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Was Ali's Comeback A "Cakewalk" Compared To What Tiger Woods Will Face?
By Michael Woods
Some of you might be familiar with the work of Bill Simmons, aka The Sports Guy, who works for ESPN. Simmons has risen in the last decade from humble beginnings as a blogger with a readership numbering in the dozens, to a multimedia ass-kicker; earlier this year his latest book (The Book of Basketball: The NBA According to The Sports Guy), which I helped fact-check, hit No. 1 on the NY Times nonfiction best-seller list. I've enjoyed Bill's work, and have interacted with him pleasantly, if minimally, for the last few years. I've been pleasantly surprised by Bill's regard for the sweet science--the sport, not the site--and have gratefully consumed his occasional pro-pugilism columns.
So I was a bit surprised when I heard about the contretemps which began on Feb. 26, when The Sports Guy, during one of his ultra-marathon chats, responded to a query from a guy who wondered what it'd be like for Tiger Woods when he came back to golf.
Simmons replied, "To me, that's a much bigger question than "Where is LeBron going?" Tiger's comeback is going to be the most fascinating running sports story of my lifetime. I really believe that. We only get a handful of truly transcendent athletes per lifetime, he's one of them, and yet, none of them have ever been tested this way. The only thing that comes close: When Ali returned from 4 years of boxing exile for refusing to serve in Vietnam."
The dialogue blossomed. "Really Bill?" another chatter countered. "Ali coming back to win the title after being banned from the sport for religious convictions that prevented him from serving in a war that continues to effect the course of American history today, "comes close" to Tiger missing 5 months for a cavalcade of bimbos and a staged sex rehab?"
Simmons came back, with a four punch combo. He finished off with a hook. "Here's the big difference though: Everyone was rooting for Ali. He never came even 10% close to facing the scrutiny, vitriol and 24/7 news cycle microscope that Tiger will face."
Another chatter surfaced, and we went from boxing to wrasslin'. The other guy tagged in, and pulled Simmons in for a suplex. "Yes, I'm certain that in the early 1970s, a black man who refused to be called by his "slave name" was far better received by white America than Tiger is received in America today. Certain."
Simmons bounced back, and his piledriver shook the mat.
"You don't know your Ali history. It's true that White America was against him in the mid-60's, but that shifted as America turned against Vietnam. By the time of the Ali-Frazier fight, Frazier was the "old guard" rep and Ali was the "new guard" rep. He had everyone under 35 rooting for him."
The issue and question didn't die there. Simmons hammered out a whole online column on March 3, and amplified and clarified his stance. Here it is: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100303
There have been no shortage of pundits who've gone into "Kill Bill" mode. Charles Pierce at the Boston Globe and Deadspins' Tommy Craggs, not to mention Keith Olbermann, have all come to Ali's defense. Me, I'm not getting Olbermann-y on Simmons. Wouldn't be prudent. If I indeed disagreed with Sports Guy, and thought that the comparison of golf, which Woods mastered at age five, and periodically needs to muster a hearty response to people who don't even agree that golf meets the definition of a sport, with boxing, the sport of kings, to which all others aspire, doesn't fly. I draw a paycheck from ESPN, and doing work on Bill's books, as a fact-checker, has put money in my pocket. I'm keen on continuing with that arrangement, so I refuse to engage in some sort of intra-familial skirmish, or even give the appearance of that. I will, though, weigh in for "my" sport with an anecdote which helps me keep the difficulty of boxing in proper--for me--perspective.
In 1996, I had a notion that I'd train for the New England Golden Gloves, then, after getting a decent base in the game, get a license to fight professionally, just once. I figured the experience would be personally and professionally illuminating, and one year out of a skid in which I'd gotten a bit too deep into a Cobain-y mode of living, I was eager for a transformative chapter in my life. So I hooked on at the Somerville Boxing Club, home to heavyweight prospect John Ruiz, certifiable loony-tune--in a good way--Norman "Stoney" Stone, his manager, and a bucketload of earnest amateurs and club-fighter level pros. Under the part-time watch of a delightfully crusty old trainer named Frank Murphy, I showed up at the gym a few times a week, after my 9-to-5, did the road work Frank directed me to do, and set upon learning enough of the art and science of the sport to enter the Gloves and then get that one pro fight. I kept a diary along the way, because I had designs to do a book. After about five months of working out, and four months of pestering Frank to let me spar, ole Frankie broke down.
