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Valero Makes DeMarco Corner Throw In The Towel
By Michael Woods
Edwin Valero's reputation hasn't blossomed quite like many thought it would as he amassed KO1s in the first part of his career and even after he won super feather and lightweight crowns. Much of that falls in his lap, as he fought away from the US, and took on subpar and faded foes in his defenses. But Valero went a ways towards bolstering his buzz with a Technical KO win over Antonio DeMarco at the Monterrey Arena in Monterrey, Mexico on Saturday night.
The WBC lightweight champion destroyed the will of the 24-year old DeMarco, who figured he'd weather an early Valero storm and then click into gear. It never clicked for DeMarco, though it looked like it might when an errant elbow opened up a vicious gash on Valero. But the champ shrugged that off, and showed a knack for pugilism that many thought he didn't possess. After nine rounds in the main event of a Showtime broadcast, the DeMarco corner knew it was a matter of time before their kid was going to get dropped and stopped, so they waved the white flag of surrender.
Valero (now 27-0; from Venezuela, lives in Vegas) weighed 135 pounds , while DeMarco (from Mexico) was 135 as well.
DeMarco's jab opened a cut in the first, and a mega slice gushed in round two. The ref had the doc look at the wound, which looked like it had been caused by a mini machete. An accidental elbow, like something Kenny Florian might've thrown on purpose, actually did the damage. If the doc had halted the clash no one would've been surprised, as you could see the serial number on Valero's skull. Valero didn't shrink--he fought more furiously, but DeMarco, who did get a point deducted for the infraction, stayed pretty cool and dialed in. Maybe he'd get into those middle rounds, maybe Valero would get frustrated if he didn't get his way...
In the third, DeMarco backed up, but made sure he didn't get hung up on the ropes or in a corner. But Valero, with the cut on his right eye dripping as well, did score with his power left, and the challenger seemed to shrug them off with relative ease. Would that continue? Not so much..he buckled a bit in the fourth.
We saw the judges' scores, as per WBC rules, so viewers and those in the arena knew that the arbiters had Valero ahead through four. The score was piped over the PA with a minute left in the fifth, and DeMarco dialed it up in the remaining time. In the sixth, Valero ate a right hook, as DeMarco realized that he didn't have all night to make an impression. But that wasn't enough to take the round. In the seventh, Valero was in control. He isn't just a wildman banger; yes, he keeps his hands low, but he has better footwork than he's given credit for. In the eighth, Valero put together punches in bunches, got in, got off and got going smartly. The DeMarco corner contemplated pulling the plug after the eighth. He looked gassed, and after the ninth, he didn't protest when his corner said No Mas. To be really honest, DeMarco getting this shot was the product of skillful management, but he needs more seasoning before he gets such an opportunity again. His lack of experience is the only thing that detracts slightly from the impressiveness of the winner's outing.
In the TV opener pitting two free swingers, Argentine Luis Carlos Abregu (now 28-0; age 27) took the decision from Richard Gutierrez (24-4-1) in a welterweight tenner. Ab was down in the second, Gutierrez in the third, and it looked like this thing would never reach ten. Abregu is a rough diamond who has been brought along smartly; he's No. 6 in the WBC.
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DaveB:
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I was really impressed with Valero. I didn't think he was going to win. His defensive abilities reminded me of Roberto Duran. Valero throws arm punches but they seem to be effective probably because he throws them in bunches. I like they way he steps back and makes the other guy miss. He put in a really gutsy performance especially after getting the gash, which was really angry. He didn't panic but fought with urgency and then settled back down and into the fight. I thought he would be just a slugger and would not have an option B. He has really good skills. He made DeMarco quit, you could see it all over his face in the preceding round. He thought he would weather the early storm and pick up in the fight late. He had no answer when the storm kept coming. I would like to see Valero fight JMM. Very good and entertaining fight.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 01:38:31 AM
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My sentiments exactly DaveB. I was very impressed with what I saw from Valero. That gash was fierce. Alot ofighters would have opted out. I think Valero would KO JMM. The dude is more than just a slugger. We have a new star in the fight game.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 02:08:08 AM
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JohnH:
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The conventional wisdom suggested that DeMarco was the slick boxer and Valero was the raw brawler. Well, tonight Valero showed the world that he is much more than a raw brawler but rather a fighter with a tool box of diverse skills that he put on display tonight. I saw improved defense, double jabs, slipping, unknown toughness and grit.
