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There's No Sudden Infusion Of Power Or Punch Resistance In Pacquiao
By Frank Lotierzo
With former Oakland Athletics/St. Louis Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire recently admitting he used PEDs during the 1998 MLB season in which he hit a record setting 70 home-runs, steroids and HGH have dominated sports pages and the Internet. Three years after McGwire hit 70 home-runs San Francisco Giants outfielder Barry Bonds broke his record and hit 73 home-runs, a record that still stands in 2010. Bonds has never admitted to taking PED's - but due to his body seemingly transforming from Matthew Saad Muhammad to Mike Weaver overnight, Bond's has been under the suspicion that he like McGwire was aided by HGH/PEDs.
The year before Bonds hit 73 home-runs he hit 49, then hit 46, 45 and 45 in the three subsequent years after hitting 73. Obviously something good happened to Bonds in 2001. Which is sort of what Floyd Mayweather Jr. has insinuated with his accusations that Manny Pacquiao is boxings' version of Barry Bonds. However, if you believe Pacquiao has been aided by PEDs, his performances circa 2004-09 don't bear that out.
The Mayweather faction insinuates that Pacquiao's durability/punch-resistance and punching power have been magnified due to his use of some form of steroids or PEDs. The problem is the evidence pointing to him taking an illegal substance is devoid when placing his record under the microscope.
The thought that any form of HGH/PED gives a fighter more punch resistance is only believed by those who've never been exposed to fighters in the gym and associated with them during their day to day lives. Some reading this will know exactly what I'm talking about and others will make their determination based moreso on what they want to believe or what fits their agenda. I know it's a touchy subject and the so-called experts and sports medicine scholars differ on PEDs depending on who you talk to. I'm coming from an actuality vantage-point.
Maybe steroids help athletes in other sports but there's not one known case where a professional fighter benefited by taking them, especially a non-heavyweight. I know fighters who I will never name that experimented with many different types of supplements and steroids looking to gain an edge in the ring. In most cases they were hoping to gain some power. And every one of them regressed as a fighter. If they gained anything it was mental - but even at that they lost something else as a result of it.
Pacquiao's chin and ability to take a punch:
Pacquiao was stopped early in his career by Rustico Torrecampo in the third round in 1996, when he was 17 years old and still not even a young man. Three years after that he was stopped for the second and last time in the third round by Medgoen Singsurat and lost his flyweight title. Five months later in his next fight he weighed in at 122, ten pounds more than he did for Singsurat. So it's not a reach to believe that he was weakened by making the flyweight limit as a 20 year old. Forget about Pacquiao's chin being suspect and aided by some type of PED/HGH. He's filled out and matured over the last 10 years since Singsurat and his chin has never betrayed him or been an issue of concern.
In March of 1963 Henry Cooper would've knocked out the just turned 21 year old Cassius Clay had his left-hook landed early in the fourth round instead of right at the bell ending it. What would've happened if Joe Frazier's massive left hook from his first fight with Ali in 1971 hit the young Clay of 1963? Clay would've gone to sleep and had been counted out! Only Clay filled out and matured physically in between 1963-71. And no one has ever questioned Ali's chin or accused him of injecting steroids at any point during his 20 plus year career.
Bottom line is Pacquiao's chin and punch resistance get the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
Pacquiao's Power:
In regards to Manny Pacquiao's punching power, if it's been aided by any type of supplements or HGH, perhaps he may want to find a new supplier and get his money back. Sure Pacquiao can really hit, but it's not like he's on the level of a Thomas Hearns, Julian Jackson, Alexis Arguello or even Michael Spinks, who not only scored more one-punch knockouts than Manny, but did so with both hands. Pacman's finishing punch is his left-cross exclusively.
In 2004 fighting as a featherweight he had Juan Manuel Marquez down three times in under two minutes and couldn't keep him down. Ten months later fighting as a super-featherweight/junior lightweight he hit Erik Morales for 12-rounds and didn't stop him and lost the fight. When they fought a rematch 10 months later at the same weight he had to work him over for 10-rounds before the fight was stopped. They met in a rubber match again ten months later and Pacquiao stopped a washed up Morales in three rounds, but it wasn't a one punch blitz and it still required him to hit Morales countless times before the fight was halted.
In April of 2007 Jorge Solis made it to the eighth round before he was stopped. Six months later a glove shy Marco Antonio Barrera went the distance with Pacquiao after making it to the 11th round with him the first time they met. In Pacquiao's next fight Marquez went the distance with Pacquiao again - and despite being down once went on to lose a controversial decision.
In his next bout Pacquiao fought lightweight David Diaz and stopped him in the ninth round, which is one more round than it took Kendall Holt to do it. Six months later Pacquiao met a drained 145 pound corpse named Oscar De La Hoya. Finally after giving Oscar a ceaseless pummeling for eight rounds and hitting him at will but never staggering or putting him down, De La Hoya didn't come out for the ninth round.
Pacquio's upset of De La Hoya set up his next fight against Ricky Hatton who was viewed as perhaps the top junior welterweight in boxing at the time. Pacquiao's speed and unorthodox angles made Hatton a sitting duck for Manny's right hook. Pacquiao dropped Hatton twice in the first round and in the second round Pacquiao put Hatton away for good with one massive hybrid left to the chin.
Six months later Pacquiao had target practice on 145 pound welterweight Miguel Cotto for the better part of 12-rounds. Despite having Cotto down twice early in the fight, Miguel took the Pacman's Sunday best but never went down again. Finally in the 12th-round, in which the determined Cotto probably would've finished the fight on his feet, the fight was stopped.
Hatton and Cotto both suffered devastating knockouts before fighting Pacquiao at the hands of Mayweather and Margarito. So it's not a reach to assume both Ricky and Miguel had a little taken out of them before facing Manny. And the reality is Hatton is Pacquiao's only one punch knockout victim in a big fight.
Like Pacquiao, everyone talks about Rocky Marciano's one-punch knockout power. But the reality is Jersey Joe Walcott was the only big time heavyweight Rocky iced with one punch. The other stoppage wins he scored as champ came from an accumulation of punches. Maybe it's a fair question to ask whether or not Pacquiao and Marciano were truly one punch life-takers like a Thomas Hearns or Max Baer?
After viewing Pacquiao's record against elite opposition, Ricky Hatton is the only upper-tier fighter that he's stretched with one punch. Not to mention Hatton is a face first attacker who was coming in and got caught as flush and clean on the chin as you'll ever see one fighter catch another.
It also can be said that Floyd Mayweather--certainly not known for being a big puncher, and it may have taken him longer but-- Floyd did knock Hatton loopy with a single left-hook. An overwhelming majority of Pacquiao's knockouts have come as a result of his fast hands that land from undetectable angles coupled with his accuracy. Pacquiao is now an excellent two handed puncher - but not a life-taker who ices his opponents with a single blow.
A lot of fighters try to shrink themselves down to the lowest weight they can in order to maintain their strength and power. They fear they'll leave their punch down in the lower division and often times that's been the case when they move up. But sometimes getting down so low weakens their body and they'd be better off moving up to the next division to where their body isn't drained. In the case of Pacquiao - it's looks as if his body has benefited due to him not cutting so much weight along with him becoming a more well rounded fighter and two handed puncher.
I'd also suggest going back and looking at what Pacquiao weighed in at for his fights with Barrera and Morales, and then see how much heavier he was on the night of the fight. He entered the ring as a welterweight a day after making the junior lightweight limit. It's very plausible he was draining himself to make weight moreso than it is that he's on HGH or any type of steroid or PED.
Pacquiao's Stamina:
Pacquiao has always been a high volume puncher who fought at an extremely fast pace. He's never looked tired or as if he was hanging on because he was tiring down the stretch of his title fights going back to his tenure as a featherweight. And no one questioned his stamina or suggested he was being aided by any form of HGH/PED back then. At this time it's quite a reach to suggest his terrific stamina and energy are the result of anything other than his incredible work in the gym during his preparation for his bouts. His stamina has always key asset and weapon for him.
If Manny Pacquiao is injecting or swallowing anything illegal, I don't see the evidence where its aided his power and/or chin in an unnatural way nor his stamina. It's just not there!
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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SALT lover:
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XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So that still lingers in your mind Lotierzo, Hehehehehehehehe! Man, what you would do if that turns out real? I mean think about it. Think about that for a moment. Where are you gonna put your face if it's proven that Pacquiao indeed was usin' steroids and all he has done was a fraud? What are you gonna write next? You and the rest of the Paclovers/FANATICS can write all sorts of physical theories about the things you just wrote all you want, but that is not gonna take out the doubts Pacquiao himself created by refusin' to submit to blood testin'. And now the only way for you Paclovers/FANATICS to relief yourselves from that horrible POSSIBILITY is by bringin' that DUMB, childish argument of the Xylocaine with Floyd's hands XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Somethin' Floyd admitted doin' on HBO almost a decade ago in front of the cameras. Would Pacquiao or anybody admit he was usin' steroids in front of a TV? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course not! I read Pacquiao himself cannot get this out of his mind neither; that must've either hurt, or scared him. Seriously, I think if he's usin' steroids, there could be possible that he doesn't know it, and Roach, or any other member of his camp knows it. As far as the comparison between the two bands (Floyd's and Pacquiao's), the Pacquiao side is the most in danger: If he's clean, then he's clean, and the Mayweathers were wrong, whatever. I'm not sayin' he is usin' anythin', I'm sayin' there's a possibility. But if HE is usin' them, boy what a shame it would be. A TREMENDOUS disaster for him and his supporters, includin' you. Anyways, I thought this was out of your system, but I can see that kept you thinkin'. Man, you are EXACTLY the same as the Paclovers in this comment section.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:35:16 PM
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The Saint:
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I think it's just time to put this whole PED accusation to rest. It's unfortunate that Pacquiao filed a lawsuit. He had the right to but it's going to make a future fight with Mayweather more difficult to make (then again it could become a bargaining chip during the negotiations). Mayweather just needs to forget about enforcing the random blood testing on Pacquiao. Mayweather just needs to believe in himself and fight Pacquiao. I think Mayweather Jr. didn't really intend for the negotiations to end this way. I don't think he really knew what he wanted out of his demands. I think Mayweather got caught up with what his dad started and got carried away with his ego. He just got into deep with this issue that he would look defeated if he backed out of it, so he's sticking with it. If Mayweather could rewind time I believe that he would ditch the whole PED issue and just allow the fight to be made. All trash talk aside, I think Mayweather does care about his legacy and he'd really like to find out how he would fare against Pacquiao. I think Mayweather really regrets having pushed the blood testing issue because he truly needs Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needs him. I don't think Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao at all, and I think he's man enough to be able to deal with defeat should he lose to a fighter as highly regarded as Pacquiao. I just don't understand why Floyd has so much disdain towards Pacquiao when Pacquiao has always spoken highly of him and never said anything demeaning before this whole fiasco.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:40:43 PM
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Renetjd:
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Well explained, i hope the Team Mayweather read your article and work on the deal that the whole world is waiting and wanting to see " The Big One ". Pacquiao vs Mayweather. Thank you very much for your informative article.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:41:14 PM
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Manboobs the great:
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Man your just a Floyd Hater!!! Just kidding Frank. ;) I've always said the same thing about Pacs alleged power. He overwhelms people with speed and shots they dont see coming. Malanagi even scored a knock down before with an arm punch, mainly because Lovemore ( I think thats who it was) didnt expect it or see it coming. Now go write something that doesnt include Floyd or Pac. Gettin sick of hearing about those guys.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:47:20 PM
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boxingfan:
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Well said article.
