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Roach Thinks Mayweather Is Scared, Still Hopeful Manny-Money Happens
By Michael Woods
Trainer Freddie Roach chatted with ESPN's Brian Kenny today and said he's still hopeful that Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather will get it on, but he thinks Mayweather is scared he'll lose, and that's why he's been making demands on drug testing so he can make excuses to avoid Manny.
"I think he's scared," said Freddie.
A fight pitting Manny and Joshua Clottey is close to fruition, but there is still a chance, Freddie said, for Pacman and Mayweather to take place in the late winter. Or, perhaps, the fall if cooler heads prevail, the trainer said. "Hopefully Mayweather will come to the table," Freddie said.
Roach said he understands some will say that Pacquiao is ducking drug tests by refusing to get blood taken for examination no less than three weeks before a bout. "He just doesn't feel right" when he gets blood taken, Freddie said.
The trainer also expressed disbelief that a boxer is dictating the terms of testing, instead of an athletic commission.
He thinks that Mayweather avoids the toughest tests, and wants no part of the Shane Mosley-Andre Berto (Jan. 30) winner.
"Who's he gonna fight, Paulie Malignaggi?" Roach snorted.
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kountedout:
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that means all the commissions should change the rules for all the local club shows. During the week you take fighters to get blood work on mon and tues to fight on friday. now a lot of fighters are going to say they dont feel right having blood taken from them in such short period of time. freddie says manny feels funny for 3 days. I dont believe him.Wake up United States, we are giving the right of way for people to cheat now. We are now saying IT'S OKAY!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 07:32:20 PM
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Porkupine:
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A fighter should not dicate the terms of testing; but the Mayweathers have generations of experience in the ring and I'm certain Floyd Sr. believes that Pac's performance isn't just due to God.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 07:45:30 PM
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kountedout@Salt lover:
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I dont know but when a fighter rejects a fighter bc he is to tall doesnt that mean he is cherry picking? if he was lower in weight does that mean he wouldn't fight celestino caballero?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 07:54:06 PM
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SALT lover:
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Roach criticized Floyd.......WOW!!! What a shocker!! XD!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, I really don't know what's goin' on. Both fighters want the fight, and if anybody was duckin' the other, the money issue was enough to price himself out. So, there's nobody duckin' the other. And like Porkupine said, Mayweathers know more about boxin' than all of us here in TSS together, so in my opinion, the drug tests is probably a way for Floyd to express to the people that he must know that we don't. Which makes me think that lawsuit doesn't have any sense. We'll see, but I do know that both fighters want the fight, and the efforts in the negotiations proves it by itself.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:01:15 PM
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SALT lover@Kountedout:
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Yeah, you do have a good point. He doesn't wanna fight Foreman, cuz he's to tall LOL!!!! Yeah, 1/2 inch taller than De la Hoya, and he can't fight him. The thing is that Foreman's style, like I've been sayin' for a long time, is a technical superior to Pacquiao's, and it will give him fits in the ring, and who knows if a loss to Pacquiao. But now they want Clottey, who's style is taylor-made for Pacquiao, no question. This is not the first time they choose fighters that are convenient for Pacquiao. David Diaz is one example. As was De la Hoya and not Mosley at 147lbs. As was Hatton and not Bradley in 140lbs. But of course, it's Pacquiao whoever he fights, it's OK. If it was Floyd sayin' no to Foreman, then it was Floyd "duckin'". This story is becomin' known and borin'. That's how predictable are PacFANATICS. Peace dude!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:05:01 PM
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renecon:
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The best thing to happen is for PAC to fight a different opponent and the same with PBF fighting another. However, one of the fight must be held at the MGM and the other at Thomas and Mack. It must be on the same day and same time and both on PPV. Then let us see who is the CASH COW
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:06:43 PM
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janlar:
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Its been proven that Floyd is the only one that uses illegal drugs to numb his hands before a fight. The only state that Legalizes the drugs Floyd uses for his hands is in Nevada Las Vegas, hence why the Floyd camp didn't want it held in Texas stadium. 49 states have banned Xylocaine in boxing which he injects into his hands to numb any pain before the fight.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:08:47 PM
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leroy a:
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paquiao is set to fight the tougher opponent , joshua clottey and who is mayweather fighting? its P. malignali who does not belong in mayweather caliber. its obvious this is another cherry picking opponent, nobody is going to watch that mayweather and malignali fight , people will not watch another fraud show of floyd. boxing fans are tired of mayweather cowardly act. no one will spend PPV on mayweather and malignali fight i guarantee that. because mayweather is a joke and disgrace to the boxing history.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:09:04 PM
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Jersey Joe:
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I'm not sure if anyone has caught this breaking news yet but it was determined that Mayweather is the one who's been using a banned substance.
