Kubrat Pulev Is A Poor Man's Wladimir Klitschko

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When WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight title holder Wladimir Klitschko 62-3 (52) defends his title belts against Bulgarian challenger Kubrat Pulev 20-0 (11) Saturday in Hamburg, Germany, and on HBO, Klitschko will in many ways be looking at himself in the mirror from a style vantage-point.

Pulev is five years younger than Klitschko, age 38, and just under two inches shorter and both weigh in the range of 250. Pulev's size can be seen as a plus because he won't be easy for Klitschko to manhandle and tie up. Then again his size and girth present Klitschko a nice big target. The biggest difference regarding numbers is found in their experience. Klitschko has fought 329 rounds as a pro, compared to 133 for Pulev.

Wladimir won a gold medal as a super heavyweight at the 1996 Olympics and has been all but untouchable in 16 title defenses since 2006, while in the process unifying three of the major sanctioning belts. Some may take issue with Klitschko's opposition circa 2006-2014, but he's fought everybody qualified to fight him without side-stepping anyone.

For those who have issues with the challengers Wladmir has defended his title belts against, don't expect to be blown away by this weekend's opponent, Kubrat Pulev, who is the seventh undefeated challenger Klitschko will defend his titles against. When it comes to boxing styles and fighting concepts, Pulev and Klitschko share many technical traits. Such as, they both paw and stab with their lead hand when they jab, and then look to sneak in their right hand – a tactic Wladimir has mastered. However, Pulev is much more open up top and to the head when he comes with his right.

Tony Thompson often neutralized Pulev's moderate aggression by just feinting his jab — something Wladimir is also terrific at. And like Klitschko, Pulev is most at ease fighting on the outside and avoids in-fighting as much as he can. In other words, both guys like to pick their spots at center ring when they have their own volition. In fact Wladimir Klitschko has owned the division for nine years beating his opponents fighting at arm’s length.

Pulev also does something with his feet that is boxing 101, which is very fundamental and basic, but it's something Klitschko is great at timing and countering. Pulev often matches his opponent’s footwork. In doing that, he takes a step forward whenever his opponent takes a step back – conversely when his opponent takes a step forward, he takes a step back. And that is something Wladimir will quickly pick up and surely look to counter.

They both ignore their opponents body, but for different reasons. Wladimir doesn't go downstairs because it leaves his chin vulnerable and open. As for Pulev, he will jab to the body, but he does it, in my opinion, as a form of deception with the hope of lowering his opponent’s hands so he can finish up top. His offense is pretty vanilla. The most imaginative thing that Pulev does to create openings is, he feints with his left and then cuts loose with big right hands, and he does it over and over. Again, that's something else that Wladimir will no doubt be ready for.

When it comes to punching power, they're not in the same class. Wladimir is a great puncher and capable of turning the fight with anything he lands clean as long as he has both feet on the canvas and isn't reaching. Pulev is a big boned guy and is probably stronger than he looks. He has adequate power, but I think it's more accidental power if he catches you clean – like the shot he knocked out Alexander Dimitrenko with in 2012. His overhand right is his money punch, but Wladimir has been facing guys who have looked to get him out with their right hand for his entire career. If Pulev is to land his, he'll have to set it up good and be very deceptive in doing so.

Once again Wladimir is facing a challenger who is a tweener, and the current heavyweight division is littered with them. If you're looking for something to hang your hat on and give you hope that Pulev can win…all I can say is he'll have to get lucky and hope Wladimir is either bored or just not on his game. The problem is Klitschko does everything you could ask one fighter to do better than Pulev. He's the bigger puncher and more polished boxer. If there was just something in Pulev's arsenal that could possibly make Wladimir fight with more trepidation than he normally does, you would like his chances better. But I can't find it. And if that weren't enough, we have no clue how Pulev is going to react when Wladimir lands something big on him? Will he strike back like a wounded animal and perhaps make Klitschko pull up…or will he go into survival mode and fight just to go the distance and not to win? This is a strategy past challengers of Wladimir have adopted.

