Espinoza on Mayweather-Pacquiao Negotiations, Arum Reacts

StephenEspinoza

If you are not on Twitter, and are a boxing fan, or are involved in the sport really in any manner beyond being a casual follower, then I recommend you get on Twitter.

Stuff happens on Twitter, feuds coalesce, deals get formed, tomfoolery and shenanigans ensue, hilarity and chagrin are on display…

Such as when five days ago, Showtime boxing boss Stephen Espinoza, one of the most candid LCs in the Twittersphere, among suits, Tweeted, in reference to Floyd Mayweather being the reason a Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight hasn’t been made:

“Stop. Offered him $40M plus big upside and he passed. He doesn't want it.”

Espinoza followed up with this Tweet, in response to MY Tweet, which contained a nugget from Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who spoke of Floyd being the impediment to a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight on a Tuesday confernce call to hype his Nov. 22 Pacquiao-Chris Algieri card in Macau:

“Apparently Bob doesn't even know who the A-side is. “@Woodsy1069: Arum talks Pacquiao-Mayweather, says he wants it, manny wants.”

(NOTE TO THE UNINFORMED: The @, followed by a name, denotes the name, the identity, of the person or entity, Tweeting.)

I responded, in Libra fashion, seeking a mediation which all parties would find palatable, and would benefit the masses as well as the monied classes.

“@Woodsy1069: How bout we call both As, and get er made!??”

Espinoza countered:

@StephenEspinoza Bob hasn't moved an inch in 3 months. He's not negotiating. “@Woodsy1069: @StephenEspinoza how bout we call both As, and get er made!??”

OUCH. Solid flurry there. Now this sort of become a tag match..or would have, maybe, if the world was fair and right, and Arum ran his own Twitter account, and was active on it, because then maybe it would have gotten nuclear…and entertaining…and maybe even useful, in that it might've helped move this kerfuffle out of kerfuffle stage, to where inroads could be made in making the no-brainer SUPERFIGHT a reality.

But Arum isn’t a Twitter devotee, like some of us shameless addicts. So, I reached out to the most successful boxing promoter in the history of the sport to get his response to the Espinoza flurry. And here is the Arum response:

A Top Rank flack asked Arum for his thoughts on the matter and told me, “Bob said this is not true, that Espinoza is not involved in negotiating for this.”

So there we stand, friends. Stay tuned to TheSweetScience.com for continuing updates, and get on the Twitter to stay that much more informed, amused and occasionally appalled. It’s better than watching the Kardashians, that I can promise you…

Follow Woods on Twitter, win prizes, higher blood pressure or heightened disdain for self righteous posturing, off random rants about politricks.. https://twitter.com/Woodsy1069

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COMMENTS

-leon30001 :

I am sure Espinoza can be trusted to provide an impartial view on this matter.


-The Commish :

I am sure Espinoza can be trusted to provide an impartial view on this matter.
I tend to believe Espinoza here, as I am sure if Arum really wanted the fight to happen, it would have, a long time ago. But there are instances I think Floyd Mayweather is to blame (Did he really ask Manny Pacquiao to leave Arum in order for the fight to be made? If so, that's unreasonable!). Has Pacquiao been unreasonable in his breakdown of which fighter gets the larger percentage and, if so, by how much? Just when I think I know, I realize I really don't know. Do you believe Arum or do you believe Espinoza? Do you believe Mayweather or do you believe Pacquiao? There is just way too much money involved for this fight not to have taken place at LEAST three times already. Somehow, I have to feel much of it revolves around Mayweather, wanting desperately to hold onto that "0" on the right side of his ledger. I think if Pacquiao beats Algieri on the 22nd, but looks beatable himself, Mayweather will make moves to close the deal. But if Pacquiao annihilates Algieri over the course of five or six rounds, breaking him down with a non-stop, on-target arsenal, and with a leather-proof defense and movement like the 2004 Manny Pacquiao, we will have as much chance of seeing Mayweather accept a fight against Pacquiao as we do of seeing Bob Arum's Top Rank starting to promote MMA on a bigger scale than the UFC. It's all up to how Manny Pacquiao looks against Chris Algieri on the 22nd. When that fight is over, we'll know for sure whether we will ever see Pac-Man v $$$May. -Randy G.


-Froggy :

[QUOTE=The Commish;69228]I tend to believe Espinoza here, as I am sure if Arum really wanted the fight to happen, it would have, a long time ago. But there are instances I think Floyd Mayweather is to blame (Did he really ask Manny Pacquiao to leave Arum in order for the fight to be made? If so, that's unreasonable!). Has Pacquiao been unreasonable in his breakdown of which fighter gets the larger percentage and, if so, by how much? Just when I think I know, I realize I really don't know. Do you believe Arum or do you believe Espinoza? Do you believe Mayweather or do you believe Pacquiao? There is just way too much money involved for this fight not to have taken place at LEAST three times already. Somehow, I have to feel much of it revolves around Mayweather, wanting desperately to hold onto that "0" on the right side of his ledger. I think if Pacquiao beats Algieri on the 22nd, but looks beatable himself, Mayweather will make moves to close the deal. But if Pacquiao annihilates Algieri over the course of five or six rounds, breaking him down with a non-stop, on-target arsenal, and with a leather-proof defense and movement like the 2004 Manny Pacquiao, we will have as much chance of seeing Mayweather accept a fight against Pacquiao as we do of seeing Bob Arum's Top Rank starting to promote MMA on a bigger scale than the UFC. It's all up to how Manny Pacquiao looks against Chris Algieri on the 22nd. When that fight is over, we'll know for sure whether we will ever see Pac-Man v $$$May. -Randy G. What about the third option, if your man wins ?


