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They'd All Have To Be Morons To Not Let This Happen
By Ron Borges
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. may, if he wants it, have the last laugh yet.
After losing out on a potential $40 million payday that the entire sports world was looking forward to by insisting Manny Pacquiao prove he has regular and not high-test in his tank, negotiations continue for a possible May fight with Shane Mosley, who is the B side to a Mayweather-Pacquiao A side.
For the moment, Pacquiao has landed on high ground, but his March 13 fight at Cowboys Stadium with Joshua Clottey pales in interest and income when compared to a potential Mayweather-Mosley fight, if it happens. As the absurd Mayweather-Mosley negotiations made clear however, the men who run boxing could screw up Mardi Gras, so how much hope fans can hold out for such a fight should be minimal until contracts are signed and fighters are in training, because hope is wasted on these guys.
Richard Schaefer, the affable CEO of Golden Boy Promotions (who sort of represents both Mayweather and Mosley), said when the negotiations began with Pacquiao something he probably regrets but that proved to be painfully true.
“We’d all have to be morons to not let this happen,’’ Schaefer said at a time when it appeared they weren’t and it would. It didn’t and they are but I digress, although only slightly.
The problem with making Mosley-Mayweather is how does Mayweather get around the same issue of performance enhancing drugs that he raised in demanding he and Pacquiao submit to random blood testing right up to the fight?
Billy Martin once got himself in hot water when he said of Reggie Jackson and Yankees’ owner George Steinbrenner, “They were made for each other. One’s a born liar and the other’s convicted.’’ Well, Mosley has already been “convicted’’ by his own grand jury testimony in the BALCO case as a steroid and EPO user and, well, with Manny we now have to have our suspicions unless we really believe a guy with about 20 tattoos is so afraid of needles and blood loss he’d rather lose $40 million than submit to a common medical practice at an inconvenient moment or two.
There has been no public talk yet that Mayweather is insisting Mosley, who it is now clear needled up before his first fight with Oscar De La Hoya which he won with a burst of energy in the final two rounds, agree to random testing. But how could he not demand it after making it such a public issue with Pacquiao?
As for Schaefer, how could he argue against it with Mosley, his client, when he was so adamant about Pacquiao submitting to it even though he had never tested positive for PEDs nor been outted by his own testimony in front of a Federal grand jury?
These may or may not be dilemmas they have to contend with depending on the position Mayweather takes. The fact is Nevada, where the fight likely would be staged, is a state that claims to have rigorous testing when in fact it does not. Unless you have a prior they have never tested a fighter for PEDs with random blood testing and admit it. Meanwhile, former BALCO owner Victor Conte has said if faced with the Nevada athletic commission requirements he wouldn’t even bother to look at what was on their banned list because none of his clients would ever test positive under their protocols.
In other words, he’d be a bank robber with keys to the back door of the bank and the code to crack the vault.
So even though Mayweather’s close friend and confidante, Leonard Ellerbee, has said Mayweather would like to make the fight now that Andre Berto was forced to pull out of his Jan. 30 showdown with Mosley after losing family members and friends in the devastating earthquake in Haiti, the PED issue will hover over it. Will Mayweather insist as forcefully that someone who has admitted using them agree to random testing as he did of someone who has admitted no such thing nor ever been caught?
If he does, will Mosley submit to such testing to get a fight he has chased for some years now? Worse, if he doesn’t agree does it heighten suspicions about his recent ring successes and call further into question his legacy?
It makes for an interesting debate because if Mosley and Mayweather were to agree to random blood testing for PEDs where Pacquiao refused it would uplift them and their sport at a time when sports in general continues to be battered and buffeted by the growing links between so many of today’s top athletes and the use of steroids, HGH, EPO and God knows what else they’ve cooked up in labs around the world.
That is especially true for Mosley, who could make a real mea culpa for what he did before the first De La Hoya fight if he stepped forward and said simply, “I’m clean but I also understand the skepticism that exists around sports today. I will agree to a reasonable random testing proposal, reasonable being some sort of guarantee that no one shows up in the final few hours before the fight to draw my blood. I will also submit to an immediate post-fight blood test.’’
If Shane Mosley did that and Mayweather agreed to the same procedure boxing would suddenly have elevated itself above the tainted playing fields in baseball, football, the Olympic Games and in every other sport where the participants have begun to resemble statues chiseled out of marble rather than human beings.
It would also put the pressure squarely back on Pacquiao to answer the question that anyone who’s honest about it had when his fight with Mayweather fell apart: ‘Why won’t you just take the tests?’
If that leads to an early May showdown between Mayweather and Mosley it would give both of them the last laugh and the most money short of facing Pacquiao. Mosley would have gotten the fight he’s been chasing for some time after years ago refusing to give such a fight to a young Mayweather years ago. He would also have gone a long way toward cleaning up his reputation in the wake of his involvement in the BALCO scandal.
As for Floyd Mayweather, he would end up with the biggest fight left in boxing after he and Pacquiao made the worst fears of Richard Schaefer come true.
“We’d all have to be morons to not let this happen,’’ Schaefer said months ago. He could say it again if Mayweather-Mosley doesn’t happen either.
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SALT lover:
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Ron Borges: "Will Mayweather insist that someone who's admitted using PEDS agree to testing as he did of someone who hasn't?".....XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, that would be funny as hell!! Floyd not askin' Mosley to use random blood tests, they way he did to Pacquiao. DAMN! That would be a great message sent to Roach and Ariza. Anyways, even thought the title of this article is strong (Though it's commin' from a Floyd team member), it is True that this is the best time for those two to get in the ring. Floyd's relations with GBP, Mosley's partner, is great so there's no obstacle to make this fight. This is the fight Mosley needs to get a huge paycheck before livin', and this is the fight Floyd "needs" to boost his career, and shut his haters a little (Yeah, cuz shuttin' them completely is mission impossible). They should make the fight, and now is the time to do it. I think people should remain calm. They're not gonna announce it right away, but it looks great in the makin' from the outside. It has a pretty solid chance to make it a reality.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 05:18:55 PM
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emit:
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The author of this article is an idiot... you cannot compare mosley to pac man... one simple fact, mosley stated that he did not take roids knowingly, and took a lie detector test to prove it... news reporters need to start using their heads in conjunction with facts before they open the world to their corrupted minds.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 06:29:32 PM
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Jason:
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Floyd should have fought Mosley last year. Shane was the consensus welterweight champion (still is) and was ready, willing, and able. There was no reason whatsoever for the fight not to have already taken place. ----- My understanding is that Floyd will require ALL of his future opponents, be it Mosley, Pacquiao, or Carlos Baldomir's brother/sister, to submit to Olympic-style blood testing (and he has no choice but to do that now; it would be a PR nightmare otherwise). But here's a suggestion for Mosley. He should say yes, let's do that, but let's also take it a step further and ban Xylocaine as well. If you're throwing Nevada's rules and testing out the window, then you can't have it both ways with their allowance of Xylocaine. It's either OST or Nevada, not a hybrid of the two to suit one's interest.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 06:37:03 PM
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VAL:
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Agree with Jason.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 06:42:58 PM
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deon:
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This writer is really Pacquaio hater, he is subtly accusing the most exciting fighter today who nothing but gave the fans happiness and joy and entertainment with his hard work, dedication and superior talent. I can see fellow boxers and coaches especially like the Mayweather family who are jealous of Manny, who simply is better than any of them combined, and accuse him. When somebody is so good, this happens, read history books in any field. You either accept, be inspired and praise the man or accuse him with conspiracy and hidden agenda within and behind. So, I can see why the Mayweathers are accusing Manny, they want some limelight themselves even through accusing the man, Pacquiao. But what I don't really get and puzzled is how come and why these writers and media begin to accuse obviously nothing but one of the greatest fighters of all time and today, who they should only be grateful to have in this unpopular sport to normal public. Boxing as a sport, owes to Manny Pacquiao who now is a cross over star. And he is humble, gentle outside of ring, even morons and those who don't have common sense can see that. Ron Borges and writers like these who continue to accuse a great fighter like Manny and continue to praise a true criminal who in fact, should be investigated with drug issues, Mayweather like, what can I say, I do not buy this crappy happening. It's sickening, man. Media is the problem just like those who buy these craps, the public. I really think that in a month or two, the truth will emerge and the shame will forever be marked and linked with this writer and others who accuse the innocent, better yet, great boxer like Manny Pacquiao. I am not even a big fan of his, but I just cannot stand when I can see with my common sense that BS is happening. Also, by doing these acts, they better know they are committing serious abuse to the individual. That's why they will have no choice but embrace the backfire that will surely come very soon.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 06:45:13 PM
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Mark from Toronto Canada:
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Man you Pacquiao fans should just face the facts. Manny might be a great guy and a national hero in the Phillipines, but that does not hide the fact that he is running scared of RANDOM blood testing. No matter how you try and spin it, the fact of the matter is that any honest individual, whether they are a fan of Pacquiao, Mayweather or just an average boxing fan, is asking on some level.."what is Manny really hiding?". No one truly buys the taking blood makes him weak argument. That argument is so weak that it is embarrasing...The reality is Manny is the one who got bad advice on this issue. He is doing press conferences for his fight with Clottey and all the reporters are asking him is about the blood testing. He has been convicted in the court of public opinion by those who do not have a rooting interest in him or Mayweather. The only way he can clear his name and his reputation is to agree to RANDOM blood testing...otherwise no matter how many Filipino fans cut and paste their standard insults about Mayweather to every boxing website on the planet...the average fan will look at Manny as boxings equivelent of Mark McGwire...or Barry Bonds.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 06:54:16 PM
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Radam G:
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I will love to hear the new master of "Manifest Destiny" repeat that line: "We'd all have to be morons to not let this happen." Be "morons! Twice." I doubt that this dance is going to happen. Pops Joy May is not going to let his seed get any sugar. His son is on a diet of sugar-free smallest marshmellow-and-cherry-picked pugilists. Sugar is bad for your grill. Lil Floyd ain't trying to get that grill fudged up. Just as he was not going to get frozed up by Manila Ice. Family May doesn't like taking risks to get that arse thrashed. They love living in bubbles of illusions. And they ain't tryin' to get any of those bubbles popped by a metaphoric needle -- a fist. If you are on pee pee drinks from your mini-size dick, Lil Floyd will sign to fight you quick. If you are from a disfunctional family of _____and are coming off a lost, Lil Floyd will fight you. If you are a Brit who get ballooning weight between bouts, Lil Floyd will fight you. But if you have a chance to crack his goose egg, away from you he is going to edge! And it is all good. This is the hurt bitnezz. Family May is making the best business decision for themselves. With Uncle Roger going to trial next week, I doubt that Team and Family May will take a chance with a Sugarman who has a darn genie in his corne granting his every whupp-arse wish. They'd need the devil -- I mean Uncle Roger -- in their corner. I cannot wait to see how the morons ar not going to let this happen. I'm reminded of the late, great singer Teddy Pendegrass's song, "Love TKO." "I think you bettah let it goooooo! It looks lik' anotha' Luvvv TKO!" Holla!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 07:03:13 PM
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jasON:
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@Jason what is your problem dude. Floyd just came out of retirement. He wanted your boy Pac remember... the so called #1 fighter in the world. So now that your boy ran too Clottey to make Arum some more mula, Floyd is going after the next biggest fight available...the other guy your boy ran from to make Arum $$$(Cotto fight). Your love jones for Pacman clouds your judement. Think with your cojones if you got 'em instead of your emotion. Do research, look deeper. Don't know what else to tell you. Also to compare state of the art steroids to Xylocaine injected into the hands is pretty desperate homie. Everybody knows Floyd has bad brittle hands from boxing so long. That is a reason he retired, but you critics said he was afraid. If Floyd's opponents want to use Xylocaine it is their option, but Floyd will serve them. Keep trying to look for excuses when Floyd proves all you HATERS wrong.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 07:04:40 PM
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Pinoy Aussie Downunder:
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Come on so-called wise men, women and kids in the sports of boxing-- wake up, grow up & use your pea brain if you have any. Typical of your no brainer attitude, all you want to do or see is the immediate "consumption" of the this era's most valuable "commodity or brands" called PACMAN & the other MONEY MAYWEATHER. It has been so many decades after legendaries in sports the like of Joe Luis, Rocky Marciano & Muhammad Ali that boxing greats PACMAN & MONEY MAYWEATHER were born & made. All you guys wanted to do is cajule them to fight and crush each other in the ring just to satisfy your short sighted stupid ideas of who is the better boxer Manny Pacquaio or Floyd Mayweather. What would that do apart from seeing the collapse (again) or death (once more) of an sport that was dug from the "cemetery of sports." Its easy for you to egg and yell fight, fight. But, you arsehole have the brain of an asshole!! Pick the leaf from the top brands ADIDAS & NIKE .They don't have to kill each other to prove which is a better brand. The strive to be the best in their own ways and the whole world benefits from the best of the bests footwear! Get the message? Let & support PACMAN Pacquaio maintain & enjoy his glory in the Welterwight Class. Let & support Floyd MONEY MAYWEATHER maintain & show his class against more classy opponents. Maybe 2-3 fights for each. If that happens, the PACMAN vs MAYWEATHER brands becomes the worlds greatest tease or intrigue. towards the end of this year or sometime next year, they may or may not give the whole world the most awaited fight of this century. If they did'nt then historians, writers, commentators and hundreds of millions of fans will be talking and speculating for several generations to come on '"What if, or who really should have won the fight." Should they however, get into the ring (but not too soon) then so be it but, get them to climb on the ring at guarranted minimum $100Million each + royalties to future productions, books, media interviews, movies, merchandising, etc, etc. ! Why not? I want you arsehole to put your money where your mouth is. Would you pay $100-150 PPV? I would. Why? Because either of these two guys don't just get borne every year. They're God's gift to the sports of boxing. Thy should not be made to destroy each other for a pittance for the pleasure of arseholes like you to see one of them kiss the canvass. They are rare jewels and diamonds to be treasured!!! AMEN!!!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 08:24:49 PM
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reliable source:
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lets get it on MAYWEATHER VS MOSLEY title "XYROIDS" (xylocaine vs. steroids)
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:00:31 PM
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Al:
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All Mayweather has to do is be like John Kerry and say "I voted for a push in drug testing with Pacquiao before I voted for no drug testing with Mosley". Flip Flopper!!!!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:10:20 PM
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shannon:
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ron, do you get paid for this? question 1.why didn't floyd mention olympic style drug testing during his self made promo video when he said pacquiao would be easily beaten and had no versatility?. 2.why wasn't drug testing part of the original agreement that was outlined for pacquiao's approval when bob arum flew to the phillipines in late november?does olympic style drug testing catch cheaters, is it 100%accurate?why should manny pacquiao have to defend himself against allegations from a convicted felon?has manny pacquiao ever avoided any fighter, or had a problem making a fight? has floyd mayweather ever ducked a fighter or made negotiations a nightmare for a fight?has floyd mayweather ever tilted the field in his favor before a fight?why should manny have to take a test that floyd, marvin, oscar, shane, sugar ray, lennox, mike etc.etc.etc. never had to take?come on ron let's be real,the fight didn't happen because floyd never, ever wanted the fight. he admitted it in his video, remember"it's a no win situation for me". how can you people be so blind. floyd retired to avoid cotto, antonio, paul and shane. he came back after they all either lost or vacated the weight class. he's avoided every single worthy opponent since becoming a welterweight. the fight was set, he thought manny couldn't do it because of the date, and when manny said yes, he needed a way out. his dad and you, that's right, media like yourself ron, gave him the way out. he blinded you with drug tests, and you fell for it. he got you off track and shifted the focus from himself to manny. if you look at each guys character, in and out of the ring, you know why the fight didn't happen and its because floyd never wanted it to, now, you and teddy atlas can go burry your heads in the sand and dream about floyd and shane mosely.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:27:16 PM
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jon:
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This writer doesn't even think!!!!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:27:23 PM
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Oddsmaker:
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set the record straight Ron , Pacman never said he was afraid of needles , it was Bob Arum who said that also The Mayweather have already announced that all Floyds fight wil have the olympic style testing from now on . Pacman feels like who the hell is Floyd or Schaffer to dictate the rules , However if the boxing comission will change the rules Pacman will abide by them and not because of clowns like Floyd or Schaffer
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:29:53 PM
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Zans:
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believe it or not manny pacquiao does not fight for the manny anymore. He is fighting for his legacy and the pride of the philippines. When he fought agaisnt oscar he gave away $700,000 worth of tickets cuz he said he should share his blessings. He also own 400 hectres of industrial estate plus other businesses he is already a billionaire in the philippines. So walking away with $40million is not a big deal for him as long as his principles are not compromised. Why would he bow down to the demands of floyd. Pacman is the defending champ and pfp no.1 while floyd has no belt only no.2 pfp all he got is arrogance and lies.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:32:20 PM
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Paul:
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Awkward Writing. Ron..
Yeah. Mosely will agree to blood test just for the money, then test positive. This is what Schaefer has to worry about. This will be an apple pie on Golden Boys face. Golden Boy is better off if Floyd does his usual ducking on this one also.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:35:57 PM
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Bloodsucker:
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Because HGH, EPO and PED is hardly been detected in blood, It would be plausible and reasonable to draw Mayweather and Mosley's blood everyday until the fight night so that the accuracy and veracity of test result will be greatly enhanced and achieved. It will make Mayweather's demand more meaningful if it happens that way. Even the USADA and all the Anti-doping agency will be of great appreciation to them and will make them a great role model to all boxers and sports personality out there. "Do the blood test EVERYDAY and let us see what all those doubters and belivers will say".
