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Mosley Makes It "Clear:" He Doesn't Need PEDs To Beat Mayweather
By Ron Borges
Despite his own shadowy past, Shane Mosley is unafraid.
He’s unafraid of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and just as importantly he’s unafraid of being asked to prove he’s no longer using performance enhancing drugs, which is why he’s in a position to prove he’s unafraid of Mayweather and anything else to do with boxing.
The two of them will square off May 1 in Las Vegas in the biggest fight of the year to date, a bout between the two best welterweights in the world. Just as significantly, it will be the first fight where the participants are willingly submitting to random blood testing for PEDs, the Mayweather demand that proved to be the undoing of a potential $40 million per man mega-fight this year between Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.
Pacquiao’s refusal to submit to random blood testing up to within a few days of their fight was, for reasons only he can know for sure, not something he was willing to do. His reasons included a fear of needles, a fear of being weakened by blood loss, a fear of this and a fear of that.
Mosley heard such excuses recently during a lengthy interview with TSS and laughed. He didn’t say he thought Pacquiao was lying. He didn’t say anything about Pacquiao. What he said instead was about himself but it seemed to make all things clear on the matter.
“I’m not afraid of needles,’’ Mosley said, grinning. “I’m not afraid of blood tests. They can show up at my doorstep in Big Bear (the mountain retreat east of L.A. where he will train) at 3 a.m. I have no problem being tested.
“I think it’s a good thing, to tell you the truth. There are track people and baseball players (using). These (strength and conditioning) trainers come in and act like they’re doing something for the athletes. We don’t need them. Boxing needs to stay with the old (training) style. The worst part of my career was when I had a sports trainer. I lost five times.’’
He also beat Oscar De La Hoya and in his preparation for their second fight later learned he’d used EPO (blood doping) as well as “the clear’’ and “the cream,’’ two nearly undetectable forms of steroids provided to him by his former strength and conditioning trainer Darryl Hudson and Victor Conte, who ran the notorious BALCO lab that was the center of the Barry Bonds and Marion Jones steroid controversies.
Mosley admitted under oath to a Federal grand jury that he’d injected himself with EPO and used both the clear and the cream but claimed he had no knowledge these were illegal PEDs. Conte and Hudson have disputed that and the story has lingered for six years, never seeming to go away.
Hudson and Mosley have an ongoing legal battle over the issue and Conte has served time for his part in the distribution of the illegal drugs to a number of professional athletes including Mosley. But now, in the weeks and months leading up to one of the biggest fights of his career, the 38-year-old WBA champion seems eager to not only face Mayweather but also to prove all he needs to win are the performance enhancers given to him at birth and developed over nearly 30 years in boxing.
“I feel insulted I’m still talking about BALCO stuff,’’ Mosley (46-5, 39 KO) said. “I never tested positive in 2003. If I was a juicer I would have been caught in 2003, 2004, 2006. It should have been erased.
“It’s been put out there for media purposes. That’s fine with me. I’m in a sport that is not really about strength any way. It’s speed, timing and the mental side. You can be the strongest man but if you can’t hit the guy nothing is going to happen. Floyd is a great fighter. He’s smart. Being strong doesn’t win Floyd fights.’’
The undefeated (40-0, 25 KO) Mayweather is still considered by many to be the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world despite having ceded that position to Pacquiao when he left the sport for a 21-month self-imposed exile. He came back in September and dominated one of the most skilled boxers in the world (and a long-time nemesis of Pacquiao’s), Juan Manuel Marquez, in a fight that impressed many people in boxing, but Mosley was not among them.
It’s not that Mosley doesn’t respect Marquez, who is one of his stablemates at Golden Boy Promotions. It’s simply that he and Mayweather are welterweights and Marquez is, well, a dozen pounds short of that.
“I’m the best welterweight in the world but taking myself out of the equation it’s Pacquiao,’’ Mosley said. “At least Manny fought (former WBO champion Miguel) Cotto. Cotto wasn’t the best welterweight in the world but at least he fought a real welterweight.
“You can’t come back and fight lightweights and junior welterweights (like Ricky Hatton). The last welterweight Floyd fought was Oscar and he’d been off for how long? You can’t come back for two months and say you’re a serious fighter.’’
Despite the fact Mosley hasn’t fought in over a year he has been training for fights that never happened. The latest was with WBC champion Andre Berto, who was forced to pull out of their match after the destruction suffered in his native Haiti left him unable to mentally prepare for a boxing match when he had friends and relatives left homeless and abandoned.
Mosley understood and is thankful the fight did not come off not solely because it allowed him to open negotiations with Mayweather after the Pacquiao fight collapsed but because he saw in Berto something Berto didn’t see in himself – a void.
“He’s not ready for it (such a big fight) mentally,’’ Mosley said. “I like Berto. I would have understood if he didn’t want to fight me in the first place. He wasn’t ready to fight me but he was willing to test himself.
“That’s what you like to see in a young fighter. He wanted to fight me but I don’t want to ruin a good young fighter. It’s not a skill factor. Mentally he’s not ready.’’
Mosley, on the other hand, is always ready. Or so it seems. At least he has been since ridding himself of Hudson and going back to the old ways in boxing – hitting bags, running, exercise, diet, sparring. Returning boxing to what it has always been – a sport of speed, wiliness and courage.
“I was always ready,’’ Mosley said of his own career. “I wasn’t ever intimidated. My first fight with Oscar people asked if I was intimidated. Why would I be afraid of something I wanted?
“If they told me in my first professional fight to fight the champion, Phillip Holliday, I would have done it. And I would have won.’’
That confidence, competitive spirit and willingness to be tested (now in more ways than one) is what has kept Mosley at or near the top for so long. It is the same thing, he believes, that will return him there on May 1 in Las Vegas when he and Mayweather offer to the world what boxing needs – a big night at the fights.
“It’s been very frustrating to sit there and watch different guys fight, but I was in the gym getting better and better,’’ Mosley said assuredly. “I was fighting, just not in front of people."
The last time Mosley was in front of people it was at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Jan. 24, 2009, the night Antonio Margarito was found wearing tampered hand wraps that the California Athletic Commission said were laced with a hardening agent similar to plaster of paris.
The wraps were removed and the fight went on, with Mosley dominating Margarito six months after Margarito beat Cotto half to death and less than a year since he’d done the same to Kermit Cintron. But on this night Margarito had no answers for the chin questions Mosley kept asking, questions that finally left Margarito totally beaten down after nine one-sided rounds.
Although Margarito was suspended for a year (and returns March 13 on the Pacquiao-Joshua Clottey card in Dallas) after the fight, Mosley insisted he had no hard feelings about his opponent’s hardened handwraps and would willingly fight him again after he beats Mayweather and then grants Mayweather a contractually-obligated rematch that Mosley believes his opponent is going to need.
“So what?’’ Mosley said when asked his reaction to Margarito’s effort to load his gloves. “He hit Cotto with them. A lot. How many times did he hit me?’’
Told “None,’’ Mosley beamed.
“Exactly,’’ he said. “That would have made no difference. I would have murdered him the same way, loaded gloves or not.’’
Mosley feels the same about Mayweather. While he concedes Mayweather is a vastly talented fighter who is quick and a master of defense, he looks at him, then looks at himself and concludes what he always has felt and what he believes is unchanged today. In a boxing ring, or anywhere else within the sport, he rules.
