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KIMBALL'S RINGSIDE REPORT: Pacman Outclasses Clottey
By George Kimball
ARLINGTON, Texas --- Manny Pacquiao defended his WBO welterweight title with a runaway unanimous decision at sold-out Cowboys Stadium, but Joshua Clottey could take some solace in becoming the world’s best boxer’s first opponent in two years to hear the final bell, as well as the only Pacquiao foe weighing more than 130 pounds to go the distance.
Although he didn’t get much respect on the scorecards of the ringside judges, Clottey gained the admiration of the crowd as well as his opponent.
Pacquiao ran his record to 51-3-2 with the win. Asked afterward about a possible Paquiao meeting with Floyd Mayweather Jr., Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach replied, “It’s what the whole world wants to see.
“Just let the commission do its job,” said Roach of the drug-testing issue. “Just get in the ring and fight.”
Alfonso Gomez, who rose to prominence on ‘The Contender’ to become the boxer who retired that late Arturo Gatti, may have done the same favor for former world champion Jose Luis Castillo. After five rounds of a bout in which he had not been competitive, Castillo quit on his stool as his corner informed referee Kenny Bayless that he could not continue. Gomez is now 22-4-2, Castillo 60-10-1.
According to CompuBox stats, Gomez landed 92 punches to Castillo’s 47. The crowd of 50,994 was so worked up by Gomez-Castillo that they spend most of the fight between Humberto Soto and David Diaz attempting, with varying degrees of success, to perform The Wave.
Fighting with his back to the ropes, Soto caught Diaz with a solid left followed by a right to put him down in the first round, and then with ten seconds left in the fight, drove him to the canvas again like a man playing Whack-a-Mole. The Mexican rode those two knockdowns to a unanimous decision over former champion Diaz of Chicago in their bout for the vacant WBC title.
Both David Sutherland and Hubert Minn returned 117-109 scores for Soto, while Gale Van Hoy had it somewhat closer at 115-111. Soto in picking up a championship at his third different weight, is now 51-7-2. Diaz is now 35-3-1.
Although John Duddy had promised “fireworks” in his bout against Michael Medina, their bout quickly transformed itself into a technical battle in which Duddy was more boxer than brawler. After battling Medina on fairly even terms over the first half of the bout, Duddy began to assert himself over the next four, during which he repeatedly tattooed Medina. Although at this point the Mexican seemed to have had most of the fight beaten out of him, Duddy unaccountably took the final stanza off, apparently convinced that he could coast to victory. Only over the final few seconds, when Medina trapped Duddy in his own corner, did the two go toe-to-toe, and the Irishman very nearly got the worst of that when he was clocked by a roundhouse right literally seconds before the bell.
Duddy won by identical 95-93 scores on the cards of judges Mike Mitchell and Charles Phillips. (The SweetScience card favored Duddy by the same margin.) Arturo Velasquez' 96-93 score in Medina’s favor was particularly bewildering, since referee Robert Chapa had taken a point from the Mexican in the eighth round.
In other words, not only did Velasquez score only three rounds for Duddy (as opposed to the six of both of his colleagues), but in only one of those round was his score in accord with both Mitchell’s and Phillips’.
Duddy, in any case, improved his pro log to 29-1 with the victory, his third straight since last year’s upset loss to Billy Lyell. Medina is now 22-2-2.
Nineteen year-old Dallas 122-pounder Roberto Marroquin, a four-time US amateur champion and as fine a prospect as we’ve seen at this weight in nearly three decades, ran his professional mark to 13-0 and registered his 10th career stoppage when he dispatched another hometowner, Samuel Sanchez (4-2-1), at 1:36 of the second.
After knocking Sanchez down in the first round Marroquin had celebrated by kissing his right glove before the opponent had even landed. A hard chopping right in the second sent him barreling over backward. When Sanchez tried to get up only fall back over again, referee Kenny Bayless took him into protective custody, ruling the TKO.
Salvador Sanchez Jr., the nephew, and namesake -- and doppelganger -- of the late Mexican featherweight legend, improved to 19-3-2 with a sixth-round knockout of Texan Jaime Villa. Down once in the fifth and twice more in the sixth, Villa (8-8-2) failed to beat referee Neal Young’s ten-count after the last trip to the canvas and was counted out at 1:09 of the round.
Two earlier bouts involved a pair of Pacquiao’s Filipino countrymen. Junior bantamweight Eden Sonsona (19-5) scored an 8th-round kayo of former world title challenger Mauricio Pastrana (35-13-2). Floored by a straight left, Pastrana was counted out by Young at 1:33 of the round.
Featherweight Michael Farenas’ bout against San Antonio’s Joe Morales came to a premature conclusion when Morales was cut by a clash of heads in the second round, and the result declared no contest. Farenas remains 26-2-3, Morales 20-13.
In other action, California junior middle Rodrigo Garcia (6-0) scored a second-round TKO over Calvin Pitts (5-13-1) of Grand Prairie, Tex., while featherweights Isaac Hidalgo and Arthur Trevino battled to a majority draw in their four-round prelim. Although one judge, Mitchell, scored it a 40-36 shutout for Hidalgo, his card was overruled by the 38-38 tallies returned by Don Griffin and Valasquez. Hidalgo is now 6-5-2, Trevino 5-3-3.
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THE EVENT
COWBOYS STADIUM
ARLINGTON, TEXAS
MARCH 13, 2010
WELTERWEIGHTS: Manny Pacquiao, 145 3/4, General Santos City, Philippines dec. Joshua Clottey, 147, Accra, Ghana (12) (Retains WBO title)
Alfonso Gomez, 145, Guadalajara, Mexico TKO’d Jose Luis Castillo, 144, Mexicali, Mexico (5)
LIGHTWEIGHTS: Umberto Solis, 134 1/4, Los Mochis, Mexico dec. David Diaz, 134, Chicago, Ill. (12) (Wins vacant WBC title)
MIDDLEWEIGHTS: John Duddy, 160, Derry, Northern Ireland dec. Michael Medina, 155 1/2, Monterrey, Mexico (10)
JUNIOR MIDDLES: Rodrigo Garcia, 149 3/4, Santa Ana, Calif. TKO’d Calvin Pitts, 149, Prairie View, Tex. (2)
FEATHERWEIGHTS: Salvador Sanchez, Jr., 125 3/4, Tianguistenco, Mexico KO’d Jaime Villa, 127, Midland, Tex. (6)
Arthur Trevino, 125 , Ft. Worth, Tex drew with Isaac Hidalgo, 125, Tucson, Ariz (4)
Michael Farenas, 127 1/4, Gubat, Philippines drew with Joe Morales, 126, San Antonio, Tex. (2)
JUNIOR FEATHERWEIGHTS: Robert Morroquin, 122, Dallas,Tex. TKO’d Samuel Sanchez, 122, Dallas (2)
Eden Sonsona, 119 3/4, General Santos City, Philippines KO’d Mauricio Pastrana, 119 1/2, Monteria, Colombia (8)
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Frank Z:
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clottey did well in spurts in this fight, he jus tneeded to multiply those about 10 fold to have a shot at winning a decision. it wasn't a case of pacquiao being too sharp, but too active. even several times clottey got in close quarters he would not unload even though he's a better inside fighter than pacquiao. maybe freddie roach got in his head when he said manny will stop himi who knows, but clottey did not come to fight to win, on the other hand props to manny for continuing to pepper clottey to get the points, but other than that wasn't much of a fight.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:14:25 AM
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Frank Z:
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one thing manny did do that i hadn't seen him do before was throw well leveraged body shots, and use his jab better, so he is indeed still improving as a boxer.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:17:55 AM
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Eastar :
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Booooooooring. Pacroid beats a guy who didn't even come to fight. I call a fix. Clottey came to collect his million dollars, and go home. Good going, Josh.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:18:03 AM
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El Maromero:
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Jim Lampley sounded lke he was going crazy in the second half of the fight. He wanted Clottey to fight back more than anyone on cocaine.haha. I bet a lot of people were irritated at the fact that Clottey was not trying to get knocked out tonight. He could have tried to win once he saw that he was able to hit Manny clearly but I guess Manny's speed just takes over every time
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:25:08 AM
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mortcola:
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If you've ever set foot seriously in the ring, you learn a few things. First is, its harder to do it than it is to imagine yourself doing it, watching from the sofa. Second, you have a stance, a technique, things you know how to do better than others; some of them don't work, especially when the other guy is moving faster than your eyes can follow, and every time you blink, there's a sharp pain that takes your breath, or a crunching THWOMP to the face that momentarily scrambles your vision. Unless you're a single-minded Gatti, you don't just wing your punches regardless of what the other guy is doing. What Pac does is execute so fast, so accurately, from so many angles, and with so much sudden impact, that even a fine fighter just can't use his arsenal. And a disciplined fighter is going to find it very difficult to throw shots when his entire balance and timing are disrupted by speed and geometry he's never seen before. Clottey came to win. He just couldn't counterpunch a whirlwind, except on occasion when the winds slowed down for a moment. Doubters, Pac demonstrated that he is, perhaps, the greatest offensive machine we've ever seen, and with enough solid defense and intelligence (and chin and conditioning) to handle whatever he sees in the ring. It is what it is. That can be hard to accept.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:25:12 AM
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mortcola:
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I can smell the smoke coming from Eastar's head And thats not the wacky tobacky that makes him think this was a fix.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:28:20 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Eastar:
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I imagine you shot your yearly load after Floyd's scintillating win of the featherweight legend last September. Luckily for you your boy is back this May for the third time in three years. Until then, try K-Y.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:39:00 AM
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The Saint:
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It must suck to be Frank Z right now. LOL
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:41:08 AM
