There Are Tens of Millions of Reasons Why Floyd and Manny Should NOT Fight

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I remember leaving the venue the night Manny Pacquiao demolished Ricky Hatton, in May of 2009, and hearing a friend say to another friend of ours, “He'll do the same thing to Mayweather.”

To which I interjected and said, “There's not a chance in the world of that happening.”

Four months later, in September 2009, I was leaving the same venue with the same group of guys after watching Floyd Mayweather tutor Juan Manuel Marquez for 12 one-sided rounds. The guy who said Pacquiao would knock out Mayweather was more convinced than ever that he was right four months earlier. However, the other two among the group weren't as convinced that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather as they were the night Manny separated Hatton from his senses.

The real interest in a Mayweather-Pacquiao bout began during the summer of 2009. In a perfect boxing world Floyd and Manny would've faced each other somewhere between March and May of 2010. Here we sit four and a half years later and the faux super-fight is no closer to being realized.

Since Pacquiao stopped Hatton and Mayweather schooled Marquez, Pacquiao has fought nine times, all on PPV. Mayweather has fought seven times, all on PPV. That's 16 PPV bouts between them. Think about how much money they've made in those 16 PPV exclusives.

In addition to that only five of those 16 PPV bouts with them as the main event were moderately exciting and action packed: Pacquiao-Cotto, Pacquiao-Marquez III & IV, along with Mayweather-Cotto and Mayweather-Maidana I. What's really sad is thinking about how much money boxing fans coughed up to see five outstanding bouts in 16 fights.

Together, Mayweather and Pacquiao developed their own cottage industry by not fighting each other. By them not fighting in the spring of 2010, every time they've fought since then on PPV, viewers and fans have sized them up and how they'd do against each other. That keeps the interest in a potential fight between them thriving. This is the main reason why bouts like Mayweather-Maidana I & II and Pacquiao-Aligeri among their other recent bouts were and are PPV attractions.

Sure, Floyd and Manny both would've made a King's ransom had they met during the spring of 2010, but not nearly as much as they have made since, without having faced each other. If Mayweather and Pacquiao fought in 2010, one of them would've lost and he'd be a boxing staple on HBO or Showtime now if he was still fighting. Unless the fight was spectacular or controversial, the loser would go back to headlining subscription cable cards. The reality is the public would've lost interest in the loser once it was established he couldn't beat the winner.

We are at the point to whenever Mayweather and Pacquiao fight, they're not really being measured by the opponent in front of them. They are really being compared to how the other looked in their last fight. When Pacquiao takes on Chris Algieri next month, assuming he wins, his showing will be compared to how the version of him who fought Algieri would've fared against the Mayweather who beat Marcos Maidana in their rematch last month. And on and on it goes.

When Mayweather looks good, he becomes the favorite in the eyes of boxing fans. And when Pacquiao looks good and Floyd looks vulnerable, then Manny closes the gap as to who fans think would win. What an understanding of the business side of boxing they've acquired. Everyone else would keep saying “fifty million dollars apiece” as to why they should fight each other, when the real money is in making 20, 25, or 30 million over and over and over again in low risks fights.

Basically, when Mayweather and Pacquiao fight on PPV and it cost you anywhere between $70.00 – $80.00 to watch, remember you are paying for a dry run or a dress rehearsal. There isn't one boxing fan reading this who can't say that when they were watching the slow hand and footed Maidana, who can't box, actually land to Mayweather's head and face last month, you weren't thinking in your mind how Mayweather would've dealt with Pacquiao's speed, power and boxing ability. Come on, you know I'm right.

Furthermore, when Pacquiao takes on the better than advertised light hitting Algieri next month, you'll replace Algieri with Mayweather in your mind’s eye and then try and deduce how Manny would handle Mayweather's speed and boxing ability if he were inserted from his last fight against Maidana…………Again, you know I'm right.

What a cottage industry Mayweather and Pacquiao have cultivated together. It's even more amazing that it happened and fell into place without either coercing or corresponding with the other to work it like they have. And seeing how that as long as they keep talking about fighting each other after their last bout, there's really no urgency on their part to fight. And this could go on for a long time as long as their future fights pay them millions and millions of dollars apiece.

