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Conte Volunteers To Catch Cheaters If He Can
By Bernard Fernandez
Victor Conte might not bear much of a resemblance to Leonardo DiCaprio, but the controversial founder and president of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, better known to the public as BALCO, is eager to play the sort of reformed bad-guy role undertaken by the strikingly handsome leading man in a 2002 film, Catch Me if You Can.
If you recall, DiCaprio was cast as an actual person, Frank Abagnale Jr., who joined the FBI to aid law enforcement in its apprehension of the most clever perpetrators of bank fraud. It’s a familiar storyline; in an old television series (It Takes a Thief) and a new one (White Collar,) suave and mostly contrite confidence men are enlisted from prison by government agencies for their potential to help nail non-reformed evil-doers.
Conte fits the ex-convict part of the profile well enough, having served four months after pleading guilty in 2005 to conspiracy to distribute steroids and money-laundering. With a client list that included disgraced Olympian Marion Jones, champion boxer Shane Mosley and baseball slugger Barry Bonds, he of the literally swollen head and cartoonishly inflated biceps, Conte was and is widely viewed as the serpent who enticed world-class athletes with an apple enriched with anabolic steroids, human growth hormone, erythropoietin (EPO) and designer drugs that came to be known as “the clear” and “the cream.”
Now Conte says he wants to make his expertise available to every anti-doping organization in ridding sports of performance-enhancing drugs. If the FBI was willing to swallow its pride and take on Frank Abagnale Jr., he reasons, why wouldn’t, say, the Nevada State Athletic Association reach out to the one man whose knowledge of PEDs might exceed all others?
“I will never, ever do anything involving illegal performance-enhancing substances again,” Conte says. “I would never again subject my family members to what they went through. That is a past life for me.
“There needs to be a change in where the spotlight is, and it needs to be put upon Olympic governing body officials, the owners of the teams and the players’ union executives who have had the full knowledge of the rampant use of performance-enhancing drugs for 50 years.”
But if the testing procedures for the Olympics, the NFL and Major League Baseball are flawed to the point of being “inept,” according to Conte, he saves his most scornful rebukes for boxing, which he describes as the “wild, wild West” of PEDs.
“Most fighters open training camp about eight weeks before a fight,” Conte says. “They only way to ensure they’re really clean is to have some type of random, unannounced testing, and both blood- and urine-testing.”
If that sounds like a semi-accusatory finger being pointed at Manny Pacquiao, whose March 13 megafight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. fell apart because of Pac-Man’s incensed refusal to participate in a higher level of drug-testing than ever has been implemented in boxing, so be it.
“Is it suspicious the way (Pacquiao) has gained so much lean muscle mass while retaining and even seemingly improving his power and speed? Yes,” Conte says. “It is highly suspicious. But it’s difficult to make any type of allegations against him because he’s never tested positive for illegal drugs. The problem is that he has been subjected, as is the case with all boxers, to the standard urine testing that, in my opinion, is worthless.
“It’s announced testing. Any time an athlete knows when he or she is going to be tested, they or someone advising them knows the clearance time of these performance-enhancing drugs. If you know urine tests are only going to be administered immediately before and after a fight, all you have to do is taper off an adequate number of days and you’re going to test negative.”
To buttress his argument that most sports’ drug-testing is as best inadequate and at worst useless, Conte points out that Marion Jones tested negative for PEDs 160 consecutive times. She only admitted to using them, he contends, to avoid more substantial jail time while testifying under oath before a grand jury.
Conte’s insistence that he has seen the light and has crossed over to the side of good and virtue have for, the most part, been viewed with skepticism by those agencies to which he has made overtures.
Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission (the scuttled Pacquiao-Mayweather bout was to have taken place at Las Vegas’ MGM Grand), said Conte’s very public crusade to become a latter-day Frank Abagnale Jr. is akin to the fox requesting to guard the hen house.
“I hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t put a lot of stock into what Victor Conte has to say,” Kizer says. “I’m amazed at how much press he’s getting these days.
“But that said, the NSAC is known not just for drug-testing, but in being very pro-active in all aspects of regulation. We change and update our rules as need be. Almost two years ago we instituted out-of-competition drug-testing, to be even better at detecting. Keep in mind, our ultimate goal is not to catch people; it’s to keep people from using in the first place.
“We were also the first (state boxing commission) to put in testing for steroids. We did that in 2001, I believe. We also expanded around that time our testing for stimulants.”
So Conte’s claims that boxing’s testing procedures are mostly for show are groundless?
“I’m very pleased with our policy,” Kizer said. “We actually had some experts from the U.S. Olympic Committee and USADA (the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) come here eight or nine months ago to talk about our drug-testing. They didn’t have a problem with it at all. Definitely nothing about blood (testing) came up.”
Conte said the problem – well, one of them, anyway – is that many of the so-called “experts” giving their stamp of approval to agencies like the NSAC are anything but.
“Mosley has sued me two times in federal court in California, and there’s still an ongoing suit in the New York State Supreme Court where he’s suing me for defamation,” Conte notes. “Before his fight with (Miguel) Cotto in 2007, he came out and said I misled him. He said I gave him vitamins when I was instead giving him performance-enhancing drugs. That is simply not true.
“He testified before a grand jury and admitted that he knowingly used EPO. We have a videotape of his deposition in New York in October 2009 where he admits again that he knowingly used EPO, that I told him what it was and what the benefits and side effects were.
“He’s asked, `So you injected the drug before any attempt was made by anyone from the Nevada commission whether the drug was legal or not? Is that true? And he said yes.
“I read shortly thereafter an article in the New York Daily News that indicated the WBC was conducting an investigation of Shane Mosley. The WBC attorney’s name is Robert Lenhardt. I called him and said, `Look, I would be willing to assist you in this investigation.’ I sent him emails and documents. All I got back from him was an acknowledgment, `We’re in receipt of this information. Thanks.’ He didn’t seem to have any interest in following up.”
I spoke to Lenhardt and he said he was limited in what he and the WBC could do at this time because Mosley’s lawsuit against Conte was in litigation.
“The WBC believes it is one of the early leaders in all of sports in putting in anti-doping regulations,” Lenhardt said. “Now, did Mr. Conte send information to the WBC? I can confirm that he did. But the WBC recognizes that these matters (Mosley’s defamation suit against Conte) are currently being litigated in the U.S. court system, so there has been no determination (of their validity) in advance of the outcome.”