Check out the latest news from Yahoo Sports and Examiner.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:12:09 PM
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SALT lover@Kountedout:
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By the way!! Speakin'g of cherry pickin'!! XD!!!!!! It appears Roach doesn't wanna have another of his boy, Amir Khan, fight 'Chino' Maidana in 140lbs. It looks like he'll convince Khan to vacate his Title rather than have his boy to face the Argentinian fighter. But of course, he's "saint" Pacquiao's trainer, there could be no wrong in him XD!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:14:32 PM
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FloyAzzFoker:
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One side is yap..yap.. and another side is yap...yap...
For my side Floyd is just a motha fuking pussie
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:26:38 PM
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new guy:
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How about Pacquiao against Barrera, Morales, and Marquez? Is that Chery picking for you? Hatton is the Best Junor Welterweight as well as Cotto in the welterwejght, does that sound Cherry Picking? Im sorry guys but i hate to say this. You are all blinded by the light spread by Mayweather Sr. How come you believe a guy with a history of drug trafficking than a man who fears God and always acknowlegde his success to Him. Wake up all of you.. You're just cheating yourselves.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:31:16 PM
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Batman:
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Its been proven that Floyd is the only one that uses illegal drugs to numb his hands before a fight. The only state that Legalizes the drugs Floyd uses for his hands is in Nevada Las Vegas, hence why the Floyd camp didn't want it held in Texas stadium. 49 states have banned Xylocaine in boxing which he injects into his hands to numb any pain before the fight.
Floyd is using a drug to enhance his performance of his fist. He doesnt feel the pain of his punches so he can throw it harder. He is the real user of enhancement drugs not Pac. If pac is to take Olympic test then floyd should be banned from using a drug that will prevent him from using his own natural ability of feeling the punches.
Muhammid Ali had to beat Frazier with a broken hand and feel the pain why is floyd allowed not to feel the pain and CHEAT AGAIN!!
A WEIGHT CHEATER AND NOW A PAIN CHEATER!!!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:31:39 PM
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kountedout@Salt lover:
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man you are right on the mark! hahahahaha yeah what's up with that. he will give up his title not to fight Maidana! They are not fanatics anymore they are cult lovers. But i will say this if this guy saint keeps it up when im not talking to him it's gonna be trouble and i do mean this. the editors will wait and let that piece of trash constantly talk but as soon as someone starts to get into it. then they say it to all involved rather then go and check that person that started the junk. Im not going to have it from some trailor trash guys.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:32:43 PM
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new era:
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Nevada State Athletic Commission did not react or did nothing to Team Mayweather indirect accusation that they are incompetent or a corrupt agency. Why?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:33:03 PM
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The Blacksmith:
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If people want to let SPOILED whimsical boxers to DICTATE the conditions of a BOXING match, then, abolish the government commissions! Let them have their way and boxing dies a stupid death.
Oh! By the way, who's the 2009 TRAINER OF THE YEAR?
Who's the 2009 FIGHTER OF THE YEAR?
Yeah, boy!
HEHEHEHHHH!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:34:33 PM
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yohan de doulos:
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answer to SALT: so whats wrong with fighting a style fit with his(pacquiao's), is there any rule against that? styles are just styles what matters in boxing is hitting and being hit it doest matter what style you have...in tagalog there is a word fit for guys like you..'BOBO'
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:39:36 PM
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Roy:
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Look who's talking! In fact it is Roach who is scared! Is he not the one who is scared of Maidana fighting Amir Khan? Roach is not a credible person to talk in behalf of Pacquiao. He should shut up!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:40:29 PM
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nes2:
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Floyd is a ducker and he's afraid of Pacman, a certified duck eater (Balut) (Duck egg with embryo in it.) What the hell is he asking from Pacman? He is the only one asking this kind of testing which is not a norm in professional boxing. I, for one, everytime blood is drawn from me for my annual check-up, my arm would be sore for days. That's why I understand the Pacman. Blood testing right after the fight is not enough for Floyd? He does not want the fight period.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:41:35 PM
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tamutsi:
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i still hope money-manny fight will happen. any opponent match for manny under top rank is suspiciously business fight, not a blood fight. top rank saved the belt of foreman in the scene because by doing so, foreman maintains his market the the industry. pacman we can't wait for more days... fight the dirty maywheater in his terms and be a real hero for us this time.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:43:37 PM
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NORIEL E. SANTOS:
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Floyd's fans, check out the article about Floyd is injecting pain killers befor he actually fight. This pain killer is illegal in all 48 states, but not in Nevada; however, it is banned on Olympic competition. Wow! Floyd's fans, you guys are runnin gout of excuses, and your boy will get defeat in the court of law.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:49:20 PM
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BOIEMACHO:
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Floyd is just trying to get an alibi not to fight Pacman. He is a coward. If Pacman will accept the 14 days drug test window, Floyd will come up of something else to avoid the fight such as “Oh Pacman should not be allowed to make a sign of the cross inside the ring. It will disrupt my fighting ability or otherwise, he’ll be disqualified.” I know it is stupid but for sure he will come up of something.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:49:42 PM
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Mr Blood aka Padugo:
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Since we all want a REAL FIGHT, how about this:
Blood testing DURING the fight. UNLIMITED blood sampling.
