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Arum's Concern Over Clottey Is Believable
By Frank Lotierzo
Manny Pacquiao's head trainer Freddie Roach was recently quoted in a few Philippine papers saying he believes his fighter, Manny Pacquiao, can knock out Joshua Clottey in nine rounds when they meet at Dallas Cowboys Stadium Saturday. As most boxing fans know Roach is one of Pacquiao's biggest advocates. Roach also said on a recent conference call that Manny will knock out Floyd Mayweather if they ever fight. Okay, we all get it -- Roach believes that Pacquiao is a special fighter. And Roach seems to be basically a standup guy so we can all live with what he says about most fighters.
However, promoter Bob Arum is another story. Arum really could convince eskimos that not only do they need ice, he's also the only one who can deliver really cold ice. On the conference call with team Clottey last week, Arum said that no one fight or fighter is bigger than the sport of boxing. And it's absurd that the boxing commission should change their protocol as to how fighters should be tested for performance enhancing drugs the way Floyd Mayweather wanted Manny Pacquiao tested in order to make a fight between them. Can you imagine what Arum would be saying about Pacquiao if he represented Floyd Mayweather? Talk about default guilt.
During the call Arum also said Manny Pacquiao is the greatest fighter he's ever seen during his time in boxing. Even greater than Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler. Obviously it must have slipped Bob's mind that he promoted a couple of Roberto Duran's fights some years back. Meaning if we exclude heavyweights from the pound-for-pound equation, Arum promoted at least two fighters that I'd rank above Pacquiao, in Duran and Leonard. So it all depends on which side of the table in which Arum sits as to what his take is on a particular situation or topic. Then again he's a promoter and his job is to make the case which sheds the best light on his vested interest at a given time.
Having said that, it doesn't mean Arum can't get it right sometimes when he's talking about a fight involving two of his fighters. And he did last week when he said in Philstar.com, “I don’t know how you’ll knock Clottey out. This fight is going to be harder than the Cotto fight because Clottey is more durable than Cotto.”
That's not what Arum was saying after Miguel Cotto won a razor close decision over Clottey last June to set up the Pacquiao-Cotto bout, but that was then and this is now. Only Arum is right about this one. Clottey has never been in trouble or on the verge of being stopped in his career. Whereas Cotto was hurt and dropped by other fighters before he faced Pacquiao.
“Clottey is bigger and stronger but Manny is a much better boxer, a much better athlete. And if Manny loses, I would be sorry for Manny. But that’s boxing and a lot of things can happen. Clottey is a very good and a very dangerous welterweight,” said Arum.
After hearing Arum speak about Clottey, it's easy to glean that he does have some legitimate trepidation about this fight. As he should. Despite Pacquiao being the better boxer with faster hands and the fact that he possesses the more sophisticated and varied offense, Clottey's physicality is something that shouldn't be overlooked. And just because Pacquiao is known to rise to the occasion in a big spot and Clottey's reputation is the opposite, Arum is smart enough to know that Clottey just may reach down and draw on everything he has and put it all together in what is surely the signature bout of his career. Especially after Clottey has been reminded repeatedly of how he didn't press Cotto enough down the stretch and that's what cost him the fight.
In fact Arum has even laid the groundwork for a rematch if Pacquiao were to be upended by Clottey. “If Clottey is successful then I would go immediately to Clottey who is under promotion to us and ask him to do a rematch. He’s not obligated but I would ask him for a rematch,” said Arum.
It's always hard to tell what Arum's true thoughts are because he's one of the better salesmen to ever promote professional boxing. But this time he gets the benefit of the doubt in expressing his genuine concern for his prized possession, Manny Pacquiao, regarding his upcoming fight with Joshua Clottey. Remember, this will not be a possibly drained Cotto who had to make 145. Clottey is being afforded the luxury of weighing in at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds, and very well may enter the ring above the middleweight limit of 160.
Clottey should provide Pacquiao with the toughest hurdle of his career, and that's an honest and legitimate take on the fight. Then again Arum may be talking up Clottey now because he's worried that Joshua isn't being seen as a genuine threat (and that will hurt in PPV buys.) Although promoting a rematch between the two guys would be lucrative for Arum, clearly it's a financial disaster for him if Clottey wins. There's nothing on the horizon that comes close to Pacquiao-Mayweather, and a Clottey win would wreck that. Having taken everything into consideration, I do believe Arum's concern and this fight isn't a gimmie for Pacquiao.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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nvdoge:
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your qoute" Mayweather wanted Manny Pacquiao tested in order to make a fight between them. Can you imagine what Arum would be saying about Pacquiao if he represented Floyd Mayweather?" -- this is a stupid argument because mayweather is undefendable. your making this fine magazine a sham by writing this kind of content -- go back to school...maybe you'll learn something.