I love to see a fighter encounter some different forms of adversity. It allows us to what they are made of. A number of fighters would have folded or explode into full-scale panic after suffering that horrible cut to the forehead. I like the way Valero's corner calmed their charge down and Valero went to work. he didn't allow the cut to bother him two much because after round 6 he just settled into his game. Throwing combinations after combinations, but I would like to see more body work.
I like the way he paced himself and showed patience as he broke down DeMarco. Now, people will say he didn't score the knockout and my reply is okay, but he was better for it. You don't knock out everyone. World-call fighters don't go easy and DeMarco possesses a sound chin, pride and he looked to me like "I am not going to get knocked out in front of my people. I may get beaten up but I am not going to go down."
Still, Valero took his soul and to a certain degree his will. Round after round DeMarco was being pushed back shot after shot and punished. I could hear via "surround sound" the impact of those shots and the look the kid had on his face in his corner after round 8 told us everything we needed to know: " He's too strong!"
Clearly, Valero is another class of fighter. Class A! He reduced DeMarco to sparring-partner status. This is not a knock on DeMarco, who is a fine young fighter and who may gone to greats things if doen't after fight that monster again.
Now, what's next for Valero?
Hopefully, bigger fights, earned glory, more exposure, and big PPV mega-fight events with the best fighters in the 130, 135 and even 140 weight classes.
The lightweight division has been served notice. There is a new player in town.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 02:55:05 AM
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brownsugar:
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bring on JMM or the BAby Bull... Valero surprised me,. he stepped back from a lot of punches... JMM should ditch the Amir Khan fight,... he cannot win.. but against Valero he'd get my Dollars on a bet to Ko the Argentine Phenom....
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:42:55 AM
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Mike M:
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Valero is a must see fighter in my book. He has that charisma and dude is looking to put hurt on you from start to finish. He has some subtle defensive skills and like Bernstein pointed out he steps back after throwing his shots to get out of range. He is explosive but measured at times. A fight with Pacquaio would be great but only the hardcore fans really know how good Valero is. I think Valero needs to get build more recognition in the United States and from mainstream public and maybe go after someone like Khan, Bradley, or Victor Ortiz next. Those would be some great fights also. If all works out i go see Pacman against Valero late 2011 and that would be a war for as long as it lasted. Great performance particularly after suffering those cuts. Other fighters like Ortiz, Robert Guerrero, Cintron, and Juan Diaz got real messed up when they got cut. Valero was prepared for war and it didn't faze him a bit. Valero is the real deal. Awesome show.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:54:57 AM
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oskar:
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One more fight for me to be convince against Katsidis a like wise heavy handed fighter then he can fight elites but DeMarco is a good win no doubt...
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:55:36 AM
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Mike M @ oskar:
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I forgot about Katsidis, that would be a good test for Valero as well. Katsidis is a strong pressure fighter that would be hard to keep off if you can't hurt him. Alot of good fights out there between 135 and 147 right now.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 04:06:16 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pac by TKO in 8":
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I was not sold on Valero just yet. Demarco was a young and inexperienced fighter who didn't know how to adjust. At moments it seemed like Demarco was the one fighting with urgency. He needs to learn to bait his opponents especially aggressive ones like Valero into attacking him so he can counter them. JMM would definitely be a big step up for Valero but he will not withstand the younger fighters' onslaught. The best fight for him would have to be Maidana or Bradley at 140. He looks like he can make that weight easily.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 04:10:00 AM
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El Maromero:
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dave b nailed it! Holt or JMM would be good
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 04:16:18 AM
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mortcola:
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Good call, Dave B. Valero for the first time showed another dimension- smart movement, angles, and the ability to use rolls and upper body movement to avoid counters to his hands-low swings. That being said, DeMarco was gutsy, disciplined, had a good chin....and too slow-handed to beat the quickest fighters in the division. He needs more power and rhythm, or he's a competent B-fighter. Interesting fighter, Valero.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 08:07:05 AM
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dp69 @ TSS:
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I told ya...Valero is nice...I always thought that pacquiao never wanted to fight him...Valero is very underrated...let's see valero vs jmm...@brownsugar...Valero is not from Argentina....he's from Venezuela...holla back!!!