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:38:53 PM
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EXAMINERAUTHOR:
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Mayweather Jr: Will u ask Mosley to undergo the bloodtestings?
Mosley: Will you agree or comply?
THE WORLD AWAITS
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 09:54:00 PM
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Fidel:
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the statement \\"why wont he just take the test\\" is this misleading garbage KFC's camp and his followers have been perpetuating! Manny AGREED to take the damn tests!!! Even though the NSAC didn't require it, he AGREED to three tests and then even up to 24 days before the fight! Jesus! Get your facts straight! read the article by Michael Marley at Examiner dot com because it has some scientific facts from the head of USADA! 24 days v 14 days has no scientific basis at all!!!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 10:34:36 PM
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jim spain:
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The question is will Floyd step up the plate against Mosley? The truth is he is only pretending that he wants Mosley badly very badly then at the end of the day will find a way to wiggle out of the fight. Poor Mosley.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 10:46:03 PM
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Edwin Habacon:
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Mosley said he would already submit himself to Blood testing, now the ball is in Floyd's court. I would be surprised if Floyd demanded 80/20 to duck Mosley.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 10:49:54 PM
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Ver:
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Again why are we forgetting that Mayweather jr. used xylocaine to numb his hands. The stuff is illegal in all states of the USA except NEVADA that is why Floyd Jr. don't want to fight Pacquiao outside NEVADA because he is planning to use his Xylocaine drug.... tsk tsk tsk...
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 10:51:02 PM
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touchstone:
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mAYWEATHER TEAM ARE MORONS!!!
BOB ARUM TEAM ARE THINKING WHAT'S GOOD FOR BOXING! BOB BEING A VISIONARY AS HE IS, ALL THE WHILE DURING THE NEGTIATIONS WAS THINKING DIFFERENT..DIFFERENT FROM A USUAL MIND. HE'S THINKING OF BRINGING BACK BOXING TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND DALLAS COWBOYS STADIUM IS JUST THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT EVENT!..NOT IN MGM GRAND!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 10:52:37 PM
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bigDan:
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Mr Writer, why do you keep repeating this Manny is scared of needles propaganda? Manny never said that and it was also taken out of context and blown out of proportion
And just to educate you a little bit! Manny will still make money from the Clottey fight because for your info, compared to Pac-Mayweather, which is a 50-50 split, the Clottey one isn't!
Get your facts right!!!
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:09:14 PM
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homer:
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Please read the articles written by Dsource (Dennis Guillermo) about blood testing of Manny. You might be enlighten and you wont be commenting sarcastically. In my opinion, you are not a good writer. You still need to be more professional.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:12:47 PM
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OrlyS:
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Is this article a prelude for Mayweather to duck Mosley? Sure does sound so. Mayweather put up the PED issue to duck all potential opponents that can beat him, he's really a COWARD. Stop calling yourself the best if you can't back it up.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:30:23 PM
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jayzee:
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Hi Ron, I think you made a misleading lines in your article, Actually the fight between Manny and floyd did not materialized is because of the SCHEDULE of the blood test and not that MANNY DOESN'T"T WANT THE TEST COMPLETELY.
Why is that Manny is just simply take the test, obey floyd for the sake of public and for the 40M$?
The main reason here is the political tactics and maneuvering of floyd that preventing the fight. After ironing issue upon issue It is just simply he will find another way to wiggle it out to prevent the fight.
.For your information in the last day of negotiation not only judge was their to mediate but there is also scientist and expert to give insight on the issue in FEDs.
But at the end of the day nothing agreed upon and both camp pointing to each other and Manny Pacquiao left behind along with this stinky and sticky FEDs issue.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:38:21 PM
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bennie:
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if u afraid of loosing i little blood y r u n the wrong sport i would b glad 2 give a few drops of blood n make 25mil plus. if mayweather refused 2 blood test u birds would b singing another song.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:38:37 PM
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sikadjose:
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FLOYD is a COWARD!! i dont think this fight will HAPPEN.. i think both FIGHTERs should take PEDs to there will be no dispute to TESTING!! hikhikhik... its FAIR PLAY!! but FLOYD will DUCK this for SURE.. HEs now thinking of another EXCUSE not to fight MOSLEY caus i know SHANE will surely KILL HIM... hikhikhik
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:42:05 PM
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MarQ:
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You are a real moron to say that manny might be using PED's.
Manny has agreed to have random blood testing up to 24 days before the fight and unlimited urine testing up to the time of the fight plus blood test right after!
HAve you asked yourself if taking PED's within 23 days be beneficial for a fighter? Would one using it for maybe 16 days make him a superman already? Remember that there is still unlimited urine testing being done and if he is into PED's, he must cleanse or mask whatever drugs he has in his system at least a few days before the fight!
Only a real one eyed moron cannot see through that! If he can become superman for less than 23 days, why would one train for 8 weeks?
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:50:17 PM
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Dik:
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‘Why won’t you just take the tests?’ Manny agrees to take the tests. It's the schedule that they are at odds.
Thursday Jan 21, 2010 11:53:28 PM
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nissay:
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If the fight pushes through
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:09:54 AM
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nissay:
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If Floyd insists to have that Olympic-style testing, Mosley should likewise demand that the fight be held anywhere but in Nevada where xylocaine is illegal. Let's get an even playing field for these 2 fighters.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:12:40 AM
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don:
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radam g..you're a good writer, very entertaining to read
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:15:58 AM
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Steve:
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Read as far as, "...well, with Manny we now have to have our suspicions unless we really believe a guy with about 20 tattoos is so afraid of needles and blood loss he’d rather lose $40 million than submit to a common medical practice at an inconvenient moment or two." and realized that the author didn't bother to check the facts. Who the hell said Pacquiao was afraid of needles? Go to his website and get his explanation as opposed to the misinformation you're sharing here. Produce 1 (One) credible quote from anywhere (besides pulling it out of a hat) where Manny said that he was afraid of needles. Good luck w/ that. Floyd was trying to screw with Manny in a major way psychologically. If you can't figure that out - what can you figure out? Pacquiao should jump through hopes imposed by Floyd? Who the hell is he? Is he a sanctioning body of some sort - or an athletic commision? Floyd gambled with his up till now unheard of blood testing demands for boxing trying to mess with the mind of Pacquiao - and lost. Floyd was looking for a way out of this fight - and he found it w/ the blood testing demands.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:17:55 AM
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Isaiah:
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I think the same of basically what Jason was getting at. Nevada needs to change their rules and not allow fhe use of Xylocaine anymore. Shane should be saying that he'll gladly take the blood tests if a huge effort is made to enforce this in ALL of boxing from this point on. Cmon! Let's get on the first step of getting this passed for the entire sports world in general if blood testing everyday is so freakin great, but just be sure to have reasonable limits on it! Don't test more than once a day because I'm not paying to see to 2 guys weakened! You can't keep on interuppting training. There's a time and place for everything and like I've been saying, there is NO time or place ever for any type of cheating! If I see these 2 go at it in the ring, there better not be any advantages over one another outside of their own natural talent! Cmon guys, can I get some support on this?! The time for settling for anything less is over! No Xylocaine fo you Floyd! No Balco for you Shane! This desperatly NEEDS to be straight up completly with out controversy! Only things allowed are good food and good training! Let's get it on!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:26:32 AM
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Badong:
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This demented old writer is so biased I will not make a comment here. The subject is about Mosley and Mayweather but he injected a snide remark thrown at Pacquiao to get more hits from Pacnuts, argh!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:32:02 AM
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Gil P. Acosta:
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Aren't you reading news? Mosley's camp said they will do all the tests that Mayweather requires and now we have a fight. It is not a question of blood testing, but more on Mayweather's willingness to man up and fight Mosley. What's taking the fight so long? Mosley is ready and willing and agreeable to all the demands of Mayweather. Your article sucks!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:39:53 AM
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BoxFan:
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Nice match up!!! Floyd Mayweather vs Shane Mosley.. Xylocaine user versus Steroid user.. Both trash talkers and cheaters.. can't wait to see this fight.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:42:43 AM
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Yes Yo!:
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Floyd vs. Shane is a good good fight, but let's hold our horses because the fight is not yet a done deal. We have to remember who we're dealing with here, the same Floyd, Jr. who apparently agree to fight Manny with much haste only to scuttle the fight later by making an unprecedented demand. I like the fight to happen, but my confidence about it being made is only 30% at the moment.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:49:07 AM
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Sonny:
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Pacquiao is agreeable to blood testing but not random style as Mayweather wanted to happen. But this writer is still telling the public that Pacquiao does not want it because he is afraid of needle but has tattoes on his arms. Do not distort facts, please, you are misinforming the people. Just tell the truth that Mayweather is just afraid to face the Pacman.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:51:33 AM
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Paclander:
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"you've just crossed the bridge when you get there" until these two will sign the contract it will not happen and I DOUBT IT TO HAPPEN
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:59:34 AM
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Marlon:
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Manny neversaid that he's afraid of needles.it's Oscar when he tried to blow the whole PED issue about Manny. According to USADA head Travis Tygart "EPO can be masked 10 minutes before the testing. If Manny is using these drugs, then he know that he won't test posiitive even they draw blood before the fight. What he does not like is that there should be no blood drawing from him 24 days before the fight and only right after the fight at his locker room he is willing to give his blood samples. This PED issue is a joke! This can only be alibisf or not fighting Manny. We can compare Manny and Floyd Jr. as a human and see whether whom of the two is credible.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:03:49 AM
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jc:
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It would also put the pressure squarely back on Pacquiao to answer the question that anyone who’s honest about it had when his fight with Mayweather fell apart: ‘Why won’t you just take the tests?’
