold streets of Hamburg like he's Batista or something. The faint, muffled "Let's go, Champ!" sound byte at 1:22 just had me going. I'm serious, it looks and feels JUST like one of those promos for a WWE pay-per-view match. What do you guys think?
Hilarious...


-The Commish :

Shannon has told me that he will be given a shot at Klitschko. I know many of you--most of you--think it is everything from a joke to ridiculous to absurd. In many ways, so do I. But it IS going to happen. Most likely it will happen in the O2 Arena or some other venue which can seat 80,000+ fans. Klitschko is a national hero in Germany and Briggs has captured the imagination of the German boxing public. With Klitschko having run over many of the Top-10 contenders, it is certainly realistic to think that this powerfully-built former champion, the guy who retired George Foreman, turning his face into a grotesque mask and a guy who has six victories (albeir over nobodies) on the comeback trail, will be given a shot at Wladimir Klitschko. Wlad wants to hang around and become the unified beltholder of all five title belts (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, IBO). He also needs around four more to pass Larry Holmes in number of defenses and something like nine more to pass Joe Louis. A "Bum of the Month" tour will get him past Holmes, but to reach Louis, that's a stretch. If he takes on guys like Briggs, Amir Mansour, Bryant Jennings, Vyacheslav Glazkov, Ruslan Chagaev (again) Artur Spzilka and a few others in the next 18 months, there is a possibility he can do it. With his condition, size, skill and power--and the lack of any super talent out there amongst the heavyweight contenders, perhaps he'll get there. Wlad is getting better with age. -Randy G.


-The Commish :

Shannon Briggs just confirmed he will be joining me, Gerry Cooney and The Shadow on today at 6:15. He is always a good interview, especially as he moves closer to a fight with Klitschko. He will talk about his few days in Germany as he pursues Klitschko. If you have SiriusXM, you can listen to the interview live at 6:15pm (ET) on SiriusXM channel 92. LET'S GO, CHAMP! -Randy G.


-Skibbz :

Shannon Briggs just confirmed he will be joining me, Gerry Cooney and The Shadow on today at 6:15. He is always a good interview, especially as he moves closer to a fight with Klitschko. He will talk about his few days in Germany as he pursues Klitschko. If you have SiriusXM, you can listen to the interview live at 6:15pm (ET) on SiriusXM channel 92. LET'S GO, CHAMP! -Randy G.
Is there a way we can tune in on this side of the pond? We're nocturnal and would love to listen. It's entertaining for brief moments to listen to Briggs, he's talking his way into the fight but he's going to be retired by Klitschko if he gets his wish. Tell him to take a pillow because the Dr is gonna put him to sleep!


-The Shadow :

Hilarious...
Yeah, this is what we will likely see:
->http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/briggs-vitali-klitschko-wladimir-.png He's funny, though! LET'S GO, CHAMP! EDIT, here's what Briggs himself had to say: "THEY HATING ON ME BECAUSE IM #OLDFRESH THE SHARK CHASER!!! PRESS CONFERENCE CRASHER!!!! COME TO YOUR WORKOUTS AND INTERRUPT ���� TAKE YOUR FOOD OFF YOUR PLATE!!! #iEATWHATYOUEAT KNOCK YOU OFF YOUR PADDLE BOARD TYPE OF DUDE!!! COME TO YOUR ADOPTED COUNTRY AND MAKE YOUR FANS SAY YOU SUCK ������ IM A BEAST!!! ������ I JUST WANT TO PUT BOXING BACK AT THE FOREFRONT OF ENTERTAINMENT. BOXING NEEDS NEW PEOPLE. A LOT OF YALL IN BOXING HATING. MEANWHILE YOU CANT FIGHT #LETSGOCHAMP"


-The Shadow :

