Golovkin Trainer Says Cotto, Canelo and Ward All Go Down By the 10th
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Abel-Sanchez

Abel Sanchez trains Gennady Golovkin and by all accounts, has done a marvelous job. The Cali-based tutor has a track record, he helped refine the immense talents of “Terrible” Terry Norris, so it goes as no surprise.

What might surprise some, I guess, is the role Sanchez takes on as the s— talker. Yep, he can sling it, bring it, drop the hammer down on ducking foes and the like.

Makes sense, actually, some times things need stirring up, to get people and situations stuck in a place of inertia, and Golovkin is the anti-trashtalker. I don't know if the guy would speak a cross word if a waiter presented him with a plate of food, reached up, ripped off a few strands of his hair, topped Gennady's plate with 'em, and said, “Here ya go, champ.”

Gennady is a “good boy,” and really doesn't do trash talk.  But Sanchez, sometimes he's Honest Abe. I spoke to him the other day, after Golovkin's next foe Martin Murray got the W in Monaco, over Domenico Spada, setting up a middleweight showdown with Triple G Feb. 21, on HBO, from Monaco.

“I had a chance to watch a couple rounds of Murray-Spada on YouTube,” the trainer told me. “It was a rough fight, Spada had an awkward style, the stoppage was quick…but it was not a good style matchup. For the Golovkin-Murray fight, I will prepare Triple G as if we are facing the second best fighter in our division, and if Murray can cope with that Triple G, then we are in for a barn burner. But I see knockout number 19, and early! I said this two years ago…NOBODY at 154 to 160 will hear the bell ending the twelfth round. Now, Murray has size, belief in himself, and boxing ability. He has positives and negatives.” Then Sanchez pivoted, set his feet and set down on his punches. “Unfortunately, for us, there are lot of talkers, masquerading and pretending to want to fight. But all those so called stars are just talking and not making legitimate offers. Andre Ward, his management and his attorney are talking but only doing that, talking. It's a smoke screen, only to stay boxing-relevant.”

I told Sanchez I still hoped to hear back from Ward co-promoter Antonio Leonard, who I called last week.

“And then he can call Tom Loeffler (Golovkins' promoter), and Leonard will understand who needs who and how negotiable they will be. I repeat, like I said, “smoke screen,” staying boxing relevant.”

Sanchez was now on a roll, his flurries were fluid and sharp…

“Miguel Cotto doesn't make it out of the fifth round, and he knows it,” the trainer told me. “Canelo doesn't make it out of the eighth round, and his people know it. Andre Ward doesn't make it out of the 10th round, and that's why they lost your digits.”

By the way, I asked a Ward spokesman on Monday if Ward wanted to touch on some of this material but so far, no reply….

“Remember when Ward had Chad Dawson come down to him, and refused to go up to 175 for a rematch,” Sanchez said. “His attorney I recall put out a release saying he would be willing to come down to Triple G, it's a smoke screen. They need to follow up, call Tom Loeffler , maybe they lost his numbers also. When Ward or Leonard call you, please give them Loeffler's number, we need number twenty for sometime in May.”

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DaveB

Both sides are talking crap. Ward is not going down, GGG is not going up. Both are bullsh*ters and that is the truth. Like he said staying boxing relevant but it really isn't. Let's talk about Hopkins. You gotta respect that man.


brownsugar

Agreed... Able Sanchez is full of it. Ward never agreed to fight GGG at 160, it was GGG who said he could beat any man alive between 154 and 175 until his Team put a muzzle on GGG and edited his comments to reset the limit between 154 - 160. GGG is a beast at 160... It remains to be seen how devastating he would be at 168.


thegreyman

@Brownsugar In all honesty I doubt 8 pounds would make that much of a difference to GGG at all. He'd still be the same fighter in my opinion, perhaps a little more comfortable if he doesn't have to shed weight. His chin can take the step up. His power can suffer the step up. Can the division take it?