Ron whats wrong with having the test Immediately after the fight???
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:23:30 AM
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thegreatestfight.com:
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Pacquiao-Clottey is just a tune up fight, Pacquiao-Mayweather is still the fight all fans want to see...
The question still remains, will Mayweather steps up to the challenge now that Berto pulled out? He should have agreed to fight Mosley by now.
Pacquiao now starts doing his thing, Floyd better starts doing his... Check out Pacquiao-Mayweather latest news - thegreatestfight . com
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:24:54 AM
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mrricardez:
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such negativity. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. mosley is coming for war!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:25:07 AM
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Carlito:
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To Author,
I was enjoying your article until you lost me with your stupid comment on Pacquiao, tattoos, and afraid of needles. Let me give you some points your stupid comment. Pacquiao has never said he's afraid of needles that stupid lie was perpetrated by the ignorant people at GBP and the Mayweather Camp, the process of tattooing is a LOT different from the process of drawing blood, and according to Mayweather's conditions, the blood tests will NOT be one or two but considerably a LOT more.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:30:42 AM
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Isaiah:
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The truth hurts for a few. Notice how we seem to have to wait foreever for a DIRECT response from Mayweather himself even though it seems Shane will agree to anything? Cmon Floyd! Don't sign to fight no one else! Don't drag out the negotions! Don't come up with demand after demand after demand after demand after demand after demand after demand after demand... Just have your guy give you a pen, yey that's right... Put a couple of fingers around the pen. Put the pen to the line on the paper and sign the contract! Wow! SO HARD TO DO!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:47:58 AM
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jovetzky:
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Floyd said he doesn't want to fight someone on steroids that's why he wants the blood-test. So what's the point in taking the blood-test for steroid on Pacquiao when floyd is willing to negotiate a fight with mosley who already benefited from steroid.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 01:51:30 AM
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Prime1:
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My one big question is, will Shane ask that Mayweather Jr. not be allowed to take Xylocaine?
If they are honest about ridding boxing of PEDs and Steroids, then they should also put Xylocaine on the table!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:15:22 AM
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tobol:
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PAC didn't say anything being afraid of the needles, check your facts dude, it was koncz or arum who said that and it's been misconstrued all over the internet, it's totally different with tattooes because they do it at pac's free time, no impending fight to distract whatsoever, PAC's point is he doesn't want to give blood SO CLOSE to fight night because it weakens him mentally, proofs all over the net, search youtube for his interview with the morales fight, they took some blood on him 1 day before the fight!! imagine the mental trauma he experienced when he lost because he thought it was because of the blood test! would you risk being not 100% in condition with this magnitude of a fight? PAC has been an honest fighter you obviously don't know that because you only know of him today..we have been following pac on all his fights and we know his character, look at all his fights, he doesn't resort to cheap shots, he don't want any unfair advantage, i happen to look at mayweather vs gatti, mayweather suddenly punched gatti when gatti was obviously unguarded looking at the ref, there was some confusion as the ref seems to interefere before that's why gatti let his guard down, pac would never do such things! and yeah it's not all about the money, pinoys are proud people, how would you feel if I accuse you of being mentally retarded all of a sudden and prove to me otherwise, if i accuse you of cheating on your spouse and prove otherwise, mayweather is playing mind games to gain an unfair advantage, it's so obvious, why would he propose a 14 day window, it defeats the random testing he is been pushing
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:17:56 AM
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Marc Cole:
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Two things indicate weakness/cowardness that fits to PBF:
1. To SPEAK when it's proper to be SILENT.
2. To be SILENT when it's proper to SPEAK.
He was challenging PAC on camera before, & when PAC accepted the challenge, he got very silent. Seems to be repeating w/ fighting against Mosley. So very slow negotiation if there's any...Mosley challenged PBF face to face already, nothing's happened. Reason? Well that's an open knowledge to most already.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:20:33 AM
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NANING:
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Mr. Borges, you are, a little harsh on Pacquiao. "It would also put the pressure back on Pacquiao to answer the question that anyone who's honest about it had: Why won't you simply take the tests?"
It is really mind-boggling for an average American, conditioned since birth to worship money, to understand why someone from an impoverished Asian country like Pacquiao can refuse $40 million. The simple reason is that Pacquiao already has $40 million. For someone who grew up dirt poor, he does not need another $40 million. What he needs is to win. He needs to win the Mayweather fight, for his millions of fanatical followers. He cannot let them down. Losing will be worth more than $40 million. It will be worse than death. The shame of losing the greatest fight of the century, will be suffered by him, his children and grandchildren yet unborn.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:20:48 AM
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Boots:
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Yeahh, Mayweather Jr. can ask for all the random urine and blood test in the world for Mosley to fight him, while on the other hand Mosley would request that Jr. should not be allowed to use xylocaine to numb his hand for the fight. The NSC should ban Jr. for using this substance to even the playing field as Jr. mouthed.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:35:10 AM
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Hammond, South Africa:
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Floyd is a moron by fighting the bigger Sugar Shane for less money. A risky fight that could shatter Floyd's boxing legacy.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:54:32 AM
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Titan:
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mosley owns 5% GBP, he's already old and ready to retire. GBP is packed with bussiness man. if he (mosley) allow himself to win over floyd he will have money for that fight only and no profit from his share of GBP in future if he retires because GBP will be out of bussiness because their precious gem floydy already loose its worth to negotiate with the best out there like pacquiao and im sure mosley wont allow that to happen because he need money from his bussinees GBP for his retirement, so yeah mosley vs floydy is not worth watching, maybe 3~5 yrs. back is ok but not now, because their fight will be full of acting and its like watching a scripted wwe or a crap telenovela... dont get me wrong, i like mosley fight but GBP and most of the fighters under it are becoming bad actors, i guess same feathers flock together ei, which is very bad for the sport of boxing which i love, to tell u honestly floydy should stay retire because since he's back the world of boxing became funny again like changing the rules, hatred, jealousy, etc.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:36:07 AM
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George Colas:
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Yeah Yeah!! Pacquiao sucks because he aint taking the drug test asking ofcourse of my pal Mayweather.....Pacquiao is a big cheater...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:44:49 AM
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lariboy:
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Let Floyd and Mosley sign a fight contract first. Fight talk is all talk when there is no contract signed yet let alone there is a duck in the negotiations. Until no concrete proof that Floyd and Mosley are fighting, we might as well not talk about it yet.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:04:30 AM
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jin:
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you have to be a moron on repeating what schafer is saying!?
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:01:53 AM
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NEWV:
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Floyd will find another issue to throw!trust me.....
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:04:38 AM
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dp69:
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I can see it already...scareweather is gonna ruin this $#1t again...he's gonna ask mosley to go test himself for captain crunch cereal...if mosley denies it, the fight will be cancelled...scareweather will do anything in his power to get out of the fight...deep inside his heart, he wants to fight matthew hatton...lmfao...holla back!!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:12:45 AM
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Adoremus:
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Mosley wil agree to anything just to get the high money fight. But I were him, I'll push for banning the xylocaine sh*t. He's not fought for more than year and a half, he's 39 byt the time they fight and he's going to be over trained after completing his training for Berto fight. If Floyd still allowed to use xylocaine, I'd bet Mosley is going to loose and he's going to eat back all that trash talking he's done to Floyd. Again, Floyd has the upper hand. If Floyd still looses, that will prove he's actually a no great boxer, period.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:50:40 AM
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brownsugar:
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It's a non issue,... do you forget that Mosely offered to cut off a few pounds of flesh,..just for the opportunity of getting at catchweight master extrordinaire Manny Pac,.. who still refused MOsely at 140lbs,.. Roach said Mosely was too much of a risk and hits too hard hitter for him to send his boy Pac against... Mosely has already stated,.. he will give blood tests,..piss tests,..and swab DNA from his the tissues in his mouth on the day of the fight if necessary,.. or anything else Mayweather proposes in order to make this.... (Mosely's dream fight a reality),... don't worry,.. Mosely will not punk out,... refuse to test,... or file any liebel suits,... Mosely is a born warrior,.. he'll settle his account with Floyd in ring,..the way that boxers are supposed to do,..... all you gotta do is pay the man....
