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Hopkins-Jones II: There's No Demand For It
By Frank Lotierzo
As most boxing fans know by now the rematch between Bernard Hopkins 50-5-1 (32) and Roy Jones 54-6 (40) is officially scheduled to take place April 3rd at the Mandalay Bay Resort Casino in Las Vegas Nevada. Luckily for Bernard and Roy there are still plenty of Hopkins and Jones fans still around, but even at that there's not much interest in this bout.
The rematch between Hopkins and Jones has been bantered about ever since Jones won a 12-round unanimous decision over Hopkins 17 years ago. The problem was they couldn't agree on the dollars and cents part of the deal which prevented them from getting together again in the years following their first meeting. When they agreed to fight a rematch late last year, the pilot for the promotion was supposed to begin with them fighting and presumably winning their last bout on December 2nd. Hopkins kept up his end of the deal by winning a lopsided decision over Enrique Ornelas in a light-heavyweight bout in his hometown of Philadelphia. Earlier that day Jones was dropped and stopped by Danny Green of Australia in the first round.
Generally speaking, a guy getting knocked out in the first round of his previous fight by someone who doesn't have a high profile isn't exactly a good promo for a PPV bout. Once the result of Jones fight with Green got out, it was assumed by an overwhelming majority of boxing fans with the exception of Bernard Hopkins, that the purposed rematch between them was dead.
After learning Jones lost in the first round against Green, Hopkins said, "how did he lose? It's the way that you lose. Jones lost on his feet, not on his back. I don't think the ref should have stopped the fight. When you have someone like Roy Jones Jr., he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Calzaghe had him hurt worse than that, but they didn't stop that fight. I think I can still fight him." Something Hopkins had a hard time keeping a straight face while saying in the ring immediately after his decision over Ornelas was announced.
Wrong, Bernard. Based on Roy's showing over the last five or six years of his career, referee Howard John Foster saved him from taking more unnecessary punishment while Green was unloading on him without anything in return from Jones. The 41 year old Jones was knocked out in a very devastating fashion by Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson in three of his last five defeats and took the worse beating of his career versus Joe Calzaghe 13 months before fighting Green.
Jones is finished as a fighter physically and mentally. And in addition to that he has no punch resistance.
Hopkins said, "a rematch with Roy has been in the back of my mind for a long time and it's finally going to happen. I have accomplished a lot in my career since that night in Washington, DC in 1993, and I am going to end this thing between me and Roy once and for all."
Obviously Hopkins wants to redeem himself against Jones. But Roy even at 41, still holds the advantage in hand speed and fights a style that bothers the 45 year-old Hopkins. Jones will force Hopkins to chase him down, which is not Hopkins at his best. Roy is very susceptible to aggressive fighters, especially who can punch. Only that's not who Hopkins is as a fighter. I believe Jones will enter the ring to fight Hopkins more confident than he was in some of his previous defeats. But will it matter?
Jones said, "we're giving the fans what they want to see. They deserve this fight and why not supply the fans with what they demand? Now I can finally terminate the Executioner once and for all. My new nickname for this fight will be - The Terminator."
Is Roy really serious with his suggestion this is the fight boxing fans want to see or are demanding? If he is he's delusional. Hopkins can still fight at the highest level and really has never taken a beating in the ring, nor has he ever been stopped. Bernard is a technician and as he got older became more savvy and tricky. Instead of overwhelming his opponents in his forties, he takes the bullets out of their gun and dismembers them.
On the other hand Jones is like Muhammad Ali - a physical phenom who possesd once in a generation skill and speed. And like Ali he never learned boxings rudimentary basics and fundamentals. Once they lost their warp-like speed, they became hittable. With the difference being Ali had a cast-iron chin and couldn't be knocked out, whereas Jones is prone to being hurt and stopped without getting hit with a flush hard shot. Evidenced by the grazing shot Danny Green had him wobbling all over the place with.
Hopkins normally isn't an aggressive attacker, but there is a 10 percent purse bonus for the fighter who can win via stoppage. It's doubtful Roy will push for that knowing Bernard has a great chin and he'll only put himself at more risk of getting stopped if he tries to take the fight to Hopkins.