Also, out of curiosity, I went to the German Google News and looked up how much press Briggs could've gotten by going to Germany. Turns out the German press has been featuring him non-stop with headlines such as "Klitschko stalker strikes again!" and "Will he get a shot?" One quick search yielded 10,800 results. For context, I then typed in Steffi Graf, the iconic German tennis player, who's married to Andre Agassi. 2,400 results. Gotta admit, this dude is making the most of his last opportunity. And he's got this self promotion down to a T! Here are the stories from the Google News results:
->https://www.google.de/#q=shannon+briggs&tbm=nws


-amayseng :

Shannon has told me that he will be given a shot at Klitschko. I know many of you--most of you--think it is everything from a joke to ridiculous to absurd. In many ways, so do I. But it IS going to happen. Most likely it will happen in the O2 Arena or some other venue which can seat 80,000+ fans. Klitschko is a national hero in Germany and Briggs has captured the imagination of the German boxing public. With Klitschko having run over many of the Top-10 contenders, it is certainly realistic to think that this powerfully-built former champion, the guy who retired George Foreman, turning his face into a grotesque mask and a guy who has six victories (albeir over nobodies) on the comeback trail, will be given a shot at Wladimir Klitschko. Wlad wants to hang around and become the unified beltholder of all five title belts (WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, IBO). He also needs around four more to pass Larry Holmes in number of defenses and something like nine more to pass Joe Louis. A "Bum of the Month" tour will get him past Holmes, but to reach Louis, that's a stretch. If he takes on guys like Briggs, Amir Mansour, Bryant Jennings, Vyacheslav Glazkov, Ruslan Chagaev (again) Artur Spzilka and a few others in the next 18 months, there is a possibility he can do it. With his condition, size, skill and power--and the lack of any super talent out there amongst the heavyweight contenders, perhaps he'll get there. Wlad is getting better with age. -Randy G.
Also with the help of steroids and illegal PEDS he may have a chance in this era. And yes he is taking that ish.. I am all for Briggs, at least he was a past belt holder and good overall fighter, plus he is entertaining thus far.


-deepwater2 :

Briggs had this plan all along when he started this comeback. I don't even thinks he gets payed for fighting the stiffs he has been lining up. Pretty sure he gets a monthly allowance and travel paid for. Its the Clubber Lang method and it works. it worked for Antonio Tarver against Roy Jones and it worked for Vargas when he wanted De la Hoya. a closed mouth doesn't get fed and Briggs will use some more out of the ring tactics to get the shot. The fight will be at MSG


-The Commish :

Also, out of curiosity, I went to the German Google News and looked up how much press Briggs could've gotten by going to Germany. Turns out the German press has been featuring him non-stop with headlines such as "Klitschko stalker strikes again!" and "Will he get a shot?" One quick search yielded 10,800 results. For context, I then typed in Steffi Graf, the iconic German tennis player, who's married to Andre Agassi. 2,400 results. Gotta admit, this dude is making the most of his last opportunity. And he's got this self promotion down to a T! Here are the stories from the Google News results:
->https://www.google.de/#q=shannon+briggs&tbm=nws
Briggs has become so popular over there it's crazy. The German boxing public love him. A fight between he and lil Klit will be incredibly big. Love him or hate him, Briggs is doing a tremendous job of working his way into one last big payday. Oh, if you don't have SiriusXM, call this toll free # and tell the person who answers the phone that you just want to listen: 1-866-522-2846. We have Briggs scheduled to be on at 6:15pm (ET). Hope a lot of you can tune in. -Randy G.


-mortcola :

If I were a gotcha man, which I'm not. I would put up the video of the late, great (GBG) Manny Steward admitting to that in his own words and voice during one of his talking head gigs with HBO. He clearly said that he told the K-bros/docs to ignore boxing Toney. Sorry, Doc M-Cola! But I hate fables and apocryphal tales involving the actuality of the reality. Holla!
I believe you. But I don?t think it was because Toney would have won the fight. I think Steward saw it as a low-value fight in which his guy wouldn?t have looked good - worse even, for those who already think he looks bad - in spite of winning every round, and therefore had no positive purpose. But let?s not forget that Toney couldn?t even maintain anything effective in terms of meaningful offense against a limited, pure power brute with nothing but technical basics, Sam Peter....lost against Lucas Brown, Denis Lebedev, Jason Gavern.....and Wladimir Klitschko had to fear something? Except, like the game we played in summer camp, water polo with a greased watermelon. The melon has no chance, but it makes everyone look bad. Absolute negative legacy fight. Even if WK batters around a tough-chinned short, fat feeble Weeble and beats his shoulders and forearms into hemorrhaging hamburger while TOney old-schools him with nifty defensive moves, it goes down in history as an example of cherry-picking no-risk former middleweights, and he gains nothing.