Only blood spilled during the fight will be used.
More blood spilled, better samples.
No needles, only Cleto Reyes gloves to draw the blood out.
15 brutal rounds should be enough.
Mandatory bloodletting by natural fistic means.
Problem: Will Floyd accept?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:56:02 PM
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idol:
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to all crews, "PREPARE FOR DUCKING MANEUVER..."
Friday Jan 8, 2010 08:59:03 PM
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whatup:
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We will see who Mayweather fights. If anybody thinks Clottey is cherry picking they know very little about boxing. Who will Mayweather fight? Talk is Paulie the mascara man. And that's not cherry picking?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:08:56 PM
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noypinga:
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floydie i think should fight ivan, they are both runners!, the winner would then be pitted against usain in 2012 london! LOL!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:10:56 PM
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SALT lover:
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Well, nobody said Clottey's cherrypickin'. It's Roach and Pacquiao doin' their picks, but yeah, I have said before. If Floyd fights Matthew Hatton, or Paul Malignaggi (Even though this was a possible fight for Pacquiao, and nobody said Pacquiao was cherrypickin') yes I agree that's a lame move for Floyd to do, and I'll criticize it.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:13:16 PM
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MisterLee:
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Clottey is a much tougher test than Cotto. Clottey's got iron chin, great basics, triple hooks, never been hurt in his career, underrated speed, great defense (2nd best in welterweight division IMO), and he's got height, size, and reach advantage. I luv pac,k but Clottey wins by 10th rd tko. Clottey fan fo' life! Holler! IN this new Floyd era pple are guilty not by doing something, but what they don't do... Manny is"guilty" of PED's b/c he won't take a drug test, Floyd is "guilty" of being homosexual b/c I never seen him kiss a woman, Floyd fans guilty of not having their GED's b/c they never shown me their diploma... Floyd "Guilty" of not being ATG b/c he never fought the best... wait, one of them makes sense, oh no! I broke the unofficial rule of a floyd/pac fight! "Runny" May rules! Holler! "Runny" makes the world go round, wait! I mean money, but what does that have to do with floyd? Holler!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:18:18 PM
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Puncher:
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ALIBIS !! ALIBIS!!, Mayweather is such a loser! From now on we will never watch a Mayweather fight, and never buy a thing that he endorse.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:26:31 PM
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tomtausjr.:
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maybe pacquiao can fight klitschko or roy jones jr., or the retired tyson for god's sake! pacquiao is not cherry pickin' he just want someone his own size now! floyd avoids the best welterweights! and he is a welterweight! so he is the one cherry pickin' right? pacquiao fought the best lightweights and welterweights! he can even go with margarito or mosley! pretty damn logical right?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:27:08 PM
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TotoyBato:
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Floyd jr can fight Paul Williams. With Paul's sorry performance against martinez, Floyd jr can definitely whup that Long Tall Paul. Since Pacman is looking to fight the strongest welterweight Joshua Clottey (who should have won against Cotto) then Floyd jr should up the ante and fight the most avoided welterweight of all. Paul has been exposed by Martinez and the fight will be a piece of cake for Floyd's level of skill. Good fights await the fans. We may have to wait a bit longer for the Mega-Fight that we all want but we will get two Super-Fights.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:27:58 PM
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BREAKING NEWS!!!:
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Floyd Mayweather the one using banned substances?
CHECK OUT THIS LINK:
www dot examiner dot com/examiner/x-20066-Pittsburgh-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2010m1d8-Floyd-Mayweather-the-one-using-banned-substances
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:28:06 PM
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pETE STEWARD:
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Mayweather outsmarted himself out of a KING RANSOM! He can think about that when he fights a stiff for a 1/4 of what he could've made Vs Manny. Manny Vs Mosley is the super fight I want to see 2 REAL FEARLESS WARRIORS Willing to wage war to find out who the MAN really is.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:30:47 PM
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TREVSKIEVV:
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AND IT MEANS ONE THING... THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD NEEDS THE TEST.. COZ FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR. SAY SO...
HAHAHA I CANT BELIEVE MILLIONS WERE SO GULLIBLE..
LOSEEEEEERSSSS!!!!