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:19:56 AM
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brownsugar:
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the truth about xylocaine according to NCAA which is a lot more strict than any Boxing Commission,..
(b) Local Anesthetics. The Executive Committee will permit the limited use of local anesthetics under the following conditions: (1) That procaine, xylocaine, carbocaine or any other local anesthetic may be used, but not cocaine; (Revised: 12/9/91, 5/6/93) (2) That only local or topical injections can be used (i.e., intravenous injections are not permitted*** the truth is..... the topical anesthetic is used by quarterbacks,... gymnasts,... golfers,.. basketball and baseball players nationwide who fall under the NCAA jurisdiction... the laws are easily found on the internet thru a variety of sources,.. don't let the armchair haters tell you different..
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:36:17 AM
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Matthew:
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I really like Borges' columns, but he has been very inaccurate with the facts lately. It was not in the first fight with De La Hoya that Mosley admitted to using PEDs, but rather their rematch. I've stated on here before, I like my minutiae to be accurate. As for Mayweather, if he doesn't demand blood testing of Mosley (a known user), then he was more scared of Pacquiao than I originally thought. For the record, Mosley has already said that he will agree to any testing protocol stipulated. The man just wants the fight. I have no doubt that Mosley will sign, but I'm not at all convinced that Mayweather will. If he does, I'll be impressed.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:46:45 AM
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monkeyU:
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I bet this fight will not happen again even if they are in the same promotions... pbf is a great defensive fighter. he will defend himself again not to fight mosley. the REAL PROBLEM is with Mayweather Jr. "MAYWEATHER DUCKS AGAIN' gonna be a good title to an article next...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:13:36 AM
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nicholsjet:
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The first guy who said that the KFC-Pacman won't gonna happen still says that KFC-Mosley won't see the daylight!!!
SURPRISE ME CHICKEN FLOYD!!!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:19:33 AM
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MisterLee:
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I love Ron Borges and all, and his writing, but shyooot, ya gotta be a moron to think this mosley mayweather business will actually happen. If this fight was really on the table, don't you think we'd hear about negotiations and status so far? Schaeffer ain't exactly a quiet individual. Holler! Lucy has pulled the football once too many, and Chuck Brown ain't takin' that SH***T no' more! Holler!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:46:20 AM
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MisterLee:
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But what can I say, the average boxing fan, HELL, the average and even more hardcore fan GUILLIBLE as hell! Ya'll da same ones who let the manufactured 24/7 fool you into believing Marquez May, Pacquiao Hatton fights were going to be even fights. All the yellow piss drinking and rock throwing had all ya'll fooled! ("two of my favorite fighters fighting, they're both warriors! I won't be surprised if Marquez gives a rusty Floyd the fight of his life!") Ya'll some fools sometimes, letting the media coddle you and manipulate your opinions! It's all good, "ignorance is bliss" I guess! Holler! As for me, I ain't gonna buy into this Mosley May sh**t, I've already given up on Floyd. He'll fight campbell at a recreation center on closed circuit television and sell 1million PPV's for all I care, his NH's will still reign him the greatest, and pacquiao will still outdo Mayweather fo' sure! Holler!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 09:50:27 AM
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kissmrsjones:
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Mayweather-Mosley fight will never happen. I don't think Mayweather is dumb enough to risk his marketability if he loss to Sugar. Money May will loss his negotiation leverage to possible Pacquiao fight. Goodbye 50-50 purse share and the biggest payday in his life. If Nevada banned the use of xylocaine then Floyd career is over and retire for good.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:04:43 AM
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The Saint:
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I can't believe Ron "Mayweather's" Whoreges is still insisting that Pacquiao is "afraid of needles." Whoreges should take the an** beads that Mayweather left out of his arse.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:21:08 AM
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mike p:
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Mosley-Mayweather : The best boxing circus just like watching MME.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 10:29:14 AM
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ladyspy:
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you boxing fans are being manipulated! :-) no idea at all. I respect Andre Berto's decision but this is what really happened: The Mayweather camp and GBP sat down discuss how they can save Mayweather's reputation of ducking legit welters because Manny has finally decided to fight one of the most feared in the Welterweight division. He was saved by the bell! no, saved by the earthquake. the GBP talked to Berto that he might not be able to concentrate during the fight because of what happened in Haiti and some of his relatives died. They offered him MOney to back out and lo and behold, we have Mayweather and Mosley. I will watch this fight after 1 week on hbo but never pay!! and thats a guarantee :-) so, all along this GBP, that i hate now, are bunch of schemers!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:04:34 AM
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Fe'Roz on Xylocaine:
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Brownsugar, Your research is correct ... but incomplete. Regarding the NCAA regulations to which you referred, you conveniently left out the last part: (3) That use (of Xylocaine) is medically justified only when permitting the athlete to "continue the competition" without potential risk to his or her health. Clearly, the State of Nevada does not believe that the use of Xylocaine before the fight (the only time it could, given the wraps and gloves, be applied or injected, meets that standard. Nor do I. In fact, I think you might reasonably argue that a fighter hitting another without fear of or feeling of pain in his (lethal) hands, is a great advantage.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:26:31 AM
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Fe'Roz @ RADAM:
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Your point about Roger may very well have touched on one of the reasons Floyd isn't demanding this fight Now. I can't imagine that he wants to finally meet Shane Mosely with out his trainer in his corner; a strong possibility given the uncertainty of Uncle Roger's schedule. Or should I say 'free time'.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:30:50 AM
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Fe'Roz on Lawsuits:
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If any one has wondered where Pops has been lately.... or how quiet he has become .... think Libel and Law suits. It is fairly standard that when your client is accused of and sued for libel and/or slander, the defending attorney instructs (or at least attempts to) his client to keep a low profile. In other words, shut his trap; lest he compromise his already compromised legal position. This is a particular irony in the case of Mosely v Mayweather. Floyd and his whole family should be out front (and out loud) be lambasting Mosely and his history. But, if they have decent legal advice, they already know that anything more that they say or do might very well be held legally against them.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:39:31 AM
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Mountain God:
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i doubt Floyd signs, man they probably need the money though in a bad way now lawsuits and gambling,roger lawsuit, mumbling Sr lawsuit it'll be pac vs mosley next after Clottey. Who's going to train Flyod maybe uncle tom Manny Steward LOL
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:53:36 AM
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SmoovOne:
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Come on Sweet Science, stay current with your reporting. Mayweather's Camp has already stated that "random" blood testing would be required for any (and that would Include Mosley, pacquiao, whoever) future bouts. Ellerbe stated that after the negotiations failed for the Pac fight and he re-iterated that a week ago.