Carmine Cas

@BSug and thegreyman, didn't team GGG originally say anyone from 154-168 can get it? I know this has been the predicament with Martinez but wasn't calling out 3 divisions. GGG is not a small middlweight, he weighed in at 173 fight night. Compared to Martinez who has come in at the mid 160's fight night. When Ward fought Dawson he weighed 176 fight night to Dawson's 182. GGG fighting at 168 is not unfathomable, it's inevitable. But if he fights Ward at 168 he's going to have a long night.


Carmine Cas

Sanchez looks like he's becoming Roach for Pacquiao, it fits well with GGG. Although GGG did talk a little bit after he stopped Stevens. It'll be interesting and probably entertaining to see Sanchez and Roach go back and forth if they ever fight each other.


brownsugar

@Brownsugar In all honesty I doubt 8 pounds would make that much of a difference to GGG at all. He'd still be the same fighter in my opinion, perhaps a little more comfortable if he doesn't have to shed weight. His chin can take the step up. His power can suffer the step up. Can the division take it?
GGG would be a dangerous proposition for anyone. But the four pounds between featherweight and superbantam weight proved to be a factor for Donaire against Walters. I believe it would also pose a bit more challenge to GGG. But i'm not calling Golovkins willingness or ability to fight at 168 into question. I'm calling Able into question for trying to flip the script by attempting to pressure Ward into dropping down to 160. Ward never made an offer to fight for the middleweight crown. Ward simply responded to GGG and Able after remaining silent for many months while Team Golovkin was busy calling out everyone from Mayweather to Bhop. Once Bhop and Ward said yes....Able said that's OK.... We'll clean out 160 before stepping up. My post is more about Able trying to change perception than it is about anything Golovkin is or isn't doing.


Carmine Cas

GGG would be a dangerous proposition for anyone. But the four pounds between featherweight and superbantam weight proved to be a factor for Donaire against Walters. I believe it would also pose a bit more challenge to GGG. But i'm not calling Golovkins willingness or ability to fight at 168 into question. I'm calling Able into question for trying to flip the script by attempting to pressure Ward into dropping down to 160. Ward never made an offer to fight for the middleweight crown. Ward simply responded to GGG and Able after remaining silent for many months while Team Golovkin was busy calling out everyone from Mayweather to Bhop. Once Bhop and Ward said yes....Able said that's OK.... We'll clean out 160 before stepping up. My post is more about Able trying to change perception than it is about anything Golovkin is or isn't doing.
Good point BSug, it seems then Able changed his tune quickly after they accepted GGG's offer.


brownsugar

Good point BSug, it seems then Able changed his tune quickly after they accepted GGG's offer.
Carmine..... Able is smart for trying to bait Ward into dropping down to middleweight... He just doing what any responsible coach would do....Lol.


thegreyman

GGG would be a dangerous proposition for anyone. But the four pounds between featherweight and superbantam weight proved to be a factor for Donaire against Walters. I believe it would also pose a bit more challenge to GGG. But i'm not calling Golovkins willingness or ability to fight at 168 into question. I'm calling Able into question for trying to flip the script by attempting to pressure Ward into dropping down to 160. Ward never made an offer to fight for the middleweight crown. Ward simply responded to GGG and Able after remaining silent for many months while Team Golovkin was busy calling out everyone from Mayweather to Bhop. Once Bhop and Ward said yes....Able said that's OK.... We'll clean out 160 before stepping up. My post is more about Able trying to change perception than it is about anything Golovkin is or isn't doing.
Able has been saying they want to clean out 160 before moving up or down for good, though I do believe the line was that GGG would move up/down if big fights presented themselves. I assume the plan is to unify 160 before going up, its just that unifying 160 is taking much longer than it might have.