Conte has received similar rejections from other organizations and agencies whose message to him basically is “thanks, but no thanks.”
“I met with officials of USADA face-to-face,” Conte says. “I reached out and wrote an open letter to WADA. I flew to New York and met with Dick Pound, who is the founder of WADA and was then its chairman.
“On each occasion I’ve offered my advice. But the new regime at WADA, headed by Australia’s John Fahey, doesn’t want to listen to me because I’m a bad guy. Fahey said he’d rather get his information from medical doctors than from a convicted felon.”
To hear Conte’s detractors tell it, he is a slimy guy who hopes to cleanse himself by smearing others, a ploy often used by certain politicians and used-car salesmen. Conte counters that those who vilify him, while paying lip service to the concept of purifying sports of PEDs, are not willing to go the distance because they know that sports fans aren’t really as interested in having all-natural heroes as they profess to be.
As proof of the existence of a double standard, Conte points out that Mark McGwire, obliged to confess his steroid-injected past as a condition to returning to baseball as the new hitting coach of his former club, the St. Louis Cardinals, was cheered by 2,500 red-clad fans of the team in a packed hotel ballroom. Those same fans so willing to forgive one of their own presumably have less tolerance toward, say, Bonds, Manny Ramirez and Roger Clemens.
More evidence comes in the form of a poll of track and field fans in Europe, where the sport is much bigger, at least between Olympics, than it is in America. Asked whether they’d rather see a certifiably clean 100-meter sprinter clocked in 10.2 seconds, or a steroid-fueled one break the world record (the current men’s mark is 9.58 seconds), a majority of respondents gritted their teeth, ’fessed up and admitted they’d rather see the faster guy on PEDs.
Conte said Mayweather’s demand of random blood testing of himself and Pacquiao, up to five days before the fight, although unprecedented in boxing, should be instituted as the industry standard.
“Pacquiao said he had agreed initially to testing 30 days out, then he agreed to cut that to 24 days out in the final phases of the negotiations,” Conte says. “The Mayweather sided held firm at 14 days, so the big story supposedly was that they were 10 days apart.
“Well, let’s look at what could be done with a 24-day window. I don’t believe so-called `designer’ steroids are being used much anymore, like the THG (the “clear”) that was at the heart of the BALCO scandal.
“All anabolic steroids are similar to testosterone. If you test often enough over a sufficiently long period, you can see where the perks are. What athletes are doing now is using low-dose testosterone. The gels and the creams will clear in a day. Oral testosterone will clear in about four days. Water-based injectable testosterone will clean in about 10 days.
“With intense training and a two-week program of anabolic steroids or low-dose testosterone, you can get a significant advantage in terms of strength and power.”
And users need not look like Arnold Schwarzenegger during his Mr. Universe incarnation, either.
“Steroids make you tight and pumped-up. You lose speed,” Conte says. “It’s great during the training process because you’re going to build explosive strength, but thereafter you go back to a normal fluid balance so that you no longer have that tightness. Your flexibility comes back. You’re going to lose some speed. But if you taper off, you’re much faster 10 days to two weeks out than you are while you’re still on the stuff.
“Now, the drug EPO increases your percentage of red blood cells. If you start out at 40 percent, in a two-week time frame or less, you could increase that to 50 percent. That’s a 25 percent increase in the percentage of red blood cells. Oxygen molecules attach themselves to the hemoglobin, and that means 25 percent more oxygen is being delivered to the muscle tissue. It also means the metabolic waste byproducts, like carbon dioxide, ammonia and lactic acid, are transported out 25 percent faster. That gives you a huge edge in training and especially in the later rounds of a fight.”
Not that all fighters should be regarded with a raised eyebrow if they resist blood-testing. Even big, strong guys have been known to faint at the sight of needles. Others are queasy if taken to a high place. Hey, it happens.
“I think you could do blood testing up to five days of a fight with no physical detriment to a participant,” Conte says. “A compromise of 10 days would be all right. But as soon as you go 14 days or more, that’s enough time to use EPO and build up your red blood cell count. At 24 days, there’s all sorts of things that can be done with thyroid medication, fast-acting forms of insulin, EPO, testosterone.
“Now, for psychological reasons, some athletes are going to complain if blood-testing becomes mandatory. Manny Pacquiao isn’t the only one. Asafa Powell, the Jamaican Olympic sprinter, is terrified of having blood drawn. A lot of people are. But to take a very small blood sample would have an extremely minimal or no effect physically. Once someone got accustomed to it, it’d be much easier to accept.”
For now, though, the biggest fight of this century – and maybe the highest-grossing one of all time – remains on the drawing board because of an impasse neither side appears willing to take steps to resolve. And if you’re waiting for boxing officials to step forward to work out the kinks, don’t hold your breath.
“I believe there’s a rampant use of performance-enhancing drugs in boxing, and there has been for decades,” Conte says. “It’s certainly not anything new.”
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HOW FUNNY:
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maybe roach should hire him lol, to teach him how not to get caught.lol
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 02:15:10 PM
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Radam G -- lmfao:
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Wow! What in the heck is Conte talking about? This dude is rambling, grandstanding and straight up embellishing every darn thing he says about that $hit. That $hit is like "A-side Meth" that Uncle Roger May is talking about nowadays. A DARN BIG MYTH! Steroids give you no edge in boxing against a pure-hardworking elite pugilist. I'm reminded of magic. It looks as real as pimples on your arse until you bust that jive and all the nasty runs out. I'm reminded of disappearing Ninjas pulling hearts out of enemies with bare hands and Kung funging limbs off enemies with your bare chopping hands. And this $hit about Pinoys walking through shots from the U.S. made 45-caliber pistol -- made specifically to kill Filipino warriors -- what a MYTH that we have fooled the Buffalo soldiers Private Maywhitter (sic) and Corpal Sinclair with. Wow! They have passed that jive down three generations. WOW! We whupped arse so badly that Uncle Roger is convinced that we really can "walk right through bullets...they bounce off (our arses)." Man, OMG! We Pinoys are some bad mutha -- "SHUT YO' MOUTH! "I'm just talking about Pinoys. We deal out arse whupping because of good ole Pinoy foods, Pinoy chemical-less mountain and well waters and chemical-less fruits and juices. After drinking some good coconut juice and eating a couple of baluts, I can whupped about three big-arse Yanks with my bare hand. (These keyboard American enthnocentric warriors would be barking up the wrong tree jiving with ___ in person. That is great advice, not a threat. I don't go there.) Man, AmerKanos have become some soft muthas by eating bad food, drinking bad waters, using contaminated (spelled wrong) aluminum-filled deodorant and gulping down fake juices and beers. Talking about looking for America's next heavyweight champion, you better start looking for U.S. America champions, period! Weakness -- mentally and physically -- has made many U.S. athletes turn to steriods and develop a believe that the world is using that $hit because of the myth that if America sneezes, the whole world get a cold. NOT! Holla!