Salt Lover, wake up, dude.
Manny Pacquiao is, to simply put, so good that Mayweather like people just cannot stand and accuse out of jealousy. By doing so, they will very soon have to face huge backfire that will forever link their name in boxing history as jokes. When someone is good, you just have to accept, praise, appreciate and be inspired. But losers like Mayweather and public who don't have common sense just like you only look for false accusation, so that you can get some limelight that the guy like Manny is enjoying. Stop this nonsense, and get a life. Get a common sense, please. All those medicines and drugs DO NOT ENHANCE BOXING ABILITY, including punching power. If this is the case, then you better investigate and accuse ALL STRONG BOXERS, BEGINNING WITH SUGAR RAY ROBINSON, will do you that, fool?
Get a job and don't waste your time to create false accusations against a good man like Manny Pacquiao.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:10:50 PM
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Blaine G:
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Innocent until proven guilty. But if you fail to defend yourself, you definitely raise the level suspicion. Blow a chance to earn 40 million plus, by rebuking random drug testing? In a recent interview Pacquiao was asked why he wouldn't agree to the testing and Pacquiao danced around it. The interviewer also reiterated to him that the 14 day window of testing would not affect him. (He gave eluded to athletes who underwent random testing, Once again Pacquiao danced around lt). Without a logical explanation, he left the door wide open for speculation. I'm not saying that he is guilty, but?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:14:47 PM
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Jason:
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It's amazing that this Pacquiao PED issue has come this far, given that the genesis of all this was none other than Floyd Mayweather Sr, a guy whose reputation is lower than crocodile pi$$. Isn't Roger getting ready to stand trial on a domestic violence rap? Hasn't Floyd beaten up more women outside of the ring than men in the ring? the Mayweathers are bile. They are lower than raw sewage. And I'm not even saying this from the standpoint of a Pacquiao rah-rah guy, which I'm not, just as an objective boxing observer. It's just unreal. ----- Regarding Barry Bonds, I thought that he did testify to using the clear/cream to the Grand Jury, but said it didn't work, or some other nonsense? Barry Bonds' head grew 50%. He's a disgrace, just like McGwire, who should have said yes, it absolutely helped me. It made me stronger, faster, gave me a mental edge, allowed me to heal more quickly, increased my bat speed, and most importantly, put me on the field, because without them, I'd have been retired or played about 90 injury-plagued games. ----- I'm guessing that Xylocaine is banned for Olympic use. I haven't looked that up, but if it's banned by 49 states, with far less stringent guidelines, then I'm guessing you can't use it in Olympic competition. I would respond to EVERYTHING Floyd with one word, Xylocaine. And I'd also have unlimited copies of the Mayweather clan's rap sheet, for each one of those pieces of garbage. I'd pass it out at every press gathering as well as shirts that say Xylocaine. This would shut Floyd up, I promise you.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:21:51 PM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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You know, it's interestin' you bring up the problems that the Mayweathers had (Somehthin' Paclovers rely on to defend their idol; I'm not sayin' you are but....), there's only one problem: ALL the problems they had outside the ring does NOT have nothin' to di with the sport of boxin'. Mayweather Sr's drug problems, Roger Mayweather's problems outside with the female boxer, Floyd's problems with his women, and all that, NONE have to do with boxin', and that's somethin' outside the sport. Inside the sport they live for, they pretty clean and they don't cheat. The closest thing about "cheatin" is the whole Xylocaine, but eveb Floyd said he used it on HBO live, so that isn't a big deal. That is NOTHIN' compared to 'roids, wouldn't you agree?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:28:19 PM
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SALT lover:
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*but even Floyd said he used it on HBO
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:28:53 PM
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ric rayos:
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Pacman has the will to win for boxing and not afraid to lose. Mayweather has the will to win for money but afraid to lose. Both are coloured boxers, race is not an issue nor personal. History will show and prove who is the better fighter and boxer, but now, Pacman is heading Mayweather by balls. Good Luck to both boxers.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:30:39 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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They(Scareweather Jr., Sr., and GBP) may not have found evidence linking Pacquiao taking any illegal substance but that wasn't really their intentions. Manny filing a law suit isn't going to fix what has already been damaged. That's Manny's reputation and career. Far behind the dark shadows, they(",", and ") are laughing out loud knowingly they won the battle(outside the ring). This only shows that his fans will believe he just didn't want to fight a cheater. For them Scareweather is a perfectionist(ability to avoid opponents without making it look it he ducked them).
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:43:52 PM
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Gold Standard:
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A very good article which brings out some important points. Pacquiao's weight gains are completely natural and he is obviously a dedicated trainer in the gym. He, like Roberto Duran, moved up in weight successfully and maintained strength and power without being a 1 punch life taker. Mayweather is the one who started this nonsense and there is no way he decides that the standards for boxing change. Pac did agree, although he isnt required to a blood test to be done within a week of announcing the fight and again right after the fight so its wrong to say he refused.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:44:10 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Salt, then why did most of you Pachaters bring up Manny being a religious man and being accused of cheating on his wife as proof to why he isn't so innocent?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:48:01 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Salt, you said that the closest thing to cheating is the Xylocaine. He did use it and that's what matters. Not because he admitted it. He was seeking a plea bargain from the public and that's what he received. Leniency(spell correct if wrong). Why accuse some for cheating when he is guilty himself?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:53:23 PM
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Jason @ SALT:
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I do agree SALT, but only to an extent, my friend. Here's where I differ: Floyd Sr attacked Manny Pacquiao's INTEGRITY by launching the baseless PED accusations that have now reached an unimaginative crescendo. Pacquiao has never been caught. Now, in today's world, I don't give ANY man the benefit of the doubt, at least in the recesses of my mind, and that includes Jeter and Griffey in baseball. But, without having tested positive, it's an unfair low-blow against Pacquiao's integrity, which in my opinion, makes Floyd's assaults on women fair game. It's attacking his integrity as a man. And remember, before Floyd's fight with Corrales, HE attacked Corrales as being a wife beater! My point is this: If a guy is going to hit me with low blows, especially red herrings, I'm going to counter, at some point, with low blows. And last thing, if Pacquiao had beaten up women, I'd BET MY LIFE that Mayweather would play that card, just like he did with Corrales. ----- My point with Xylocaine is this: If it's banned for use in the Olympics (which I presume it is, although I haven't confirmed that, I'm just extrapolating from its being illegal in 49 states), and Floyd is requiring Olympic-style testing and a strict adherence to Olympic guidelines, then Xylocaine should be OUT. You can't mandate Olympic testing, and in the same breath, say it's ok for Xylocaine, because Nevada allows it. Floyd's the one that's saying Nevada is inadequate, except for the Xylocaine! He wants it both ways here. ----- But yes, as for Xylocaine being tantamount to an anabolic steroid, you're right, it's not as potent. But it's on the PED list, rightly or wrongly, fairly or unfairly. ----- Maybe Pacquiao should have agreed to all that testing. I don't know. I'm torn morally here. It just sets an ugly precedent. Let's say one accuses a teacher of being a pedophile. People would be outraged! They'd remember the accusation. But then let's say he's proven innocent, the retraction is too late. The damage is done. The guy is forever pegged a pedophile, by some at least. It's an egg that cannot be unscrambled. I don't know, I'm ranting. Too much java today. ----- One last thing, Floyd never mentioned the PED issue on Joe Buck Live. Not a peep. If he was SO passionate about all of this, he'd have said it in that setting. He never mentioned it. Not once. ----- I know you think I may be a closet Pacquiao guy, and that's ok, but I'm here to tell you I'm not. I like him, am a fan, think he's good for boxing, but if his role was reversed with Floyd I'd be saying these things of Pacquiao. And in fact, I'm picking Clottey to win by late stoppage on 3/13 (I think Clottey has a monumentally better beard than Cotto, and thus much more leather will be exchanged and felt by Pacquiao). That said, go put your life savings on Pacquiao because my picks generally suck, at least the last couple of years they have. But it's all good man. I always look forward to reading your perspective.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:00:05 PM
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Dick Trump:
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Hahahahahahahaha people with their own agenda! I'm not talking about you Frank coz you're right about every single thing that you said. The Floyd nutswingers will always be there to ruin the day. Welcome to the neighborhood.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:02:48 PM
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merv sacks:
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This is an article that makes sense. Now, not because American sports personalities are cheaters means everyone in the world cheats also. Most "CHEATERS" come from America anyway. That being said, people outside America tries to make it to the top by using hardwork and perseverance, not drugs. Cheaters hates cheaters, that is why the Mayweather is afraid that the Pacman could cheat him. Mayweather cheated Marquez on the weigh-in the last time around did he not?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:12:29 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Jason, very good point. I like the pedophile example and may I add that a pedophile is forever looked as a sex offender. Not just by some by ALL.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:14:30 PM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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Hehehehehehe, I hear you. I really don't go with the argument that one guy has never been caught, because tht doesn't mean he's not guilty. Before Pacquiao's refusal to take random blood tests I would say not a chance that he's on somethin', but after that the possibilities are wide open. I just don't see any reason why in the World not prove you're innocent with the BEST anti-dopin' procedure in the World. Urine tests are INCOMPETENT today, and Mosley's will always be the top example for that. About Xylocaine, my point is, Floyd said he used them on TV, so what? Xylocain is NOT a big deal. The difference I brought between them was not technical that one is better than the other, the difference is on the fact that if somebody's usin' Xylocaine is not somethin' bad; everybody knows Floyd's usin' it, is that damagin' him on any way? NO it ain't. Not comapred to if he was caught with steroids. But if somebody's usin' steroids, that would be a DISASTER to that person's career and legacy. But Xylocain? XD!!!!!!! PLEASE, that's nothin'. And yes, Pacquiao should've agreed to the random testin', that weak my body argument ain't foolin' critical thinkin' people. Somebody mentioned that Michael Phelps was taken blood durin' the events in Beijing, and the next day he broke records, and swimmin' works EVERY part of the body includin' strength and cardio, so what's the big deal? It's not like they're gonna take out two liters of blood, and nobody that I can remember have ever refused for blood testin's cuz of feelin' weak. And Floyd's Joe Buck's show, well, Floyd just knows where and when he can say what he's gonna say., I guess......and about the Corrales beef XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was funny, that's just mind games. Floyd loves to trash talk, and he's the best in boxin' doin' that right now. The man can get to your head with ease. It's funny cuz Floyd called him a wife beater, and Corrales said he hit his own father, and they both each did the same thing they were accusin' the other, with Floyd hittin' his women many times later, and Corrales shovin' his dad after he threw the towel against Floyd HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:18:29 PM
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Matthew:
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Excellent analysis. It's been said by other writers (especially Doug Fischer) that for years Pacquiao was having to dry out to make 126 and 130, when in fact he was probably a natural 140 or 147 pounder. His fight-night weights seem to bear this out. Gaining 10 lbs or more from weigh-in to fight night is usually a strong indication that a fighter is really having to cut weight. Few people mention that Mayweather and Pacquiao both weighed 106 lbs at age 16 or 17 (Mayweather was an amateur while Pacquiao was a pro) and both are now welterweights. Both fighters went through the same weight classes over the same span, yet nobody seems to accuse Mayweather of PEDs. It's just the natural process of the body maturing. Until anyone shows up with concrete evidence that Pacquiao took any PEDs, he is clean.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:18:47 PM
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Mountain God:
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yep no evidence except making Floyd look like a second class boxer is the only thing Pac is guilty of, Floyd had to do something because there is a new sheriff in the boxing kingdom all the accusation are becase of jealousy
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:26:22 PM
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Jason:
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No doubt SALT, just because someone has never tested positive doesn't mean he's clean. I'm with you all the way on that. But it also doesn't make him guilty. Unfortunately, all that you can go on are his previous tests, as inadequate as they may have been. In fact, Floyd has never tested positive either, and maybe, just maybe, he's on 'roids too. After all, Rafael Palmeiro looked pretty convincing. But you make good points, especially reagrding Floyd and Xylocaine. But maybe, just maybe, he talks openly about that just like McGwire, when he conveniently left a bottle of androstenedione in plain view of reporters as a clever ploy to distract from his use of the more sinister stuff. Reporters could then say, "Oh, yes, the andro, I got it. It's considered doping by everything but MLB, and that must be the reason you have acne on your tongue and feet."