Come on guys, get with it! This is a wasted article! This issue has already been addressed.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 11:54:14 AM
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Jason @ jasON:
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"...what is your problem dude. Floyd just came out of retirement. He wanted your boy Pac remember... the so called #1 fighter in the world. So now that your boy ran too Clottey to make Arum some more mula, Floyd is going after the next biggest fight available...the other guy your boy ran from to make Arum $$$(Cotto fight). Your love jones for Pacman clouds your judement. Think with your cojones if you got 'em instead of your emotion. Do research, look deeper. Don't know what else to tell you. Also to compare state of the art steroids to Xylocaine injected into the hands is pretty desperate homie. Everybody knows Floyd has bad brittle hands from boxing so long. That is a reason he retired, but you critics said he was afraid. If Floyd's opponents want to use Xylocaine it is their option, but Floyd will serve them. Keep trying to look for excuses when Floyd proves all you HATERS wrong." ----- I don't know where to begin but I'll try to respond sequentially. Floyd just retired so what's my problem? My problem jasON is that Floyd proclaims himself to be the best fighter P4P EVER, better than Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali. Those are HIS words, not mine. As such, I don't care that he was coming off of a 21-month respite or hiatus (he wasn't retired, spare me), he should have fought Mosley last year as opposed to a constipated Marquez, with whom he "stacked the deck" against (I don't recall the author here at TSS that coined that phrase, but it's the most fitting description I've heard). Let me remind you of what Ray Leonard did once upon a time. He was retired for 3 years and without a tune-up fight (such as against a pudgy and overmatch JMM of his time), he jumped from welterweight to middleweight to challenge Hagler for his undisputed title. I expect more out of the self-proclaimed best P4P fighter ever. That's just me. ----- You say he wanted "my boy" Pac. Pacquiao's not my boy. I'm a fan, just as I'm a fan of Chad Dawson, Andre Ward, Mosley, and a number of other guys, but I'm not a rabid fan. Boxing's better because Pacquiao's around, and I think that's indisputable. I also respect his old-school willingness to glove up against the best. He's boxing's gold standard right now. ----- You go on to say he "ran to Clottey," while Floyd is going after the next biggest fight available. Again, that's just a silly, nonsensical comment. Ran to Clottey? Most guys run FROM Clottey because he's high risk/low reward. And if Floyd is going after Shane, why has the fight not been announced? It should take less than a morning to assemble this thing in principle, issue a press release, and kick the promotion into high gear. ----- Floyd has brittle hands, you say, so he should be able to use Xylocaine? Why is Xylocaine banned in 49 states? I'm not a doctor, but I'll say this: If it allows him to punch without pain, then it's a PED. Period. Mark McGwire said that PED's allowed him onto the field. Great. Then WITHOUT PED's, he wouldn't have hit all those dingers. That's a PED. In fact, while I agree with Pacquiao on a personal level for not allowing Mayweather to dictate the terms and bully him in the negotiations, I think a card he left on the table (mistakenly) was the Xylocaine card. He should have said, "Floyd, even though Xylocaine is widely considered a PED, and indeed it's illegal in 98% of the United States, I'm going to allow you to use it." Or something to that effect and at every press conference I'd have been talkin' 'bout Xylocaine! ----- Last thing, I'm not a hater of Floyd. Not at all. Read carefully here, because this is important: I'm just a hater of Floyd's strength of schedule. I WANT him to fight a live body, and as a fan of his, so should you. I wish I could get all perked up over his fighting Malignaggi or Rocky Juarez, but I can't. I wish I could, but I can't.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:22:49 PM
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gary:
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they should ban xylocaine to 'level the paying field'
Friday Jan 22, 2010 12:26:02 PM
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Uncle Sam:
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Backfire will surely come to their heads by ducking the Pacman. No matter who Jr Floyd will fight next in the ring, boxing fans around the Globe will display their revenge by attacking Floyd PPV.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 02:03:57 PM
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Fe'Roz on Xylocaine:
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It is banned. Everywhere but Nevada. Injecting it, for a boxer, is considered by most commissions to be dangerous. Both to their opponent and themselves. It may give them a false sense of confidence, allow them to throw with greater abandon, and cause injury. Many times to the one using it to mask their pain. Hence the ban.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:47:08 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@Jason, my post may not sound as good as that BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 03:55:17 PM
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brownsugar@Fe'Roz:
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boxing is a dangerous sport,.. and if a boxer can't use his hands the way the sport necessitates,... it does create a risk for fighter with the bad hands,... because he can't throw,... which means he can't defend himself,.. did athletes like Steve Young the former quarterback for the 49ners get a bad rap for having more spare parts sewn into his flesh than the 6 million dollar man,.. and being so injured most of the time that he was getting injections during some of his games... no,...is there an asterkist next to his superbowl wins,.. no,..(and Steve is still suffering from his many NFL injuries) by saying that Floyd could somehow hit harder than Shane,.. Pac,, Valero or any other,.. puncher you're paying him a HUGE compliment,..Could Green have hit Roy Jones any harder than he already did if his hands were injected with the stuff??,... what about Tyson??,...would he have killed an opponent getting his hands injected??,...and when was the last time Floyd sent someone into a comma??,.. Marquez didn't look any worse for wear,... most boxers punch as hard as they can... all the time,..THATS WHAT FIGHTERS DO,.... but some have fragile bones and ligiments and are more suseptible to pain and injury than others,.. xylocaine won't give a boxer strength,.. greater reflexes or stamina,.. it just allows the fighter to compete,..unfettered by searing pain... besides the micro fractures in Floyds hands are better documented than the Bill of Rights,.. I doubt than any athlete in any sport gets a topical analgesic for the fun of it... the only thing that can give a fighter greater confidence is if he's using PED's to increase muscle mass and strenght,.. or EPO's that increase the level of oxygen in the blood to improve stamina,...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:52:28 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Two hundred and twenty five days. That's 2-2-5. Days. Until Shane turns 39 Year Old. The clock is ticking.... and still no announcement of a signed contract. Tick-Tock. Tick !?!
Friday Jan 22, 2010 04:55:42 PM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@brownsugar, the point is that Xylocaine is a banned substance. Clearly shows why he wanted to fight in Vegas and not Dallas. If it's only to protect his fragile hands then, why keep fighting? If you can't take the heat stay out of the fire. Regarding Steve Young---IMA NINERS FAN---it wasn't a big deal because he wasn't there to hurt his opponents. No matter which way you look at it he is the one cheating by protecting himself. If he gets to use xylocaine then his opponents should be allowed head gear.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:08:32 PM
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brownsugar@#1Pacfan:
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that fact that it's not banned in the NCAA and it's already used by thousands of amateur athletes tells me that there's nothing wrong with the drug if it's properly prescribed,.. You and 99% of the Pacfans on this site have praised Manny for his punching power,... and mostly all agree that he hits harder than Floyd,... So now Floyd has become is too dangersous because the xlylocaine injections he takes thru some mystery of TSS logic have suddenly transformed Floyd into a puncher of mythical proportions,.. able to issue brain damage with arm punches... can you hear the hyprocracy of your words,.. more people have died or have either suffered debilitating injuries on the football field than in boxing,.. if it's legal for tennis players,.. basketball players,.. base ball players and football players(both legal and pro) it's legal for boxers,.. and the fact is,..THE DRUG IS LEGAL.. there's really no debate here,.. the real crime is if someone is using PEDs Epos,.. bricks in gloves,... removed padding,.. to increase the force of a punch,.. now that is recognized as a felony,.. to try to make xylocaine appear to be something even remotely equal to PEDs that can enhance a fighters ablility is grasping at the thinnest of straws...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:35:03 PM
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You know I respect you too much to let you get away with that argument. My comments above were generic. They were not about any fighter. They were about all fighters. So I'll repeat: Regarding the NCAA regulations to which you referred, you conveniently left out the last part: (3) That use (of Xylocaine) is medically justified only when permitting the athlete to "continue the competition" without potential risk to his or her health. Clearly, the vast majority (49 of 50) of boxing commissions do not believe that the use of Xylocaine BEFORE the fight (the only time it could, given the wraps and gloves, be applied or injected) meets that standard. Nor do I. In fact, I think you might reasonably argue that a fighter hitting another without fear of or feeling of pain in his (lethal) hands, is a great advantage. Citing Steve Young is like citing Dick Butkus; both have painful reminders (and plenty of glory) daily of their own history. Football has it's own history and drug demons. The use of painkillers is but one. But we are talking boxing. Not football. And 49 states BAN Xylocaine in professional Boxing. For a reason. Just the facts. No Names. Just the Facts.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 05:53:26 PM
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Sugarman, very good points. But with all due respect, why is it banned in 49 states? I'm absolutely NOT an authority on Xylocaine or steroids of any kind, I only know what I read, but there must be a reason that 49 states don't allow it. Is it legal in Olympic competition (I truly don't know)? If it IS, then I'd say no problem, because that's what Floyd was asking for, Olympic-style testing. But if it's NOT legal in that sphere, then I would argue that it's out the window with Xylocaine, because after all, who cares if Nevada allows it, as Nevada's testing has been usurped by Olympic testing for this fight. I think what I've tried to say -and perhaps too harshly, I'll concede that looking back- is that I would fight fire with fire, be it mind games, or personal attacks, etc, if that is what was happening to the guy I represented. I would say to the other side, privately, you can attack my guy's record all day long. Call him a C-level fighter, a bum, etc, attack his losses, that's fine, but if you launch personal, character assassinations, we'll be responding in kind. I would NOT let my guy get bullied or strong-armed in the war of words.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:01:48 PM
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brownsugar@Fe'Roz:
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the football analogy applies just fine,.. it's a contact sport where athletes can suffer extreme life threatening injuries due to physical impact,...so it has to apply,........ the drug is legal,.. if only in Vegas,..,...and it's also used in the NCAA(if only marginally),.. so to try to demonizethe use of commonly used drug in a state,.. where it's legal,.. is not even debatable,.. .... how many fighters have fear of throwing punches,..with abandond??? (only the few with bad hands) most fights I've seen,.. the contestants throw shots with every fiber of strength in their body,..and they are praised when they land a hard shot,... I hit the bag myself and the mitts/pads to stay in shape ,.. and no topical pankiller injection could possibly make me hit it any harder, if you examine your own comment about throwing with abandon,....a fighter that throws with "Abandon" will eventually get caught with a counter,....Manny never questioned Floyds use of xylocaine,.. ,...and he agreed to fight in Vegas where the drug is legal,... so that should be a clue of how much Pac was concerned about how Floyds may have treated his hands...(much more concern centered around the blood test),..... infact Roach thinks that Floyds fragile hands is a plus no matter what they are medicated with,..he's never breathed a single word of concern either,....because he knows nothing can kill pain for an entire fight... with most of the Major fights in the United States occur in Las Vegas,..IN a much broader general sense,.... it has never ever come up as even a remote concern,.. and never has there been any accusations from the thousands of championship bouts that have taken place in Las Vegas by any boxer who said..."He Beat Me Because of Xylocaine,.. he Cheated",.. I wouldn't doubt if the ban is lifted given the record of safety in Vegas..