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 08:48:15 AM
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AFN forgotten but not gone:
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Likewise I really expected Valero to be exposed in this one. Toni came to the ring glowing with confidence, and calm as you like. Valero looked tense and nervous. Valero spent a lot of his time in Japan and we never really saw that much of him, ala Linares. Last time out I wasn't impressed, he seemed really raw and with as open a defence as an opponent could wish for. BUT I was mightily impressed last night. He showed quickness both of hands and feet, moving just out of range after landing three or four punch combos, never allowing De Marco time to get a rhythm going. He showed guts, that was a slasher movie gash (or a porn movie gash, depending on what you like to watch). I wouldn't be keen to see him fight Bradley, he's only just moved to lightweight. JMM moving back down would be a great fight, or Baby Bull as another name fighter. My first choice would be Katsidas though. That would be a potential FOTY right there, and guaranteed more blood than a Frat House when the decorators are in. EL TOONOY
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 09:23:55 AM
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RED:
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I've been following Valero ever since 2006, when he established a record for victories by KO in the first round. He is the epitome of aggressiveness. His quickness and ability to power punch from unorthodox angles makes him a triple threat. It's no surprise that he's been compared to Manny Pacquiao so many times. The man is quite impressive. However, I cannot help but to note the obvious: Impressive is a term of art in boxing. Valero hasn’t faced anyone that one can truly call a legitimate, top opponent threat. When Yory Boy Campas was in his prime his record was tremendously impressive. A newspaper from Campas’ home state in Mexico even called him “the next Julio Cesar Chavez”. Then he faced Felix Trinidad (also in his prime) and Campas was demolished. Opposition, as everyone here knows, makes a significant difference. I’d like to see Valero face top opponents. Well, perhaps I should say that I’d like to see top opponents take on Valero.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 09:43:30 AM
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deepwater:
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Valero brings it. he was decapitating people in japan.valero has boxing skills and puts in on the line. he will be one to watch as long as he lasts. he would have a shot a pacman if pacman went down to 135, at 40-47 pacman by tko
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 10:06:39 AM
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mortcola:
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Valero looks good at this level. He finally learned some evasive and pacing skills, which enabled him to throw off the rhythm of a poised but not very adaptible young fighter in DeMarco. He is superficially a bit like Pacquiao - Pac Lite- but the comparison is really premature. He's much, much slower of hand and foot, doesn't punch all that well in combination (bunches are not combinations - its all about the pattern and the rhythm , which he doesn't really have, whereas Pac has jazz), and his ability to avoid the very conventional jab-cross-hook of DeMarco doesn't say much about how he'll react to a seasoned, fast-handed pro who's had a few wars. Wait and see. If he moves up, I say Bradley dissects him before he ever gets near Pac.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 10:31:17 AM
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Fe'Roz:
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I'll be watching this one later on tape but I want to say that this thread has some of TSS's finest writing intelligently abbout boxing...and it's apleasure to read. It is the forum EM intended it to be
This site has some of the greatest fans and the quality of posts non pareil. Much respect. Let's keep the hate and the nonsense down and keep TSS place to
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 10:59:20 AM
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RED@mortcola:
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I agree 100% with your observation that Valero's main flaw is lack of accuracy. He does throw frequent barrages but his success in landing is based solely on volume and not precision. The real test for him will be when he faces an opponent that can either a) avoid/defend his barrages and hit back or b) outright take his "punch bunch" style by walking through it and mount a solid offense in return. As we all know, a high output that fails to do damage turns into an issue of a fighter's stamina. What happens when you're throwing the kitchen sink at the other guy but don't land effectively or you do land a bunch and the other guy takes it?