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The Saint:
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WOW. THe punch stats. Pacquiao threw 1231 punches. He laned 246 which doesn't say much about his accuracy, but it's Clottey we're talking about here. Clotey threw only 399 punches and landed 108. That's a 27% connect rate, which is a testament to Pacquiao's underrated defense, particulary for an all out offense-minded fighter. 108 punches total is 9 punches per round landed by Clottey.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:45:00 AM
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KA-BAR:
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Not a big surprise about what happend...I was impressed with Pacquiaos punch output but Pac did get hit cleanly more then a couple of times and by nights end he looked the worse for wear. Clottey was just fightin' his style and the same thing would've happend to him if he had fought P-Will.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:55:52 AM
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J Smutts:
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I know Manny is a good fighter, but Clottey might as well have e-mailed Manny this win! He could have sent this win via a Pigeon with a note attached, or hell Pony mail express! For those of you who question whethter Clottey came to win, the question is did he come just not to get knowcked out. It seems all ythat he cared about was blocking enough shots to stay on his feet. He would make the best designated driver...... because he doesn't take shots! But I'll be damned if he is ever my bartender.... cause he don't give any shots either! He could've fed everyone in Ghana if he would've won this fight.... hell, starvation it is. I couldn't pay to see him fight Glass Joe. I hope he doesn't end up on Fight Night Round 5 either! His stats would read: Defense 100...... everything else that has to do with offense..... zero. Horrible performance!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:01:24 AM
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DIRDGR8:
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IT WAS AMAZING HOW PACQUIAO BROUGHT HIS SENSE OF HUMOR IN THIS FIGHT UNMINDFUL OF THE EXTRAVAGANCE OF THE VENUE AND THE PRESSURE OF HAVING TO FACE A HUGE GUY IN CLOTTEY. IT WAS WHEN HE SLIGHTLY TAPPED CLOTTEY WITH BOTH HANDS IN ROUND FOUR AS IF SAYING TO OPEN UP A BIT. EXTRAORDINARY OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SKILLS DISPLAYED HERE. NICE WIN FOR MANNY.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:10:41 AM
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djcione:
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As I thought, this fight was PURE GARBAGE, and those that were suckered to pay 50 bucks for this should wise up. I saw parts of it on free TV here in the Philippines and walked away after 3 rounds.
As long Vile Bob gets his $$$, he'll continue to mismatch his gold prize. Wise up fans, and demand a Floyd-Manny mega fight by boycotting this crap.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:12:52 AM
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SALT lover:
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Who would of thought Clottey didn't came to win? Well, the first sentences of my prediction page were: "Is not a question of who's gonna win Is a question if whether Pacquiao can KO Clottey. That's the nature of this fight." That's how those two would square each other. Anyways, congratulations to Pacquiao on beatin' Joshua Clottey............................nothin' else to say. Checkezzzzz!!!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:19:30 AM
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isidro:
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Clottey is in pain and can't let his guard off ,no time anyway.
Watch how he hardened his stomach muscle together with his arms.Where will he take out his offense if he is busy controlling his pain?
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:59:10 AM
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in touch:
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As frustrating as it was to see Clottey survive, Pacquiao did his best to make this as exciting as possible. He is a true "People's champ" as he tried for a ko in the later rounds while Clottey fought to survive. Pacquiao proved once again that he is clearly the best fighter pound for pound and one of the greats in the history of the sport. Winning is not enough for this man, he has a killer instinct and wants to win with an explanation mark each and every time. And he did just that. The only times he got hit is when he was trying to get Clottey to come out of his shell so that he could counter him and set him up for hard punches in the hopes of knocking him out. But what could he do against a man who was not willing to risk being koed? Bravo, Pacman, U have proved yourself worthy of fighter of decade!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:28:27 AM
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blue4cor:
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One thousand two hundred punches thrown by Manny speaks well of how quick are his hands. Clottey avoided getting kayoed by covering his face throughout the fight.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:50:44 AM
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RED:
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Were there any surprises in this fight? No. It went exactly as many of us predicted: Manny connecting from every angle possible; Clottey, ever durable, absorbing punishment but not doing anything remotely close to actually win the fight, especially in the latter rounds, where he seemed happy with merely surviving. Simply stated, Manny broke the man down, he just didn't stop him. Clottey didn’t know what to do. That’s that. I’m assuming Floyd is not worried about what he saw last night. He’s not Clottey. He WILL, I repeat, he will, beat Shane come May. But the Money man should at least be concerned.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:03:43 AM
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TSS reader:
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Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:00:54 AM
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THE Brick:
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who's Clottey the guy that got knocked down by a Cotto jab.............
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:02:34 AM
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Strobe:
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Clottey was in survival mode from the first second of round 1 until the final bell. That fight would cure an insomniac. Boring. Yawn. Zzzzzzz. It wasn't Pacquiao's fault. Clottey did his best Bernard Hopkins impression and forgot that you can't win a fight throwing 15 punches per round. The beauty of a Mosley-Pacquiao fight is the action we'd get. Shane would never pull a Joshua and try and do the Willie Pep and win rounds without throwing a single punch. This fight was effectively over in the 3rd round. The rest was superfluous and unnecessary. A thoroughly putrid performance from Clottey, who should be deeply ashamed of himself. It's time for him to retire.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 11:11:23 AM
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Eastar:
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This fight was set up by Bum Arum how can a man throw over a thousand punches and his opponent only throw three hundred in the biggest fight of his life. It was clear Pacroid was an easy target for Clottey and you can tell from how much Pacgirls face was busted up. Clottey took a million dollar dive so Bum Arum could keep Pacroid "looking good". But everyone knows Pacroid is an overrated fighter. Who's the next Top Rank fighter to take a dive to cement Pacroids 'legacy'? Margarito? Amir Khan? They will all take a few million to 'lose' to Pacroid. Smh Bum Arum is killing this sport.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 11:35:11 AM
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CheatersBeware@Eastar:
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You are correct Bob Arum is killing this sport with these over rated fighters. Who is next Margarito? They can't win fights without cheating
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 12:03:29 PM
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TotoyBato:
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Good move by Mayweather in sabotaging his deal with the Pacman. Mayweather could have been the one in that stadium being completely outclassed and embarrassed. Mayweather's body is not as durable as Clottey's, he will buckle and go down with those kind of body shots. Clottey's turtle defense is far better and hiding that chin than the shoulder roll, Mayweather will be wide open for the devastating KO punch. Mayweather should just bow out and retire. Manny Pacquaio's boxing is fluid and instinctive, he is a true Grand Master. Nobody can match Manny Pacquiao's level of boxing supremacy.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 12:15:40 PM
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Fe'Roz @ in touch:
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You make the salient point. Any other fighter would have cruised to victory after winning the first 7 or so rounds. Manny wanted to knock Clottey out !! But Clottey wanted to retain the only dignity he still had and refused to come out of the shell.... that a constant barrage of hard and fast punches put him and kept him in.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 12:18:56 PM
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Marco Polo:
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Congrats to pac.. and well mr. akon ehem clottey, take chances man. i thought manny would get frustrated by how his opponent fights. well good thing he remain calm and stick to the game plan.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 12:20:34 PM
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Hitting the heavy bag in gym always help you to hit a human one in the ring without getting frustrated. Frustration is an emotion that elite skilled fighters don't play. Clottey was trying to frustrate Pacquiao into fighting like Zab Judah, then BOOM! Lights out.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 12:32:35 PM
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Aaron:
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So what, Pacquiao couldn't even get by MEDGOEN SINGSURAT and RUSTICO TORRECAMPO, the real champions who KO"D PAC. Floyd, step up and fight Rustico and Medgoen if Manny won't.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:07:52 PM
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bill major:
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eastar,are you a pre teen or a elementary school kid? i think you are on the wrong site .this is for knowledgable boxing adults kid.sorry you got lost. as for the fight ,i hoped that clottey would actually throw and thought he would to make it a tougher fight for pacquiao. but... pacquiao shut him down .punched when he didnt,punched when he did and kept turning him. he was nothing but magnificent. i feel mosely will beat mayweather and then we will see a hell of a fight. just a side here,clotteys cornerman got funny as it wore on.did anyone else hear him tell clottey to try something differant like throw punches? i cracked up,he was getting frustrated with him.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:11:14 PM
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flobie:
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Ditto mortcola Ditto! well said. you just cant know until youve been there.its frustrating to read some of this dribble from the armchair ring techs . lol
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 01:20:36 PM
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MisterLee:
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Blah blah blah... Pacquiao hit all gloves and elbows last night, Clottey snapped his head back with left uppercuts, right crosses.... pacquiao DIDN'T crack his defense, (his double punch indicates that), pacquiao DIDN'T hurt him, Pacquiao DIDN'T land cleanly on him, Clottey hurt Pacquiao, Pacquiao never hurt Clottey. Yes, Pacquiao won most rounds, I would give Clottey a few rounds, look at their faces after their fight? Clottey kicked his arse, but his lost the fight. I would say it was a moral victory for clottey, IMO, he made pacquiao look like sh***t. You guys need to get off his nutsack, Pacquiao got hit cleanly many times by a "walking heavy bag", I personally think it was genius that Clottey's defense beat Manny's offense, the rest of ya'll, if ya disagree, it's fine, but that's my opinion. I think I'm gonna blog now about why Clottey and Winky get no love, and why the shoulder roll and flashy combos win fights. It's not even about winning on points, b/c you have to score when you get points, it's just that if you have a shoulder roll, you make a guy miss 20 punches, you jab him once, yo'ure a defensive wizard, if you have shell defense, the hits your gloves 20 times, you connect with a straight right hand, you suddenly "don't want to win the fight" (mayweather vs. clottey). Or you're andre berto getting beat and you throw a few flashy combos on a glove in the last ten seconds suddenly you have "pop" and "hand speed that only comes around once a generatIon" and HBO gets down on your knees. Think about that, it's easy to jump on the bandwagon and wag your finger at clottey, i personally feel he fought brilliant, that he made pacquiao look amateurish, and pacquiao's bruised and beat up face told it all. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 02:14:44 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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There isn't a panther that's any faster and tougher than Manny Pacquiao. I get thrills watching him work. It is a joy to be alive and to be a boxing fan in this era. Yeah, I'm gushing, but I'm allowed to the day after such an impressive victory. All the bright boys here on TSS can tell you why he won and why he's so great. I'm just going to lay back here in awe. Wow. I think it's safe to say that Mayweather was just scared, terribly scared all along and never gave a damn about any blood draws. What are you going to do, Floyd? You can hide in a little hut made of PED protest signs, but we know there's only just chickens in there.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 02:17:48 PM
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ali:
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I knew Clottey was done when he said he doesn't want to get done like Pac past opponents...Y ou can't go into a fight thinking like that what ever happen happens he was just in there to servive.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 02:50:24 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Say what you will. Think what you may. but the truth is this is the same exact Clottey that almost beat Cotto and that had Margarito beat (until he hurt his hands) despite Margarito's ineffective work rate. He is always fighting tight and never throws any more than he has to. if he was excessively timid last night it was because he was afraid to let his hands go. And the only reason for that is that he knew he would get tagged and tagged again a la Oscar. In other words, one bigger man's ineptitude was the result of a naturally smaller man's superiority. Clottey was the same as always but made finally to look worse than anyone else has made him look before. He has not sustained any beatings. He had plenty of time to prepare. He had no weight restrictions. He simply lost to a better man than he has ever fought.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:41:30 PM
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All you guys that criticize Pacquaio just get over it. The guy is a phenomenal fighter period. He fought Joshua "The Turtle" Ploddy who offered no type of real offense and he wouldn't come out of his shell. Pacquaio did the best to make a show out of it as he could. How do you fight someone who is so afraid to risk anything and hold his hands up to his face all night long? Sure Pacquaio gets hit, so does Mayweather. Pacquaio was tireless and that has nothing to do with juicing. I know some will never give him credit and will only see what their eyes allow them to see. When Ploddy did try to punch he got hit five fold for his troubles, so he said to himself that hurts I am going back into my shell because the risk isn't worth the reward. As usual Bill Major is right on.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:44:44 PM
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mortcola@mrlee:
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You OK, Lee? Pac got hit cleanly a few times? Yeah - that kind of happens. You may have bought into the hype without realizing it....Pac is NOT one of the X-Men, or a god, and his defense is good, not great, which is more than made up for by his insane speed and variety of attack. Clottey's own cornerman stated that Clottey was inhibited from fear of Pac's power. As it is, he got hit less than most anyone Clottey has fought. He's an accurate, sneaky counterpuncher, and always has been. As it is, Pac absorbed no more shots than say, Duran did in an average fight, never slowed, never rocked even when tagged cleanly, and he outlanded him by a ridiculous number. He did land cleanly, VERY cleanly -typically after the first two or three in the combination hit gloves and elbows, which is reflected in his relatively low connect percentage. As it is, I think Clottey fought a good fight, the best he could under the circumstances, with his skill set, but that there is simply no way a guy with his repertoire of shots, so outgunned, is going to beat Pacquiao without knocking him out. That was a genius performance against a good one. Now repeat after me - Pac is mortal, Pac is mortal, in boxing you get hit, in boxing you get hit. But you're still my friend.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:45:16 PM
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r\Real Talk.......R U SERIOUS!!!:
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This was the worst Pacquiao fight I've ever seen. Gloryfide sparring session!!! This is an outrage and an insult to boxing. Can ANYBODY.......ANYBODY....in here tell me Clottey didn't take a dive!!! FIX!!!! Wasted my time.....I mean at least make it look halfway decent!!! The man wouldn't even punch!!! Then what was up with all the glove love at the end of each round....smiling and grinning......I mean get a room or something. This was a pathetic excuse for a fight, I'm glad I didn't pay for this an everybody I know who did is pissed!!! Jim Lampley had to overcompensate for the lack of action from JC. Every time Clottey punched he hit Manny flush and snapped his head back, then stop punches like OMG....I might hurt this guy and blow my envelope money. Straight right was there all night. Sad excuse for a prizefight. Dueces
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 03:49:30 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Real Talk:
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Did Clottey decide to take his biggest payday and not try to win. I doubt it. I think he tried but backed off because he doesn't like to get countered fast and hard. Seems fair enough. Not many people invite punishment that they can't reciprocate. Now ask yourself the same question about JMM. When he signed for 4 million dollars, did he think he could go up two weight classes and really compete. Maybe. But in reality he just did his best and was still comfortably on his feet at the end..... and was frankly no better or worse for wear after losing to a much bigger Floyd than Clottey was in losing to Manny. I didn't hear you say that was dive. Or even a sacrifice, which is what it was! He sacrificed every advantage, his dignity an his record to get the biggest check of his life. Clottey fought exactly how he fought Cotto but he lost to a much, much better fighter. In the meantime, that's two elite welterweights for Manny in row. Deal with it, my brother.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:07:55 PM
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mortcola:
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I'm posting this one more time. Just annoys me that people who love to make noise, and don't know that they don't know enough about boxing to know what they're talking about keep talking and talking. "If you've ever set foot seriously in the ring, you learn a few things. First is, its harder to do it than it is to imagine yourself doing it, watching from the sofa. Second, you have a stance, a technique, things you know how to do better than others; some of them don't work, especially when the other guy is moving faster than your eyes can follow, and every time you blink, there's a sharp pain that takes your breath, or a crunching THWOMP to the face that momentarily scrambles your vision. Unless you're a single-minded Gatti, you don't just wing your punches regardless of what the other guy is doing. What Pac does is execute so fast, so accurately, from so many angles, and with so much sudden impact, that even a fine fighter just can't use his arsenal. And a disciplined fighter is going to find it very difficult to throw shots when his entire balance and timing are disrupted by speed and geometry he's never seen before. Clottey came to win. He just couldn't counterpunch a whirlwind, except on occasion when the winds slowed down for a moment. Doubters, Pac demonstrated that he is, perhaps, the greatest offensive machine we've ever seen, and with enough solid defense and intelligence (and chin and conditioning) to handle whatever he sees in the ring. It is what it is. That can be hard to accept."