Pulev, like Klitschko is a slow starter. And that may be Pulev’s window of opportunity. Everyone knows that Wladimir comes out and surveys his opponents for the opening two minutes of the first round. Then during the last minute he starts to let his jab go and feigns aggression. This is a ploy in order for him to read how they're going to react if he ups the pace. If he senses his opponent is fighting from a defensive mindset and is there only to strike if and when he makes a mistake, then Wladimir will fight just hard enough to keep them concerned with what he's doing and they end up watching him for 12-rounds, or they get suckered and stopped because they grew complacent that he was willing to win every round by throwing a few jabs and one big right hand per round.

In order to win, Pulev has to make Klitschko uncomfortable from the onset. He can't win the battle of jabs, and he can't beat Wladimir by waiting and reacting, because Wladimir will be mindful not to give him anything out of the ordinary to react to. So what Pulev has to do is come out for the first minute and appear to be content to fight in a measured way, and then try to sucker Wladimir with something big. The only way Pulev's power is a factor in the fight is if he delivers it first. He must send the message, and as early as possible, that he's every bit as big and dangerous as Klitschko. If he can convey that to Wladimir early, there is a likely chance that Klitschko will fight more as the prey than the predator. Sure, it's a risky road to go down. But the goal is to win the fight. Why not seize on the only true advantage that you have? Everyone knows Wladimir, as skilled and formidable as he looks in the ring, his first order of business is not getting caught with anything big.

Catching Wladimir with something big, and as early as possible, is, as I see it, the only way in which the underdog can win on Saturday.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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-Kid Blast :

Pulev is a dangerous opponent for Klit. The most dangerous in quite some time and that makes him doubly dangerous because Wlad may be underestimating him. Pulev does not have one-punch KO power but few are better than breaking a man down.


-deepwater2 :

Pulev is a dangerous opponent for Klit. The most dangerous in quite some time and that makes him doubly dangerous because Wlad may be underestimating him. Pulev does not have one-punch KO power but few are better than breaking a man down.
Pulev has a real good chance to win. He has better boxing skills than Klit.he has a better jab and he is good on the inside. if the Ref does his job and doesn't let Klit clinch,hold, and lay on the man,I think Pulev has what it takes to win the fight. Klit doesn't have the best chin so if it can be tested we have a good fight on our hands.


-Gabrielito :

Frank nailed it , Pulev is open and available. He keeps his head cocked upward and his hands wide apart. This will be yet another slow, painful execution of an overmatched challenger.


-The Commish :

Pulev has a real good chance to win. He has better boxing skills than Klit.he has a better jab and he is good on the inside. if the Ref does his job and doesn't let Klit clinch,hold, and lay on the man,I think Pulev has what it takes to win the fight. Klit doesn't have the best chin so if it can be tested we have a good fight on our hands.
The ref is a key in this fight. Klitschko hates to fight on the inside. So, he holds. And holds. And holds. Against Alexander Povetkin, Klitschko INITIATED 171 clinches in the 12 slow-paced rounds of that fight. It's time some ref stepped up and warns hiom from the get-go, then acts on that warning if Klitschko continues to maul and hold. For crying out loud--he's 6'7" and nearly 250 pounds with dynamite power in both fists. I wish he'd let his hands go. But I guess, with the knowledge that he has a chin which is not known to be the sturdiest in the division, he must employ every method to keep the leather away. So, he has become Wladimir Klinchko. I certainly hope the referee will contain that! If not, it's another slow-paced, ho-hum Klitschko victory. Bring on Shannon Briggs! -Randy G.