The names Hopkins and Jones are big, but neither Bernard or Roy can fight for a complete round at this stage of their career. Hopkins hasn't won by stoppage since he put Oscar De La Hoya away with a body shot six years ago. And Jones hasn't looked impressive since he outboxed John Ruiz seven years ago.
Nobody wants to see Hopkins-Jones II in the year 2010, especially if they have to pay for it. The fight makes more sense for Hopkins because a win evens the score for him versus Jones. But he also risk going from one of the most relevant fighters on the scene (after beating Tarver and Pavlik) to an oldies act in one fight. Whereas Roy risk his final impression to boxing fans as being counted out or having to be rescued by the referee again.
Hopkins-Jones II is slightly more compelling than Holmes-Weaver II was. And there's no demand for it by anyone not named Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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donputo69:
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ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!! wake my @$$ up when is over...holla back!!!
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 07:30:51 PM
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arturo:
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i wouldnt pay for it and unless you pay for it you aint gonna see it cuz even though the promotion is through an arm of the hbo brand they aint sending any of their announce team and there aint no replay the next week...id rather pay to watch tyson world tour part 2 where they both wear tshirts and bring corey sanders back again...good for hbo glad they took a stand against this trash...hope that jones gets knocked out real bad so he goes away for good he shouldnt be licensed...bhop is a joke he is overrated and wont fight bad chad i wish hed retire...slappy joe made him yelp and cry and we all know that slappy joe was the most protected overhyped bum fighter to ever walk the globe...both bums just hope theres lots of pain on both sides so they go away for good...bhop on steroids??? you better believe it...
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 07:47:03 PM
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El Maromero:
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The name for this fight should be APRIL FOOLS
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 08:04:41 PM
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donputo69 @ EL Maromero:
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The title of this fight should be.."WHEN THE DINOSAURS COLLIDES"...lmfao.....holla back!!!
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 08:06:53 PM
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in touch:
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Not of interest to anyone other than the two fighters. YOu are right, Frank. But, in some strange way, I think if Jones can beat anyone it's Hopkins. styles make fights and maybe jones has the style to beat hopkins. Shame on hopkins though for doing what he's been doing most of his career; fighting the easy fights. He may have beaten guys like de la hoya and trinidad, but they were welters fighting a true middle weight. Why won't he fight dawson? ppv for jones hopkins will show that people are not fools
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 08:24:55 PM
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Kool-Aid:
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RJJ should've never signed the contract. B-Hop is getting that 60-40 with the TKO but I will be watching the replay because I'm not paying for a fight that should've happened 15 years ago!
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 09:01:32 PM
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Joe:
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Despite all of the naysayers, I can't wait to see this fight. It's going to be a great fight if Benard actually does try to fight and not hold all night.
Roy gets hit behind the head with a person who has loaded gloves and now he's not suppossed to fight anymore. EVeryone is going to be shocked with the way he dominates Hopkins.
Roy is still the most electrying boxer in the game.
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 09:04:08 PM
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mortcola@in touch:
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You're right. Devil's advocate (disclaimer: this fight should not happen): Jones is going to win a decision. Jones cannot handle the heavy shots of pressure fighters he cannot avoid, now that his athleticism is merely pretty good, not awesome. Jones never, ever had a chin, and back in the day, he didn't need one. He has a Hearns-style chin, without a Hearns- style jab or mental resilience. The Jones people were morons to take the Green fight - I predicted an early KO - first heavy shot. When Lou DelValle clobbered Jones back in his prime, and Jones wobbled up to finish out the fight, I told my Dad, RIP, who thought, with me, that Jones was amazing, that as soon as he loses his speed edge, he's a sitting duck for punchers. He cannot handle a volume punching slickster like Calzaghe. But he can certainly handle an economical, crafty, ordinary puncher like Hopkins. He still has decent speed, won't be fighting someone with a speed or power or output advantage, and he still punches pretty well and pretty quick. For y'all who don't understand the phrase "styles make fights", watch this one. That being said, this fight is for their two large egos, and means little more. Except that Hopkins' legacy is gonna have a funny smell if he loses to Jones at this phase of his career. The post-40 miracle is going to be a lot less impressive. That makes this fight strangely significant.