THIS IS WHY BOXING IS SOO DEAD
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:37:52 PM
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tender care:
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Blood veins are like air tanks that is full of pressure. When you drill a small hole on it, it weakens its supply of air. I suggest Matthew Hatton Make Floyd poke his veins 14 days before the fight. We'll see if he'll agree if it is done to him. I believe it can weaken the pop of of the punches of any fighter.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:44:05 PM
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gilbert manuel:
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damn you pokupine. . . manny is the best that we,ve ever seen so far, he can be the greatest of all times. . he doesn,r duck anyone, floyd is just choosing his oponents whom he can beat, he is scared after all. manny has nothing to loose unlike floyd, while manny is still active no way for floyd to be number one again. go home pokupine whatsoever!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:46:54 PM
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MisterLee:
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Floyd can beat Mathew Hatton WHILE donating blood fo' sure! Hatton will be a good distractor from the needle fo' sure!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:49:38 PM
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teaser:
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what a move by team pacman !! great return !! move to fight Clottey (nobody wants to fight him after he fought Cotto ) and then roach says we will go for the winner of mosley /berto ......now that is stealing the thunder from floyd!! ...ya fight the fighters he avoids!! man up floyd and fight some top welter weights ....walk the walk (mannys been doing it for years) or shut up ....cause it isn't like you don;t have the talent....take a chance ... we just want to see good fights
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:53:46 PM
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dranreb2010:
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i dont think, they need blood work for sports.cause urine or hair test is good enough to find out if you taking drugs or steroid.i think mr.floyd mayweather if you dont trust nevada state athletic commission. you better not fighting in nevada.i think urine test is 100% here in america to find out if you using drugs.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 09:54:25 PM
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Dblanc:
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PACMAN rules!!!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:02:11 PM
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do69:
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What a puss...holla back!!!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:02:17 PM
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PYT:
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Xylocaine = Banned Drug = Juiced Up Fist = Cheating = Mayweather
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:03:34 PM
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mortcola@MisterLee:
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Great call on Clottey. Just when some people were thinking that Pac was scared of Long Tall Yuri, we find out that he's fighting a naturally big, well-rounded, iron-chinned, combination-punching fighter instead, a much tougher test. Also a cool style match-up.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:06:37 PM
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bajno lee:
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yeah, your right buddy roach.. egomaniac mayweather should put up his own athletic commission.. where can you find a boxer who wants to have his own rule. isn't that funny. Only clowns does that... bwa ha ha ha.. the mayweather clan.
Go find somebody else mayweather... mayber paul malign... ha ha ha another clown like you.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:15:50 PM
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SALT lover:
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What Pacquiao and his bosses are scared of are technically solid fighters. Being "naturally big, iron-chinned, combination-punching fighter" is not gonna help Clottey at all. He's an aggresive frontal fighter that fights forward, and Pacquiao loves that. Joshua Clottey doesn't have the technique, nor skills enough to defeat Pacquiao. He couldn't defeat a one-eyed Miguel Cotto, what makes people think he can beat Pacquiao? And when I say defeat, I mean beat him convingcingly. Clottey does have his speed and his triple left hooks add up a little to his arsenal, but his style us taylor-made for the Filipino fighter; FRONTAL. Truth is, Pacquiao can be defeated, but by technically solid fighters, and slick boxers that can counter-punch. Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0) would outbox and outsmart Pacquiao. Shane Mosley would beat Pacquiao. Tim Bradley would've given Pacquiao whole lots of fits, as do Yuri Foreman, which is the reason why Pacquiao brought the 1/2-taller-I-can't-touch-him excuse. I thought Pacquiao was gonna go for Foreman, but instead he'll to another, OK yes, tough and strong, but frontal, aggresive fighter who had a competitive fight against a fighter Pacquiao just trashed. And if that isn't enough, Clottey's the type of guy that is a good fighter, but always losses his big opportunity fights. The fight would be competitive in the beginning, but then the styles of each boxer will favor Pacquiao more and more, until Clottey finally decides to either engage to get himself KO'ed for the first time (there's no such thing as an "Iron chin"; nobody is invulnerable of gettin' KO'ed), or decide to use his good defense for the sake of not gettin' stopped. Clottey's a good fighter, but in terms of STYLES, Pacquiao defeats him. This fight, if materialized, will not be any different from what we've seen in the last two years and a half. Checkezzzzzzzzz!!!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:19:43 PM
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jerome:
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I think pacman will beat yuri, and it will happen if the price is right. forget about mayweather he is a boring fighter. it is more entertaining to watch against clottey or mosley,or berto. like pacman said after cotto fight: this welterweight will be my last weight i will stay here.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:21:56 PM
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allan@renecon:
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The best thing to happen is for PAC to fight a different opponent and the same with PBF fighting another. However, one of the fight must be held at the MGM and the other at Thomas and Mack. It must be on the same day and same time and both on PPV. Then let us see who is the CASH COW
--agree 100% but i believe floyd will duck that date either. hehe
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:22:16 PM
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Falconfighter:
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Pacquiao mayweather should be save and if that is not possible would rather see winner of berto mosley fight pacquiao.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:30:54 PM
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apollo11:
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Fight fans, please do not take it against manny when he is not keen on fighting yuri, he is a good guy. boxing is business. we imagine if manny take yuri at 154 and time comes when f8 btw floyd and manny will be on the table again what will be the conditions and demands again!