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:11:39 PM
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Frank Z:
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for the people who are saying pacquiao is beyond criticism for his performance, you are wrong. for those who say clottey fought scared, you are also wrong. to me, clottey from the beginning got psyched out by freddie roach saying they'll make him quit. clottey already was suspect in his mental hardness to finish fights and push through difficult stretches. the truth is, manny still has yet to fight an elusive and slick style, clottey by his natural habit reduced himself to a walking punching bag by the way he behaved. i do not think he was so much afraid of manny's power in the ring as his power outside of it. from the very beginning it was obvious that clottey was getting thrown off by the scale of the fight, by the visa troubles of his trainer, and by roach's words. when clottey did open up and look for offense he was able to find it more successfully than manny even though manny had many more opportunities. compubox is unreliable and doens't tell you the effectiveness of the blows. the people who say manny could not have done anything else in the fight sound worse than the people who side with carl froch in the andre dirrell fight. if you don't like the other guy running, cut off the ring. if you don't like the other guy just covering up and not throwing back, don't just wail at his arms. pacquiao is a phenomenal fighter and his improvement in power, leverage, and accuracy should be commended, but how is he acting different from floyd in their head to head negotiations? he ffeels mentally off giving blood? wouldn'tn the floyd haters say more thana nyone that floyd feels weird having a smaller ring? or letting pacquiao wear the gloves he wants? or with the nickname "money" agreeing to 10 mil with each pound overweight? now all of a sudden we're supposed to TRUST the athletic commissions? floyd was the guy who ran away when bob arum was the one saying all along that the fight was dead before anything even was concluded? again, folks, stop acting like it's two boys in a schoolyard fight with nothing but pride on the line. they're far from the only ones controlling the outcome of fight making, and the reasons either quit is for much mroe than just being scared or whatever. i guess i ranted, oh well. nobody should be above criticism and scrutiny in this game, including pacquiao, i dont' care how much he prays in the corner and how well he doesn't sing at karaokes.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:14:48 PM
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@Easter. Really? Clottey took a dive?! Are you really so pathetic to use that excuse?! Oh wait! I forgot who I was responding to! Yes, Clottey landed a few solid shots on Pacquiao, but Pacquiao won fair and square. Dive? Dive my foot! Who in there right mind would go all 12 rounds with a man like Manny when they were told to take a dive?! At best, if I was going to purposely lose, I would make it into the later rounds and make the fight a little closer if I could before I laid down on the mat. Clottey got outclassed from bell to bell. Let me write a "future" excuse for you. Hmmm... Yes, I can see it now. Mayweather will take a dive against Mosley. It HAS to be because Floyd will beat anybody so must have took a dive against Mosley when he loses coming up here. Someone should let you back into that padded room you left. It's past your curfew. The only dive that happened was the dive your hopes took when Pacquiao unleashed hell once again.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:21:30 PM
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My god where to begin? .... Clottey fought this fight exactly how he has fought his other major fights . . . . He is a very impressive defensive fighter who works off the counter-punch . . . It seems some of us don't even know what a counterpunch is . . . . So why would he change his style and strategy against PacMan of all fighters ? If he had opened up more, he would have been knocked cold which appears to be what some had paid to see (try UFC fight next time) . Clottey did not look so bad as PacMan looked so great & he seems only to be getting smarter, more versatile, & more accurate under Roache....Also, I am so disgusted w/Harold Letterman that I need to mute literally everything this jackass says. To say that Clottey fought "scared" only shows how ignorant & senile he has become.... Please stick him in a home asap
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:27:23 PM
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Texas Referee:
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Pacquiao landed much more legal punches than what he got credit for. Punches that landed on the right side and left of Clottey's chest and neck and under the pits of his arms should have been counted. A Legal punch is any punch that lands on any part of the front or the side of the face, neck and body, including the ears, jaws, sides of the neck, front part of the chest all the way up to the top of the temples and forehead, under the armpits, the stomach and ribs. If it wasn't for HBO politics, the seasoned punch counters would been in place and awarded Pacquiao more like 530 odd scoring punches out of 1,231 thrown ones.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:29:43 PM
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Clottey did not have the heart of a Lion instead his true colors showed having the heart of a mouse , A disgrace to a tru zulu warrior
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:33:41 PM
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Manny threw over 1,000 punches and missed close to 1,000. anybody that has worn gloves knows if you miss that manny punches you are gonna get tired. what is kind of juice is manny taking. it's rumored they inject him in his feet
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 04:50:38 PM
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Mosley-Pacquiao NOW :
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Pacquiao did what he had to do with an inferior foe that while big, was a lumbering, stumbling, slow, deliberate, raw brute that couldn't hit water from the side of a boat. Many of us would love to see Mosley-Pacquiao for all the marbles. Shane will stand in there and fight, not assume a defensive posture and never throw a punch. That's the megafight. Mosley-Pacquiao. There's still a great chance that Floyd won't step foot in the ring with Shane, so it could happen.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 05:03:48 PM
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onizuka:
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Simply put, Pacquiao has his own dignity and refuses to be manipulated into taking $40M and giving his (butt) to anyone who wants it." ---TSS reader "Tony" informs readers of a possible cultural difference which causes certain peoples to interpret Pacquiao's refusal to cater to Mayweather's testing demands
IM HAPPY A NON FILIPINO TOOK A MOMENT TO LACE UP FILIPINO SHOES!!! IT'S ABOUT DIGNITY! SALAMAT PO!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 05:35:23 PM
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Eastar:
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Dive. Clottey can beat Pac if he didn't work for Bum Arum but you know Clottey has to obey his boss if he ever wants to fight Margarito, Khan, or any other fight Top Rank can set up for him. It's a shame but whatever. Floyd don't need the money so he'll never take a dive and that's why Bum Arum won't let Pacroid step in the ring with him. Arum is trying everything in his power to prevent Mayweather from smashing Pacroid. Peace.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 05:50:23 PM
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#1 PacFan "All-Time-Great":
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It's pretty sad to see people criticize a man who risks everything for his fans and the sport. He doesn't force you to watch him entertain his loyal fans. And still you have negativity to say when he does everything in his power to make it a fight. The man could've just cruise to a victory after the sixth round but he still tried to make it a fight. He's a risk taker who doesn't think of himself unlike other boxers. Shame on you for being affilliated to this sport, go back to where you came from because there's no room for losers like you in here.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 05:52:27 PM
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Well said Easter:
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Thanks for speaking the truth Easter. I wouldn't be surprised to find out later that Clottey had his purse bet on Pacquiao by decision. I definitely smell a rate and was the fix in? You better believe it.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:06:36 PM
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YES I DO @ Eastar:
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Don't be telling people " Floyd don't need the money" please. I do! I'm almost broked again. First Big willie. Then the IRS. Then all them damn legal bills. I need as much as I can get because whenever I do make some serious money I lose it. Damn IRS. Why they looking at me all the time!!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:06:59 PM
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mortcola@mosley-pacquiao NOW:
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Clottey has always been an accurate counter-puncher with a solid defense who has made the best of a low punch output, in order to beat or nearly beat everyone he has faced until last night. Your comment makes no sense. But, yes, Mosley-Pac would be a great fight.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:10:31 PM
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Fe'Roz @ mosley-pacquiao NOW:
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Clottey was the same "big, lumbering, stumbling, slow, deliberate, raw brute that couldn't hit water from the side of a boat" that all but beat Cotto last year and Margarito (before he was unveiled the night he fought Shane) the year before. Either Cotto and Margarito is that bad or Manny is that much better.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:18:00 PM
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how could anyone give rounds 1 & 2 to manny? Clottey hit him with accurate shots vs. gloves and elbows. Sigh. I feel everyone likes flash and athleticism vs. real tough shots. I could go second by second every hard shot clottey landed vs. every hard shot pacquiao landed cleanly (could count that on one hand). Holler! The only thing impressive about pacquiao was his sense of humor with the "double punch" b/c he knew he couldn't hurt nor land on Clottey. In other words: "Bang bang bang!" Roach was over confident with his prediction and his fighter's abilities. So much for legendary sparring sessions when Manny "Bruised Face" Pacquiao got beat up but outpointed Clottey. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:42:12 PM
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Eastar:
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Judging by all the Pacroid vs Mosley comments even Pactards are scared to let their man fight Mayweather lol. You see Clottey was never hurt in the fight while Pacroid was all bruised in the face. Just imagine Floyds defence compared to Clotteys and Floyd is a much more accurate puncher too. You Pactards know this better than anybody. If anyone has mastered the sweet science of hit and not get hit it's 'Floyd Money'. Pacroid is good at hitting but it's the not get hit part that escapes his fight game. So we'll see who's who if Pacroid ever grows a set of b@11s and steps in the ring with FMM.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 06:54:33 PM
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Mr.Floyd "not get hit by ducking fighters" Mayweather ain't done sh**t and ain't gonna do sh**t. Mosley gonna pop that guy, and this time Mayweather is doing down worse than 1:59 of round 2 agst Judah, his only legitimate knockdown of his career, that his buddy Richard Steele didn't count, despite the clear knockdown from a counter right hook from Judah. Holler! Mosley boma ye!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 07:04:40 PM
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MisterLee:
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Thru 4 founds Manny steward pointed out pacquiao received more head shots from clottey than de la hoya, hatton, and cotto fights put together. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 07:05:29 PM
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All you guys saying dive really make me laugh. It was like when Tyson lost to Buster Douglas and people were saying Tyson took a dive because no one wanted to watch his fights anymore because he was blasting out people in 90 seconds and people were tired of watching his fights. If Pacquaio didn't wail away at his arms when that was all that was available from Ploddy, what else could he have done? It's not that he hits as hard as Marciano and could blast his arms down. Mister Lee I know you still like Pacquaio. It's all right to admit it.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 07:07:00 PM
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Clottey landed in the low-30's percentage wise. Not bad. Ordinary. About what Duran's opponents landed, if we could go back in time. I think all you novices ought to watch the classics of Duran, Arguello, Pryor, even Armstrong, Leonard, Pep - people GET HIT IN BOXING! Clottey had an element of success - a decent, par for the course connect rate. All it proves is that Pac can get hit. Like every other fighter who has ever gotten in the ring. Less than most of the people Clottey has fought. And, go back and watch to see how effectively Pac threaded the needle between those gloves as the fight wore on. Before and during those later rounds, he landed plenty around the gloves, heavy body shots, and arms and gloves in between. Which, if you know s--t about boxing, can be partially effective even if not scored, because those shots still thud into the recipients head, keep him catching instead of throwing, and obscures vision while setting up for the shots that get through. All gloves? Not by a mile. Learn about boxing, kiddies.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 07:27:09 PM
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donputo69 My last day here at TSS:
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Scareweather-Pacquiao is going to be boring....I hope Mosley wins over scareweather and gets to fight Pacquiao...On one note, Shoulder roll defense of scareweather, protects his head, but with the way Pacquiao throws that body shot is gonna make him body bleed from inside....The ring is not too big for him to run, with the number Pacquiao throws he'll surely get atleast 25% of those punches...As for my final speech...I WANNA THANK TSS FOR SHOWING ME ALOT OF LOVE...ONE YEAR IS ONLY 365 DAYS...LOL...SO I'LL BE BACK....AND BETTER THAN EVER...TODAY IS MY LAST DAY....ALSO..MY FINAL POST FOR 2010...SEE YOU GUYS IN MARCH OF 2011....GOD BLESS YOU ALL AND A FINAL****HOLLA BACK*****....
