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He Might Be Too Big For Pacquiao: The Case For A Joshua Clottey Win
By Frank Lotierzo
Four words.
In the end, what happens in this fight will come down to four words: Is he too big?
Aside from bulk and strength, what does Joshua Clottey have that can beat Manny Pacquiao on March 13th?
In order to make a case for Clottey -- which I’ll now try to do -- you have to make it backwards, thinking in terms of the negative factors that Manny Pacquiao will have to overcome instead of any offensive attributes that Clottey may have.
Here are the givens: Manny Pacquiao is a more gifted fighter than Joshua Clottey. He’s quicker handed, more mobile, more versatile, is a better puncher for their comparative sizes, has more of fighter’s heart, has a history of passing the Big Stage tests that Clottey fails, and, since there’s a ton of money to be made if he wins, has the boxing establishment behind him in the event the fight goes to a decision. Clottey would damn near have to kill Pacquiao to win a decision. And Joshua Clottey, as we’ve repeatedly seen, is no killer in the ring.
But let’s flip the script a little bit. Let’s imagine that we’re training Joshua Clottey (since he may actually need a new trainer if Godwin Kotey can’t be brought into the US by fight time), and we’ve got to devise a strategy for him to win. What’s he got that can be worked with?
Clottey is an enormous welterweight, and a tremendously physically strong one. By the time the two fighters hit the ring, he’s going weigh in the vicinity of 165 pounds, bigger than a middleweight. Pacquiao, regardless of the weight he comes in at, is still a junior welterweight with junior middleweight legs. Size is Clottey’s most obvious advantage.
There’s a point of diminishing returns in how many divisions a fighter can jump before he’s finally reached the place where his punches don’t have a great effect on his opponent. At around this same point, the inverse issue -- what happens when a sturdy little guy is finally hit solidly by a guy who’s too big for him -- tends to assert itself.
Someone playing devil’s advocate could say that Pacquiao certainly had no trouble hurting welterweight Miguel Angel Cotto, and that Cotto -- a better puncher than Clottey -- didn’t seem to bother Manny much on the occasions when he tagged him.
But Clottey takes a much better shot than Cotto. And he sees incoming punches much better. Add to this that his defense is a lot tighter than Cotto’s, and all of it more or less nullifies using Miguel Angel as a gauge for how Clottey’s going to deal with the punches.
And, although he started falling behind very early in the fight, I got the sense that Cotto actually was disturbing Pacquiao with his power. He was definitely moving him back with every shot he landed in the first couple of rounds. And those weren’t Cotto’s biggest shots, they were just his average punches; it was the size of the guy throwing the punches that was pushing Manny across the ring. Make no mistake: Pacquiao will feel the punches from anybody above 147 pounds.
If Clottey is no Thomas Hearns in respect to punching power, he’s not Floyd Mayweather either. I’ve never seen him in a fight where he’s failed to hurt his opponent. What he does at that point is what’s open to criticism. Although I don’t believe a leopard can change his spots, I do think that, given the stakes of this fight, if Clottey discovers that he can hurt Pacquiao, he’s going to become very tough to handle.
This will be more true if he’s not getting hurt by the quick handed shots that Pacquiao is sure to dart in and out to land. You have to factor into this equation Pacquiao’s real appetite for fighting. He is capable of being a smart boxer, but not one who is temperamentally suited to playing things safe. He always wants to test this opponent’s heart. And this time it could come back to bite him.
If Clottey, as a leopard, can’t change his spots, to some degree you can say same about Pacquiao. Imagine Frazier deciding that discretion was the better part of valor and opting to play it safe. He couldn’t do it, and I don’t think Pacquiao can either.
Just to be clear here: Manny Pacquiao is a great, great fighter. If you want to say he’s the best in the world, I won’t debate you. But his last four fights may have made him look better than he really is. I say may have. Three of those four fights meant very little. David Diaz had no business being in the same ring as Pacquiao. And it’s pretty clear that both Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton were no longer professional prizefighters by the time they fought Manny.
But Cotto could have been another story. And Pacquiao looked nothing short of sensational in beating him. But what if Cotto really was used up from the Margarito fight? I didn’t think much of it at the time, but I kept hearing stories from his training camp that Cotto was being roughed up by his sparring partners, and that everything they threw at him landed. What if those stories were true?
And what if Joshua Clottey represents the first truly big, in-his-prime opponent Pacquiao has faced since moving up in weight? Clottey, with his tight defense, tested chin, solid conditioning, and by-the-book punching is the toughest nights work even for big guys.
Pacquiao, in order to penetrate Clottey’s high hands and tight defense, has to shoot his punches a little wider than usual to reach him, has to loop things just a bit. And he has to step inside to deliver those shots. Even though he has the faster hands, he’s still got to take a circuitous route. And Clottey, fast handed himself, throws very straight shots. He also throws an absolutely beautiful short uppercut. It’s not out of the question that he’ll be able to throw one right up the middle when Pacquiao moves into range.
If Joshua Clottey gets hit be Manny Pacquiao’s best punch early and discovers that he can handle it, he will have taken one of Pacquiao’s two best attributes away (speed being the other.) If he then finds that his own punches push Manny back, it will encourage him to be more aggressive.
At this point, he could still be outpointed. But that’s assuming two things: that Pacquiao can get in and out to score with impunity, and that he’d be willing to win the fight by scoring a safety first decision. As stated earlier, that’s just not who Manny Pacquiao is. He’s going to keep looking for a way to kayo Clottey.