-Kid Blast :


Give me a break on Briggs. There are a lot of other guys out there who deserve it first. Briggs has been visiting morgues and hospitals for opponents He is a disgrace and has no shame. Just because he hails from Brooklyn, he gets undue hype. How about Wilder, Stiverne, Fury, Chisora, Ruiz? Beat one of those guys and I'll listen up. Otherwise, I have two words for Briggs--"get lost" :mad:
->http://www.thesweetscience.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.png


-Radam G :

The ref is a key in this fight. Klitschko hates to fight on the inside. So, he holds. And holds. And holds. Against Alexander Povetkin, Klitschko INITIATED 171 clinches in the 12 slow-paced rounds of that fight. It's time some ref stepped up and warns hiom from the get-go, then acts on that warning if Klitschko continues to maul and hold. For crying out loud--he's 6'7" and nearly 250 pounds with dynamite power in both fists. I wish he'd let his hands go. But I guess, with the knowledge that he has a chin which is not known to be the sturdiest in the division, he must employ every method to keep the leather away. So, he has become Wladimir Klinchko. I certainly hope the referee will contain that! If not, it's another slow-paced, ho-hum Klitschko victory. Bring on Shannon Briggs! -Randy G.
C'mon, Commish! Doc Wlad is a clincher, not a holder. The referee cannot and should not distract from any beauty of the game. That would be lame. And a big shame. What ever happened to the art and science of stopping an adversary from clinching or holding you? Just as there are defenses against punches, those are defenses against the other arts, sciences and fouls of the game -- especially against clinching and holding and butting. So much of the game is being lost. And the blame lies on the coaches/trainers/teachers in the gyms, not the refs or any other offical. The ref clearly tells the combatants to protect yourself at all time. And to fight. You can fight off or out of a clinch if you know the art and science of pugilism at its best. Holla!


-The Shadow :

C'mon, Commish! Doc Wlad is a clincher, not a holder. The referee cannot and should not distract from any beauty of the game. That would be lame. And a big shame. What ever happened to the art and science of stopping an adversary from clinching or holding you? Just as there are defenses against punches, those are defenses against the other arts, sciences and fouls of the game -- especially against clinching and holding and butting. So much of the game is being lost. And the blame lies on the coaches/trainers/teachers in the gyms, not the refs or any other offical. The ref clearly tells the combatants to protect yourself at all time. And to fight. You can fight off or out of a clinch if you know the art and science of pugilism at its best. Holla!
You actually bring forth a good point. Just like tons of opponents complain about Floyd Mayweather's forearms/elbows, there is defense against that, too. I saw one guy -- crap, I forgot who it was -- who tried the same tactic on Mayweather when he was pinned on the ropes. I think it was DeMarcus Corley, actually. He placed the forearm in his face on the inside but Mayweather, of course, knew the move well, as well as the preemptive defensive measure to combat this tactic. With clinching, few have figured out how to nullify Bernard Hopkins' spoiling tactics on the inside. Sergey Kovalev showed how to do it -- time him coming in, NAIL that alien noggin' with hard shots and DISCOURAGE any attempts to move into the territory where he is king. And if he does make it through the incoming fire, make sure he pays the price when there. With Wladimir Klinschko -- or "Volod," as Bernie calls him -- you must find a way to discourage his clinching. I don't know quite how but then again I'm not the guy who has to deal with it. Some guys wrestle free, others punch their way out. Naseem Hamed bodyslammed a guy who got too fresh with the clinch, hold and lean. Either way, there is always a way. If he wants to be the real heavyweight champion of the world, it's up to Kobra Pulev to find that way.