“I think the match with me and Floyd is a mega-match,’’ Mosley said quite rightly. “The real megafights are between the three or us (including Pacquiao), not with Clottey.
“I love to beat anyone out there. I love to challenge myself. That’s my competitive nature. I’ve always been that way. I love to win.’’
Shane Mosley made evident how much when it was suggested that Mayweather had won the negotiation with Pacquiao because he ended up in a mega-fight in Vegas with him while Pacquiao ended up with a far less high profile opponent in Texas.
“I wouldn’t say he won it,’’ Mosley said, smiling. “I won it.’’
So did boxing, which won because two of the finest fighters in the world agreed to fight but not to fight the idea of coming in clean of anything but what God and training will give them. In Shane Mosley's opinion, that’ll be quite enough, thanks.
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Straight Right:
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Mosley Bumaye!
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:08:09 PM
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The Saint:
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LOL. Ron Whoreges still suffering from Pacquiao p-nis envy.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:19:41 PM
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LC:
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I have a feeling, Mosley might upset the apple card between Manny Pacquaio vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. Don't count him out yet!
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:19:52 PM
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Master Snake :
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Awesome to hear Mosely make clear the questioinable value of a sports trainer! Only the most pampered, and rich, boxers carry them with their team. What value do they really deliver. Boxing and soccer are my favorite sports. I played soccer when I was younger. Everyone I knew, including myself, got better just playing the game as much as possible in any form or fashion. Not by lifting weights. Muscle building may have some value when it targets an obvious weakness in a player/boxer. But generally, just playing/doing the sport develops the muscles you need to use while really improving your understanding of the game and developing your personal style. This is what makes one great in any sport. Body building is another sport... uhhh, I mean pursuit of vanity. Has anyone ever seen a former, burned out body builder? Not a pretty sight! Especially one that abused their body with PEDs.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:36:36 PM
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Knockout:
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Mosley's going to knockout mayweather
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:40:54 PM
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mrricardez:
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really good article. mosley is going to pull the upset. he exudes that confidence he had right before the margarito fight, when everyone was calling him crazy. guy doesnt get the credit he deserves, but he will the night of may 1st
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:47:15 PM
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agram:
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It is amusing how the likes of mosley and mayweather blows their horn and proclaim themselves as "best" this or that and a fanatic writer like this one would acknowledge it.
I guess "birds of the same feather flocks together" really means
bunch them up.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 12:53:26 PM
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Manowill:
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LC: it's apple cart;)
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 01:03:49 PM
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swift:
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Mayweather has something coming to him in May. There is no where to hide now! The key to the fight is the first couple of rounds, because if Mosley takes a lead that Judah took, it's over!
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 01:05:37 PM
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Anonymous user:
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Shane Mosley made evident how much when it was suggested that Mayweather had won the negotiation with Pacquiao because he ended up in a mega-fight in Vegas with him while Pacquiao ended up with a far less high profile opponent in Texas.
-yah but guess what mosley is just a patch in a hole!!!!
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 01:11:58 PM
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jaKe:
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If you consider Paul Williams a welterweight then who do you consider
make up the top 5 welterweights in the world?
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 01:25:38 PM
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brownsugar:
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Mosley has access to the best amateur and professional boxers in the game to spar with,... guys who frequently use his Big Bear facilities to train in,.. and Shane trains all the time.... Shane has never gone into a fight scared or gave any subconscious indicators that he's ever been worried in any way by his opposition,.. no matter how hard they punch,.. even though he was criticized,.. what he did to Mayorga was phenomenal,... he had a few bad rounds,.. but there were many times in that fight where his straight right couldn't miss,.. and dude came into the fight tipping the scale at 172lbs,... watching him chop down Margarito,... the man with the concrete chin was just a thing of beauty,.. but folks will always remember Shane getting beat by Cotto (good fight,. I had it a draw),.. he was the first fighter to walk down Cotto and not get his body broken donw,.. when Cotto was still Cotto,.. but the inner fire didn't seem to burn as bright for Shane that night,... so I expect Shane to be strong,.. capable,.. and confident for his fight with Mayweather as he has been against everyone else he's fought,.. nothings changed...the pressure is on Mayweather to summon up some of his Old Combination Punching magic,.. quiet as it's kept,.. Floyd can take a punch,.. and punch hard enough when he needs too,.. this fight is going to bring out the best in both men,... can't wait to turn my cable back on...
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 01:40:48 PM
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mortcola@Ron Borges:
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Ron, you should have learned by now that when you, personally, write something, it probably has some major errors of fact and judgment in it. Your pathological need to denigrate Manny Pacquiao is like a brain flu that won't let up. But you seem unmotivated to fix your own problem. Pacs refusal to submit to Mayweather's unilateral re-writing of the rules is old news now. And has nothing to do with Mosley's stand-up-guy status. Grow up, question your own motivations, and act like a journalist - maybe you'll be one someday, instead of a guy who uses his forum to be a wise-a$$ for the attention.
As for the fight, Shane performed his best when roids weren't even in the picture. This is a match of prime athletes, even if Shane isn't technically in his prime anymore. He's come clean, and its time to get off the gossip train and get back to the business of fights and discussing fights.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 02:23:51 PM
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Lingdo:
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Forget about these three doods. Write about some other boxers. I'm tired of reading about these 3.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 02:39:37 PM
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ringleader:
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I DARE YOU TO FIND ANY ARTICLE EMANATING FROM TEAM PACQUIAO (NO MANUFACTURED QUOTES PLEASE!!!) SAYING THAT HE IS AFRAID OF NEEDLES. I DARE YOU.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 02:50:30 PM
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bri:
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this is going to be a great fight. its the no excuses fight to me. if floyd wins this he will have beaten the top welt in the game and #3 pound for pound in the world. he cant do much more then that other then face the quote #1 in the world pacman. and pacman has had a good year. but this is his 4th fight against someone coming off a big loss. delahoya just lost to floyd. hatton just lost to floyd, cotto just lost to margarito now clottey who just lost to cotto. next opponent is suppose to be against margarito who just lost to mosley. he is gona have to start fighting those on the upswing or at least one of the top welts. floyd, mosley or p.w. as a champion you have to. seams like someone in the welt devision is ducking the top fighters in the world and his name is not floyd or mosley.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 03:03:17 PM
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uruk-hai:
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This writer Ron Borges puts to shame whatever Journalism school he went into. My guess is that he didn't have any formal journalism education to begin with. Talk about pnis envy. Ron Borges turns it into an artform.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 03:08:38 PM
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George Clooney:
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Mosley is a great fighter, much greater than Floyd in the sense that he didn't backed down to challenges from much bigger men than himself. Floyd on the other hand is a joke, for people to call him great is a silliest thing i've ever heard. And to call this writer a proffesional is an insult. Ron go and swing on your boy Floyd's ego for you two belong to each other.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 03:51:52 PM
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Anony:
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I FOUND THE ARTICLE VERY WELL PUT... and Ron Borges didn't trash Pacquiao.. he is just doing what a journalist should do; get the facts and elaborate the story upon it. For example, did Mosley used steroids? YES. Did Margarito used loaded gloves? YES. Does Mayweather and him fighting is a REAL welterweight fight? YES. Does Pacquiao has problems with needles.. well obviously YES!!!... so what's the problem with Borges???? He is just stating the facts. It seems the "needle issue" really bothers Manny's fans. I wonder why?