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 12:13:25 PM
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kountedout:
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I give a lot of respect an credit to valero for over coming that big gash on his head, he kept his focus and didnt let it bother him. i did expect more from Demarco but he seemed confused at times. Demarco did take his punches well in the beginning but u can only keep taking so many. I agree donputo69 i would like to see marquez and valero. very good and interesting fight.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 12:24:06 PM
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The Watcher:
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I had seen Valero spar on 3 different occasions and always looked incredible but he isn't that impressive when he fights. He seems to be a little more cautious about getting hit which makes me wonder how he will react when he is in with somebody that can punch? If you see this guys spar, you would walk away thinking I would bet the house on this kid but not when he fights...
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 12:32:36 PM
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brownsugar:
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glad I finally got to see the determined Venezuelan(thanks DP69 too much Hennessey last night) against a solid opponent,.. most of the youtube vids show him walking straight thru guys,.. He has that throwback appearance...(reminds me of a hippie from the 70's) but he wasn't in there to toss up no peace signs,.. he fought with the measured agressiveness of man not wanting to go the distance...when he closed his mouth (in his corner after round 7) I knew he had gotten his second wind,.. in round 8 it was Demarco who couldn't keep his mouth shut,..as he began gasping for air and fading badly,.... Demarco's strategy of waiting for Valero to get winded (or at least lose intensity) played against him,.....his lack of activity put him in the hole early behind the type of fighter who was never going to fade... I loved the fight,.. would like to see more of Valero,.. I feel that JMM has the perfect style to defeat him and to make him pay for his agressiveness,.. even at 36 or 37 years old,..(but Khan will run circles around JMM) somebody mentioned Katsidis,.. another good test... glad to see that Demarco's corner saved him from further punishment,... I'm a little dissappointed in him but not too much,... when I heard the Mariachy Music playing,.. I just knew he was going to represent his people with a victory,.. but at least he went out like a warrior...
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 12:38:12 PM
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brownsugar:
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sad to see Gutierrez being used as a stepping stone again,... dude appears to have let himself go,.. he stopped shaving the cross on his chest,.. and he let his tight warrior fade grow into a fro,...and it looked like was sporting a 5 oclock shadow,.. (I hardly recognized him at first) When fighters stop keeping up their personal appearance,... you know they don't care anymore,.. hope he can earn enought money to get out the game financially and mentally intact...
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 12:47:35 PM
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the Roast:
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The deck was stacked against Valero last night. If that gash had happened in the U.S. that fight would have been stopped right there. They let the fight continue so the hometown kid could win the WBC belt. I dont think Demarco went out like a warrior at all. He quit. He did'nt want anymore. He knew thanks to that stupid open scoring that he was way behind on points and he quit. Open scoring sucks. Valero is my new hero.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 01:46:09 PM
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THAT WAS A GREAT FIGHT AND IT SHOWED THAT VALERO IS NOT JUST A BRAWLER. His defense was great as he broke De Marco little by little. It was funny to see De Marco saying "I wasn't going to quit cuase I'm a mexican fighter, my corner made me" when one round before he was already quitting and almost said it. Even the coach asked him many times what he wanted to do but he had the SHOBOX camera in his face and didn't said it. ANOTHER THING: What was that stupid comment from the SHOBOX analyst about Mayweather???? How can you compare Mayweather to Pacquiao in achievements, fame and fortune to Floyd who only brags and talks. I found that response very stupid. I do have my doubts on the PED issue (Pacman) but until then I respect Pacquiao many times over Floyd because of personnality and real boxing abilities. ANOTHER THING: When do boxers will understand the ring is no place to take their families??? Every time there is family ring side things go bloody and wrong (remember last Juanma fight?). And that is no place to watch "daddy get beat and bloody". Anyways... it was a great fight and Valero who looked like a "mad witch" with his face and hair all bloody showed us he is truly exciting to watch. Still I believe JMM could impose on him because of his experience and superb technique.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 02:14:26 PM
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Yuvie:
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Good job by Valero though I didn't see the fight. Valero vs Marquez seems to make sense at this point. Valero might not win but it could be a passing of the flag type of fight. Marquez hasn't impressed me in his last 3 fights, Casamayor & Diaz are nothing. Valero would prove to be a proper test for Marquez at lightweight. Khan at 140 would be a mis-match. Khan is too quick and too strong.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:11:34 PM
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I have to disagree about Khan. I think he would be the perfect opponent to bring against Valero. I think he would beat Valero, I'm just not sold on Khan. I also think he would beat Marquez down at this point in his career, a younger marquez might have given him the business, but what i saw in the diaz fight showed me that marquez was ripped for the taking....