The best case scenario for Joshua Clottey would be that, even after Pacquiao finds that his punches don’t have the effect he’d expected and that he’s being bothered more than anticipated by incoming punches, Manny stays committed to the knockout. That kind of mistake could prove to be the thing that causes Pacquiao to be the one who’s knocked out.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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deepwater:
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Bob arum knows what he is doing.Clottey is a punching bag in this fight.the 5 words are" how much can he take?" clottey can take a beating then get stopped later on in the fight.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:23:23 PM
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deepwater:
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pac man is the gold standard these days. he doesnt disappoint and lays it on the line each time. heres to bob arum bringing boxing back to the way it was supposed to be.. stadium fights build fan bases. Thanks bob arum. see ya at yankee stadium in june.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:25:45 PM
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Tu papa:
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Clottey' best case scenario is landing the headbutt in the first round, that's the only way he can compete with elite boxers. Prrrrrraaaaaa!!!!!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:30:55 PM
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Frank M:
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Clottey is good fighter but nothing special. Pac is a great fighter, one of the all-time greats. Clottey is durable but this should be very one sided. I pick Paq to stop him in seven. Truth is though, i doint find this fight interesting. It is a let down that Paq isn't fighting Mayweather.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:33:37 PM
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demon:
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UP SET
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:50:53 PM
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deepwater:
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pac man vs mosley next
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:58:36 PM
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The Saint:
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I think that Clottey has the best style to beat Manny Pacquiao because Clottey will fight. It wasn't Erik Morales and Marquez's defense or slickness that gave Pacquiao trouble, it was the fact that both were willing to stand their ground when they had to. Miguel Cotto didn't exactly fold, but when he realized that he couldn't bully Pacquiao, he went into full retreat mode and tried to box and counter (another solid evidence that Pacquiao doesn't mind slick fighters) and took a beating the rest of the way. I haven't studied Clottey but the few fights I've seen him in, he does fight back and is more than willing to trade. I can see back and forth action between Pacquiao and Clottey. On the other hand, while Clottey has developed a reputation of having good defense, and a good chin, I think his type of defense won't be effective against Pacquiao's straight punches, and I'm surprised that Lotierzo feels like Pacquiao has to loop his shots to get through. Also, while I agree that Clottey has a better chin than Cotto, Clottey's stance puts him in a position to really get clipped on the chin, whereas Cotto took many shots on top of his head because he fights in a crouch and keeps his chin tucked in, maintaining a low center of gravity that took away some leverage from Pacquiao's punches. Certainly, a KO win for Clottey is not out of the question. As I said before, I think Clottey is a better puncher than Cotto even though he's not as heavy handed. I don't think I've ever seen Cotto knock anybody out cold. At the same time, Pacquiao definitely has the tools to stop Clottey.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:11:13 PM
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The Watcher:
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I agree with the writer, Manny hasn't fought the elite when they were in there prime. Every fighter he faced including Cotto was done, people were talking about him being done. As much as I hate to say that Joshua doesn't fight every minute of every round this will be his toughest opponent and that doesn't say much for Manny if you think about it. The only legit fighters he faced was Morales in the 1st fight and he lost that one and he was beat by Marquez. Manny is still a great fighter but lets be honest all of his opponents were just that.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:16:54 PM
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The Warden:
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I'm picking Clottey to pull the upset. And I think he'll win a decision, even in Texas. Because all eyes are on this bout, I believe we'll get equitable service from the judges (it will be shameful if we don't). My prediction is that Pacquiao will come out storming, will rock JC, and win the first 2 to 3 rounds handily. But I think Manny will become discouraged, inwardly, not outwardly, once he realizes that he can't move his granite-chinned foe. Clottey will land shots in return, and once Manny starts to feel the weight of a welter that is landing leather, he'll experience some real self doubt. Pacquiao has enormous heart and a great chin, so I don't see a stoppage, but I do predict one 115-113 and two 116-112 scores for Clottey. Should be a great fight; only about 53 hours to go.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:35:57 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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Good analysis, all the reason why I'm leaning towards a Clottey upset.... I believe Cotto was already damaged goods by the time Pacman got to him...Clottey will be able to back up Pacman the way Cotto was able to in the first couple rounds, only Clottey will do it all night long.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:43:45 PM
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JaketheSnake:
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Clottey definitely has good peek-a-boo defense, but the one drawback to that is your body is open. And when he goes into his shell he does not move his feet to back away, he either stands there for the counter or leans back (when he's on the ropes). That's not a good idea when facing a Pacquiao who's dialed in on his blitz mode. He'll be using his footwork to dart in and out while executing those off-balance 5 punch combos. And the reason why people say he has a good chin is that he blocks most of the shots. If he gets hit flush on the jaw by a Pacman straight left or a right hook then I think that's goodbye.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:45:28 PM
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brownsugar:
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I said it before... this is Pacs 1st true welterweight fight,.. no catchweights or hydration limits... if he wins I will be amazed,.. and very impressed... even if it's by decision.. I saw the shock in Manny's eyes when he took some of Cotto's hard shots,.. he felt those,.. but like the game warrior that he is,.. he just went out and gave the pain back to Cotto... Pac has to be in better shape... because he's been the more active fighter,.. going from one training camp to another every 3 months... should be entertaining either way it goes.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:49:54 PM
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Nikita:
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WHY CAN'T WE just accept the fact that some people are supremely gifted? Why must we always nullify Pacquiao's previous fights because of the perceived -- on hindsight -- weaknesses of his opponents?
When Oscar was interviewed at his training camp days before his fight he crowed how great he felt, how conditioned his body, how focused his mind was. When he emerged months later from self-exile to pick up the pieces of his life he admitted ruefully that Freddie Roach was right, he "could no longer pull the trigger." Were we supposed to be impressed by this belated admission of weakness? Had he won that fight, would he have said: "I'm an old fighter weakened by age and mileage but I prevailed anyway." Or would he have said: "I'm still on top of my game; no one can beat me just yet."
In every physical competition such as boxing, it is always a 50-50 proposition. One party wins, the other loses. If we truly believed a given fight is a mismatch, why proceed with the fight at all? When we allow the fight to unfold and then question the results later on because of the, real or imagined, weakness of the loser, isn't that a big insult to the winner? Here is a fighter who by his sheer maniacal ability to endure pain has prevailed upon his opponent. Do we shake his hand and say: "What a fight! You really are the champ." Or do we sneer at him and say: "Of course you won because the other guy is long past his prime."
We sully the purity of the sport we adore when we indulge in this mindless exercise of cynicism. When Michael Jordan and the Bulls beat the Lakers in the 1990 NBA Finals, do we dare say Michael won the championship because Magic Johnson was already fading on his physical prowess?
Let us acknowledge without equivocation the triumphant victory of whoever wins between Pacquiao and Clottey on March 13. Let us celebrate the achievement. Let us not belittle it with excuses. Let us give the winner and boxing the respect it rightfully deserves.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:01:09 PM
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tdogg:
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let me just say this pacman is a great fighter but he is not unbeatable...ppl seem 2 think he cant be beat & he`s indestructable..CMON guys ..anybody can go in boxing pacman is not the exception ..lets keep it real clottey if he can take pacman best shots ..then pacman is in a world of trouble ..look at the 1st 2 rds of the cotto fight ..pacman was havin a lil trouble early..i think an upset special is not far-fetched or out of tha question..cuz great fighters hav lost b4 & when the bell rings ..anybody can go ..pacman,floyd ,shane clottey etc..anybody can be knocked out ...ask roy,tyson,&so on..expect the unexpected in boxing...pacman can be knocked out as well..& im not blind 2 that just like clottey can b ko`d as well..cant wait 4 tha bell 2 ring...