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 09:27:41 PM
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scyense:
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I ain't 'bout ta pay fiddy-plus bucks to watch a fight that shouldn't even be shown on Versus. I'd watch it for free on ABC/CBS/NBC/FOX, but PAY for a match that's sure NOT to be a scintillating affair---NAAAAH!!!
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 10:02:25 PM
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Francisco:
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I would buy it just cause I feel sorry for the both of them. I think Roy Jones Jr. should be able to beat Hopkins in a lopsided UD.
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 10:11:19 PM
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MisterLee:
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Can't be bad blood... how bout' Old Blood.... :)
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 10:56:00 PM
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brownsugar:
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I agree totally with the article, obviously Jones has seen better days and Hopkins needs to decide if he wants to retire,.. or stay relevent,.. I don't want to see Hop vs Jones anymore than I 'd want to see Randy Savage vs Hulk Hogan again... too much water under the bridge...I think GoldenBoy has allowed Hopkins to run amok by supporting this fight,.. it'll be better for the boxing world in general if Hopkins just retires and works from the executive side of the business,.. I mean he's old enough to retire with full honors,.. how about B-hop vs Clould,.. or Dawson?? He's not going to trick a supermiddleweight to meet him at 170 to 175 again,(Bute for example).. and he let Adamak get away from him...
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 10:59:32 PM
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Thebryguy:
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I got it!! GRUMPY OLD MEN 3!! Perfect name for the fight. Brownsugar, I would actually prefer to see Savage vs. Hogan!
Thursday Feb 4, 2010 11:19:36 PM
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Isaiah:
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This fight once again brought to you by Worthers Original, Polident, Gold Bond Denture Cream, Metamucil, Sylvester Stallone Human Growth Hormone, Clint Eastwood Ancient Tough Guy Fund, The History Channel, Egyptian Hyroglyphics, the Model T Ford, Evander Holyfield, M.C. Hammer and the "Too Legit Too Quit Band," the Vikings, (Not the football team, the originals), 60 Minutes, Bill Cosby and the Jello-O Pudding Cup, Bob Barker, the creation of time and space, Dr. Vizers, Hearing Aids, Walkers and Canes Inc. Liberty Medical Insurance, Arthritis Cream, Rogaine for Men, LiverSpots Medicine and Alztimers.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 12:12:21 AM
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MisterLee @ b-sug:
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Hope you read my apology on the best welterweight article. That was not me, it was a clone using my real email in the post, which is why EM chided me for starting trouble. Anything I had wanted to say I said in the previous floyd articles, and I was heated about the disagreement issue of Floyd and PED and not personally attacking you. Hope you forgive me and my troller's identity, I would not personally attack you for no reason and I still esteem you very highly on my TSS experience. Holler!
Friday Feb 5, 2010 01:21:24 AM
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brownsugar:
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Thebryguy,... if they put it on at the same time I'd be watching it with you lol..
Friday Feb 5, 2010 02:11:09 AM
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dp69 @Isaiah:
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Lmfao...Rogaine for man...lol...holla back!!!
Friday Feb 5, 2010 05:50:45 AM
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mortcola:
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Since no one is actually talking about the boxing part of it today, I pick Jack Lemmon by DQ, after Walter Matthau's dentures are found embedded in his shoulder. Strangely, the ref is Samson Pou'Ha (or Andrew Golota, if that's too obscure).