"Ok, Ok," he muttered through a Tiparillo haze. Following a long shredding coughing fit, Frankie gave me the green light: "You can spar." It was a Saturday, and Frankie looked around the gym for someone either as green as I, or with a soft streak in them, someone who wouldn't light up the green guy, and tatter me for the hell of it. He saw pro Jacques LeBlanc, a defensive whiz who'd gone the distance with Roberto Duran, Alex Hilton, Vinny Pazienza and Dana Rosenblatt. The Canadian agreed to spar with me, so I yanked on an oversized cup, headgear, and entered the Somerville ring. After thirty seconds of shuffling, and some jabbing and a few looping rights, I was sucking for oxygen like I'd been waterboarded.
A minute in, LeBlanc shot a jab, and it caused me to yell, "Hold up." LeBlanc, who by the way was operating at about a quarter of his proficiency, stopped in his tracks. I dropped down on my knees, and looked at the canvas.
"Woody, what's going on?" Murphy yelled from the apron.
"I lost my contact lens," I replied. The whole gym groaned.
My left eye was 20-400, so I figured it'd be better to spar with soft lenses in, and see what LeBlanc threw, rather than just see hazy shapes coming at me. Jacques got down on his knees, bless his soul, and we saw the lens sitting on a layer of gym grime. I picked it up, somehow, with my puffy sparring gloves, someone got me a cup of water to put it in, and I got back to sparring.
Towards the end of the session, I shot a jab, LeBlanc ducked it, and my arm hyper-extended. I felt that big-time the next day, and in fact, a tendon tore slightly off the errant toss. With ten seconds to go, I was gassed, and recall the feeling of being totally fatigued, as a fresh foe threw one, two, three, four shots at me. My legs were heavier than Kevin Smith's, I was stuck, and LeBlanc was teeing off. Being a kind soul, he tapped me lightly, though with enough zest that my nose was tender in the days following this less-than-grand experiment.
I think we did two rounds, me and LeBlanc, with that break for the lens. And I was drained. Had nothing left. And hurt for a week afterwards.
My takeaway--I now had a better, if still imperfect sense, of what boxers go through. I've golfed a couple of times, and can safely say that this ain't a matter of apples and oranges. It's apples, and vegetables, to me. No comparison.
That's all I'll say.
What about you, fight fans? Will Woods be at a bigger disadvantage when he comes back to the links than Ali was coming back to the savage science after three-and-a-half years on the sidelines? What do you think of Simmons' stance? Are we simply too enamored of the sweet science, TSS U, and therefore, is our objectivity is out the window? You golf-hounds out there, you are better equipped than I to speak to the difficulty of coming off a lengthy break..let's hear from you.