Forget about who or what is to blame for the fight not being made. The reality of it is, Mayweather-Pacquiao is as bullet proof as the NFL. The only way fans should pay for the next fight featuring Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao is if they're facing each other, it can be argued. Otherwise, perhaps you're wasting your money and contributing to their cottage industry.

There's an old joke about a village idiot who people got into the habit of offering either a dollar or a quarter.  The idiot always took the quarter, as people laughed at him.  The scam went on year after year, and the idiot continued to amass a fortune in quarters.  That “idiot”–he understood that the first time he took the dollar, it would be the last money he ever made.  He knew not to do that, and so got the last laugh on everybody.  That's the story that popped into my mind when I realized the hustle that Mayweather and Pacquaio are running.  They'll run their game as long as they can, then finally bust things out at the very end, when they're both ready to hang up their gloves, by fighting each other.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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-Radam G :

Da Manny would have and still will kick Money May's arse. Fam May -- except Uncle Jeff -- knows it. And tsAH knows it. The fight was never going to be because of it. Nuff said. Holla!


-Froggy :

Da Manny would have and still will kick Money May's arse. Fam May -- except Uncle Jeff -- knows it. And tsAH knows it. The fight was never going to be because of it. Nuff said. Holla!
I agree %100 about Money May getting his arse kicked and hope you are wrong about it never happening, but I am afraid you are right there too !


-Crimeslayer :

Yep, Frank, I do know you're right! Great insight!


-SouthPawFlo :

Not this "debate" again


-Kid Blast :

The inflection point will be when one fighter perceives that the other is done combined with more money than there is money. That will be if and when they fight. IMO, of course.


-Carmine Cas :

Before reading the article, and oblyy the title I was thinking to myself there a hundred million reasons why the fight should happen, but after reading it; mathematically it kind of makes sense according to Lotierzo's logic. They're getting 8 figure paydays already fighting "lower risk" opponents, the $10-15 million increase in purse is not worth the risk of losing and hurting their future potential earnings. This article makes sense, I just hope they fight eventually.


-SouthPawFlo :

I agree with the premise of the article, having 9 & 7 PPV fights are better than having 1-2 "Superfights" But I've always thought that if Manny fought Mayweather and won he would retire and vice versa with Floyd.. If manny beats Floyd and makes 40-60 million would he really be able to get up to fight Chris Al for $15-$20 & if Floyd were to fight Manny and make $50-$75million he would definitely retire.. They should both fight for their swan song in September 2015....


-the Roast :

Da Manny would have and still will kick Money May's arse. Fam May -- except Uncle Jeff -- knows it. And tsAH knows it. The fight was never going to be because of it. Nuff said. Holla!
Jeez Radam don't you ever get tired of repeating yourself over and over and over? 4000 out of those 9000 posts must be repeats!


-stormcentre :

OMFG. I think its time (for the world) to harden the fu$k up on this issue, take the blouse off, and get out the chains and put the steel capped boots back on. :) Who cares? Sure it was relevant eons ago .. but now? Personally, I'd rather sit back and fire up my active ATC SCM 200's and pump Adam Szabo & Johan Vilborg "Two To One" (Original Mix) [Enhanced Recordings]; loud enough to make the neighbours consider complaining. :) Just finished a massive session at the gym. 12 on the bag, 5 on the mitts and almost 10 sparring. Come on someone call me out and say I am bullshitting. :) It happens. Two clowns come rolling in. Clown 1 reminds us all openly that he is a boxer and proceeds to asks for some work whilst I am on the mitts minding my own biz, but then when in the ring mistakes kindness for a weakness. Claret is spilt. Gym owner starts to get worried, but not as much as clown 1 . . because clown 2 now has to help him down through the ropes after 8; as he can't do it all by himself. Clown 2 decides to try and make sure that, for them, it's not all embarrassment, tears, and bad news back at home after the gym. So, it's a lucky dip, and up he jumps. Bell rings and he runs out of the corner like he's possessed and it's a world title. I'm all warmed up and ready to go, not tired, and my eye is in; but I can't stop laughing which just frustrates clown 2 more. Round 1 just slides out of the way as I have him in the nuetral corner and his midsection is starting to ring from body shots And then whadya know . . . KO in round 2 for Storm. I am retired - Fu$k I love this sport. And the funniest thing is . . . it wasn't even my gym!!! First time back there in 8 months. Fu$k I love this sport. Harden the Fu$k up Pacquiao V Mayweather world. Pacquiao jacked on jungle juice presents the problems to Floyd of a Zab Judah without the gassing, low punch output, moderate power and punch resistance problems; therefore potentially blowing Floyd out. Current model Pacquiao, without serious power and at welterweight has difficulties (but not impossibilities) with Floyd's defence, and the fight becomes more a coin toss - even less if Ariza is still with Floyd; "wink wink". Even though Mayweather V Pacquiao is not entirely a proposition without its own ejekulation point for some; Ward V Golovkin is a more appealing bout - particularly if someone tells Gennady that all obstacles to absolute boxing stardom fall away if he cleans Ward out of there by stoppage. Canelo V Cotto is also similarly interesting. Same for Froch, Dirrell or Kessler V 3G. Roast; can you set up a little intro with that girlie in your avatar? If so I will swap you the single best exercise for developing KO power, and also guarantee it.


