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Monday May 3, 2010


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Should Floyd Be Ahead Of Manny On The P4P List?

By Ron Borges


      LAS VEGAS – Any more questions about Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

      If one remains it is only this – why is Manny Pacquiao ahead of him on most pound-for-pound rankings?

      Pacquiao ascended to that position not by beating Mayweather but by replacing him when the latter went into a 21-month, self-imposed exile after defeating Oscar De La Hoya and beating the considerable stuffing out of Ricky Hatton. He has marked his return to boxing by beating up Juan Manuel Marquez, with whom Pacquiao was life-and-death in two meetings, and Saturday night dominating Sugar Shane Mosley so thoroughly it seems fitting now to call him Saccharine Shane Mosley.

      That Mayweather outpointed the 38-year-old WBA welterweight champion hardly came as a shock. He was a 4-1 betting favorite after all and even long-time supporters of Mosley, like Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach, seemed to find it difficult to make a strong case for him. But it was the aggressively lop-sided way Mayweather did it and, more importantly, that he had to overcome a staggering moment in Round 2 along the way that left even De La Hoya loudly singing his praises after the bout had been decided.

      Always one to give opponents their props, De La Hoya called Mayweather “the greatest fighter on the planet’’ and “possibly the greatest of all-time.’’ The latter seemed a bit over the top, especially if you ever saw Sugar Ray Robinson at all, Muhammad Ali at his best, Henry Armstrong on film or Sugar Ray Leonard in his prime but his other point now seems unassailable. Maybe Pacquiao will someday prove his superiority but he’ll have to take a string of unwanted blood tests to get the chance and in De La Hoya’s opinion it may not be worth the bloodletting.

      “I did fight all three of them (Mayweather, Pacquiao and Mosley) and I have to be truthful,’’ De La Hoya said after Mayweather won 11 of 12 rounds on two of the three judges’ cards on his way to a unanimous decision that left Mosley humbled and red-faced from the lacing he took. “Mayweather is on a different level.

      “Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter. I would never ever disrespect his accomplishments. There’s no stopping Pacquiao (from aggressively coming forward and throwing punches). He’s the energizer bunny!

      “But he makes too many mistakes. When you do that against this guy you pay for it. It would be an interesting fight but Mayweather, by far, is the best. Mayweather is special. We have to respect that.

      “Floyd Mayweather’s ability to instinctively throw a punch and connect, that doesn’t come around but once in a lifetime. We didn’t see the Mosley we’re used to seeing. You’ve got to give that to Mayweather. We witnessed the best fighter on the planet. No doubt in my mind. No doubt in Mosley’s mind.’’

      There was some doubt in everyone’s mind at the Grand Garden Arena for a moment or two when Mosley landed two flush right hands to the face of Mayweather midway through the second round. Each jolted his head around as if it was on springs, the first knocking him off balance and the second wobbling him worse than anyone ever had.

      It was a moment like this that many of his critics had been waiting for. The only real argument you could make up to this point of his career was what would happen if he got hurt and had to dig deep and fight back. What happened was just what anyone who saw him fight Emanuel Augustus at Cobo Hall in Detroit 9 ½ years ago would have expected.

      That afternoon Mayweather had a bloody nose and was being belted from angles he never expected to see punches coming from. He was still young enough to not be quite sure what to make of it all but in the end he knew he had two choices – he could surrender or he could bite down on his gum shield and fight. He did and Burton’s cornermen ultimately had to come in and save him in the ninth round.

      Mayweather was faced with a similar problem after Mosley twice lashed him as solidly as he’s ever been hit. Would he panic and get himself into deeper water? Would he go into a defensive shell and take more punishment? Or would he fight?

      He fought, wisely until his head cleared but by the end of the round he was the one landing punches and in Round 3 he attacked Mosley with what would become the most important punch of the fight – a pulled counter right hand which comes when Mayweather sees the jab being launched at him.

      He rocks back a bit to avoid it and then rifles a straight right hand over the top of it, landing it so often in the middle of Mosley’s face that by the end of the seventh round there appeared to be a permanent red blotch from his chin to his forehead.

      It was a bruise, and a memory, that wouldn’t go away and neither would Mayweather, who by the end of that seventh round had written not only red but also the sad color of discouragement and resignation on Mosley’s face.

      “After awhile I think Mosley went into survival mode,’’ Mayweather (41-0) said. “All he was trying to do was survive. At one point I thought he was going to cough it up, but he held on valiantly.

      “I think he tried, but it's just me being able to show my versatility to adapt and adjust. My game plan was going to work, break him down in every way.’’

      That he did it so thoroughly seemed to stun Mosley, who in past fights had often been the one to make adjustments during the course of a fight that led him to victory. Certainly that was the case when he fought De La Hoya, especially in their first fight, but this time there were no adjustments to be made to what Floyd Mayweather brought into the ring.

      It is difficult to adjust to superiority, especially when it comes in every way possible. Before the fight Mosley had said he had a Plan A, a Plan B and a Plan C and he would not fail to use them all.

      Truth be told, if he’d had a Plan A-to-Z it wouldn’t have made a difference because Mayweather proved prophetic when he said on Wednesday “There’s a blue print to beat him. He’s been beat five times. I never been beat. There’s no plan how to beat me.’’

      Certainly Mosley didn’t have one, a fact he grudgingly had to acknowledge.

      "He was hurt real bad when I hit him with that shot,’’ Mosley said of his first big right hand. “I was that close to getting him. I think after I caught him with that big right hand I opened up to much and played into his hands.  I was too tight.  When I hit him with the big right hand, I thought I was going to get the knockout.

      “He started to avoid the punches.  He did surprise me.  Once I tried to get my timing back, I couldn't adjust and he did.’’

      He also couldn’t match Mayweather’s hand speed, agility or defensive wizardry. What Mayweather did to Mosley was take away the jab he thought he was going to land by countering him with so many quick, hard rights over the top of it that he simply stopped trying to throw it.

      Then he took away his sweeping right hook by either slipping it and countering or landing his own jab so hard and rapidly that Mosley kept finding himself dead in his tracks and unsure what was a safe punching distance and what was not.

      Finally, he took away his spirit, making clear to him in the final rounds there was nothing he could do but resign himself to defeat at the hands of a guy who, as De La Hoya admitted, was better in every way.

      "Mosley has very fast hands, but he doesn't have a jab,’’ growled Mayweather’s uncle and chief trainer, Roger. “He had tremendous hand speed, but it means nothing if you can’t hit the target. You've got to be able to hit the target. Mosley is fast if he fights somebody slow, but it's different if it's somebody faster. My nephew boxed his ass off. The fight wasn't even close."

      Indeed it was not and maybe one with Manny Pacquiao won’t be either. As Mayweather pointed out, Mosley was the 41st guy who said he had a plan but once the two of them were alone with each other inside four strands of rope that separated them from the rest of society, all his plans were like the wind – gone in an instant.  