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:34:35 PM
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brownsugar@Jason:
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have I offended you Jason??,.. if I have,.. don't take me to court,.. lets get it on,.. I usually ignore most of the ignorant amateurish and childish comments made around here,.. because I don't like to waste my time,.. Guys like Fe'Roz,.#1.PacFan and a few others make me think and ultimately no matter what the result is,.. it helps my "reasoning" ability,.. but I find far too many guys on this site dish it out but can't take it in return...
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:44:08 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar :
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You can't have it both ways, Sugar. If NSAC rules and standards are good for Xylocaine use, then use the same commission rules and standards for all tests. If they are not, then don't. You can't take what you like from one commission and graft it onto another just for convenience. Unless of course one's goal is to raise the standard across the board. And if that were the case, then Nevada should get in line with everyone else and tighten their rules on Xylocaine....and do the same... in fact, heighten their standard.... for Performance Enhancers. I'm all for it. As for the "never has there been accusations' argument ....... I don't think we want to go there. pc
Friday Jan 22, 2010 06:51:58 PM
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brownsugar@Fe'Roz:
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I guess we'll have to disagree on this this one then,.. thanks for the "excersize,.. I can't believe it was free ....but lets say,.. hypotheticall speaking that xylocaine was removed for some reason,.. there are still other local anesthetics that are also legal and do the same job,.. pc.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:01:46 PM
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Jingo:
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you don't know what you're talking about, mr. author. you can do better than that.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:08:34 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar :
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No charge for family and friends. pc
Friday Jan 22, 2010 07:42:11 PM
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MisterLee:
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***BREAKING NEWS*** In reference to the Mayweather Mosley negotiations, Floyd has said nothing in reference to the Mosley negotiations and might retire. Also, Floyd wears lipstick when he goes to sleep at night and wears a pink slip. Well, the good news is I just saved 15 percent on my car insurance by switching to Geico, so easy a Caveman can do it! Holler! The Don is right! SCAREWEATHER! Holler!!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 09:45:39 AM
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PacYo:
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IsAndre Berto and Mosley just a plot?, Is it scheduled not to happen??? Orchestrated by GBP???
Mayweather says they will require Blood Test for all Mayweather fights, What if they dont with Mosley? Basing on Zab Judahs demands before fighting Mosley which GBP did not allow previously!!!
If Floyd thinks he's really the best as he proclaimed, that he will beat Manny, Knowing Manny dont like drawing blood, (1st Morales fight) Why for the first time in his carreer demand for Blood Test?
Should you submit to a blood test if you feel you are clean and it will only give your opponent advantage if you feel it weakens you??
Is it fair to ask for blood test knowing it will weaken your opponent??
Is blood taken right after the fight and 24 days before the fight not enought for blood testing?
Does NSAC who conducts UFC/MMA fights not credible???
If fighters impose rules that works on his advantage is really a deal braker. And that is what just happen.
And Yes GBP, Schaefer have it all figure out backing out last minute for Dallas Stadium 25Million offer.
They planned not to give up Mayweather without juicing-up. Carefully cherry picking his opponent Marquez lightweight, aging mosley.
Go figure it out. Mayweather, including GBP, will not risk fighting PACMAN. They will again use Pacquiao's name to elevate their Fighters.
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 09:59:11 AM
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@ Pac Yo: you got it right, except "aging Mosley" would beat Floyd or Pacquiao, that's why both of them are avoiding Mosley, but of course pacquiao is a warrior and will fight anyone, but he fights who his camps put in front of him, and I see a Bradley or Mosley unification with Pacquiao later this year. You heard it here first! Holler back ladies!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 10:12:43 AM
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MisterLee:
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@ pac yo, mosley has bad luck. He was supposed to fight clottey in early december, then berto on dec. 26th was the new date, then HBO ran out of budget for 2009, probably b/c of the big money they spent on mayweather marquez, which coincidentally took away the budge for adamek vs. glen johnson cruiserweight title fight, scareweather sucks money, fights, and brains. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 01:56:19 PM
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Caveman MissLee:
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FIght hype says Mosley Mayweather almost secure May 1st. Holler! Wow, was i wrong? Mosley would beat that ARSE! Be ready for somelast minute posturing! Maromero! I'm good on my word, but let's see if there are no last min. posturing, scareweather would/should never fight mosley, it goes agst his "not fighting the best" principle. Trading the Washington Generals for a real NBA Championship Team is a big step up for Scareweather. Holler!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 02:40:45 PM
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TRex2828:
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I agree with the title of this article. They are morons. All of them. How the Manny/Mayweather fight was NOT made just shows complete incompetance. From what I've read, Manny was willing to do a 30 day prior and an immediate post fight test in his dressing room.
Now, unless Roach and crew have created a brand new time released PED that will not only kick in but also shut down on command, it would be impossible for Manny to be on anything that would NOT be detected.
Do the math. Manny would have to take something starting the day AFTER the 30 draw of blood that would give him whatever advantage on the night of the fight but be out of his system prior to the post fight draw. Which could be after 1 round or a full 12.
So if it's out of his system what advantage is there? That's like running all your time trials on Nitro and come raceday use regular unleaded. Think of it this way. A drug user will have traces of the drug much much after the high is gone. The drug may be detectable but he is not benefitting from it. The high is gone. So to train with something and then no longer have it in the sytem to the point that it is NOT detectable, which is what Manny would have to do, make no sense. How does he benefit from its use?
I pose this question to all those out there. Find the drug and it's masking agents that have a 29 day window of effectiveness and Mayweather has a case. In and out of the human body in 29 days! A drug that once out of the body the user would still benefit from.
I am no expert but I would like to think of myself as a logical man. I am not a fan of Manny or Floyd. I am a boxing fan. And this is a great injustice to the boxing world.
Put the politics aside and let the hands do the talking !!!!
Saturday Jan 23, 2010 03:22:21 PM
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crottyruh:
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@TRex2828: I have to say that your post has the clearest analogy from the tons of posts I've read about PED issue from day one. Perhaps by reading this, a lot of people will rethink and start clearing Manny's name at least in their minds. Well...... probably not to very few people (about six of them), whose minds were conditioned to accept greatness at face value.
Sunday Jan 24, 2010 03:39:28 AM
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#1 PacFan "P4P King":
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@don, yo man your JETS fought hard but just came up short. Sanchezs' stock just rocketedt sky high. I think they just need one more wideout for another target for Sanchez. Colts just figured out their blitz scheme. @brownsugar, sorry for the late response I had left work right after that post and was busy with football this weekend. Xylocaine is only being used after a minor injury during a sport event to get back into competition. From what I've heard it is not allowed to be used before an event. My point is that he uses it before the fight and that isn't allowed. There are a few fighters with being susceptible to hand injuries and Malignaggi being one of them. He's never used xylocaine to protect his hands.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 12:10:45 AM
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crottyruh:
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You thought they're morons not to let Manny-Floyd fight happen? Now start thinking of another word. Because Floyd-Mosley is also NOT going to happen.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 02:46:21 AM
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arb:
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Mayweather will not fight Mosley. Why would he raise any other issue like blood testing, gloves, shares when he doesn't like to face Mosley at all even for 10 M? It is smarter for him to wait for Pacquaio and get 5 times the amount he'll get fighting Mosley and easier win or lose. We can all call him DUCKY Floyd or even QUEEN Floyducker or Princess Floyfearfulla or Mother Superior Floyd Sheman and doesn't care a bit of all the name calling because he knows that fighting Pac win or lose is a better option than fighting Mosley win or lose.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 05:44:54 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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Roger Scareweather says that Pacquiao must be on some A-side meth. What's A-side meth? He said filipinos used that drug when they fought U.S. soldiers 500 years ago when the bullets bounced off the filipinos. This was the first time that Roger actually accused Manny. They must'a passed that sh*t to Roger--puff--puff-give.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 11:26:11 AM
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Jason:
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Yup, still no word on Mosley-Mayweather and reports are circulating that Floyd wants nothing to do with Shane, balking at $10mm as if it's chump change. What a shocker. I said this fight would never happened, just like I said he wouldn't fight Pacquiao immediately after Manny beat Cotto. Granted, this was not a case of special foresight in my case; rather, just a case of looking at the facts and Mayweather's history. Mosley needs to move on and find an opponent. As for Floyd, Erik Morales has come out of retirement, so you can bet his phone will be ringing.