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Condor:
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No comparison whatsoever. None. Zero. Ali had it MUCH tougher. INFINITELY tougher. My God, the guy came back after more than 3 1/2 years on the speaking circuit and fought Quarry, Bonavena, and then a prime Joe Frazier. Not one soft touch (off topic, these days guys would have all the Billy Zumbrun's of the world queued up). Furthermore, Ali was not rich in October 1970; Tiger's a mega-mogul. Ali NEEDED to work, and fighting was his job; Woods could get divorced, chase every skirt at every Perkins from here to Oxnard (Fletch), and never work another day in his life. And on top of that, I disagree with Simmons that Ali was a truly sympathetic figure back then. Vietnam was 5 years from ending, Nixon was in office, Watergate hadn't happened, and much of the 'silent majority' still reviled him. Indeed, I remember Atlanta in 1996 and the staggering disbelief that people spoke of who came of age in that era. Aside from the obvious fact that Tiger has no one battering him, even figuratively the comparison doesn't hold. Tiger Woods played in November of last year. Yes, November. My guess is he'll be back for the Arnold Palmer Open 2 weeks from Thursday. If that's the case, his "layoff" will be 4 months (had this stuff never happened, Tiger likely would have only played 2 or 3 times during this period anyway). 4 months versus 3 1/2 years?? That's not to say it'll be easy for Tiger. Remember, this is a guy that turns Golota-on-steroids if you snap a picture in his backswing. Now he's going to have to contend with jeers, heckling, and outright hatred from his once adoring crowd. Tiger Woods was to golf what Manny Pacquiao is to boxing. They both elicit a Beatles-esque reaction from the squealing masses at their very presence (in Tiger's case, past tense). So this is new territory for him. Big-time new territory. His caddy and security will not be able to contain every boozy loudmouth in the crowd. In closing, while we know that literally there's no comparison between the two, there's also no comparison figuratively.
Monday Mar 8, 2010 07:00:09 PM
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brownsugar:
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you have to be some kind of athlete to come back after 4 years,.. after I graduated High School and took a year to decide if I'd join the military or go straight to college,.. I decided to go to and help my old coach teach the young up and comers who were filling my shoes on the wrestling team (after I graduated and passed the torch),...I was only one year away from the sport and I had been one of the exceptional grade A grapplers,..but those kids almost tore me apart on the first day,.. and I came to teach them something...so I can imagine how difficult it was for Ali to come back... ........Doing pushups and situps in a cell is a poor consolation for the real deal...nothing can replace the live action of being in the ring,.. sparring and training the right way...plus he was a muslim,.. he was labled a draft dodger,.. and was considered to be all around UnAmerican...sure he had some support for various reasons,.. but he also had to overcome the type of hatred bigotry,.. and alienation that usually only groups like the Klan can produce...back in those days,.. you didn't have to be in the Klan to hate the muslims,.. it was considered the American thing to do...Tiger will loose some sponsors,.. and probably won't be invited to everybody's black tie only $2000 a plate luncheon,.. but there's no comparison what so ever,.. it's like comparing apples to oranges...sure Tiger will miss the 99% appoval rating and exceptance he once had,.. but the view of the sunset,.. from the terrace of one of his multimillion dollar beach front mansions,... will still be just as sweet...
Monday Mar 8, 2010 07:58:24 PM
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Isaiah:
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I can't believe we are comparing an all time great boxer with an all time great golfer. Muhammed Ali is superior in every way, end of story. Next article please.
Monday Mar 8, 2010 08:00:12 PM
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amiriki:
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Hating the Muslims is still the American thing to do. It is also the thing to do on this site. Yea, I heard a very ignorant person posting that the Muslims "have a moon god named Allah." Now ain't that hatred and ignorance for anybody with an iota of a brain. Since when do the Christains, Jews and Muslims believe in a different god, especially a moon? Tell your fellow American idiot that Allah is the Arabic word for God, as Yahwa is the Hebrew word for God. Name me one Prophet who spoke English? And was not from the East. Don't count Joseph Smith of the Mormons. Nice story by the article.
Monday Mar 8, 2010 08:38:16 PM
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Tex:
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Who cares about Tiger? He should join Amway, which also screws anything that moves, and has ripped off millions of people for several decades, to the tune of 10s of billions of dollars:
Amway is a scam, and here's why: Amway pays out as little money as they can get away with, so they support the higher level IBOs ripping off their downline via the tool scam.
As a result, about 99% of IBOs operate at a net loss, while the top 1% make several TIMES more from their Amway tool scam than from the Amway products. This was made illegal in the UK in 2008, but our FTC is unable to pull their heads out of their butts to stop it here.
Read about it on my blog, I suggest you start here: Google "Amway the rest of the story" and forward the information to everyone you know, so they don't get scammed.
