Here Is The Gameplan To Beat Floyd Mayweather

-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr.-Jua-001The records show that there have now been forty three plotted fistic attacks against boxing's impenetrable fortress since 1996 -each of them thwarted by one of the most advanced defensive systems so far seen in boxing.As of yet, there are no clear clues nor is there any definitive evidence -the Floyd Mayweather case remains open. Pump the jab, close him down, rough him up, don't stop throwing. Much like the infamous Roswell incident, everyone has a different opinion; just how do you decrypt and decode Mayweather's boxing database?

Floyd Mayweather is not like other fighters. Other fighters are self contained by their respective styles. Boxers, punchers, swarmers, sluggers -by locking themselves into stylistic boundaries, they limit their ability to adjust to what is in front of them. Trying to categorize Mayweather's style, is in itself, a daunting task. Floyd Mayweather is a counterpunching, intercepting, boxing chameleon -multi layered, he can alternate his technique, adapting it to his surroundings.An extensive trainer, Mayweather's hard work and dedication is now folklore. And yet, the biggest problem Mayweather opponents face in the ring took place during his childhood, not his training camp.

His pacifier? A boxing glove.

His crib? A boxing ring.

Boxing is in his genes. Like a thoroughbred race horse, Mayweather comes from a long line of boxing blood -his father and uncles embedded their knowledge into his boxing DNA. Floyd Mayweather has spent his entire life living and breathing the science, not the usual sweet science we are accustomed to, no. This,his own unique brand, is far more complex.

The Tao Of Floyd Mayweather:

To fully understand Floyd Mayweather, we first need to appreciate his art.Mayweather's approach to boxing is more like that of a fencer than a fighter. Most of the time, Floyd's emphasis is on blocking an attack, with an attack -this is the foundation of Mayweather's art. He is at the opposite end of the boxing spectrum to fighters like Brandon Rios and Jorge Arce, both in terms of talent and intent. Mayweather's approach to boxing is best described using what I term the three Is: Intellect, Intuition and Instinct.

Intellect: Mayweather's ring acumen is as high as anyone else's in boxing, trainers and cornermen included. His understanding of strategy, tactics and ring generalship are unparalleled in the modern game.

Intuition: Mayweather possesses almost a sixth sense when it comes to anticipating an opponent's next move or action.

Instinct: Mayweather's ability to take advantage of any mistake, habit or opening maybe his greatest asset.

Mayweather has combined the three I's in such a way, that he is without doubt the most cerebral, adaptable and reactive practitioner in boxing.Every action from his opponent will result in a reaction from Mayweather.

The Science Of Mayweather:

Mayweather's greatness may be open for debate; his craft however, is not {at least not from a statistical standpoint}. According to Compubox, Mayweather's 46 percent average connect rate, compiled during his last nine fights, ranks as the very best among current active fighters -Mayweather's defensive genius clouds the fact that he is also one of the finest offensive fighters in the sport {more on that in later}. It is not surprising then, that Mayweather's defensive numbers are even more impressive -Mayweather's opponents manage to land a measly 16 percent of their punches thrown, which is the lowest collective figure in Compubox's 4,000 fight database. These numbers equate to a plus/minus connect percentage rating of plus 30 percent, which is double the offense/defense ratio of his current peers {Andre Ward is in second place with a plus 15 percent connect rate}.These numbers are a graphic representation of what Mayweather opponents are faced with; Floyd Mayweather is in an entirely different class when it comes to the essence of boxing -to hit and not get hit.

Over the last few months, in preparation for the Floyd Mayweather-Miguel Cotto fight, I have spent more time studying Floyd Mayweather footage than I care to admit. Throughout the next part of this article, I will shed some new light on numerous Mayweather assumptions regarding his in ring behaviour, how he operates and how one should set about trying to upset him.There will be some strange analogies along the way, but rest assured, they have not been written for writing's sake. Each will have an important meaning with regards to trying to diagnose the best way in derailing Floyd Mayweather, boxing's unsolved mystery.

Forget what we think we know.

The following comment was taken from a recent interview.

Ricky Hatton: “I was clipping him and catching him here and there and a couple of rounds were even but I felt he was always calling the shots. He was slippery. I couldn't have hit him with a handful of confetti and even when I got a shot through it half-caught his shoulder or he half-rolled it or he moved half a step back or half-slipped out of the way. His timing was incredible. If I had him on the ropes and threw seven or eight punches, he blocked about six of them and then countered me.”