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 07:33:53 PM
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MisterLee'swrong:
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Mister Lee, I don't know what steriods you are on, but they seem to be the same as the ones Eastar is taking. You two better get off them before you lose your brain cells completely
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 07:42:23 PM
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rudy:
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Hey Eastar? STFU with your nonsense stupid comments. You're Pathetic. Good win for Pacquiao. Truly deserves it. Can wait for Mosley to put the beating on Mayweather!!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:00:17 PM
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MisterLee:
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@ dp69, take care brother! You help to keep this forum interesting and fun. There are too many "blah blah"'s on the forum as it is. The saint, mortcola, and frank z will tap away in your absence. Fo' sho! @ Clone, haha, well you already know what the "status quo" is. Obviously my posts have some truth, but to call me a nut is ignorant. If you want the status quo, read every other post. Don't hate, appreciate. At least I'm giving a different perspective, and not all in on the pac love/nut hugging. Pac looked average, and hit gloves, that's my opinion. The partial hitting crap means nothing, cotto trapped clottey in the corner for 2 rounds with many "partial hits' due to his sprained knee, what happened? Clottey just shook his head and kept coming forward. @ Dave B, i appreciate pacquiao as a fighter and what he does for boxer, but i'm not a pac fan. And i feel he looked average in this fight, and his bruised face shows who really got the beating. I clottey employed a shoulder roll instead of a peek-a-boo.... he'd be a defensive wizard, not "fighting scared". In my book, blocked shots are the same as missed shots: empty and not worthy of points. If this were a volume contest, they should just shadow box and see who racks up the most punches per round, kind of like a martinez williams fight, volume means nothing without connects, and i maintain partial connects, compared to full connects (Clottey did have the "best punch of the fight" around round 5) are nothing. Clottey was never staggered or hurt. Give him some credit and some props. I dunno why the boxing world is so anti clottey. First he kicks Cotto's arse, and he boxes well IMO agst the best p4p fighter, and all i hear is nag nag nag, clottey shoulda done this, should done that, he's one of a kind, at least note a few things: 1.) he didn't allow pacquiao to land nor hurt im 2.) that he was fast and peppy enough to counter and hit pacquiao with clean left hooks, uppercuts, right crosses, and body shots 3.) That pacquiao had the bruised face, and clottey had the more eye catching shots. Don't be so biased that you can't see clottey's merits. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:12:54 PM
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The only thing i would agree on is that clottey would have to do something and THEN some to win a pacquiao fight, b/c like the cotto fight, the cards are stacked agst him, he wasn't the bigger draw, he needed a Knockout or a clear cut decision to win, and he didn't do it, but i still maintain clottey fought well. Holler! Take care.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:14:01 PM
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donputo69 @MisterLee:
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Good Looking my brother....holla back!!!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:15:54 PM
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Isaiah:
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There will always be a few people that refuse to live in reality and even if something is played right out in front of them, it's easier to just come up with an irrational excuse then face reality. Yes, Manny Pacquiao can be hit. He is a human being, not actually SuperMan. Clottey is a good and skillful welterweight in this and any other era. Clottey would give any welterweight today all they could handle. A man who gave a pre Mosley Antonio Margartio and a 1 loss Miguel Cotto all they could handle and a man with wins over Diego Coralles and Zab Judah is no bum. Anyone that was stating Clottey as a bum doesn't know boxing. So, that logic is invalid. Point #2. Clottey threw the fight? I can't think of a man alive that would be told to throw a fight against a really fast, hard hitting and skillful guy like Pacquiao, but go the whole 12 rounds and not offer up some more resistance then what Clottey offered. If I was in charge and wanted Clottey to throw the fight, I would have him make it look good to the middle or late rounds and then fall and stay down. Isn't that really what taking a dive is? Add it up. Clottey was simply outclassed. Now, Floyd Money Mayweather or as I like to think FMM stands for, Fraud Maggot Moochweather, is a legit threat against Pacquiao and a few crazies might still think it's the Pacman avoiding HIM. Really? If the thought process of Floyd really is, "Hey! I can beat Pacman no matter what he does!" Then, now follow me on this one... Wouldn't YOU drop the random blood test demands and straight up whoop him in the ring and then have the commission test him right after the fight to expose him if he's a steroid user? I'm serious Floyd fans! If your guy is SO bad, why not whoop Manny's @$$ inside the ring and then expose him right afterwards and still be able to collect that fat money?! If I'm confident, I'd get in there with the same boxing rules there's always been and then expose Manny in BOTH ways on the same night! If you say, well Mayweather wants to clean up the sport, then wouldn't YOU take this up with the commission instead of just talking about imposing your own custom way? Wouldn't that be the way someone who's interested in cleaning up the sport would act? I think deep down inside, some of you all are not liking Floyd's chances against Pacquiao. Remember Floyd fans, it was YOUR guy that said he'd beat Pacman EASY, steroids or no steroids. That's basically a straight up direct quote from the Floyd man himself. It's real simple Floyd fans. Fight Manny with the CURRENT rules now or if he's soooooo interested with cleaning up boxing, then take up with the commission. There you go! It's that simple! Who's REALLY the fraud here? Here's a hint. It isnt' Manny! LOL!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:20:20 PM
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TotoyBato @ ignorant fools:
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SWALLOW THAT CROW and be grateful that you are witnessing GREATNESS in your beloved sport of boxing. A missed shot is one that hits nothing but air. 1,200 PUNCHES LANDED on Joshua Clottey.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:39:37 PM
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Isaiah:
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Man! It's going to suck a little more in here without the don. Like I said in the other recent article, keep your chin up donputo! Even in prison, GOD'S got plans for you my TSS brother! See you back here in a year or less! Come back in one piece man! I know you're probaly off the computer by now, but I'm going to wear the Mayweather hating crown you passed on to me with pride! Also, I request my TSS brothers and even Editor Mike if you will sir, to give the don a good sendoff. The Saint, #1Pacfan, SALTlover, Misterlee, Fe'roz, Mortcola, everyone else good with me and really just everyone, I request a proper sendoff for the don. Cmon TSS brothers! Throw in your 2 cents for one of our best if you haven't already!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 08:48:24 PM
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oskar:
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@misterlee... Try watching some interviews of Clottey at his locker room after the fight even though his skin is black it can't hide the fact that it’s swelling especially at the nose part. Clottey couldn’t get off because Pacman didn’t gave him opportunity it’s either blocked or get hit while hitting back and Clottey chose to blocked. Clottey lose to Pacman by a wide margin even if they didn’t count the punches that Pacman throw at the gloves, arms and shoulder of Clottey so his guard would drop off still some penetrated through and that shows that Pacman can penetrate a peek a boo style defense. No one could limit Clottey being on defense for whole 12 rounds even with Cotto, Clottey got offensive rounds. Clottey didn’t even defend with the intention of winning, he defends not to get hurt and get knock out.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 09:00:58 PM
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in touch at Mister Lee:
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Mister Lee, I'm quite surprised by what U have written about how U perceived the fight. When I read your posts, even tho I might disagree, they have a certain intelligence. These posts on this article have amazed me. It seems like u wanted to take the other side for the sake of taking the other side. To which u write something to the affect of having a different perspective. But it has to be based on facts and at least some common sense. Clottey himself said this was the first fight he really lost. How U managed to see it different is beyond me. Like I said I usually respect your take on issues. This one has me baffled. Is it just to try to stand out and be different? Or is it to see what kinda negative response u can get from others? And those believing that Pacquiao dominated actually have cause to believe that. It was, in fact, as the judges had it 12 - 0 in rounds. Or, if u like, 12 - 1. Some of those body shots, in combinations of three and four, seemed very hard. In round 8 or 9, Clottey was kicking into air to shake off the stiffness in his leg. U can see it in the replay of the fight. This is during the round. His legs must have been tightening up from the body shots. I take nothing away from Clottey. I have respect for him as a boxer. That is why he has the record he has... against credible opponents. It was just that Pacquiao dominated him with his speed. Speed in boxing is an amazing weapon. Nothing can combat that. U remember a guy named Sugar Ray Leonard? ODH in his prime. And now Pacquiao and Floyd. That is why they dominate fights. Speed. Why not give credit to a man who, when he was far, far ahead on the scorecards, went for broke and still tried to stand toe to toe against a bigger man? If there was anyone else in there against Clottey and had an 8 round lead going into the 9th, he would have taken his foot off the pedal, yet Pacquiao tried even more so to engage in a stand-off. This is why many of us regard him as a true champ; his heart and willingness to fight with every ounce of blood that pumps in that heart.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 09:50:07 PM
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Thanks dottie for a "psychological analysis". It's hardly noticeable that saying a fighter looks like sh**t equates to being a mass murderer. Haha... but glad you enjoy my writing. Having intention and sparring with others' intentions is what i do, but cloning? Ha! I won't even go there, EM knows the trick the b/c he sees all the users and their emails. Cloning is for pple who have weak identities and no confidence and no honor. However, I happen to have strong ethics of all 3 of them. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 09:53:00 PM
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MisterLee @ intouch:
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Yo yo! Nah man, well i've always been boxing fan, who's been keen on Pac, but not a fan. When he crosses fists with my favorite welterweights: paul williams, mosley, clottey, and collazo, im'gonna alwasy go for my guy. I do have a bad temper (not violent, but bad) i like to hide, but yeah, i'm straight pissed that as clottey fan, clottey gets hated on so much, esp. since i felt he beat cotto, and not a single article on the TSS nor any other publication COMMENDING clottey for beating up cotto, or for doing decent agst pacquiao . Everyone seems to focus on what clottey didn't do, or isn't, and the fact that pac fans are hating on clottey, and hailing pac when his face shows he got beat up. THat'smy thing, i'ma loyal fan to boxers, win or lose, i don't jump on the bandwagon just b/c manny or anyone is hot. Mosley boma yet! and btw, i was the only guy in the bar cheering for clottey before during and after the fight. I got to admit the bar got real quiet during the fight, i owe that to clottey. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:00:15 PM
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This is boxing, people do get hit. If you don't get hit it means you ain't doing sh*t. Pacquaio gets hit because when you throw a punch it leaves an opening. Ploddy doesn't get hit much because he is basically defensive minded and a counter puncher. When he has on ear muffs all night long he will not get hit often. Think of how many times Pacquaio would get hit if he was defensive minded, wore ear muffs, and only threw 400 stinking punches over the course of a 12 round fight. Ploddy is boring and takes defense to new levels like all defensive minded mainly fighters or safety first fighters. Of course people want to protect themselves but it is the taking it into the stratosphere that fans don't like. People say they are not going to kill themselves for the fans and I do agree with that to a point. But don't call people haters when they don't get excited about seeing certain fighters fight and don't call people nuthuggers because accolades go to the fighter that puts on a good show. It takes two to tango and one to say no. That is why Ploddy has never really been on the big stage until recently and hasn't made the curtain call even though people were always saying how tough a fighter he was. The boxing public isn't stupid. There will always be boxers who will have good records and are good fighters but they are not the ones the public wants to see for whatever reasons, usually they are not exciting and you cannot force a bad set of goods on anybody. Maybe he did the best he could but to me IMO it didn't look like he did but I wasn't the one in there. Last night he shouldn't have been either. Don hurry back bro, miss you.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:07:46 PM
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Yo dave! you spit righteous! You're like Ben stiller's dad in Along Came Polly, you rarely speak, but when you do, that sh**t is true. I may not agree with everything, and i disagree, i think the boxing public is VERY dumb, when i went to the mosley may presser, everyone , like 90% were cheering for floyd, mainly b/c he's mainstream, a pseudo-thug, and they were crying out for a "knockout" when they don't know that floyd's hands are too brittle to hurt him, that he can't take to the body, that mosley has never been knocked out, and that mosley has more power. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:25:02 PM
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and floyd's resume is as padded as Everlast gloves. Holler!
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:25:52 PM
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"He's been here since 2001, and he's been fighting nothing but the best," said trainer Emanuel Steward. "I don't recall a fighter -- maybe Sonny Liston -- who comes into a fight with so much attention. He fights everybody. He fights hall of fame fighters. You don't see that too often." Nuff said, haters.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 10:31:04 PM
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@MisterLee, so you think that Pacquiao was the one that got beaten last night? Clottey must be spitting blood right now from all those body shots. Remember in the corner that Clottey's nose was bleeding. If you've been around boxing as long as I have you'll notice that black fighters don't bruise easily(that's a compliment lol). I've never seen Clottey bruised in all of his fights so it don't mean nothing. Pacquiao is like the Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, LeBron, Jim Brown, OJ, etc...in a sport that has lacked attention from the globe for many years. I'm won't be surprised if Pacquiao will start to crossover to our local commercials.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 11:44:17 PM
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Gotta agree with what this Mr. Lee cat is saying. I had Clottey winning the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 8th, 9th, and 12th rounds, and scored it 114-114, a draw. Pacquiao hit gloves or missed virtually all night. Clottey landed the heavier, more telling blows. Just look at Pacquiao's mug. This fight reminded me a whole lot of Hopkins-Calzaghe. Calzaghe threw more punches, all powder puffs that Hopkins smiled at, and they gave the decision to Joe just because he was slapping at Hopkins (and never hurt him or even remotely got Bernard's attention). This was the same thing all over again. But I had it a draw and would have liked to see Clottey land just a shot or two more in the 11th and he wins the fight.
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 11:49:32 PM
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Real Talk @ Feroz:
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What fight were you watching??? Or what sparring session. This was the worst joke of a prizefight that I can remember an I'm really straining my brain over here. We aint talking about nothing but this grand larceny committed by Bob Arum. Clottey would've killed Manny. He couldn't hurt Clottey...@ all. He hit him with everything and didn't budge him. Clottey had his lowest punch output ever, but whenever he punched he couldn't miss Manny. Had the reach but didn't jab, everytime he punched he moved Manny. I can't beleive you sitting up here trying to defend this JOKE we just witnessed. Clottey got some DIVE MONEY!!! I've watched plenty of Clottey fights. He did nothing for 6 rounds!!! I'm pissed....an I didn't even buy the fight. This fight was a BUST!!! Dueces
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 11:54:45 PM
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Fe'ROZ @ Slow Boater:
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Can we assume that you also witnessed John Kerry running for cover and leaving his men exposed to enemy fire on the Mekong as well. What fight were you looking at? Pacquiao hit whatever was available, stepped to the side and turned Clottey and banged him hard again in every round. Yes he took some shots. Clottey can fight. But he lost by a country mile. And deserved to. Only a blind man or a hater can deny what Clottey's corner saw and said itself. "You're losing every round. Do something!"