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:41:00 PM
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Jason:
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Well said Matthew.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:41:39 PM
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The Watcher:
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In 2008 Manny weight 129 against Marquez and then jumped in a 13 month span to 142. That's a big jump to do and stay solid, that's what most people are thinking about and not his early years. To ad he is still moving up in weight...
All I know is for $40 Million you can accuse me of anything you want, just
"SHOW ME THE MONEY!"
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:45:24 PM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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I read ya. I respect your opinion, dude. Nice writin'
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:46:12 PM
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box already:
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Only one reason the mega-fight did not happen:
- Mayweather don't want it to happen.
He love the $40 million but not the punishment he will receive and he is too scared to loose the ZERO.
When Mayweather think he can win against somebody popular the negotiation will not be a problem. He under-estimated Pacquiao, he thought Pacquiao is too small to beat him, but after Hatton and Cotto, he got scared he realized his mistake. The blood-testing is his ticket out.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:17:10 PM
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the last marine:
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The US has the Nevada State Athletic Commission to do this drug testing. They have their rules. Pacquiao follows it.
If they want to have an Olympic-type blood testing, let NSAC adopt that rule and then, and only then, will Pacquiao or any boxer do it. Otherwise, shut your stinkin' mouths.
Why will he do it if only Mayweather says so? Who the fvck is Mayweather to lay his rules on his opponents?
Look at the cheating she did on Marquez! Fvckin' xylocaine user accusin' others of the things he does. Results of inbreeding.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:27:43 PM
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Radam G:
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Awesome copy, Superfightscribe F-Lo! You weaved a pugilistic masterpiece, and in a metaphoric shot -- that can be heard through this Universe -- wounded those who haven't been in or around the game won't understand or accept a word that you scribed because of their own agendas and mudholedness. A mudholed or a fish-bowled person has no eyesight, insight or foresight in climbing out of either situation. They want to stay in that mudhole while non-caring people above 'em on paradise-like terrain urinate and defecate on the mudholedites' heads and world, giggle their arses off while telling the mudholedites that it is raining and hailing. In the fish-bowl existence those waterheads look outside it, but can't see outside it because of their conditioning. They let the non-caring people outside in an ocean of broadness keep 'em naive and dolphin-trained, give-them-a-fish-for-a-trick following. I cannot hate Money-short May, I'm a BIG-TIME boxing FAN of Family May. They are my boys, straight-up! And they say -- like you and I know already -- "It is all 'bout bitnezz. And if muthafu*kaz wanna be fooled, dat $hit be on 'em! Ain't dey daddy or dey teacha! Bleep bleep bleep bleep bleep I got mo' money den all 'em teachaz and fu*kin' fan put togetha.' F*ck ya_____! Ya make money yo way, we do dat $hit our way." And it not like it is hard to get ahold of Mayweathers' interviews and comments. It is like they have said. "Man, my peeples ain't gon' believe dat $hit. Dey gonna do wha' I tell 'em ta do and ya can bet on dat $hit." About that, the May Family is righteously RIGHT! No boxing U.S. journalists are going to touch the whole truth and thinking of Lil' Floyd or his family. The two U.S. boxing scribes who woulda, coulda, shoulda done that are deceased. They are probably behind those Pearly Gates scribing about the angels battling Satan and his evilites and laughing about how Family May is impersonating Peter the Pipers and leading its Urban___, Ebon___ and fanfaronades on that cliff. Holla!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:35:59 PM
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ferdi calderon:
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the only way i will be convince that pacquiao is on steroids is when he ko or tko wladimir klistchko or the great vitali klistchko.
thank you.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:37:48 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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See now he aint responding, he only replies back to arguments he is capable of winning. He always does this when he has nothing to respond back with.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:41:06 PM
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El MAROMERO:
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i doubt he uses steroids but I don't agree that he didn't want to take the random blood tests no closer than two weeks before the fight. All the other top welterweights will most likely agree to the test for a fifth of what Manny was going to get and it will make Manny look bad. Even if I was a hardcore Manny fan I would rather that he took the tests and try to shut up Floyd with an a$$ whooping.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:43:29 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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The first sign of a true hater: Tearing Down others with Malice. And No Evidence. Once those symptoms appear, read with caution.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:51:52 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@El MA, of course the other welters would agree to any type of testing just to get a chance of a big paycheck. Mosley was willing to go down to 140 to fight Pac which explains why he is willing to be sucked out of blood anytime. This would only make MP look bad by his critics but it only takes one to damage him so it's very crucial. I would love for him just to go ahead with the test but I have to go with what he believes. He has proof and it showed at the first Morales fight.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:03:40 PM
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El MAROMERO @ salt & #1 pacfan:
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u guys need each other to keep this site interesting
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:04:54 PM
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laughinh hyena:
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salt lover: at least these people have physical theories that are sound, whereas you don't have one. Your theory of pacquiao refusing test, do you consider that sound? I agree with you there will always be doubt to some people due to mayweather camp's accusation, or shall i say amazement of pacquiao's accomplishments. if they are not amazed, are they jealous, if not, what is it? see, these so called physical theories says pacquiao is not the only one and he is not the first one. let me tell you a sound argument for refusing test: my arm is sore for 1-2 days when blood is drawn from me for testing. roach recently just said pacquiao is weakened for 2 days when blood is drawn from him. don't you think 2 days off from your training make a difference? what if there are 3 tests, make that 6 days. forget about the fear of needles. Pacquiao didn't say that. That rumor came from TIm Smith of New York Times who reported about the email tha Atlas was talking about. Look at that man, if the fear-of-needle was a manufactured rumor, what can you say about the email? both from the same man!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:06:55 PM
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ethan:
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To all KFC Fans
Who has the history of being a cheater on scales?
Who has the history of being a criminal?
Who has the history of using illegal substance banned in 49 states?
Who's family has a history of Drug Trafficking and Drug Abuse?
If your answer is Floyd then you have no reason to doubt Manny.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:07:02 PM
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Ricky:
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It's hilarious how these stupid morons keep on saying "pacquiao didn't wanna take the drug test". are they blind or deaf or something? how did they miss that pacquiao accepted the drug test...only not to 14 days? someone please tell these idiots that pacquiao did not..i repeat..DID NOT refuse to take the drug test. NOT AT ALL!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:07:12 PM
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Badong:
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PED, HGH does not make you a two-handed puncher and make you throw punches from various angles. It does not teach you to go in and out and make lateral movements and it won't transform you from a one-dimensional to a complete fighter. Paquiao was born with both power and speed on his hands and an athletic prowess not endowed to all men. He is a natural and was born to be a boxer.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:07:30 PM
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mike:
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Nice article. I am pacquiao avid fan and a filipino.We cann't control ones mind! They have freedom to choose.I admire also Floyd as a Technical boxer. But let me emphasized this, if you have a research about visayan in origin in the philippines. generally they are very strong, compact and sturdy.just researched what they eat everyday. We eat rice three times a day. These visayan/mindanaoans sometimes they have mixture of rice and maize.it sounds primitive in westerners but if you seen the diet of manny . loads of carbohydrates and natural protein. this is Boxing sports of gentleman.Dont let us divide regarding race.We are one HUMAN RACE.ALL THE BEST!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:10:10 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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Tim Smith who is a sports columnist for the New York Daily News was a no-show at Pacquiao-Clottey NY press conference. This guy should be fired for making up such a ridiculous story. If you guys didn't know Tim Smith was the one who reportedly said that he received an e-mail from Pac camp asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty and also if dirty results could be kept secret so that the integrity of the sport wouldn’t be ruined in the public eye. He didn't want to face Manny because he knows that sh*t was made up.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:10:57 PM
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rICKY:
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@SALT lover...you need to add more salt in your sawdust-filled head!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:11:09 PM
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Ghary:
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To SALT lover:
Is there a possibility that Pacquiao is using PED? is the wrong question to ask because it is a loaded question. It is like asking the same question to Mayweather, is it possible that Mayweather is using PED? There is no way for us to tell without changing the NSAC drug testing regulations. One thing I can tell you is that Pacquiao was just tested and have been tested for PED and everytime he fights and he always comes out negative.
So, why are you worried if he is using? It's like worrying whether there will be a big earthquake in CA so let's pack everything and move to east coast now before the earthquake hits.
Then you ask, why doesn't Pacquioa submit to random drug testing?
1. Because it is not required by NSAC, it's like any other professional sports, you don't change to rules in the middle of the game. Every athletes have to abide by the current rules and regulations of their sport implemented by the organizing bodies in-charge of the sport. If the athletes don't like the rules and regulations, they should petition and go to the proper channel to change the rules/regulations.
2. The Pacquiao vs Mayweather is fighting for WBO Title Belt which is currently hold by Pacquiao. This means that Mayweather is the challenger. Where and when in the long term of sports of boxing have you seen where the challenger in this case Mayweather is the one not requesting but enforcing additional rules/regulations currently non-existence in professional boxing. I say, more power to Pacquiao for sticking it to Mayweather by saying \\\\\\"FU Mayweather, I'm the current champion, you are the challenger and that's that. You don't set the rules/regulation you abide by them. You should be thankful that I'm giving you a shot at my belt. I'd rather you say thank you Mr. Pacquiao and lets move on with the fight.\\\\\\"
As for this article, I respectfully disagree with his opinions on Pacquiao with regards to Pacquiao's power. Out of his 50 wins, he K/O 38 boxers. 6 of these boxers are potential Boxing Hall of Fame, what does that tell you? Pacquiao has power. I suggest you watch Pacquiao's debastating K/O punch on youtube (Manny Pacquiao's Greatest Knockouts!!(Remember the Name) and tell me again that Pacquiao don't have power...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:11:46 PM
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El MAROMERO:
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my fault not just any welter but just about any prizefighter in the history of the sport would have took those tests. Nate Campbell said he would have let them pull hairs from his nut$ for all that money. Manny was put in a tough spot though and he really took it to the heart
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:15:19 PM
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to Blaine G.....i tell you something,if all that interview that Manny dance around,if thats was done on hes own dialect called Bisaya he would have answer it the right way...remember Manny only starting to learn English recenly...next time they should question him using Bisaya and have someone translate it in english....like the spanish speaking boxer they always have someone to translate for them..
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:16:43 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@El MA, well yeah, anybody in their right mind would even if it raised 1% of their earning. That's why it's called prizefighting. Manny has millions and those guys don't. It's like saying Floyd oops I mean Scareweather, taking on lesser opponents because he has all the money in the world. "Why would Manny risk losing when they take blood while why would Scareweather risk losing to dangerous opponent earning less when you can make more with a lesser opponent."