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carvalho:  Brilliant, brilliant article. Congratulations, Mr. Borges.
Monday May 3, 2010 12:37:30 PM
El Maromero:  Pacquiao is the most exciting fighter to watch since Mike Tyson, but I haven't seen a better boxer than Mayweather. I was too young when Leonard was in his prime and Roy Jones was great too but his speed was his main attribute. A few weeks ago I mentioned that Floyd's ability to adjust is his greatest gift and it proved to be true.Once he measures his opponent it is pretty much a sealed deal
Monday May 3, 2010 12:50:41 PM
J Smutts:  I know the Pacfans are gonna stick to their guns and it's hard to break anyone away from their beliefs, but if the fight can be made between Pacman and Floyd, the same way that people were giving Shane a chance against Money May is the same chance that you have to give Pacman.... a puncher's chance! Pacman throws slews of punches in combinations that will only be sucessful against a stationary opponent. It is virtually impossible to unleash a 8 punch combination on a moving target! May made the decision to stand in there with Shane, that would not happen against Manny and that 1000 punches a fight count that manny puts out would be greatly diminished. Not only that, Manny fights on the balls of his feet while bouncing and he takes a half step back then explodes into his punches. A visual flaw that Floyd would be able to time and counter off of, and it would disrupt Manny's rhythm. I just can't wait for this fight to be made, and I hope that the Vegas setters set the line towards Pacquiao so that I can clean up on a Money May domination. I like Pacman, but I don't see him outside of a puncher's chance being able to offset Floyd with his style. It's made for Floyd!
Monday May 3, 2010 01:01:36 PM
j juelar:  you ranked #2 and fought the # 3 and u become #1? logic zero. fight the #1 and win and that's it.
Monday May 3, 2010 01:04:54 PM
Fe'Roz :  I'm off to work so I will address this later. My principal thoughts are the following: Floyd, like Sandy Koufax and some of the greatest baseball Pitchers in their prime (Pedro Martinez more recently) does his job so magnificently he can practically put all but the hardcore in his audience to sleep shutting out his opponent. Manny is the power hitter with blinding speed to boot. Ricky Henderson comes to mind. A small leadoff hitter with tremendous power and blinding speed. He hit more homers than anyone in that position, stole more bases and enthralled fans as he won more games and championships for his team doing so. I don't have to choose. I can admire both f these men. I loved SRL. I also thought Tommy Hearns was the most dangerous man alive. I've said it many times...you don't have to be a hater to see the greatness of two men.
Monday May 3, 2010 01:07:13 PM
Fe'Roz @ JSmutts:  Maybe. But rI wouldn't jump so far ahead. The afterglow of a fight is often put into perspective in the days and months to follow. You might be right. But many said the same thing after Manny's last fights.
Monday May 3, 2010 01:10:17 PM
J Smutts @ Fe'Roz:  I'm not drawing off of Saturday nights happenings, or Manny's last fight. I'm responding to both of their bodies of work and the styles make Floyd the habitual favorite to get Manny out of that rhythm that he fights off of. Floyd or anybody can't counter during a 7-8 punch combination, so you break the fighter's string of punches down to 1-2 with movement and counter there. Force manny to go side to side trying to cut off the ring and catch him inbetween his transitions from left to right where no one can mount an offense except for you. You can even catch a man off balance there and score easy (no hurt) knockdowns too. Have a good day at work Fe' Roz.
Monday May 3, 2010 01:22:43 PM
J Smutts:  Did I just give a Manny Pacquiao blueprint to a loss?
Monday May 3, 2010 01:25:01 PM
Muhammad:  I am a Pacman fan but I have to admit that Mayweather was breathtaking on Saturday night. I was hoping for an entertaining fight but instead got an absolute masterclass from PBF. He is not and will never the best ever - Ali will forever hold that - but surely PBF must now be counted amongst the top 5 in history? As for the Pacman - Mayweather probably holds the high ground now - I understand that the commision does not require blood testing but I think it's a step in the right direction for fighters to do these type of tests voluntarily. I applaud Money and Sugar for doing that. I feel Manny should take the test and make the fight. I am beginning to doubt whether Pac can beat PBF...but hopefully these two fighters will have fight and resolve this once and for all.
Monday May 3, 2010 01:35:29 PM
KA-BAR:  Ha-Haaa! I love this article! Pacquiao inherited a vacant #1 Pound 4 Pound ranking after the REAL #1 Pound 4 Pound king who fought his way to the TOP vacated it when he retired....sounds bout' right to me. I think you'd have to be insane NOT have Floyd as #1 POUND 4 POUND right now. There's no way you can even compare this fight to Pacquiaos last 5 fights because Mosley was not the weakest Titlist in the division he was the #1 Welterweight champion. Mosley did not come weight-drained and dead on his feet into a division he hadn't fought at in years! Mosley is not a damaged fighter he's never been knocked-out or battered inside the ring he's actually coming off 2 KO wins and one of which a tremendous win that surprised eveyone. I appreciate Pacquiao for what he is and that's a good lil' action fighter but for the real art of boxing there's only one master right now and after he retires Pacquiao can go right on ahead and inherit the #1 spot all over again if he wants it.
Monday May 3, 2010 01:52:36 PM
J Smutts @ KA-BAR:  Yessuuurrrr KA-BAR. I just posted on the topic of people calling Shane over the hill for this fight. Read below: Emanuel Steward even said during the telecast that he thought Shane Moseley would have put up more of a contest against Floyd. This is a man who is there from the best vantage points in any forum (if he is training a fighter, he is just outside the ring post) (if he is commentating, he is ringside speaking his thoughts as the fight transpires) (if he is counducting interviews during training, he is in the gym watching sessions happen). Almost every fight, Emanuel Steward blurts out at least once "When I talked to Floyd", or "When I talked to Shane" (whoever it is that is fighting thast night) he has some inside on where the fighter is mentally and physically. (I say mentally because as a trainer, you get a feel for these types of things) So Emmanuel had a good sense tht Shane was ready to take Floyd to the brink. Shane was #3 on the P4P list before this fight, and now people still want to cling to the "he was 39 years old" argument. I don't care if you are 50 years old, if you are still considered top 5 P4P and was called the only other option for Mayweather to not lose fans or respect since the Manny fight wasn't made......... how can you discredit the performance? This was THE welterweight champion and #3 P4P who beat the brakes off of the MOST feared man in boxing and took the belt from him too with a KO. This can't be brushed under the rug as Floyd vs A Geezer :0)
Monday May 3, 2010 01:59:23 PM
GOAT:  Nazim Richardson: "Shane is going to hit Floyd in the mouth and Floyd is going to grow wing, sprout a tail, and start shooting fireballs". That was the fight in a nutshell. PBF is the GOAT!
Monday May 3, 2010 02:10:16 PM
Frank Z:  in a word, no. he has to beat pacquiao first, which i think he will, but until someone removes him from the spot pacquiao is #1 p4p.
Monday May 3, 2010 02:30:58 PM
Frank Z:  and don't even start with floyd being the greatest boxer of all time. he's got the complete package of skills yeah but he's nowhere near roberto duran ray leonard, robinson. he's not better than a lightweight shane mosley, or a supermiddleweight roy jones.
Monday May 3, 2010 02:33:18 PM
Matthew:  It's a compelling argument. I think at the very least, they are 1A and 1B in the pound for pound rankings. It was an impressive performance by Mayweather on Saturday night. He showed real poise and grit after getting hurt badly in the second round, something he hadn't really had to do before against a top-flight opponent. While many talk about Mosley's strange lack of activity, I think Mayweather had a lot to do with that. He made Shane tired, and he made him not want to punch. Say what you want to about Mosley being 38, he was still considered a top five fighter before the fight. I would have given Mayweather more credit if he had done it five years ago, but you have to give Floyd his due for this one.
Monday May 3, 2010 02:44:43 PM
GOAT @ Frank Z:  GOAT is a subjective discussion. PBF has all the attributes of the above mentioned fighters. It's difficult to say that ANYBODY would beat PBF because we haven't seen him loose. I seen speed give duran problems, I've seen boxers give leonard problems, I've seen boxers give Robinson problems, I've seen southpaws give roy problems. Al of these problems resulted in losses for these fighters. PBF has not loss so how can anyone say he is not the GOAT? He beat fighters worse than anyone has before. I ve never seen Marquez look that bad, I'e nenver seen Shane look that bad, etc. PBF is the GOAT!
Monday May 3, 2010 02:48:31 PM
Fistic Fury:  In a word.... YES. Floyd is the best in the world now and maybe ever....
Monday May 3, 2010 03:05:23 PM
The Saint:  Floyd beat a guy who was a 4 to 1 underdog and did what everyone expected him to do. Furthermore, Mosley is not the #1 P4P. Since when does beating anybody other than the #1 p4p, let alone a washed up, inactive 38 year old whose been beaten 5 times. If the #1 spot was up for grabs, say because Pacquiao retired or looked horrible in his last fight, then maybe.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:19:54 PM
SpeaknDatruth:  Being p4p is not a concern of Floyd's, it's over rated and political, he is the most complete fighter in boxing. It's like belts. He's not concerned with belts. The fighter makes the belt the belt don't make the fighter. Hard work and dedication. SpeaknDatruth
Monday May 3, 2010 03:22:06 PM
richard eclevia:  if the fight between the pacman and pretty boy happens,pretty boy will be no longer called his monicker.maybe during his prime he will beat pacquiao.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:22:44 PM
jt:  PBF was caught in the second round but mosley didn't came in for the kill..pbf was exposed, what if pacman is the one who caught him with that same punch, then pbf is history coz pacman will go all over him, unlike mosley what mosey did. pbf fought a an old washed up fighter, older than dela hoya..im not impressed. the fight is boring.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:25:44 PM
Topper:  What is dela hoya talking about? Mayweather on different level? He quitted during the Pacquiao fight. I hope they can arrange a fight between mosley and pacman. Then we can judge:)
Monday May 3, 2010 03:28:02 PM
MisterLee:  Based on this recent performance, Floyd has an argument to being the best, based on the body of work, across the last 3-4 years, Manny definitely has Floyd beat. Floyd has the defensive skills and the ring iq, Manny has the speed, power, improved boxing skills, and the relentless endurance and fighting spirit, and the crazy footwork. I would say Manny by half a step, tho Floyd fought a better opponent in his last fight, but you can't take away the fact that a Clottey, Cotto, Jr. Welter Ricky Hatton, Marquez at featherweight, morales fights are better than Shane, Brusseles, Hatton at 147, marquez at 147, mitchell, judah, baldomir.... BUT pple can make an argument De La Hoya at 154 in 2006 was a lot better than we thought he was. DLH hit him with some strong left hooks upstairs and downstairs, had constant pressure, and was able to let his hands go even when he knew he was slower (I feel mosley knowing he was the slower puncher, which was the FIRST fight it ever happened prolly f'ed with his head, he was scared to fire). Holler! And pple are insane, mosley and pacquiao are not hte same fighter, floyd did not beat pacquiao thru beating shane or marquez, let's see the fight fo' sho!
Monday May 3, 2010 03:28:22 PM
cross uppercut:  i only say this: Mayweather is no match for the leader of the "PAC". he fights shane mosley, old, and not on his prime anymore, and coming from a 16 month layoff. is that what you call even? good move for mayweather he accepts that fight because of that. Manny do not accept rules to the boxer demanding it. only the NAC is the legit company for testing! it is done so many decades. and they do not fail. if you have drugs in your body, they can detect. if your clean... your clean. thats it!!!! no need for a blood to draw. a simple urine before and after the fight will prove you clean or a dirty fighter. thats it! floyd is just making himself nothing but a coward! asking only manny to draw blood. but the other fighters who floyd fought.. he didn't ask for it because he knows that he can beat them easily for they are not elite fighters! he didn't fight miguel cotto or antonio margarito for the year 2005 onwards! he fights baldomir instead, or zab judah, or gatti! he didn't fight those fighters who were elite.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:30:08 PM
mvp:  Loudmouth Mayweather has a great boxing (defensive) skills but can he win without the offensive skills. Another thing is he is BORING and is afraid to be hit. Definitely, the POWER and SPEED of the Pacman can make a difference.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:30:55 PM
herman hermit:  Yes, PBF is the goat after he fought a senior citizen, who was 15 months without a fight and surely you can see that his age was so clear while he shook his hands to try to confuse mayweather. this was reminiscent of leonard's last fight with camacho when at his late age he too was shaking his hands . Holmes too did it when he fought tyson. its clear pbf has beaten an old fighter. If he really is p4p why not just fight pacquiao andnot make alibi like olympic like blood testing which is stupid. the truth is pbf sucked the blood of ssm so he could beat him easily. he had 7 blood testing compared to ssm of 8, the last close to the fight so that ssm was weaken during the fight. this p0bf will do to pac to ensure his victory. is this what he calls level playing field. send usada /wada to the olympics not here at the professional boxing. they are in connivance with the mayweathers to cheat pbf's opponents. we dont trust the usada/tygart.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:31:10 PM
herman hermit:  if pbf is the best why not just fight pacquiao without any alibi and within the nsac rules. its all bs this talk that he is the best. how can he be proven the best if he makes a lot of stupid demands to fight pac? they said pac is one dimentional fighter way behind pbf, why not just fight him and prove his trash talking.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:36:47 PM
boydura:  Mayweather has not been beaten, on papers. But he lost to Castillo the first time. That's the blue print to beat him. I do not know what the judges are looking but clearly he lost that fight. Let's Manny vs Floyd starts!
Monday May 3, 2010 03:37:48 PM