deepwater2

Ward's lawyer took the time to call HBO instead of calling the Gossen company to make a settlement , right after that call, Ward's lawyer should call K2 to talk numbers. Calling HBO gets nothing accomplished. Ward might not have to come down to 160 but he does have to straighten out his legal troubles and have hard negotiations with GGG's people. GGG is only gaining in worldwide popularity while Ward is becoming a memory. Hard negotiations for Ward might mean 50-50 or even less for Ward. GGG has Mexicans wearing shirts that say "I love GGG". That means something. GGG has fought coast to coast in front of packed houses. That means something.If GGG has incredible numbers for the Murray fight that will mean something.If GGG can manage to fight the Cotto/Canelo winner then he will have the negotiating power. Ward has to come to terms. Ward better get to the table and negotiate with his people so he can get to the table and negotiate with GGG's people before he is at the bottom of a 70-30 split.


amayseng

Carmine..... Able is smart for trying to bait Ward into dropping down to middleweight... He just doing what any responsible coach would do....Lol.
It is all part of the game until neither man have anyone left to face and the hype is vast enough for a profitable ppv.. I love both guys and almost dont want to see it happen


stormcentre

Ward would be insane to come off his layoff, drop weight and fight 3G. Abel Sanchez knows this, because his charge (3G) would be taking risks challenging Ward at Ward's natural weight. There is a recent video out there on the InterWeb somewhere, that has Gennady Golovkin saying (in response to a question about him fighting Andre) that Ward is too much for him right now. Read into that what you will. I say, after a good tune up, and at Ward's weight (a weight that Sanchez and Golovkin have said they will easily fight at), Ward gives 3G real issues. 3G has not fought anyone in professional boxing with Ward's skills; let alone without the weight advantage that 3G usually employs at light middleweight. It will be interesting to see - if Andre Ward and Gennady Golovkin do eventually fight - how; A) Ward deals with 3G's power (if it exists in the same quantity up at Ward's weight). B) How Gennady Golovkin deals with Ward's skills and experience. Hopefully, time will tell.


Pazuzu

Ward would be insane to come off his layoff, drop weight and fight 3G. Abel Sanchez knows this, because his charge (3G) would be taking risks challenging Ward at Ward's natural weight. There is a recent video out there on the InterWeb somewhere, that has Gennady Golovkin saying (in response to a question about him fighting Andre) that Ward is too much for him right now. Read into that what you will. I say, after a good tune up, and at Ward's weight (a weight that Sanchez and Golovkin have said they will easily fight at), Ward gives 3G real issues. 3G has not fought anyone in professional boxing with Ward's skills; let alone without the weight advantage that 3G usually employs at light middleweight. It will be interesting to see - if Andre Ward and Gennady Golovkin do eventually fight - how; A) Ward deals with 3G's power (if it exists in the same quantity up at Ward's weight). B) How Gennady Golovkin deals with Ward's skills and experience. Hopefully, time will tell.
Good points, stormcentre. Do you have a link to the Golovkin remarks w/r/t Ward? Ward had been out of action for 9 and 14 months respectively when he faced Dawson and Rodriguez and he manhandled both of them. No sign of ring rust at all. At 32, GGG seems to get better after every fight, and he still needs to clean out the 160 lb division. No need to rush into things with Ward, but they know they'll get there soon enough. Sanchez is playing the long game.


stormcentre

Good points, stormcentre. Do you have a link to the Golovkin remarks w/r/t Ward? Ward had been out of action for 9 and 14 months respectively when he faced Dawson and Rodriguez and he manhandled both of them. No sign of ring rust at all. At 32, GGG seems to get better after every fight, and he still needs to clean out the 160 lb division. No need to rush into things with Ward, but they know they'll get there soon enough. Sanchez is playing the long game.
Sure. Try the 0.45 mark of; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_IPGpBlYs 3G states; "he (Ward) is too much for me right now".


vasja

Sure. Try the 0.45 mark of; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_IPGpBlYs 3G states; "he (Ward) is too much for me right now".
It's nice to see that he is honest. My guess is that he is refetring to the weight differential.


teaser

The show down will come.GGG is going to build his BBB first.Bank account ,Brand and Bargaining power .he's gonna be the draw that apple won't be picked from the tree until it is ripe...