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 03:54:03 PM
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El Maromero@ george clooney:
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Just stick to acting.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 04:26:47 PM
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Anony - quoting Mr. Victor Conte:
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"Traditional testing in boxing, it's basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight." "EPO, though, in terms of boxing, is absolutely huge, both in training and as well as in a fight, especially during the later rounds." Also Conte said that the tests needs to be random. It's the best way to do it. "Otherwise," he explains,"it's what they call 'announced testing' and I've historically called that 'I.Q. testing'. So to apply that to other sports, it would be like showing up to training camp for Major League Baseball and they test you. That's announced testing. You have to be pretty dumb to show up at training camp or at 'announced testing' and test positive. The clearance time of most of these drugs that are out there are well known." He also says that for these substances to be utilized at their maximum efficiency, they must be properly cycled and be out of your system by the time competition begins. GREAT READING, UH? INSIGHTS FROM THE MASTER CHEATER. Taking that into consideration I guess random test could affect a $40,000,000.00 decision???? Nah... Pacman is not doing the fight because he feels superstitious about needles, IT IS JUST THAT, RIGHT??? But I guess these Victor Conte's quotes are just a good reading who can help us understand better why OTHER ATHLETES won't do random test... other than Pacquiao obviously... I mean, who won't believe Pacman's excuse???... actually, Mark McGwire was a great guy who kissed and hugged Roger Maris's family that night when he "broke" the record... he truly looked like a hero for a while... but don't worry... I mean, Pacquiao won't do it, right?.... same goes with Ivan "Pudge" Rodríguez (a fellow Boricua), remember??? The perfect baseball player and hero to Puerto Rico... and who could believe he was juicing?? BUT NO..... please forget them, Pacquiao is different, he won't do that... right??? REMEMBER TO STOP THINKING AND JUST TRUST PACQUIAO'S FEAR OF NEEDLES... JUST TRUST HIM.... ..... ..... ......
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 04:39:23 PM
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El Maromero @Anony:
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Truthfully, I doubt Manny is on steroids. He has awesome accuracy combined with speed and mobility. I don't think his opponents have sparring partners that are anywhere near his level and for that reason they do not have the reflexes to react to his fast punches. You have to take that in consideration before you compare him to a baseball player. I am upset that he refused to take the random test with a two week window, he and his fans said that he has inegrity pride and all that stuff but his trainer and promoter were lying to the media about many things that were said when the mediator was in between the two camps. The mediator said that Top Rank was making false staments about Floyd and GBP a soon as the fight broke down. I can't believe that Manny is still saying that he wants to shut Floyd up but he won't take the test. They are not part of NSAC but neither is the miilons that Floyd was going to be penalized if he came in over the limit. Which Floyd agreed to
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 05:07:40 PM
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The Saint:
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@El Maromero: Regarding the penalty for Mayweather coming in over the limit, the difference is, Mayweather had a recent history of doing just that to gain the upperhand. pacquiao has no history whatsoever of anything that would suggest he's on steroids, other than jealous observers who don't want to give him credit for his accomplishments. I'm as ignorant as the next guy when it comes to deciding which method works best, but there are arguments coming from both sides claiming that their method is superior while the other method isn't effective. But the fact is, fighters HAVE been caught on steroids through urinalysis. It's also worth noting that of course, WADA and whatever other organization pushing for the random blood testing to be implemented in boxing, are looking out for THEIR financial interests. Naturally, if their methods became standardized, they would be the biggest beneficiary. The Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is a big opportunity for them to push their agenda with all the exposure they are getting. The other fact is that whether it's rational or not, Pacquiao attributes his loss to Morales to his blood getting drawn so close to fight night. Who knows? Maybe it had nothing to do with the blood getting drawn. Maybe he ate bad sushi. But Pacquiao is convinced that it was the blood getting drawn, and he doesn't want to subject himself to that, let alone to being dictated by a fighter who is of inferior status to him, at least according to experts who voted 2 to 1 in Pacquiao's favor to be the fighter of the decade.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 05:51:58 PM
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Trooper0906:
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Mosley said that he is the best welterweight and Cotto is not the best but a real welterweight. WHY DID HE LOST TO COTTO IF HE IS THE BEST? I DON'T THINK HE WILL WIN AGAINST MAYWEATHER. BELIEVE ME, THEY WILL HUG EACH OTHER IN THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE FIGHT. THE RESULT, SPLIT DRAW!.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 07:25:11 PM
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brownsugar@Anony:
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great comments,... personally I didn't read any negativity into Rons 2 or 3 sentences concerning Pac,.. he just made a brief comment that mirrors what the world at large is thinking,.. and blood tests can reveal additives that urinalisis cannot detect.. I wonder how many boxers would start shaking in their boots when the boxing commissions finally decide to take more stringent tests a universal requirement,..if other sports are any indication,.. there's probably hundreds of boxers taking advantage of the fact that boxing is using antiquated methods to detect PED's...
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 07:26:36 PM
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Dick2:
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I saw Mosley Cotto fight and Shane run out of gas, his stamina is still in question specially he got older now. I doubt that he can pull himself to dance with Floyd but if he does, great. I luv to see Floyd beaten too. I like to watch Shane, Floyd, and Manny fight but I do not want to hear the Mayweather specially the senior talking trash talks against the Pacman. At least Shane acts like a professional for not having some bad comments about Pacquiao. Accusing or hurting someone's reputation makes the other fighter to retaliate and it will make harder to match up a fight. Lesson learn folks.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 07:50:17 PM
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ampatuan army:
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definitely... they cannot shake mannys boots when commission decide to do stringent drug test.Manny is completely clean and only fools do suspect him.let it be the commission decide on this issue,Not floyd,Not De La HOya,And certainly not Usada,and Wada
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 08:14:31 PM
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Unbalanced BALLS:
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I am Pac fan but how can you not love Mosley. he tells it what it is. He is the fighter that other fighters avoid to be with. When his chance with Mayweather came through, I could imagine him jumping up and down like a pogo stick. His smile could be that big and he was tickled to death. Shane, Go get your chance for the SUPER_MEGA fight with Manny. BEAT FLOYD.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 08:21:24 PM
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NEWV:
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MAYWEATHER start putting xylocaine coz your going to punch a brick wall...
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 08:33:50 PM
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mortcola@anony:
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A nice singsongy list ending in "a fear of this, a fear of that" - a smug wannabe mocking a blood and guts fighter. One bright person defined critics as "eunuchs at an orgy". Think about it.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 08:53:56 PM
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donputo69:
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Yep...mosley doesnt need PED to beat the crap out of scareweather....But the rumors going around is that scareweather is planning to fake an rib injury in the next couple of weeks...wich...IM NOT SURPRISE AT ALL...when that bell rings on may 1st, then i will believe the fight is ON....Mosley by TKO in 4 rounds...holla back!!!