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:25:11 PM
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@El MAROMERO: "Nate Campbell said he would have let them pull hairs from his nut$ for all that money." That's funny man! I think he'd let them WAX it little by little as well. ----- @#1 PacFan, I've been waiting to hear from Tim Smith, and more importantly, Teddy Atlas (due to his stature in boxing), regarding the "2 questions email" issue, and haven't heard a thing. Atlas seems to be getting a free pass because he's, well, Teddy Atlas. But I wish ESPN would hold his feet to the fire and mandate a further explanation and/or redaction from him on the next telecast (perhaps Brian Kenny, who's an intrepid interviewer, will step up). To my point earlier, I bet there were scores of casual fans that watched that night that don't read boxing websites, etc, and therefore still believe that what the well-respected Atlas said on a well-respected network was true. And still no breaking news that Mosley-Mayweather is on...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:43:21 PM
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Edgar A. de Dios:
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Salt lover, you just won't understand no matter how detailed the explanations are, because you are close-minded. Shame on you. You will be one proof why Mayweather will land in jail one of these days for libel and ruining the reputation of your much-hated boxer.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:44:15 PM
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karlo:
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tsk read up on the 9th commandment people before making your accusations. One could argue we are free to make our own opinions but pls make it an intelligent and responsible one. Thank u and god bless us.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:47:41 PM
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Marco Polo:
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@those who doubt manny is on STEROIDS, Why you didn't brought this STEROIDS thihg when there are no issue yet about manny? You just hitch to the idea of a crackhead dumb and show some doubts about manny. Why doubt now? Why you haven't doubt after the ricky hatton fight? You just go with the flow man? Dont accuse someone without STRONG evidence. Please give yourself a favor. GET A FREAKIN LIFE!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:56:28 PM
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Radam G - shoulda kept my__outta of SoCal, it's raining Lil' Floyd___excuses:
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Civility, commonsense and just plain ole sense will never be at the top of menu for a Mayweather or his mudholedites and fish-bowledites. They cannot stand calmness because is it always a storm coming that is going to blow and/or wash their arses away. "Calm before the storm" is wacked for them. They want to cause a fake-arse storm before the real one does what it does -- reveal the weak from foundation to roof top. Lil' Floyd has emotional structural damage. And evybodeee (sic) and dey mommas know about Lil' Floyd's physical structural damage -- those brittled-hands of xyloroids. If the IRS wasn't on Lil' Floyd's shoulders and con man Willie wouldn't picked his pockets and robbed the bank accounts, Money-short May would humdrum shoulder roll, two-step stroll, bent-at-the-waist, head-drop south fold his arse right back into retirement. Lil' Floyd is taking "loosey goosey" to an all-time low. But this is what happens when you let crooks, cronies and crazies run the show!
Lil' Floyd is trapped in a mudhole of madness and mendacious make-believe. Holla!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:03:00 PM
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Salt Lover, you can ask "what if" all you want, but the reality is right now.. RIGHT NOW, there is no proof that he has taken any PEDs. This article is reflecting on what is current, not "what if". If right now we have hard evidence that he has taken any PEDs then you can blast and say haha told you so. No evidence means allegations and from what it seems from the Mayweather camp, jealousy envy, or.. him just being a chicken all together. Also get the facts right.. he didn't refuse to blood testing. He refused to RANDOM blood testing aka... testing anytime anywhere before fight time. Again GET IT RIGHT... people keep thinking he refused tests. He didn't. He agreed to take the tests 24 days prior and IMMEDIATELY after. If that's not good enough I don't know what is. In addition to that... How many boxers have even taken USDA Olympic style blood testing randomly prior to a bout? You ever have blood drawn from you? YOu ever feel weak and out of it and light headed and dizzy? In addition, Manny Pacquaio relies on POWER to win his bouts.. Floyd Mayweather doesn't all he does is runs.. OF COURSE he'd take the tests.. It benefits him!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:12:06 PM
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SALT lover@Edgar A. :
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No, no, no dude. You're wrong about that. I AM open minded, and perhaps you haven't read the articles where I criticize many things about Floyd. There's an article I respond to a FANATIC here in TSS that I listed a number of things that I disagree with Floyd Mayweather Jr and I criticize them. And perhaps you haven't read my respond to you recently where I gave you props cuz you gave a clear critical comment about Floyd, and you did with good mind-set. Please don;t ruin my good view I have about you, like some many have already done. Your comments are pretty good, even when I don't agree with them. I'm NOT close minded. Don't misunderstand me. Peace!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:14:41 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Jason, thanks for the response. Atlas gets a past because he is a very respected man in the sport. He's waiting for Smith to apologize first. @Fe'Roz, congrats on the QON. How many is that already? Lost count. Great stuff. @Radam, spittin it wildly like always.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:14:45 PM
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It's hard to believe that Manny is taking PED's,.. in my personal opinion he hasn't had to with his opposition being too starved out to compete,.. but who really knows,... he wouldn't take the test,...not even for $40mill,.. that's enough to make anyone wonder,.... and he's still on the internet talking about how he wants to fight Floyd,.. but he blew the chance when it was right in his lap,... he also side stepped MOsely,... probably because he isn't old enough yet,.. but whether he avoided Floyd because of the advise of this syncophantic advisors,.. self doubt,.. hurt pride,.. or guilt,.. the question will linger for quite a while... the sanctioning bodies who recently had a "boxing summit meeting" are also kicking around the idea of updating the requirements for drug testing,.. since the urine test is obsolete...far better and more celebrated athletes than Manny have come up dirty,.. and nobody was the wiser...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:18:10 PM
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teddy:
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you are talking about random drug tests, guys here in europe especially the cyclists they have to give an address where the inspector could reach them anytime. and if the the inspector or say a doctor was sent to collect urine and blood samples and let say you are fifteen minutes late to open the door for them, they would give you a warning (1st). and in their report card they state that probably in these span of time(15 minutes) you were able to take some masking agents to make test negative of roids tests. ask lance armstrong about it he was given a stern warning because he's fifteen minutes late. that's wada style
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:20:51 PM
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@Brownsugar: For $40 million, Mayweather should just forget about the random blood testing and face Pacquiao, who he says is an easy fight for him.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:29:57 PM
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AResterio:
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@saltlover : you are XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BIG TIME! You tryin to convince people that Xylocaine is no big deal? Xylocaine is clearly a PED that's why it's banned in many states, and your boy Floyd ADMITTED ON HBO that he uses it. That makes Floyd a drug-user! Now Floyd wants Olympic style tests to clean up the sport?? Ultimate Hypocrisy!! XD!!!!!!!!!!!!big time! Checkmated!! KOed like Hatton! You clearly lose in this issue but you refuse to see the truth because you're so obsessed by your SUSPICION..hmm..suspicion..suspicion..GET OFF THAT CRACK!!!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:30:47 PM
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eewoll:
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Very nicely written, but these won't stop those who have been
blinded by the false accusations of The Mayweathers, Oscar
dela Hoya, Schaefer, Malignaggi (the hairdresser).
They will just keep insisting on the false accusations without proof, and praise Floyd, Jr. who has been fighting unfairly through the use of xylocaine and the cheating of Marquez.
If anyone of them notice that their pund for pound king has no
championship belt at all. These are being held by Pacquiao,
Mosley and Berto, yet he demands so much from the champions which should be the opposite. Champions should be demanding more as they lay their belt on the line while Floyd
has only he's ZERO to lay down which means nothing as he is fighting bloated lightweights and bloated junior/lightwelterweights.
Let Floyd Keep his zero and LET THE CHAMPIONS FIGHT IT OUT. Leave him in the corner with a funny hat and a chicken leg.
He will learn the soonest if no chamption is interested in him
anymore.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:32:43 PM
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THINKING:
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I'm not sure if I'm missing the Point. If I am the Champion, why will I permit a contender to dictate or make me do something. I will refuse to play his game!!! That;s what PACQUIAO did. He agree for a blood test right after the fight, Why demand something more? I've been watching Mayweather's interview after pac-cotto fight. For the first time, Mayweather's answers showed some doubts. It beleive, he is fraid he will be beaten.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:39:18 PM
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FLOYD GAYWEATHER:
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PEOPLE SOMETIMES MAKE GOOD USE OF YOUR BRAINS..
HERE'S THE ISSUE
1. WHY DO SPORT COMMISSIONS PROHIBIT USE OF PEDS?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:40:43 PM
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Skul bukol:
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Well explained! But none of the Mayweather team will understand any of these. You know, lack of education tells it all. These are the kind of people who, no matter how you say that the world is round. They will always see it as flat... So, how do you talk to these kind of people.
There's nowhere to go... but Manny don't need Mayweather. He got 7 world titles without Mayweather. There's nothing to prove but personal pride in event they would fight, even if Manny would loose, Manny has got that world record, not Mayweather. Pound-4-pound is only in the mind of people, again, with Manny has 7 titles not Mayweather. Mayweather is just short of that pound-4-pound title.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:41:55 PM
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brownsugar@The Saint:
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I blame both sides,.. not excuse,.. this is prize fighting.. but taking a test 2 weeks before a fight wouldn't have hurt either guy...I would have rather seen the two men display thier stubborness to lose in the ring,.. instead of the tabloids... and justice systems...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:46:23 PM
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nold:
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hey salt how about bobby pacquiao? he's the brother isn't he?and why in the world he doesn"t as good as manny?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:52:27 PM
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thrown:
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pacquiao not submitting to drug tests is not because he uses PED or steroids... it's all about PRIDE. simple. and he's a superstar then why would he obey floyd's request where in fact he is always clean every fight and passed all drug tests imposed by Nevada State Athelic Comission.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:52:46 PM
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ramborge:
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yah... only mayweather and mosley who were guilty of taking xylocaine and PEDs thats fact! only a dumb boxing fanatics who can't never apprehend. FACTS...FACTS...FACTS...and with manny it's baseless accusations..BASELESS...BASELESS...BASELESS....
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:03:25 PM
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FLOYD GAYWEATHER:
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PEOPLE SOMETIMES MAKE GOOD USE OF YOUR BRAINS..
HERE'S THE ISSUES
1. WHY DO SPORT COMMISSIONS PROHIBIT USE OF PEDS?
2. IS THERE FAIRNESS IN NUMBING YOUR HANDS FROM PAIN IN BOXING?
3. DOES NOT FEELING ANY PAIN IN BOXING AN ADVANTAGE?
4. CAN YOU INJECT XYLOCAINE IN YOUR FACE?
5. CAN FORMER OPPONENT OF MAYWEATHER RECONSIDER THEIR FIGHTS WITH HIM CONSIDERING THAT HE USE THAT DRUG?
6. IS IT NOT SUFFICIENT TO AGREE TO HAVE YOUR BLOOD DRAWN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT TO CONVINCE ANYBODY THAT YOU ARE NOT ON PEDS ETC.
7. IS THERE ANY MAYWEATHER FANS OUT THERE THAT WILL AGREE TO A) PLAY DEAD B) ROLL OVER C) BARK D) FETCH E) CHASE F)SEARCH G) JUMP LIKE A DOG JUST TO PLEASE HIM.
8. IS IT A BOXERS (MAYWEATHERS) RIGHT TO DICTATE THE COMMISSION ON HOW THE DRUG TESTING BE HANDLED?
PEACE
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:10:32 PM
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lennar:
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if u going to watch all the fights of pacquiao since he was young at age u could witness the unbelievable stamina, speed, quickness & power he has that any boxer in the phil could' ve had...if all those critics to him watched all this fights they probably shut their loud mouths. it just happened that pacman is so gifted when it comes to boxing & coach roach showed him the way to discover it...they really a dynamic duo,..nice team.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:13:03 PM
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alan:
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random drug testing is only an excuse to chicken out from a fight
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:14:39 PM
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noypinga:
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simple: PACMAN is once in a lifetime wonder like what jordan, ali, tiger, etc did . . .floydie is a psychological coward lol! who acts like a boxing commission, great fighters fights the best and PACMAN in his generation shows us how a fighter should act. . . .sad to say floydie is nowhere in that regard,
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:37:22 PM
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ITS CLEARLY PURE ACCUSATION FROM A COWARD NAMED FLOYD.....PACQUIAO IS CLEAN AS A CRYSTAL..
