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Klitschkos & Heavyweight Stranglehold
By David A. Avila
No other weight division in professional boxing is in as thick of a mess as the much ballyhooed and nothing to do heavyweight division.
The big boys just aren’t doing it.
Because Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko hold three of the major world titles the division has sunk into a virtual debutante façade where the brothers are eager to fight in Europe against fellow Europeans or inexperienced Americans.
They’ve fooled the entire world the past several years.
Young Wladimir Klitschko has Eddie Chambers in front of him in a fight scheduled for next week. That’s actually a step up from his brother. Years ago it was Vitali who was challenging all comers, now it’s Wladimir.
What happened?
I remember when Vitali was hungry and chasing then world champion Lennox Lewis. He chased and chased and through a stroke of luck when an opponent fell out there was Vitali to step in. That fight was one of the best heavyweight bouts in the last 20 years.
Since that day in 2003 the elder Klitschko has evaded two Americans in particular while fighting carefully selected victims. One of the Americans he avoided was Evander Holyfield and the other James Toney.
Now readers are going to say those guys are irrelevant. But we’re talking about the last 10 years not just this year and last year. Basically the Klitschkos have run away from challenges much like Vitali did against Chris Arreola when they fought. Yes, he won the fight. But I don’t ever remember him fighting that way against any other fighter.
“I’ve been chasing the Klitschkos too long,” said Toney by telephone. “Everybody says they can kick my butt so why don’t they fight me then?”
That makes sense. You would think if a fighter knew he could win easily and make more money than fighting a relatively unknown heavyweight it would be an easy choice.
Remember. This has been going on for almost 10 years.
Maybe I’m picking on Vitali too much, but I have my reasons. When he fought Lewis at the Staples Center with more grit and guts than I had seen since Holyfield and Riddick Bowe’s collisions, it made me a big proponent of the big Ukrainian. He was a crowd pleaser. He’s no longer that hungry fighter. He wants the easy fights now.
Let’s look at Wladimir.
First, he has Emanuel Steward training him and the veteran trainer told me way back that someone like Toney was too dangerous. That must be the case because when Toney battered Hasim Rahman in July 2008 it must have really substantiated what Steward had always said: “James Toney is too dangerous.”
Sure enough, five months after Toney beat up on Rahman, it was Rahman who was chosen by Wladimir Klitschko to fight.
Of the two brothers it has been Wladimir who is taking more challenges especially in fighting Chambers on March 20.
“We got Eddie Chambers fighting Wladimir and if he wins it opens up a whole new horizon for Manny Quezada and some of our other heavyweights,” said Dan Goossen, president of Goossen-Tutor Promotions who has Toney, Arreola, Quezada and Chambers.
Wladimir Klitschko has fought Ruslan Chagaev, Sultan Ibragimov and Lamont Brewster to name a few. Those names aren’t familiar unless you’re a die hard boxing fan, but all are experienced former world champions. Chagaev was a world champion when they fought.
Both brothers could have and still could pump life into the heavyweight division if they choose. They won’t fight each other so why not fight the fights that are dangerous? There is still time. In May big brother Vitali Klitschko is fighting Albert Sosnowski in Germany.
Who is Sosnowski?
He’s the guy who lost to Zuri Lawrence in 2008.