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 02:56:34 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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I didn't know TSS was now a headhunter firm that helps place out of work hustlers in their dream jobs.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 03:13:37 PM
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SALT lover:
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Victor Conte can say it, explain it, write it, draw it, and analyze it in details all he wants. Unfortunately the FANATISM will always lead to respond in the same manner as the big comment above me: all heart, and no reasonin'. The World today is so much into Pacquiao that those things right now at this moment are gonna be rejected, even if it is True, and most sadly, even if they know is True in the bottom of their hearts, they will never admit it at this point. What he's always gonna get are angry comments from people and FANATICS. I guess the best PED's detector is the Truth itself. If Pacquiao is using steroids, then the Truth will always come out, but if it is True, I just wish it comes now and fast. Not when everythin' is gone, and forgotten. What Conte said is what I've been sayin' in this site all along: Nevada State Athletic Commission's urine samples are complete JOKE! They are routinary, and they do not detect ALL enhancement drugs outside the market (Best example is HGH). Shane Mosley has been able to cheat the Commission's testin' in 2003, what makes people think there's no way to cheat again in 2009-2010? Travis Tygart is also very aware that the Commission's urine samples are a joke. And on top of that the Commission, respondin' to the Pacquiao-Mayweather Jr negotiations, made a mandate urine samples, was another but stupid, pointless move ......................AS IF EITHER OF THE TWO GONNA PUT PEDs NOW! Please, those people are incompent, and worthless when it comes to those testings. Before the Pacquiao-Mayweather Jr negotiations, I would've said "Not a chance!" that Pacquiao was usin' anythin'. When Floyd Mayweather Sr. started his trash talk, I wasn't buyin' it, and I was even on the verge to get him to be a sore loser after the Hatton fight; but when Pacquiao shocked be my refusin' that random blood test, and then the different contradictory reasons he gave to why not submit to blood testin', things changed completely, and now it very possible in my eyes that he could very well be takin', or doin' somethin' wrong. I'm not sayin' he is, but now is very possible. I was waitin' for him to shut Mayweather Sr's mouth outside the ring, while tryin' to beat his son inside, but he rejected it. I don't care what people here say, and I don't give a FLYIN' DAMN what FANATICS say, that stuff he did is suspicious and is not what a clean athlete would do. Time will tell. If Floyd was the one backin' from random blood testin', would everybody be sayin' he isn't? Ya'll know that answer. Finish!
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 03:47:54 PM
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Radam G:
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Somebody oughta go to Examiner(dot)com and hit "Roger Mayweather say Pacquiao uses some drugs Filipino soldiers used to be 'bulletproof.'" Uncle Roger is one scary, foolish mutha. Go and listen to him perform for yourself. Maybe he will win an Oscar, or at least, maybe GBP will get him the coming Oscar (De la Hoya) Award for dumba$$ and extreme paranoia. Holla!
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 04:00:14 PM
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DEEPWATER:
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If you gullible people believe that conte will do this out of the goodness of his heart then I have a bridge to sell you. You guys probably believed obama was gonna end the wars instead of starting new ones.lol. Wake up good people.check your premises.victor conte needs his name in the spotlight to sell more books.greed folks.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 04:04:39 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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That's exactly what it is Radam! These guys are all for the press they are unworthingly getting. They're just doing this for the spotlight and nothing more. They say that NSAC testing is worthless but yet have no explainations as to how Marion Jones tested negative 160 consecutive times by random blood testing. If Manny did agree to the random blood testing and tested negative they would use Jones as an example for him testing negative. They'll say Jones beat the system so can Manny. What gets me so disgusted about this whole issue is that when they say NSAC is worthless, then why accuse just one person and not the entire athletes of the sport? Accuse every single fighter for being dirty starting with Scareweather who has a history of being around drugs!!!!
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 04:42:03 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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May I add that most of these so-called experts keep saying that taking a small amount of blood isn't going to affect an athlete's performance. Have they been in that situation before? Kizer? Konte? Scareweather Jr.? Sr.? Shaefer? Oscar? Woman beater? Girlnaggi? No!! Manny has when he fought Morales in the first fight. Usain Bolt has, he quoted that he was weakened by the excessive testing during the Olympics.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 04:49:14 PM
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DEEPWATER:
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If you gullible people believe that conte will do this out of the goodness of his heart then I have a bridge to sell you. You guys probably believed obama was gonna end the wars instead of starting new ones.lol. WAKE UP GOOD PEOPLE.CHECK YOUR PREMISES.VICTOR HAS BOOKS HE NEEDS TO SELL
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 05:00:59 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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Who is going to believe this ex-CONte when he was on the wrong side. I would have believed you if it was Tygart but this is Victor CONte.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 05:11:15 PM
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tender care:
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Pacman's refusal? Did he refuse?.....And no matter what they say, they can't put a good man down.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 06:18:01 PM
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Huna:
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Hopefully Ceres Nanosciences will perfect their HGH Urine Testing System soon so that we can have an effective system that are not as evasive as drug testing. Then those who don't like having blood drawn will still be tested effectively. As Far as Travis Tygart of USADA goes, he's a Lawyer just like JOHN EDWARDS who made a living lying and still lied when shown photos of him holding his LOVE CHILD, So don't give Tygart anymore credit than he deserves if he was a Doctor it would be different.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 06:42:12 PM
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DJ:
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Victor Conte is just looking for more accolades. He's a spotlight junkie. Notice how he goes to meet people that they don't come to him! The dude is a virus. How much weight does pac cut? Maybe 10lbs. I think it is pretty normal for a man being 5'7" to weigh 160lbs with out steroids. Not saying that there's no possible way for him to be on steroids, there's no smoking gun. He doesn't show the signs of a juicer. He's only cold cocked 1 person lately and that was at 140lbs after he knocked hatton down a couple of times. So it really wasn't a one punch thumping it was cumulative. Even if he was on steroids, if they weigh 147lbs who cares really? I seriously doubt the ten lbs in muscle gives him any advantage over mayweather. Its just body weight not skill, timing, or other attributes.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 06:48:42 PM
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RICHARD obama:
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ex-Convict,ahhhhemmmn,excuse me....ex-Conte is absolutely not credible in in the fabrication of his stories because he himself is a supplier of drugs...what's the point in believing those criminals? if they need public attention, better help the victims in Haiti and better yet since ex-Convict...ahhhmnnn excuse me again,since ex-Conte is an expect in manufacturing drugs, better to discover more drugs that heal diseases rather than distributing harmful and illegal drugs that ex-Conte produces...does it make sense?