frank:  pacman will knockout mosley at seven.easy target no head movement.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:38:32 PM
xander:  again with this it doesnt mean that pbf deafeated shane he can destroy pac that is just impossible the speed and the power is the difference. the pacman will eat pbf he cannot stay 12 rounds in the ring using his peekaboo style and just his counter punching
Monday May 3, 2010 03:40:13 PM
http://sportales.com/sports/pacquiao-and-mayweather-who-the-real-best/:  Pacman is relatively smaller than Mayweather, and Pacman never acknowledge that he is the best. The fans and the boxing scribes acknowledge that he is the best, but Mayweather is self proclaim great. If he wants to be the gretest he has to drop his blood testng demand and beats the guy many people called the greatest boxer of the era.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:40:48 PM
Cubano:  You have to beat the number one to be the number one. Its as simple as that. Beating an old, wash-up number three does not make you number one, or as someone was saying, the king of boxing. Before you become the king, you have to be the boxer of the decade....lol.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:42:10 PM
jmb:  Mayweather is so good, Mayweather is boxing scientist, Mayweather is this, Mayweather is that, Mayweather is blah blah,,, But ask him if he wants to fight Pacquiao... He will quickly hide on random blood testing. Is that what you called the best? Why he has not just fight under the original boxing commission rules like what he did before in his 40 fights if he is truly that good? Come on man... Let me ask you all please... What gonna happen if Mosley face Pacquiao instead of Mayweather? All of you will say, Mosely is too old if Pacquiao just not outbox Mosley but knock him out...
Monday May 3, 2010 03:44:24 PM
Mckoy:  Let me get this straight. The # 2 beat the # 3 and that automatically makes him # 1? What kind of messed up logic is that?!?!? MP has beaten to pulp the guy that beat the guy Mosley... If it was a Mosley vs MP fight... Mosley will get blasted into sub-atomic particles... with which Mayweather failed!!!
Monday May 3, 2010 03:48:27 PM
Fe'Roz :  Only one real way to settle this. In the ring !! Everything else is just opinion...or BS. There's still enough time (a trilogy anyone?) if these two can get past there negotiating issues. Yes, I said these TWO. Negotiations go both ways. There are no angels in negotiations. there never are. Both of these men have plenty of cash (now) so this fight will not be about money. But I want to say categorically that whoever does win....neither, I repeat.... neither man...is the Greatest of All Time. Your 'Personal Time' maybe....but not of All Time. Not even close. Anyone who thinks otherwise should join a Fan Club, not proclaim a broad knowledge of boxing history.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:51:38 PM
Fe'Roz :  I want to add one thing that I said a year ago but many disagreed. I said to 'let the pot brew' if you really want to see these two fight for serious Benjamins. Well, the kettle is red hot and the brew is now scalding. It's time to drink !!!
Monday May 3, 2010 03:52:11 PM
eddie:  floyd and pacman must fight. I think the blood test is ridiculous. this analogy is the reason why. floyd keep saying marquez has defeated pacquiao twice and he did not require him to take the blood test, so why would he require pacquiao to take the test? simple reason is he is too damn scared of pacquiao and thats all to it. like his father says he's got no balls,simple as that.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:52:46 PM
dd mana:  All what we say are just speculation. Debates over years will just go on and on unless they actually fight. If they don't want to fight then let it be. Move on boxing fans for this two greedy and self serving creatures only knows about themselves especially Floyd Mayweather.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:54:05 PM
nok nok:  Mayweather beat De la hoya by split decision. Pacquiao beat de la hoya by TKO or stoppage. Mayweather beat Hatton in the 10th round TKO. Pacquiao beat Hatton by a devastating K.O. in the 2nd round. Mayweather beat Marquez by a decision. Pacquiao Deck marquez 3x in the first round. Now you tell me who deserved the pound for pound king title?
Monday May 3, 2010 03:55:12 PM
cris:  if we talk about filipino boxers always come to our mind is Manny Pacqiuao. But if we talk about American boxers there's a lot of name come to our mind, ang its really hard to tell who's the best american boxer... Manny Pacquiao = discrimination from other americans, because his a filipino Floyd Mayweather = discrimination from other american, because his a BLACK american.. Promoters: GBP = discrimination, because the main man of GBP is Oscar de la hoya which is HISPANIC and not pure AMERICAN. TOP RANK = discrimination from black AMERICAN because the main man is BOB ARUM and his a white american... so it comes to an end that the world of boxing were living is nothing but a FULL OF FRAUD AND DISCRIMINATION..
Monday May 3, 2010 03:56:33 PM
Frank Z:  @ Saint he's been beaten 5 times by som eof the top boxers of recent times, when pacquiao's lost twice to a pair of nobodies, so by that logic floyd gets no credit if and when he beats pacquiao as well. shane was ring rusty and that affected him but so did the fact that floyd was stronger than he expected, hit harder than he expected, and took the fight to him throughout the middle portions of the fight. give floyd credit and realize that he has more than a good chance to school pacquiao. shane was 4-1 in the betting odds but a lot of people including manny steward said it was a dead even fight going in. @ GOAT, floyd did beat the top welterweight but look up the overall credentials of armstrong, robinson, and even leonard. leonard has duran, hearns, hagler, and benitez on his scalp list. floyd has some good names but no great names yet. a lot of that is a product of era. duran was 73-1 before he met leonard and he avenged his only loss in that stretch. armstrong went something like 57-1 during a couple of years stretch and won the belt in 3 weight classes which is the same as unifying belts in 5 weight divisions today. ray robinson knocked out gene fullmer who had never been down as a 36 year old, and outboxed the lightheavyweight champ as a middleweight for 13 rounds before the 100+ degree heat got him. so no, money may is not the GOAT, he's just the GOTT, greatest of THIS time.
Monday May 3, 2010 03:57:40 PM
LC:  Floyd had LIFE and DEATH against Castillo in which he was ROBBED completely. Funny this was never mention. So PAC had trouble with JMM at 130 & 126. JMM fought Floyd at 144, in which JMM had no business. He beat Mosley who was rank #1 in WW who beat Margo. But Margo used bricks against Cotto. So COTTO should be #1 prior Pacquaio, which PAC utterly dominated Cotto. Meanwhile, Mosley at age 38, overtrained, and was hurt him being inactive for 17 months where Floyd clearly was 4 to 1 favorite. Floyd deserved #1 status not until he beat PAC.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:00:42 PM
Pince:  I really don't know what is in Mayweather's mind. Its obvious he want a fair level field, all i say is, if the PACMAN's counter offer to mayweather demand regarding bloodtest could be effective, then why not take the bargain? I Say, take some advise from experts if the 24days testing cut-off that PACMAN wants will be effective, and if it can be, then take. But he's no taking it, that only shows that he wants to put PACMAN in a disadvantage and gain momentum come fight night.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:01:28 PM
tdogg:  NO EXCUSES,im not sayin AGE,RING RUST or any other excuse ppl r using..FLOYD is superior 2 all (including PACMAN) but i will say pacman will make him b on point 4 a few rds then FLOYD will pick him apart like all others..i think floyd deserves tha top slot cuz he gave it up when he retired so now he should return 2 his spot ...look @ it this way if floyd would hav never retired pacman will still b #2 so when vitali retired he keep tha title on emeritus status ..floyd should be given tha same respect ..he is 41-0 & proved he deserves tha slot he never lost..just my opinion..lets see if we can get this pacman fight done...pacman will push him but floyd will prevail due 2 his boxing skills,defense & ability which is the BEST whether sum admit it or not...
Monday May 3, 2010 04:02:16 PM
Wengz2002:  If that Mosley fought Pac, he would not get past 8 rounds! He seemed to gas out very early. Mayweather wins against his opponents with wide margines! Pac destroys his opponents!
Monday May 3, 2010 04:06:04 PM
dan:  Ron: The argument that Manny went life and death with JMM 2x and Floyd destroyed him is garbage. Manny fought JMM at his optimum weight, 126 and 130 - Floyd fought him at 146 - 2 lbs over the agreed upon weight limit and and 11 pounds more than JMM's last weight class of 135. So that argument is out the window. Granted, he did beat down Shane, so I give him props - but his victory over JMM is not valid in this argument.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:09:29 PM
Ed @ GOAT @ Frank Z: :  "I ve never seen Marquez look that bad, I'e nenver seen Shane look that bad, etc. PBF is the GOAT! " Likewise, I never seen Hatton which is bigger than Pac with only one loss that bad and which Floyd took 10 to put away....Floyd beat on smaller guys, Pac retires bigger guys!
Monday May 3, 2010 04:10:06 PM
The Saint:  In spite of what Floyd may have you think, he cares about being recognized as the #1 pound for pound fighter in the world. With De La Hoya's totalitarian control of the Ring Magazine, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather take Pacquiao's place as the Ring Magazine's #1 p4p fighter. If that happens, The Ring would've forfeited any integrity it has left. Also, it means that Floyd's #1 p4p status could change even if nobody ever stepped inside the ring with him to take it from him. It makes the whole #1 p4p meaningless. I could almost understand if Mosley beat Mayweather, for Mosley to take the #1 spot, considering Floyd's reputation, undefeated record and the fact that Mosley was a huge underdog. But for Floyd to get the #1 p4p status on beating Mosley's name and nothing else would be a travesty.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:11:53 PM
Astroboy:  1 KO in 5 years. Does that answer your question?
Monday May 3, 2010 04:16:18 PM
Warlock:  Ron Borges is back again with his Floyd Mayweather Man Crush. Pound for Pound best means a boxer/fighter moves up and down different weight classes and continues to dominate. You mentioned JMM and that Manny Pacquiao fought him to life and death, well open up your eyes since they fought at JMMs optimal weight of 130 where Manny had a hard time making weight. Any you actually believe Dela Hoya who has lost all of his credibility whatsoever. A man who chokes on big fights consistently and kisses ass tho whoever is hot and popular. I will never discount Floyd's skills because his boxing acumen is bar none unparalleled. But Manny is in a run of successive fights where he destroyed fighters who 3-4 years ago, none of us can even consider it plausible. There are still welterweights were Floyd has not fought. One victory against an almost 39 year old fighter (inactive for 18 months) should not just suddenly bolt him to the top spot. If he beats Manny then he deserve #1 for obvious reasons but until that happens, it will take Manny to lose or look bad against decent competition for it to happen.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:18:29 PM
Vigood:  Excuse me. Didn't Mayweather just beat a 38 year old man? Did n't you see Mayweather holding on to Mosley's arm for dear life in the second round? Mosley had a two gallon tank for a twelve gallon job. Now Mayweather is the greatest for beating a 38 year old man who was completely out of gas after two rounds?
Monday May 3, 2010 04:18:30 PM
El Maromero:  Floyd's career still has a few fights left but it's clear that even if he beats the best ones left you can't really compare to the ones that Leonard beat. A prime Cotto would have been a great fight for Floyd but he wasn't there. I wouldn't be surprised if they fought at 154 depending on how he looks against Foreman
Monday May 3, 2010 04:19:22 PM
Jerric Reeves:  What is pound for pound anyway? Will a technical boxer, punch and run be considered a pound for pound fighter?
Monday May 3, 2010 04:21:17 PM
My:  Dont see any reason to put Floyd on top. He had beaten who? Grandpa Shane Mosley, only? I bet Grandpa Shane will be knocked out cold by Pacman in 5. Mayweather? if Floyd wish to be on top, he should first get it on with Pacman in the square circle, otherwise, can't convince the world that he can be considered GOAT. No way. If you will just assess how this floyd talk, it is shameful the boxing organization allow this guy to participate in boxing. Don't deserve any honor. He is all money and he even committed defamation against God after the very boring fight. Watch the replay and judge for yourself. The greatest boxers i know used their fame for a very good cause. But Floyd, not even a slight hint he deserve to be considered greatest. Check his attitude. And check the effect on the young kids who watch and listens to him how he talks. What a shame. Can't undertand why Americans are being fooled by this fool mayweather?
Monday May 3, 2010 04:21:22 PM
guy:  the fact is... what ever the sanctioning drug testing commission whants, whens and hows the drug test they will coduct, mayweather and pacquiao must abide by those rules!!! and for sure the mayweathers, floyd, father and uncle will be in for a shock of their lives, they will surely be knockout by pacquiao at the same time in the same ring!!!
Monday May 3, 2010 04:23:01 PM
Puncher:  Floyd won fair and square. No excuses and did get hit but knew how to regroup. Great defense and offensive skills. Not much foot movement.....just his torso up abilities. Lets crown the king until somebody else defeats him in the ring. The rest is just plain BS!
Monday May 3, 2010 04:23:31 PM
MM:  Mayweather beat up Manuel Marquez? it is one of the most boring fight the people have seen and you Mr. Ron the author is twisting and covering the facts that Mayweather is 2 lbs heavier than the agreed catch weight of 144 lbs and Marquez is bloated because it is not the normal weight of Marquez. And Mr. Author maybe you dont know that when Pacquiao fought Marquez he was the one who go up in weight and Pacquaio knock him out in just 1 round and it has been all over the news that the judge admitted that he made a mistake in scoring the 1st round. Marquez, and Mosley are under GBP so it is not surprising that there will be a conspiracy just to ruin Pacquiaos name. Did Marquez, Hatton and the over rated Golden Boy Dela Hoya knock out Pacquiao? No they dont have the power and skills to beat Pacquiao and this durg testing thing of mayweather is just to leverage him from Pacquiao. Even playing field?Now the Mayweather is telling that they are just voicing their opinion but if you are insinuating that Pacquiao is on PED Pacquiao has the right to sue them. Why Mayweather is afraid of Pacquiao? Pacman is smaller than him and they are telling of even playing field?