The next comment was offered when the question was asked, How do you beat Floyd Mayweather?

Emanuel Steward: “The main component you need to defeat Floyd Mayweather is to pressure him with a solid, hard jab. You have to get the simple things right, then everything else will fall into place. Floyd's a very talented fighter. You must pressure him and take him out of his comfort zone. The jab is the key. He's used to fighting his own fight, so again, the target is to force him out of his comfort zone.”

Mayweather, The Counterpuncher:

Within these comments, lie some of the biggest misconceptions when it comes to understanding Floyd Mayweather. The biggest, and most popular of these is that one must apply unrelenting pressure in order to be in with a chance of defeating him. Many believe that counterpunchers are at their most vulnerable when confronted with severe pressure. The reason for this, I believe, is because of the late Joe Frazier's life and death duels with the great Muhammad Ali. Here's the problem. Ali was a mover, not a counterpuncher. At his apex, Ali would move around the ring and pick his opponents apart using his length, demon speed and lightning quick jab. Ali's style was not designed to be best against a pressurizing inside swarmer. That's why Ali fought Frazier differently, he stood his ground more, and put more weight behind his punches. Ali eventually learned how to tie fighters up on the inside, but never once was it his intention to invite opponents into that range, so that he could counter them -which is precisely what Floyd Mayweather does.

Contrary to perception, Mayweather is right at home when a fighter is right up on him, trying to pound away with hook after hook. Look again at what Ricky Hatton said -he would throw seven or eight punches, for only one or two to land. What makes you bad, makes you better. Do you really think Mayweather became the counterpuncher he is today by spending hours in the gym, refining his defensive skills by facing fleet footed fighters like Willie Pep? Of course he didn't. Mayweather's defensive virtuosity is more likely a direct result of him spending hours at a time with his back against the ropes, allowing fighters as large as light-heavyweight to pound away on him. Think of some of the greatest counterpunching performances of all time, fights like James Toney-Iran Barkley and Pernell Whitaker-Jose Luis Ramirez. The fighter on the wrong end of these performances did nothing but oblige their opponents by giving them angles and range with which to work from. The truth is, Floyd Mayweather is probably at his most comfortable in this position. By pressuring him, the opponent is providing Mayweather with familiarity.

Let's think about Mayweather with his back against the ropes -a defensive structure formed out of his left shoulder, a tucked chin behind it, a high right glove and a left arm across that barricades the whole construct. Now think of his opponent failing miserably in trying to land on him. Many have put this down to Mayweather's “Jedi-like reflexes”. Let's be real here -Jedi reflexes don't exist, anticipation through knowledge does, however.

I'm of the opinion that Mayweather has become an expert in realising punch patterns. Going one step further, I believe Mayweather knows exactly what punch is coming next, through probability.Imagine you are at a set of traffic lights and the light is on red. Through your own experience, you know the sequence that follows. Once amber is lit, you are given a heads up.Your reaction time to accelerate away is enhanced, and you can pull off within a heartbeat of the light changing to green.Now, imagine if suddenly there was no amber light, and the signal went straight from red to green.Do you think you could accelerate away at the same rate as before? The point is, at close quarters, Mayweather already knows the likely punching angles. If an opponent's chest is pressed against Mayweather's left shoulder, he is aware that nothing but a hook will be thrown, by looking at an opponent's body alignment, he can then narrow it down to which side the punch will be thrown. If an opponent throws a left hook, the next punch that follows will likely be a right hook, remembering that Mayweather's left shoulder has limited your punching options. In the same position, Jose Luis Castillo had some success because he was patient, varied his shot selection and didn't get in the way of his own work. Rather than make the mistake Philip N'dou made when he had Mayweather on the ropes, throwing a right hook, left hook, right hook combination {that Mayweather is familiar with when defending} Castillo instead showed a lot of discipline in this position, even taking a step back, leading with left straights, pausing then throwing another, followed by a right. Castillo alternated his attack pattern at this range. I can see how tempting it must be -Mayweather is so elusive in centre ring, that the proposition of having him right in front of you, with his back to the ropes,would look too good to resist. But remember, this is where most of Mayweather's seemingly endless stamina is salvaged, and his opponent's is sapped. Which leads into my next point.