Wednesday Mar 10, 2010 11:13:05 PM
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NEWV:
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thats why PAC is training so hard for this fight because he knows Clottey is a tough dude to beat....stop saying clottey is no match for PAC if u think that way why in the hell would PAC be doing his training!
Wednesday Mar 10, 2010 11:40:45 PM
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Isaiah:
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Pacquiao is a smart man. He knows better then to take Clottey lightly. Still, no rematch is needed. If Manny does win this, I want to see him in against the Mayweather/Mosley winner. No matter who wins that one, there will be plenty of boxing fans who would pay to see Pacquiao against one of the main two there. Clottey just isn't nearly as profittable even if he's paid quite a few dues himself, sorry to say.
Wednesday Mar 10, 2010 11:54:41 PM
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ara mina:
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you're a pac hater....
duran/Leonard better than the pac? Are you kidding me...pac moves a lot better than these guys! A 2 handed puncher that moves a lot and hits hard on the spot!!
Not to mention, your article is too long and boring. Just get to your point.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:31:51 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pac by TKO in 8":
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I can hardly get on this site nowadays. This is a response to Frank Z in the last article with Pac and Roach. Cotto isn't the known power puncher as he once was a 140. He hasn't really hurt anybody at 147 except Judah but that was due to accumulative punches. Temple and ear shots do hurt a fighter but it doesn't when it comes to MP. The guy has been in so many wars that it seems like he's used to all the punishment in the ring. I believe it has a lot to do with him being so comfortable at this weight which makes him into a more sturdy fighter. I mean if you're saying that steriods help him takethose kinds of shots then think again. I thought everyone was all saying that he possessed the power from the steriods. Now steriods help you take punishment? If Manny is guilty then it's ashame but I can't jump on a wagon with no wheels to support it..........Back to topic......Clottey is a very dangerous fight for Manny. I watch PTI earlier and they interviewed Roach and ask if Clottey had a chance to win. He says Clottey can win because of his physical advantages and a fairly skilled boxer. Once again this will boil down to whether or not Manny can take Clottey's best shots. I believe he can because he is an overrated puncher IMO. He breaks his hands often which tells me he uses the boxers gloves with more padding to protect a fighters hands. You will see Manny try to disect and pick at Clottey's openings and then he will go for the stoppage.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:33:01 AM
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J:
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Hey Frank Lotierzo, your article says, the reason Cotto lost is because he was drained. what will be your alibi when Pacquiao defeated Clottey? let me guess, "it is expected from him", Clottey is getting bigger by the year and 147 is no longer his weight so he is drain also.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:33:17 AM
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ara mina:
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you're a pac hater....
duran/Leonard better than the pac? Are you kidding me...pac moves a lot better than these guys! A 2 handed puncher that moves a lot and hits hard on the spot!!
Not to mention, your article is too long and boring. Just get to your point.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:34:40 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pac by TKO in 8":
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This site writes about a lot of Manny being on steriods as bad for the sport. Then why not write about Floyd's involvement in the skating rink shooting with his bodyguard? His bodyguard is facing attempted murder charges. For a man who is trying to clean up the sport he should start with himself by showing a better example for the young viewers. TSS why do say?