Monday May 3, 2010 04:31:19 PM
bill major:  to bad floyd wasnt around with leonard,,duran, hearns, hagler dejesus,buchanan etc.. then he would have been able to prove his worth.it takes a great to show a greater and they're just arent any aside from manny .i dont know if floyd could have handled hearns or a prime roberto duran??? they re a different breed than the guys today . they fought often for less money and were always hungry . thye 70"s and 80"s were just terrific! guys not around then missed something special. hey, the undercard wasnt bad at all! we all were complaining but it was alright.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:50:11 PM
ultimoshogun:  Like Fe'Roz said, only way to settle it is in the ring.....right now I have them even on the P4P list, but I'll take Floyd in a head to head match up. @MisterLee, Shogun vs The Dragon this weekend.....who ya got?
Monday May 3, 2010 04:51:31 PM
riverside:  Floyd should be the top p4p, he beat Mosely at his game and pitched a shutout, Mosely is far from done, Mosley was also a heavy underdog against Margarito. Moneyweather showed some chin out there, but that is not his game to get hit.He looked awesome against a gamed but not over the hill Mosley
Monday May 3, 2010 04:55:28 PM
LC:  Floyd already knew the "excuses" once after he beat Mosley. He's too old and past prime. Floyd only wait to fight fighers past their prime. He knew this excuse will come up. It' wasn't a suprise that the outcome was exactly how he predicted it would. No need to HYPE Floyd any further without fighting PRIME Pacquaio.
Monday May 3, 2010 04:57:55 PM
Yuvie:  Surely Pacquiao has to do something wrong, it's understandable if he hasn't fought more than once in a year but at the end of the day, Pac just dominated two top welterweights, Mayweather just the one. For now Mayweather stays at number 2. Look everyone has opinions on P4P. Until these two fight then there probably won't be a universal number 1. Probably level at the top is the best option. As much as I loved Mayweather performance, if Pacquiao had got Floyd in the same position in the second round, what would have happened? It'll be interesting. Pac won't gas out after two rounds like Mosley seemed to do. However, on the other hand, Pacquiao has shown too often that he can be hit very easily, whether he can take the kind of shots that Mosley took is another matter. I still don't think Pac's chin has been tested enough at welterweight. On that basis, I make Mayweather the favourite but not p4p number 1 until he takes that fight. Also, it was pretty easy to call that fight. No faulting Mayweather, he at least came out more aggressive but I always knew that would be the outcome. It was as much about Mosley's failings as it was Floyd's performance.
Monday May 3, 2010 05:33:57 PM
MIMIK:  To J Smutts: The only thing we can know WHO IS THE BETTER man is to make them fight. We should convince them to fight!
Monday May 3, 2010 05:36:22 PM
Rick:  Your Kidding ...right? He beats an old Oscar, then two 135 pounders and a great fighter on his way out. Now he's the greatest? Oh brother.......let him fight Paul Williams. Roy Jones fought everyone and then went up and beat Champions!!! NOT down in weight. Floyd, I will say, is very smart. Tell him to call out Paul Williams..Kermit Citron.
Monday May 3, 2010 05:47:11 PM
mark:  PBF did a good job against Shane. Its true that defensively and as a tactician Money is the best. But you have to consider that PAC offensively is the best and has a strong chin look at the Cotto fight. I know there is a strong case in putting PBF as number 1 but hey Shane ran out of gas after the 2nd round when he could have accelerated his work rate. Oscar De Lahoya on the other hand has always been biased with fighters that he promotes. It seems only fair that to really settle who is number 1 is in the ring.
Monday May 3, 2010 05:53:33 PM
BoxerBOY:  if pacman the one figthing Mosley what do you think will happen to Mosley? just a question!.....
Monday May 3, 2010 06:01:26 PM
Isaiah:  Hey, everyone wants to see a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight. This is the ONLY way we can truly settle this debate. For my money, Saint is right. You can't be the #2 guy and beat the #3 guy and be bumped up to #1 unlesss the #1 guy has shown he isn't worthy to be #1 anymore. Since November last year, Manny Pacquaio who is the actual #1 guy on the pound for pound list and at welterweight has dominated 2 top 5 welterweights, Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey. Combine that with Miguel Cotto's win over Shane Mosley and you must admit that as immpressive as Mayweather's dominant win over Mosley is, all it does is keep him at the #2 spot. Manny Pacquiao has been facing the best opposition where this is Floyd's first time fighting an elite welterweight since... well... I'd like to say EVER, but I'll be nice and just say since he unretired. Look folks. It's simple logic. Manny Pacquaio fought 2 of the best guys in boxing's most dangerous weight class, beat them beyond a doubt and on top of that, did that in like what? 4 months! Floyd HAD to fight Shane Mosley. Mosley is one of the best as well, but he was the only guy left worth fighting. Don't try and make this more than what it is. Floyd is still #2 and Manny is still #1. Manny has been active. He's been fighting big challenges and no one can say otherwise. I give credit to Floyd Mayweather for what he did Saturday night, but he is NOT #1 again YET...
Monday May 3, 2010 06:03:32 PM
Radam G:  There will always be guessing and messing with where Manny belongs in the P4P rankings. In the similar words of the late, great movie actor Clark Gable, We Pinoys "frankly don't give a damn" where Money May is ranked. Be a Pac-hater or that "Ugly American" full of jingoism and put him at number one. For one thing is for sure, though, if Money May becomes delusional about what he was suppose to do -- shutout Sugar Shane -- and braves up get in step in that squared jungle with Manny, he (Money May) will get kayoed. AND QUICKLY! I will say in four rounds or less. Styles make fights. And some styles cannot beat certain other styles. As I said last year, Margarito has no chance against Mosley and will get knocked out. As I said last week, Mosley has no chance of beating Money May. And I will say it here and now. Money May has no business fighting PacMan. PacMan is small indeed, but dynamite small. He will knock Money May out and end his career. With all that said, Money May is a student of the game and the greatest pound for pound pure boxer of all times. Fanfaronades who haven't ever been in that squared jungle or around the game don't know dilly squat or have a piss pot. Real BOXING, as I have said before, is full of optical illusions. The best of pugilism are great at magic. And they know every trick of the trade. As I said, Sugar Shane's optical illusion would be exposed by Money May. And it was. The Sugarman could not get to the target or away from being a target because of his waterlogged, slow-a$$ feet. This dude has the slowest foot speed and foot work in the history of the welterweight class. Uncle Roger said it well, "Fast hand didn't do Shane no (sic) good. He couldn't get there to hit nuffin.'" Holla!
Monday May 3, 2010 06:10:20 PM
Fe'Roz @ Riverside:  I hope you're right about Shane but I'm going to have to disagree. I think he is finished...or very near the end. not as a prize (money) fighter. That would be foolish. But as an elite contender. He saw the future and it didn't look anything like what he thought it would. he'll be 39 years old. Boxing, unlike Golf, doesn't really do Masters/Seniors. The end has approached for Shane ...whether he admits it or not. It comes for everyone. Every great has the day when they see the openings close before their body allows them to react first. This was Shane's night. Floyd did something very similar to what Manny did to Oscar. He shut him down so badly that Shane will have a hard time convincing himself otherwise. With Oscar (who you'll recall was the prohibitive favorite by all), we learned well after the fight that he knew in sparring that he was done. But there is a huge difference with Shane. Money. ODLH had and has lots of it and huge earning potential. Shane has some. so he will fight. but I believe (until proven otherwise) that we have seen the last of the Shane Mosely of Old. Remember, before Floyd, he was 8-5 with one ND in his last 14 fights. Floyd said it himself....over and over. Now he's 8 and 6 .....heading for numbers 7 and 8. That's just how it rolls.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:22:26 PM
Fe'Roz @ Radam:  I've seen you right...and I've seen you wrong. Sometimes frankly I don't even have a clue what you're actually saying. But I have never ever seen you foolish. With your insights and history, we'd be fools not to listen. I'm curious though...... Why precisely are you so certain about the outcome of Floyd and Manny. If they fight. pc
Monday May 3, 2010 06:29:15 PM
Radam G:  Money May is going to jump two division to middleweight and beat up on Sergio Martinez is my prediction. The Money Man is tired of hearing nostalgic knuckleheads scream about him to not say that he is better than analog broken record Sugar Ray Robinson. That's RIGHT!!! SRR was one broken vinyl record on a record player turntable. Darn! I thought those things was used with for rappers to get down with scarching (word misspelled or misused). Money May is a digital fighter who can adjust and change up. SRR was analog. The same darn, moves over and over. Jab, jab, right, wild hook and uppercut, clinch, head behind the head on the clinch, break, jab, right cross and fall in, CLINCH! RABBIT PUNCH! Break! Dance to the left, step to the right, jab, jab, right, wild hook, uppercut, clinch, rabbit punch. Go on the rope and get hit 15 times while making the opponent miss about eight times. Repeat the same jive over! FUDGE Sugar Ray Robinson and CHEER for MONEY MAY!. He is the BEST PURE BOXER OF ALL TIMES! Get over yesteryears being better than where we are. I love my iTunes, iPad, iphone, iPod, iBank, i-every fudging thing, including iBoxers. Later for that nonsense of yesteryears. We everything is better. Holla!
Monday May 3, 2010 06:32:39 PM
Isaiah:  Oscar De La Hoya is so full of crap. I guess his stance has nothing to do with that he can still make money off of Floyd Mayweather. He says he fought Mayweather, Pacquaio and Mosley, but gives Mayweather the most credit. Really? Didn't Shane beat Oscar in his prime? Didn't Pacquaio beat Oscar far worse then anyone else has, even Bernard Hopkins? I swear. Look at this bias. How is Mayweather the best boxer ever? I saw "welterweight" and middleweight tape of Sugar Ray Robinson, not to mention Willie Pep and Henry Armstrong on tape. Tell me another one! LOL!
Monday May 3, 2010 06:37:13 PM
Radam @ Fe'Roz:  Note that you have seem me right 95 percent of the time and wrong five percent. I'm pretty righteous with being right. That is just my human factor. Holla!
Monday May 3, 2010 06:40:51 PM
The Saint:  @Frank Z: The difference between Mosley's losses and Pacquiao's is that all of Mosley's losses took place when he was at or near his prime. Pacquiao's two most devastating losses came when he was practically an amateur. Also, sticking to the topic of the article, how could you become #1 on the merits of beating someone who not only is not the #1, but is also considered ranked BELOW you. If Mosley beat Mayweather, Mosley would have a strong case of being the true #1 p4p considering the reasons I've stated previously.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:41:06 PM
HIS STORY:  Obama is a more significant president than FDR. FDR made Lincoln look like Washington. Lincoln made Washington look like King George. Long live the King is yesterday's news. Twit your friends. Sara Palin is your Savior !! Saul Alvirez your future!
Monday May 3, 2010 06:42:57 PM
Fe'Roz :  I love Oscar .... but his credibility on P4P is as meaningful as Bob Arum's. None. They are promoters.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:44:19 PM
Yuvie:  I agree Isaiah. Oscar talks alot of crap. The only reason he says this is because he has stakes in Mayweather. Plus there's always been a dislike for Pacquiao for a while now. Pacquiao destroyed Oscar's in-ring reputation. Sorry to the mayweather fans and all, no question his performance over Mosley was great but dude's had an easy career path compared to any of the former and current greats bar maybe Roy Jones. Anyway, this needs to stop. These little online discussions keep repeating and repeating the same sh*t and going round and round in circles when you involve Pac & Mayweather. I think we need to just appreciate these guy's performances when they do get in the ring and worry about their legacy after they've retired. Anything can happen by then.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:47:45 PM
The Saint:  @Isaiah: Don't forget that DLH once said that Pacquiao didn't hit hard and then changed his story during the Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations and said that he couldn't tell the difference between Pacquiao's, Mosley's and Vargas' punches. Don't forget that DLH blogged that Whitaker was the best boxer he's ever fought, and this was after he has already fought Mayweather. The man has no integrity whatsoever, this we already know. He has promotional rights of some sort over Mayweather he'll say what he has to say. The thing is, though, there's no one left for Mayweather to fight but Pacquiao. I can see Mayweather going for Andre Berto who's been exposed by so many fighters, I'm sure they'll be able to sell that fight, but knowledgeable fans won't pay to see it.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:48:50 PM
Yuvie:  Also, I forgot to add....let's just look forward to the damn Williams/Cintron fight now and if MMA's your 'other' thing, then Machida/Rua II.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:49:08 PM
Radam G:  Boxers are beaten because somebody knows how that person does his magic. So once you know the trick, the illusionist, magician or whomever can no longer do it on you. Money May is a master at optical illusions. PacMan is a master at not watching for the operation of the optical illusion. He will kayo Money May in the fashion that Marvelous Marvin Hagler kayoed Tommy "Hitman" Hearns back in the day. Money May meets his match and speed of hand and feet in a dance with PacMan. And Money May hates southpaws. He openly said after his beatdown of the Sugarman that he was more hurt by southpaws Chop-Chop Corley and Sugar Zab Judah than by Shane. I agree. Go back in look at the replay, and you will see Sugar Shane doing a trick of the trade -- stepping on Money May's toe and kneeing him in the hip. If Money May would not have grabbed Shane's arm, Money May would have went down for his first offical knockdown. When Manny hits him early he won't have jack, jill, or a hill to hold on to. Holla!
Monday May 3, 2010 06:50:35 PM