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:22:38 PM
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El Maromero @ Yuvie:
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You say Juan Diaz ain't nothing, but he gave us a really entertaining fight with JMM and people want to see him fight Valero cause Diaz is a straight forward fighter that will make a good fight with Valero.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:32:30 PM
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Isaiah:
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I say that this happened excatly like I thought it would happen. Valero is all bussiness, but a little rough around the edges. By the way, forget the Mayweather/Pacquiao nonsense. Who here wouldn't pay to see Pacquiao drop back down to 140 and fight Juan Manuel Marquez for a third and final time?! Cmon! If Marquez is about done then let him go out win, lose or draw, with a bang! Someone needs to get ahold of the Pacman and make this happen! One more time! Trilogy time! The world wanted Ali/Frazier 3, Graziano/Zale 3 and Barrera/Moralles 3. You all know you want Pacquiao/Marquez 3! Let's make it happen Cap'n!
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:37:51 PM
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mortcola@Fe'Roz:
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Fe'Roz, words of wisdom, as usual. Calls for more enlightened discourse are always welcome.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:40:22 PM
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mortcola:
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Khan lacks nothing skill-wise, but a little more seasoning. Still, we don't know whether the collapsing chin in the Prescott fight is a chronic condition, or partly psychological - the youngster not ready for the hardcore hurt. Still, I see Valero having a hard time landing on Khan. If Khan's heart and chin hold up to the inevitable few landing shots, then Khan's speed, technique and accuracy will carve Valero like a roast beef. One thing that makes guys of similar boxing temperament, like Duran and Pacquiao, so effective is their speed. There's no lag time on O or D. Valero has improved, but he lacks the speed of feints and reaction time that would make his offense a good defense against the real sharpshooters of the game. Khan is definitely one of those.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:49:39 PM
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Isaiah@Misterlee:
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This is totally off topic dude, but I just read that, that Hayden girl ALREADY wants to marry Wladmer Klitshcko. Dang on! The Ukraine glass chandelier must be doing something right. You know what I'm talking about. LOL! Ole Wlad took on a knockout with a knockout of his own. That's my boy. One way or another, the Kltschkos are bringing it on. The guys want to see him in the ring and the girls want to have him wearing one. Wlad needs to just retire and let big brother handle the real business since they'll probaly never fight eachother.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 05:17:31 PM
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Frank Z:
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i'd like to see valero wipe out the lightweight division. test himself against different styles and see if he has the goods to jump around theh weights like pacquiao and beat oppoentns. bradley's way too dangerous for him at this point. i'd liek to see him take out the baby bull and then JMM.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 08:19:41 PM
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NEWV:
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id like to see VALERO destroying PAULIE M...but i know paulie wont fight him.....