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:38:15 PM
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sage:
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some people loves to use salt to season their food or to make them taste better. others use slat to rub on the wounds to make them even more painful. rubbing a salt on the wound could also mean an aggravated insult. but our "salt lover" here is non of the above. he is a cave rock salt. no real use really except for filling the holes on the road. he is filling the holes for Mayweather. don't blame him; that is his nature. just let him be and he will slowly melt in the course of time and be just another hole on the road: a minor annoyance, a mimic, invisible even to himself.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:41:37 PM
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Gus:
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just downloaded in a torrent the whole fight of Pacman. Analyzing every fights, nothing change at all from the start up to the last. The way He move, punch, the tornado speed, the rock chin.. I think the author got it right. It was all from a good practice, nothing more. The only thing i've noticed is this- He improves his right hands. The movements? it was all the same from the start to the last fight. He possess a natural stamina and not being aided by any form of HGH/PED. For the record, I am not a Pacman fan, I just like the history of this kid- from rags to riches
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:51:09 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar :
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If Pops Floyd might have heeded your wisdom, we might actually have seen a fight. I suspect now that all is quiet (for a variety of reasons), we eventually will. In the meantime, I am looking forward to tomorrow night ... and am disappointed (as a fight fan) that we won't see Shane and Berto the following week. Honestly, I don't know what kind of Karmic debt Shane owes..... but I think he deserves better. He did win a title in the ring a year ago.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:01:11 PM
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Fans who believed Pacman is on steroids kept asking why Pacman didn't take the test for $40mil. I can see many reasons and one of them anger. The negotiations was supposed to be off limits to the media until everything was agreed upon but when the negotiations for the drug testing started, the Mayweathers and GBP made a press release to destroy the reputation of MP with false accusations. MP was mad and being the P4P king, the welterweight champion and the bigger draw, he felt disrespected. Remember that his bout with Hatton was almost cancelled because he wanted a little more than 50-50 share of the purse as a show of respect. MP felt that he can do without the $40mil, so why will he allow PBF to get $40mil that the latter needed more at the moment? Another thing, if MP is dirty will it show in the demanded testing if he stops using it? It will not, so does it prove he is clean? No, because the haters will just think he was merely prevented from doing so. This perception will be the same even if he has never used PEDs/steroids. And what is even worse, MP's training will be disrupted by the 4 to 5 times random blood taking which is tantamount to losing 10 to 15 days of training. He feels weak (mentally/psychologically) 2 to 3 days after blood testing. The Mayweathers and GBP knew MP lost to Morales due to this incident (youtube). MP will surely lose to PBF if MP agrees to the demanded drug testing whether MP was a steroid user or not.. End result," MP losses because he was unable to cheat". It's a win-win situation for Xylocaine Floyd.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:07:18 PM
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juan:
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pacman gets thrown out of his system when blood is drawn from him close to the fight, juast like what happened in his first bout with morales which he lost.
he agreed to be blood tested 3x, including 1 in the locker room right after fight, if he's on roid it will show. kfc just wanted a way out...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:16:05 PM
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brownsugar@Fe'Roz:
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Well,.. I think Floyd has to be a little sick too,.. Pops said he hasn't seen Floyd in weeks,.. no doubt he's trying to get the bad taste out of his mouth,.. I had picked Berto to outhustle and flow Shane over 12,..(Berto ain't no cement footed Margarito) but wouldn't have been surprised to see Shane Knock him out either,... Floyd vs Shane is too good to be true,.. but I have faith it'll be completed... then Shane can get his just due (or at least try)
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:19:30 PM
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lyan:
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mayweather really does not want to fight.. that is crystal clear.. a pre-madonna boxer.. sucks..
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:20:46 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar :
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I'm an optimist. And a true diehard boxing fan. This fight must and will happen. Otherwise, I'm speechless. As in 'without speech'.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:29:46 PM
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nero:
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the only reason that the mayweathers wanted random blood tests prior to the fight is because they believe that taking blood from pacquiao makes him weaker (since his only recent loss was attributed to blood test taken 2 days prior to his fight (with his first match against morales)). He did not pop positive then but it did make him weaker (according to pacquiao), and this was his excuse for losing the match. the mayweathers got a hold of this information and pursued it for their advantage.. when they couldnt get the random(up to 2 days prior to the fight) test.. they compromised to a 14-day prior test to at least disrupt pacquiao's training.. since his stamina is one of his strengths against other fighters. Just like what mayweather did on his fight with marquez, he only wanted an upperhand.. this is business to him, as he proclaimed over and over.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:31:31 PM
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Hey Salt Lover... Lapdog of Mayhem ehhh... Sucks... You and your ilk simply can't stop, could you? Whe you hate the guy... you hate him period. Just because he is Asian. You think this world is just black or white. Hey stupid, shut up!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:38:12 PM
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Some people just choose to ignore the obvious -- the man works really really hard. When you have guys like Paulie having suspicions on the grounds that Pac consumes 7,000 calories per day during draining, you gotta wonder how much does Paulie consume during training. I bet it's not much; he'd be spending half the time in the parlor. Pac hits his body with a stick to handle pain -- that's HARD WORK. Floyd does a shortcut and injects Xylocaine.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:56:35 PM
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Phong pogi:
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Manny's steroids is his hard training and body discipline. He trained harder than any other boxer does. Even PMA cadets who runs miles on everyday of their living surrendered running to him! would you believe that? Yes its true. I'm their watching at the camp! From my own estimate if I'm not mistaken it was 2 to 3 hours running without stopping! Now do you think steroids is better than the way he punish his body? Well you are a moron if you will not get that.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:21:21 PM
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ryan:
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Yes! I agree with your article, it's very well put together. Still not going to change the ignorant minds of Pacquiao haters, who always insist he's on steroids, based off of a no evidence, false rumor made by Floyd Sr.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:31:22 PM
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WeightBuster:
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Yes blood test two weeks before the fight would give you enought time to recover. But it will throw the training progrma out of sync. Two weeks before the fight you should practice and spar heavier and you need strength. Practice is more physically demanding than a fight. If you went out of condition two weeks before the figth and try to recover or be inphase with your training ruins your chances. You don't want to be on sick leave , for me if you are doing 10 hours hard training and then suddenly went to six hours training because you have to recover because of the effect of blood testing you ruin your condition and that is like you went on a sick leave. Unless there are some peds you can take so the next days you are back on thes ame condition the that would be fine. If there is one what's the use of testing.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:44:53 PM
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@ SALT lover: ei brother. is manny did not acept to give his blood the only reason why you accuse him of taking peds? lets turn it around?you said what if the writer is wrong..it will be shamefull, right? but did it damage you?yeah maybe..and maybe to the fighters that he knocked out as well.but his legacy will fall and he will be remembered as fraud.big damge for him! but what if you are wrong????you damaged his image, you and your idol floyd. u damage his credibilty just because he did not want to tke the blood test. if money is clean will it damage your image as his accuser?will it damage those people who accuse him??no!either way manny is the looser here. if he is a ped user great damage for him, if he is not an even greater damage for him.because he is being accused by people like you.come to think of it..that is whay "innocent untill proven guilty"...if it will happen to you someday..you will undertand. so wther maany is taking peds or not, the damage has been done..and only a court ruling can take that away...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:36:15 PM
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B.S. that steroid accusation. Why not let Floyd swalowed a truckload of steroid and fight the Pacman, If steroid is really a big thing, how come Mosley is still allowed to fight. Let the fight happen that all that matters. Time is running out, soooner or later the Pacman is going to retire for public office.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:38:07 PM
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Pacquiao's situation is the worst situation someone could be in. Many people believes he's on roids. Even if he took the random blood testing, he still can't erase the cloud of doubt over him. That's is a fact. The damage is irrepairable. There's no way he can fix it and he don't have to.
I remember when i was in school putting small coins in the donation box. (that was my savings in a week.) My history teacher happened to see me from about 30ft and she BELIEVED I was trying to steal coins from it. "A lot of kids do that nowadays", she argued. I was a good student, my record shows it, but that doesn't matter coz she believed what she believed and she already embarassed me in front of the class. How can i prove my innocence? The contents of a donation box is not accounted, nor is the contents of my pocket. She forced me to go the Security for investigation and i refused, why would i be investigated, my pocket is empty? for what? for more embarassment in front of a new audience? The teacher already believed what she "saw" as stealing and i knew my explanation would not change that. (why would pacquiao submit to blood testing just before the fight? for what?) and that was the beginning of the worst. I became a thief in everybody's eyes. No matter how good i am, no matter what i say, there's that cloud over me. I really pity Pacquiao, my experience was staged in a school classroom, his is staged in the whole world. And people will simply not stop accusing.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:42:29 PM
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Morpheus:
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I think PBF dream is to die a virgin, let him die with a big zero in his neck. Let him take that worthless piece of rotten egg to his grave.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:46:50 PM
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Anonymous user:
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SALT Lover laughs and thinks like he's an evil...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:01:01 PM
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Sim Elpidam:
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Sorry Salt lover, The number one cheater & not clean is Floyd. Fighting lightweight boxer, adding insult to injury coming at weigh-in period 2 pounds over weight. So your guy always comes to the ring 1 divion heavier than his opponent. Is that what you call "level the playing field?" coming from Floyd jr. himself
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:08:58 PM
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BSN @Jason & SALT:
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Nice writing and thinking there, nice to see people showing respect for each other... I believe all our concerns here is whether Manny is really on roids or not, is that correct?
If so, the last thing I heard is that Manny agreed to blood testing right after the fight. I just wonder if you guys took that in consideration in saying that "Manny refused to take the blood test". Forget about the blood tests before the fight that they could not agreed on, we are only after for conclusive result -- is the test right after the fight not significant enough such that the test MUST be before the fight ? Probably if that is done days after the fight, but Manny even agreed on minutes after the fight.
Oh well, we will have different point of views, but I just believe that the PED accusations was not really a matter of questioning Manny's credibility -- it was more of a ploy to get advantages against Manny, but PacMan did not give in.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:14:50 PM
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Tim Atlas:
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Still a lot of stupid Chicken flyd followers here....
Xylocaine is the main reason why Chicken Floyd opposes Pac's proposal of drug testing after the fight!