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 06:57:03 PM
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john:
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with due respect to Mr. Conte!
The type of random testing to effectively rid the sports of enhancing drugs is concieved but will never be born. In the world of amateur sports, this is palausible, but in the professionla world where the best is paid in millions and even billions, no way this will ever be implemtented.
The only way to effectively rid the sports of enhancing drugs is to do ramdom testing daily.. That is the ultimate deterence... And who in his right frame of mind would subject himself to that?
"I am the best golfer in the universe and you want me to tell you i am having hot date tonight in some fancy restaurant with a hot model behind my wife's back so you can follow me anytime, andyday? Hell no!"
That is why, random testing is only for aspiring athletes. Professionals will not subject himself to privacy interceeding.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 07:00:29 PM
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salt lover, so whats the logic implied in randon testing? the mayweathers alone will end up to a joke media blitzers even if pacman comes out positive with roids. and what they will do if indeed packy has taken peds? nobody can stripped him out of those belts he won aided with peds or what ever substances he took. unless this crusade is dealth properly by the commision of nevada boxing who regulates the sports. floyds himself knew that in few short times, his legacy of selling his hype fights will end....where can you find a best fighter who doesn't fight a good and decent fights and missed major so many recognitions as indeed the best boxer of his era? floyd is a joke, he's a champion in boxing web blog
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 07:19:04 PM
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atozet:
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Olympic dope testing on Marion Jones tested negative for PEDs 160 consecutive times. Your blood testing then is a joke. Why not use hair samples? Why “It is suspicious the way (Pacquiao) has gained so much lean muscle mass while retaining and even seemingly improving his power and speed when it is also true to PBF ? PBF's growth was even more abrupt than Pacman. Are you saying PBF is on to something too? Check growth statistics @ examiner dot com /x-4514-Houston-Boxing-Examiner~y2010m1d8-Stat-Analysis--Floyds-climb-in-weight
Conte portrays himself as an expert. With his analysis it seems has a lot to learn. If you don't know the topic, be truthful. Say I don't know, instead of\\" it's suspicious.\\"
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 07:22:49 PM
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John Higgins:
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The fact is that most drug cheaters have been busted not by being tested positive, but by law enforcement. U.S. Olympian Marion Jones is in jail because she lied to law enforcement. She was randomly tested over 200 times by the so-called Olympic-standard tests and never had a dirty test result. That certainly makes a case for those Olympic Testing labs, doesn't it.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 07:48:20 PM
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Pukingsiyana:
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say hey... two wrongs don't make a right. First mistake- people took Flyod Sr's word that Pacman is on something bad. Now, if people will allow Conte to do the testing, that is the other wrong. An ex-con should not be trusted particularly when millions are at stake. Who knows if he can be bought and thus give false results?
Truth is Junior is scare as hell and he just used the "drug" issue to get out of the fight. It is for that same reason why he would not fight Mosley. He knows, just like Pacman, Mosley will beat the crap out of him.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 08:04:06 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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Nice post Salt, I agree 100%. I doubt any other clean athlete would walk away from $40 million over random testing....especially with a 14 day window....it just doesn't make any sense. Any other guy woulda took the test and busted Floyd's ass in the ring for running his mouth. I gave Manny the benefit of the doubt up until that point. He's either dirty or Team Pacman knows Mayweather is a bad match up for him and weren't quite ready to take the fight at that time...I'm guessing it's the latter.. As for Conte, I don't know if he's the right guy for the job given his shady back ground but I'm all for an upgrade in drug testing so that this issue never prevents another mega fight from happening.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 08:13:26 PM
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Uragon:
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Conte only mentioned testing prior the fight, but Manny wants his blood to be drawn right after the fight. Like one who said that he wants to be known and write a book to make money like all athletes that tested positive on PED. This Conte, is a non-sense human. He need to be trashed.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 08:22:00 PM
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jackbw9:
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You gotta wonder: Why are all these drug experts coming out in the media all of the sudden? You'd think the whole issue of drugs would die down after a month of the fight being aborted, but when you have agendas on the plate the wheels just keep turning.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 08:32:01 PM
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robert:
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IF MARION JONES TESTED NEGATIVE 160 TIMES LIKE YOU SAID , THEN THE EXPERTS WERE RIIGHT THAT THE METHOD OF TESTING AVAILABLE IN THE MARKET WERE USELESS . SO WHAT'S THE POINT? WHAT WE NEED IS A COMPANY THAT CAN DEVELOP A MORE SOPHISTICATED METHOD OF DETECTING THESE DRUGS. AND DON'T FORGET IF THE METHOD IS NOT APPROVED BY THE F.D.A.,
THEN THE RESULT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
P.S. I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS BUT, CAN PLEASE TELL ME IF THERE WAS AN ASIAN ATHLETE THAT WAS REPORTED USING THESE DRUGS?.........
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 08:54:18 PM
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Smiley C:
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Haters and faders just can't find it in their hearts to put the blame where it lies, on Mayweather. He is scared of Pacquiao fo' sure!