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:06:40 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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I don't know what's going to go on in Clottey's corner. But Clottey should keep firing straight hard punches right into the center of Pacquiao. If Joshua is indeed the bigger man, we'll see that pretty soon. He can't get discouraged by Pacman's speed. His only chance is to show up with a fighting heart as big as Pacquiao's. I too will be very impressed if Manny wins a decisive victory.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:14:42 PM
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RoidFloyd:
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@Brownsugar. I agree with your assertion. I love Pac, but disagree with those who believe Clottey will be a walk in the park. This guys tough, and has the proverbial puncher's chance. Besides, he's hungry. I still believe Pac should be favored, and may possibly KO Clottey if the training videos that's been posted is any indication of how much in fighting shape he is in. Bottom line: this fight will be a war and will have the fans on the edge of their seat.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:22:43 PM
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MLB:
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Clottey is going to get kayoed EARLY, sooner before later. Light out! He will be in one BIG Texaz DAZE deep down in the heart. Good night. Sweet Prince at the Cowboys' Palace in Dallas, the BIG D.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:34:26 PM
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Geepee:
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I totally disagree...Paquiao is smarter than we give him credit for.Lok at the 2nd Barrera fight,,,Pac never opted for a KO and was contented in getting a UD.PAC was willing to go the full distance with Cotto..had it not been Bayless' mercy..it would've come down to a 12RD UD too..He never rushes in his fight against Cotto cause if he is the same old leopard getting the same spots..after the 4th roud..he would've swung at Cotto and would go headhunting..but he didnt!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:37:17 PM
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tdogg:
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if pacman does lose 2 all the pacman fans I dont wanna hear NO EXCUSES ..like he lost cuz of this or that...lets not make him out 2 b no less tha MONSTER that he is 2day..also be advised pacman gets a lil rattled when he gets cut..and he hasnt been knocked down in quite sum time..so how will he react if he gets hurt bad or knocked down..NOW if pacman steamrolls clottey that would be very very impressive..i just think he`s in 4 a long nite saturday..& if things start 2 not goin his way ..how will he react if clottey starts 2 impose his will on him..& starts 2 back him up..he dont fight 2 well goin back.he is use to be tha agressor & imposing his will..sat nite is 1 fight that the better man will win..i was watchin pacman-cotto & clottey-judah the other nite really studying both fighters & 1 thing i did notice is pacman is wide open 4 counters & is overly aggressive when things are goin his way..even still he is a excellent offensive fighter but his defense is not as good as his offense & that can be his downfall against clottey..he is in tough sat nite & he will hav 2 dig deep 2 win..this is no walkover & anybody that thinks it is has never really see clottey fight..also because of tha close fights he lost ..what if clottey becomes more busier in this fight can pacman take tha pressure from clottey..he knows whats at stake & i think he`s not gonna follow tha script tha other fighters have..& that could be trouble 4 him..remember he went life & death wit marquez both times..& he can be touched & stunned ..GOOD LUCK TO BOTH FIGHTERS SAT NITE ..MAY THE BEST MAN WIN...
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:45:58 PM
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Hitch:
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I bet if Manny beats Clottey people will say Joshua had no business being in the same ring as Pacquiao. Many says Manny is a great fighter but they still don't give him credit for the opponents he faced. They always have an excuse. When Manny fought Diaz - how will Manny take the punches of a lightweight - we know what happen. When he fought Oscar - how will he take the punches of a welterweight - we know what happen. When he fought Hatton - how will he fair with someone who is very strong - we know what happen. When he fought Cotto - how will he take the punches of a very strong puncher and a true welterweight - we know what happen. I'll just watch the fight and see what happens but I think - we know what will happen.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:59:55 PM
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Nikita:
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WHY CAN'T WE just accept the fact that some people are supremely gifted? Why must we always nullify Pacquiao's previous fights because of the perceived -- on hindsight -- weaknesses of his opponents?
When Oscar was interviewed at his training camp days before his fight he crowed how great he felt, how conditioned his body, how focused his mind was. When he emerged months later from self-exile to pick up the pieces of his life he admitted ruefully that Freddie Roach was right, he "could no longer pull the trigger." Were we supposed to be impressed by this belated admission of weakness? Had he won that fight, would he have said: "I'm an old fighter weakened by age and mileage but I prevailed anyway." Or would he have said: "I'm still on top of my game; no one can beat me just yet."
In every physical competition such as boxing, it is always a 50-50 proposition. One party wins, the other loses. If we truly believed a given fight is a mismatch, why proceed with the fight at all? When we allow the fight to unfold and then question the results later on because of the, real or imagined, weakness of the loser, isn't that a big insult to the winner? Here is a fighter who by his sheer maniacal ability to endure pain has prevailed upon his opponent. Do we shake his hand and say: "What a fight! You really are the champ." Or do we sneer at him and say: "Of course you won because the other guy is long past his prime."
We sully the purity of the sport we adore when we indulge in this mindless exercise of cynicism. When Michael Jordan and the Bulls beat the Lakers in the 1990 NBA Finals, do we dare say Michael won the championship because Magic Johnson was already fading on his physical prowess?
Let us acknowledge without equivocation the triumphant victory of whoever wins between Pacquiao and Clottey on March 13. Let us celebrate the achievement. Let us not belittle it with excuses. Let us give the winner and boxing the respect it rightfully deserves.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:02:30 PM
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pinoy ako:
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pinoy ako
IF clottey's punch is not that strong as Miguel Cotto's punching power will I don't think Clottey can survive the 12 rounds. thanks and may the best fighter wins. MABUHAY!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:03:57 PM
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Real Talk:
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Clottey gets stepped on. Not busy enough and doesn't have the heart of a champion. African fighters never get a close decision and Clottey comes up small in big fights. Pacquiao UD !!!! Dueces
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:07:19 PM
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thegreatestfight:
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My Prediction:
If Pacman cannot hurt Clottey, Manny executes the Plan B which is to outbox Clottey for a 12-rd decision win.
If Pacman rocks Clottey, then its just pretty much gonna be KO just like the same outcome on his previos fight
thegreatestfight . com
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:21:39 PM
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francis:
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hey think about this. what about manny pacquiao versus mike tyson at a catch weight of 170 lbs same-day weigh in? a peak pacman versus a faded tyson is an even playing field. i've heard rumors about tyson coming back and rumors that pacman may only fight one more time after the clottey bout. manny could come at fight night weighing around 155 lbs. at this weight manny will still have his speed. while tyson may probably weigh around 175 lbs. the 20 lbs. difference is not a big deal anymore. i see the stars aligning. the greatest offensive player of the past versus the greatest offensive player of the present. this is the ultimate boxing fan's dream. David versus Goliath!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:51:03 PM
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Prime1:
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I disagree completely.
If Diaz, ODLH, Hatton and Cotto where all damaged goods when Manny fought them then Roach would not give his ok for a Clottey match. Also all of Mannys sparmates would not praise Mannys skills as a fighter.