I hope this would clear enough to all suspicions!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:34:34 PM
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SALT lover:
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i still believe Floyd is the number one... he! he! he!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:48:11 PM
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MisterLee:
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MisterLee's theory on WHY pacquiao does BETTER in higher weight divisions: 1.) He's faster than the competition, by LIGHT YEARS 2.) He carries a decent punch in the divisions 3.) Bigger opponents can't handle his foot speed and can't catch him 4.) Lighter opponents tho not as physically strong as welterweights have the speed to counter him and to have defense agst him 5.) It is more Pacquiao's natural fighting weight.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:14:25 PM
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SALT lover:
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My brain...
is full of xylocaine...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:14:41 PM
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blue4cor:
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The LOOKS IN HIS EYES speaks volume of his honesty. In Manny's most recent interview in Dallas, you can tell by the look in his eyes how calmly and HOW NATURALLY UNPRETENTIOUS he is by the way he talks and answers questions about him taking PED's. Nice article Frank. Showing good understanding of the issues, impressive sources, interesting insight. I honestly believe Mayweather is the only one capable of ending Manny's winning streak at this point in time. He just didn't give it a try. Floyd should have said to himself I am not Cotto, Diaz, DLH nor Hatton and ready to challenge Pacquiao the moment Manny stepped up to the plate. Floyd needed only to believe in himself. With his great defensive ability Floyd must realize how capable he is in capturing the victor's cup, how close he would have been to the Golden Crown that makes the man a King. Pacquiao has been very impressive in his string of victories against bigger opponents. None of Pacquiao's fight making everyone leave the boxing arena going home disappointed. This is the best fight boxing can offer in this era since the Thrilla in Manila. Pacquiao-Mayweather fight must happen. Imagine how amazing it would be for the fans to see the greatest fighters colliding forces, how the spectators will be awed by the display of their might and how Sweet Science can put on the greatest show on Earth.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:18:38 PM
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MisterLee:
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Ya'll know why Floyd fans STOPPED completely responding to my posts? B/c the truth hurts! Kounted out and Semen Lover back up thus giving me momentum. Where's GOAT, eastar, kounted out, Salt Rubber, Ben O' Connor and all the scareweather fans at? The truth hurts!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:22:48 PM
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Misterlee:
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Respects to ali, real talk, b-sug, el maromero, and utlimoshoguns.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:24:23 PM
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ali:
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I hope Pac clean I really do boxing has so many problems the last thing we need is one of our superstars being dirty. Boxing needs to catch up with the times and make sure without a doubt that every fighter is clean before he get in the ring. There is to many examples out there of people in sports using steriods cheating there way to the top and the sh*it has to stop. I hope boxing don't wait to long like Baseball to try and fix the problem cause in this sport a you can lose somethen more important then just a fight if yall know what I mean.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:30:34 PM
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alexander :
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I couldn't agree more on your concluding statements. But let me say that I was so impressed in the manner by which you arrived to your conclusion. Excellent analysis!!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:30:45 PM
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Bugoy75:
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A thief calls another man the thief then walks away
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:33:31 PM
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donputo69:
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NO COMMENTS...ya already know how i feel about KENDUCKY FRAUD CHICKEN....holla back!!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:39:11 PM
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Frank Z:
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nah there is almost no way pacquiao is taking PEDs. it's possible that he's using something very advanced that lets him carry his power but he's always been powerful at the lower weights. eating as much protein as he has and improving his timing and accuracy is what's really allowing him to hurt folks now.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:51:09 PM
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SALT lover@ali:
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Even though I don't work, nor I'm inside the sport to know exactly, but I'm afraid the thing you're talkin' about has started in the sport of boxin' a LONG time ago, man. Boxing's a dirty business, and one can see that from the outside. You don't have to be inside to sense something's wrong with this sport. If the Filipino boxer is proven to be a cheater (Somethin' that at this point wouldn't surprise me at all), I really think it would be like the tip of the iceberg compared to the many things this sport has guarded inside for so long. Even if it becomes disastrous, still it would be one of the MANY things this sport has been hidin'. There isn't any universal control over the sport of boxin', nor an organization that has been made to keep the sport in check Worldwide. Each "regulation" and Commission do as it pleases, and the promoters are like wolfs roamin' aroun' freely protectin' their fighters, even when they cheat; all for the sake of financial interests. Baseball has pretty good control over illegal moves, hell, they can't even bet in games, but boxin' is a disaster dressed in beauty clothes. Scorecards is another example. Boxin' is such a beautiful sport, it's really sad things are like that in reality. Peace!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:01:17 AM
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The PED/steroid issue was Mayweather's way of saying NO to a fight with Manny Pacquiao and not being labeled a "COWARD".
Floyd Jr is smart and a fight will Pacquiao can ERASE his IMMACULATE fight record, which by the way is his only claim to a "HALL of FAME" career as he has always avoided the "dangerous" opponents.....
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:01:32 AM
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Isaiah:
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You all know how it is at KenDUCKy FLoyd Chicken's! BUCK, BUCK, BCUUUUUK!!!!!!! WE DO CHICKEN OUT RIGHT!!!!! I bet Mr. "I'm blind onto who won a fight in here and am a huge sack swinger who can't tell the truth because that would mean that I am wrong." SMILEY FACE, is probaly a HUGE Floyd fan! Remeber kids, all of our chickens are Xylocaine injected and Olympic style randomly blood tested for your safety! Floyd the real cheater and his drugged out daddy says, "Pacman's on steroids!" All you SHEEPle go, BAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:01:41 AM
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thegreatestfight.com:
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Pacquiao-Clottey is just a tune up fight, Mosley-Mayweather is just like Mayweather-Juda allover again... Pacquiao-Mayweather is still the fight all fans want to see...
The question still remains, will Mayweather steps up to the challenge now that Berto pulled out? He should have agreed to fight Mosley by now.
Pacquiao now starts doing his thing, Floyd better starts doing his... Check out Pacquiao-Mayweather latest news - thegreatestfight . com
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:04:17 AM
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SALT lover@Isaiah:
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XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't agree with the whole "Floyd-chicken" stuff that's flyin' aroun', but I have to admit that the whole chicken sound you wrote was funny Hehehehehehehehehe! All right, man.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:16:11 AM
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El MAROMERO:
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don't get too corny...
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:24:15 AM
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Isaiah@SALTlover:
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No offense to you man. Just trying to pass the time. If you're open minded, which I know you are, and want a good laugh, go to youtube and look up the Kentucky Floyd Chicken remix. (I think that's what it's called.) It'll make you laugh, I bet. I can't believe it's even better than the original. Man, I'm at work right now, so I better get back to it to keep that cash rollin in. Later on.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:48:48 AM
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SALT lover@Isaiah:
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Hehehehehehe, yeah I saw a peek already. It was kinda a funny. All right, man.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:54:26 AM
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Isaiah@MisterLee:
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Hey man. I agree with you on a lot of issues and am obviously a Manny Pacquiao fan, but a couple of those guys you mentioned are alright. All in all, ain't nothing wrong with kountedout or Saltlover. Go ahead and bash Easter and GOAT. They probaly deserve it. I don't know anything about Ben O' Conner, but if you all can stand in front of Radam to protect him and praise him everytime someone farts in the wind, then you better believe I'll stand with the ones who basically agree with me outside of being Floyd Mayweather fans. Misterlee, you're one of the best TSS has to offer. That can't be disputed. Top 5 contender for sure, but ease up man. After much heated and long dragged out disputes, I've realized that a couple of those guys are actually on the same page as me. Hey, I'm VERY stubborn so it took me a minute to conceed that, but conceed it I did. The truth set me free. TO END THIS RANT, CMON GUYS! CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG AND HATE KENDUCKY FLOYD CHICKEN?! LOL!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:06:34 AM
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unc_sammy:
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Mayweather and the GBP camp just wanted to disrupt the focus of Pacquiao but they did not play their cards well. It backfired. Pacquiao just sticked on his trump card, that is, "who are you to dictate the terms" and " to hell with you, I will not give you your US$40 million if that's the way you treat me. You need me but I don't need you".
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:09:59 AM
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WHAT'S NEW?.. Time out. Let's sing to the tune of Beatles song.....This happened once before when Mosley came to Floyd 'sdoor, no reply. They said it wasn't Floyd, but I saw him peep thru his window.... I saw the light..,------What the future holds now for Shane? It looks like a complete waste of time for him to wait. He should probably go up in weight with Felix Sturm.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:12:22 AM
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DAFUCKMAN:
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Pacquiao is not Marquez, period! He's not gonna be dictated by Mayweather, and that is the only reason this proposed fight did not materialized.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:17:12 AM
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wunderkign:
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@SALT... Your reasoning is so shallow. Your assumption that since Manny did not agree on random testing, he maybe hiding something. You questioning the integrity of Manny but do you question the integrity of Floyd? What was his real purpose for this fiasco? TO GET INTO MANNY'S SKIN and a SURE WIN. If I say you are stupid and if you want to prove to me that you are not, then show me if you can jump from the 7th floor. Now I am asking you, what will you do?
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:26:19 AM
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Big Rog:
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Mmmm. If all the evidence points to Manroid being clean, why did he refuse the test? In Texas the testing is even more suspect. Happy days for Manroid et al. Manroids rep is toast! You aint no legend, youse a fraudoid!! Holllow!!!!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 05:43:38 AM
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Isaiah:
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BREAKING NEWS! I JUST SAW A VIDEO ON YOUTUBE FROM BOXINGSCENE AND IT WAS AN INTERVIEW WITH FREDDIE ROACH. IN THIS VIDEO, FREDDIE CLEARLY STATES THAT THE PACQUIAO TEAM DID AGREE TO A 14 DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT BLOOD TEST WITH MAYWEATHER! YES, YOU READ THAT RIGHT! THEY AGREED TO A 14 DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT BLOOD TEST AND A BLOOD TEST RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT! 14 DAYS PEOPLE! YOU PACROID SHOUTERS CAN SHUTUP!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 05:43:49 AM
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Isaiah:
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What do you Pacman haters have to say now?! 30 days before the fight wasn't good enough for a blood test. You said, "steroids can leave the body in 24 days." They change it to 24 days before, you say, "I meant to say steroids leave the body in 14 days." It turns out final negotions point out, OK, 14 days before the fight and right after sucker! You say, "OH, DUH! I MEANT TO SAY 5 DAYS, 2 DAYS, 1 HOUR............." WHAT KIND OF DRUGS DOES IT TAKE TO STILL SUPPORT MAYWEATHER?!!! HEY EVERYBODY! WE HAVE A NEW DANCE CRAZE! IT'S CALLED, THE KENDUCKY FRAUD CHICKEN WEATHER CLUCKTACULAR! PUT YOUR FEATHERS TOGETHER AND GO LIKE THIS! BUCK,BUCK,BUCK,BUCK,BUCK,BUCK,BUCK...... BUCK, BUCK, BUCK, BUCK, BUCK, BUCK!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!! DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH WATING FOR COWARDWEATHER TO GET HIS TALONS AROUND A PEN AND WITHIN 50 FEET OF A SHANE MOSLEY FIGHT CONTRACT! BUCK, BUCK, SON! LOL!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 06:00:01 AM
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Percival:
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Thank God there's a SANE writer like you intelligent enough to point out the obvious! The whole issue is pathetic and I direct the blame to Golden Boy Promotions and the low IQ Mayweathers! This has insulted the intelligence of the boxing fans moreso my country the Philippines!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 06:03:38 AM
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ali @ Isaiah:
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I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SH*T FOR ONE MINUTE IF HE WOULD HAVE AGREED TO 14 DAYS WE WOULD HAVE A MEGA FIGHT HAPPENING. YOU ACTING LIKE JUST BECAUSE FREDIE ROACH SAID IT IT'S GOT TO BE TRUE GET THE HELL OF OF HERE WITH THAT B.S. THERE ARE ARE ALOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT'S CLOSE TO THE SITUATION THAT SAY PAC AGREED TO 24 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT OR THE FIGHT WON'T HAPPEN. THE ONLY WAY I WOULD BELIEVE THAT SHIT IS IF THEY SHOW MAYWEATHER GETTING THE PAPPER WORK SAYING PAC AGREED TO 14 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT AND HE DIDN'T SIGN . THAT'S WHY I WISH THEY WENT ON INSIDE WITH CAMERAS SO WE COULD SEE WHO IS REALLY THE LYING CAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL IT IS TO THE FANS IS HE SAY SHE SAY.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 06:32:32 AM