thegreyman

Ward would be insane to come off his layoff, drop weight and fight 3G. Abel Sanchez knows this, because his charge (3G) would be taking risks challenging Ward at Ward's natural weight. There is a recent video out there on the InterWeb somewhere, that has Gennady Golovkin saying (in response to a question about him fighting Andre) that Ward is too much for him right now. Read into that what you will. I say, after a good tune up, and at Ward's weight (a weight that Sanchez and Golovkin have said they will easily fight at), Ward gives 3G real issues. 3G has not fought anyone in professional boxing with Ward's skills; let alone without the weight advantage that 3G usually employs at light middleweight. It will be interesting to see - if Andre Ward and Gennady Golovkin do eventually fight - how; A) Ward deals with 3G's power (if it exists in the same quantity up at Ward's weight). B) How Gennady Golovkin deals with Ward's skills and experience. Hopefully, time will tell.
How long was Sugar Ray's layoff before he came back and beat Hagler at middleweight? If Ward is as good as he likes to think, then coming back without a tune-up shouldn't be that much of a problem.


stormcentre

How long was Sugar Ray's layoff before he came back and beat Hagler at middleweight? If Ward is as good as he likes to think, then coming back without a tune-up shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Yes, but; A) Ward has also had shoulder surgery and his performance against Rodriguez wasn't that flash. B) SRL didn't have a myriad of managerial and legal problems that kept him away - it was his choice. C) Ward's myriad of managerial and legal problems that have kept him away, are still relevant. A win over Gennady Golovkin, for Ward, is viable and means Andre steps right back into the big time and then maybe some. Based on that, it's worth a tune up fight in my opinion.


spit bucket

At 32, GGG seems to get better after every fight, and he still needs to clean out the 160 lb division. No need to rush into things with Ward, but they know they'll get there soon enough. Sanchez is playing the long game.[/QUOTE] How does he clean out the division when Cotto, Chavez, and Quillin refuse to fight? 3G says, "I like fight." The others, not so much... They're avoiding him like he has ebola. GGG is getting very popular and I can't wait 'til he's a PPV fighter because on the basis of shear income one of these guys will come out of hiding for a monster paycheck. Of the three, I hope it's Quillin as he is in his prime and still has something to prove. Chavez and Cotto are already rich. In this era of 'the best duck the best', I hope a meaningful Glolovkin match can be made against a qualified MW.


Radam G

Yes, but; A) Ward has also had shoulder surgery and his performance against Rodriguez wasn't that flash. B) SRL didn't have a myriad of managerial and legal problems that kept him away - it was his choice. C) Ward's myriad of managerial and legal problems that have kept him away, are still relevant. A win over Gennady Golovkin, for Ward, is viable and means Andre steps right back into the big time and then maybe some. Based on that, it's worth a tune up fight in my opinion.
Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager. OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe! Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words. The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets. Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago. Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him? Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs. Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way. NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!


brownsugar

Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager. OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe! Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words. The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets. Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago. Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him? Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs. Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way. NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!
Good comments RG


The Shadow

Ward would be insane to come off his layoff, drop weight and fight 3G. Abel Sanchez knows this, because his charge (3G) would be taking risks challenging Ward at Ward's natural weight. There is a recent video out there on the InterWeb somewhere, that has Gennady Golovkin saying (in response to a question about him fighting Andre) that Ward is too much for him right now. Read into that what you will. I say, after a good tune up, and at Ward's weight (a weight that Sanchez and Golovkin have said they will easily fight at), Ward gives 3G real issues. 3G has not fought anyone in professional boxing with Ward's skills; let alone without the weight advantage that 3G usually employs at light middleweight. It will be interesting to see - if Andre Ward and Gennady Golovkin do eventually fight - how; A) Ward deals with 3G's power (if it exists in the same quantity up at Ward's weight). B) How Gennady Golovkin deals with Ward's skills and experience. Hopefully, time will tell.
Good comment, Storm. I like your scientific dissertations but I'm starting to feel the short posts, too. Kinda like a Vine to a YouTube vid. Btw, how do you link to a specific comment?