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 09:02:59 PM
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fflash12:
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Yes, let's test every fighter in the world but at whose expense and who stands to profit.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 09:31:32 PM
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maverick:
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Different cultures played a role in the nego for that fight. Have you ever been bullied? I guess Manny just wanted to make a statement for the whole world to see that he will not allow to be bullied by that arrogant Mayweather by submitting to his demands. For Filipinos, pride and honor is something of a value. WIth Manny earning so much and has a lot of cash to spare without taking the fight and be subjected to Mayweather's demands, Greedy Mayweather is on the losing end. People always look on the $$$ in assessing the situation. They would tell you that Manny is foolish not to submit to that demand with the amount of cash to earn. YOu have to be in Manny's shoes to understand his stand on the matter. I am a Filipino and I understand Manny fully well. I bet Mayweather is pissed off when the fight did not happen coz one great Filipino did not bend on his bullish demand. Peace
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 10:01:40 PM
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Dundee D:
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Make sure iit will not lead to manipulation like the GBB , Teddy Atlas , Mouthweathers & other media did . Or they might hire another useless whistle blower like those persons mentions above . Just to descredit Pacquiao in order to lie to the public that they are clean . Those bunch of cheaters and liars like the Mouthweathers should put into the test theirselves . Thety are the real illegal drug users which has been proven in past .
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 10:07:32 PM
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ploydy:
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I think what your sayong is contrdicting. You said in order to catch athletes using peds or what ever there should be a random blood and urine testing, so the cut off days that your saying is non sense and that only proves ur ignorance and stupidity
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 10:07:58 PM
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rasheed514:
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@SALT LOVER
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT COZ WE KNOW YOUR A CHICKEN LOVER... unfortunately for floydie baby, 40m just passed by and for the PACMAN? he doesn;t need that amount of money anyway, he refused to have those kind of testing just becoz we support him not to, understand?... common man, THINK...
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 10:27:15 PM
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AResterio:
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By stating that drug abuse has been rampant in sports for the past 50years, Conte puts into question ALL athletic achievements made in that time period. That will put Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Duran,Foreman, and a lot of boxing greats in question. Not just Pacquiao..@ultimoshogun: Conte's professional opinion suggests that Floyd's 14day window offer is useless..Granting for the sake of argument that Manny is dirty, he could still have teken the 14day offer to shut Floyd up, test clean and then use EPO afterwards.Even the blood test for HGH will prove nothing..BUT STILL, MANNY DID NOT BITE.What does that prove? It proves that the issue with Manny is NOT whether he would test positive or not, because he will surely test CLEAN with a 14-day window. He did not agree to the test because HE DOES NOT WANT TO BOW DOWN TO FLOYD'S DEMANDS.THE FIGHT HAS TO BE ON HIS TERMS AS THE CHAMP...Walk away from $40M?? Manny has $100M in his bank account! Thats 5billion Philippine pesos! He got more money than he can handle in the next 50years! He DOESN'T NEED the money! He can make the same money in 2 fights without sacrificing his pride and honor. He can afford to waste $40M knowing that Floyd will be hit harder coz he's got money problems..Does that make sense now? Manny not ready for Floyd?? Get real..Floyd is on the decline with hand problems, Manny is at the peak of his career..
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 10:51:55 PM
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Fe'Roz:
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EM, With permission I quote Thomas Hauser:
Golden Boy can take the lead on the issue of PEDs in boxing and become a beacon of integrity by requiring its fighters to submit to Olympic-style drug testing before each major fight. And in order to fight on a Golden Boy card (remember; Golden Boy has a lot of dates on HBO), it could require opponents to do the same.
In fact, Golden Boy could start by testing Shane Mosley to protect Shane from unknowingly using PEDs again. It’s interesting how Shane looked very old when he fought Ricardo Mayorga in 2008 and then improved with age when he fought Antonio Margarito in 2009.
And speaking of age; let’s have a round of applause for another Golden Boy fighter; Bernard Hopkins. People talk a lot about what great shape Bernard is in and how remarkable it is that a fighter well into his forties can perform the way he does.
I consider Hopkins a great fighter. Other fighters have moved up in weight and excelled in the manner of Manny Pacquiao. But there is no precedent for a fighter performing as agelessly as Bernard has. I’m aware of no proof whatsoever that Hopkins has used illegal performance enhancing drugs at any time in his career. Of course, to my knowledge, Bernard hasn’t undergone USADA testing.
WBA heavyweight champion David Haye is another Golden Boy fighter. David was a cruiserweight less than two years ago. His body has filled out nicely since then. Very nicely. Now Haye wants to fight Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. Vitali tested positive for a banned substance while training for the 1996 Olympics and was removed from the Ukrainian national team. He later acknowledged using steroids, saying that he had done so after aggravating an old leg injury previously sustained during a kick-boxing bout. Wladimir’s body is even more imposing than Vitali’s.
If Haye fights one of the Klitschko brothers, a Golden Boy-implemented USADA-like testing plan would assure the world that everything is on the up and up.
Will Golden Boy take the lead in across-the-board PED testing?
My guess is that there’s a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope.
But there is something very simple that Golden Boy can do to set an example. It involves the Golden Boy himself.
Oscar De La Hoya can show the world how a righteous PED-free fighter acts. In order to fully inform the public on the issues involved (and remove any hint of suspicion that he himself might not have clean hands) Oscar should waive his right to confidentiality and authorize the Nevada State Athletic Commission to release the results of any tests for performance enhancing drugs that he has taken in the past. The same waiver should authorize all present and past NSAC personnel and any other person with knowledge of the situation to discuss the test results with any media representative who inquires about them.
I’m not talking about Lidocaine (which Oscar acknowledges having taken when he suffered a cut prior to his 2004 fight against Bernard Hopkins). Nor am I talking about creatine (which Lem Satterfield, then of the Baltimore Sun, authoritatively reported that Oscar incorporated into his training regimen in 1999 when he was preparing to fight Felix Trinidad).
I’m talking about the possibility of something more.
Let me even suggest wording for the waiver that Oscar can make public and send to the Nevada State Athletic Commission:
“I, Oscar De La Hoya, hereby waive all right of confidentiality with regard to the past testing of my blood and urine for steroids and other performance enhancing drugs conducted by or on behalf of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. In that regard, I also authorize all present and past Nevada State Athletic Commission personnel and any other person with knowledge of the situation to speak openly with the media about such testing.”
To paraphrase: “C’mon, Oscar. If you have nothing to hide, then do it. It’s only a piece a paper. Just sign the waiver.”