-Radam G :

You actually bring forth a good point. Just like tons of opponents complain about Floyd Mayweather's forearms/elbows, there is defense against that, too. I saw one guy -- crap, I forgot who it was -- who tried the same tactic on Mayweather when he was pinned on the ropes. I think it was DeMarcus Corley, actually. He placed the forearm in his face on the inside but Mayweather, of course, knew the move well, as well as the preemptive defensive measure to combat this tactic. With clinching, few have figured out how to nullify Bernard Hopkins' spoiling tactics on the inside. Sergey Kovalev showed how to do it -- time him coming in, NAIL that alien noggin' with hard shots and DISCOURAGE any attempts to move into the territory where he is king. And if he does make it through the incoming fire, make sure he pays the price when there. With Wladimir Klinschko -- or "Volod," as Bernie calls him -- you must find a way to discourage his clinching. I don't know quite how but then again I'm not the guy who has to deal with it. Some guys wrestle free, others punch their way out. Naseem Hamed bodyslammed a guy who got too fresh with the clinch, hold and lean. Either way, there is always a way. If he wants to be the real heavyweight champion of the world, it's up to Kobra Pulev to find that way.
You neutralize clinching with what some oldtimers called "worm wiggling"," spider punching and/or centipede shocking. ($-Ko was doing the Centipede Shocking.) I syet you not. The old timers "learnt syet" from nature, animals, insects and human entrepreneurs, and the oldtimers used the names of OF ALL THE ABOVE to describe varies maneuvers in whup-@$$, old-skooled boksing. But the only thing you hear nowadays every once in a great, great while is the "Philly shell," aka Philly Crab" and "shoeshine!" I read the game nowadays and I'm shocked that these New Jack coaches and trainers never use Boksing phraseology of describing the science and the art and the poetry of boxing. Oh how I wish the late, great GBG Manny Steward. He was going to holla the whole nine of this and that about boxing and how the phraseology, slanguage and terminology are being lost. Just so that you will know, TS, Rebbie Jackson's song "Centipede"
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8SdzwoIcwo was inspired by her Poppa Joe telling about the "Centipede shocking" move in boxing. As I've written in the past, the pops of the famed Jackson Family crooners, was one heckuva pug. His sons' footwork in singing came directly from boksing moves of his, the late, greats James Brown, Joe Tex, "Sky" Jay Walker, Bojangles and Fred Astaire, to name a few boxers who later became great dancers. A lot of nowadays entertainment and pop culture came straight from boxing. Holla!


-rdv_27 :

You neutralize clinching with what some oldtimers called "worm wiggling"," spider punching and/or centipede shocking. ($-Ko was doing the Centipede Shocking.) I syet you not. The old timers "learnt syet" from nature, animals, insects and human entrepreneurs, and the oldtimers used the names of OF ALL THE ABOVE to describe varies maneuvers in whup-@$$, old-skooled boksing. But the only thing you hear nowadays every once in a great, great while is the "Philly shell," aka Philly Crab" and "shoeshine!" I read the game nowadays and I'm shocked that these New Jack coaches and trainers never use Boksing phraseology of describing the science and the art and the poetry of boxing. Oh how I wish the late, great GBG Manny Steward. He was going to holla the whole nine of this and that about boxing and how the phraseology, slanguage and terminology are being lost. Just so that you will know, TS, Rebbie Jackson's song "Centipede"
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8SdzwoIcwo was inspired by her Poppa Joe telling about the "Centipede shocking" move in boxing. As I've written in the past, the pops of the famed Jackson Family crooners, was one heckuva pug. His sons' footwork in singing came directly from boksing moves of his, the late, greats James Brown, Joe Tex, "Sky" Jay Walker, Bojangles and Fred Astaire, to name a few boxers who later became great dancers.
A lot of nowadays entertainment and pop culture came straight from boxing. Holla!
I hear ya! I've read a lot of stuff which has lead me to believe that jazz musicians came up with a lot/most of the slang that made it's way to the mainstream although I hadn't really heard about boxers, but those guys probably rolled together. I've read Miles Davis used to box, Robert "Kool" Bell's dad and/or uncle, pianist Red Garland, and a whole lotta other guys.


-deepwater2 :

I hear ya! I've read a lot of stuff which has lead me to believe that jazz musicians came up with a lot/most of the slang that made it's way to the mainstream although I hadn't really heard about boxers, but those guys probably rolled together. I've read Miles Davis used to box, Robert "Kool" Bell's dad and/or uncle, pianist Red Garland, and a whole lotta other guys.