Pazuzu

Sure. Try the 0.45 mark of; [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_IPGpBlYs 3G states; "he (Ward) is too much for me right now".
He sure does. Thanks stormcentre. GGG's fists wreck enough havoc in the ring against other middleweights that he doesn't need to talk trash. The results speak for themselves. I like it. He's in a good place right now. No need to push it. 168 will come when it makes sense.


stormcentre

Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager. OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe! Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words. The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets. Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago. Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him? Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs. Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way. NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!
Yes I was aware of his detached retina, but for the most part SRL got to deal with that on/in his break and it had no noticeable impact in the Hagler fight. SRL also got to call many of the shots in the lead up to the Hagler fight, and I suspect that would not be the case if 3G and Ward fought. But, yes good points RG.


stormcentre

Good comment, Storm. I like your scientific dissertations but I'm starting to feel the short posts, too. Kinda like a Vine to a YouTube vid. Btw, how do you link to a specific comment?
What do you mean "link to a specific comment" Shadow?


dino da vinci

What do you mean "link to a specific comment" Shadow?
I want to know what he means by starting to feel the short posts...


stormcentre

I want to know what he means by starting to feel the short posts...
:) I'm telling you man . . . strange things start happening after an alien abduction - whether or not Toney is at the spacecraft's helm and there is a built in buffet table governed by the one and only Jimmy Lennon (what hope does he really have at keeping Toney at bay if Randy G can't). Nulla, none, nil. Keep rocking boxing lovers.


stormcentre

OK, I think you mean, how do you provide the link to a specific post without having to necessarily get to the thread and its page first. OK . . here goes. See the little white hashtag number on the top right of every post, that indicates what numbered post it is for any given thread? This one is #29 Aside from the content, and regardless of the website, most forum software applications are basically the same. The one Dino has chosen is a good one as they're quite reliable, but more importantly user friendly. In order to provide administrative and other house keeping functions thread, thread/post numbers, and user/post numbers must be captured. If you click on the above-mentioned little white hashtag number on the top right of every post . . . you will (stay on the same page, but also) notice that the URL (previously containing the websites’ address and both the forum thread name and thread’s page number) now changes. Now it is now suffixed with a unique user/forum post ID tag - instead of being suffixed with the aforementioned thread’s page number that was tagged to the end of the websites’ address and forum thread name. Suck that URL up into your buffer, and then use it where you like.