This just would not make any sense.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:51:11 PM
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SALT lover:
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It was Morales and Marquez's willingness to trade that got them down (Marquez) and KO'ed (Morales). Pacquiao can't deal with slick boxers and technically superior opponents. That's why Clottey doesn't have any chance to win. Anybody that says "I think that Clottey has the best style to beat Manny Pacquiao because Clottey will fight" doesn't know what the hell he's talkin' about. Any frontal fighter that trades and goes up against Pacquiao head to head doesn't have any chance in winnin', and Clottey simply DOES NOT bring nothing the Asian dude has not seen in his last fights. Clottey is just another aggressive dude that fits Pacquiao perfectly. He couldn't beat a one eyed, damaged Cotto, what makes anybody with intelligence think Clottey's got any chance XD!!!! Plus, daddy Arum has everything prepared if anythin' goes wrong with his money-apparatus. To punchers like Pacquiao you BOX and COUNTER them, end of story. Marquez was the last dude that tried to outbox him and he's the last dude to ever make Pacquiao look stupid in the ring (Actually outbox and beat him). Diaz, Hatton, De la Hoya, Cotto, all of 'em tried to knock him out and you can't do that with Pacquiao. They all got knocked out. And if Clottey fights like he always fights, and if he goes to put pressure to Pacquiao, like he and his new trainer said he would, then there's no chance in Victory. Another win for Pacquiao against yet another frontal moving dude with no technical skills, even when some say it's "underrated". There are rumors that Margarito is next for the fall if Pacquiao doesn't take random blood test with Floyd. Another frontal, agressive, one-dimensional opponent for Pacquiao. Checkezzzz!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 08:59:50 PM
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archie milagan:
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I still remember when manny fought a guy from Mongolia in the Phils. The guy was huge, big and strong like a real genghis khan. Yet manny stopped him early on his career. I say manny will do the same to clottey.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:13:02 PM
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Mortcola@SALT:
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Cotto was one of the finest welterweights in the world, with only one loss on his record, and there is no evidence that he was "shot". Clottey is a technically sound, accurate, defensively solid fighter who is one of the finest welterweights in the world. We're not talking journeymen here. We're talking the best of a strong division.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:32:40 PM
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irish kid:
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I think pac man is in with a guy who can beat him . But if Cloottey don"t throw a lot pac may win with the bunch"s of punch"s .If pac wins his fans will think he is a god of all kinds u guys think he is so good that no one would beat him so on that note are the Klitschko's next for him . i think pac has the best trainer in the world but he is in a fight he may get his ass whooped in . but i say good luck to both guys . . P.S pac is not god he can get his butt kicked so don't cry to much guys if he gos down
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:37:47 PM
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Yes Yo!:
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Clottey has pretty much laid down his game plan, which is to cut-off the ring, move forward, pressure Pacquiao, and make him fight. However, there is nothing in this plan. There is a world of difference between having a plan and actually executing it. This is the same game plan that Diaz, Hatton, Cotto, and Morales (in their 3rd fight) tried, but they all failed. Really, how are you going to pressure Pacquiao when he has insanely supreme speed, both of hands and feet? Although today we know Pacquiao as a sleek fighter with good movement and fast feet, darting in and out, moving side to side, he is at the very basic level still a slugger/puncher. He loves to go toe-to-toe; he has said it himself in many interviews. It brings at the best in him. Those who tried to go toe to toe with him paid the price: Morales get knocked out; Hatton got knocked out; and Cotto got knocked down in the 4th round, after which he decided to just box, yet still to no avail. Actually, Clottey's game plan suits Pacquiao just fine. He can move forward and try to apply pressure all night (just like Diaz), but because he is just too slow compared to Pacquiao, he will just eat leather without being able to land his punches (just like Diaz). The accumulated punishment coupled with his own inability to dish out meaningful punishment in return would be Clottey's undoing. He either gets KO'd like Diaz, or TKO'd like Cotto. He may even quit like Dela Hoya, but having a big fighting heart, this might be unlikely.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:51:05 PM
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kobe:
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same old stroy. every great boxer that pacquiao would beat would already washed up after the fight.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 10:07:04 PM
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brownsugar:
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I dunno,.. I don't think of Clottey as just an ordinary fighter,.. he showed good spring and movement against Judah and Cotto,.. pls his jab is quick enough to score on anybody,... Pac is fast,. but he can easily be touched by guys who don't have his hand speed,..even Marquez had him doing the chicken dance... but Pacs' offense is blistering,.. and if he's allowed to get into his rythym,.. his lunging, bobbing style of attack can be deadly,.. Clottey's mission is to not let that happen,.. his trainer used to be in Pac's corner,.. so even though Pac has improved much over the years,.. some traits never go away completely,.. question is,.. Can Clottey capitolize in this information???,... unless Clottey gets a bad case of stage fright,.. I think this will be a much closer fight than people expect,.. even an upset is possible...
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 10:07:25 PM
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LeeLunatic:
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Oh really? Clottey can punch hard? Who was the last guy he knocked out? And when? Here we are again, so called boxing expert trying to fool the readers. Almost all experts are in unision that Clottey is a tough opponent for Pacquiao. Nuts, all of these experts know Clottey doesn't even stand a chance. Well hype is hype.....The betting public knows better....much better than these so called experts. These experts always eat their own sheyt after a fight. Remember these experts analysis on dela Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto fights vs PacMan....Too bi, too physical, naturally bigger etc, etc...And after the fight....Old, over the hill, damaged goods, overated.....Anything to belittle the gigantice achievements of midget PacMan.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 10:13:22 PM
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Oslo Norge:
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Here in Norway (Europe) we love #1 p4p champ Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao... my PPV-HD is ready on saturday march 13... piles of chilled beer and peanuts are ready too... it would be an exciting fight of Pacman again as always.. Definitely no PPV buy for boring KFC Pussy Floyd Gayweather Jr. here... we are boycotting because Floyd only love himself and money but not the fans, never... Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter, a great athlete and he’s also a great person...Go Pacman!!! :D
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 10:54:34 PM
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francis:
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hey think about this. what about manny pacquiao versus mike tyson at a catch weight of 170 lbs same-day weigh in? a peak pacman versus a faded tyson is an even playing field. i've heard rumors about tyson coming back and rumors that pacman may only fight one more time after the clottey bout. manny could come at fight night weighing around 155 lbs. at this weight manny will still have his speed. while tyson may probably weigh around 175 lbs. the 20 lbs. difference is not a big deal anymore. i see the stars aligning. the greatest offensive player of the past versus the greatest offensive player of the present. this is the ultimate boxing fan's dream. David versus Goliath!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 11:07:24 PM
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mortcola:
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This fight will tell us a lot about Pac's capacity to inflict and withstand damage at this weight. There's a possibility that the sheer momentum and surprise factor of his punching magnifies the "effective power" - the impact it has on the fighter, as opposed to just the muscle behind it. Sharp, fairly strong, accurate punches delivered before a fighter can get set for them, can stun very effectively without sheer brute force. This is why he has broken down or KO'd everyone at welterweight he's fought. If it translates into having the same effect on one of the real chins in the division, then we'll know. Same goes for his ability to absorb punishment at this weight. So far, so good, but if Pac handles the power OK, then we're seeing just how good he's become at this weight, with more natural strength, and better mechanics in his punching.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 11:17:15 PM