->http://www.rockpaperphoto.com/miles-davis-gleason-s-gym-bronx-ny-1969 Miles Davis liked to work out every day. Photographer Baron Wolman did not. Davis used to joke with him at photo shoots. ?Barry, man, you?re out of shape,? Miles Davis said in his husky voice. ?You gotta come to the gym and work off that flab with me.? Davis said that he liked to box because it helped with his anger. Here in October 1969 he brought Wolman to Gleason?s Gym in the Bronx. ?If you listen to my music you?ll hear me boxing,? Miles told Wolman during their workout. ?I play the trumpet the way I box. You can hear me uppercut and jab throughout the song.?


-Radam G :

Here my list of the greatest pugs, who break up clinching with the science and art of the game, in the last 50 years: 1. The "Drunken Master" Emmanuel Augustus used all the "Worm Wiggling," "Spider Punching," and the "Centipede Shocking" to get you from clinching or holding him. BEWARE AWARE: There is vulgar language in this clip;
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvkRpykP6mQ 2. Aaron "Hawk Time" Pryor
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3VL2RX5fP4 3.$onny "Night Train" Liston
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIIx9h7yhaw 4. The Young "Big" George Foreman
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL7KnkWWXbQ 5. Matt Saad Muhammad
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsO8GX6ERec Holla!


-rdv_27 :


->http://www.rockpaperphoto.com/miles-davis-gleason-s-gym-bronx-ny-1969 Miles Davis liked to work out every day. Photographer Baron Wolman did not. Davis used to joke with him at photo shoots. ?Barry, man, you?re out of shape,? Miles Davis said in his husky voice. ?You gotta come to the gym and work off that flab with me.? Davis said that he liked to box because it helped with his anger. Here in October 1969 he brought Wolman to Gleason?s Gym in the Bronx. ?If you listen to my music you?ll hear me boxing,? Miles told Wolman during their workout. ?I play the trumpet the way I box. You can hear me uppercut and jab throughout the song.?
Very interesting quote. Can't say I really understand it though lol, maybe jabbing is like probing, musical motion,carrying the tune/melody and uppercutting is like blowin' a solo? His Jack Johnson album is the one that got me into his stuff and consequently jazz,funk etc. But also boxing, hence why I sorta popped in here during the JJ stuff, I was like " The time is right" haha.


-Radam G :


->http://www.rockpaperphoto.com/miles-davis-gleason-s-gym-bronx-ny-1969 Miles Davis liked to work out every day. Photographer Baron Wolman did not. Davis used to joke with him at photo shoots. “Barry, man, you’re out of shape,” Miles Davis said in his husky voice. “You gotta come to the gym and work off that flab with me.” Davis said that he liked to box because it helped with his anger. Here in October 1969 he brought Wolman to Gleason’s Gym in the Bronx. “If you listen to my music you’ll hear me boxing,” Miles told Wolman during their workout. “I play the trumpet the way I box. You can hear me uppercut and jab throughout the song.”
You hit it, D2. Our sport has produced a ton of geniuses in all of society, but we are stereotyped too many times as punch drunk and idiots. After our boxing days are long over -- and 98.5 percent of us are not damaged good and fitting that stereo -- people find us hard to believe. But the most referred to saying in English academia -- "It doesn't take a rocket scientist" -- is from the mouth of a boxer who became that rocket scientist. Holla!


-rdv_27 :

Just noticed on the boxing/jazz comparison, isn't an uppercut one of the most risky punches to throw? provided the positioning and timing is off I guess. Playing a solo is risky in that way too, where if certain conditions aren't there it might not take off, imo. Sorry for bogging the thread down with music/boxing stuff guys... I just remembered there's a random topics section.