-michigan400 :

If Manny lost, he would still make compelling PPV fights like Cotto does or Fatties did. Hes an exciting fighter. If Floyd lost only he would be relegated to the non PPV shows. Mainly because he would fight nobody that had a chance and there would be no interest there since he already took a loss. He made his "0" so valuable that when he looses it, he's done. Live by the 0 die by the 0.


-stormcentre :


->http://wizard-highend.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/outstandig-setup.html
->http://www.traveltraxaudio.com/atc/speakers/loudspeakers/professional-monitors/scm200asl-pro.htm
->http://www.da-x.de/de/atc-scm-200-asl-pro.html And last but not least . . .
->http://www.beatport.com/track/two-to-one-original-mix/4563575 And yes . . I was having a little bit of fun with the last post. :)


-DaveB :

michigan400 Re: There Are Tens of Millions of Reasons Why Floyd and Manny Should NOT Fight If Manny lost, he would still make compelling PPV fights like Cotto does or Fatties did. Hes an exciting fighter. If Floyd lost only he would be relegated to the non PPV shows. Mainly because he would fight nobody that had a chance and there would be no interest there since he already took a loss. He made his "0" so valuable that when he looses it, he's done. Live by the 0 die by the 0. I absolutely agree with your assessment. I think that Pacquaio would still be an attraction with the loss. His fights are still entertaining and people would still be interested in him. Cotto still does well, Marquez still fights PPV and Canelo still draws. I know too that they have incredible paying fan bases. Mayweather, unless he lost a very hot contested decision, I don't think would fare as well initially do to losing a lot of intrigue once he catches his first loss. Mayweather has no charisma, most of his fights are boring, doesn't have anything to say of interest, is boorish, flaunts his wealth and lifestyle, lives above the law, etc. Because of his skill level and another potential fight with Pacquaio, he would probably get some PPV dates and it would depend on how he was promoted, he could possibly work his way back in as PPV top attraction. While I agree with the article in some ways I believe the fight should have happened and it wouldn't have tarnished their images as much as we think. Sugar Ray Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Holmes, Ali, etc. all kept doing well after big losses.


-Radam G :

Jeez Radam don't you ever get tired of repeating yourself over and over and over? 4000 out of those 9000 posts must be repeats!
Not true, the Roast! Only 3,999 out of those 9,000 posts must and might be repeats. Count 'em for me. And let us have a confirmation. Hehe! Holla!


-Radam G :

Jeez Radam don't you ever get tired of repeating yourself over and over and over? 4000 out of those 9000 posts must be repeats!
And BTW, l don't see anybody getting tired of repeating themselves over and over of how excellent and sugar awesome Sugar Ray Robinson was. And how he can whup every fighter's arse of all time. And what about Money May whuppin' every fighter's arse of this era, when he ducked murder rows just as SRR did. But both SRR and MM did it for safety and to be fit to make more easy money. So I ain't hating them. Holla!


-stormcentre :


->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U5grhr0L5g


-stormcentre :


->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3VnX0hf_yM


-Radam G :

The Money Train fired CEO Ellerbee has said in a recent interview that "Lil Floyd will commit suicide if he is forced to fight...(Da Manny). Dang! Holla!


-flackoguapo :


->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U5grhr0L5g
This guys needs to be on TMT,replacing Ellerbe.