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:36:20 AM
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hating:
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your hate over manny cant be hide whatever ways you pretend not to. Cotto is not drained at 145 he's just 1 lb under all his previous fights. In fact he's faster on manny's fight than ever. Moreover, roach says they will fight cotto up to 147, cotto will pay penalty per agreement. It would be silly for Cotto to fight at 145 if it weakens him. It would be wise to pay penalty and won since that money could be recover 10 fold if he wins unless of course he's not sure of winning.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:39:24 AM
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Isaiah@#1PacFan:
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I can't speak for everyone else, but I'd be all for a Mayweather article like that and I think Frank Lo. would be the man for the job.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:50:53 AM
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noypinga:
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whatever! floydie is a coward american!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:00:22 AM
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ultimoshogun:
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I believe Clottey has a good chance of upsetting Pacman saturday night....he has the physical tools to do it, the question is does he have the mental toughness? I think Clottey realizes he let his first big moment with Cotto slip away and isn't about to make the same mistake on an even bigger stage this time.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:16:26 AM
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ATGPacman:
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Well, most of the people did not also believe on Roach's prediction on how will Pacquiao going to dominate the bigger Dela Hoya and his guy is going to finish Hatton inside three rounds. But the Pacman always made Roach's prediction came true. He almost predicted correctly in Pac vs. Cotto fight if the referee is just more mercyful to stop the fight at round 9. So I hope Roach prediction will come true again to K.O Clottey at 9 and K.O Mayweather next.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:40:58 AM
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SALT lover:
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Concern? What concern, Lotierzo? Arum picked another frontal movin' aggressive fighter that suits Pacquiao's style perfectly, plus he has his connections on the Texas system. If something goes wrong, all Pacquiao has to do is make it to the end and the judges will deliver a beautiful present to him. Arum has done it before; he's an expert on that. Plus, dude, IT'S TEXAS. The city of robberies (John-Juarez I, Malignaggi-Diaz I etc.) If there is a concern, that's Arum's very possible lost to Floyd-Momsley in the PPV battle. That would be the only concern, the rest, he most likely has it all prepared. Checkezzzz!!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:48:19 AM
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Smoke:
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It is unfortunate that a rumor has cast a pall over Manny Pacquiao's reputation as a fighter. Every article and most comments on every boxing blog I have read mentions the rumor, oftentimes involving hostile discourse. I can appreciate the argument that Manny should not have to cave in to another fighter's demands, but unfortunately, the rumor continues to florish and seems to be developing a life of its own. I think it may be in team Pacquiaos best interest to do something to dispell this antagonism once and for all. I wish it would all blow over, but it seems to be the lingering 800 lb gorilla in the ring. My pick: Pacquiao over Clottey in a 6th round stoppage.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:49:44 AM
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SALT lover:
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And about your question,"Can you imagine what Arum would be saying about Pacquiao if he represented Floyd Mayweather? Talk about default guilt." I have one: Can you imagine what Pacfans and FANATICS would be saying about Floyd if he refused a random blood test from Pacquiao camp? Talk about a 180 turn of attacks. XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now me, no dude. I would be right here where I am, and questionin' the dude from Grand Rapids Michigan. Checkezzzzzzzzz!!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:54:24 AM
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Fe'Roz :
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Of course Arum should be concerned but his concern was already factored in to his decision to risk his cash cow, MP, against Clottey when he decided to make this match. Clearly, he believed Manny could get over this hurdle. Is there a risk? Absolutely. Clottey is a hard man and a live dawg. If he comes ready to work for twelve full rounds, Manny is going to have his hands full ... and plenty of lumps and possibly cuts to show for it. However, if Clottey takes his foot off of the accelerator for even a few rounds, he'll all but forfeit the fight because Manny will still be throwing until the end and win by decision. But if Arum is right about one thing, it's that Manny should not underestimate Joshua Clottey. I have this for Pacquiao close but unanimous. No KO. No KD.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 03:07:07 AM
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kbb:
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Ive had the opportunity to watch fights for over thirty years and I'll say that Pacquiao is probably better size for size than leonard, Hagler , Hearns and Duran. Ali? Naaaa!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 03:31:22 AM
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GerardMcL:
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Is there anything Arum or Team Pacquaio could possibly say that you wouldnt believe Frank?