The whole notion of Mayweather being at his most vulnerable with his back against the ropes came about because of Castillo's success against him {many believe he beat Mayweather in their first match-up}. While Castillo has came closer than anyone else in scarring Mayweather's perfection, you have to remember a few important points. Firstly, this was Mayweather's first fight at lightweight and on fight night, Castillo enjoyed a nine pound advantage over Mayweather, which is an awful lot to concede considering this was Mayweather's first venture at this weight. Secondly, Mayweather apparently suffered a rib injury prior to the fight,as well as a hand injury during the fight. And finally, Mayweather actually defeated Castillo comprehensively the second time around, nailing that demon in a bullet-proof coffin by standing his ground more,keeping Castillo in front of him and using the jab. Simply put, because of Castillo's relative success -like most of the heavyweights that followed Ali in the late 70s thought they had to be on their toes and move in order to box -most Mayweather opponents share the concept; they have to avoid centre ring and bully him to the ropes in order to have success.

Mayweather, The Attacker:

We have now heard the same statement over and over again. You can't win a fight with Floyd Mayweather by boxing him in the middle of the ring. This, I believe, is yet another misconception that places unnecessary doubt in a fighter's mind.I agree, Mayweather does seem to be at his most dazzling in the middle of the ring, when outboxing and outfoxing his opponent. However, I actually believe, Mayweather could also be at his most vulnerable at this range. It's just a case of dispelling the myths. Mayweather's understanding of punch patterns has lead to him being perceived as untouchable away from the ropes. What doesn't help is the common belief that to have success, you must pump the jab at him. I disagree with this theory entirely. The jab is the most common punch in boxing. Notice how I highlighted the word common. If you provide Mayweather with familiarity, you are providing him with a plan. {Remember, every action will evoke a reaction}. By sticking the jab at him, over and over, you are giving him something to key off of. Mayweather can be beat in the centre of the ring, but you have to have the right strategy to do it, a strategy that doesn't involve being overly offensive. Take a look at the Amir Khan-Paulie Malignaggi fight. I consider Malignaggi to be one of the better pure boxers in the sport. {Don't believe me? Have a look at his recent performance away from home against Vyacheslav Senchenko}. During the contest, HBO's Max Kellerman stated that nobody had ever outboxed Malignaggi in the centre of the ring, the way Amir Khan was doing on that night. I disagree with Max. I don't think Khan outboxed him, I just believe he out-thought him. Malignaggi, like Mayweather, thrives on an opponent feeding him with textbook angles with which to work from at a range that he is familiar with. Amir Khan did not oblige him. Khan was out of range, using his length, and then exploded in with power shots. Every time Khan came in, Malignaggi froze. His immediate response, being a defensive based fighter, was to defend. What we had was Malignaggi defending while Khan was attacking. But the key was Khan did not fight an offensive fight. Khan fought a defensive fight against a defensive fighter- a fighter who thrives on predictable offense, offense that has been embedded into him, when he was perfecting his craft. Khan's unpredictability won the fight. Not his boxing skills. Had Khan stood in front of Malignaggi, throwing conventional punch sequences,he would have been outboxed.

Mayweather, like Malignaggi,also thrives in the middle of the ring, because of his understanding of probability. If Mayweather is out of range, he knows that in order for an opponent to take the fight to him {the only way to defeat him, or so we've been told} and touch him,the likely punch will be an opponent's longest weapon, the jab. This is why Mayweather's opponents appear to give up early in fights. Because Mayweather has such an astute understanding of distance, and knows that the only way to reach him is through a jab, he is ready to release his right hand counter over the top. Again, we have been lead to believe that Mayweather's otherworldly reflexes are the reason behind his success in countering opponents in the centre of the ring, when in fact, it's sheer knowledge. Mayweather manipulates his opponent into releasing a jab.Again, it's not Jedi-like reflexes, it's just an old school technique that is taught called drawing the lead. Mayweather's anticipation is a direct result of an opponent throwing the punch that he knows they will throw.

Another statement that pollutes fighters' minds is be unpredictable, never throw the same punch twice. This is where Mayweather has pulled the curtain over alot of peoples' eyes. Floyd Mayweather, despite regularly limiting his offense to a jab or a right hand, is actually the most unpredictable offensive fighter in boxing. Now I know this sounds controversial, with fighters like Pacquiao throwing multiple punches from odd angles, but hear me out. Think back to the recent Mayweather-Cotto fight. During one of the middle rounds, Floyd Mayweather threw five consecutive overhand rights, and every one of them landed. How was Mayweather able to land the same punch five times in a row? Unpredictability. Imagine you're Miguel Cotto, you've been nailed by two of them, which is feasible. In your mind, you must be thinking that's twice now, another punch must be coming, I'm going to set my defense for a left hook… boom, another right hand. Ok, that's the third, there's no wa….boom, a fourth. Right that's it, time to mount some o….boom, a fifth. Do you see what I mean? There will have been no point in Cotto's life, either in sparring or for real, where any fighter dared to throw five consecutive right hands against him. This is Mayweather's most undervalued asset. Because Mayweather has mastered boxing, he understands that punch probability is arguably the most important part of boxing. He knows what to expect on defense, and what his opponents least expect, when he is on offense.