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this is Y i question really how much ppl really know or watch boxing cuz some things ppl say jus baffles me..CMON lets b real..& imma b real honest here..pacman is xplosive dynamic & has speed accuracy & power..but his defense is shaky honestly speakin.he is wide open 4 counters..he kinda reminds me of hamed..cripplin power but when faced wit a fighter wit solid skills & a chin & a gd counterpuncher they r not tha same whirlwind fighter like they were vs others..pacman is a great fighter ..i respect & take nothin frm his accomplishments..but i seen his kind before..he is in there wit sumbody who is not gonna back down & 2 tell tha truth if he cant hurt clottey he wont beat him..his aggressiveness vs clottey will b his downfall cuz is defense is shaky..pacman is a helluva offensive fighter..but 2 be P4P its offense & defense & pacman is wide open 4 sharp counters when he throws tha 5-7 punch combos.& he`s right there 4 tha uppercut..same way alexander put urango away last sat nite..cuz i know sum including myself didnt see devon droppin or stoppin urango the way he did...my point is if pacman beats clottey down like tha others i will def b shocked & amazed cuz if his defense was tighter im be more sure ..but its not so..anything can happen & again clottey is not ya run of tha mill fighters.he is a solid strong 147 pounder so if pacman beats him down...he will convince me ..but tha defense he got tells me otherwise...watch 4 tha uppercut when pacman gets over-aggressive cuz i see it ..if pacman beats clottey dwn like sum ppl say ...i will salute YOU & ALL HIS FANS but this is no easy task sat nite 4 PACMAN
Friday Mar 12, 2010 12:07:57 AM
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Clottey is no chump. Pacquiao better come in there with guns blazing to come out with the win on this which I think he will. Pacquiao by UD. I think I'll come out with another TSS list and due to the Saint and Saltlover not only having very good boxing writing skills, but also having there head on there shoulders right about far more important issues. I upgrade them to #1 and #2. Congrats Saint on reaching #1 on my list. I sometimes feel like giving up on the most important issue, but then I remember where it says that whom ever is ashamed of ME in this life, I shall be ashamed of them in front of the FATHER and the angels, so endure until the end friend for I will do the same. Peace.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 12:08:10 AM
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in touch@tdogg:
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To compare Pacquiao to Prince Naseem Hamid tells how much u know about boxing. To compare a man who has won a record 7 world titles with a phony fighter who, in his first big test, crumbled. Take a look at the list of people Pacquiao has defeated. U might then understand why he is the fighter of the decade and not some phony. Watch the fight on Saturday. Pacquiao dominates, then stops Clottey in the 10th or 11th.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:04:51 AM
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abner t. ibarra:
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pacquiao is not unbeatable, beating pacquiao is not the problem, the problem is with pacmans foes, they tend to under estimate him, his speed particularly. watch the second knockdown of cotto and the first of hatton in their respective fights. you have seen how fast pacquiao retaliates with his hooks and uppercuts(punches) when you see them on the screen its definitely fast but that kind of velocity is much faster actually in the ring. now that pacquiao had gone up in weight yet maintain 95% of his speed, volume/mass x velocity you got one destructive power there.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:40:29 AM
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Smoke:
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Manny takes out Clottey in 6 rounds. The only fighter who could beat Manny today would be Andre Ward. LOL
Friday Mar 12, 2010 02:09:29 AM
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papamarvz:
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Round 10 for Manny Pacquiao..
Thougness can never will alone!!
Clottey is Good but Manny is Better.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 02:35:56 AM
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Fe'Roz :
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I am sticking with my previous position. Clottey is a very live dawg. He's a hard man who comes prepared to every fight and this one will be no different. If he comes ready to work for twelve full rounds, Manny is going to have his hands full ... and plenty of lumps and possibly cuts to show for it. However, if Clottey takes his foot off of the accelerator for even a few rounds, he'll all but forfeit the fight because Manny will still be throwing until the end and win by decision. Manny should not or should I say better not have underestimated Joshua Clottey. Joshua can bang and has beautiful triple hooks and an uppercut that can cut (Judah) and stop any fighter's momentum. Or worse. However, he has never seen what he can't see: Manny's speed. On top of that, it is he, Joshua Clottey that has too often lost heart mid fight. For those reasons, I have this for Pacquiao close but unanimous. No KO. No KD. pc
Friday Mar 12, 2010 03:23:14 AM
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FE'ROZ:
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And can we please cut the racist/jingoistic crap that interferes and undermines the incredible forum that EM has given us. pc
Friday Mar 12, 2010 03:24:46 AM
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@ smoke:
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you really are living on Mannys nuts sacks now are you
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:08:20 AM
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Ano-ni-moose:
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David Diaz - isn't suppose to fight Pacquiao, although he beat Erik Morales.
Oscar De la Hoya - is no longer a prize fighter, but he is taller and supposed to be grow bigger than Pacquiao which he didn't exploit.
Ricky Hatton - is again, no longer a prize fighter, at age 31, but before Pacquiao destroyed him, he beats Paulie Malinaggi.
Miguel Cotto - is spent out by Margarito, psychologically damaged. And at age 29, he's out of gas. But he managed to land big upper cuts at Pacquiao w/c Pacquiao was unfazed.
Joshua Clottey - For him... I read blogs, articles, forum posts that Pacquiao would never fight Clottey. If Pacquiao tried to fight Clottey, Clottey would murder Pacquiao. So CLOTTEY!!! TRY TO MURDER PACQUIAO NOW!!! IF YOU LOSE.... YOUR FANS AND PACQUIAO HATERS WOULD SAY THESE TO YOU: 1) Clottey is spent because he already fought Margarito and Cotto. 2) Clottey was overrated. 3) Clottey was slow 4) Clottey was so defensive and passive. 5) Clottey has no heart.... Clottey this... Clottey that... REASONS... REASONS... REASONS.....
Peace!!! =P
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:09:22 AM
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DRMULLEN:
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Josh is very tough..i got Manny by a UD..Could see Josh, hit the deck.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:20:55 AM
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DRMULLEN:
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good stuff, Frankie.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:21:27 AM
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morris:
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Nice try to spice up the fight with some interest... but I think we all know what's gonna happen. Just look at Manny's sparring sessions... He's too fast for the African. It might take Paquiao a few more rounds than it took him to subdue Cotto, yet in the end Clottey will go down. Still, this is likely to be a better fight to watch than a Paquiao vs Mayweather, where strategy and self-preservation on Floyd's part would probably turn it into a hit-and-run boring bout.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:43:34 AM
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I totally agree that this will be a very tough fight for Pacquiao because Clottey's body is a rock. However, history tells us that Pacquiao's hard fought fights were those with opponents who are real great counter punchers like Morales and Marquez. This guy from Ghanna who is very good with his defense is not a counter puncher and thus would hardly win this fight. No fighter can win a fight without throwing punches. Pacquiao wins by Decision.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 05:57:59 AM
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Smoke:
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Nope, not living on nut sacs, just realistic.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 06:21:50 AM
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SALT lover@mortcola:
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Oh C'mon, man! Don't give me that. Everybody (Including Roach and I've seen the video on youtube. I can tell where to look it) knows Cotto was never the same after the Margarito beatdown. The dude was knocked out real bad and nobody recuperates from that kind fo stuff, man. I also thought the same thing as you are before, especially since he fought Clottey with one eye, but that is not the case man. There's no fun in takin' punishment.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 08:43:28 AM
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mortcola:
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I second Fe'Roz comment. If you're writing something to sound like a jerk, just don't write it instead. Go to a gym or volunteer to help kids if you need to feel you make an impact.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 08:45:00 AM
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El Maromero@ Salt Lover:
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Hey man, a week ago I was telling Mortcola, Feroz, and The Saint that Cotto wasn't the same fighter as pryor to the Margarito fight and that his face looke sucked in during fight night.They were telling me that that there were no excuses for Cotto but it is clear that Roach had an idea of the Cotto that was going to come to fight. He even said that he was surprised by the way Cotto was fighting the first few rounds. That means that he wasn't expecting much from Miguel
Friday Mar 12, 2010 08:53:32 AM
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El Maromero..correction:
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it is clear to ME
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:07:37 AM
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MisterLee:
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Clottey by 10th rd. tko. He'll be rehydrating to 165, he has the 2nd best defense in welterweight division (how many times did cotto really hit him compared to mosley or pacquiao in 12 rounds?). Solid fundmentals,solid chin... the way pple make it sound, you make it sound like pacquiao is fighting urango (big strong guy, aggressive) and NOT the intelligent and good counter/body puncher Joshua Clottey. Long Live Ghana! Holler!