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 03:50:29 AM
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Isaiah:
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Here's a list of things they could say that I would think something is up. Floyd Mayweather is the greatest boxer of all time. Floyd is the equal to Martin Luther King Jr. All Mayweather never lie, do any kind of drugs and never do any kind of wrong. Floyd is making up new rules for the good of the sport. Well, I think that's about the maximum level of insanity or as I call it, Mayweatherism, I can type up in one paragraph. Manny Pacquiao is the man!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 04:30:32 AM
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MisterLee:
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@ #1 pacsage, you're responding to accusations spawned by idiots and nuts' fo sho! That would drive me crazy too! Just b/c someone yells "Ching's armed and dangerous!" in a room doesn't mean I have to get strip searched to prove myself right (well bad metaphor, but ya know whatta I mean). Well a better one is, just b/c someone says jump, don't mean you gotta jump. Anyhow, I DO AGREE Clottey will be a challenge, not only b/c he's bigger. 1.) He WILL come in at 165 lbs on fight night that's a given. 2.) He has one of the best defense postures in the welterweight division 3.) Best chin in the division 4.) He has solid fundamentals, better than Cotto 5.) His speed is underrated 6.) He's a good counter puncher 7.) He has underrated head movement and slipping ability 8.) He has decent power and is a pretty good counter puncher. @ Salt Lover, is the Cotto fight the only time you ever seen Clottey box? Clottey is not a "front-movin' aggressive fighter" ya idiot! He only fought that way agst cotto b/c that's Cotto's undoing, and he tires out after 6 rounds. Clottey has better Ring IQ (9th point fo' sho!) than Cotto, so there ya go. Haters beware. And yeah, i'm only betting half a crow, b/c i know the odds, but yeah, Clottey wins!!!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 05:48:16 AM
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brownsugar:
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Pac has said that he would prefer a toe to toe brawl,.. because that's where he could deliver his power punches and make use of the angles...I haven't been impressed with all the catchweight fights,.. although they were fun to watch,.. but if he can beat a true welterweight,... I'll be impressed,.. very impressed,.. Pac would have to be considered a top welterweight if he passes this test...I think Clotteys key to victory is lateral movement,.. Pac has to reset and rewind when ever anybody takes a step to either side... should be another fun fight...
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 06:23:55 AM
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Frank Z@ #1Pacfan:
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Don't get me wrong, i'd like to believe it'd be because manny doesn't have to drain down to weight and the fact that he eats well and trains hard, but in the wake of the arguello-pryor fights, you HAVE to at least consider the questions being raised from that side. no one would have suspected pryor of taking the asthma medicine with the water, so worst case scenario, what if manny IS taking something? doesn't have to be steroids, could be something we don't know about altogether. all manny has to do, is take the damn test, then all these questiosn will go away. you can then go into his defense about how it makes him weak and he has to fast before it and all that, but if he's used to taking all the in the ring punishment, he's also used to draining himself to make weight, and he can eat 5 meals and protein shakes everyday in camp up until that one day before blood test anyway, especially if the cutoff is 14 days before the fight. you have 14 days to mentally get over the drawing of blood. basically all manny has said against this blood drawing is that it makes him feel weird. what is floyd said he wanted the ring a certain size otherwise it'd make him feel weird? it's what sugar ray robinson did back in his day too, he'd get slaughtered for it in the public eye. he cannot keep going on camera and saying he doens't even know what steroids are, as if no one's told him by NOW? why even give people a reason to question him? ESPECIALLY if he goes to stop clottey like people are saying, something antonio margarito coudln't do with bricks in his gloves.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 07:23:41 AM
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Red flag:
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"No! Not THAT bottle! The other bottle, the one that I mixed! THE ONE THAT I MIXED!" Since when do you mix water with water?? The classless and disgraced Panama Lewis was cheating, because you don't mix water with water. Manny Pacquiao was willing to take the test that can be beaten, but he wasn't willing to take the test that can't be beaten. Again, he would take the test you can cheat your way through, but not the one that you can't cheat your way through. RED FLAG.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 08:38:30 AM
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MisterLee:
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@ B-sug.... enjoy ALL of the catchweight fights? I hope you enjoy ONE, the Cotto fight. Kind of reminds me, Pacquiao has engaged in the same number of Catchweight fights as Floyd Mayweather: ONE. So who's a bigger threat? Marquez at 144 or Cotto at 145? Let's not get carried away with "catchweight talks" when Mayweather was clearly taking the safer, yet ambitious route (getting number 2 p4p fighter, number 2 welterweight spot, and 1 million PPV buys by beating a 35 year old lightweight champion). Smart? Yes. Legacy? No. Holler!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 08:47:31 AM
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Cabby:
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Almost there is a consensus that a Pacquiao-Mayweather, Jr boxing confrontation .will be the fight of the century. No matter how good it looks, I still believe that a non-title holder and a pretender must prove himself as a legitimate contender to the title he is vying for. For me, Jr. must fight Paul Williams before he fights Pacquiao. Pacquiao should demand that Jr. fights Williams, otherwise, forget it. Pacquiao has already the name and the title. He has the boxing legacy already written and done.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:56:01 AM
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Magic & Bird: A Courtship of Rivals:
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Just watched an OUTSTANDING documentary on HBO, Magic & Bird: A Courtship of Rivals. If you have Home Box Office, you've got to watch it. I think Clottey has a good chance Saturday. If it goes to the cards, let's hope he gets a fair shake.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:56:48 AM
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Real Talk:
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Clottey's punch output and workrate aren't busy enough to derail Pac. He needs to KO this guy to win an I doubt that very seriously. African fighters ALWAYS......get the shaft in the states. Everybody knows this. Pac by UD !!! Dueces
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 11:05:47 AM
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bill major:
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clottey is going to be a hard fight for manny i think,one worth watching. styles are what its about and these guys are made for a war. red flag,your talking out your a**,go find the other shooter in the RFK conspiracy.....man.mayweather couldnt beat pacquiao nom matter what piss test he took. lol
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:02:37 PM
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MisterLee:
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Can't wait! This is only my 3rd or 4th live fight. I saw de la hoya trinidad, de la hoya mayweather, and cotto clottey live (ppv). Gonna watch this at the bars. No hooters on saturday. Can't wait! Holler!