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 12:00:49 AM
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Hey TSS...go to this article" RINGSIDE VIEW: JuanMa, Gamboa, Duddy Get It Done At MSG Jr. " and checkout the strap i had with Mrs Lee...we need to go to the score cards...i just put a whooping on his @$$...Let me know what ya think...holla back!!!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 12:09:04 AM
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blue4cor:
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YOU CAN'T NEVER WIN AGAINST A SMILING MAN. It's hard to handle the truth for those who don't wanna face it. Unfortunately for those who are dead desperate to put Pacquiao down, he is a natural born person with unbelievable power like that. Even the world's best PED makers can not imagine in their wildest imagination where Pacquiao's natural stamina and power is coming from. PED makers are now wondering if they could still sell their stuff if boxers and all athletes all over the world are doing Pacquiao's work ethics nowadays. It's time to move on for the narrow minds. It's time for the narrow minds to accept that there are natural born athletes like Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Usain Bolt, Kobe, Michael Phelps. SET YOUR MIND FREE, ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND YOU WILL HAVE A PEACE IN YOUR HEART.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 01:53:46 AM
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how many times have we heard them say they would only take a teaspoon of blood? They are talking about Olympic drug testing here and they take two (2) vials of blood per sample and at least five (5) times for the fight that would total ten (10) vials of blood per fight!!! a boxer averages 3 fights per year if again total that you'll get Thirty (30) vials of blood. That is approximately 3 Gallons of blood!!!! Unless the NSAC are headed by Vampires they wont do it!!!! And this so called experts are quoted to have said many times that THERE ARE WAYS AROUND THIS BLOOD TEST. So why the heck would anybody do a USELESS blood test that is INTRUSIVE!!!
why are these Americans caught using drugs accusing a Filipino who has never ever tested positive for any illegal substance? ARE THEY JEALOUS OF A FILIPINO to rank as the GREATEST BOXER THAT EVER LIVED?
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 02:03:51 AM
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@lyd. That has been my only sexual comment in recent memory that I remeber, but I understand. It was UNCHRISTIAN of me to type of that kind of vulgarity as I try to usually keep the conversation with more class then that. All who know me know I'm usually better then that. I REPENT of that sin and dragging the conversation into that kind of ugliness and FORGIVE you for insulting me for a fued that had nothing to do with you. I'll stick to standing up against injustice that anyone wants to throw in here or otherwise, but I FORGIVE you or anyone for any wrongdoing against me. Truth be told. I'd have to teach Smiley C a lesson for his arrogance by beating his face in, then I''d give his poor self food, drink and shelter for the night as to immitate what a warrior in CHRIST should do. I guess George Foreman would be a kind of guy I would try to be imitating on this. What do you say Smiley? I'll help you up after the fight and if you're willing, I'll buy you lunch and we can go over a couple of bible verses?
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 02:20:59 AM
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PACQUIAO IS WILLING TO BE TESTED RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT BY BLOOD AND URINE TESTING why it wasn't answered or even mentioned by Conte? or he can't really admit that Pacquiao is clean!!!
He just want something big for his pocket?
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 03:48:47 AM
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CONTE is convicted of PEDS he is like a Demon tempting every aspiring athlete to take PEDS now he wants to be an angel, no way that a demon will become an angel
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 03:53:28 AM
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When can we ever put this behind? I mean Pacquiao HAS moved on and is scheduled to fight Clottey, and Mayweather, well, GBP/Dela Hoya says the negotiation to fight Mosley is “near” completion. This is good for boxing. Cleaning ahletes is good for boxing. But what I don’t understand is why boxing should be cleaned STARTING with Pacquiao.
The problem, is that whenever an article about is written about PED in boxing, some and about the same people starts bringing their old implausible arguments and continue to spread false statements like “Pacquiao refused to be tested”, “walk away from $40M”, “his team realized that he can be beaten”. Fact is he AGREED to be tested. I hope we could stop these arguments and let Pacquio-Clottey and Mayweather-Mosley happen AND THEN….. if it really needed for the sport to be cleaned, let NSAC get Conte or Mayweather SR, for all I care, head the NEW testing procedure FOR EVERYONE.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 04:52:02 AM
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The Trutg:
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You have got to be kidding me. This is no better than letting an inmate hold the keys to the cells.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 06:05:38 AM
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(“Steroids make you tight and pumped-up. You lose speed,” Conte says. “It’s great during the training process because you’re going to build explosive strength, but there after you go back to a normal fluid balance so that you no longer have that tightness. Your flexibility comes back.) What's funny is Manny never loses speed even during training camp and especially during sparing, you can even ask all his sparing partners but for the sake of the argument let say Manny got something in his body. If Floyd jr got the heart of the champion he would still face him no matter what. Mosely is waiting, Manny took Clottey for lesser money and decide not to give Floyd jr a big payday with all his bs so I'm hoping Floyd jr would do the say or would he "duck" Mosely. It would be hilarious if Manny would still get Mosely first after Clottey and after election.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 06:22:32 AM
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When there's more than one people who know the secrete, this secrete won't be longer be a SECRETE. Why Manny would try to keep this? There's always people even among your team members, will sell this secrete to public one day because of he or she's jealous, want to destroy your reputation or simply want to make money with the media.
Unless Pacquiao is taking these s**ts by himself in the dark. I don't think you can run away with this.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 06:43:30 AM
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paw:
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pactards dont like conte coz his explanation of steriods punches holes on pacman's excuses...
if its the other way around and manny was requesting for bloodtest and pbf refused to take it 30 to 24 days before the fight.. all this pactards will back-up conte..
pacfans are zombies!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 06:50:19 AM
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ultimoshogun:
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First of all, you miss quoted what Salt stated....he said Manny refused "RANDOM" blood tests, which is true.....Mayweather's proposal was for both of them to be subjected to the same random blood testing....Manny refused once he bagan to dictate the terms of the testing and demanding a 30 then 24 day cut off before the fight. But like you said, they have both moved on for now so there's no sense in beating a dead horse.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 09:51:00 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Fe'Roz, very good post. I was thinking the same about Hopkins.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 10:29:10 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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Dp69-MisterLee: I had that one a draw guys. Don was ahead 3 points but MisterLee pulled a Marquez boxing his way back. A much anticipated rematch is what TSS is waiting for.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 10:36:31 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@shogun, this is how it started: 1)After Manny beat Cotto Scareweather gave little time for MP to celebrate his win by calling him out. 2)Scareweather sets up a date for March knowing that Manny was pursuing elections which would interfere with his training. 3)A week goes by Scareweather is saying Manny is afraid to fight him. 4)Scareweather's adviser gives Shaefer a proposed contract with NO demand of random blood testing and demand of fighting at 154. 5)Arum approved the contract and flies so fast to the Philippines I could've sworn he used a fighter jet to get there. 6)Manny jumps on the opportunity and signs while the news popped up all over the world. 7)About a week goes by and not a word from Scareweather camp if they agree to the fight. 8)Then they came out with wanting to fight at 154 which was turned down and MP camp countered by the 10 mil penalty if he goes over. 9)Finally he came out with the random blood testing knowing he was getting nowhere with the proposed 154 fight. 10)Pacquiao compromised by being tested before press, 30 days before fight, and after the fight. 11)Scareweather refused. 12)Pac once again compromise to make it 24 days before fight. 13)Scareweather countered back by 14 days before the fight. Now tell me who is making this fight impossible to make?