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Smoke:
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Vitali is getting old is why he doesn't have the hunger of youth. Plus, what does he have to prove at this juncture in his career. Take some easy fights since he is winding down, good for him. James Toney is a bum and he'd get smoked by either Klitchko. Toney's not worth the trouble, he's done. Let him fight Kimbo Slice or some other MMA hype job.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 03:14:02 AM
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petrion:
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toney is a bad choice. not because he can beat you, though he is a very dangerous man. he's a bad choice because of his incredable defensive skills. even in a loss he will make you look bad. you say mayweather is a great defensive fighter? i say toney is better. i've watched him for years make some of the best fighters in the world look like chumps. sadly that does not make folks want to fight him. for the very reasons stated above. i'm a big tony fan, but i would tell klitch the same thing.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:35:58 AM
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Isaiah:
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First of all, out of the 2 brothers, Vitali is still the one taking on all comers. Mr. Avila, how far down are you reaching when you bring up the names of Evander Holyfield and James Toney? Let's see, if we want to go by within the last 10 years, then we are going back to the year 2000, yes? When would the public have cared in all this time for Evander fighting Vitali? Was it in 2000 when Evander looked bad against John Ruiz or 3 losses in a row from 2002 to 2004 against Chis Bryd, James Toney and Larry Donald? Was it in 2005, 2006, 2007 and most of 2008 when Vitali was retired and then rather fight number one ranked Sam Peter who beat Toney twice while Evander beats a string of journeymen and loses to 2 top ten guys and hasn't fought since the Valuev loss? When should Vitali have fought Toney? It couldn't have been in 2000, 2001 or 2002 when Toney wasn't a heavyweight. In 2003, when Vitali was coming off the Lewis loss and then returned the favor to Kirk Johnson who lost the Lewis opportunity. Yes, Toney knocked out Evander, but Vitali was coming off a loss. Was it in 2004 when Toney fought once and looked bad against Rydell Booker while Vitali won and defended the world title? Was it when Vitali retired for 4 years and has now fought top guys since while Toney hasn't done anything worth mentioning? I would also like to point out to you that Vitali's strategy in the Chris Arreola fight worked like a charm. He kicked Chris's butt and made his corner feel the need to stop the fight for good reason and Chris cryed like a little kid. Chris got his butt kicked! I have an arguement for Wladmer to, but I think I've made my point! You are really splitting hairs and you know Toney is just trying to get a payday when he's done nothing to earn it. Like it was said already, there's plenty of Bimbo Spices in the world for Toney to take a run at in the laughable MMA.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:39:40 AM
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MD:
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Dear author. The main idea of your article is that both brothers do not tend to agree for dangerous fights. Why have you not named David Haye? Both brothers have had ready contracts with David, and were ready to fight him. Why have you not mentioned Juan Carlos Gomez? Isn't he a viable contender after beating Vladimir Virchis? And what do you mean by stating that Vitali was running from Chris Arreola? Vitali was so active in his offence, punished Arreola so much that Chris was finally stopped. How about Valuev? Isn't he dangerous at all? I am not happy about picking Sosnowsi, but before this both brothers cleaned out the division quite convincingly.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:51:12 AM
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SCHOETTMER:
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TONY IS THE MAN PERIOD!!! Vitali AND THE REST OF THEM RUNNING FROM HIM
Friday Mar 12, 2010 08:03:00 AM
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gibola:
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The only fight I think the Klitschkos have avoided is against Valuev. They hold size and weight advantages over everybody but they never fought the one guy who would have given them a physical challenge if nothing else. I would have been far more interested in seeing the K brothers fight valuev than the recent versions of Holyfield or Toney. It's ridiculous to say they've avoided them, when they were easy wins for either Klitschko.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 08:29:48 AM
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mortcola:
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Avila, are you delusional? Toney might be a slick, difficult fight, but he's also looked like yesterday's turds in way too many of his fights. The K-boys have fought genuine contenders more than most of our champions have. The problem is, you don't know or like those contenders. Some of them are eastern europeans, and though you don't like it, those europeans have dominated the division for the most part. Vitali's tactics against Arreola were perfect - absolutely perfect. You say he ran? He threw and landed more shots at a higher rate than you almost ever see in a heavyweight fight. It was a clinical dissection. He would have to be a moron to tilt the balance any other way. Wlad? Well, he came back from his KO losses to beat Peter, Brewster, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Brock, Thompson - who were, sorry to say, all middle to top tier top tenners. Europeans in that mix have all been strong, dominant heavyweights; Ibragimov had worked his way through SIX ranked American