RED:  In all honesty, I still have to tentatively pick Manny as P4P king at the present. His destructions of Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, added to his total dominance of Joshua Clottey (not to mention the fact that he made Oscar De la Hoya, old or not old, quit) make the latter part of Manny’s curriculum vitae more impressive than Floyd's. Floyd, however, disposes of opponents with such an ease and proficiency that I cannot see him lose to anyone. They are, incredibly, the bizarro forms of each other. Manny wins by bombing his foes to oblivion. Floyd wins by dismantling his foes to nothing. Basically, they both see opponents like a Jenga game. Manny just punches the tower of wooden blocks off the table. Floyd deconstructs the tower block by block quicker than one can say “over”. In the end, they both leave just ragged remains of what once was a solid fighter. Frankly, whomever came up with the slogan for the Floyd-Mosley fight, “Who R U Picking?”, got it wrong. That’s the slogan they should have used for a Floyd-Manny fight.
Monday May 3, 2010 06:52:13 PM
SpeaknDatruth:  If Floyd would not have fought Mosley you would have said he's ducking him. He did what he had to do. Your excuses are so far fetched! Floyd is the P4P most complete boxer in boxing bar none. SpeaknDatruth
Monday May 3, 2010 07:03:01 PM
Isaiah:  That what I already said Red about a possible Pacquaio/Mayweather fight. If there is a fight that could be made now that could be called, "Who R U Picking?" This is it. I've been wrong before, but I think Pacquaio knocks Mayweather out bad. So, I think most of us can agree on 2 things. We all want to see this fight and Oscar De La Hoya is SO full of crap.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:03:04 PM
deepwater:  how the f could floyd be the best ever yet? he isnt even top 20 all time. he is #1 today. i give him one notch over pacman. if pound for pound could be a tie i would have them both as #!. the fight has to happen.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:06:11 PM
Radam G:  Money May said something really smart during the postfight news conference. "Being a boxer is like being a cop, one shot and your career or life is over." This why Money May should not and probably won't, for his sake, fight PacMan. He may get 50mil in a big bout with the Pac. But if he is injured, that is it. Against elite boxers, like Berto, Martinez and against bums like Paul Williams and Margarito, he will get 30mil a piece and still will have his senses and opportunites to make much more money. The Irish GOAT Ali could fought bums, kept his health and made much more money by not fighting Norton and Fraziers a third time and not fighting Ernie Shaver at all. These dude messed GOAT Ali up. Larry Holmes just finished the job. I believe that GBOAT Money May is smart enough to continue to prizefight and never pridefight. Fighting Manny will be for pride, not prize, and it will end it career and earning ability. GOAT Ali went from 3mil to a 150thous in his last dance. I'm out for the night. I gotta go on the Pac campaign trail in a few hours. Time to hit the pit. Holla!
Monday May 3, 2010 07:06:14 PM
deepwater:  pacman probably would of finished floyd in the secound round though
Monday May 3, 2010 07:06:50 PM
Fe'Roz @ Radam:  Interesting analogy. Hagler basically could have cared less what Tommy Hearn did and/or intended to do. MMH did what he always did. WAR ! There was, however, one optical illusion that night that I'm sure you'll remember. It was the in lights that Tommy was looking up at telling him the fight was over.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:11:17 PM
SpeakDaTruth:  Forget P4P. Forget PED. I just got my GED !!!
Monday May 3, 2010 07:12:59 PM
mortcola:  Floyd is a genius at neutralizing his opponents strengths and capitalizing on their weaknesses. At this, he is a magician. And it has been good enough to make him dominant in most of his professional rounds. But, most complete fighter? He doesn't qualify. He throws few combinations, and loses his snap and accuracy when he does. He is almost entirely a counterpuncher; when he goes on the attack, and does it impressively, it stands out because it is out of character. He has been wobbled or dropped by single shots- but came back well. Never had to fight well in a firefight - partly because he shut down the opposition to make a firefight a non-issue, but partly because - and here I go again - he has not yet fought a dangerous fighter anywhere near his prime. Floyd is a phenomenal ring athlete and scholar. But I like to look at details, context, and history. He has not had the challenges the greats have had, and he has not had to go outside his comfort zone much in his career. When he did, against Castillo, he nearly lost; against Judah, for a few rounds, he looked beatable. To his credit, he didn't lose, never even looked bad for a minute. But when I compare his opponents to the opponents of the Greats - skill for skill, record for record - Floyd does not yet have any of the trials overcome which characterize Louis, Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, and Hagler. Even Holmes. See, its not that I think he can't do it. Its that he hasn't, for reasons discussed elsewhere. If he keeps up at this level at welterweight or higher, dominates top young contenders and guys on the level of Margarito, WIlliams, Berto - the best out there - then he will have earned his historical place, not just his "gosh, that guys amazing!" accolades. Earn. Beautiful word.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:14:15 PM
huh and what:  Floyd is good. Manny is good. This fight needs to happen between them only way we gonna find out. Floyd has the style to cause Manny big trouble. Manny has the style to cause floyd big trouble. I will say this Floyd has never experienced ANYTHING like manny pacquiao. This wiil be the first time ever Floyd steps into the ring against someone who is athletically his superior. If Floyd doesn't get blitzed by mannys speed and power early it will be a very close fight. If Floyd slows Manny's punch output or gets him second guessing himself Floyd will take it.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:16:52 PM
HeNeverSawTheHookComming:  Look all of this comparing fighters of different era's is ridiculous! Armstrong, Robinson, Louis, Lenoard, Monzon, Duran, and Hearns were all great in their era's, but in this day & time there is no one better than Floyd! All of the naysayers said: what would Floyd when he gets hit with a big punch? Well he got hit by two of them! One flush on chin and the other one was on the temple! Now I don't know how many of you cat's have had the chance to be hit on your temple, but when that happens it is usually goodnight (Hearns was only clipped by Hagler and he was out)! So PBF answered the questioned if he had heart! Another misnomer about is all he does is run and fights defensively! Well like the professor said in the movie The Waterboy: Looks like mama is wrong again! Floyd showed everyone what The Sweet Science is all about, staying in the pocket countering off of mistakes by his opponent, making Shane miss, landing lead right hand, and killing him with the jab! All of this done while standing right in front of Shane! Do you know what that is called? Well that is called a Master-Boxer putting a lacing on a fighter. Floyd is like HBO, Simply the Best! Please spare me about what Pacquiao would do if he was in the ring with Money, It wouldn't be pretty because Manny has been killing fighters with his speed! The problem against Floyd he is not faster than Floyd and plus he makes way too many mistakes in the ring and the PBF would capitalize on everyone of them. Floyd's is the most compose and relax fighter i have ever seen and that is the reason why he never tires in fights! Once again HeNeverSawTheHookComming.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:19:40 PM
Isaiah:  First of all, Floyd Mayweather should take a cue from my #1 heavyweight of all time Joe Louis who was a beast in rematches. Louis lost to Max Schmelling the first time as well as struggled big time with Jersey Joe Walcott and Billy Conn the first time. On each guy the second time around, Joe Louis was far better. Mayweather needs a big time challenge. Mayweather needs his adversary. Mayweather NEEDS Pacquaio. Every all time great runs into that fork in the road. Muhammed Ali had his Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. Rocky Marciano struggled big time with Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles the first time. Larry Holmes ran ino Michael Spinks. Sugar Ray Robinson had Jake Lamotta and Randy Turpin. Sugar Ray Leonard had Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler. Etc. Once again, Mayweather NEEDS Pacquaio. Pacquaio is his Joe Frazier. Pacquaio completes Mayweather. LOL! In all seriousness, EVERYONE that is ranked as an all time great, had that guy that TRULY brought out their absolute BEST! Mayweather MUST fight Pacquaio to CEMENT a legacy. All the other guys didn't need special rules to make this happen. Strip this down to the bone guys. You either want to fight or want to make excuses why not to fight. When your're basically saying on one hand that you can beat that guy easily and on the other hand, you're saying... that guy is so good he must be on drugs... What Mayweather is ACTUALLY saying is that, "I'm too scared to fight Manny Pacquaio and need an excuse to not do it because he has been looking to good." BOTTOM LINE. IS MAYWEATHER A MAN OR A MOUSE?
Monday May 3, 2010 07:30:22 PM
Frank Z:  @ Radam, i agree manny will be a tougher challenge than mosley cause he's more fluid and relaxed in the ring,and of course younger and quicker,but to say that he's the only one who can end the career of mayweather is pretty insulting to other boxers. anytime you're climbing into that ring against a legitimate world class boxer you're taking a huge risk, especially for 36 minutes at a time. that being said the chess match between maywether and pacquiao will be interesting to watch, and how mayweather handle's pacquiao's 8 punch combos will be fascinating because he will either elevate his game or tuck his chin and allow pac to beat up his arms and elbows. @ isaiah, mayweather bullied and rocked the guy who was supposed to be much stronger than him, he came back after being hurt more than we've ever seen him get hurt and fight mosley in the pocket and make mosley too nervous to attack him properly. who's being a man? manny's camp has made excuses to him being afraid of needles to him being afraid of the psychological effect of blood drawing to him being superstitious. who's being a mouse?
Monday May 3, 2010 07:40:17 PM
mortcola:  As far as Floyd vs Manny for p4p -i could live with either. Floyd's outclassing of a Mosley we all knew was 38 years old but maybe had enough left in the tank was a brilliant boxing display, as well as showing more aggression than Floyd usually shows. And he is, after all, 41-0. But if the number were all we needed, we wouldn't be having mythical, qualitative debates like p4p ones. Manny brings several things Floyd doesn't. If Floyd is above the sport, Pac personifies it - a love of the warfare. Pac has completely decimated fighters Floyd had to methodically beat. He did it toe to toe, with combat-in-the-zone skills that are arguably the equal of Floyd's light-speed anticipation and single-punch counters. He has also made a mid-career quantum leap in ability, improving his weaknesses greatly, while magnifying the efficiency of his strengths, all against bigger opponents. Is he as flawless as Floyd? No. Is he a better p4p warrior? Very possibly. All scenarios in which he would trample Floyd or Floyd would humiliate him are imaginary. Both are plausible. If we don't turn either man into a god, then both have weaknesses to be exploited. Mayweather has been strafed early by single shots (Mosley and Judah), been outjabbed and countered (DLH) and has struggled when guys have been able to stay inside (Castillo). Pac is faster and more multi-dimensional than any of them. Pac has been outboxed, wobbled and counterpunched well - all before his Roach days. He took punishment against Cotto and Clottey, but not much considering that he was in their faces the whole fight. Pac will be facing the sharpest, smartest fighter he's ever faced in Floyd. Floyd will be fighting the fastest, most brutal, and most creative puncher he has ever faced. The question of who wins is like the question of who is the best p4p: it is all hypothetical until you see how the unique recipe of each fighter unfolds when faced with the other. I made Pac a favorite until I saw how cool and effective Floyd was the other night. I make Floyd a slight favorite now because I think he will be less inclined to fall out of his game under duress. But - and this is a big whale-tail of a but: Pac is at his athletic prime, and is uncompromised by wear, inactivity, injury, being tired of the sport; he will deliver a level of intensity that Floyd has never had to face in his whole career. It will not be two right hands and over; it will not be from a fighter who could no longer pull the trigger; and it will be from a two fisted fighter who, though he has a few signature "tells" in his rhythm, is far less predictable than any of Floyd's other opponents. Floyd will have to fight part of the fight. Its 51-49 in favor of Floyd, in my book. But Manny's 49 is unique.
Monday May 3, 2010 07:46:52 PM
TRex:  There simply are too many intangibles to look at. I tip my hat to Floyd for doing what he does best. And he may very well be the most talented fighter around but I am still not sold. Like Janet Jackson said,"What have you done for me lately?" Floyd has just beaten a good fighter in Sugar Shane. The best Sugar Shane? No, not by far. Larry Merchant or was it MR. Lampley that said during the fight, something along the lines of," We have just see Shane get old tonight". Which goes with the saying that a boxer no matter how good can just simply get old overnight. Shane is and always has been the lower weight classes version of Evander Holifield. Warrior, workhorse !! To say he was over trained, knowing his work ethic, may not be a far reach. But again, Floyd did another of the many things he does well, and that's fight the right name at the right time and/or the right weight where it's all to his advantage. Smart business man. He doesn't care about boxing, he is using boxing as his tool to make what he cares about, MONEY. Can't blame him, since it's the boxing world that feeds into him. That's why there was no belt at stake. Sure he dismantled JMM, who wouldn't? After making him gain all that weight! Manny fought him JMM at his natural weight. Ricky, another little man he fought out of his relm. Oscar, "yeah, now we fight him and make him get to a weight he hasn't weighed in at for a long time". So, for me, Floyd just hasn't done anything for me lately. On the other hand, it may be safe to say that Cotto was not THE Cotto after the Margarito fight and the potential brick hand beating he took. And you can use the same for the Oscar fight. Making Oscar lose all that weight. But Daived Diaz, JMM, Barrera, Solis, Morales etc. All fighters in thier respective relms and active. Money vs Manny will never happen. Each man is just too proud to let happen what should. Many a video games will be made with the both as charactors. That will be the only way you'll see them in the right. Funny thing is I believe Floyd wins easily yet he's the one that seems to be avoiding the fight. The commions are in place to govern the sport. Not the fighter. Again, there is no drug in existence that will help you train and fight and help you win and be out of your system before they draw the blood in the locker room immediately after the fight!! What would be the advantage in using something that helps you train better if it must be out of your system within 30 days of the fight?? There is no advantage, it's just nonesense. And at this point for Floyd to continue with his demands is just that, nonsense and cowardice. For a fight in which he wins easily!!!!