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 11:18:50 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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How can you not love a man who, when presented with opportunity, not merely takes its full advantage but seizes it by the throat? Valero knew the world was watching and he put on a show. And closed it. And he did so with a cut that was every bit as gruesome as he was relentless. Not once did you see quit in his eyes. To the contrary, he fought with a fire and determination that was, in spirit, possibly even more Duran than Manny. Either way, he has my attention. And I suspect that of the boxing powers that be. This man is going to make some seriously entertaining fights and a lot of new fans doing it. Despite his walkover victory last night, there are still many unanswered questions; questions that will now find answers in the ring with some of the elite of his class and beyond. Katsidis is a great start; certainly for the fans of blood sport. Win or lose, you know Katsidis will be right there until the ending mixing it up. Personally, the fighter I would have loved to see him matched with is Dave B’s choice, JMM. Unfortunately, the JMM that is still campaigning today is not the JMM that would teach Valero what it’s like to fight a real counterpuncher who can adjust. Something DeMarco certainly was not. In fact, DeMarco was not really much of an opponent. He had one strategy; a mediocre one. He cannot adapt. He lacks true heart. His best punch was a jab. His most effective was an elbow. He never once gave Valero anything serious to think about. Not that Valero was thinking about anything other than winning. He certainly has far more skills than I was previously led to believe but it remains to be seen how good they are when he meets more experienced boxer/punchers. He’ll meet most of them one class up, at junior welter; a division stacked with both. Then we’ll get to see how good he really is. In the meantime, I’ll be dialed in.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 11:35:33 PM
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I'd love to see Valero fight Pacman sometime next year, possibly for Manny's last fight, just in time when Edwin's more polished. They've trash-talked each other in the past but I think they're pals now, (Valero went to Pac's birthday in 2008, i think). They're fiercely patriotic fighters too so it's gonna be a scorchingly hot fight.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 01:07:11 AM
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tender care:
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What ? Fight Pacquiao? Did I hear it right?......Who has he beaten?
Monday Feb 8, 2010 02:34:08 AM
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brownsugar:
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Arum says he wants Valero to fight some Jr Welters even mentioning Bradley as a possible stepping stone on the way to the welterweight division to position Valero for a welterweight fight with Pac,.. although Valero is good,.. it will take some magical promoting skills to move him past the more dangerous fights at lightweight, Jr Welter, and Welter to even get him there without a loss,.. the hype at this point is beginning to surpass the product.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 04:23:12 AM
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mortcola:
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I think Fe'Roz nails it when he talks about Valero's attitude and heart in the ring. If anything his liabilities - or, rather, his partly-formed skills - make him even more interesting. He is a born warrior, and he appears on his way to being a developed fighter (championship level skills, I mean). At very least, we're likely to see a Duran-like hunger to fight in him; also, a gentlemanly respect for his opponent. How far his skills can go, who knows? But he's good enough to make any fight a tactically interesting one - the destroyer who can go subtle on you if he needs to. And, no matter how you slice it, that kind of class in a balls-to-the-wall warrior is one of the things that makes me so passionate about boxing after all these decades. Not just a crazed hunger to do damage, but the embrace of the whole art, the whole ritual - no compromises. See, that's what I love about Pac - and Hagler, the Duran who added sleight of hand to his brutality, and two years worth of Tyson, and Frazier, and Arguello, and Chavez, and even the Holmes who got off the deck to beat Shavers and then kick his a$$ again next year. A few fighters today have that whole-soul dedication. Fewer have that level of skill, whatever their style might be. Even Duran's mythical no-mas - some guys just blindly, stupidly keep trying to kill. But they say the exception proves the rule: for a conscious person to fail and then come back to dominate means more than just "dog" - it means mastering what once beat you down. Mindless bloodlust is easy. Badgers have it. Intelligent, committed warfare is art.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 09:01:11 AM
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Fe'Roz :
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Sugar and Spice have added the final ingredients to this developing story. Mortcola, I'll have more time to consider a more appropriate moniker (after all, you were my early nominee for 2010 ROTY) but for now the subtle flavors you have been added recently make this one applicable. Brownsugar is absolutely right. Arum's promotion notwithstanding, Valero has a long way to go before he ever enters the ring with the likes of Manny. Jr. Welter alone has the mix of styles and fighters that should at the least hone Valero's skills and possibly begin to reveal his limitations. But whoever he meets, whether it be Paulie (who has skills and heart), Holt, Maidana, Khan and or Bradley, they better be prepared to fight and more. Because Valero comes to war. That said, I am thinking that he meets Maidana next, a limited Mexican fighter with power... that no one else seems interested in fighting.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 09:35:31 AM