contenders before taking apart Briggs and Holyfield - not his fault that they were weren't historic greats, or that Briggs and Holyfield were past their prime. Brewster was at the time considered a rising star with real power, but who had been an underachiever - and Wlad fought him in a rematch, after being humiliated by him, and took him apart. Vitali took on Corrie Sanders, one of the most feared and difficult heavyweights out there, who had KOd Wlad, and kicked his a--. If Brewster, Rahman, Sanders, and Peter are all inconsistent underachievers, well, thats in part because they couldn't capitalize on any advantage they once had - they all had to face the Klitschko's once or again, and couldn't sustain. James Toney? A boxing genius who has never been able to sustain a place at the top - who got OUTBOXED by Sam Peter. Rahman had looked both dangerous and lousy, alternately, LIKE TONEY, and had far greater power. Sosnowski lost a decision to Zuri Lawrence? Big deal - he's 45-2, known to be a large, strong, talented fighter, and the fight appeals to the European market that is a major focus for the K-boys - and with which they also don't have to deal with American boxing politics. And now Wlad is fighting Eddie Chambers one of the very best out there. There is no PATTERN of avoidance in either K brother. The problems you describe are symptoms of the heavyweight division's disarray, not any bad choices made by the Klitschkos. That disarray is, also, partly due to the fact that they have been so dominant, and that they have considerable promotional ties outside the US. There's just no evidence, and too many risky fights won against the best available contenders, for your article to make any sense.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:06:30 AM
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mortcola@isaiah:
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you said many of the same things, first - sorry if I'm repeating your arguments in the post I just left.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:07:28 AM
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SALT lover:
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I used to be a harsh Klitschko critic, but definitely since I've matured in boxin', I come to appreaciate the Klitschkos, but more specially, Dr. Vitali Klitschko. The man DOES know how to fight and he is 365 days a year in great shape and in condition. He can box, he can move, and he hits hard. Jim Lampley in the fight against the overrated Chris Arreola desribed his style the perfect way: "No pretty, but effective". That's Dr. Vitali Klitschko right there. His style is not beautiful like Floyd's, but it's definitely effective. That low hangin' left that counters you again, and again, and again, and that solid right hand that hurts anybody definitely has taken over the sport of boxin' in the Heavyweight Division. The only regret he might've had is that his Division is not as competitive as it once was. But if there was a feared Tyson or Liston, an uncomfortable Ali, or a very hard hittin' Holyfield of the 90s, ya'll can bet that Dr. Vitali would've GLADLY taken the fights against them with pleasure. Unfortunately all the Heavyweight has is a clown Toney, a talkin' David Haye, and hopeless Eddie Chambers..............and that's cuz the rest were alredy obliterated by this big dude. Maybe John Ruiz can make some noise, but win....very difficult. Checkezzzz!!!!
Friday Mar 12, 2010 11:02:59 AM
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SchweitzerMan:
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I seriously think you have something against Evander Holyfield. Why would you want to endanger the poor man's life against a beast like Vitali? And I don't care if you meant the Holyfield from 10 years ago? Who has he beat in the past 10 years?
John Ruiz, Lou Savarese...and that's about it.
I can't believe you would be insane enough to mention Evander Holyfield...come on.
And as to James Toney, would a fight between the two be exciting. Yes, it would be but it's not going to happen because Toney has not beaten anyone of importance outside of John Ruiz only to find out he was juicing later on.
Toney just gets all the attention because he just cries a lot about how his fat butt can't get any important fights because at this stage, he shouldn't.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 11:51:59 AM
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Earl:
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FINALLY, there's REASON in the world! To quote Larry Merchant after Derrick Jefferson KO'd Maurice Harris, "David Avila, I LOVE YOU!" Both Klitschkos have literally trembled with fear when they've seen James Toney, and they've avoided him like the plague. Put Toney in the ring with a Klitschko, and you'll get a KO, early and violently. The NEW Heavyweight champion of the world, James "Lights Out" Toney!!!!! Let's face it, the Klitschkos have a complexion that many find pleasing. If these guys were black, they wouldn't survive as journeymen. But it's a conspiracy. The fix has been in more than once in their fights. Ray Austin took a dive, admitted it, and later said with the most minimal amount of effort, he could have put Wladimir in the 7th row with a jab. Vitali is even worse. He ran like a girl all night from Arreola, just like you say. I had Cristobal ahead on points and the dang referee stops it. I also agree Avila, the Klitschkos versus Holyfield ends in a 1st round KO, with Commander Evander Vander's arms held triumphantly while the big white hypes are being administered smelling salt.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 12:18:55 PM
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Ales:
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Let's not forget Wladimir was looking for opponent a few years ago, offered at least 1M$ to Toney, but Toney said no. While 1M$ was not greatest offer, it was still a lot more than Toney earned in next fight.