stormcentre

Yes I was aware of his detached retina, but for the most part SRL got to deal with that on/in his break and it had no noticeable impact in the Hagler fight. SRL also got to call many of the shots in the lead up to the Hagler fight, and I suspect that would not be the case if 3G and Ward fought. But, yes good points RG.
As an adjunct, (I think) it's important (when considering if a tune up fight prior to a hypothetical 3G fight is warranted) to realise the risks, and also the mindset Ward may be in going into a hypothetical 3G fight, particularly without a tune up fight. A) He knows Goossen Tutor are aware that the last significant thing he did with Dan was, arguably (in GT's eyes) uncalled for litigation. B) He knows he will not call all the negotiating shots going in - which serve as a very good psychological advantage, including how they position your opponent with the "opponent" mentality. C) He knows, or could justifiably believe, GT are - with the hypothetical 3G fight - looking to cash out on him. D) He has not proven a full recovery at the elite level yet. E) He knows Gennady can capitalise on one mistake and turn it into a (at the elite level) career ending KO. F) He knows the Golovkin fights and KO's guy regularly. G) He knows he doesn't fight regularly and doesn't always KO guys. H) He knows the networks will be viewing him cautiously after the HBO and GT contractual episodes and disputes. I) He knows HBO have invested a lot of time and money into 3G, and no-one likes to see their investments go to waste. J) He knows Dan Goossen was widely respected amongst the managerial, promotional and network fraternities, and that his arbitration/court results may have not bought him (Ward that is) many friends/favours in many of those circles - particularly those that believe contracted fighters should do as their management request. K) He knows that some will see his actions having a final and/or additional impact on Dan's struggles. Thats a heck of a lot more pressure and possible paranoia for a fighter to carry into a hypothetical 3G, or any, fight. By comparison, SRL suffered from a detached retina and was (after some argy bargy with various Doctors) later cleared to fight; all within his layoff. He entered the Hagler fight as, narrowly, the main draw and favourite, and he had no such managerial/promotional issues as those that plague a fighter, are above-mentioned, and related to Ward. Best to have a tune up fight in my opinion and, if for no other reason, see how all your business contacts treat and respond to you; before signing for someone they have already invested in and consider to be your (revenue/financial) replacement. I could be wrong, but that's just the way I see it. Ward would be crazy to; A) Endure serious surgery. B) Remain steadfast about what he believes in, at such a high cost (in many ways). C) Go through all the he and Dan represented these last few years and recently also, including Dan's unfortunate demise. D) Hold out for this long and be so stubborn on so many fronts. And then after it all, say "what the heck" I won't bother about a tune up fight to see where the business and other minds - if not my own elite level skills - really are. Remember; A) The most powerful influence in boxing is not the fighter; it's money, networks and promoters. B) Look at what people do - not what they say. I am sure Ward - with all his experience in amateur and professional boxing - knows this.


brownsugar

As an adjunct, (I think) it's important (when considering if a tune up fight prior to a hypothetical 3G fight is warranted) to realise the risks, and also the mindset Ward may be in going into a hypothetical 3G fight, particularly without a tune up fight. A) He knows Goossen Tutor are aware that the last significant thing he did with Dan was, arguably (in GT's eyes) uncalled for litigation. B) He knows he will not call all the negotiating shots going in - which serve as a very good psychological advantage, including how they position your opponent with the "opponent" mentality. C) He knows, or could justifiably believe, GT are - with the hypothetical 3G fight - looking to cash out on him. D) He has not proven a full recovery at the elite level yet. E) He knows Gennady can capitalise on one mistake and turn it into a (at the elite level) career ending KO. F) He knows the Golovkin fights and KO's guy regularly. G) He knows he doesn't fight regularly and doesn't always KO guys. H) He knows the networks will be viewing him cautiously after the HBO and GT contractual episodes and disputes. I) He knows HBO have invested a lot of time and money into 3G, and no-one likes to see their investments go to waste. J) He knows Dan Goossen was widely respected amongst the managerial, promotional and network fraternities, and that his arbitration/court results may have not bought him (Ward that is) many friends/favours in many of those circles - particularly those that believe contracted fighters should do as their management request. K) He knows that some will see his actions having a final and/or additional impact on Dan's struggles. Thats a heck of a lot more pressure and possible paranoia for a fighter to carry into a hypothetical 3G, or any, fight. By comparison, SRL suffered from a detached retina and was (after some argy bargy with various Doctors) later cleared to fight; all within his layoff. He entered the Hagler fight as, narrowly, the main draw and favourite, and he had no such managerial/promotional issues as those that plague a fighter, are above-mentioned, and related to Ward. Best to have a tune up fight in my opinion and, if for no other reason, see how all your business contacts treat and respond to you; before signing for someone they have already invested in and consider to be your (revenue/financial) replacement. I could be wrong, but that's just the way I see it. Ward would be crazy to; A) Endure serious surgery. B) Remain steadfast about what he believes in, at such a high cost (in many ways). C) Go through all the he and Dan represented these last few years and recently also, including Dan's unfortunate demise. D) Hold out for this long and be so stubborn on so many fronts. And then after it all, say "what the heck" I won't bother about a tune up fight to see where the business and other minds - if not my own elite level skills - really are. Remember; A) The most powerful influence in boxing is not the fighter; it's money, networks and promoters. B) Look at what people do - not what they say. I am sure Ward - with all his experience in amateur and professional boxing - knows this.
That's a very good synopsis of Wards current status ...hypothetically speaking and probably mirrors a lot of the real truth in Ward's life. I think the addition of the Muhammad Ali Act Lawsuit filed by Team Ward , although seemingly invalid was a legal way for Ward to express how desperate he was to obtain his release from his contract with GT. I also dont think Ward will be too hard on himself regarding Dan's tragic and untimely death because a promoters lifestyle is as inherently stressful as being a bill collector, a bounty hunter or a Hollywood agent. Stress always comes with the territory when the nature of a business is essentially "peddling flesh". Cancer occurs when a persons body essentially turns on itself. .....the disease undergoes a process that usually takes years to manifest its self. I'm just mentioning this because I believe Ward has a clear conscious. Ward was respectful and never attacked " the person" of Dan G..... So I don't believe Ward is harboring any guilt because of the way he conducted himself. And there certainly hasn't been any nonsense by Ward or any other people of the Christian faith claiming that GOD "moved" Dan G. out of Wards way. If that were true a lot of promoters wouldn't be here today. But what's unclear is GT's intent to keep Ward busy. It was my understanding that Ward was supposed to be fighting at the end of the year but nothing has been said whether or not GT and Team Ward are even working together in a productive way or if GT just intends to keep Ward on the bench until his contract runs out. Don King kept Kotelnick from fighting so long he just voluntarily retired. There are still a lot of questions left to be answered about Ward's situation that I hope get resolved soon.