Think of Juan Manuel Marquez, a case can be made that he is one of the greatest combination punchers of all time. The problem with combination punching in rapid fire is it has a certain beat to it. Most combinations -like a jab, right hand, left to the body -are taught and are predictable. Take a look at Marquez against Mayweather. In the centre of the ring, Marquez unleashes his combinations in quick succession. Mayweather, in his defensive posture, picks them all off. Don't be fooled, there is no way any fighter can react that quick without knowing what is being thrown. Mayweather, like Marquez, has been taught the very same combinations,but only for defensive purposes. On offense, Mayweather throws intermitting shots. Altering the pace, altering the tempo. Making them almost impossible to predict or time. As a thought experiment, the next time you listen to a song on the radio, or in a supermarket, listen to the beat. By the time the song is finished, I guarantee, you will have learned the beat, even knowing the exact tempo once the song has finished. Now try the same experiment with some of Miles Davis jazz. His work is full of unpredictable rhythm riffs, making it all but impossible to memorize. Mayweather's punching is akin to a complicated jazz piece. He throws his shots sporadically, with no rhythm to them, making it nigh on impossible to time.

As you can see, I believe Mayweather's gifts are not really gifts, but rewards,as a result of his self expressed hard work and dedication. Don't get me wrong, Mayweather is also an athletic specimen. His hand and foot speed are better than good, and his power is also underappreciated. Nevertheless, there have been faster fighters than Mayweather throughout history-Hector Camacho, Meldrick Taylor, Terry Norris and even Howard Davis were possibly faster than Mayweather. Heck, with Gary Russell Jr, Amir Khan and Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather may not even be the fastest fighter competing today. One thing I'm certain of though, is Mayweather is the most schooled fighter currently active in boxing. His counterpunching ability, anticipation, reflexes, defense and offense are not a gift from the gods. They are a reflection of plain old tuition. And just as Mayweather has developed a way of fighting that caters for one and all,with the number forty three embroidered on it,there will no doubt be a strategy devised at some point in the future, that will have the number one attached to it. Someone somewhere, will have it.

Beyond Mayweather's Science: The Strategy.

As mentioned here earlier, I have spent alot of time lately trying to dissect what Mayweather does in the ring, and in particular, his behavioural patterns and reactions to certain things. Upon watching Mayweather's fights, I was amazed at the lack of strategical variation in Mayweather's opponents. You have to ask yourself, is this down to clever match making? Or Mayweather genius? I believe it's more Mayweather genius, with a sprinkle of clever match making.

In all honesty, if Floyd Mayweather managed to retire undefeated, while still facing top competition, I'd be amazed. No doubt, he will take some beating, but with the right type of fighter and the right type of strategy,I believe Mayweather, boxing's most complicated puzzle, can be solved.

The following is a type of gameplan I constructed when watching numerous Floyd Mayweather fights, as well as other fights involving different fighters. A list of them will be at the bottom of this article.