Manny usually hid to instructions given to him by his mentor freddie. if he says he can take yuri then he will. if he says clottey then okay. if he says floyd then so be it. manny is an Asian, the culture he is accustomed is his belief since childhood and up to now. what they have is complete different the cultures. so just follow what is the requirement given by the governing body that has jurisdiction over the f8. if they needed amendments then request from the proper authorities.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:30:58 PM
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bryan:
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Paulie Malignaggi and floyd woul be the most boring fight if ever happen!!!! mayweather will get bankrupt coz his fight will not sell wahahaha coward!!!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:31:12 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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Joshua Clottey. The Grandmaster. Ha. The man has three losses. Fighting a welterweight with three losses is considered bottom-fishing in the world according to Floyd. I mean Clottey lost to three other guys, all of whom had lost previously themselves. How could Manny insult the public and fight a guy who lost to Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto. Seriously. Three losses. And that's what Manny thinks people want to see !?! N'aw. No Way. They want Undefeated ... as in no man has ever broken my code Undefeated. And Floyd Mayweather is the only man who can say that. And, as we all know, 'all roads' run through Floyd. Except this one.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:32:11 PM
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SALT lover@FE'ROZ :
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Ummmm.........dude, I don't know if you're serious, but Clottey never fought Paul Williams. Well, he DID ducked Paul Williams, but he never fight Williams.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:35:08 PM
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allan@salt:
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would you let ur floyd fight foreman? if floyd ducks foreman would you criticize him? it just shows ur not a boxing fan first but a floyd fan. but then again you wont have to criticize floyd since he wont dare fight foreman. hell he cant even dare fight clottey or cotto. and man ur logic is all screwed up. i wonder what you eat everyday making u say those dumb insinuations everyday. im not a pacquiao fan but ur kinda irritating. im disappointed that the fight didnt materialize but im still positive there would be other great fight this yr. so i suggest let pacquiao alone and encourage ur boy floyd to fight a decent fighter and stop selling ur logic and ideas here cause its all screwed up man and everyones laughing at u and it gets to a point thats irritating.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:37:40 PM
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kountedout@Salt lover:
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did you see how quick they got teddy atlas off the subject! hahaha teddy atlas said his source saw a letter from the pacquiao camp asking questions what if they tested positive and could they keep it a secret. I guess teddy atlas is now a hater of pacquiao and he's lame and stupid. hahaha like i said the truth will eventually come out. hahahaha
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:39:22 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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Funny how the goal posts keep moving. Just yesterday some folk were saying Manny wouldn't and/or was afraid to fight black boxers. I might need reading glasses but last time I looked Joshua Clottey looked pretty ...... Black. In fact, since Manny sat ringside and watched two of the best in the welterweight division face off last June at MSG ... and now has faced and/or challenged both fighters.....he must surely have known what color they were. Or maybe not. Maybe he just likes to fight. Regardless of color. pc
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:39:37 PM
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kountedout:
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salt lover ur right clottey lost to carlos baldomir, margarito, cotto.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:43:10 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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I stand corrected Salt. Thank you. He lost to Baldomir. By DQ. And to Margarito. And to Cotto. Not a bad resume when you add in the others that had and have no interest in fighting a big strong full welterweight.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:45:01 PM
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SALT lover@Kountedout:
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Wha??!! Seriously, dawg? Where you heard that from?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:47:11 PM
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SALT lover:
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I don't think it's the color Pacquiao and his bosses are afraid, it's the style. Usually technical and slick fighters are African American boxers. They are the usual ones that use that slick style of fightin', while Latinos are usually aggresive and stuff. Maybe that's what confused some sayin' he wouldn't fight a black fighter. It's the slick style, not the color, that the Pacquiao Team is runnin' from.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:49:37 PM
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d duck:
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pac man is ducking floyd , ricki hatton is the only one that fights more white than clottey
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:52:22 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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Or the other way around. One has a history of fighting tough if not great fighters. The other not. Who do you think bears the burden of proof, my brother?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:52:49 PM
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teaser:
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Clottey is a good strong welterweight...manny or any other welterweight will have to be on their A game to beat him
Friday Jan 8, 2010 10:54:12 PM
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DOMINGO:
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for salt lover. of course pacman can fight foreman at 147 like the " dream match" was, but any legitimate opponent is too big for pacman at 154. he is even consider little at 147.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:02:47 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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The fight is now reported to be in Dalla, Texas. In the brand new Cowboy Stadium.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:03:15 PM