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:22:37 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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brownsugar has got the right take. Will Clottey move and jab and not get discouraged by Pac's speed? A toe-to-toe battle will favor Pac whose speed and angles on the inside are pretty amazing. I'd like to see Clottey work behind a solid jab all night, keep moving and not get sucked into Pacquiao's fireworks. But I'm pretty sure Pac will win this one with a late TKO.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:50:17 PM
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brownsugar@at MisterLee:
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Moving down in weight is always harder than moving up..
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 12:58:46 PM
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demon:
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i smell UP-SET in the pacman fight and Mayweather fight
so it will be clottey and mosley in the summer and the under card will be manny and floy
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 01:08:53 PM
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brownsugar@MLB:
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you're the only one who's bringing up the race card and trying to generalize African Americans,.. everybody else is just talking about the boxers...the only person displaying any bigotry is you...
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 03:28:16 PM
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isaiah:
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I have now heard it all. Pac is better than Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvin Hagler!? Are you serious . You really need to stop taking whatever drugs you are on. I mean no true boxing fan will make a comment like that one. Bandwagon fight fans make me sick on this site especially when it comes to Manny. I hope Clottey mop this fool up and then what. Silence.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 08:16:00 PM
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blue4cor:
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IT'S JUST THE STYLE. Marquez remains the toughest fight for Pacquiao. Style is the only reason why, not the opponents size. Let's not panic over Clottey's intimidating presence. Taller men did not give Pac as much trouble as his fight with a man with difficult style for him. Solis, ODLH, Morales, & Cotto were towering over him but size made little difference for them.
Thursday Mar 11, 2010 09:49:41 PM
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Isaiah:
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@MLB. My name is Isaiah and you like to call me the Watermelon man ehh? Hmmm... Out of all the names you've could have called me, why that one? I bet you think with this name I'm a black man, right? It seems to me that the one who keeps on talking about racial bigotry and what they think they see is the one starting stuff in the first place. I'm just saying, at least Easter came up with a couple of clever insults for me, but the only racist one I see is the fool that is blinded to his own and therefore puts it off on everyone else. Real simply put, why am I the watermelon man to you? Why THAT name, buddy?
Friday Mar 12, 2010 01:30:52 AM
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Smoke:
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@MLB. Why don't you get off this website and go to fighthype dot com. That is the site for you. You can say all kinds of insane bigoted crap that has nothing to do with boxing all day long. This site is for the big boys. Go run your mouth somewhere else!
Friday Mar 12, 2010 02:40:47 AM
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MIsterLee @ b-sug:
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Some fighters reach a limit.... marquez is ineffective at 147, i woud bet money, he's ineffective at 140, unless you see him mixing it up with lamont peterson or timothy bradley, or even amir khan. de la hoya quickly realized this when he reached 160 and got his arse owned by bhop. I still stand by it, 145 cotto would have presented a way harder fight for floyd than 144 marquez. Pls if ya gonna criticize, maintain this: floyd's last two fights were agst a 35 year old lightweight, and a lineal jr. welterweight champion. I'm not worried how much hatton could leg press, cotto, margarito, collazo (did) woulda had their way with that short, squat little strong man. Pc!
Friday Mar 12, 2010 09:22:41 AM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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