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:18:40 AM
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Master Snake:
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News flash from Ghana: a large contigency of Clottey voodoo priests have sacrificed 2 goats, 3 rams, 4 monkeys and 1 tiger during an invocation of all the animal's traits into the Grand Master's spirit. The fight will proceed in a manner representative of the animal's qualities; good and bad. RD 1 - 2: Pacman rushes Clottey and surprises him with his speed and power; Clottey weathers the storm and adjusts his timing. RD 3 - 5: Clottey uses his size and strength to get Pacman reaquainted with an inside game; Pac's well-muscled bird cage gets shaken hard. RD 6 - 9: Both fighters move well and let their hands go; Pac finds Clottey's chin the sturdiest he has ever punched; he also finds his right ear swollen and bleeding again from the damage sustained against Cotto. RD 10: the penultimate round from the humble African warrior; he kills his prey with a flurry of body shots and uppercuts.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:22:50 AM
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tdogg @ in touch:
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listen in touch ..im know what pacman accomplishments is i was sayin comparison as in power speed (hands,foot,angles etc,)i didnt say he was hamed im sayin he has tha same stuff hamed brought..im not talkin titles its tha style of pacman thats similar 2 hamed.and if u didnt think pacman was a god of boxing & cant be beat..u sadly mistaken..if cotto can bust his ear & bruise him up..clottey will also inflict damage on pacman cuz we things are goin his way he get over aggressive & is open 4 counters y u think marquez did so well against him cuz he had defense & was willin 2 punch when pacman punched & finish the exchanges..clottey is a strong solid 147lb fighter may not punch alot but is accurate & sharp when he does & he busts u up physically if he`s able 2 impose his will on pacman..all im sayin is if he walks thru clottey i will be tha 1st 2 give him props..this is not a sure win 4 pacman..& my opinion doesnt mean i dont know boxing ..offense pacman is great ..defense he is there 4 counters cuz he leaves himself open when throwin those 5-7 punch combos..lets see what happens
Friday Mar 12, 2010 10:30:28 AM
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The Saint:
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I don't know how people get the impression that Clottey is a slow fighter. He was faster than Cotto and was able to match Judah's speed. Clottey is deceptively fast, he just doesn't flaunt his speed by trying to fight cute or look slick. His biggest weakness is that he lays back too much and too long, but it's part of his calm demeanor. He's also an underrated counter puncher. I think Roach is trying to get in Clottey's head to force him to come forward and attack Pacquiao. Clottey's best bet would be to let Pacquiao come to him and he still very well may end u pdoing that. Right now Clottey's talking as though he's out to take Manny's heart and take him to the deep waters but I have a suspicion that he's going to fight like Morales did, which is to box just enough to make Manny have to work to get inside, and then surprise Pacquiao by engaging him in exchanges once Pacquiao finally gets close. Clottey's plan would be to act like he doesn't want to engage but then come out storming once Pacquiao gets in range.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 10:31:08 AM
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t doggy dogg:
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I get down with the fights, for me my girl writes. Pacman is gonna whoop the tar outta that African. He is aurightee, but I'm liking the Filipino. tdogg is a hater. He don't know spit or sh*t. He just come to this site to cause sh*t! He know how we roll in Norfolk, Virginia. We gonna party wit my Filipino doggs and b*tches. Pacman by knockout in round 6. African voodoo sh*t ain't working on no pacman.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 10:36:37 AM
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SALT lover@El Maromero:
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Dude, Roach said HIMSELF in interviews and there videos at youtube proving it: Roach himself picked Cotto cuz he knows that Cotto was already damaged, and that the reason why they picked Cotto was also cuz it represented more money than Mosley. And also Mosley was too dangerous for Pacquiao. Dude, I'm NOT making this up is on youtube (Damn, actually was, for some reason the video was removed), and I saw the video recently. I was surprised when I heard and saw Roach sayin's stuff like that. He also said that at first he didn't believed his boy could beat De la Hoya cuz of the size and strength and all of that, but he looked at De la Hoya how much he struggled to make 150lbs against Forbes and that he saw IV marks on De la Hoya's arms and that's how he was convinced that his boy could beat his fighter. But the video has been removed due to terms violation (DAMN!! Hehehehehehe) But it was there and he, Roach said, somethings I couldn't believed. And hell yes, Cotto was never the same man after the Margarito fight. I, please, nobody can take away that Cotto was taken a lot from that fight.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 10:45:07 AM
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tdogg @ t doggy dog:
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listen TDD pull ya skirt down always talkin bout ya girl & norfolk..i see u a fan of mine cuz u keep talkin bout me...im not thinkin bout u cuz u dont know boxing & hidin behind ya girl wit ya comments...im far fropm a hater ..when u see a hater is when u look in tha mirror cuz i dont give a f*ck about u personally again im from brooklyn that rings bells from land 2 land ...not norfolk ..so please stop talkin tha VA crap cuz it means nuttin..u hav yet 2 break down a fight yet ..u talk bout VA & YA GIRL & YA WACK ASS RHYMES ..grow up potna ..u too old 2 still hav rap & hateration in ya blood ..we talkin boxing round these parts & it obvious 2 a duck u dont know s*it bout that...keep hating cuz u my # 1 fan..u sound like a fool...& im def laughin @ u..cuz thats what u do when clowns are around...lol
Friday Mar 12, 2010 11:03:43 AM
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SALT lover:
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*that his boy could beat this fighter
Friday Mar 12, 2010 11:04:15 AM
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mortcola@SALT:
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I hear ya about Cotto. But look at the days we're in - fighters have wars, and fights are always made with a rationale about risk and strategy. Its not like Cotto was a tomato can. He was still at the top of the heap, had looked good in his comeback, and it was an intelligent and legitimate fight to take. So, now, having beaten Cotto, who always had questionable durability with or without the Margarito fight, he's taking on a guy with an iron chin, good power and defense, and physical advantages. I just don't see how there's a legitimate criticism of the matchmaking here. Within a short period, Pac has taken on the cream of the welterweight division, and, whatever vulnerabilities they may have, he's been nearly flawless. How much more does a guy have to do in order to prove himself. And if you tell me "submit to Olympic style testing", I'm coming to your house, LOL.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 11:31:25 AM
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The Saint:
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@SALT lover: Everybody knows what Roach said about Cotto, it doesn't take somebody with fine detective skills like you to know what Roach said about Cotto. Roach says things to get inside his fighter's opponents' heads, and he says it so casually. Roach very well could've believed that Mosley was too dangerous for Pacquiao, and there's nothing wrong with saying that. Again, at the time, it was mostly to get into Cotto's head. Cotto could be thinking, why would Roach be more concerned about Pacquiao fighting the guy he beat? Shouldn't the winner be viewed as the more formiddable fighter? Also, it makes Roach more believable if he consents something by saying that Mosley was too dangerous and it's diplomatic. It gets critics off his back and disarms Mosley's people from trash talk. What else could Mosley say when Roach himself said that he's too dangerous for Pacquiao? Furthermore, Cotto would be the first real welterweight fight for Pacquiao, catchweight or no catchweight, damaged goods or not, Cotto was still a big, strong guy who's not as far removed from his prime as De La Hoya was. The Cotto fight satisfied Roach's curiosity as to what kind of force Pacquiao truly would be in the welterweight division and Roach is ready for Pacquiao to face any welterweight. If Pacquiao gets past Clottey, Roach will have something else to say about the winner of Mosley-Mayweather as well. It could be Mosley's age, Mayweather's declining speed, something. Feel free to YouTube that, too, after Pacquiao destroys Mosley or Mayweather.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 11:48:04 AM