Fight a defensive fight, give the counter-puncher nothing to counter. Mayweather likes nothing better than to dictate the range and pace, not concede it. Be out of range -the counterpuncher's range. Use the whole ring -don't be afraid of its centre.Allow Mayweather to go to the ropes, don't oblige him, stay disciplined, he wants you there. Feint, feint, feint again-Mayweather's instinct is to defend or intercept an attack, put him in his defensive construct, he is predictable in it, he can't win a fight by staying in it. Don't throw combinations, lead with power shots from the outside, he won't expect it. Use the jab, but sparingly -remember, he wants you to throw it, so oblige him, feint before you throw it, stick it in his gut, stick it in his chest, avoid his head, he won't expect that. Remember, he's a counterpuncher by nature; never pressure him,leap in, then back out. Single shots, he won't expect it -he knows combination sequences, avoid them. Turn him, move off to the sides. He's a technician, he's been taught conventional attack patterns, lead with a hook, an uppercut. But he's a defensive wizard, he will easily counter? No, he's a defensive wizard who counters textbook punches. Throw away the text book. Make sure HE is the aggressor, make him chase YOU around the ring. Mayweather doesn't throw while he is advancing -leap in, surprise him, he will fall back into that defensive posture, keep defense on his mind. Keep things awkward for him, he loves to be in control of things, keep the distance, fight a defensive fight, give him nothing to counter. He sets his feet before the right hand, don't try and counter it, you know it's coming, get out of range. The crowd is hissing, there's not much action? That's good, he wants you right in front of him, stay out of range. He's never fought this fight before. He looks puzzled. Mayweather has mastered boxing, but this isn't boxing in his mind. If you hurt him, and he goes to the ropes, follow him, but think of Castillo. Don't get wild, stay composed. Throw intermitting shots, you're in his range now. He's tough to hit, he's bending at the waist and dipping. Feint him, throw your next punch where you think his head will be next, not where it's at now. Go to the body, take a step back, see everything,stay disciplined. He wants you to engage, disengage him….the crowd is booing louder, shall I press him? No, that's what he wants, he hasn't been able to counter anything all night, you've given him nothing to counter.

Like I mentioned before these notes, this should be seen as a best case scenario for a Mayweather opponent.

Consequently, my opinion is far different from what most believe to be the correct way to fight Floyd Mayweather. The general perception is aggression, pressure, volume, avoid the centre of the ring, force him to the ropes and look for a big shot as he can't be outboxed. My belief is almost the polar opposite. I don't think Mayweather has faced an opponent who has brought this type of strategy to him. If I were to pick an opponent competing today around Mayweather's weight class, that could pull this off, I would have to choose between Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquiao or Amir Khan. Each would have their own little advantage, that they could utilize to their benefit against Mayweather. Pacquiao's explosiveness, southpaw angles, lack of jab {Mayweather won't key off it}and power. Martinez' understanding of range, his ability to fight backing up, speed and power along with his generalship would prove problematic, as would Khan's in and out style, length and speed. If weights were aligned, then Yuriorkis Gamboa would be my top choice, as the type of opponent who could inflict the first defeat on Mayweather. I cannot stress enough, that I believe Floyd Mayweather is the finest boxer on the planet, but, as I've mentioned here before, styles do indeed make fights, and even Ray Robinson tasted defeat at some point. It's not inconceivable to think Mayweather could adjust and adapt to this type of strategy, but having viewed Mayweather's post hiatus fights on numerous occasions {Marquez onwards, it is evident that his Diego Corrales days are long gone. Mayweather, like all defensive movers as they get older, is a lot more static these days. That's why he now prefers to press the attack as opposed to using his legs to motor around the ring like the Mayweather of old.

Some may have came as close, but there has never been a perfect fighter in boxing.Mayweather is not a perfect fighter, yet he has a perfect record. That will likely remain perfect until someone constructs the perfect plan. Easier said, of course, than done.

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—Compubox punchstats taken from espn.com

—Fights used constructing strategy: Mayweather-Corrales, Mayweather-Castillo 1+2, Mayweather-N'dou, Mayweather-Judah, Mayweather-Mosley,Mayweather-Cotto, Mayweather-Marquez, Pascal-Dawson, Khan-Malinaggi, Whitaker-Hurtado, Mayorga-Forrest, Young-Ali, Gamboa-Solis and Martinez-Dzinziruk.

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Radam G :

Wow! Long piece just to beat Money May. Holla!


deepwater :

youtube carlos ortiz vs flash elorde. ortiz shows you the key to beating a slick fighter


jacubi50 :

Wylie, I like your analysis and writing but your giving Floyd too much props. Floyd probably doesn't even know what you said of Floyd is Floyd himself. Floyd's defense and instincts reflect simply a person who doesn't want to get hit. His eyes are wide open--watching intently every move his opponent tries to make--and his awareness level is just off the charts because Floyd is afraid of getting decked. Hence Floyd is very "disciplined" in doing what he does. I agree Floyd has the boxing acumen growing up in a boxing family, but I believe his character and personality is what contributed to the type of boxer he is today. Floyd often boasts he's God's gift, his perfect 43-0 record, fighters not being on his level, and of course his "money". However once you get to a point where you can't back down from your words, or you become the words you say you are, you have to perform and perform flawlessly. A lot of people boast, but lack the discipline when it comes to cruch time, but Floyd is disciplined. I think Floyd is "unique" only to a certain degree. I believe his uniqueness doesn't stem from his ability to box, but knowing how to preserve his body/health and maintain his mental focus. Just imagine Floyd fighting regularly and not being able to chose the fights he wants. We all may be singing a different tune by now. Another thing I think Floyd understands is conditioning. I think there's a misconception that if you bring pressure to Floyd he's gonna eventually wilt. Floyd doesn't wilt because he has great conditioning and stamina. I think everything Floyd does stems from fear. So when I look at Floyd I don't see his boxing ability as being unique, rather his mental state driven by fear, focus/discipline, and conditioning/stamina. When people fight in fear, they need to be extremely focused and eventually outlast their opponent. Floyd's life is dependent on his wins.