Monday May 3, 2010 07:48:37 PM
riverside@Fe'roz:  Totally agree with you, Shane's best day's are over, He just justed looked to damn good against Margarito. Shane should start thinking about retireing, I hope some day we can watch Pacman vs MoneyMay, Money May is a hell of counterpuncher if he chooses to be
Monday May 3, 2010 07:49:34 PM
Isaiah:  @TRex. Man, that was brilliant. I couldn't have said that any better. The only thing different is I SLIGHTLY favor Manny Pacquaio over Money Mayweather like by 51/49. In all honesty, I think we can all agree if we look with unbiased eyes, both men have one heck of a chance to win against the other. Man! I REALLY hope this fight pans out. The world demands it and I dont' mean just the boxing world... NO! I mean the world, period! IT'S THAT BIG OF AN EVENT! Anyone know the pay per view sales of Mayweather/Mosely yet?
Monday May 3, 2010 08:05:25 PM
deepwater:  Ron Paul 2012.Bring home the troops and audit the fed.theres nothing else to talk about.mayweather shut me up
Monday May 3, 2010 08:24:35 PM
Isaiah:  Isn't Obama bringing the change everyone wanted? The national deficit has went up more then 400% to over 12 trillion dollars. The troops are still overseas with more being added. More rights are being taken away on a regular basis. You are a terriost or racist if you dissagree with Obama. But yey, go Obama right? Yey, Bush sucked but at sometime, maybe we can blame the CURRENT President for some trouble the country is in. People need to start reading these bills that are being passed. Look at what taxes on being brought on people who own businesses. This trickles over all of us! IMPEACH OBAMA ASAP! People didn't learn when Clinton signed our jobs overseas. People didn't learn when Bush jr. acted stupid, but was ripping us off... TIME TO LEARN PEOPLE! DECIET comes in all colors, shapes and sizes! Barack Hussien Obama is NOT your buddy! Martial Law is NOT far off. In fact, it's only a heartbeat away now! PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE THE (BEEP) UP!
Monday May 3, 2010 08:39:43 PM
Dey C:  Just for laughs.... I'm GLAD to hear DLH is with Floyd on this possible match-up. DLH has always been wrong when predicting Pacquiao fights... Edge still goes to Floyd but having DLH on Floyds side helps Pacquiao a bit...
Monday May 3, 2010 08:43:09 PM
baratingas:  Just compare the results of every opponents that they both faced..Floyd and Oscar...the result..split decision and Oscar continued to fight Manny which resulted in Oscar's retirement..and then Floyd vs Hatton..the result Floyd knocked Hatton in very late round..Manny almost killed Hatton which brought Hatton to ICU and now is uncertain of fighting again...Floyd knocked down Marquez once..Manny knocked down Marquez 4 times...and how about the little kid Manny destroyed the legendary Cotto who beats Mosley already...and now that Floyd beats Mosley you are saying that Floyd should be in a #1 ranking of the P4P..You don't have to be a mathematician to understand the meaning of "ratio and proportion"...
Monday May 3, 2010 08:46:10 PM
The Saint:  @Isaiah: Have you ever considered the Abrahamic covenant? God said to him, "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." America is turning its back on Israel--NOT good. Things can only get worse from here. I STRONGLY suggest bring this up to your church so that churches could pray for our country and stand in the gap. Churches are being silent about this matter. Sad to say, the modern day church are a bunch of "evan-jellyfish." Regarding the martial law, I think it's going to happen shortly after or shortly before the November elections, in which Democrats are expected to lose badly. I think the regime is already planning some sort of "catastrophe" that would necessitate martial law.
Monday May 3, 2010 09:10:10 PM
RIVERSIDE@ISAIAH:  Obama was't kidding about change, Troops where supposed to be home within 6 months, yeah right can't leave Power Vacuum overnight, we are changing to the worst. what did Rep. wilson shout at him during health care reform speech. YOU .........
Monday May 3, 2010 09:10:50 PM
boris:  i don't read the article but i think floyd is afraid of manny. He said he wants to clean the sports so he wants random blood testing to make it fair in the fight night ..but that seems not right.... since he know pacquiao weakens with blood testing and he wants to take advantage of it....... floyd that is truly genus ..pacquiao promise to give blood sample anytime after the fight and is that not enough?..common! ...manny pacquiao is still no.1 p4p because he has a lot of achievements than floyd..
Monday May 3, 2010 09:12:36 PM
deepwater:  martial law is one bomb away.buy gold and silver before the dollar is devalued.
Monday May 3, 2010 09:38:16 PM
Raffy :  No way Jose! Just fight Manny Pacquiao unconditionally and just prove it!?.,: This time I agreed Mayweather now in top 10 P4P whether the fight is real or set up or politically. Prior to No. 2 spot when Floyd beat small guy no match Marquez that wrong and unfair howd they do that! they manipulating the rating? Imagine Floyd is not in the circulations for 2 years due retiree, when Mayweather comeback beat small Marquez and Marquez has no title belt and Mayweather unconditionally landed no. 2 spots P4P after Pacquiao that ridiculous scenario. He (Mayweather) should be some more tunes up big fight before he landed in top 10 That is really unfair for those occupying 11-20 slots position. Manny Pacquiao deserved the No. 1 P4P spots due to his clean fighter, hardship, perseverance, dedication on boxing to became successful and sensational phenomenal from unknown third world famous country - The Philippines but they produced already in the past world caliber famous World Boxer champions plenty of them now Hall of Fame... In this World many Empires, Dynasty, Kingdom, in the past history Rule this world, even they are powerful still there is an ending power rule. So in this boxing world nobody is permanent to dominant boxing, Rule, or The King boxer. Now the King Of Boxer is from Asia, Who knows someday from Africa next, or back to America again or to Latin America and Europe..
Monday May 3, 2010 09:50:05 PM
deepwater:  mayweather shut us all up. so we have to talk politricks for awhile.This much we know. obama is a butcher like bush. obama has more wars going on then bushy did. obama uses drones more then ever.he even joked at his celebrity dinner that he would use the drones against the jonas brothers. imagine if shitty bush said that. Israel is the 6th largest nucleur power and do not need us to go bomb iran for them.open your eyes. bring home the troops. they dont desevre to do 4 tours playing crossing guard.liberty.ron paul 2012
Monday May 3, 2010 09:51:37 PM
SpeaknDatruth:  When your busy making excuses you can't excel at anything. The excuses continue to fly likes birds going south.Now Shane is washed up. I did not here 1 peson here say Shane was washed up before the fight.Excuse after excuse! Speed will make you look old. Ask Hopkins vs Calzaghe.Speed is the last thing an old fighter wants to see. If Hopkins wasn't leary of Jones,jr speed he might have KO'd Jones. SpeaknDatruth
Monday May 3, 2010 10:02:35 PM
Fe'Roz @ Mortcola:  Enjoyed your breakdown of the fantasy fight we all want to see. In the end, I know you'll agree that the only place we will get answers to our questions is in the ring. Floyd was in many ways the most impressive I have seen him in years. I, like the many who refused to accept Manny's greatness without qualification, saw two fights the other night. the one fought by Floyd and the one fought by Shane. Floyd was superb. Round One was even. Round Two we learned that Floyd can indeed be hit hard and that he can recover very fast. Round Three we learned that he could move on and take over virtually at will. Round Four confirmed that Floyd could and would stay in a pocket of his own design and fight. By the end, we saw the best of Floyd and we know that KO's are not his thing. Winning no matter ...if not dominantly...is. The second fight was Shane's. In the first minute he jabbed to Floyd's body but even then Manny Stward had already noticed what I saw...that Shane looked off. Seconds later Shane was on the floor. Unprovoked...and Uncoordinated. Jiggly jab in hand, anyone who knew Shane Mosely at his best knew something was different. This was before Floyd threw an effective punch. Round Two was Shane's single moment. One punch rocked Floyd. Then two. Shane failed to follow. By the end of Round Three, Shane was finished. Eyes open but seeing little, he looked lost. And so it went. We were never to see 'Sugar' Shane again. And Floyd made sure of that. But the almost 39 year old Shane Mosely is not the 31 years old Manny Pacquiao. That does not mean that Manny beats Floyd. Or that any of our scenarios are even remotely accurate. The Ring is the theatre of the unexpected. No one could tell me they 'knew' when Ali met Frazier or Leonard met Tommy Hearns....because they didn't. But this isn't Hearns and Leonard in their true absolute primes. This is Manny and Floyd. The fight that comes to mind that I think does bear similarities is one everyone read about first....and then see. I say read because context is everything. Alexis the Magnificent stylist Arguello and Aaron the 'I-can't-even-describe-it' Pryor. When the beautiful Floyd Mayweather enters the ring against the little man from GSC Philippines, I'll be thinking about the intangibles that made that fight one of the great ones.
Monday May 3, 2010 10:18:32 PM
Frank Z@ Fe'Roz:  very well put, it makes me look forward even more to what's ahead. one little thing i'd like to add too. shane was not able to follow up effectively on hurting floyd because floyd is able and willing to tie up opponents, something most of shane's past opponents have not done, and the ones who have have given him trouble.i expect pacquiao to face the same difficulties with getting pulled into an inside fight vs.floyd.
Monday May 3, 2010 10:29:50 PM
Waldorf:  Pac fought weighted drain ODLH and Cotto and Clottey who threw one punch at a time and beat a punching bag Diaz. When Pac moved up, he never fought the best at each weight class he cherry plck. And Morales and Marquez beat him. Sugar destroy Margarito, who destroy Cotto with bricks. Always telling PBF to call out. I guess Pac can call out Sugar now, but not at 140 but 147 or Margarito or Paul. Or go for the big 40 mil with a blood test. Who's P4P Money!!!!!!
Monday May 3, 2010 10:53:42 PM
PacLover:  Floyd will systematically dismantle my favorite PacMan. I can see it by how it is. I love the PacMan but Floyd will simply launch those beautiful counter jabs. And everytime Floyd does it, Pac's head will snap back. The only way PacMan can win is to increase his head feints while throwing a power punch at the mid section. Easier said than done with a moving target. If Pac can move laterally from left to right without being hit by Floyd's counter hooks, then maybe just maybe Pac can unleash his lefts and rights to Floyd's pretty face. I just hope these two can settle it in the ring and it would totally be an explosive event for the boxing fans! Although Pac is still my Numero Uno, Floyd is just one ladder step below!
Monday May 3, 2010 10:59:19 PM
Andoy:  we Filipino are sometimes victim of foreign discrimination (specially English), you can't read any word of phrase from Pacmans' saying that Floyd is in Xylocaine but wont fight him, we Filipino's are worth dying for, we do show or fight for the rest of the world to see that we're equal, we Filipinos are not born to hurt others we are humble even we lose but we fight to the best without thinking any alibi from the foes, we are born warriors, to all Mayweather clan look in your heart and you will see the truth... sorry for my bad English im not Americans, I'm a Filipino. (Mabuhay!)
Monday May 3, 2010 11:11:09 PM
raeshaun:  i just dont know how dela hoya got his logic. he lost in a split decision vs fmj but he quit on his stool after being reduced to a punching bag for 8rds by mp. and says fmj is the best... o c,mon. and how can pbf be #1 when he is #2 and he defeated #3. for god's sake... andfmj's demand of an olympic style drug testing, its like saying he does not trust the nsac people. hmmmmmm, these nsac people perhaps dont deserve anyone's trust. they don't have balls. or maybe they should just hire fmj to head them.
Monday May 3, 2010 11:45:05 PM
#1 PacFan:  Floyd should not be considered ahead of Pacman on the P4P list. I thought you have to beat the #1 to be the #1. It's May's own fault for retiring and giving up the spot. Manny rightfully earned that spot and he has every right to defend it. As for many of you who think that he will expose Pacman, you're wrong. The Floyd that reigned at 135 would have exposed him but not the welterweight one. At Welterweight Floyd does move his feet as much. Floyd was able to counter Mosley because he let himself get measured. Manny doesn't throw 1-2s he throws 8 punch combos. Manny won't hesitate like Mosley. He will not show respect for May's power. They're equal at speed. Manny will have a far better chance at beating him than a reluctant Mosley.
Monday May 3, 2010 11:59:40 PM
Mayon Volcano:  If you want something, you have to work hard for it. You don't praise and tell yourself you arer the #1. Work hard not talk and stop telling people about your greatness. People will judge. You don't dictate people to believe in what you say about yourself. And most of all you have beat Clottey, Miguel Cotto.and the true p4p Manny
Tuesday May 4, 2010 12:15:56 AM
Donputo69 - In the hole?:  First of all, Mayweather is NO Sugar Ray Robinson. But he is the best P4P fighter out there today. Floyd will NOT fight Martinez. He could have fought Pavlik and he never even mentioned it as if it was as much a stretch as challenging a Klitschko. And if you remember what Martinez did to Pavlik with his speed, Floyd would have done it more easily. I've been saying forever that Floyd should have challenged KP. Win win. Pavlik would have landed about 50 shots all night and Mayweather would have won a lopsided decision. And his respect would have been restored for taking such a tough fight. But he missed the boat on that one, big-time. As for Pacquiao, he'll stop him around 8 or 9. Floyd sat down on his punches moreso than ever, and if he does that to Manny, goodnight Pacquiao-express, because the ride will be over.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 12:26:05 AM
LuCas:  It was not the kind of fight I saw on Mosley. Mosley could finish Mayweather if he had to. But the fact of the matter, Mosley is one of the promoters and 1 with Golden Boy. Mayweather is the cash cow of the GBP. Mayweather vs Pacquiao could earn more than Pacquiao vs Mosley. Mosley dived down and even richer.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 12:26:09 AM