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d duck:
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wants to fight floyd then backs out when effective drug testing comes into question .roach knows a clean pac cant beat floyd at the moment
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:06:24 PM
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Jason:
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"...teddy atlas said his source saw a letter from the pacquiao camp asking questions what if they tested positive and could they keep it a secret." Insideinformation mentioned the same thing under one of these articles, and his source was Tim Smith of the NY Daily News. IF that's true,it's a bombshell that will raise some eyebrows (understatement). Atlas is generally very reliable, as is Tim Smith.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:06:28 PM
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tender care:
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What is Xylocaine? Is it true that this substance numbs the hands of any pain? And 49 states bans it but its allowed in Nevada.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:07:44 PM
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teaser :
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throw this comment in the trash also ...looks like only the chosen get to say anything here
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:08:31 PM
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Smiley C:
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Every camp passes out propaganda and misinformation. Teddy Atlas is known to report what his sources tell him. Those sources are wrong about half the time. Boxing is seedy and full of gossip, lying, back stabbing, guessing and making up $hit. This is going to turn out to be absolutely nothing fo' sure.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:20:28 PM
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Rey:
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Mayweather still thinks he is the big draw but i'd rather believe Roach that Pacquiao is the bigger draw. Mayweather thinks that by doing a smear campaign against Pacquiao it would destroy him but it backfired on him. When that lawsuit got filed in court, not only casual boxing fans have gotten interested in this fight but also other sports fans ... in saying this, Pacquiao gets more popular and gotten more support instead. Those true legitimate sports news agencies with unbias reporting will always state that Pacquiao has never failed a single drug test in Nevada (or in the U.S., or in ASIA) - so why should Pacquiao take it? but still, he compromised by give 3 blood tests - so those m0r0ns who are just leaving comments without having any backgrounds of this superfight should just shut up - and people have just found out that it was Mayweather who is using illegal drugs for his brittle hands (in 49 states - that's why he doesn't want to fight in Texas) ... Mayweather just really thought that he was special and demanded that ridiculous drug test, which is not really required in the first place - and then he got irate because Pacquiao didn't agree to that blood test? ... Pacquiao is not in his payroll to kiss his a$$ ... but now he knows that Pacquiao doesn't need him and that lawsuit is just the right way to go. Pacquiao should be the one to dictate what he wants on the contract and the one who should be demanding things from the other party.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:24:00 PM
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SALT lover:
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There goes again a Paclover defendin' somethin' that most probably don't know about. All for the sake of defendin' Pacquiao. I'm not gonna buy all that Atlas info stuff, but if it is True, then somethin' MUST definitely be goin' on. Kounted or insideinformation, if such thing is True, where you guys got it from?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:30:14 PM
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jun torres:
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nobody will ever beat floyd cos he fights nobodies.he wont fight cotto,williams,and he will never fight mosley.did you hear him call out mosley?nooo.when asked if he wanna fight mosley,he never answered.everybody heard it brain kenny's and interview with the rugged man.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:37:59 PM
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Misterlee:
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For the record, Clottey has better technique than Cotto, maybe not power, but technique, and defense, and chin, and he never cotton foot dances. Salt, ya crazy? Clottey is not a brawler! He's a winky wright style fighter with a little more power and that peek a boo stance. He's decent at countering, can hurt with both hands, and has good ring iq. Baldomir by DQ by excessive headbutt can hardly be considered a loss when most pple had him winning the fight, marg is understandable and stands as the one of 2 fighters that survived marg's 12 opponent barrage, Clottey called out Williams immediately after the Cotto fight but what does williams gain from coming down in weight to fight Clottey when mosley nor pacquiao nor floyd would fight him? , then I dunno if it MATTERS, but Harold Lederman had Cotto Clottey, as 114-113 clottey, so the cotto loss is disputable, as cotto cotton foot danced and ran his way to 12 round decision. Clottey was whooping his butt. So there you have it, Clottey has a pretty clean record, never been hurt, has wins over judah and in my book, cotto (too bad the fight was a "split" decision in eve of Puerto Rican Day Charade in Madison Square Garden) . Floyd would NEVER fight Clottey in a million years (nor Marg, his hands are too brittle to take them to the body, their chin and Clot's defense is too tight for Floyd to do damage). Wow, I'm rooting for Clottey, but if Pacquiao somehow gets thru Clottey, and fights Mosley, that's a bigger slap to Floyd's face than beating him. Pacquiao tiene cojones grande! Para verdad! Adios!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:39:55 PM
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Now that the cat is out of the bag, that is, Floyd is injecting his brittle hands with xylocaine, which is banned in all states, except Neveda, some sort of action should be taken with the NSAC so it will also include that drug in the list of prohibited substances. Now, Floyd injecting a drug into his hands to numb the pain and give him an advantage in a fight is not exactly the "level playing field" this hypocrite is so concerned about, is it?