jacubi50 :

The only way to beat Floyd is to be as focused/disciplined and have superb conditioning/stamina. Skills are important, but having the right mental state is more important. So we all know why Floyd wouldn't fight Pacquiao. Pacquiao is a southpaw, has skills, a strong mental state, and great conditioning/stamina.


Radam G :

J50, danggit! That was nice. That was a masterpiece how you discribed that fear. The oldtimers, especially the late, great train Cus D'aMato, said that fear drives a smart pugilist to greatness, but can also cause him to wreck in cowardness. [As in the case of "Iron" Mike Tyson.] Cus also -- to the effect -- said fear is like fire, and you have to use it appropriately for the right situations. A part of the smartest of the boxing business is ducking, so that you don't get burn up. Cus never wanted the late, very good Floyd Patterson to fight the late, meanest a$$ thrasher of all times Sonny Liston. Liston had too much firepower, and Patterson had too much negative fear -- a self-raging fire that set his arse on fire, and caused him to be blown away like ashes from even the lightest punches of Liston. [And Iron Mike should not have gotten rid of Kevin Rooney and fought Buster Douglas and Lennox Lewis.] Lil' Floyd Mayweather, aka Money May, is no brave dummy like his late namesake. I doubt that Money May ever enters that squared jungle to face his -- only in his scary mind -- version of Sonny "Night Train" Liston. Money May is staying off the tracks of Da Manny Night Train. PAC! PAC! Hehehehe! Or is that Choo, Choo! Holla!


Money Jay :

OMG....a 5 page essay of false hopes. He can't, and won't be beat. Anyway you wanna fight him, he can fight that way. ***NEWSFLASH*** he's undefeated...this whole website is a bunch of Mayweather haters...."Here's the gameplan to beat Floyd"...."Mannys greater than Floyd"...all these hate fueled articles. Ya'll just mad bcuz the boy is a beast in that ring...instead of hating, you should appreicate his greatness in the ring, bcuz when he really retires..boxing is dead! #Moneyteamallday.


jacubi50 :

Randam G, thanks man!


ali :

Im my Floyd Mayweather voice there is no blueprint on how to beat me.


amayseng :

just watch the castillo first fight and you will see him beat


Radam G :

Small Money Jay and SCLA Ali are up in the hizhouze! Have some cojones -- Lil' Floydeligion DUDES -- and admit that you were scare as syet that Money May had been EXPOSED! Da Manny would beat him like DRUM! Holla!


Money Jay :

@ amyseng...you should look at all 3 of Manny's fights will Marquez, and you will see him beat...at least 2 of 3...not to mention the 3 L's he officially took...Compubox numbers don't lie...Floyd is on another level than these dudes...These hating a$$ authors need to stop it...#43-0


ill nino :

I liked this piece a lot. I don't think it was a hater article at all. Most of the article was on the author's perception of money's intricate techniques, and thus brilliance. Part of the fun of the sweet science is to examine the 'science' part of it, and we can all agree that, like him or not, floyd is one of the best scientists ever. Saying he's good because he has god given talent is too simplistic and probably discredits money for all the work it took to master the highly cerebral approach he is using. I'll definitely be looking out for some of what this article points out in future floyd fights. These X's and O's type of articles are f-in interesting as hell.