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 09:06:57 PM
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aljamieson:
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Something that was left out of this (and many other discussions) is that Shane Mosley was not an available opponent for Pacquiao until after he had signed for Clottey. Honestly, if Mosley/Berto had been cancelled in the first week of January, would Mosely have preferred a fight with Mayweather or with Pacquiao? And, if the Berto fight had not fallen apart, who exactly would Mayweather have signed on to fight?? Mayweather was bullied into this fight by a boxing community that had begun to question whether he would ever live up to his on hype.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 09:11:54 PM
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brownsugar:
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Shane actually campaigned to get a fight with Pac after he beat Hatton and before he beat Cotto,.. literally getting down on his hands and knees begging to fight him at 142,.. then 140lbs,.. Pac didn't want no parts of Mosley,..(even appologizing in a statement saying "it was an honor to be challenged by Shane" but that he wasn't taking the fight) even at a severe catchweight,.. Roach noted Shanes sold beard,.. his undeniable power,.. and his the fact that he believed Shane was just way too strong for Pac,.. ... that was while ago,....Roach has more confidence now that Pac beat Cotto plus the fact that Shane hasn't been in the ring in more than a year....(and ain't gettin no younger)
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 09:53:21 PM
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brownsugar:
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"roach noted Shanes solid beard"
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 09:57:13 PM
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Obi:
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Good article. Why do Pacquiao fans linger in these comments areas talking mad negativity on every site I go to?
The article doesn't even have to be about Pacqiuaio and I can still find it...
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 09:58:26 PM
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Leon KIlat:
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I hope Mosley will give Floyd a near death beating come May 1 to humble this highly overbearing ducker of all time.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 09:59:38 PM
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Beastie Boy:
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Mosley: "I’m in a sport that is not really about strength any way. It’s speed, timing and the mental side. You can be the strongest man but if you can’t hit the guy nothing is going to happen. Floyd is a great fighter. He’s smart. Being strong doesn’t win Floyd fights.’’
Mosley said it himself. He just made a prediction of what will happen on May 1st. Mosley will not be able to hit Floyd. Floyd' speed, timing, and ring smarts will be too much for him.
As much as I hate Floyd, Mosley will look as pathetic as Baldomir. He will look like the pathetic Coyote chasing that annoying Roadrunner.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 10:00:45 PM
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Obi:
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Good article. Why do Pacquiao fans linger in these comments areas talking mad negativity on every site I go to?
The article doesn't even have to be about Pacqiuaio and I can still find it...
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 10:11:18 PM
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ali:
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Mosley is a big ass welterweight ....Now when Mayweather beats him your going to see that it has nothing to do with size......Skills heart and smarts is alot more important inside the squared circle.....Mayweather will prove that may 1
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 10:15:48 PM
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Smiley C:
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Mosley is a small welterweight who came up from Lightweight. The guy and Mayweather are equal in every catagory but likability. Mayweather came up from Junior lightweight. Many of the boxing people in power love Mosley. They hate Mayweather and may just give him an undeserved defeat. I think Mayweather should win easily but will he get the decision? I don't know fo' sure!
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 10:55:53 PM
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ali @ Smiley C:
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When Mosley came into the ring after Mayweather fight with Marquez he look a hellva lot bigger then Mayweather so I do think Mosley is the bigger man. Mosley has had alot more fight as a welterweight and Jr middleweight then Mayweather so he is the bigger man...So now Mayweather is picking on a bigger man what do u hater have to say about that.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 11:19:04 PM
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steve:
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FLOYD IS SO DAMN SCARRED RYT NOW...
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 11:20:47 PM
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lex_fugitive:
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Mosley twice refused to fight Mayweather, in 99 and 06. Now he's old and wants tow big paydays before he retires. First he called out Manny offering to go down to 143 and give Manny a 60/40 split, but Manny had Roach tell Mosley that he was too good for Manny. And why did Mosley throw in the rematch clause if he's so confident??? Mosley threw in the rematch clause, because he knows he can't make as much money fighting anyone else, especially after he gets dominated by Mayweather. Mayweather was scared of Mayweather when he, Mosley was 28, he was afriad and ducked him again when he was 34, now even after he acted like a 5 year old with ADHD Floyd is giving him his biggest payday ever. I don't know if Mosley will want to get back in the ring with Floyd though, regardless of how much money he gets. He's going to get hurt.
Thursday Feb 11, 2010 11:36:39 PM
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Isaiah:
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Mosley didn't belong at Junior Middle as he showed getting his butt whooped by Winky Wright and as Juan Manuel Marquez obviously showed that he doesn't belong at Welterweight. Here's the thing though. Xylocaine Man and Shane Mosley are legit Welterweights no matter how you slice it. It isn't Shane's fault Mayweather feathers haven't be ruffled with the big dawgs yet. As Mayweaher would say, cluck cluck son! Remember, he also serves duck! This fight hasn't happened yet! I think Mayweather Sr must be ole MacDonald, because all you hear at their gyms is a cluck, cluck here and a quack, quack there... I don't care what any Mayweather fans say, if you use a substance that stops your hand from feeling anything when you throw a punch, that IS CHEATING! F what Nevada has to say! Mosley doesn't need PEDS and Mayweather doesn't need Xylocaine. Just get in there and fight! Mosley's bigger huh? I thought there were no pre concieved exscuses for this? What's up?