-Radam G :

Just noticed on the boxing/jazz comparison, isn't an uppercut one of the most risky punches to throw? provided the positioning and timing is off I guess. Playing a solo is risky in that way too, where if certain conditions aren't there it might not take off, imo. Sorry for bogging the thread down with music/boxing stuff guys... I just remembered there's a random topics section.
You have definitely not bogged this Thread with music/boxing. Music is as much a part of boxing as cornermen are nowadays. In coming to the ring, each pug's selected song is being played. And before the scrap starts, the national song of both pugs is played. A lot of songs are played between rounds for the ring girls to shake their arses to. One of the major promoters of the game is an awarding winning music artist. The top P4P pug is a fringe rapper. The number two is an awarding winning music artist. Way, way back in the day, the world heavyweight title king had his own musical band or was a recording star who did well. Welcome aboard, rdv_27. Our Universe brain power just keep increasing. Holla!


-Pazuzu :

Very interesting quote. Can't say I really understand it though lol, maybe jabbing is like probing, musical motion,carrying the tune/melody and uppercutting is like blowin' a solo? His Jack Johnson album is the one that got me into his stuff and consequently jazz,funk etc. But also boxing, hence why I sorta popped in here during the JJ stuff, I was like " The time is right" haha.
For the ultimate expression of Miles and the Sweet Science, check out Davis's score to the Jack Johnson documentary:
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuq9GKJDBk Listen to the album and the quote will make sense. It's all in there. Welcome to the site, rdv_27, and enjoy!


-The Commish :

C'mon, Commish! Doc Wlad is a clincher, not a holder. The referee cannot and should not distract from any beauty of the game. That would be lame. And a big shame. What ever happened to the art and science of stopping an adversary from clinching or holding you? Just as there are defenses against punches, those are defenses against the other arts, sciences and fouls of the game -- especially against clinching and holding and butting. So much of the game is being lost. And the blame lies on the coaches/trainers/teachers in the gyms, not the refs or any other offical. The ref clearly tells the combatants to protect yourself at all time. And to fight. You can fight off or out of a clinch if you know the art and science of pugilism at its best. Holla!
You are so right about clinching being an art, as is body punching and so many of the nuances of boxing. But I don't care what you call it--clinching, holding, locking-up, tying up--KLINCHKO did it 171 times against Alexander Povetkin. And those are the ones KLINCHKO initiated. That wasn't art. There was nothing artistic about that. The Manly Art? There was nothing manly about 171 clinches. Call it whatever you want. KLINCHKO hugged Povetkin so much throughout the fight that I was surprised they didn't start to passionately kiss one another along the way. The ref should have most definitely been more vocal and pro-active with KLINCHKO right from the get-go. Hopefully, the ref in the KLINCHKO-Pulev title bout will tolerate only so much clinching, grabbing, mauling and hugging from the four-belt heavyweight king. -Randy G.


-Radam G :

For the ultimate expression of Miles and the Sweet Science, check out Davis's score to the Jack Johnson documentary:
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuq9GKJDBk Listen to the album and the quote will make sense. It's all in there. Welcome to the site, rdv_27, and enjoy!
Wow! We got a classy, brainy grew here.
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDiIRXxyWNc. Holla!


-Pazuzu :

Not to detract from the jazz discussion, because it's I love it, but this is a very good analysis of tomorrow's match-up. You can compare Klitschko and Pulev in their fights respective fights against Tony Thompson, here (
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9aHVkbuAms)(Pulev), and here (
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ux-qRrJtcs)(Klitschko). Pulev is like the fighter they made with the scraps left over after they made Klitschko. Same style, just not as effective, shorter reach, slower feet, less head and torso movement. Watching this fight is going to be like watching Wladimir Klitschko beat up his own Mini-Me.