Radam G :

WOW! Now, now Small Money J J, you're going too far. "Compubox numbers don't lie!" TRIPLE BULL! Back in da day, the Galaxxy Nate Campbell got knocked da holy double fudge OUT while clowning! Compubox MISSED that PUNCH BIG TIME. Million complaints have been flooding for years about the humans pushing on computer pads to count the punches. They apparently don't know syet of what a counting punch is. And in this day and time, it is stupid to have them there miscounting syet. The techology is here to put nano computer chips, which will not miss syet, inside of the padding of the gloves. The human punch counters don't only not count scoring punches, but give imaginery punches to popular and/or favored pugilists. Biting off the ranting and raving of Uncle Roger saying that most people don't know syet about boksing, they also don't know syet about techology that will make the natural crooked sport straighter and cleaner. Dang Money Jay! The more that you hit that keyboard, the more one can see that your knowledge of the game is highly suspected. Detroit is a Mecca of boxing and knowledgeable cats about it. Wow! Hum! I wonder about your REAL. [Detroit fighters have HATED that compubox syet da double fudging most! Holla!


ultimoshogun :

@ MONEY JAY how much you got from licking ang sucking Gayweather jr ***? HATTON almost dead meat in just 2 rounds...your sister coward needs 10 of lucky punch to halt Hatton...DELA HOYA beat your sister Gayweather but PACMAN quits DELA HOYA in 8...COTTOs face like Hamburger and stop @ 12...your sister coward GaYweather jr cand even hurt Cotto jajajaja...whats your sister Cowards 43-0 all about? so funny GAYWEATHER JR the greatest CLOWN ever? YEEEES!
Chill out Beavis.


ali :

Go on YouTube and post your dum *** comments on TSS u have to actually have to have some boxing knowledge. Whatever the hell your name is..


the Roast :

@ MONEY JAY how much you got from licking ang sucking Gayweather jr ***? HATTON almost dead meat in just 2 rounds...your sister coward needs 10 of lucky punch to halt Hatton...DELA HOYA beat your sister Gayweather but PACMAN quits DELA HOYA in 8...COTTOs face like Hamburger and stop @ 12...your sister coward GaYweather jr cand even hurt Cotto jajajaja...whats your sister Cowards 43-0 all about? so funny GAYWEATHER JR the greatest CLOWN ever? YEEEES!
@Terd, if you want to bring some hate thats fine but you gotta do better than that. We don't use the "Gayweather" crap around here. Try harder next time junior.


Real Talk :

Good article, everybody has an off night or two. Hands and wrist can get hurt etc. We were body punching with on foot in a big tire at the gym. I went 6 rds with 6 different guys. The heavyweight I punished him, the old timer I took it easy on him, the super middle I knocked him out the tire. The white guy gave me some good work. The ones I had the most problems with were the 2 coaches. One in particular when it was one minute left got to chopping me with hard body shots I was throwing hard shots back but when the bell sounded I was gasping for air like I had asthma, then had to do it again when the bell sounded with the next one. Man I got some good work but those short guys give me the most problems. Less of a target I guess. I tell you one thing I'm going to run harder and train harder and build my body stronger for the next go round. Body shots take it out you. I think that body work from Cotto took a lot out of Floyd, that doesn't mean Manny can do it. I'm looking forward to getting a 2nd look at the fight with no distractions. Dueces


amayseng :

money jay, the compubox numbers show floyd landing 9 to 8 punches over cotto in round 6. horse ****.. i counted 19 landed for cotto...a landed punch need not be 100% clean, as long as it is landed with effectiveness i did have floyd winning 7 rounds in a good and enjoyable fight.... compubox is crap


Fe'Roz :

The only way to find out who the better man is in boxing is to "take the test and fight the best". Until Floyd says yes....and fights Manny 50/50 with the spoils to the victor, he has skipped the one critical test; the one that will determine who is best.


brownsugar :

they said Cotto was done... I've taken a beating or 2 in my life and didn't have the privilege of having the Marques of Queensbury Rules and a ref present to keep things fair... 1 against 12 is a hell of a disadvantage... but it wasn't debilitating. Cotto is only 31(4 years older),.. he showed that with the proper training and motivation he's more than match for anyone on the planet... I doubt that Pac would have gotten beaten him on May 5,.. and to Cottos's credit, the old version never ever took a back-step and would've gotten picked apart... today Cotto has a few new wrinkles courtesy of Stewart and Diaz. Never saw Cotto float for almost twelve rounds as easily as he was doing the Salsa Not to mention Mayweather wasn't 100%,.. Espn's ace correspondant Mulvaney confirmed the fact the fact that Mayweather had a bug... and a sore right hand.... he came in at 147 (after rehydrating) and won against a motivated opponent fight at his optimal weight...154+. Ali was such a polarizing fighter in his day that even an average opponent got highly motivated against him most of his opponents came into the ring at 110%. Cotto came in at 111%...after the fight even Alvarez isn't calling either fighter out. GBP is looking for a more "intermediary" opponent like James K. I have to say this was the most professional contest I've seen in years... the ref let them do their thing inside... without excessive interruptions... or point snatching. Fans were pleased and the Media has given their acclaim. whatever happens next..... you've been served.