Friday Feb 12, 2010 12:06:46 AM
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El Maromero@ the Saint:
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If this fight happens I wonder who is the one that is going to make it happen. I doubt Mayweather is going to fight without random testing. I hope Manny says "FU@# IT, LETS DO THIS. BRING THE NEEDLES"
Friday Feb 12, 2010 12:08:31 AM
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Viel Mervic:
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The article is a swipe at Pacquiao. Just look at the first 3 paragraphs of the article. No names, but if you're a boxing fan, you'd be a fool not to notice where it takes an aim for. Whatever happened to Mr. Ron Borges? Columnists should be fair and unbiased, it seems he is the opposite.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 12:44:21 AM
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El Maromero:
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@ Viel. You should read Lotierzo's articles about Floyd Mayweather. He thinks the guy is not that good yet he compares him with the 10 greatest welter's of all time.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 01:02:44 AM
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"Sugar Shane" is a CBA, no doubt. If FM can beat Shane convincingly, I'll have much newfound respect for hin. As it is, I hope Shane knocks FM's @ss into tomorrow, and I know he can. Will FM stand and fight? We'll see.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Friday Feb 12, 2010 01:17:56 AM
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Ron. You still at it? Pacquiao is not afraid of needles because he agreed to blood testing but not only on Floyd's time frame. Please straighten your facts. Journalists are sworn to uphold the truth but you are distorting it! Why are you in the habit of injecting (pardon the pun) Pacman's name in your column even if the topic does not concern him? Pacman fans, stop reading this demented old man's comment because he wants only your hits. This will be the last you will hear from me.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 01:19:11 AM
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Here we are again. Ron borges, the supposed maestro of sports writing is losing a lot of artistic sense this days. He is trying to inject fears into his mind again. Fears that someday he might find out that he is no longer the same precision equipment per se of sweet boxing news writing. Retirement is looming for Ron because of this unwarranted proof-finding desire of PEDs presence in boxers this days..fear of this.. fear of that ..as he mentioned here. Ron, my advise to you, no amount of PED will change and improve your writing until you sit down and simply change your perception that just because a man doesn't want to subject himself to blood testing is guilty of PEDs, loosen yourself a bit and learn to be a forgiving person, forgive the pacfans who offended you and you'll see that you'll gain that monumental kind of sports journalism again. So far, all your articles this days need more minds than PED and no amount of PED will improve except when you put a lot of forgiving and understanding heart on it. One thing more, you know why your's no longer is effective, it's because what you have now is not from a young donor but the one that Bob discarded when he changed his to a younger one.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 01:42:01 AM
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Once again Borges proves he doesn't know his head from his ass. But then again if every time you looked in the mirror you saw two cheeks with a crack running straight down the middle either would you. This may explain why his lead (head) sentence has no relationship to it's (tail) conclusion. He claims that Shane is unafraid of Mayweather and/or being asked to prove he is no longer using PEDs. Bravo! Then he concludes by saying Shane opted not to fight the idea of coming in clean of anything but what God and training will give. May the Lord Bless this inviolate man! That fact is Shane's acceptance of terms had nothing to do with either fear nor bravery; unless you consider fear of not getting to fight on terms entirely dictated by Floyd as not being afraid. That is right. Floyd Mayweather, the paragon of boxing virtue, has dictated and controls exactly when and where Shane Mosely gets tested. Not the NSAC nor any commission. Just Floyd. Now I'm not calling Shane a coward but I will call that total capitulation to a commission of One. Nor did his acquiescence have anything to with cleaning up the sport. It had to do with short term self interest. And here I have no problem whatsoever. If Shane wants to fight Floyd Mayweather, he must submit to Mayweather's terms. And, as I've said before, for that kind of money Shane would fight with a catheter hanging from his business and checked between rounds by Floyd Sr... if that is what Floyd demanded. It has nothing to do with Borges conclusion of 'not fighting the idea of coming clean' (a double negative) and setting a standard for others in boxing. It has to do with Shane's opportunity to make beaucoup money. As for Floyd, Let's not even go there. He had 40 fights, none of which he has lost. Forty...and never once did he demand a higher form of testing. Not even a peep. And Floyd loves to hear himself talk. So Ron, your conclusion that we have two great champions leading the way to the light above is your mistake. But hey, if it fits your agenda, I can live with that as well. Just do us a favor be upfront. Or should I say 'Clean'.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 01:47:50 AM
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no need to get mad,... just get even,.. Pac should have taken the test and proved his greatness in the ring... soon blood testing will become mandatory anyway... maybe not tommorrow but soon,.. there was a time when women couldn't vote or join the army,... there was a time when it was illegal to form a union,..(in fact a battle was fought over the concept in the state of Virginia which left many men dead),... there was time when fights were 15 rounds instead of 12,.. status quo and tradition are meant to be broken for the sake of progress... which can never be denied. Shane wanted the fight enough to make the fight happen,..so he agreed to the terms for the opportunity to defeat Floyd,.. a goal which unfortunately wasn't a priority for Pac...
Friday Feb 12, 2010 02:04:47 AM
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I hear Floyd's next opponent will be strawweight all time great Ricardo Lopez! It doesn't matter how old the guy is because "legacy don't pay the bills!" Yey! Random blood tests all day everyday for everybody because I have nothing better to do with my $50 dollars than waste it on weakened or mentally/physically distracted fighters! Legacy don't pay the bills! May as well, rob the public of fighters at their best!
Friday Feb 12, 2010 02:31:52 AM
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I see now ! This is altruism, not self interest. And so when Floyd Sr said unto Floyd, "Be strong my son and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid". And Floyd Jr then called unto Mosely, and said unto him in the sight of all the gold and glory of Israel, "Be strong and of a good courage Shane, for thou must go with these (testing) people unto the land which the Lord, my father, hath sworn unto me" and that you will give blood. So Floyd was doing the Lord's work. Reminds me of another prominent fellow who said the same thing recently: Lloyd Blankfein, head of Golman Sachs. When asked if he thought his compensation as a banker was fair, his answer was similar. He said they are doing God's work. God bless the Mayweather's. Where would we be without them.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 02:39:26 AM
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Isaiah:
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I don't think Floyd can fight Shane Mosley. I hear Scareweather is on a "SUGAR" free diet.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 06:04:38 AM
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Isaiah:
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Borderline blasphemy Fe'Roz, but that was still pretty funny man. I take it with a grain of salt. I wouldn't be suprised if the Mayweather's really thought of themselves like that. Have a good one man. GOD bless.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 06:09:28 AM
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Pretty vs. Sugar..that's some pretty good sugar.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 06:46:56 AM
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DRMULLEN :
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They wanted to inject needles in Manny more times than a Junkie in a dark alley-way. Screw that.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 06:50:57 AM
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"Once again Borges proves he doesn't know his head from his ass."............................................dude, what was that, man? I told ya before, you're good reader, but when it comes to Floyd, damn man, you lose it. I understand how you gonna fell when you read this but Floyd is doin' good in bringin' that blood testin' stuff. Yes I know: you and 95% of the World hate him and don't think he's in the position to say how the sport should work, basically cuz of his persona, and it's suppoed to be a Commission that dictate the terms, but one boxer, much less this brash dude, but please man, be logical. If the Nevada State Athletic (so-called) Commission was cheated many times (And on top of that by the man he's gonna face), and when we all know urine tests do NOT detect plenty of stuff out there, and when Pacquiao camp have been involved with people who worked with PEDs, don't you think it's more than convenient to bring this stuff? C'mon, man; think about it! USADA drug testin' may not be 100% perfect, but it's lightyears more sophisticated than those used in Las Vegas. In general, not just in sports, if the authorities doesn't do their job rightfully, then one has to do by oneself. I'm sorry, but Pacquiao's refusal to take tests brought plenty of questions. And finally: yes, I think Borges' conclusion of two great Champions are in the light: one that is the #1 Welterweight in the World, that the Pacquiao world preferred million times than Clottey, and another that everybody's been ACHIN' to see destroyed, and still considered by some as the #1 P4P (Not me though, but close). Just my opinion, man. I've mad respect for you. Peace!