-The Commish :

Not to detract from the jazz discussion, because it's I love it, but this is a very good analysis of tomorrow's match-up. You can compare Klitschko and Pulev in their fights respective fights against Tony Thompson, here (
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9aHVkbuAms)(Pulev), and here (
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ux-qRrJtcs)(Klitschko). Pulev is like the fighter they made with the scraps left over after they made Klitschko. Same style, just not as effective, shorter reach, slower feet, less head and torso movement. Watching this fight is going to be like watching Wladimir Klitschko beat up his own Mini-Me.
And so, I guess it's safe to say that Pulev has the proverbial two chances to win: Slim and None--and Slim just rode out of town. Like it or not, guys, I can hear Shannon Briggs' war cry of LET'S GO, CHAMP! getting even closer to the next shot at -Randy G.


-Radam G :

You are so right about clinching being an art, as is body punching and so many of the nuances of boxing. But I don't care what you call it--clinching, holding, locking-up, tying up--KLINCHKO did it 171 times against Alexander Povetkin. And those are the ones KLINCHKO initiated. That wasn't art. There was nothing artistic about that. The Manly Art? There was nothing manly about 171 clinches. Call it whatever you want. KLINCHKO hugged Povetkin so much throughout the fight that I was surprised they didn't start to passionately kiss one another along the way. The ref should have most definitely been more vocal and pro-active with KLINCHKO right from the get-go. Hopefully, the ref in the KLINCHKO-Pulev title bout will tolerate only so much clinching, grabbing, mauling and hugging from the four-belt heavyweight king. -Randy G.
Sorry, Commish, but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And excessive cinching isn't illegal anymore than excessively going upside a person's noggin or straight to the bread basket with the same types of shots. The ref cannot and should not have any business in deciding how a pug should fight. The ref cannot decide how much or how little that a pug can dance or swing. So his arse needs to get on down the road with hating clinching. I don't appreciate your homie C-Al dancing -- some people say running -- all over that squared jungle, but who am to bytch about it. That is that man's cup of tea and comes with the game's territory. More power to him until he turns into a frozen-stagnated deer in front of Da Manny's oncoming headlighted missiles and nukes. And get _____ ______ _______! C'mon, Commish! Don't be playa' hatin' a legal tactic. Holla!


-Kid Blast :

In Hamburg, the referee will leave Klit alone


-The Commish :

Sorry, Commish, but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. And excessive cinching isn't illegal anymore than excessively going upside a person's noggin or straight to the bread basket with the same types of shots. The ref cannot and should not have any business in deciding how a pug should fight. The ref cannot decide how much or how little that a pug can dance or swing. So his arse needs to get on down the road with hating clinching. I don't appreciate your homie C-Al dancing -- some people say running -- all over that squared jungle, but who am to bytch about it. That is that man's cup of tea and comes with the game's territory. More power to him until he turns into a frozen-stagnated deer in front of Da Manny's oncoming highlighted missiles and nukes. And get _____ ______ _______! C'mon, Commish! Don't be playa' hatin' a legal tactic. Holla!
Stop! Just stop! Klinchko doesn't just excessively clinch. He he can't box beautifully, he fights ugly. He pushes his shorter opponents down. He leans on them, putting his 240+ pounds on their back as he pushes down. He wraps an arm--like a powerful anaconda--around the neck. Allow him to box. Allow him to slug. But stop him from doing whatever he wants because he's the longtime reigning, four-belt heavyweight champion. Clinching is not illegal. But Klinchko does it excessively, and you know it. The operative word here is EXCESSIVELY. He is far too talented to have to resort to doing that. I hope Wladimir Klitswchko gives us a performance worthy of a World Heavyweight Champion, not another WUD 12 where he jabbed and excessively clinched his way to victory. -Randy G.