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FE'ROZ:
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One man showed up to watch Cotto live against Clottey. Manny Pacquiao. Conspicuously absent at MSG that night was Floyd Mayweather. Manny watched the fight and then chose Cotto as his opponent. I didn't hear one word from anyone from another camp calling out Cotto there and then. Nor Clottey for that matter. That's to Manny' s credit. He came, he saw and then he went to work. the rest is history
Friday Mar 12, 2010 12:55:32 PM
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El Maromero:
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Is Clottey a tougher opponent than the post Margarito Cotto? Before the Cotto/Pacquiao fight I had high expectations from Cotto. His conditioning was really bad
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:37:08 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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Yeah, I think Clottey is more dangerous than the version of Cotto who Manny fought.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:45:43 PM
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SALT lover@The Saint:
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Hehehehehehe, OK so if Roach ducks Mosley and says "He's too dangerous" then it's OK to say that, and is a tactic to make other people not trash talk, but if Floyd signs the contract to fight Mosley, still "Floyd is scared of Mosley" XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's great stuff, man. Very great stuff you got there. ANd finally Pacquiao "destroyin" Floyd ot Mosley.................BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice readin' ya.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:40:25 PM
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SALT lover@FE'ROZ:
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That man you saw in MSG, Pacquiao, and the two fighters that night, Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, are all under the same boss: Bob Arum. You makin' it sound as if it was Pacquiao who decided to take the fight, and it wasn't. It was his BOSS who made the decision of that fight. And after Clottey, if Floyd fight doesn't get made, is Margarito on line, another Arum fighter and another aggrerssive frontal dude with no boxin' skills, just strength.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:43:55 PM
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SALT lover@FE'ROZ:
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He wasn't there that night cuz he was bored at home and said "well, let me check what's goin' on in NYC and I'll challenge whoever". He went there cuz he was workin' and it was part of his boss' moves to keep his money within' his network, Top Rank.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:45:26 PM
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t doggy dogg:
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I know that u be havin a flea prob, so I'm gonna let you slide, cause all u gon do is hide b*tch n*99a.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:47:18 PM
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SALT lover@mortcola:
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Well, it's just what it is. I also thought Cotto was OK, but he definitely wasn't. And the cream of the Welterweight is Mosley, who dethroned Margarito, who was then the dude who had the Welterweight Crown. And after that is Floyd Mayweather Jr. I agree Miguel Cotto was, after those two, the best the Welterweight Division had. It's debateful whether Cotto was OK, or was damaged, but definitely he wasn't the same dude that beat Mosley and Judah in 2007. That I can be sur about.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 04:48:32 PM
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El Maromero@ Salt :
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U might be right. Arum didn't want Mosley last year cause he was Milking his fighters, now they want Mosley cause he is the biggest payday besides Floyd. F
Friday Mar 12, 2010 05:03:53 PM
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MLB:
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The biggest payday besides Floyd Mayweather is not Shane Shane Mosley. It is Paul Williams. Shane Mosley is a fine fighter, but is unknow outside boxing, especially outside the United States by even boxing fans.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 06:34:34 PM
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SALT lover:
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??????????????????? WHAT????: "Shane Mosley is a fine fighter, but is unknow outside boxing, especially outside the United States by even boxing fans." XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mosley is unknown??!!!!
Friday Mar 12, 2010 06:42:01 PM
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Musa Daveed:
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Of course! I've never heard of Mosley here in Bahrain.
Friday Mar 12, 2010 10:17:48 PM
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Monica:
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I'm a boxing fan. I heard of Pacman, Mike Tyson and Jame Kirkland, but never Shane Mosley. Is a heavyweight or lightweight?
Friday Mar 12, 2010 10:20:55 PM
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Fe'roz:
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Salt, nice try. I was sitting with 16,500 Boricuas at the Garden when they all stood up to applaud Manny's entrance as the biggest star in boxing. And believe me they all noticed who wasn't there. If Floyd wanted (Cotto) a real challenge, he could have been there but he was too busy nursing his rib and training and to beat the fearsome JMM. Look, big fighters come to big fights (check ringside tomorrow) to see what lies ahead. Floyd had no ... zero... intention last year of fighting at welterweight....unless it was him that fought there, not his opponent. Manny did and he's doing it voluntarily again tomorrow.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 12:45:07 AM
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Isaiah:
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How in the world is Shane Mosley unknown?! He's been in the game a looooooonnnng time and has faced anybody! Mosley is in the top 3 welterweights in the world at the age of 38! How you rank the top 3 is up to you, but everyone and there mother knows the top 3 is Mosley, Mayweather and Pacquiao and welterweight is arguably the best division in boxing! Just to name a few notable names Mosley has faced by the way, there's Oscar De La Hoya, Fernado Vargas, Ricardo Mayorga, Winky Wright, Vernon Forest, Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto and Luis Collazo! Someone please tell me again how Shane Mosley is unknown and at 38, he's facing Floyd Mayweather next! Look at the resume. He's lost to 3 men, one being arguable. Who doesn't know of this beast?!
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:19:34 AM
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Isaiah@Fe'roz:
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C,mon man. Isn't that being a bit harsh? Juan Manuel Marquez is a fearsome fighter... Featherweight that is. LOL! Floyd didnt' want ANY part of Miguel Cotto and probaly still doesn't and would NOT be fighting the great Shane Mosley now if he didnt' have any choice.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:24:13 AM
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SALT lover@Fe'roz:
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OK, yes, uh huh........the Ricans applauded him.......And? So what? The Ricans can idolized anybody they want. That doesn't take out the fact of what I just told you. Pacquiao wasn't there on his own. Pacquiao wasn't there "voluntarily", he was there in a TOP RANK fight, which is obvious. Since when have you seen a boxer from a certain boxin' promotion company go to the fight of another one these days, Fe'ROZ? Have you seen Pacquiao in ringside on GBP fights? Or Mosley sittin' in ringside on Top Rank fights?. The only exception I've seen recently is Mosley at the Pacquiao-Cotto fight, but he wasn't lookin' to challenge anybody, he was just promotin' his fight with Berto, and Berto too was there to promote his thing with Mosley. Unless of course it's a fight 'tween fighters of both companies, the majority of times when you see fighters in ringside they there cuz their promoters tell them to, not cuz they themselves challenge anybody different from their companies. Tomorrow Antonio Margarito will be at ringside, another Arum fighter, watchin' Pacquiao. Same goes for Miguel Cotto who will fight, another Arum fighter, Yuri Foreman next. That's what this whole is about. The reason why fights do or don't get made is cuz of money, it ain't cuz this guy or the guy is "scared". Let's see if Mosley, or any fighter from any other boxin' promotion company that ain't Top Rank goes there tomorrow at ringside to see the fight......