-Radam G :

Money May is not going to dance with Da Manny, PERIOD! Da Manny is going to destroy C-Al, but it ain't gonna matter. Forget da chitchatter. It is always mind over matter. And Money May has made up his mind about Da Manny after sparring with a few left-handed Pinoy pugs back in 08. Money May didn't do too great. His shoulder roll is a setting duck to the Pinoy southpaw Whuppa' whop. Money May would rather go and shop. He's easy to lick. And being so cocksure, he is even easier to trick. Holla!


-Carmine Cas :

Both sides are to blame, you can't trust what Bob Arum says and Floyd isn't honest either.


-The Shadow :

I tend to believe Espinoza here, as I am sure if Arum really wanted the fight to happen, it would have, a long time ago. But there are instances I think Floyd Mayweather is to blame (Did he really ask Manny Pacquiao to leave Arum in order for the fight to be made? If so, that's unreasonable!). Has Pacquiao been unreasonable in his breakdown of which fighter gets the larger percentage and, if so, by how much? Just when I think I know, I realize I really don't know. Do you believe Arum or do you believe Espinoza? Do you believe Mayweather or do you believe Pacquiao? There is just way too much money involved for this fight not to have taken place at LEAST three times already. Somehow, I have to feel much of it revolves around Mayweather, wanting desperately to hold onto that "0" on the right side of his ledger. I think if Pacquiao beats Algieri on the 22nd, but looks beatable himself, Mayweather will make moves to close the deal. But if Pacquiao annihilates Algieri over the course of five or six rounds, breaking him down with a non-stop, on-target arsenal, and with a leather-proof defense and movement like the 2004 Manny Pacquiao, we will have as much chance of seeing Mayweather accept a fight against Pacquiao as we do of seeing Bob Arum's Top Rank starting to promote MMA on a bigger scale than the UFC. It's all up to how Manny Pacquiao looks against Chris Algieri on the 22nd. When that fight is over, we'll know for sure whether we will ever see Pac-Man v $$$May. -Randy G.
Commish, he's looked beatable/vulnerable since 2011 when he struggled with a perceived-to-be washed up Marquez going up two weight classes. So that's not going to make a difference. I'm telling you, he doesn't think Pacquiao will give take that "0." Has nothing to do with it. He didn't like the version of Pacquiao that fought Cotto, hence why he asked for drug testing and got suspicious when it was rejected. And Radam, Floyd doesn't really fight behind the shoulder against southpaws. You know that. That defensive maneuver is well-equipped to defend the trajectory of a right cross, not a southpaw left hand. And the shoulder roll is only a fraction of his defensive arsenal. His high guard is just as good. His slipping is just as good. And so on. You've even explained this yourself. No KABOOM happening there. Only shot Pacquiao has is beating him on activity. There's no chance in hell a guy who hasn't had a knockout in six years knocks out the best defensive fighter in history. Let's be honest here. His only chance would be to win a close decision on activity.


-Radam G :

Commish, he's looked beatable/vulnerable since 2011 when he struggled with a perceived-to-be washed up Marquez going up two weight classes. I'm telling you, he doesn't think Pacquiao will give take that "0." And Radam, Floyd doesn't really fight behind the shoulder against southpaws. You know that.
About 90 percent he doesn't. But against southpaw, he has an unforgiving habit of prancing with shoulder rolling and bending to the right, head-drop folding and two-step strolling. This is a long-enduring flaw going back to his day in amateur pee wees. You don't beat him because of his mistakes; you beat by his flaws and uncontrollable habits. [This is what Hulkquez did in stepping on Da Manny's foot, and knocking him da double fudge out.] Money May's habits -- bad and good -- are set in stone. And that is why he will leave certain types of fighters alone. It is no sham e. It is part of the game. You don't push where there will be an ambush. And the truth is the truth. But you move on with duckin.' It is all right and financially smart to keep on truckin.'
->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq9M_-Mxuzo The great ones ain't trying to hear pundits, fans, haters and no darn body else who aren't about the bottom line -- getting da big dough the safest way. This is all of the greats -- including Money May. Holla!


-King Beef :

Both sides are to blame, you can't trust what Bob Arum says and Floyd isn't honest either.
Gotta agree with you all the way with this 1 CC! This is beating a dead horse to the fullest.