-Radam G :

Stop! Just stop! Klinchko doesn't just excessively clinch. He he can't box beautifully, he fights ugly. He pushes his shorter opponents down. He leans on them, putting his 240+ pounds on their back as he pushes down. He wraps an arm--like a powerful anaconda--around the neck. Allow him to box. Allow him to slug. But stop him from doing whatever he wants because he's the longtime reigning, four-belt heavyweight champion. Clinching is not illegal. But Klinchko does it excessively, and you know it. The operative word here is EXCESSIVELY. He is far too talented to have to resort to doing that. I hope Wladimir Klitswchko gives us a performance worthy of a World Heavyweight Champion, not another WUD 12 where he jabbed and excessively clinched his way to victory. -Randy G.
C'mon, Commish! "EXCESSIVELY" fair play is beautiful. From film, I can holla about GOAT Ali clinching Leon "Neon" Spinks in Bout II. And the GOAT Ali grabbed Leon behind the neck 125 times and clinched him 277 times. But you love you some GOAT Ali and didn't ever Klinchko criticize him. I'm hollering at tons of videos of you being a talking head. Changing the subject: I hope for your homeboy's sake that you develop amnesia about excessively clinching. Because C-Al stands no chance of lasting four round if he doesn't apply it. He will be sleeping in one or two rounds otherwise. Holla!


-rdv_27 :

For the ultimate expression of Miles and the Sweet Science, check out Davis's score to the Jack Johnson documentary:
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZuq9GKJDBk Listen to the album and the quote will make sense. It's all in there. Welcome to the site, rdv_27, and enjoy!
That album's great, the whole band is groovin' and funkin!! I've listened to it a few times before but I'll listen to it one of these days with the quote in mind. Thanks I'm glad to be in the mix, I've got to study some boxing now, I'm like an undistinguished amateur among pros here haha.


-rdv_27 :

Thanks! They definitely intertwine a lot. It's great being here on this forum!


-The Commish :

Excessive holding IS illegal, and it's illegal in every state rulebook I have ever seen (I will admit I haven't read a state rulebook since the mid-1990's). However, at that time, as I was re-writing the New York State rulebook, using the rulebooks of Nevada, California, New Jersey, Florida, Illinois and Arizona as guidelines, I remember a rule about "Holding and Excessive Holding." Excessive Holding IS, as you point out, in the eyes of the beholder. What one referee sees as excessive, another referee may not view as anything near excessive. The referee who feels that way--and there are many--will step in and warn the fighter initiating the "excessive holding." He may warn him twice. On the third warning, he will call time and deduct a point. The referee who doesn't feel that the holding is excessive may just move in close and command the fighters to "Stop!", "Break!" or "Work out of it!" He will not issue a warning and will not deduct any points. Luis Pabon, who worked the Klitschko-Povetkin fight, elected to do nothing about Wlad's EXCESSIVE holding, pushing, mauling, grabbing and octopus tactics. Another referee may have. Yes, Muhammad Ali did much of the same. In his second fight against Joe Frazier, ref Tony Perez allowed Ali to clinch, grab and hold so much that Frazier steadfastly insisted that he would accept no referee who would tolerate the holding tactics of Ali. Frazier insisted he wanted no part of Perez in that ring. For the Thrilla' in Manila," the duo's third meeting, Carlos Padilla was assigned and did a fantastic job. Can you imagine what that fight would have turned into, had Perez--or another ref who would tolerate the holding--been assigned to work the fight. Hmm. Maybe 'ol man Padilla will be assigned to work the Klitschko-Pulev fight! I only wish it could be true. Let's see if today, the heavyweight champ is Wladimir KlitschKO or Wladimir KLINCHKO. Which one shows up? Which one will the referee force him to be? -Randy G.


-Radam G :

Holding period is illegal, but not clinching. Houston! There seems to be a prob with communication! Hills!


-The Commish :

Holding period is illegal, but not clinching. Houston! There seems to be a prob with communication! Hills!
Let's just watch the fight and see what the king of heavies does against his unbeaten challenger. Will he fight like a champ or a chump. Will he represent what a real heavyweight champion is or will he fight like a frightened schoolboy? Will he clinch now and then or will he hug in-between some hard punches? We'll know in a few hours. -Randy G.


-Froggy :

I, personally think Klitschko is great heavyweight ! But he is more cautious than he is Cassius !