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 11:23:27 AM
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grego:
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i dont believe on steroid,if you dont have the skills means you are nothing no matter tons of steroid in your body...
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 12:19:08 PM
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SALT lover@ultimoshogun:
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Don't let people confuse you: It was Mayweather Jr and Bob Arum's, BOTH, original plans to have the fight in MAY 1st. And it was Pacquiao who wanted March, cuz of his political endeavours. After Floyd and Arum agreed to the money split, there was a dispute over the date of the fight, remember? There was a dispute over which date they wanted the fight, cuz Floyd wanted May, and Pacquiao said March was the only time he could fight and not later cuz of politics (His country's elections are in May). If Floyd originally wanted the March date, there wouldn't had any dispute over that date. And then after Floyd agreed (Among many things) on the March date, then Roach suddenly appears to say March was not so sure cuz of Pacquiao's ear he wanted healed from the Cotto fight.........See how flawed they pass info aroun' here? If that point, which is the easiest one of all, was so obvious mistaken, there's no doubt all the other points are flawed too in one way or the other. And callin' Floyd "Scareweather" shows the intentions behind it. Careful what you read here, dude. Peace!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 01:20:01 PM
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Kool-Aid@pacfan:
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Are you sure that your facts are 100% accurate? It doesn't really matter at this point because plain and simple that the Olympic-style testing did kill the fight. I really think that he wasn't so sure he was going to win with Pac after watching what he did to Cotto.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 01:20:33 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@shogun, don't let that fanatic confuse you my friend. I will let you know that before the Cotto fight Manny, Arum, and his team stated that he wasn't planning on fighting until the May elections. They said that if a potention fight with Scareweather was to surfaced it would have to be after his elections. If you looked at Boxrec they didn't have a date scheduled for Manny until Scareweather called him out for the March date. He is right though about Roach saying it might be too soon since his ear wasn't healed at the time.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 01:35:43 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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I have said after the failed negotiations that until he signs a fight with Pacquiao or Shane I will no longer call him Scareweather. @kool-aid, I'm 110% sure of my facts bro. Atleast you have some common sense of seeing the right from wrong.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 02:05:15 PM
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laughing hyena:
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i sure do hope mayweather has already moved on! looks like he has not. well, i guess i could be wrong. silence from mayweather does not mean he hasn't moved on yet. silence about the mosley-mayweather fight does not mean it won't happen. Move on floyd! oh, forget about floyd, move on Mosley!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 04:06:49 PM
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Oscar said that he was working with the boxing commissions to institue more stringent rules for drug testing... Oscar said " I fought 2 Ped enhanced boxers and it's dangerous!"
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 04:25:32 PM
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Smiley C:
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Oscar was cross-eyed when he fought Shane Mosley. Mosley hit him so hard that Oscar saw and thought that he was fighting two Sugarmen at once in the ring. He fought the real and clone. He didn't know which one to hit and got his a$$ whipped for attacking the wrong one fo' sure!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 05:19:32 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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DP69 and Mr. Lee was too close to call for me. Put me down for a draw. DP69 had fast hands and a savage attack. He probably snapped more leather in Mr. Lee's face and had a step up on the smack. But Mister Lee set up solid combinations and landed more power shots and clever counters. DP69 smiled like Mr. Lee's body blows didn't hurt and hissed more trash through his mouthpiece. Neither man was ever down or truly wobbled. I'd like to see a rematch with a good referee like The Roast involved, plus full bloodwork on both guys and breathylzer tests before, during and after the fight.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 07:07:43 PM
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@Salt lover Conte's statement has some flaws. He says “Is it suspicious the way (Pacquiao) has gained so much lean muscle mass while retaining and even seemingly improving his power and speed? Yes." Manny has ONLY gained 4-5 lbs since he fought Barrera at Super Featherweight. If you watched his old fights, you'll see that he always had great stamina and was faster when he was fighting at the lower weight classes(ie: featherweight). And how did all this PED rumour started? If you watched the Pacquiao vs. Cotto fight, Maywheather Sr. was interviewed where he stated that he would advise his son against fighting Pacquiao, and that's when he started accusing Pacquiao of taking PED's. I cannot comprehend for the life of me why people would be that easily brain washed into thinking Pacquiao is on PED's when there's no single evidence that he's guilty. Some people just don't use their brains. If Pacquiao had become ripped overnight then I would be convinced he's on something. But this dude trains like an animal and he's always been ripped since he was fighting at the lower weight classes. The obvious reason for me why Maywheather Sr. started all this BS is because he didn't want his son to fight Pacquiao. They belittle Pacquiao saying he's one dimension and how Jr. would wupp his ass but then they go on with this adsurd demand for Olympic style testing to make sure they have a "level playing field" when Pacquiao is a naturally much smaller man!!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 07:13:31 PM
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Nosferatu:
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And one more thing, Pacquiao never stated he was afraid of needles, Arum did. I can't speak for anybody, but when I went for a physical exam I felt a little bit dizzy and weakened after the nurse had drawn a vial of blood from my arm. Now imagine if someone is undergoing intense training and they have to be randomly blood tested at any time anywhere. And Pacquiao pointed out that he believes the reason why he lost to Morales in their first fight was because they took blood from him 2 days before the fight(which may not have been the actual reason but maybe it stuck in his head and now honestly believes that it affected his performance).