Friday Feb 5, 2010 07:22:13 AM
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DRMULLEN:
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All hail King Jones. Can't wait for this great fight. Hopkins vs Jones.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 07:53:30 AM
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kountedout:
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when the fight should have taken place both fighters were busy trying to play the " Im the bigger fighter so i need the most money" that now its too late. no one wants to see this. im not interested in watching it.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 08:48:28 AM
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Vincent Ogawa:
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I will always watch ANY Hopkins fight but I don't understand why he can't let his beef with Roy go unless he really plans on trying to give him an Ali vs Jerry Quarry beating. But even still what will it prove?? I think some people have goldfish memories when they try to down play Hopkins wins over De La Hoya and Trinidad. Against Trinidad he was a huge underdog especially since he threw down the Puerto-Rican flag in PR. (My Puerto-Rican girl-friend at the time now my wife got pissed because I support B-Hop but thats another story) Everyone was impressed with how Tito destroyed Joppy, worse than what Hopkins did some years later. Hopkins not only beat Trinidad, he torchered his soul. When Hopkins apologized to the Puerto Rican people about the flag and thanked him for allowing him to show his greatness Tito wouldn't even make eye contact with him. He never was the same after that fight. Then against De La Hoya they fought a catch weight under 160 but Oscar continuesly fought at 154 until his retirement party hosted by Pac-Man. Oscar was doing good until the the infamous body shot. Then game over. You gotta respect a guy who knocked out Glen Johnson, Oscar De La Hoya, and Tito Trinidad.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 09:23:19 AM
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Anony:
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GREAT ARTICLE... It wraps the the history between these two very well. Personally, I'm not paying for this fight because they already made us wait 17 years for it, so waiting a couple of days to watch it online won't affect me. I might go to a local bar and pay for my beer but I won't pay at PPV at home. I know Hopkins will win but Roy Jones is still my favorite boxer between the two. They should consider to move this to HBO or SHOBOX... the fans deserves it.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 09:34:45 AM
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manboobs the great:
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I love B-Hop but he's gone off the deep end if he thinks anyone with an IQ above thier shoe size would PAY to see this fight. Why is boxing in the crapper compared to MMA??? For $50 bucks you can get the answer on April 3rd. A Hopkins sneak right will put Jones away in about the 4th or 5th round.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 09:56:05 AM
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manboobs the great:
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Just wanted to add the punchstats will look more like a Hockey score than a boxing match. I dont think either one will throw more than 20 punches a round. Someone might land in double digits if we're lucky.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 09:58:36 AM
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ali:
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i KNOW YALL ARE GOING TO LAUGH BUT IM GOING TO PAY FOR THE FIGHT BUT IM PRETTY SURE ITS GOING TO SUCK...
Friday Feb 5, 2010 10:05:05 AM
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Raging Bull:
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Let alone the fact that there is most definitely no demand for this fight, making it a Pay Per View Event is absolutely, without question, an insult to all Boxing Fans!!!
Friday Feb 5, 2010 10:11:03 AM
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mortcola:
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I'm a big Hopkins fan, but if you think Jones' losses to Green, Calzaghe, and Tarver help predict what would happen against Hopkins...I'll take your money. You've heard of conventional wisdom? This is unconventional wisdom. Its how I pay the mortgage. Jones by close decision in an unexpectedly competitive fight.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 11:03:17 AM
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davew:
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Those two egomaniacs must think we are stupid. I cant believe even fans of them want to see this. I know it wont happen, but i sure wish nobody would buy this crap, and thats what it is, pure crap.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 02:04:01 PM
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Frank Z:
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this fight is like a birthday cake delivered after it's been sitting in the baker's window by the sun for 2 weeks and the baker forgot about it.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 02:27:35 PM
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mortcola:
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Enough sun, and it hardens, and basically becomes a giant cookie.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 03:19:41 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao by TKO in the 8th":
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This much forgotten rematch is finally going to happen after nearly 17 years. If you asking me to purchase this fight, I say yes. Remember that these are two current/former legends who still enter that ring to fight. You have an ageless Hopkins who still feels he's got a reserved tank under his belt. Jones Jr. in my opinion just had an off night or was overwhelm in his last fight. I think this is a meaningless fight since it has been a forgotten fight. But let's support the fight for the good of the sport. These two will put on a better show than most of us anticipate. So let's buy "FOGOTTEN REMATCH" for the sake of boxing.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 05:07:12 PM
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FOS:
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How about fight at the social security line or Clash of the Senior Citizents!!