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I was a big fan of mayweather junior way back when he was still being seen in ESPN up to the fight with marquez and I kept on defending him when people say why is he ducking margarito I would say because margarito is not PPV material and shoud be fighting as a middleweight and when people say why is he ducking cotto I would say he does want to fight him but cotto is ducking mayweatehr instead, and why is he ducking williams I would say he is too big to be a welterweight and why is he ducking clottey I would say because he is n ot PPV materail and should be fighting as a welterweight, whys is he ducking moseley it's because he cheated in the past and is too old for fmj, after the marquez fight which was a great display of his talent people said marquez was too small and was cheated and I agreed he got cheated bbut he deserved it for fighting at a chatchweight and says that it's okay to fight a smaller fellow becasue it is his tuneup/comeback fight, but now he ducked the Pacman, how the hell do you duck a juiced up midget which would earn you 40 million dollars, if you really want to fight him you would fight him and he already agreed to 3 blood test that alone should be enough and even if he was juicing fm had the talent to beat him but again he ducked a juiced up mideget, for me that is the last straw I'm no fan of him no more he is a bitch ass punk who only wants the easy fights, I hope he gets his ass bitchslapped in his next fight the way he deserves but he probably won't be bitchslapped because he is probably going to choose to fight a small weak ass fighter who anyone can beat.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 08:05:03 AM
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El MAROMERO @ ali:
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u can tell that dude was really excited about some bs. The mediator had said that the Top Rank side was making false statements after negotiations failed
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 08:24:10 AM
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MisterLee @ Isaiah:
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Ya know, I really LOVE boxing, and it really messes up my read , even for a Frank Lotierzo article when pple start talking PED's or criticize Clottey as an opponent choice when most boxing experets nad critics said before the Cotto fight that Clottey is a better fighter. If they made a valid or logical argument then ther's one thing, or if they reach logical conclusions with some evidence, but based on NOTHING and acting like CSI gangsta's... it's annoying... in a perfect world, Floyd would fight Cotto, Margarito, and Pacquiao... win or lose we' have awesome fights... in perfect world Floyd would have stepped up to Mosley 2 weeks ago or 2y ears ago, in a perfect world Floyd would add more SUSPENSE and comeptition to an already deep division instead having carrot in front of the donkey and yanking it every time the donkey bites, or like some coy woman who "shy's away" every time a man approanches. Y a know Fun bags were meant to be played with (women, I mean this in the best way :), as good fighters were meant to fight good fighters. Just look around, Cotto Clottey Collazo Judah Margarito and Williams have all fought each other and have fought the best in welterweight. Why is the man who was #1 welter for 2 years afraid to step into the ring with these fellows? Pple defend Floyd that "HE'S NOT AFRAID, HE'S RISKING HIS LIFE, SO HE WANTS TO MAKE THE BEST BUSINESS DECISISONS" ... well... let's look at the record.. Pacquiao, Mosley, and Cotto, and then williams are his highest grossing fights (= good business), and he's not closed to signing with any of them despite Floyd having less than 8 weeks to prepare for Mosley. When Floyd's fighting style is safety first, so is his negotiating style. Remembver Mosley's camp engaged in negotiations with Floyd LAST YEAR after marg fight, and Floyd rejected him, despite Mosley being the number 1 welterweight and a bigger draw than Marquez, then he goes and fights Marquez and ducks Pacquiao. You Floyd fans will have no more hero by the end of 2010 b/c I bet a WHOLE LOT OF CROW that Floyd won't fight Mosley nor Pacquiao nor Cotto nor Williams this year. I was right, Pacquiao is 3-0 in negotiations since De La Hoy.a. He effectively out negotiated Hatton, Cotto, and Mayweather. Don't F***CK the Filipino. Hahaha. Holler! What Floyd Fans? Where you at? You scared just Floyd is agst real opponents/ I haven't heard JACK from you guys since beginning of Janurary What Salt Rubber? Where you at? You cower b/c I owned you and kounted out a few weeks ago. Without your fake gangsta talk you're just a bunch of "hhahahah a =) =) and weird faces and ebonics" If you know so much about boxing you'd engage, but like deepwater, teacher, kounted out, you guys find out I don't cower whenI get hit with a right hand. All good, stay in your little corner, cuz you ain't wanna rumble with the Caveman. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 09:37:32 AM
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Don't F___ with Filipinos I mean. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 09:39:57 AM
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El Maromero:
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If Floyd doesn't fight any top welter this year I wil be LA MAROMERA and if he fights one of them u will be MiSS LEE for a month
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 10:23:32 AM
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MisterLee:
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Deal. ~Cavewoman out!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 10:37:37 AM
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Pachachis:
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If Pacquiao is so clean and, why not take ANY test at ANY reasonable time? This being said, does not imply that I am Scareweather fan; far from it...
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 12:22:38 PM
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dbest:
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Floydroids vs Sugaroids is a good match-up....We will be witnessing, for the first time in boxing history, pitting two proven PED user fighting inside the ring....Imagine, steroid user vs xylocaine user...what a helluva fight!!!!In this fight we will know which PED is the best....what a fight...all time great PED user in the making...This fight needs no random testing because the playing field is already even, both proven PED user and cheater!!!!!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:07:26 PM
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MisterLee:
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Why should Pacquiao have to prove something when he's the bigger draw and never tested postiive? It defies common sense. Why couldn't scareweather negotiate the time window of testing?
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:51:58 PM
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ric rayos:
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mayweather and his fans are cheating history by preserving no loss record and further accusing pacman without legal proof and evidence. All those boxers used PED were linked and named apparently except Pacman. Wake up low flying weathers!!! The secret of Pacman, he eats lot of rice and Kangkong. Good Luck losers.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:56:17 PM
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sikoyavej:
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salt lover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wat if he's not??? wat if manny is not taking any PED??
you have doubts on manny (merely speculations) but...manny fans are certain (with facts) that hes clean.. No matter how big is your doubts are, it doesnt change anything...manny is still p4p king.. and he is still clean untill proven dirty..
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 02:06:33 PM
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MisterLee:
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I would love to see cintron vs. margarito 3. I'm watching part 2 now, it wouldnt' be too bad, for marg to get back into the welterweight division, or at 154, and for cintron to get revenege. Cintron did well , except he was head hunting, but he had decent footwork, good counters, and decent defense. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 02:18:10 PM
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You can't say just because you think Pac the bigger draw that he shouldn't have to prove he's clean. That would mean that the people who are at the top of the sport shouldn't be tested now you know that's complete bulls*hit. Why? because that could be the reason that there at the top of the sport....Cheating there ass off stealing money.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 02:37:05 PM
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MisterLee:
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Cyclical arguments that will go nowhere, but respects to ya. Still respect you. Pc!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 02:38:52 PM
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Caveman Miss Lee:
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FIght hype says Mosley Mayweather almost secure May 1st. Holler! Wow, was i wrong? Mosley would beat that ARSE! Be ready for somelast minute posturing! Maromero! I'm good on my word, but let's see if there are no last min. posturing, scareweather would/should never fight mosley, it goes agst his "not fighting the best" principle. Trading the Washington Generals for a real NBA Championship Team is a big step up for Scareweather. Holler! **MAROMERO!!! I'll keep this up until Scareweather cancels the fight due to "lack of ticket sales" , a rib injury, a catchweight with Campbell, a drag show, or a sparring session with Katsidis fo' sure!" Holler... Mosley will be the FIRST fighter floyd has ever fought in his OWN weight division that's also on the top 10 p4p list. Mosley will spank that arse worse than he spanked margarito. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 02:42:56 PM
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El MAROMERO:
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you have no faith on that dude.He has to be conscious that by fighting great opposition he can be legendary.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 03:16:43 PM
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MisterLee:
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I'll exhale on the night of April 30th. Just tell me what Floyd has done in the last 5 years or throughout his career as a person and/or professionally that causes the aware boxing fan to have faith in him. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 03:18:07 PM
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El Maromero:
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To tell you the truth he boxed good but not great fighters earlier than most proffesionals just like Oscar did in the beginning his career.The thing is that Floyd made those fighters look really bad (minus Castillo) and when he beat Hatton he was the number 1 p4p fighter but he screwed up by not taking advantage of his status and taking on the best challenges.Now he is back and if he wants to be number one again he has to beat Mosley and Manny
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 04:14:58 PM
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MisterLee:
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I agree... i mean he coulda pulled a RJJ and fought bums for high PPV ratings and an occassional mega fight, but i guess he was tired of boxing for so many years... his mistake was turning off the public in his comeback claiming he was number 1, then talking bad about mosley and pacquiao, and then ESP. fighting marquez. Floyd used to be my fave around the time he fought oscar. I remember the first ime i saw him fight was on a ESPN rewind showing of him vs. gatti, i was so amazed, and his fight agst tony pep he looked amazing, i think around his retirement was when i noticed, b/c boxing had a void when he retired, pacquiao quickly filled it with great fights, then the marquez vasquez fights, boxing HAD to put on great shows with single mega stars, and really cotto marg happened, cotto clottey, mosley marg, pacquioa vs. dlh... casamayor vs. katsidis... and then when floyd returned, he came back in a different atmosphere than he left and expected to STILL be treated like royalty. Anyway, he could quickly re-earn that status in 2-3 fights if he fights good opponents and then regain his confidence and fight pacquiao by mid 2011, but that's only if he still wants it. Holler! He knows the only way to being on top again is first mosley, then pacquiao and/or williams, but it's a much tougher road than he left 2 years ago. Good talk. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 04:23:52 PM
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MisterLee:
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The more I think of it... Mayweather's never been in 147 with a good boxer that could punch. Baldomir had a low KO percentage, and judah was quick but not too powerful at 147. He never been in with a cotto who could bruise, nor a marg, nor someone with super tight defense and a good chin like clottey. Oscar in 2007 had not KO'd a good opponent in years. VERY carefully selected opponents judging by their KO possiblity at 147. holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 04:29:25 PM
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MisterLee:
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...and Ricky Hatton doesn't have KO power at 147. I dont' care how many lbs he could squat 147, cotto coulda taken him out in 5 rounds. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 04:44:33 PM
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Jay Jay:
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You guys are all fools, let me clerify it for you all......I'm a fighter on PEDs and in no way does it help you take a punch at all !!!! As for Manny being on PEDs? All top level guys are on it.... ALL !!!!!!!!! Why do you think Mayweather said to take blood ? Its because thats the only way to catch it for sure !!!! But that being said how would Mayweather know this? So no one worry about the Juice because believe me on the elite level they are all playing on an even battlefield, so forget about this stuff and get down to what really matters and thats what happens in the ring !!!!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 05:05:09 PM
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El Maromero:
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ur right he hasn't fought any real dangerous fighters at 147.Judah was competing with Floyd until he lost focus and stamina then he just got blown away. Judah even hurt a prime Cotto in the first few rounds also butthen got popped in the balls and really stamina which ended up in a a$$ whooping that pretty much ended his career.He should fight Manny soon cause Manny has fought tough fights especially with Marquez and he might be too worn out to beat Floyd if the wait another year.He is awesome but he is also human and he will slow down one day on the other hand Floyd hasn't had any wars cause of his style and his body is still fresh for being a 32 year old
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 05:40:01 PM
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El Maromero:
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Really hurt his stamina
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 05:55:19 PM
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MisterLee:
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ur right.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 06:17:59 PM
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Prime1:
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XYLOCAINE!
If NSAC bans it Floyd Jr. will immediately retire!