Isaiah:  Just one more NON boxing quote people for now... @the Saint. Here's an interesting tidbit of information I thought you might appreciate... "And Jesus told them, "I saw SATAN like LIGHTNING falling from the HEAVENS." Ancient Hebrew translation. BARAQ (BAW-RAWK)-LIGHTNING. CONJUNCTION OF U OR O CAN BE USED IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN BAMMA-"FALLING FROM THE HEIGHTS OR FALLING FROM HEAVEN." All together. Baraq O Bamma. Like lightning falling from heaven. Same description Jesus gives of Satan. Coincidence?
Tuesday May 4, 2010 12:31:36 AM
Frank Z:  why don't we keep the discussion on boxing instead of politics and the bible. not all of us share the same beliefs and trying to shove those kinds of philosophies down our throats like that is pretty disrespectful.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 12:39:16 AM
Fe'Roz @ FrankZ:  Floyd definitely can knows how and when to hold and he does it beautifully. He makes sure that his opponent can neither escape or hit him effectively. I am sure that Freddie Roach knows (and admires) that skill. Everyone who fights Floyd should. But as I said, all talk is just that, talk....unless and until they meet. When they do, I for one, do not expect to see anything like the other night. Because Shane Mosely is not Manny Pacquiao. Whatever anyone might say about their relative opposition, Floyd is undefeated....and Manny is on a historic run. Floyd will enter...and I quote Emanuel Steward...as the naturally smaller man and thus the underdog. But once they enter the ring......watch out. Guns will be a blazing and both men can fight. they both can hit and they both can get hit. Floyd is not by any means untouchable. Nor is Manny. They both have been rocked but neither will go down. Floyd got hit and he got hurt the other night. It can happen again. Manny, well it's been a while since he got hurt but he took some monster shots from Cotto.....and he smiled. Until floyd stood and fought in his own pocket the other night, I was convinced a meeting between him and Manny would be anti-climactic. Not any longer. It's time to make the fight.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 01:18:59 AM
the Roast:  YIKES!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 02:29:00 AM
Fe'Roz :  If Kevin Iole is right in reporting his early PPV numbers at 1.2 million, this fight has a much better chance of being than it did yesterday. Also, if true, Floyd will no longer be able spin his status as PPV King. That will...as it always has...been the rule of ODLH, boxing's true and undefeated Golden Boy at the box office.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 03:21:57 AM
Raffy :  Manny Pacquiao when he is in the ring there is always an intensity as quoted by Riddick Lewis Heavyweight World champion
Tuesday May 4, 2010 03:34:01 AM
mortcola@Fe'Roz:  Nice analogies. Maybe I'm just at the age when nostalgia takes over and new stuff doesn't hit the nerve endings; or maybe this money, internet, celebrity, pseudo-gangsta obsessed era is just a little less real. But there was something to the Leonard-Hearns, Pryor-Arguello days, and some of the wars of the 70s that has both more meat and more Myth to it, as opposed to little-myth, the egomaniac self--narratives of todays idols. Mayweather is an amazing technician; but for those who say is a complete fighter, I say, he has half a game. It is f-ing brilliant - but what's missing? Where's the love of fighting, of conquest, of risk-overcoming? Where's the COMBINATIONS busted out on a vulnerable opponent? The mixed assault, the in and the out? Watched the fight again today - struck by how snakey-fast Floyd's just-so shots were; but no follow up, no capitalizing, no sealing the deal. I thought about how Leonard or Hearns would have fought. I honestly think Leonard lacked nothing compared to Floyd, but he was as much an attacker and a killer as he was a phenomenal boxer; control, confuse, and then destroy. Can you imagine Leonard or Hearns, or Duran, or Hagler, or Arguello, being content to just maneuver and pot-shot the tired, slow-reacting older fighter? Are we so bored that we're happy with this game of neutralize-and-coast, rinse, repeat, coming from a guy who talks himself up as a demi-god? If not for the hype, my reaction would be all admiration for how clean and intelligent the win was. But the easily impressed here buy into the cult and make Floyd into a superman. I watch fighters of a previous era, and they FOUGHT - and the Greats above lacked nothing in the skill department. Floyd's a brilliant head-case, who has managed to minimize most career risks, while convincing parts of the public that he is bigger than the sport. But, it is not his skills that I criticize. Its not even his relative safety-first approach, which other greats have also employed. Its the deception, the gap between hype and reality. Pac comes to fight, purely, to break you down, for the sheer joy of it. He brings back the old-fashioned joy of The Sweet Science, the drama as well as the brilliance. You know who else does that? Paul WIlliams. Even if Paul doesn't quite reach the heights - and he might - he is an old-time pugilist at heart. The clinical skills of Mayweather are damned impressive. But he's "above" the sport. In his own words. Seems he won't fight the biggest, youngest or best out there. History, baby, the record. So, his clinical mastery leaves me hungry for real boxing, even while I watch and say, gee, that was cool. Floyd, fight Little Manny, fight Long Tall, fight SOMEONE on this side of 35, who poses some more risk. Prove me wrong, earn my PPV $ and my respect. Then I'll put you up there with Arguello, Leonard, et al. You can't earn it without taking the risk, baby. Mosley was a partial step, but you gotta step up. Otherwise, I'll admire your business model, but your boxing "greatness" is wax fruit. Fe'Roz, others, you know the taste of real food and the taste of an impressive imitation. You know what I'm saying.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:00:20 AM
Miss Lee missing Smiley C:  Wow mortcola! I said write a bible fo sho!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:04:22 AM
MIster Lee (the Roast is King, Senora Lee):  Anybody think Bradley might give floyd/pacquiao a run for their money a year down the line? Holler!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:06:14 AM
Fe'Roz @ Mortcola:  I feel exactly the same. I want to be fair to Floyd. He has beautiful, some might say, magnificent skills. But this is Boxing. The Hurt Business. It is not, as others like to argue, simply hit and not get hit. That is but one component. This game started with bare fists. Fights were finished when one man could no longer stand. It has changed with the times but the thing that separates it from all others is the primal nature of the battle itself. Yes, I said battle, Not ballet. Two men face each other with the goal of one taking the other out. Of Consciousness. Not simply his game plan. Or his rhythm. When you have a man hurt, you close the show. The greatest fighters of all time were natural born killers. They took your best laid plans, then your heart and then your head. Sugar Ray Leonard was an assassin. He hurt you and you were gone. Duran was a murderer. Hagler a warrior. Ali, frankly, was all of that. Three times he fought Joe Frazier. Three times. Snapping jabs and head shots. Hooks in combination to the body. Pain beyond pain. Machine gun combos in the middle and on the ropes. Intent to harm always. That, for me at least, defines Greatness. Manny Pacquiao will one day be stopped again. But no one , certainly not any one boxing fan, with knowledge and self-respect can ever deny that little man is great. In the real and historic sense of the word.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:21:50 AM
Fe'Roz @ Mister Lee:  Down the line for sure. He's the man to watch.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:22:57 AM
Real Talk systematically dominating and breaking down the fake ones:  Ron Borges knows what he's looking @. Great truth in the article it's almost like he walked through my mind and grocery shopped the isles of my thoughts. Four of the first five comments were on point and loaded with truth. @ Feroz...you don't have to apologize for you admiration of both fighters. I share those sentiments with you brethren. I almost don't want to see the Floyd vs. Pac fight like I don't want a good series or movie to end, because after that....what else is it? The next time you watch the fight...(if you didn't see it) look at the Poppa Smurf shoulder pic of the straight right, followed by the short hook to the chin. Textbook, beautiful, masterful skill. Freddie Roach teaches that but his is a short shot to the center of the chest. I knoe he saw it.I'm a student of this game with a hunger to learn more an increase my aptitude of TSS, which is why I love to watch master boxers display techniques that I can addto my repitoire. It's like a Sweet Science seminar LOL. The random guy up top J.juelar....welcome to the site. This flaw in your formular is the fact that Mayweather walked away from the game @ the top of the mountainP4P king and was never dethrowned. Pacquiao inhereted the crown as defacto king and did a helluva job with it. I'm glad we had Pac or boxing would've been in trouble. If you ask me an I guess most unbiased people's opinion. Floyd is P4P #1 in the game simply because he's back, he hasn't lost anything an is clearly head and shoulders above anybody else out there. I can't wait to watch the fight again. Dueces
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:34:31 AM
Real Talk battling a bug:  Man I mispelled a lot of words LOL. I'll only address formula. LOL Dueces
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:37:36 AM
Real Talk @ Isaiah:  One minute yousa cyberspace hater , the next yousa Bible thumping Christian. Stop hating on my President......SWALOW YA MEDS DOGG NUTS!!!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:40:38 AM
GINO:  Pound For Pound #1 wont matter much to Manny. He fights with his heart and pleases the fans. If alll those who say the title belongs to Floyd now then so be it. For me, Manny is the most exciting fighter out there. Hands down.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:47:36 AM
Real Talk @ #1 pAC FAN:  If what you say is what you beleive than Pac can't be the #1 P4P because he never beat the #1 P4P King May. 8 punch combos aint happening when you get countered after the first one and get your head rocked back. Changes the game completely. Floyd dominated the fighter team Pac wanted know part of and acted as if they had earplugs when he ask for a fight @ 5 lbs below the weight he competes @ . Face it Dogpound....The Rulers BACK! ;-)
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:48:36 AM
Real Talk @ mortcola:  Floyd is putting rounds in the bank and getting back into his rare form. He mentioned this on 24/7 but I already peeped this. Team Pac needs to make the fight now if they want to have any type of advantage(activity), because the more Floyd fights the more momentum he gets the more their chances of being in it goes down down down. I think it's already too late. You know stance has substance. Besides ....a wounded animal is a dangerous animal....especially if that animal is Shane Mosley. Mayweather took care of business like he was suppose to and put on a clinic. How can you raise your fingers to type that he isn't a complete fighter?!?! That's ridiculous my main daimie LOL. Mayweather is gon sign Pacquiao's pitty on the runny kine....LMAO!!!! If he aint a complete fighter than such a animal never existed. Dueces );)
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:58:49 AM
Real Talk @ mortcola:  my stance has substance
Tuesday May 4, 2010 05:00:00 AM
#1PacFan @realtalk:  I have a question for you, what if you were promoted by your employer because the guy quit. He wanted his job back which was offer to you. Would you give up your position? it's like any other business, you snooze you lose. Or get back in line. I know you're thinking that Pac had life and death with JMM who also was a counter-puncher. The difference between JMM and PBF is that when JMM counters it's through combinations. May counters with just one punch or two in other words pot shots. Manny cannot be disrupted by being pot shotted at this stage of his career. Morales was able to pot shot him because Manny was a one dimensional fighter. What happened when Roach added the right hand? Mosley had Floyd but i don't know why he stopped fighting. Nothing stops the Pacman from going forward until he is put down. Manny has so many ways to get to May it's ridiculous. Floyd is no longer fast on his feet which is why Manny will land some bombs on him.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 05:21:51 AM
kid:  this was all a setup by golden boy promotions!!! win win situation for both camps... imagine mosley fighting mayweather for a cool $7 million without losing his strap!?! very scripted!!! mayweather gives 2 rounds to mosley and its sparring time... how can someone aggresively and convincingly beat margarito and be hesitant to slug it out with mayweather!?! smell something really fishy... thats why i hate it when a promotional company pits its own fighters against one another... the fight can be pre-determined even before it starts! after this even with a loss to mayweather, mosley can still secure mega fights cause he has a belt! fights that really matter are fights between to opposing promotional outfits with hatred toward one another - classic example "golden boy vs. top rank". you definitely end up with your money's worth. with that kind of a showing that mosley gave against mayweather i honestly doubt it if he could've survived 12 rounds with pacquiao! and with just a uninanimous decision oscar proclims his own cash cow the king of hill and the best of all time!?! oscar is the new vince mcmahon of boxing!!!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 05:24:07 AM
#1 PacFan @realtalk:  Floyd is definitely back to dodge another bullet. Mosley was an emergency fight for Floyd...lol You act as if Floyd just defeated GOLIATH. Believe me if Mosley-Berto cancelled before the negotiation fell through with Floyd and Manny that Pacman would have jumped on that first. This is all pure drama baby and you know it. Mayweather and GBP are the DIVAs of the sport.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 05:33:23 AM
TrueTalk:  Pacman is the P4P. Mayweather is only no 2. Look at the fight last weekend. It is completely a setup. Mosley had his chance in the 2nd round but he did not took that opportunity but instead he made Floyd recover. The game last Saturday was pre-arranged. They are both partner of GoldenBoy. Dela Hoya is really a jerk. Hay, how was the punches of the Pacman during your fight with him. Looser really cry loud. You know reader, american's can not accept that an Asian boxer dominates the boxing ring . Sorry guys, it is our turn now.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 05:54:47 AM