The Shadow

Actually Sugar Ray Leonard had problems with eye injuries and surgeries, where most state commissions would not let him fight. And he had a severe drug addiction that he secretly got treatments for. Plus, he was under counseling for a sexual molestation that happened to him as a teenager. OMFG! The Sugarman was so tore up from da flo' up. He was throwing up. Hehehe! Coming back to boxing and edging out the super Marvelous Marvin Hagler is what saved Ray's life and sanity, in his own words. The thing about the hurt business -- as in real life -- there are a lot of not-spoken-public-about secrets. Sugar Ray Leonard revealed a lot of his long-kept dark, dark secrets in a book that he release a couple of years ago. Secrets about GOAT Ali are still coming out. Have you hollered at the latest flick that's out about him? Changing this subject to "SOG" Ward, I believe that he can beat 3g from coming out of the cold at 168lbs. But not at 160lbs. Team 3g would be crazy to give Ward the time of day. Good boksing hurt business is that you don't take every kick-arse that come your way. NO! You have to know when to say -- something that Hargler and the Nigerian "Nightmare" Peters didn't get the memos on. They should not have ever fought Hagler and Doc Vitali Klitschko from those nearly four-year layoffs. Holla!
OK, I think you mean, how do you provide the link to a specific post without having to necessarily get to the thread and its page first. OK . . here goes. See the little white hashtag number on the top right of every post, that indicates what numbered post it is for any given thread? This one is #29 Aside from the content, and regardless of the website, most forum software applications are basically the same. The one Dino has chosen is a good one as they're quite reliable, but more importantly user friendly. In order to provide administrative and other house keeping functions thread, thread/post numbers, and user/post numbers must be captured. If you click on the above-mentioned little white hashtag number on the top right of every post . . . you will (stay on the same page, but also) notice that the URL (previously containing the websites address and both the forum thread name and threads page number) now changes. Now it is now suffixed with a unique user/forum post ID tag - instead of being suffixed with the aforementioned threads page number that was tagged to the end of the websites address and forum thread name. Suck that URL up into your buffer, and then use it where you like.
Thank you! That's exactly what I meant! This way when I post the winners, I can link to the actual post that did the job. Much easier than copy/pasting and more transparent -- for the sake of fairness -- than just naming a winner "because he was good." Thanks again! Dino, I enjoy the scientific breakdowns but his (somewhat uncharacteristic) short posts are quite dynamic and very enjoyable also.