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:41:46 PM
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MisterLee:
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SmileyC moves to my top 5 fo' sure!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:42:00 PM
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MisterLee:
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I heard from a source that Pacquiao once searched online for porn, my source is reliable. Jinky is a great bed mate fo' sure!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:43:28 PM
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Sargent Joe Friday:
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If I wanted to chat and listen to rumors I would watch "Gossip Girls'. Let's stick with Just the Facts, Ladies
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:45:17 PM
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MisterLEe gettin' Jinky with it...:
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I heard pacquiao likes to wear mismatching socks on big fights fo' sure! I hear the voices in ma' head fo' sure! 100% reliable! Also, I heard Teddy Atlas once said a swear word, but sources can't confirm, tho many experts do believe it is true fo' sure!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:45:18 PM
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SALT lover@Mr.Lee:
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It's a waste of time discussin' boxin' with someone who says Diego Corrales was not a great fighter....您不无知者关于拳击 ...I wish you understand that, and get it deep inside your head.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:45:24 PM
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MisterLee:
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Blake Lively is a hotty for certain!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:45:50 PM
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MisteRLee:
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Ni feng le, ben ren!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:46:33 PM
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NANING:
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I believe Pacquiao should not give blood two or three days before the fight if it weakens him. The Mayweather fight will be the biggest of his life and he should be at his physical best when he enters the ring. But 14 days before the fight should be long enough to recover! Pacquiao should remove any doubt in the minds of boxing fans. He does not want to be remembered as the greatest fighter in history, but with an asterisk.
I do not believe Pacquiao takes any illegal substance. But if he does, he better retire right now. If he gets caught, it will be an unbearable embarrassment for every Filipino on this planet.
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:48:19 PM
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MisterLee:
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Waste of time discussing boxing with a fan who feels beating Corrales in 2001 in his 25th fight makes him an ATG. It's a waste discussing with a man who felt Margarito was "skillful in all areas" and licked the toes Margarito and Floyd possesses. He sure likes them too! I'd rather have Blake LIvely as a credible source for certain!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:49:36 PM
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MisterLee:
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MisterLee writes like Sergio Martinez fights fo' sure! With a little more "Pacquiao" in his left cross fo' sure!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:51:41 PM
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jetmaxpro@yahoo.com:
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Its been proven that Floyd is the only one that uses illegal drugs to numb his hands before a fight. The only state that Legalizes the drugs Floyd uses for his hands is in Nevada Las Vegas, hence why the Floyd camp didn't want it held in Texas stadium. 49 states have banned Xylocaine in boxing which he injects into his hands to numb any pain before the fight. Floyd is using a drug to enhance his performance of his fist. He doesnt feel the pain of his punches so he can throw it harder. He is the real user of enhancement drugs not Pac. If pac is to take Olympic test then floyd should be banned from using a drug that will prevent him from using his own natural ability of feeling the punches. Muhammid Ali had to beat Frazier with a broken hand and feel the pain why is floyd allowed not to feel the pain and CHEAT AGAIN!! A WEIGHT CHEATER AND NOW A PAIN CHEATER!!!______OK +1
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:51:42 PM
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MisterLee:
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All the crazies must be infesting the Borges article for certain!