MP #1P4P:  In Mayweather's post fight interviews you hear him speak about how he fought with his heart and this is what gave him the power to have his offensive attack! What a joke that is. We Pac Fans can not keep the giggle from our bellies that turns into outright laughter. I can picture many Pac Fans on the carpet of their homes rolling around laughing at this statement! Offensive attack? Heart? That was barely a warm up session for Manny Pacquiao. Manny gets a better workout sparing then that fight had action. Floyd's idea of entertaining the fans is "Throwing One Punch And Then Getting The Hell Out Of The Way" so he doesn't get hit again, because as you can see in the 2nd round he can not take a punch without getting wobbled and holding on. Hell Manny Pacquiao got cracked in the jaw by Miguel "I'm No Angel" Cotto and didn't even phase him. Manny Pacquiao got his eardrum busted in that fight. Did you ever see Manny Pacquiao holding Miguel Cotto trying to survive? No! What you saw was Manny Pacquiao fighting with combinations kicking Miguel Cotto's ASS and that is exactly what will happen if Mayweather ever has the courage to fight Pacquiao: He will get his Ass Kicked. Now that Manny Pacquiao has basically agreed to the term (that seemed to be the reason that their prior contract negotiations were cancelled), let's see if Mayweather has the HEART to fight the Pacman ... or if that was just One Punch He Threw And Now Will Get The Hell Out Of The Way
Tuesday May 4, 2010 05:55:23 AM
Isaiah:  Well, it's official. Oscar De La Hoya has totally jacked up the Ring Magazine rankings. Get this, as of the rankings changed for today, Floyd Mayweather still is undefeated at "40-0" and Shane Mosley has only "5" losses. Not only that, but Mayweather is now the #1 ranked welterweight by beating the #3 welterweight, BUT Manny Pacquaio is still ranked #1 on the pound for pound list as if ANY of this makes any sense! By the way, these are the NEW rankings! Something is seriously wrong! Oscar, I KNOW you are calling these RETARDED decisions just so you can make so money off of Mayweather, but keeping Manny at #1 in the P4P as if you're trying to please everyone! Thanks so much! I mean it! Go ahead and keep on giving yourself a one handed clap on your face! You deserve it big guy! Hey you all! Wouldn't it be funny if Oscar actually read this? Oh well!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 06:28:53 AM
Isaiah:  Wow! I JUST NOW checked their rankings again to make sure what I read is correct. Now, their records are actually correct at least. Mayweather is now at his 41-0 and Mosley now has 6 losses, but the placement of Pacquaio and Mayweather is still jacked up. How can Mayweather be the #1 welterweight, but Pacquaio be the #1 guy pound for pound when they are in the SAME weight class. That makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 06:34:51 AM
doubletangoromeo:  ...as jay-z used to say...lets move on, mayweather was at his brilliant best when he schooled sour shane mosley...and i gave him my respect...now the world wants to see one of the truly greats of this division...the great manny paquiao against the equally great floyd mayweather jr go head to head.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 07:03:04 AM
Moss:  Im a fan of Mosley but during their fight with mayweather, he just show his hands pretending to punch floyd until the end, Im not convince, I think its scripted. Mayweather vs Pacman its fun coz of Promotion, not scripted
Tuesday May 4, 2010 07:19:56 AM
Ricky Nierra:  Floyd desrve to be # 1 after beating # 3 fighter in Shane Mosley? The only reason why Shane Mosley was in the ranking of Pound 4 Pound list was because Golden Boy's top dog Oscar Dela Hoya owned Ring Magazine. In order to be the # 1 you must beat the man holding that title in Manny Pacquiao.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 07:58:54 AM
Vegas.est:  LOL.... Floyd is #1 lb 4 lb for UD'ing a 36yo bloated featherweight and a 38yo Moseley. WOW! C'mon now.. Sure you could say Cotto had to shave 2 lbs., but Pacquiao fought them at their primes in their best weight classes! And i'd say Pacquiao also dominated his last 2 fights moreso than Mayweather did. Pacquiao deserves the #1 spot, and i doubt the official ring rankings won't demote him to #2.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 08:48:29 AM
DRMULLEN:  I never though i would see floyd, get hit..i seen him get hit, hurt, then Mosley stopped fighting. he wanted the money more than the win. Pac, by a KO, must be within the first 5 rounds or Floyd will win a decision. must be in DALLAS!!! he can't have everything his way. Pac, KOs, Floyd, wins decisions. you tell me who you want as the baddest lbflb on the planet?
Tuesday May 4, 2010 09:39:40 AM
Trayst39:  Alot of people are still shocked not by the fact that Floyd won the fight, but by the fact that they saw him get hit! Here a little quote to all those who are under misguided rationals,"Boxing is a contact sport, ur gonna get hit fighting". Is floyd not allowed to get hit? And here an even better question is, how many of you through floyd would be running the whole fight? What he did was man up and stand toe - toe with a great knock out artist, take his best shot (contrary to most peoples expectiations) than beat the living daylights out of the man. For those who say many'll finish him once he gets him in trouble, please whatch the highlights of the fight, Floyd grabbed shane and didnt let himself take any more damage. After which, he still kept coming forward that with quicker hands , better technique and better refelexes, unmercifully beat Shane at his own game.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 10:07:57 AM
mortcola@Real Talk:  It isn't how complete his skill set is. That's pretty complete. Its an old school look at his "above boxing" approach to the game. Talk big, choose a compromised opponent, neutralization, showcase the moves, don't close the show. A genius who fights not to get dirty. Not like the greats who got me into the sport. Some of whom were talkers, some of whom were trashers, some of whom were marketed, but all of whom FOUGHT with passion, and didn't cherry-pick, and didn't demand special treatment. Brothers, I know this will be misconstrued. But it ain't about his mad skills. You can read me or ignore me. But try to hear me. It is about a man who says he's above the sport and fights like it. That Shane would not have heard the final bell against any of the Greats, who would have looked for Completion, put it into Completion gear. Who would have said, talking about a Pac fight, like Arguello said to the mad Pryor in the ring, "you are a great fighter, it would be an honor and a great fight"; not, "give me a stool sample or no fight". The same skills with a different heart, a different soul, would be up for greatness. I gotta work. If you're gonna slam me, at least pay attention to what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. Respect and out.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 12:44:08 PM
mortcola:  We've all talked about how Floyd showed aggression, how he led off. Has anyone commented - a friend pointed this out to me - that Floyd's punch output didn't increase once he had Shane tentative and vulnerable? No pressing the advantage? Seldom more than one shot at a time. No matter how clean and sweet those shots were....where was the dynamic intensifying combos, the extra sweat, the pushing for a climax that would have made it special. You know, most music today starts at one level of intensity, stays there, and ends. All the while shouting about s--t. Mozart, Rachmaninoff, Robert Johnson, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Isaac Hayes, Led Zeppelin, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, old Genesis...the music ebbed and flowed, built and released, then kicked a--- when the floodgates were opened. You felt it. Do you feel it?My buddy Dj Kevvy Kev of San Francisco showed me hardcore hip hop that had the soul and the mind I respond to. Its not the decade, its the heart of the musician or the warrior. Boxing and jazz. Not house, not the Velveeta (non)R & (non)B. Drama, baby, passion, different levels of the soul, full pain and full deliverance. Not frontin' and showcasing and going home waving your money in the air. Sorry for all the extra here, but I look to metaphors and analogies to WAKE THE F UP and see what's goin' on behind the curtain.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 01:02:45 PM
Fe'Roz :  It's not me or Mort or any of us who love Floyd's skills that are slighting Floyd by saying he is not the same as the true greats of yesteryear. He's not. Manny Steward said the same the other night. Floyd does not have that killer instinct that Ray Leonard had. Or Hearns. Or Duran. He does not. He likes to win pretty and he's damn good at it. So when Mort says complete, I think he means finishing what he starts out doing. That begins with such achievements as 'taking on all comers', 'beating any man', cleaning out the division', and "closing the show". Not putting on a clinic. Floyd is a master clinician......without Any question. But I don't find him dangerous. I don't associate Fear with him. He does not rattle off combinations that dazzle me. Nor does he do anything like SRL in the 14th round against a Natural Born Killer (and great boxer) Tommy Hearns. So let me ask you, if you could suddenly turn on the TV..... and hear that this weekend (use your imagination).....that the 20 something year old Undefeated Sugar Ray Leonard was about to fight his Undefeated peer, the Hit Man Tommy Hearns, for the undisputed welterweight title to the world, would you even care about Floyd Mayweather Jr. Tell the truth.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 01:04:25 PM
The Saint:  @Isaiah: I'd say it's coincidence. Barrack is a fairly common name and I'm sure there are other ways to translate that passage linguistically speaking. Also, I'd stay away from these types of interpretation that border on sensationalism. As significant as the head of this regime thinks himself to be, in the grand scheme of things, that is, in God's scheme of things, he's nothing but a small speck. Let's not lose focus of the real issue, we don't need to villify el presidente, we know who his father is and you know the ultimate fate of his father. Right here and now, for our country's sake, we need to stand in the gap because of what the U.S. is doing to Israel.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 01:30:28 PM
The Saint:  @Feroz: Mayweather is consistent and he has a very unique style. He's a sniper with a bb gun. Your life may not be in danger per se, but it's still intimdating to get stung by it, especially if you don't know where the shot's coming from. As far as being a complete fighter, Floyd's far from it. He's not a strong finisher, he doesn't have an infighting game besides clinching and wrestling. Contrary to what everyone seems to believe, Floyd does not know how to fight in the pocket. If you want recent examples of fighting in the pocket, look at James Toney and Chris Byrd. Even Byrd is more talented than Floyd and is several notches higher in terms of courage. I think the Sweet Science could be summarized by this: it is occupying the right space, at the right time, and great fighters occupy the right space all of the time. By that I am referring to each fighter's physical makeup and build and the configurations of their bodies. For example, the shoulder width, forearm length, leg-torso ratio shoulder height, neck length, etc. Floyd is gifted with great architecture that allows him to operate the way he does. If his arms were a bit shorter he wouldn't be able to cover up the way he does. If they were a little longer he wouldn't have the sharpness and tightness in his punches, etc.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 01:41:15 PM
Radam G:  Hmm! The juveniles are at play. May they have ___. Holla!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 02:06:19 PM
@ Radam:  As smart and educated a man as you should know better than to call other intelligent folk juvenile.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 02:24:43 PM
Tex:  1a and 1b... If you make me choose, Manny is still P4P... You can't fight twice in two years, once against a smaller guy, and scale back to the top of your throne. You take thrones by challenging kings. As for GOAT... well, I'll just let the Mayweather maniacs lose in the history books on that one... and they WILL. Trust me.
Tuesday May 4, 2010 04:41:35 PM
Radam G:  Wow! I didn't dare call "other intelligent folk juvenile (sic). I simply stated that "The juveniles are at play." Whomever that shoe fits, let 'em try it on if they don't select to wear it. Holla!
Tuesday May 4, 2010 06:07:52 PM
sick and tired:  if you fight in nevada, and nevada has its own doping regimen, then do it. if you dont want that kind of testing, then good and never fight in nevada. thats for you mayweather. fight in mexico and bring your usada testing there.
Wednesday May 5, 2010 09:55:10 AM
bob:  I would rank Manny higher based on competion level , although in a fight between the two I would have to go with Mayweather. It's the price you pay for ducking the greats .
Wednesday May 5, 2010 10:42:32 AM
The Saint:  Using Mayweather's own standards, the rightful #1 p4p ought to be Wladimir Klitschko. He dominates his opponents more than Mayweather does and he actually knocks people out. Furthermore, he's fighting the top rated heavyweights, as bad as they may be, he's fighting the best available.
Wednesday May 5, 2010 02:24:46 PM
DayWon:  To "The Saint". Vlad is a good fighter, but we are talking "pound for pound" here. Vlad is usually taller and weighs more than his opponents.. If he had more opponents that were his height and weight.. he wouldnn't beat them as easily for sure. As for Floyd Mayweather.. simply put.. he's the Truth. He is extremely confident and talks alot of trash and lots of people hate him for it, but he backs it up every single time! Honestly.. in order to become great you have to have a confident attitude otherwise you hold yourself back by having doubts. I think he's well on his way to becoming one of the greatest if not the greatest boxer, but I want to see him get past fighters like Paul Williams then PacMan to prove it!
Wednesday May 5, 2010 06:52:45 PM
Toby:  No disrespect to Mayweather but he has not fought any of the top guys in their prime. He still needs to fight PacMan to cement his legacy. I don't see this fight happening as Mayweather tries to dictate drug testing. What about the drug injections Mayweather takes for his brittle hands?
Thursday May 6, 2010 02:04:00 AM
DayWon:  PacMan doen't want it with Mayweather! Reason being is.. if he has the chance to shut up Mayweather and also shut up the skeptics that say that he uses performance enhancers at the same time then why wouldn't he just simply take the test!?! If people are claiming he's the best and he's clean then prove it!Micheal Phelps proved he's the best swimmer.. did he cry about having to take a Olympic style testing?? NO! He just did it cause he has nothing to hide! When May and Pac fight the world is going to really see how Manny's defense pails in comparison to Floyds. He is probabaly as fast, but he's too open to get hit. I think it would be safe to say that Manny and JM Marquez fight "similarly" going by there two fights.. Mayweather outclassed him in EVERY way!
Thursday May 6, 2010 04:49:00 PM

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