Monday Mar 8, 2010 11:56:34 PM
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a:
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On earth, Jesus spoke Aramaic and he called his father Abu. There was nothing bigoted about Isa, the real Middle Eastern name of the English version of the ethnocentric and xenophobic Jesus.
Tuesday Mar 9, 2010 07:47:54 AM
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brownsugar:
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the thing about Ali is that he was interwoven into the political turmoil of the times... his fight was not only inside the ring but outside as well... and millions around the world monitored his every move... picket lines would appear with protesters denouncing his decision to not join the army... that's a far cry from being criticized for maritial infidelity,.. and even though the phenominal golfer has rocked the sports world with his amazing skill on the course,.. who can actually say that he ever represented the People(those people know who they are),.. like Ali did,.. this is not a mark against Tiger,.. he's a skillful golfer not a political activist,.. I don't know any golfer who ever was,... and that's not something that Tiger will ever be,.. I appreciates his successes,.. even had me watching what I feel is the most boring sport in the world..and it's obscene the amount of money that a casual sport like golf can generate..unreal..
Tuesday Mar 9, 2010 07:48:31 AM
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Matthew:
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The two situations are not even remotely comparable. While it's true that public opinion had, for the most part, shifted in Ali's favor toward the end of his exile, not all Americans were in his corner. Ali was much more of a political figure than Woods, thus making him more polarizing (though fortunately his anti-white separatist Muslim rhetoric had softened by the early 70s). Ali lost a lot more than Woods: his heavyweight title, his ability to earn a living, and most of his money, not to mention the real prospect of possibly facing 5 years in prison. All Woods has lost is a few sponsorship deals and the respect of a lot of people. While I occasionally enjoy Simmons' columns, he is out of his element here. He's not a boxing guy. Just because he knows a little bit about Ali (and that's not hard, considering all the articles and documentaries that are floating around) doesn't make him qualified to discuss the sweet science. He's much more suited to discuss the Celtics, Red Sox, and Patriots.
Tuesday Mar 9, 2010 10:09:38 AM
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Puncher:
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Why can't we count Joseph Smith? Because he was a modern prothet compared to those in the past. I'm really interested in that one.
Tuesday Mar 9, 2010 11:51:46 AM
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jindo:
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You can't include Smith because he was a charlatan who just made up new "rules" and " commandments" when he wanted something, i.e. plural marriage. You can't compare Ali and Tiger in any respect. Tiger doesn't even call himself a black man....he's blasian. Society was far different back then. Now it's the cult of personality and celebrity.
Wednesday Mar 10, 2010 11:08:44 AM
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damone:
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I think most people are missing the point. Simmons is not saying that golf is harder than boxing or that golfers are better athletes in any way. What he is saying is that today the level of media scrutiny and fan involvement make it much more difficult for the best athletes in their respective sport to make a comeback. It is a coincidence that the best example is boxing. You have to look at the argument from a media perspective, not which sport is more difficult to train for.
Wednesday Mar 10, 2010 11:45:27 AM
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EM@Damone:
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Damone, Bill did allude to the physical component vis a vis the difficulty of a comeback. (The man is coming off two significant derailments: Reconstructive knee surgery (summer 2008) and a self-imposed exile (winter of 2009-10). In a 41-month stretch from 2005 through the 2008 U.S. Open, Tiger reeled off 25 PGA Tour titles (six of them majors). Is that guy gone? How many times have we seen an imposing golfer lose his way and never regain his mojo? Remember when Tom Watson stopped making big putts? Remember when Greg Norman lost his confidence after too many collapses? Golf is a mental sport. You need a ton of self-confidence, you need an unwavering belief in your own talents and you need to be able to tune out any and all distractions. Hell, Tiger could barely handle someone's camera clicking during his backswing. He's going to be able to handle … this?))) I chose to touch on this element of his argument for the most part, not the other elements (media attention, pressure from wife etc)....I wasn't going to go into a point by point dissection of Bill's hypothesis...Thanks for reading
Wednesday Mar 10, 2010 01:21:30 PM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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