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arnie:
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Demarco is not the barometer for a real test for Valero. He did nothing but stand there and throw some punches. I just can't see the confidence and ring generalship which he had in his previous 2 fights. In this fight, Z E R O. He is intimidated with that 26 KO record. Valero's style if it's against Marquez, bradley, even David Diaz, Nate Campbell and Pacquaio, will not last round 12. These accurate bombers will give that wide open jaw and clear punching bag a 90 % of sayonara inside 5 rounds. Just one Manila ice from Pacquiao to that open wide jaw will bring Valero to dreamland. I doubt if he'll last 2 rounds against Manny Pacquaio.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 10:51:11 AM
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SALT lover:
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FE'ROZ, Maidana is from Argentina, not Mexico.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 10:52:23 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao by TKO in the 8th":
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There are tremendous interest on Pacquiao possibly eyeing Valero as his future opponent. Would be an exciting fight but a total mismatch in my opinion. Valero is a straight forward aggressive fighter with good handspeed. The one thing Manny has very good going for him against Valero is that he is a SOUTHPAW. Manny loves facing southpaws whom he's had great success against. Valero is so open for that right hook left uppercut it's ridiculous. You'd have to be a big(Clottey) guy to really impose your size on Manny and I just don't see Valero being able to do that. Manny has way too many various of punches he has in his game for him to be very effective against Valero. But I wouldn't mind seeing that fight if it took place, just make sure you have alternate plans because it's going to be an early night for Valero.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 11:40:07 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Salt:
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Thanks Salt. Even better. Two South Americans who both need more big fight US exposure. An easy match to make considering the difficulty of getting Valero another visa to the US. Plus, as the others wait for and/or avoid these two, we know one thing for sure. Neither one of these two will back down. Or up. From each other.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 11:44:56 AM
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El Maromero@ #1pacfan:
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Come on man, we all know Manny will smash Valero. Manny shouldn't even be thinkking about Valero . I liked Valero's performance and he will make great entertaining fights because of his style. He is already 28 years old so don't expect for him to get a whole lot better but he will be dangerous to many fighters around his weight.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 03:39:19 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao by TKO in the 8th":
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El Maromero, IMO that fight will never happen unless a scenario like Manny having retired and comes back because he misses the sport. Manny would have to be way past his prime having gone through lots of wars with his opponents while Valero becomes a household name. Manny's focus should only be on Welterweight to natural Jr. Welterweight guys.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 04:29:30 PM
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Isaiah:
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Manny Pacquiao would beat Valero senseless, but Manny should be focusing on the weight class he's in and most importantly of all, NOT be looking past Joshua Clottey. That's not a man you take lightly. Afterwards, Manny needs to still be looking at the winner of Mosley/Mayweather. What happened to Misterlee's response to me Editor Mike? I just saw it the other day.
Monday Feb 8, 2010 07:40:48 PM
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xAUGUSTUSx:
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It's no coming out party to me fools. I've been educating you idiots about Valero for years. It's more like my coming out party. I've provin all you fools wrong time and time again. You idiots are the ones that don't understand the sport. For 7 years you all told me Valero was a bum and that I did'nt understand boxing. Samething you idiots said about Abraham. I told you clowns about him back before he fought Ikeke. but again you said I did'nt understand the sport. All you so called fans and these so called writers on these sites just act as if I have no knowledge of the sport. Then you write my posts as if it were your idea. So far Boxingscene, Fighthype, ESB, Boxingtalk and more have all stole my knowledge from the forums to put on there websites. I personally feel like I'm the only person that truly understands the sport. I'm done educating you clowns.
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010 03:16:18 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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