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 07:31:15 PM
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SALT lover@Nosferatu:
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I hear you. Those were very nice posts, Nosferatu. Thing is, an athlete's physique and the body chemistry is so complex that either side can debate for enternity about it, and still nobody would convince anybody. There are questions as to how Pacquiao was able to move up in weight so effectively with his body not diminishing in speed and power, and thus always lookin' so ripped. I don't know, or can I say if he usin' steroids. The only thing I can tell is that the whole random blood testin' and backin' out from it, seriously, if I was a boxer at his caliber and level in status, if they bring this to me, I would NEVER back down from it, even if I feel weak, so be it. Michael Phelps was taken blood from him, and then next day he kept breakin' records as if it was nothin', and swimmin' is a HARD sport; it ain't for anybody. You need, speed, stamina, and strength just like boxin' (And who knows if even more). And I agree with you that Mayweather Sr's attitude has been out of line. He's been talkin' a lot when he's in no position to be talkin', and the way he's been like that. I can buy the possibility that he doesn't want his son to fight against Pacquiao for fear, sure, I can buy that. After all, watchin' Pacquiao dismantlin' Cotto and such, there's no way he would like to see his son endin' in the same fate. I remember when he was trainin' De la Hoya, when they brought the possibility to fight Floyd, he said he wouldn't like De la Hoya to KO Floyd, and no wonder why he asked $2.5 Million to De la Hoya in the fight 'The World Awaits'. as a bail out reason. He won't take it if he sees Pacquiao knockin' out his son. I know that, and I accept that; I have no problem acceptin' it. But like I said, there's no better drug detector than TRUTH itself, and this one will never fade away, and will ALWAYS come out. ALWAYS....if Pacquiao indeed is usin' steroids, time will tell and the Truth will scream it loudly to the World. If he isn't, great man, he isn't the dude's for real. And Pacquiao backin' from the random blood tests, have opened a lot of doors for that possibility. Anyways, very pleased to meet you Nosferatu. I't nice to see someone from the Pacquiao side who can talk clearly, and with respect to both Mayweathers and their supporters. Peace, dude! Checkezzzzzzzzz!
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 08:40:52 PM
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Thanks mon! Nice to meet you too. I'm just trying to put the facts out there. If he's indeed guilty it will come out eventually. Refusing to bend to Floyd's demands for Olympic style drug testing can be interpreted by some as being guilty. But for some people it means refusing to be bullied around and standing by your principles. Pacquiao can also claim that even though they would go through the same testing, it would still be a disadvantage for him not only because he is the smaller man but also because of the way he fights(compared to Floyd's pot shots) which requires more energy. Well, if these people are really objective then they only need to look at the facts and they wouldn't be blurting out statements like "How Pacquiao was able to move up in weight so effectively with his body not diminishing in speed and power." I'll repeat again, Pacquiao had only gained 4-5 lbs in over 2yrs. I've worked out for over 6yrs and I know it won't take me a yr. to gain 5 lbs of muscle with proper training and nutrition. When a person has been training for 14 yrs(in Pacquiao's case), even when he takes a break for a couple of months, it won't be hard to regain that muscle back, it's called "muscle memory." Also, it's not like Pacquiao gains a lot of weight when he's not training(he actually looks skinny to me even when he's flexing, unlike that Ricky dude). Look at his previous fights in the lower weight classes and you'll clearly see how he has slowed down.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 10:55:11 PM
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Fe'Roz on the TSS FOTY:
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Don, Mister Lee: As much as I hate for fights to end in the hands of the judges, I had this one a DDQ; a Double Disqualification. For the life of me I can't figure out how neither of you demanded or signed a re-match clause. I know I never saw one. Unless EM removed it from the site. pc
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 11:05:29 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Seriously, everyone serious about this PED issue should read Thomas Hauser's comprehensive article: "Mayweather-Pacquiao, PEDS and Boxing". Google it. Then lets talk.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 11:10:01 PM
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Then Homansky ticks off a list of negative side effects associated with steroid use by men: (1) shrunken testicles, leading to decreased sperm production and impotence; (2) increased cholesterol levels, leading to hardening of the arteries; (3) blood clots, which increase the chance of a heart attack or stroke; (4) kidney disease; (5) liver failure (most commonly from tumors and cysts); (6) hypertension; (7) gynecomastia (enlarged breasts); (8) the weakening of tendons, leading to joint injuries and muscle tears; (9) premature balding; (10) acne; (11) bi-polar, manic-depressive, and delusional behavior; and (12) uncontrollable violent outbursts (known as “roid rage”).
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 11:43:22 PM
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blue4cor @SALT lover:
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In boxing, YOU HAVE TO ENDURE PHYSICAL BEATINGS at the same time maintain your power to counter the strength of your opponent. Why would SALT compare swimming to boxing? I hope we always treat boxing as extremely physical than other sports.Pacquiao had learned his lesson from his 1st fight with Morales. He lost. Pac would be too stpd if he let himself fall in the same trap. What can you say also about Mosley's all out willingnes to subject himself to all form of blood test to to ensure he gets this fight with Floyd? We don't hear any response from the Mayweather's camp. It goes to show that this blood demand is a mere ploy. Should Mayweather step up and fight Mosley, and the fight materializes and nothing harm happens as a result of the blood drawing, I myself and and I believe his millions will persuade Pacman. In the meantime, Pacquiao-Clottey ticket is selling like only a handful of fans believe Pac is on steroids. I still want Pac and Floyd clash and honestly believe PBF is the only one capable of ending Pac's winning streak. That's what makes it interesting but in between that, negotiation must be fair to booth and not only one person's demand must be followed. Good day to you. Just giving my honest opinion, SALT.
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 12:22:29 AM
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temper proof:
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Why did Vargas and Mosley failed the urine test if urine test weren't that effective? Holler!!!!!!!
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 01:03:12 AM
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Isaiah:
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@Temper proof. WELL SAID MAN! WELL SAID! THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! MANNY PACQUIAO IS OBVIOUSLY INNOCENT OF ANY WRONGDOING.
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 01:29:00 AM
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Isaiah:
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To fight Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather will have to inject most of his Xylocaine somewhere, but I bet it won't be his hands. BUCK, BUCK, KENDUCKY FLOYD! Will that even be enough to get the courage to fight a LEGIT threat? HA! I'll believe Floyd is fighting Shane Mosley when the bell goes ding, the fighters meet in the ring and they start to swing.
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 05:07:40 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Fe'Roz, I just Goggled it and I didn't know they added parts to it. The one I read before wasn't that long. I think I read the one from BoxingScene. It has everything you want to know in that piece.
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 01:53:50 PM
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Anony:
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A CHEATER KNOWS WHO CHEATS BETTER THAN NOBODY ELSE...
Friday Jan 29, 2010 08:10:32 AM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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