admin :

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@Terd, if you want to bring some hate thats fine but you gotta do better than that. We don't use the "Gayweather" crap around here. Try harder next time junior.


brownsugar :

the Roast is my TSS champion, well said


Real Talk :

OK after the watching the fight a 2nd time I must come clean and say I was lunchin and Floyd one the fight. I had it 7 rds. to 5. I gave Cotto the 10th and 11th, I was distracted by people in here who act like they don't know to wait for the bell to ask me something. So I had it 6 to 5 Floyd after 11 and Floyd closed the show. So my bad Floyd >=-) between the Hennessy, the serving of appetizers and all the hooping and hollering I got distracted. Floyd fought a helluva fight, Cotto did too but came up a little short. He's still one of the greats and this is one for the archives. Dueces


brownsugar :

Finally (RealTalk),.. the Stars are back in alignment and the Cosmos is once again humming at the proper frequency.


brownsugar :

Blame it on the Henny!


undisputed34 :

You know...I wish we could like people's posts like Facebook...(most of) you guys can describe what's going accurately enough to where you almost don't even have to watch the fight...I swear, when I'm watching with typical fans I can barely enjoy the fight with all the non knowledge people toss around..


hernanday :

It is a fairly good game plan, but you do realize that Gamboa (the ideal mayweather matchup winner) is nothing as you describe. Look at Mayweather's worst rounds and closest fights -Oscar until round 8 where he won the last 4 rounds -Mosley in round 1 and 2 were he was rocked with big shots -ZAB Judah in 4 of the first 5 rounds, the first man to drop mayweather twice in one round -Mayweather in middle rounds vs Cotto -Mayweather stunned by a guy whose name I don't remember but his trunks look alot like a dress more than shorts. -Of all the fighters I've ever seen the one most likely to beat floyd is a guy called hector comacho, of course he is retired, and he lost to Oscar. but the ideal fighter/strategy to beat Floyd, based off his vulnerabilities in these fights: -Oscar's flurries -Zab Judah like southpaw, with a decent right hook to catch him when he is coming in throwing the left feint followed by floyd' straight right. -Decent power at least equivalent of Mosley's, but has the ability to counter on feints and has faster hands -MOST IMPORTANT Ability to get adjacent to Floyd (imagine standing infront of him looking at his shoulder as typical, now imagine being able to get Floyd facing you square, withno angles. all of a sudden that high shoulder guard means nothing) like Cotto in middle rounds and the guy in the funny trunks did. If you are standing right infront of floyd his defense works wonders. You can't hit him. Standing adjacent to him he can only go backwards or move sideways. The real reason why "getting him on the ropes" is seen as good is because it forces him adjacent and forces him square he can't give you angles and is forced to eat shots Other pluses: -Good at feinting, -controlling range, -timing, -great stamina, ability to change strategy. -No one single strategy can beat Floyd because he will figure out a way around it by 2-4 rounds, that's what happened in the Zab and DE la hoya fights. -Ability to push Floyd over. This is very simple, his defense involves spreading his legs rather wide, he doesn't get -Willingness to hit floyd in the body behind the left elbow and on the brest bone. these are still points in boxing, but are just neglected by head hunters or guys only wanting to land flush in the gut centre


ali :

youtube carlos ortiz vs flash elorde. ortiz shows you the key to beating a slick fighter
U keep saying that I looked at it the fight & I don't see why u think that sh*t is going to wrk against money


SouthPaul :

The game plan to beat FLoyd is; pretend he's my BFF... Walk him to the ring holding hands chanting Ring-a-round a Rosie, a pocket full of posies ..ashes ashes .. We all fall down or in this case Money May goes down on a 2 month bid... While we try to enforce a half assed take over of him and his pot of pinoy gold. Sincerely yours, FIddy Cent and whatever the fizzzzzzzcuk that lackeys name is? Lmao.


Radam G :

Hehehe! Fiddy was setup! Holla!


deepwater :

U keep saying that I looked at it the fight & I don't see why u think that sh*t is going to wrk against money
yes it will. look how ortiz gets rough on the inside. with 1 free arm he pounds kidneys then head,kidneys then head. chavez used same techniquique and was whooping floyd for the rounds he used it before he got clipped and his corner stopped it. there is no blue print yet until it happens is true. 50 is a rat and always will be.