Monday Jan 25, 2010 12:06:26 PM
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Radam G - Darn! Uncle Roger STFU, don't be tellin' our jive, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:
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WOW! GOSH! OMG! Hahahahaha! Darn! Like I said, Family Family Mayweather and GBP fright of PacMan's rise is rooted in the Pilippine-American War of 1898-1902 -- let the AmerKanos tell it. But it was 1898 to 1995 when the Kanos pull down their flag and left Subic Bay, Philippines. During the hot year of the war 1898 to 1922, the Pinoy warriors consistently kicked the $hit of out the Kanos. Mindinao region of the Philippines was hot and deadly for the Americans that pulled out and stayed out. Don't believe those American history books about this war or about Filipinos. Those books are full of jabberwocky, poppycock and straight propaganda. Go to the U.S. National Archives to get the truth, even though a lot of that jive is dedacted. Any way, the USA did make the 45-caliber pistol to knock down our warriors, but a lot times we did walk right through that $hit, but we had shields that the Kanos didn't detect. This is why, all these years later, the myth of Pinoy warriors walking through bullet and bombs lives on. I'm sure that the Mayweather and Sinclair ancestors pass this down to their present relatives. We kick the Buffalo Soldiers A$$es so badly that the U.S. Government ordered them to retreat back to Michigan, Texas and Kansas. A lot of those muthas defected. The Mayweathers and Sinclairs are from a long line of Buffalo Soldiers. Good thing that Private Mayweather and Corporal Sinclair didn't defect, or we Pinoys would probably have some pugilists with cowardice in them. See Uncle Roger knows that we are on fictitious A-side Meth because he heard the myth, and has always wonder why did the Pinoy Mestizo Rocky Lockridge knocked him the easy fudge out. Darn! Now everybody and dey mommas are going to be running to the Hollywood Asian eatery where Team Pac and Posse Pac and Hanger-on Pac eat. Now early suckas will be trying to get the recipe for A-side Meth. NOT! That Asian jive exists only in the heads of frighten, excuse-making Mayweathers. Man! I tease people too much. I better quit scaring the $hit out of everybody with my jivin' and connivin.' Somebody please tell Uncle Roger that A-side meth is some mythical bull$hit -- the fog of war. Holla!
Monday Jan 25, 2010 12:36:36 PM
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LC:
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I found this detail Mayweather family history!!!!!
FACT: 1979 – Tony Sinclair (Mayweather Jr’s Uncle) shoots Floyd Mayweather Sr. in the lower left leg with a 20-gauge shotgun late on Jan. 21, 1979, after an ongoing argument.
‘I’d told Tony Sinclair, [brother of Deborah, Mayweather's mother] to move on from living with us. He came through the bedroom door with a shotgun. I said, “You gonna kill me? Well, do what you’ve got to do. But you’re going to kill me and my baby.” With Floyd in my arms I had a better chance. He shot my left leg. Blew off a piece of it. I continued fighting and became the number-one contender.’
Mayweather’s mother was a crack addict. She was unable to care for her son, so Floyd Sr. senior took custody of him when he was nine, and living in New Jersey.
Rumor: 1982 through 1985 – It is rumored that Deobrah Sinclair had prostituted herself to support her crack cocaine habits.
Rumor: Years unknown – It is rumored that Floyd Sr., while living in New Jersey, was part of a prostituion ring actively exploiting underage girls. The youngest being 12.
FACT: 1993 – Mayweather Sr. and several others were convicted in 1993 of smuggling cocaine in detergent boxes from 1987-92. Floyd senior received a five-year sentence for trafficking cocaine from Chicago to Grand Rapids. Served 3 years.
Rumor: 1998 – Mayweather Sr., after being released from prison, and unable to reconcile with his son, made frequet trips to Grand Rapids Michigan, to re-engage with his previous drung ‘ring’ connections in an effort to distribute cocaine in the Las Vegas area.
FACT: 2002 – Mayweather Jr. pleads guilty to two charges of domestic violence against Melissa, the mother of his eldest son.
FACT: 2004 – Roger Mayweather serves six months for the battery of his two children’s grandmother. He knocks out the two bottome teeth of the grandmother.
FACT: 2004 – Mayweather Jr. was convicted on two counts of battery for punching two women at a Las Vegas nightclub the previous year (2003). He received a suspended one-year jail sentence and was ordered to undergo “impulse-control” counseling.
FACT: 2004 – Mayweather Jr. receives community service for kicking a bouncer in a Grand Rapids bar.
FACT: 2005 – Mayweather is acquitted of hitting the mother of his three children, Josie Harris at a Las Vegas nightclub on Dec. 27 2003. A jury acquitted him of the domestic violence charge, a felony, after the mother of his children recanted her story in court.
Rumor: Josie Harris was paid an undiclosed monthly retainer by Floyd Jr. to recant her story.
FACT: 2006 – Roger Mayweather starts a riot when he attacked Zab Judah during a bout with Floyd Jr. He was fined $200,000 and suspended for year. He was also jailed for six months for domestic assault that year in an unrelated incident.
Fact: 2007 – Mayweather Sr. found out that he is the father of another boxer, Justin Jones. The DNA test proved positive. Mayweather Sr. and Justin Jones plan to start training together soon.
Rumor: 2008 – Mayweather Jr. allegedlly frequents private Las Vegas prostitution dens having sex with underage girls.
FACT: 2009 – In August 2009, Roger Mayweather was arrested in Las Vegas for attacking one of his former female boxers. Mayweather allegedly hit her several times in the ribs, then tried to choke her, causing her to spit up blood when police arrived.
Note: A Las Vegas judge had issued an arrest warrant for Roger Mayweather after the boxing trainer failed to show up for a court appearance on battery and coercion charges.
FACT: 2009 – Las Vegas police investigating a shooting outside a skating rink seized two handguns, ammunition and two bulletproof vests from the home of boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and two cars.
FACT: 2009 – The IRS sends the Nevada Athletic Commission a levy notice on Sept. 4 2009 ordering Mayweather’s unpaid taxes be deducted from his $10 million fight purse. Floyd Mayweather Jr. agrees to pay $5.6 million in back taxes before the Internal Revenue Service was poised to take the money from his purse after his comeback fight against Juan Manuel Marquez. The levy was not executed.
FACT: 2009 – Mayweather Jr. comes in two pounds over the contracted-upon 144 pounds for his welterweight bout with Juan Manuel Marquez and pays a penalty fee of $300,000 for each extra pound.
Note: Law suits from JP Morgan Chase, Vegas Jewelers, and numerous homeowners liens were left out of the list.
CONGRATULATIONS MAYWEATHER'S YOUR OFFICIALLY THE #1 CRIME FAMILY OF BOXING!!! WE SHOULD LISTEN TO EVERY WORD YOU SAY AS THE TRUTH (NOT)!!!!
Monday Jan 25, 2010 09:01:29 PM
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Isaiah:
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If they are morons for not letting this fight happen, then consider Floyd Mayweather the biggest moron in all of sports to let Pacquaio and Mosley slip through his slimy talons. Keep on doing the chicken dance Floyd. Your next Pay Per View numbers aren't doing crap Mosley needs to get another opponent pronto. I hear Zab Judah might be available again if he can avoid getting knocked out by his shower door.
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 12:14:39 AM
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@ LC:
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hey LC whats wrong did mayweather kick your butt in high school or something
Tuesday Jan 26, 2010 09:58:33 PM
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aaron:
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Floyd should prove himself worthy of Pacquiao by fighting Rustico Torrecampo, or Medgoen Singsurat.
Wednesday Jan 27, 2010 12:55:19 PM
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RED:
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I've said it once and I'll say it again: If Floyd had personally seen Carlos Baldomir injecting himself with every PED known to man, he'd still have taken the fight. Fighting Shane presents a much less risky enterprise than fighting Manny. Everyone with an IQ above room temperature knows this. Floyd also knows that fighting Manny later on this year (after he goes through at least 1 obstacle in Joshua Clottey) is a more attractive scenario than fighting Manny in March. Mind you, if they fight in, say, November, they'll still make a boat load of money and , who knows, Manny's stamina, speed, strength (or all of the above) could be somewhat diminished depending on the punishment that he absorbs before facing Floyd. Shane admitted using PEDs. He will obviously not be using them for a fight against Floyd. He’ll be up in age. He was defeated by a much less proficient boxer in Miguel Cotto. Above all, though, the fight will render a solid purse for both fighters. Not a bad picture for a man who has made a fortune choreographing his successful career.
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 08:15:14 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pacquiao-Clottey @147!":
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@RED, good stuff man. You ought to post more often. I put you on the same level as the great posters on here.
Thursday Jan 28, 2010 01:08:53 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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