Sunday Mar 14, 2010 11:59:59 PM
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Real Talk :
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Donputo69, hold ya head . I'm going to hold the site down till you get back. It could be better but it could be worst. You got 1 year to do some soulsearching and focus on you brother. After the darkest night always comes a brighter day. Peace n Blessings
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:02:09 AM
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Fe'ROZ @ Real Talk:
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Don't be mad at Arum or Manny. Both made the best fight possible when Shane and Berto were already signed for January and Floyd was looking for an excuse not to fight. Clottey almost beat Arum's other cash cow last June and his other Mexican star Margarito before that. Both were solid fights and I didn't hear any complaints then. Your logic is as bad as your attempt to discredit Pacquiao is transparent.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:07:24 AM
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Real Talk @ Feroz:
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So what you calling me a hater Feroz!?!? That fight was rigged!!!! Fixed!!! Some bullshyt!!! I got nothing against Pac the fighter, only a fool couldn't see Clottey wasn't fighting. Even when Pac was out of range he never punched, just walked in doing nothing!!! Pac came to fight like he was suppose to. Clottey got some extra bread from Arum to make sure the cash cow didn't get damaaged. Don't waste my time like I'm about to see a fight, by drinks, seafood, etc. to watch a F___king sparring session with all the glove love @ the end of every round. That $#!t was a travishamockery!!! Dueces
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:07:45 AM
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Fe'ROZ @ Real Talk:
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You doth protest too much my good brother!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:11:31 AM
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#1 PacFan "All-Time-Great":
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@RealTalk, I don't know how you can agree with that bullsh*t about the fight being fixed. You're a F'in fool to believe that sh't. Arum just put Manny in their with one of the dangerous Welterweights and you can sit there like an idiot agreeing that it was rigged even though you didn't watch it. If you'd watch the whole entire fight you'll see that Clottey was not mentally ready for this fight. He looked so nervous in the dressing room I knew he wasn't ready mentally. You're just pissed because Manny is really stealing all the limelight from Mayweather. Seriously you sound fake ass hell to me right now.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:39:36 AM
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#1 PacFan "All-Time-Great":
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@Fe'Roz, don't let these fake @sses walk all over you man. You're the most peaceful poster on here which is why they try and bang you around. You have to show some temperament around here sometimes.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:42:36 AM
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Fe\'ROZ @ #1 Pacfan:
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You know as well as I do that throwing punches and missing altogether takes as much if not more energy as throwing accurate power shots. I'm enjoying them flailing and wailing as their specious and often ridiculous conspiracy theories undermine not only their argument but their overall credibility. You all know me well enough to believe me when I tell you that I read multiple newspapers daily and as many boxing blogs. The number of sources supporting their position is less than the number of readers here that agree with them. The five TSS readers that refuse to give Manny his props can find solace on a site dedicated to the one they love. The URL is forbidden here but the site is named for the man himself: Floydmayweather
Monday Mar 15, 2010 01:00:02 AM
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in touch at Mister Lee:
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I understand U r upset about Clottey vs Cotto. That was a close fight. And it could have gone either way. In this sport, sometimes the man that steps on the pedal when at that crucial point gets the gift. U have to admit, Cotto stepped on the pedal in the last two rounds and Clottey took his foot off the pedal. I have no idea why. I was screaming my lungs off, begging for Clottey to take the fight to Cotto. If u look at great fighters in the history of this sport, they always let it all hang in those crucial moments. Clottey does lack that spirit. I will not deny that he's a solid fighter, but fights are won by throwing punches. Especially when a fighter (like Clottey) has a good defense. The next necessary step is a good offense. But seriously man, u can't be that upset about what happened between Clottey vs Cotto and take that out on Pacquiao. To say that you think Clottey put up a good showing undermines all the other comments you make. People look at u as being confused 'cause u see one fight so obviously wrong, when in actual fact u see other fights right. See what I mean? U and only a couple others seemed to have seen a different fight than the rest of the world.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 01:53:12 AM
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in touch at Fe'Roz:
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Some people have a block with seeing greatness. That's what makes this world such a beautiful place; everyone's different pov. And that very thing is what makes this world a confused place. I cannot fathom how people cannot see how great Pacquiao is. Ever since he beat Barrera -- who used to be one of my favorite fighters -- i recognized greatness in Pacquiao, but others need a longer time to adjust. It will not be this fight against Clottey, but the next fight that people will see the truth. U r just ahead of others in knowing the truth.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 01:59:34 AM
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NEWV @ someone LOL:
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.....whatever u say at the end of the day a win is a win. and for clottey why in the hell would u say that u didnt feel his power if u are on defense the whole 12 rounds....if u didnt fell pacquiaos power then u will go on offense!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 03:47:15 AM
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blue4cor:
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Clottey is absolutely lying when he said he didn't feel Pacquiao's power. I totally agree with you NEWV. If Pac wasn't hurting him why can't he fight back or just raise his arms and let Manny keep hitting him. And when it was his turn he could have unleashed his it's my turn wrath on Manny. He could have created a wild uproar among the 50 thousand fans watching the unexpected nightmarish dream unfolding.The fight would have become an invinsible King Kong inspired movie that put an end to a real life super hero.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 04:55:35 AM
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Johnny:
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Geez People open your freaking eyes. If ever there was a predeternmined fight it was this one. All Clottey did was cover up all night. Why? Because the fight was fixed!!!!! This crap has gone on in boxing forever and this one was so obvious it was sickening. Just embarassing!!!!!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 08:19:36 AM
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NEWV @ blue4cor:
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that is just true brother!!that is just true!!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 09:32:08 AM
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The Saint:
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I'm amused at the new lows Mayweather's Mindless Minions are willing to go. Now Clottey took a dive? Clottey actually won? LOLLLLLLLL. I say just stick with your PED fairytales or else just wake up to reality that Mayweather is racist, overrated coward who stands ZERO chance against Pacquiao.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 09:34:44 AM
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CheatersBeware:
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Greatness is great when you are not a cheater! When it's a level playing field. When you use your natural born god given talent an incorporate that with the skills that a trainer has given you. Michael Jordan was GREAT! Ali,Louis,leonard,Chavez.Nothing illegal or PED's is mentioned when you speak their name.There's a rumor coming out of Wildcard Gym Manny is being injected under his feet.they always talk about how Manny's leg is hurt then the next day his leg is fine. Must be the PED's taking effect.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 10:21:36 AM
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The Saint:
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@Cheaters beware: I know your life's motto: "Ignorance is bliss." One of the MAJOR side effects of the PEDs Pacquiao is being accused of is decreased stamina. I suppose Pacquiao would've thrown 2400 punches against Clottey if it weren't for the PEDs. LOL
Monday Mar 15, 2010 11:23:54 AM
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@ Cheater's Beware:
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Show us the medical records of Ali, Louis, Leonard, Chavez and/or any of your favorite fighters. Until and unless you do so .... given your ridiculous accusations .... you need to show us evidence of two things. A, that a pattern of cheating existed and still exists. B, that all other are clean. According to you and the fools who think like you, everyone is a cheater unless proven innocent. Until you show me the goods, do us a favor and STFU !!!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 11:42:37 AM
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Real Talk@ #1 Pacfan:
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What you drunk or something??? Read my comments again an understand what I'm saying. I never said one bad thing about Pacquiao idiot. I'm talking about the team behind him who RIGGED this fight. Call it what you want, I know what I saw. The man was never hurt by Pac's punches, wouldn't punch back, had every opportunity to and didn't. I know Clottey's style, he's a counterpuncher who uses the jab and sometimes waits for you to finish punching then apply's the pressure with punches while you are reseting. He jabs from the outside, hooks from the outside. Oh I get it...Pac hits too hard right. He can counter Margo, Cotto...but not Pac cuz Pac hits too hard. Spare me..... @ mortcola...I've been in the ring, I'm going today to get my rounds....so don't assume I'm talking out my neck over here. I said Pacquiao's hands are fast as S#!T when watching the fight....I was impressed......but he couldn't hurt Clottey and Clottey could've did Damage because his style was giving Manny problems every 10 seconds of the rounds he used it. Bob Arum pulls strings and Clottey got that envelope money. Look @ Arum sitting at ringside....like he was listening to Bob Marley(don't worry...about a thing) with that smirk on his face. Freddie Roach wasn't worried @ all. That man Clottey's punch output was 20 punches lower than his average. He walked around the ring for all of 2:45 of most rounds. It aint just me...EVERYBODY I talked to says the same thing.....the fight was some bullshyt.......RIGGED. Now for those of you who have trouble comprehending........I'm not criticizing Pacquiao AT ALL!!!! COMPRENDE !!!! Like I said b4 the fight, Clottey aint coming to win...I new that. What irked me is he aint even make it look half way convincing. Now what's irking me is the fact that so many up in here act like they didn't watch the same fight I watched. Holla Back!!!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:13:47 PM