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:26:46 AM
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Oh man please, ive the dude a break. He's fightin' Mosley, man. That's what you and the rest of the May haters wanted. Somebody who could potentially beat him, right? Don't say he fight Mosley cuz had no choice or that he still scared even when the fight is already official. Better pick Mosley over Floyd. That would be better, but don't say he's scared or anythin' like that, cuz you guys were dead wrong about that. Hehehehehe, that whole "Floyd ducking Mosley issue" is finally over for you guys.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:28:47 AM
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SALT lover@Fe'ROZ:
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Oh I forgot! Let me correct that: "Let's see if Mosley, or any fighter at Welterweight and from any other boxin' promotion company that ain't Top Rank goes there tomorrow at ringside to see the fight......III .......................yeah that's better Hehehehehe
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:30:56 AM
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SALT lover@Fe'Roz:
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Oh I forgot! Let me correct that: "Let's see if Mosley, or any fighter of the Welterweight Division and from any other boxin' promotion company that ain't Top Rank goes there tomorrow at ringside to see the fight...... IIIIII....yeah, that's better, Hehehehehe..
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:32:30 AM
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Fe'roz:
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Mosely went to Floyd's last fight.....dnd I thought Floyd is promoted by his own company. My mistake. Or is it Floyd's delusion. Either way, he almost pissed when Shane rained on his parade. And Shane is just a simple Golden Boy employee. Manny is celebrated because he challenges the best fighters successively and fights fiercely. I know that is tough for Floyd's diehards to swallow, but it's a fact. So relax, have a beer, and watch a once in a lifetime fighter do his work tomorrow. Because win or lose, he'll be right there in full fury.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:46:58 AM
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Isaiah@SALT lover:
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Hey man. Cmon now. you know you're high up on my list buddy. No hard feeling right? Yeah, I am picking Shane Mosley over Xylocaine Floyd though. I tell you what. Since we're cool, I'll try to ease off Floyd a little bit man, but that's only a little easier then asking me to stop breathing. LOL! I've got PLENTY of haterade for the Mayweathers and Shane Mosley is the first REAL live body I've seen Floyd against since Jose Luis Castillo man! So yeah, I'll see what I can do, but this crap has been festering a long time and it's Floyd's fault, not anyone else's.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:57:33 AM
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SALT lover@Fe'Roz:
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Hehehehehehe, now that response was more from the heart than from the topic discussed here. Yeah, well, Floyd-Marquez was made by GBP, and thus Mosley was there; simple, same stuff I said. But he didn't do that in a Top Rank promoted fight, now didn't he? Nor vice versa an Arum fighter in a GBP fight. It's not Pacquiao challengin' anybody man, he doesn't make those decisions, is his people (Roach and Arum) makin' the fights for him. And the same thing I told The Saint, and the rest of the dudes who keep up with the same "Floyd-duckin'" song, Floyd is fightin the #1 Welterweight in the World, and he SIGNED (Somethin' you demanded a lot) and the fight is official already. And I didn't see Floyd "pissin'" in the face-off with Shane Mosley, someone hell of a lot better fighter Clottey ever was and ever will. Nah, man. I've been relaxed long ago.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 03:44:38 AM
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SALT lover@Isaiah:
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OK, that's better. At this point "Mosley will KO Xylocaine Floyd" sounds way more senseful than "Floyd is scared of Mosley", when the fight has been official now. You go and attack Floyd with all your strength, but at least make sense, XD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, we're buddies here, man. Same goes for you Fe'ROZ. No hard feelings. I respect your comments even when I don't agree with them. Checkezzzzz!!!
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 03:47:31 AM
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EM@MLB:
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Why do you call him the watermelon man? Is this is racist slap? If so, don't bring that crap here.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 12:27:25 PM
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MLB:
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Let me try again. It appears that no Filipinos can voice an opinion about Mosley and Mayweather without their posts being knocked down as Pacquiao will do both of them. Mayweather is beating the oldest welterweight champion in a long time, if not of all times. Shane Mosley is the Methuselah of welterweight belt holders. Naturally Mayweather took this easier fight. He will easily discombobulate the Methuselah with the long teeth and personally problems. I just hope that Mayweather is not robbed, because I know that many American judges are big crooks. Pacquiao is knocking out Clottey, so there will be no chances of a robbery in the Wild, Wild West in the Cowboys' Palace in Dallas.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 01:16:30 PM
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Fe'roz @ Salt:
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Enjoy the fight tonight. We have two good ones this spring and hopefully a few surprises in between.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 07:06:04 PM
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MLB:
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All the racists and bigots here are paranoid about their behavior and lack of knowledge about many subjects, though they are the biggest pretenders around. Since when did the musical hit, "Watermelon Man," become a racist slap? I think that the racists here do a good job of slapping themselves, while trying to intimidate every posters with their juvenile stupidity. They don't know their azzholes from their mouths. The same thing comes out of both of them. The only one doing racist slaps and religious attacks on this site is "him." Is he a Golden Child who is being protected from his own demons and insecurity? Well, it is not my job to explain anything to him. Ask the music writers Poncho Sanchez, Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis how much of a racist slap is the music?
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 07:19:03 PM
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SALT lover@Fe'Roz:
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I'm not sure if I'm gonna see the fight tonight, man. You enjoy it, Hehehehehehe...
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 07:41:42 PM
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SALT lover@Editor Mike:
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Can check TSS readers' computer IP's? I don't know but I've been havin' a HUGE feelin' there is someone usin' multiple pseudonyms. That line ......................."All the racists and bigots here are paranoid about their behavior and lack of knowledge about many subjects, though they are the biggest pretenders around" .................that sequence of "racists and bigots" sounds VERY familiar XD!!!!!! And then denyin' he's sayin' anythin' racist afer he did is also a very similar pattern of somebody I know here, Hehehehehehehe..........................EM, I think you should get somethin' to ID all of us and expose the clones and characters. Checkezzzzz!!!
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 07:45:20 PM
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SALT lover:
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*Can check TSS readers' computer IP's?
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 07:45:49 PM
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SALT lover:
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**Can YOU check TSS readers' computer IP's? .........(Hehehehe, my bad)
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 07:46:23 PM
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MLB:
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I'm agree with that. But who is to say that the editor is not already doing that. He wasn't born yesterday. I believe he has the goods on the clones and someone usin' multiple pseudonyms. It doesn't take a rocket sciences to get a computer IP. I would expect for Salt lover to voice an opinion because I believe that he is guilty of a lot of violations and is playing Mr. Innocent. He throws a rock, put his hands behind his back and blame the other guy or guys.
Saturday Mar 13, 2010 08:00:03 PM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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