Friday Feb 5, 2010 05:09:28 PM
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Condor:
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Under no circumstamces whatsoever would I buy this fight. It's bad for boxing, bad, bad, bad. Sets a bad precedent. Speak out against these ripoffs. If it was on ESPN, I'd watch the Forgotten Rematch, but no way on PPV. No way. And the only reason it's forgotten is because these two guys failed to get together when it was relevant. And it was due to their own greed. They, and only they, are to blame for depriving boxing and boxing history of this fight. It means nothing now. If Hopkins win -and he will- it doesn't avenge his 1993 loss to Jones. This fight bears the equivalent historical significance of Larry Holmes-Butterbean.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 06:29:05 PM
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Yuvie:
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Hah, it's kinda funny. Jones got stopped in the first round of his last fight so how the hell are they gonna try and sell this fight? Oooh, unfinished business always sells. Actually, I'm pretty sure this won't sell at all. Only dumb shi*s would buy this fight. This sort of thing kills boxing, two big named fossils in a boring as hell fight, chances are people will buy for the big names expecting some kind of great last hurrah from these guys. Instead, we'll see a mockery. Let's hope there's a decent undercard at the very least. Stack it with at least two credible undercard fights and it might just be worth it. It seems to work with UFC when they try to sell two old fossils fighting eachother. (UFC 109)
Friday Feb 5, 2010 07:42:00 PM
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brownsugar@MisterLee:
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no worries MisterLee,.... no clone could ever replace you
Friday Feb 5, 2010 10:03:25 PM
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The Good Doctor:
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How bout "The Geritol Brawl". That sounds pretty marketable.
Friday Feb 5, 2010 10:42:48 PM
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El Maromero @DP:
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haha..that's fu@k3d up!! What about ...'When Senior Citizens Attack"
Friday Feb 5, 2010 11:03:05 PM
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donputo69:
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how about " WHEN THE FLINSTONES COLLIDE "...holla back!!!
Friday Feb 5, 2010 11:17:53 PM
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Isaiah @ DP69:
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Try this one on for size. Narrator: " In a nursing home gone mad, there's only one tapioaca pudding left. It's down to the two most in shape suckers in the old man river area. Who's gonna win? Roy "don't touch my chin" Jones or Bernard "too legit to quit" Hopkins. It's gonna be a yabba dabba doo in Bedrock. It's a solitary confinment in retirement. It's a nursing home madness, winner takes all! Who will fall and can't get up? Who's bowels will erupt? Who will get hit one more time and return to dust because getting the pudding is a must?
Saturday Feb 6, 2010 12:19:28 AM
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boxrev:
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Geezers at Ceasers
Saturday Feb 6, 2010 01:42:30 AM
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Marc:
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Isn’t that the point, for once maybe it’s not about money, just settling an old score, one last time, one more big fight?
Saturday Feb 6, 2010 06:30:49 AM
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MisterLee @ B-sug:
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I was chided for starting trouble because I was starting trouble, B-sug. If you remember, I admonished you to stop "pissing me off" over your head-in-the-sand Mayweather PED issue. And all you need to do is look at my updated P4P reader list, the most impo'tant list that exists, and your name is missing. Your not in my top 10. But I respect ya. If I had to give a top-30, you'd be 28 or 29. Now, if I have to tell you to gtfo of this site, I will. Either agree with me, or leave. I possess the knowledge. Beating donpita68 down was easy. You'd be easier. Holler!
Saturday Feb 6, 2010 06:53:35 AM
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EM@Isaiah:
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Gotta say, loved that tapioca line bro
Saturday Feb 6, 2010 09:57:31 AM
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rick:
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Roy wins this fight easy, I agree with the above stated analysis, styles makes fights. And exceptionally different styles makes for exceptionally exciting fights. Roy has something to prove, hes mentally not what he was, he was getting it back after Lacy fight. And even though Green cheated, it hurt Roy a lot. So the key to this fight is Bernard taking a page out of the Prince Adjami Badu fight against Roy, attack early and hope to get lucky. Otherwise, ROY WILL EAT HIM UP ALL NITE. This makes for an exciting fight. People use deduction, he got KOd by him therefore he will get KOd by Bernard. Real life doesnt work like this, induction teaches us that new factors create new results, April 3rd will prove induction is alive and well.
Saturday Feb 6, 2010 08:09:32 PM
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Isaiah@EM:
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Good. Maybe I'll come up with something even better next time. Have a good one bro.
Sunday Feb 7, 2010 03:55:51 PM
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You Have To Take The Test To Be Called The Best
"People can say whatever they like about Floyd Mayweather Jr....and they will....but they can never say the man challenges himself to be the best." ---TSS All-Star reader El Feroz weighs in on who he thinks is at blame for the Manny-Money negotiation flameout
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