Friday Feb 12, 2010 08:44:29 AM
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SALT lover:
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* I understand how you gonna FEEL (not fell, Hehehehehe, my bad)
Friday Feb 12, 2010 08:45:15 AM
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SALT lover:
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*it's supposed to be a Commission that dictate the terms, NOT one boxer
Friday Feb 12, 2010 08:51:53 AM
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I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.... I'm not a Mayweather fan but I applaud all the way to elevate the degree of drug testing to make it fair for the athletes. Just imagine if there were solid proof that Margarito and Pacquiao cheated Cotto... who then would be the P4P fighter in the world being undefeated still and having face the competition that Cotto has faced???? See... the history gets twisted as it got twisted against Roger Maris who passed through hell to brake Babe Ruth's record and then a JUNKIE like Mark McGwire shows up to screw history. After the Balco !@#$ every sport in the business should fix the politics on drug testing and take it to the most higher standards. It is scary SH*T in boxing because we are talking about life and detah here. Now every Pacman fan CAN TRY... AND TRY... AND TRY.... to swallow Manny's excuse but truth is it smells fishy... to writers, to OBJECTIVE fans, to commisions and even Victor Conte, the master cheater.... he knows what he talks about. BUT DON'T WORRY... I MEAN, PACQUIAO IS CLEAN... RIGHT?? HE IS JUST AFRAID OF NEEDLES, THAT'S ALL.... THAT'S WHAT HE SAID??? OR IT WAS SOMETHING AROUND THAT TESTING TOO CLOSE TO THE FIGHT WILL TAKE STRENGTH FROM HIM... OHHHH WHAT THE HECK.. WHATEVER HE SAYS IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR US THE FANS.. I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PACQUIAO... SO EVERYBODY SHOULD TAKE HIS WORD FOR GOOD... SO WHY THINK AND HAVE AN OPINION???... JUST TRUST MANNY.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 09:32:55 AM
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Objectivity requires evidence - unbiased attention to facts. Justice requires that no one can be charged with a crime or forced to defend his innocence without sufficient evidence. If I hated Pac and thought he sucked, or if I had no interest in boxing, I would defend the principles just the same. I would defend Floyd just the same - the standard is the standard, and someone thinking they smell fish just isn't good enough, except in paranoid fascist states where any whispery suspicion is enough to get someone banished or killed. I'm in favor of a higher standard of testing too - but not enforced by one guy trying to gain a power position. Have the governing bodies make it regulation, and you won't have the problem. These are basic principles of logic and justice, and they are better than the fish-odor-and-gossip principle. Until then, Pac is as clean as any champion - unless they're all suspect (COMMIES!), and Margarito is guilty because of actual, verified evidence. Though I know some question that evidence.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 09:46:47 AM
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Anony:
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FOR THE RECORD... I believe Floyd will win this fight. Mosley only opportunity is to KO the girl between two rounds. The problem with Floyd is that he is really good and after two or three rounds he knows how to deal with his opponent and as every round goes by he gets confident and start controlling more. In this case Mosley or any other fighter should take "the fear" advantage from Floyd at the beginning of the fight. Paul Williams for example could crush Floyd in one or two rounds with those long arms and war attitude. Cotto too could do the damage to Floyd if he starts strong - but he doesn't like to do that, he is a progressive boxer, as it Shane. Floyd by decision on this one.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 10:04:09 AM
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If Mosley intends to beat Mayweather, he needs to jab him and keep Floyd on the defensive much like Oscar tried to do but ran out of steam. Shane hasnt any stamina problems like Oscar and his jab is faster and has more power than Oscar's.
Mosley should test Mayweather because he is 1 of only 2 fighters FLoyd has fought with about the same handspeed and accuracy.
Zab Judah was one and he really troubled Mayweather until he got tired.
Shane is probably the hardest puncher,speediest and most accurate fighter Floyd has fought to date.
Shane by UD if he utilises his jab and pressure Mayweather.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 10:38:28 AM
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in touch:
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Ron Borges, every time you write an article, half of the readers think you are an idiot. this must say something to you.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 12:04:03 PM
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mortcola@in touch:
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Yes. Not that we disagree with your opinion. I disagree with Frank L often. Its that this half of us are offended by bad thinking, writing, and journalism.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 12:16:26 PM
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mortcola@in touch:
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I mean yes to you. And its not that we disagree with Borges' opinion, but....
Friday Feb 12, 2010 01:33:44 PM
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Borges is delusional if he truly believes Mosley has a chance in this "fight". He is clearly at the tail end of his career & does not have anything close to the hand speed, skill, or brute power to overcome P'Boy. He brags about not being hit by Margarita, (ask Paul Williams about this), but P'Boy will simply land enough on him to rack up points & force him in the late rounds to take more chances & drop his hands. LISTEN TO ME Mosley has absolutely no chance to win the "biggest fight of the year to date " & frankly I am embarassed that a guy from my own home town could post such malarkey
Friday Feb 12, 2010 02:40:35 PM
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brownsugar **Biblical Proportions:
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I'm seeing some comments on this topic that are close are approaching biblical proportions,... if you know anything about the Bible,.. then you probably heard about the prostitute who hid King David while he was on some covert manuveurs in enemy territory,.. even though she was a ho',.. she was considered righteous for her deeds,.. and her name is forever mentioned in the bible..... my point is,.. you may not Like Mayweather as a person,.. and may suspect his motivation for bringing up the testing issue in the first place,...and since Pac has many fans who believe in him,.. those individuals probably don't like hearing it from everybody else like Teddy Atlus,..Ron Borges,.. Nate Cambell,.. and Paulie Malignaggi just to name a few,.. but regardless of the source and that sources motivation was,..it's common knowlege that professional sports has been riddled with PED's since they were first invented,.. the amateur sporting world has caught up with the technology to catch cheaters,... but boxing is still in the dark ages... so no matter whether you care for Mayweather or not,.. the issue has caught fire and has taken on a life of it's own,.. and has become bigger than the Floyd/Pacman fight,..as George Foreman would say,.. the cats out the bag....
Friday Feb 12, 2010 04:10:13 PM
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@el maromero: I hope that Floyd says %$** it, forget the blood testing, I'll beat Pacquiao whether or not he's on PED's.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 04:14:15 PM
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neil:
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i dont think its a good move for mosley, the fact is he just want to clear his name even he will destroy the reputation of manny. its not fair manny is wiiling to take the test but on a legal way not on dictating the sports. lol do you think u gave a shot of injection even you dont noticing that you dont know what it is? its stupid he just want to clear his own dirt
Friday Feb 12, 2010 05:14:01 PM
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Boxing_Old_Fart:
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Mayweather Fraud boy! fraud boy! what ya gonna do? What ya gonna do when Mosley comes for you!
Fraud boy! fraud boy! what ya gonna do? What ya gonna do when Mosley comes for you!
Gooooooooooooooooooo Mosley ! $10,000 for Mosley KD in 6th.!
Friday Feb 12, 2010 06:22:15 PM
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Big Nino:
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Shane Mosley only has 5 losses because he dared to be great.He has tested himself and fought taller and bigger guys.Delahoya stayed far away from Winky Wright avoided him like the plauge it was just not a wise thing to do but Shane always felt he was the best.Verron Forrst(RIP) was to tall with a much longer reach.Cotto did not deserve the win it was at least a draw.Mayweather will run and pot shot he is afraid to mix it up with Shane because Shane will hurt Floyd to the body and can match his speed.Floyd has never faced anyone of Mosleys caliber.Mayweather is one of the best boxers we have ever seen
but Mosley and Manny are fighters they come in to mix it up and please the fans.They take chances they dare to be great.All Floyd will do is try to out point them and not get hit.He is over rated and has not been in a true war.I think he will fall to Mosley or Manny the real question is will he overcome adversity and ever become the great fighter he claims to be.Only time will tell.