-Froggy :

Right on mortcloa ! No risk AND no reward !


-flackoguapo :

Is there a way we can tune in on this side of the pond? We're nocturnal and would love to listen. It's entertaining for brief moments to listen to Briggs, he's talking his way into the fight but he's going to be retired by Klitschko if he gets his wish. Tell him to take a pillow because the Dr is gonna put him to sleep!
yeah... go to the serius XM website and you can start a free trial(30 days) with just an email address. And then you look up the show on channel 92 on the website at 6pm East coast time.
->http://www.siriusxm.com/


-Skibbz :

yeah... go to the serius XM website and you can start a free trial(30 days) with just an email address. And then you look up the show on channel 92 on the website at 6pm East coast time.
->http://www.siriusxm.com/
Thanks for the help signed up and ready for the next show!


-The Shadow :

Thanks for the help signed up and ready for the next show!
You missed a good one last night. He revealed a lot of stuff about the whole ordeal after Gerry sort of "upset" him by calling it/him a joke.


-The Commish :

You missed a good one last night. He revealed a lot of stuff about the whole ordeal after Gerry sort of "upset" him by calling it/him a joke.
Only, Gerry--who was doing the show from his home in New Jersey--didn't realize Briggs was on the phone during a break and overhearing everything we were saying about him. Then, when we came back from the break, Briggs was very nice about how he responded to Cooney. He heard Gerry ask us "How did he get to Germany? It costs money to go there? Who paid for that? I'm sure Briggs didn't. So, who paid?" Briggs responded with, "Gerry, I'm a big boy. I make my own money. I own two houses which I bought with my own money. I do my own publicity. I have no high-priced team around me. I do all of this myself." When Cooney said, "This is a serious business," in reference to boxing. "You know that, Shannon. You were hurt severely against Vitali. You were in the hospital for 30 days. You can get hurt the same way against Wladimir." Briggs replied, "First of all, I was not in the hospital for 30 days. I was in for 14 days. And the only reason I was in that long is because the doctor who operated on my torn bicep was away for several days. Had he been there, I would have been discharged after three or four days. Vitali fought a one-armed fighter that day. Yet, being the big, strong puncher he is, he couldn't knock me down. I am a fighter and I know the risks. We all know the risks every time we step out there. But I am in better shape now than at any point in my life. I want to fight Wladimir Klitschko because he is the best heavyweight out there, and I know I can beat him." Naturally, he ended his lecture to Cooney with "LET'S GO, CHAMP!" Briggs was gratious, cordial, funny and entertaining. In a post on my Facebook page, someone put up a shot of Briggs in the hospital post-Vitali Klitschko. No matter how many times Briggs explains a broken oprbital bone, caused by a Klitschko elbow, along with the fact as a one-armed fighter he couldn't block a majority of Vitali's shots, detractors keep referring back to that night and what happened to Briggs in the fight. "I have never felt better. I train right, I eat right and I live right," said Briggs. "It is my dream to face Wladimir Klitschko and I am going to chase my dream. The heavyweight division isw dead. Yet, a fight between me and Wladimir will wake the division up." Say what you want. I believe Briggs is right. For him, a fight against Wladimir Klitschko is more than a payday. It's worldwide attention turned to the heavyweight division in a fight that may not turn out as Briggs hopes, but it will certainly not be horrific ending so many doomsday worriers fear. In fact, it just may have a storybook ending. -Randy G.