Think about it Floyd Jr.... fighting the PACMAN or Mosely or Cotto or any other top fighter with brittle hands. Ha...ha...ha... they will all run him over because he won't have any sting in his punches.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 08:02:51 PM
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MisterLee:
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Where's Salt Rubber with his false accusations and pointing at the world as 'fanatics' just b/c they disagree wtih him. Haha.... i pwned that bum.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 08:24:33 PM
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oskar:
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This issue seems wont end... Well from my personal experience recently I had a medical check up and when my blood was taken I didn't feel a thing but on the second time about a week after my blood was taken for the second time I felt a little pain and discomfort in my arm that last about 2 days while it bruise for about 2 weeks, I even had a complete rest the day my blood but still I experienced that then I understand what Manny is concerned about why would he risk loosing being the best pound for pound fighter in the world which he carry with pride before he gets into the ring. Manny agreed to 3 blood test and random urine test already if he allowed Floyd jr to have his way Manny would need to take 2 days break from training every time his blood is taken that could be up 12 to 16 blood test with the concerns of affecting him mentally and disruption for the preparation of a fight. Pro boxers got 8 weeks max to train while olympic athletes got years to prepare. Well 8 weeks would be disrupted by unlimited blood test and Manny even admitted that he doesn't consider himself being the best but a mediocre boxer though he make it up through a well prepared training camp so he can perform his best.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 08:59:40 PM
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ricky:
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Salt Lover...
YOU SAID mayweather was just playing mind games when he said bad things and attacked diego corrales' personality...that he'd do things just to have a psychological edge over his opponent....and that he's always ben like that---will do anything to have the said advantage...
And even though you know that Mayweather is like that, you still somehow believe his claims that Pacquiao is on PEDs?
Only one thing is sure here -- that Mayweather is did it to gain an edge over Pacquiao.
You're stand that "If Pacquiao is not using one, why not agree and just take the test?" doesn' t make much sense. It appears that Mayweather was successful in his plot becuse people like you start to think that way.
Pacquiao agreed to be tested thrice---one during the press conference announcing the fight, one 24 days before the fight, and most importantly, one RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT.
Now tell me, what can a test taken the day of the fight (but before it) detect and a test right after the fight cannot?
Use common sense here, will you?
How come Floyd still did not agree to this suggestion?
If Pacquiao, for his part, made some adjustments to in a way, accomodate Floyd's requirement (which, again, is not really required by NSAC nor by te LAW), then why not make some adjustments himself and agree to the suggested testing schedule?
IS PACQUIAO THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS?
You got to understand that people reacts to things differently and people's belief on certain things vary. That's why we're human beings.
If Pacquiao, psychologically, feels weak when blood is drawn from his body 2 days or a day or during the fight itself (and he has all the right to believe so...it's his own body anyway. He felt that way when he fought Morales the first time) then we have to respect it. Anyway he is NOT REQUIRED BY LAW nor by the gorverning body of boxing in Nevada which is NSAC. IF HE's REQUIRED BY LAW OR BY HE NSAC TO HAVE HIS BLOOD DRAWN DAY/s BEFORE THE FIGHT AND DECLINES AND JUNKS THE FIGHT ITSELF, THEN THAT's A DIFFERENT STORY.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 10:47:23 PM
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xpax:
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Pacman doesn't really need the $40M. He has earned a lot of money and invested it wisely wherein his grandchildren doesn't even need to work. You have to consider that the cost of living in the Philippine is definitely low compared in the US. this is the reason on why there are a lot of foreigners retiring here. FYI, Manny is currently building an economic zone and his project inside is a Hospital for Medical Tourism. It will be marketed to foreigners who wanted to have an electic cosmetic surgeries. He owns a couple of building and real estates.
He didn't blow the $40M away because he is afraid of the PEDS. He just denied the Mayweathers a chance to earn $40M. As we all know Mayweather is currently suffering from financial problems. With Pacquiao moving into another direction, it deprived Floyd to earn $40M and settling his financial liabilities. As stated, Pacquiao doesn't the $40M, He is already financially secure with no Tax liabilities.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 11:05:24 PM
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ricky:
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Salt Lover...
YOU SAID mayweather was just playing mind games when he said bad things and attacked diego corrales' personality...that he'd do things just to have a psychological edge over his opponent....and that he's always ben like that---will do anything to have the said advantage...
And even though you know that Mayweather is like that, you still somehow believe his claims that Pacquiao is on PEDs?
Only one thing is sure here -- that Mayweather is did it to gain an edge over Pacquiao.
You're stand that "If Pacquiao is not using one, why not agree and just take the test?" doesn' t make much sense.
Pacquiao agreed to be tested thrice---one during the press conference announcing the fight, one 24 days before the fight, and most importantly, one RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT.
Now tell me, what can a test taken the day of the fight (but before it) detect and a test right after the fight cannot?
Use common sense here, will you?
How come Floyd still did not agree to this suggestion?
If Pacquiao, for his part, made some adjustments to in a way, accomodate Floyd's requirement (which, again, is not really required by NSAC nor by te LAW), then why not make some adjustments himself and agree to the suggested testing schedule?
IS PACQUIAO THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS?
AND WHO's THE CHAMPION IN THIS FIGHT, may I ask?
It is not FLoyd, is he?
Last time I checked, challengers are the ones who make adjustments when it comes to negotiations (e.g., like a rematch clause in the contract, etc.)
Going back, you got to understand that people reacts to things differently and people's belief on certain things vary. That's why we're human beings.
If Pacquiao, psychologically, feels weak when blood is drawn from his body 2 days or a day or during the fight itself (and he has all the right to believe so...it's his own body anyway. He felt that way when he fought Morales the first time) then we have to respect it. Anyway he is NOT REQUIRED BY LAW nor by the gorverning body of boxing in Nevada which is NSAC. IF HE's REQUIRED BY LAW OR BY HE NSAC TO HAVE HIS BLOOD DRAWN DAY/s BEFORE THE FIGHT AND DECLINES AND JUNKS THE FIGHT ITSELF, THEN THAT's A DIFFERENT STORY.
So Pacquiao declining to give in to all of Floyd's drug testing requirement makes you think that Manny is into PED's? It appears that Mayweather was successful in his plot becuse people like you start to think that way.
So where is "Innocent until proven guilty."?
Pacquiao passed all the test done in all his fights.
Just because he refused to USADA testing, people woulod think he's dirty?
When people try to bully us, we react differently as well. Sometimes culture plays a role here.
American and Filipino cultures are not similar at all.
About the money, so your thinking is, and it has been brought up by a lot of writers, "How can Manny give up the chance to earn $40M just because of drug testing ?". Well, i have the following answers:
1. Why not ask the same question about Floyd? Given the
financial problems he's dealing with...it's a puzzle how he can
just buy his way out of the fight.
2. With the money that Manny has earned, I'm telling you, he
won't be that greedy.....$1 = P46....and the cost of living in the
Philipppines is so low....and he's not in any financial woes at
all.
and I can think other reasons, but my post is long so I'd stop here.
and oh, i forgot....
Floyd wants an even playing field...is it he who's really talking?
What about his actions during his fight with Morales?
Coming in 2 pounds over the contracted weight limit'...and refusing to be weighed prior to the fight itself....it is possible that he was 15 to 20 pounds bigger than JMM during the fight itself!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 11:08:48 PM
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PACLAND:
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PACMAN AGREED FOR TESTING AFTER THE FIGHT, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IF BEFORE THE FIGHT? THINK ABOUT IT!!!.......... COWARD!!!..........
Sunday Jan 24, 2010 08:58:11 AM
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kountedout:
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i have to say this, i hate needles! whenever i would get a blood test i dont even look at my arm when the nurse is inserting the needle. I dont wanna see it. i look the other way. i was watching the manny/cotto hbo 24/7 on youtube and manny was at dr gluckmans office getting his meds. if you look at manny while getting his blood drawn he looked down at the needle that was inserted in his arm an blood being drawn. im being real but imo that is not the sign of a guy who is afraid of a needle. thats 1 excuse i cant believe. if you listen to the end when manny is walking out of the office the narrator says "its a clean bill of health across the board the champion can return to the gym TOMORROW". I want to ask the question to those that are interested. if manny is getting into politics wouldnt taking a simple blood test show his honesty to all his fans. arnold schwarzenegger governor of california was a bigtime roid user. from my knowledge of policitics aren't most politicians corrupt
Sunday Jan 24, 2010 11:49:43 AM
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MisterLee:
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Same arguments... blah blah blah...
Sunday Jan 24, 2010 01:46:39 PM
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Team_Clottey:
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"I think Pacquiao beat guys like Cotto because Pacquiao beat drained fighters and make guys make weight that is not their weight. when they do that they already lose. If Pacquiao uses those things (PED's) that means he's a bad person. Why would a guy have to use something that is not legal. I don't want to talk about that. Mayweather is the best and I think Mayweather feels he has achieved all that he wants but there are fighters that want to fight him. The game is hard. It gets to a point you're gonna fight the guys who wants to fight you"
Sunday Jan 24, 2010 04:26:55 PM
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#1 PacFan "P4P King":
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@Isaiah, you know what I heard that too about Pac's camp accepting the 14 day window. I thought i was the only one but since you brought it up I'm not alone. I don't really know if it's true but if it's coming out of Roach himself and I read it on a couple sites it might be true. @kountedout, you're right about the needles, I look away myself when I get blood tested. Manny did make it clear that the needle frightening him didn't come from him it was just a rumor. He said that after the Morales fight he felt he was weakened from the blood test. He said getting blood tested too close to the fight will disrupt his training.
Sunday Jan 24, 2010 11:48:11 PM
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#1 PacFan "P4P Legend":
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Come on guys! Why are we talking about this anyway? This is old news, we have a great match-up on 3-13 at Dallas Stadium. I heard the tickets are selling like hotcakes. Surprised me there knowing that this wasn't the fight everyone was waiting for. The topics should be, who is going to win between Pacquiao-Clottey? And, who is Scareweather going to handpick next? Simple, Pacquiao by UD and Scareweather back to retirement.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 12:19:08 AM
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crottyruh:
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Mayweather back to retirement? seemingly so, since some sources hinted Floyd's NOT interested in fighting Mosley.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 02:38:55 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao by UD":
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Manny is going to bruise those ribs and break through Clottey's tough defense. I think Clottey is going to break his hands when he connects to Pacquiao's hard head. Manny's head will snap back with Clottey stiff jab. Watch out for the triple hooks to the body by Clottey who doesn't like to fight from the outside. He will try to rough Manny up against the ropes so Manny has to turn him like how he did with Cotto when back against the ropes. Expect the first couple of rounds similar to the fight with Cotto when Manny felt him out and see if he can take his punches. From there on we will see an all action fight.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 09:03:15 PM
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Isaiah:
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"sources hinted Floyd's NOT interested in fighting Mosley." Wow! Big suprise! Clap your hands and turn around and do the chicken dance! Let us all boot the waste of oxygen that is Floyd Mayweather the fudge back into retirement forever broke. @Saltlover. Friend. Even YOU would have to admit that if this is true and the way you know how Mosley would agree to ANYTHING to make this fight happen, that this is a total trick move.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 12:03:17 AM
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kountedout@#1PacFan:
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I agree with you that the March 13th fight is going to be a good fight. its a very solid fight. no negatives about this fight from me
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 12:26:01 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@kountedout, I'm with you on that! Clottey is a very live dog and he's got what it takes to spoil the party. I'm happy that Manny is giving these guys a chance to earn a good check since they have been battling throughout their careers. It might not just be a big check this guy will earn. If Manny does win this fight he should fight Mosley who is the #1 Welterweight in the world.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 10:33:11 AM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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