Friday Feb 12, 2010 08:49:43 PM
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I haven't written this much in four years, since I kicked British Damian lying a$$. But I don't like the scuzzy huzzy tactics. They remind me of Damian talking his $hit about how great the British Empire is, and how stupid and dumb Americans are. Maybe Brownsugar has something. It was a postitute who first witness the Resurrection of Jesus. Her name was Mary Magdelene. She was a ho, who Jesus saved from getting stoned by hypocrites. "He who has not sinned, cast the first stone." All the godd*mn hyprocrites had to STFU! After Jesus was crossed out and his dead body was thrown in a cave, and the cave was shut up with a boulder, Jesus kicked death's a$$ and zapped the boulder into a thousand piece and walk the fu*k out of the cave and started preaching to his ho that he has risen from and defeated death. She ran to gossip to Jesus's Posse of disciples. They were crying and $hit, but when this Jesus ho told the disciples to STFU and be men and that the bossman has risen from the dead, they told her to go get FU*K! Doubting Thomas was ready to fu*k her up, but out of nowhere Jesus appeared and told him to STHU! Now we know the rest of the story, a BIBLE! Mayweather is trying to start a boxing Bible movement of not committing to use PED. "There should be ramdonly tested, so you won't." But this Mayweather-turned Jesus of righteousness for boxing should set the example and get off Xylocaine. He should also tell Oscar Delahoya to sign the release form to show that he used PED most than Shane Mosley. They were both juiced when the Sugarman kicke his both twice. Delahoya, Mayweather and Mosley are the three monkeys of steriods usage. But they see no evil, speak no evil or want to hear no evil about the truth of themselves fo' sure!
Friday Feb 12, 2010 10:11:49 PM
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Floyd UD all day in the paint. Boxes circles around Mosley an all the haters in here will look more desperate and more looney toons. Anybody think Floyd is scared of Mosley don't know boxing or haven't been doing their homework. This is the best fight for the $$$ since the Pac fight is off the table. So it's going to happen an all the talk an clown $#!t the naysayers come up with won't mean nothing. Floyd is making a lot of people eat their words by taking this fight in the first place, but you know...when you on top they got to talk about you. When they stop hating on you then you worry. The wind blows hardest at the top of the mountain. John Thompson told me that. It's easy for somebody to throw salt when they aint never won anything in their life. So keep doing what you do Floyd. What most fail to understand is how much balls it takes to get in the squared jungle in the first place. Like I said ...a lot of these cats in here don't know their @$$hole from a hole in the wall, let alone boxing. Their level of TSS IQ hasn't reached that level to understand pure boxing technique and skills. Reminds me of how I was over a decade ago when all I wanted to see was wars ...toe to toe in the middle of the ring. That's cool but that's only 1 degree of boxing. Like my man said, he wants to leave the game with all his faculties in tact an a load of cash. Can you blame him? I won't. Play the game don't let it plAY YOU! Bob Arum don't like Floyd because Floyd wouldn't bend over. Don King said you don't get what you're worth, you get what you negotiate. Floyd understood and made Ooodles more $$$ then he would've under Arum. Floyd talks sh!t, it's called promoting! He backs it up it's called delivering. I remember when Sweet Pea used to get so low it's like he was sitting down, and he could spin his man and hit them with a hook standing behind them. Toying with his competition, too sharp. That's when I really got introduced to slickness, sharpness, pure boxing, The Sweet Science. These things help you overcome a style that gives you problems, hit and not get hit, or if you do get hit don't get hit clean. Rolling punches and take the steam off of them, etc. Angles, distances, pot-shoting, fighting in the pocket, geting off first and smothering. Clinching to frustrate your oppening or break their momentum if they start getting in rythm. Movement, ring generalship, dictating the pace of the fight, even the crafty vet moves, borderline illegal or illegal stuff that you can pull because you can work the ref. Like when Hopkins kept hitting Tito on the hip to kill that leg, so when he dipped to load that hook he aint have as much springs. Truly beautiful things in side The Universe called TSS that most don't comprehend yet. I look forward to seeing an appreciate all these things. Some of you should to. Dueces
Friday Feb 12, 2010 10:51:05 PM
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That was some damn good writing homie moving up my p4p I would have to say your in my top 3 no doubt
Friday Feb 12, 2010 11:29:09 PM
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arb:
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Ron, everything is in Bob's control if he really wants pacquaio to do it. But... test yours and you'll find out that that was Bob's when he changed his to a younger one from a younger donor and you ain't lucky, you've got what he discarded.
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 04:37:18 AM
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brownsugar:
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it's tight,.. but it's right..
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 06:24:57 AM
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brownsugar:
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People who have just jumped on the hater bandwagon,.. know very little about Floyd,.. just followers joining the crowd,.. have no idea what Floyd is capable of in the ring,.. even though his skills may not be what they were at 130lbs,.. he's still got plenty of spark left...and unlike Roy Jones,.. his abilities are built apon sound boxing fundamentals,.. the very Technology of boxing itself,.. so he still has layers of degrees of skill to work with like layers of an onion,..should have seen him defeat the Cuban at the Olympics,.. the first American fighter to defeat a Cuban in 21 years,... he was robbed in the finals but still got the bronze,.. even in the amateurs he fought with the same style...the guy had pro-style ability while he was still a kid,.. phenomenal...anyway,.. still a good ways off,.. I'm sure it'll get real interesting before the fight...
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 06:44:20 AM
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Great post. I have to sound in as one of those down on Floyd. You'll notice I always gave props to Floyd's incredible skill. And when people have attacked fighters I'm up on for being "scared" (Cotto, for example), my first thought is, how do you think this fighter got to be at the top of the heep to begin with? Two main things disqualify fighters before they ever get past their local golden gloves - beaten by fear, and can't take the pain/punch. That's not counting "no talent" and "out of shape". If you get in the ring enough times to get to a maybe an undercard, you have at least learned to handle fear and anxiety. Floyd, like most top fighters, is both highly experienced and arrogant to a degree. And he, like those not quite as fiercely skilled as him, is quite at home in the ring. Fighters with too much anxiety do not apply their skills with the precision it takes to win under pressure. Floyd's ring style is all about applying his particular skills and mentality (ring general, counterpuncher) the most effective way, not because he's saying "please don't hit me!". Those who think fighters think the latter way just don't have any idea what it is to get in the ring thousands of times. That being said, Floyd's style in relating to the boxing world, opponents, press, business negotiations, etc, is one of extreme minimization of risk, fighting as little as possible, with as much bragging and posturing as possible, as though he is above the sport he is, strangely, the best at. If Floyd has a fear, and I'm sorry if its psycho-babble to some, its having his ego-bubble popped. I honestly don't think he's afraid of punches. I think he's afraid of loss, afraid of being only ONE of the best, or a former great. Lots of talent, lots of loss in the Mayweather family. Roger was a great fighter always one tap to the chin away from losing. Floyd Sr. was championship level but lost to reality, to crime and violence and drugs. Jeff was a dedicated fighter, clean but without the level of skill his relatives possessed. Its on Floyd to never leave the pedestal. Honestly, its a family dynamics problem! He's their redeemer. Too much pressure. If it was just about fighting, I bet he'd be in there a lot more, because he seems much more at home when he's fighting than when he's talking, confronting other fighters, fronting with his money, his bling, etc. That's when he comes across as (poorly) acting the part of a thin-skinned little king. Full of BS. In the ring, he's at home, but its too complicated to get there but once a year, with controversy every f-ing time.