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The Saint:
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@@Cheaters beware: Easy there, he DID provide evidence. He said that there were rumors coming out of the Wild Card Gym. LOL.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:15:53 PM
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The Saint:
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@Real Talk: You "ain't criticizing Pacquiao at all." LOL. Right. You just want to take credit away from him for doing something that Mayweather in his wildest dreams doesn't have the skillset to do. If I were Clottey I would've exposed my invincible chin to take a full punch from Pacquiao and drop like a sack of potatoes to convince everybody. I would've even twitched a few times on the canvas the way Apollo Creed did against Ivan Drago. Just because your girl Floyd can't do it, it don't mean the greatest fighter of generation, Pacquiao, can't. Get over it. I can't wait to hear your excuses after Pac sodomizes Mayweather in the ring. LOL.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:22:59 PM
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MisterLee @ in touch:
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Let's all just agree to disagree. I never forced my idea or interpretation on others, I never said that pacquiao didn't win the fight. Though I am over the Cotto fight, I bring it up to note similarities (being underdog and being on someone else's home turf with advantages of promoters, judges, commentators, fans etc.). I commend and thank the pple who do give clottey credit being who he is and what he is. However, it's just the circle of life, everyone or someone's always going to disagree with you, I don't need other pple to agree with me nor do I write to conform to that. I have my personal feelings, and I feel no need for pple to be threatened by it nor horrified. I never took away pacquiao's past achievements nor have i ever said he "wasn't great" etc. My opinion is my own, I don't need to manufacture it so it conforms with others, others may enjoy theirs as they choose just as i do. Deuces. Cheerio. Holler!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:30:59 PM
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Fe'ROZ @ Real Talk:
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Not that I agree but I'll settle for the middle ground. Roach, Arum and Manny all knew that Manny could outwork and outpoint Clottey under almost any circumstances and that factored into taking the fight. And Floyd Mayweather knew when he signed the contract with Featherweight king JMM at a catchweight of 144 and then paid to come into the ring at 146 that he could control and dominate Marquez no matter what. I'm not calling anything a fix because I don't make those kinds of accusations. But I am willing to acknowledge that Manny's team made a calculation that Clottey was beatable ... as long as you are willing to make the same concession. That's as far as I'm willing to go.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:48:43 PM
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Tex T:
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You don't have to get the medical records, which are private and none of your business. Did you ever hear of HIPPA? Just go to Youtube and listen. Ali and Leonard used novocaine for their bad hands. Louis used cocaine to help him relax from the names that he was called by white fans. In later life, he became addicted. Chavez used beer, cocaine and marijuana. Duran used a Panamian stimulants to help him come down in weight. Sugar Ray Robinson used doping with cow and goat blood and marijuana. Until the commissions started issuing water for the corners, some boxers had beer, wine and all other types of stimulants and PEDs in their bottles that they were drinking between rounds. The game has changed a lot. Todays fighters are more clean than ever.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 12:55:07 PM
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Fe'ROZ @ TexT:
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You are the first one to have met my TSS Challenge. I asked for evidence of boxing's past and present purity and/or the lack thereof. Anyone that has been on this planet (literally) long enough knows that athletes in the past in every sport used 'enhancers', pain-killers etc that were both legal and illegal by law and within their sport. Accusing any one man without evidence requires that the accuser bear the burden of proof. I extend that burden to those that accuse just Manny Pacquiao. to have an credibility with me, they need to meet mine (actually Thomas Hauser's) challenge. Show me the evidence.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 01:05:49 PM
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Tex T:
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Thomas Hauser has asked that boxers, including Oscar Delahoya, sign the release forms. Once Oscar sign that form, all of his fans will be shock that he is a hypocrite and one of the greatest users of PEDs. The sports is cleaner today. But has a long history of PEDs usage from even the greatest boxers, especially including Floyd Mayweather, Jr and Sr, Roger Mayweather and Jeff Mayweather. Just go and listen to some of the interviews on Youtube or read the well written books by Bert Sugar, Thomas Hauser and the boxers and suppliers of the PEDs themselves. I got some horse to rope, so I'm signing off.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 01:18:33 PM
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Real Talk @ Saint:
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I can't wait to see this fight to buddy!!! I got the utmost....supreme....unconditional beleif in what May is going to do in there. You aint never seen Pac in the ring with that type of animal or even close...beleive that !!! The ring generalship will be his undoing. If he would've fought Floyd like that he would've went to sleep.......YEAH I SAID IT !!! My man still eats the straight right like PACMAN . Good body work by Pac though, good fast combos with thunder on'em. C...I aint like most of you worshippers in here .I give props where do. @ Feroz, I smell it....I'm not changing my position. That's my take an I'm sticking to it. No love lost and respect as always but Clottey didn't even try to fight. That's one hard African, an after about 5 or 6 rounds I saw something in Pac's face I never saw b4.....FEAR!!! He knew he couldn't hurt Clottey but Clottey could hurt him and did. Dscraceful is what Clottey did. He made himself look like a lapdog and let his countrymen down. I lost more respect for Gha fighters after this one, but hey...he got paid LOL. Dueces
Monday Mar 15, 2010 02:18:35 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Real Talk:
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I saw something in Manny's face as well that I haven't seen in a while but I don't think it was fear. It looked more like exhaustion ... or maybe fear of getting exhausted. Frustration is probably more accurate. If roach is to be believed (and I think he is), their strategy was to hit Clottey and back off and wait for him to return fire and thus open up. Well, surprise, surprise! Clottey didn't fall for it. So maybe the expression we saw a mixture of frustration, exhaustion and surprise. Or as Yogi might say: He was just Flustrated.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 05:21:31 PM
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#1 PacFan "All-Time-Great":
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@RealTalk, Like I said, if Manny didn't hurt Clottey how in the hell is his nose started to bleed? Or why is his right cheek bruised up? Marg and Cotto don't throw 6-8 punch combo, Marg and Cotto don't have the footwork, lateral movements, and ability to hit and dodge a punch. Clottey caught him with some good counters but Manny answered back with punches of his own not one, not two, 3, 4, 5, 6, but 7 punch combos. Or he either smothered himself on Clottey so he couldn't get off. Seriously foo you need to watch that fight again to really understand how Manny manhandle Clottey. Cotto was able to fight off Clottey so you're saying Manny who throws 3 times more can't do the same. You're a joke like the Mayweathers for real.
Monday Mar 15, 2010 06:04:11 PM
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Real Talk @ Feroz:
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I agree...exhausted, frustrated and surprised.....in that surprise was a lil bit of OH SNAP!!! He felt Clottey's power too. A comment from your other article was on point. When you mentioned that Freddie Roach knew they could outwork Clottey with the output , angles, and variety of punches. I'm with you on that an if any dispute that go check my comments in the news in review!!! Pac aint need any help in beating Clottey because Pac had all the tools to win. It was no need for the tampering from the Bobfather!!! I have no beef with Pac, like I said I'm a Pac fan because I'm a boxing fan....do the math. It's many styles in boxing....I like many styles of boxing. I know what I saw an I've got over 20 opinions with the question.....what you think about the fight. Only one said something good about the fight. You know what he said...you might be right but my guy won. I want real fights. Bob Arum said Top Rank fighters fight....not Saturday Bob!!! I know bull$#!t when I see it . Dueces
Monday Mar 15, 2010 10:14:00 PM
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Real Talk@ #1 Pacfan:
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You know......I was actually on board with you all the way to that last sentence homie. Then you come out the side of ya face with I'm a joke....funny. Do you know me.....it's obvious you don't. I'm the truth like the Mayweather's. One thing about me I don't give a ratz how you ...or anybody else up in here feels about me. I'm a mans man homeboy. Alfa male. I handles my business an I aint trying to run with the crowd up in here. I call it like I see it. A ace a Ace an a spade a spade. It's so glaringly blatant what was going on in the fight. The man did nothing for 6 rounds!!!! What part of that you don't understand??? Why don't you go gargle and get Pacquiao's D!ck off your breath. For real I'm good with my hands and the cannon's. I back up ALL mine! Same thing make you laugh make you cry, but you're way over there so I'll save my energy. You gon get me heated and some poor bastard is going to catch it out here when normally I would've let'em slide. It's all good, I'm going to watch the fight again n see if it's something I missed. I did have a bad yellow bone next to me, but I was iggin her an watching the fight. I gets in the screen. Pac looked vicious...but he couldn't dent the defense of Clottey. Clottey is just a F__Kboy. Yell @ me!!!
Monday Mar 15, 2010 10:32:44 PM
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rd1867:
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well guys manny pacman was the great champ.so u easters get lost.do something useful.
Tuesday Mar 16, 2010 02:13:54 AM
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Femmo:
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Solis or SOTO?
LIGHTWEIGHTS: Umberto Solis?, 134 1/4, Los Mochis, Mexico dec. David Diaz, 134, Chicago, Ill. (12) (Wins vacant WBC title)
Tuesday Mar 16, 2010 04:29:37 AM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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