Toney turned off fight for a major belt and now, when he's only looking for payday, he deserves none.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 12:20:07 PM
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Tex:
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I thought Vitali's style against Arreola was awesome, and I think his docket is as good as it could have been... Until now. This article should have focused only on the most recent challenger. Sosnowski is a pathetic joke, not even worthy of a tuneup.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 12:37:52 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Yesterday's what, Morty? Anyway, you're right about Toney's performances. JT must have thought he was training for a pie-eating contest when he stepped in against Sam Peter and did so abysmally. It's been said before on TSS and elsewhere that the greatest big American athletes are working in the NFL stadiums where the better contracts and consistent paydays are. Eddie Chambers would probably be wearing shoulder pads too if he was good enough. Boxing is too much pain and poverty and trouble. Unless you're a champion, you're living off Spagettios and Welfare cheese. Even you are a champion and you happen to be working for Don King, you're probably still broke. The Klitschkos work out of Europe a lot where fighters must be treated a little better, I guess. I'm not going to bash the K brothers today. They're smart fighters and better than their competition today and that's an undisputable fact. We can put W and V into the fantasy-boxing-wayback-machine and have them fight Toney in 2004 or any top heavy in history and it proves nothing except that we need to get a life. Man, I need me another girlfriend.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:14:00 PM
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Anonymous user:
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Excuse me mr. Avila but I think you're totaly out of the track. You may not like the Klitschkos but you have to face reality: they did fight all comers. I will not try to convince you since Isaiah and Motorcola already left some pretty convincing comments but I will only add this: Toney and Holyfield haven't done ANYTHING to warrant a fight against the top guys of the division (Klitschko and Klitschko). It's like saying that Pacquiao has been running away from Alfonso Gomez for too long... Nobody is interested in the Sosonowsky fight (however this guy is named) but that doesn't change the fact that Vitaly has faced a really good level of opposition since coming back from retirement. In fact, both brothers have only fought top 10 guys for a few years. It's not their fault if the level of competition has been so week...
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:53:28 PM
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BobbyC@mortcola:
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I had one once that was into pee, but it didn't last.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 03:00:57 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Mortcola sounds a little grouchy today. If there was something actually at stake, I might run up on his fighting side for a few laughs. Fortunately, I have some appointments with friends.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 03:07:58 PM
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mortcola@Robert Curtis:
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I think I got censored for the first time today. To you, your girlfriend, Editor Mike, and all the rest of my boxing friends, I apologize if I offended you. And if you enjoyed it, my pleasure.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:35:43 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Where is Radam?! I miss him. Hey, dear Morty Boom-Bah. Censorship probably happened to me too, but I don't remember. If so, I blame it on the coconut tree wine Radam turned me on to. Editor Mike runs a good, clean and action-packed website here. Mortcola, maybe you can blame your excesses today on coffee or a sugary danish. I've loved the heavyweight division ever since my dad and I watched Ali and Holmes fights together. Because of my late dad's passion and the fact that I'm a big guy, I'll always follow the heavies, even into the abyss. I know someone else must have thought of this next idea, but I wonder if heavies should be capped at 215. This would give the boxers who aren't big enough for football or tall enough for basketball a place to compete. I'd love to see guys 5'9" to 6'2" making this division rock again. I don't know what you'd call the guys above 220, the Super-heavyweights or the Junk in the Trunk Division? Make the big guys make weigh in.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:01:48 AM
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mortcola@Robert Curtis:
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Come to think of it, I had just gone to my 2-year old girl's day care room in school and had a birthday cupcake, and a coffee. Blame it on the sugar. Same story - me and Dad and watching all the fights, and arguing them, especially the heavies, but also the lights through middles, '76 - '85 being the big years. We actually debated the need for a superheavy division. I agree completely. Make 'em train to the weight, or fight someone their own size. It would break with tradition - Dempsey-Willard, anyone? but maybe this one should be broken. Good thoughts.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 08:31:33 AM
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Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:04:29 PM
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petrion@saltlover:
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i've been reading your stuff for a good while. the more i read the more i'm impressed. more than makes up for you likeing floyd. your only weakness. kudos, you're a pleasure to disagree with.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 03:43:58 PM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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