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 09:48:28 AM
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Quote from Teddy Atlas: "I think Pacquiao has a little bit of optical illusion there. I got to put a qualifier on it like buyer beware. Just remember that his last three fights that we are all going ga, ga over has probably projected him to the point that in people’s minds as pound for pound the top guy. Pacquiao is NOT the top guy. Those fights can be very, very, misleading and that’s what I mean by an optical illusion. Let’s face it, De La Hoya
was probably a dead man, taking nothing away from Pacquiao he and Freddie Roach knew this and he did what he had to do. De La Hoya is a guy who never won the big fights; he always found a way to come up short, always in the big fights. It’s could be that he came down in weight too much combined with his lack of character in big fights. I don’t know, but I do know that we shouldn’t get carried away with that win. It should be understood that with the Hatton fight that he was made to order for this guy. I know Pacquiao did a job on him. But quite honestly, Hatton is the kind of guy that if you have some ability he will crack a little bit if you’re professional enough that you have a simple game plan of setting your feet and punching the last three feet, you can get him. Hatton just doesn’t know how to fight, I hate to say that but obviously he didn’t learn from Mayweather how to fight. He has that flaw where when he cocks his hand back there is a big hole in the middle, if you have some ability to punch with him, you can not miss him, you can’t miss him, and it will be there every day and twice on Sunday. You can count on that and there is very few things in life that you can count on but this is one. Cotto was beaten by the scale and not Pacquiao. Before we go ga, ga, and anoint Pacquiao the greatest flyweight, or featherweight or whatever weight he is now, of all time, we shouldn’t be doing it from those two fights. Let’s stay real and not get dizzy over those last three fights.
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 01:01:10 PM
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great post man! we need to make a post of readers not knowing there @sshole from a hole in the wall. SMILEY C would be my alltime great! the sorry @ss B*&ch Coward! that was a great post! they wanna talk like they know boxing but they can never teach anyone jack SH&T!!
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 01:05:45 PM
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.Good writing Real talk, I agree with you, i still got to with my heart and root for my ted greene little league teamate from north side pomona. it's nice to get on this site and read all good writing from all the regulars originall tss posters. Mayweather is got too many skills for mosley and most likely any other boxer out there around the welter weight division
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 06:10:20 PM
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Besides in the battle of steroid users, I'm going for Mayweather. I just hope that the judges are straight fo' sure!
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 06:25:20 PM
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Shotout to B-Sug, Ali, Mortcola,Kountedout, and Riverside. @ insideinformation, I thought about those things and they have to be considered. I want to see Pacman fight a legit welter on even terms, not protected by the scales and weight clauses. This is the business of boxing and team Pac has to do whatever they can to get an advantage. I won't knock them for that. They have to protect their asset an interest. I see things clearly because I like both fighters and respect boths figh game. I think Clottey has been slowing down for about 2 years now and comes up small in big fights like Tony Romo does in big games. Let's cross our fingers that he makes it interseting. I can't stand here and tell you Clottey is coming to win with conviction. To me he seems like a stepping stone. We know who the cash cow and prize bull is at Top Rank. Dueces
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 08:49:30 PM
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Fe'Roz @ insideinformation:
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I agree. Let's stay real when we judge Manny by his last three fights. But be sure to use the same standard when judging Floyd ... or any other fighter for that matter. As for the last two however, Manny beat .... or should I say annihilated.... Ricky Hatton at Hatton's own weight where he reigned undefeated. Then he went Up to meet Cotto. Floyd beat Ricky at 147; a weight where Hatton was a miserable failure. Then he beat JMM at a 'catch' weight of his own choosing. And then decided to add on a couple more pounds for good measure. So, I'm all for not getting too dizzy about Manny's last two outings. Hatton and Cotto were left 'dizzy' enough. But in all due respect, please do as you ask .... and don't try to get our heads to spin at Floyd's last two fights either. One last thing. I have mad respect for Teddy Atlas's ability to analyze and articulate. But without any facts whatsoever, he's be better not to speculate. And so would you.
Saturday Feb 13, 2010 11:58:57 PM
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mortcola:
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We need to stay on planet Earth in general. Manny is not a god. Floyd is not the invisible man. All fights have some sort of flaw that keeps them from being Clash of the Titans. Someone ate some bad clams, or got separated from their wife. Ali had the draft, not enough time to train. No one liked Foreman's dogs. Jim Braddock went hungry to feed his kids, then had to eat hash in the dressing room like a dog (that was the movie, I know). But Fe'Roz is on the money. Our commentators, even the best ones are there to shine laser lights on news angles. Atlas is a fine analyst and trainer, but he's a career exaggerator. He loves to get dramatic. And the real story is that these were all legit fights with little angles to them that the naysayers like to pick on. How many disgraced angels can dance topless on the head of a hypodermic needle? Let's get back to reality.
Sunday Feb 14, 2010 10:09:47 AM
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Eastar:
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Pacgirl may not be afraid of needles but he is afraid of Floyd... Good article, Ron!
Sunday Feb 14, 2010 04:12:38 PM
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RED:
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This issue has been visited, revisited and turned over many times. Shane won the boxing lottery when Floyd decided to send his fight with Manny into slander oblivion. Of course Shane doesn't need PEDs to beat Floyd. That's because the most likely scenario is that that Floyd would beat today's Shane whether the latter uses PEDs or not. The quicker, more accurate and more defensively proficient fighter will win. That fighter is not Shane Mosely. Oh, youth also helps. That's not Shane either. But, as I've stated many times, Shane wanted this fight (and would have taken it no matter the demands made by Floyd) because only a lobotomized monkey wouldn't.
Sunday Feb 14, 2010 04:34:31 PM
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Mountain God:
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Mega match my mule, this is going to be a hugging match and people will be pissed off they paid for it . Floyd is the coward look at his latest comments that more blood testing. it 's obivious your boxing saviour KFC is still crapping in his sleep about facing MANNY and still puttiing up more shields not face him "the best" what a joke
Sunday Feb 14, 2010 06:48:09 PM
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Isaiah:
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Naw, Floyd Mayweather is just afraid to fight Pacquiao without Xylocaine and coming in overweight. Buck, buck, son.
Sunday Feb 14, 2010 07:55:11 PM
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Nwhalifax:
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It's funny how Shane says in all these interviews how he's fought all these challenging fights and loves to challenge himself and this and that, but he (nor Mayweather, Pacquiao, or Cotto for that matter) will get in the ring with Paul Williams.
Tuesday Feb 16, 2010 07:17:51 PM
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Is it my imagination or did Radam G change his name to "The Saint" The meter and writing style as well as his unusual insight are eerily similar. No insult, both are very succinct and verbose. Back to Floyd vs SSM. Floyd wins this one by UD taking 7 of the last 8 rounds, with Shane taking the first 4 and round 12 in a very technical, Money May dominated fight. This will not be a very exciting fight to watch unless one enjoys Floyds's defensive mastery. I can wish all day long for Shane to catch Floyd, but it aint gioin to happen!
Thursday Feb 18, 2010 05:46:49 AM
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Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather UD over Sugar Shane Mosley in a tough fight. Shows the world once again a display of skills and greatness in the ring that you'd be hardpressed to find from another fighter in recent memory. I predict more Alum will finally see things for what they are and give credit where it's due. Dueces
Thursday Feb 18, 2010 07:33:02 PM
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I doubt that very seriously...LOL Dueces
Thursday Feb 18, 2010 07:34:06 PM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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