Friday Jan 8, 2010 11:56:27 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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BTW, exactly which slick black boxers has Floyd beaten lately? Juan Manual Marquez, Ricky Hatton. ODLH. Baldomir. Mitchell. Gatti. Bruseles. That's the last five full years. And please.... do not say Zab " Watch Me Dance Like a Chicken" Judah.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:03:46 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Mister Lee:
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You mean all five?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:04:53 AM
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MisteRLee:
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.Yo! I would say 3.5, I really respect Salt Lover in other aspects, he's just "delirous", but not crazy :). There are a few certified crazies, but arturo, ali, salt lover, real talk (wait! no! he swithced to the dark side!:) Manny fan! :) :) :), ultimoshogun, b-sug, and even Borges are not crazies, maybe leaning in Floyds' direction with some objective light. The rest __________ ... you fill in the blank! You download facing Ali yet on boxingscene? Freshly posted. God is great! Tss rules!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:08:27 AM
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jazun:
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what is xylocaine? why does it equate to floyd jr?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:08:55 AM
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Jason:
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Direct quote from the NY Daily News' Tim Smith and his 12/25/09 article: "According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye." Maybe it's complete bull$hit, and I'd hope that it is. Maybe Tim Smith and Teddy Atlas are misinformed or worse, lying. But they've both stated it. For the record, I STILL fault Mayweather for the collapse of this thing. If he's as good as he proclaims, then he'd have taken the $40mm, and said "Look, I asked him to submit to random testing and he refused. But I'm the best fighter who ever lived, better than Ali and Ray Robinson, and therefore even Manny Pacquiao on steroids will be an easy night for me." Or something like that. But in my opinion, Pacquiao's never tested positive and therefore he gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:09:00 AM
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SALT lover@FE'ROZ:
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Dude, you're a pretty good reader, and all, but damn you just slip from your composure when Floyd is brought up ini the subject, you hate that dude hate so much it's obvious, that whoever I write to you, you'll most likely discard it as nothin'. At 140lbs I agree Floyd hasn't faced the top oposition, 147lbs could be competitive, and 154lbs De la Hoya. But answerin' your question Mitchell was pretty slick bakc in his days, And Judah was a pretty good solid fighter back in 2006 too. He just lacks the focus sometimes, and drops to his opponents level..............................by the way let me ask you somethin' FE'ROZ, and dude, please be honest, let the hate aside: in 2000, what do you think of Floyd's Victory over Diego Corrales? What you think about that fight? Do you consider Diego Corrales a great fighter back in his days? Honestly...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:11:32 AM
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MisterLee:
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I heard Jinky once spent a romantic night with MisterLee, but Pacquiao gave him a black eye. It's tru! I read it on Wikipedia fo' sure!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:11:41 AM
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SALT lover:
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* I meant: 147lbs could be DEBATEFUL....
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:12:33 AM
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Uncle Rico:
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Why, in 1984 I could throw that football over the moutains. By 2001 I'd be soaking the sun ray's with my SOULLMATE fo' sure!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:13:13 AM
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Ref:
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Low blow, one warning!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:14:50 AM
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FE'ROZ :
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Appreciate the tip. I'm going to do it straight away. in the meantime, I wish EM would start posting articles on Shane/Berto, Juanma/Leuvano and Gamboa/Mtagwe. This is getting old.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:15:24 AM
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MisterLee:
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I'd like to read more Super Six action, some predictions, some shane berto would be nice, some celebrations of Shane Mosley's colorful career, maybe some stuff on Donaire, adamek. At least the last few articles have been Pacquiao, articles supporting Floyd are as grimey as his resume. Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:18:40 AM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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Dude, I've found some stuffs about that, but I think that probably was from Pacquiao's lawyers and stuff to help get prepared for the lawsuit and stuff. And if it ain't that, then I really don't know. I agree with you NY Daily News and Teddy Atlas both a damn good reliable sources, but I wouldn't be countin' on it to be sayin anythin' in particular at this moment, significant. And even if it is True, it will come out eventually. The Truth always comes out, but I just want it to come out NOW, not years or decades later. And with the exception of the garbage ..............."But I'm the best fighter who ever lived, better than Ali and Ray Robinson".............(Yeah, cuz that's pure garbage by Floyd), I agree with Floyd. The whole thing collapsed by Pacquiao's refusal. People and most of all fans are accusin' the drug tests, but they didn't said nothin' when it was brought at first. It was until Pacquiao started barkin' about it and got cold feet, that people started complainin' about the tests. And the Filipino fever and the Floyd-phobia will blind people, so no matter whatFloyd will be the "guilty" one. But I really didn't know about the whole Atlas stuff.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:19:39 AM
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MisterLee:
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Maybe a map out of the jr. and welter weight division... and even jr. middle... we got belt holders: devon alexander, urango, bradley and pacquiao (with holt, torres, maidana, peterson, and ortiz in the back pocket waiting). Then we got berto, mosley , pacquiao, clottey , scareweather, margarito, cotto, marquez (haha), collazo etc... jr. middle we got angulo, williams, martinez (free kirkland!)... Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:21:02 AM
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Jason:
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SALT - You're as good a defender of Floyd as there is, but you can't be serious about Floyd having fought "competitive" opposition at 147. His career is defined more by who he hasn't fought, not by who he has fought. Or by his 0, capital O for omission (Fe'Roz came up with that, I think). His opposition is indefensible. I've said it before and will say it again, I wish he'd have lost the decision against Castillo in their first fight (Harold Lederman gave it to Castillo by 2 or 3 points, can't remember the exact number though). If he had, he wouldn't cling to his undefeated record so sacredly. Maybe he would have fought the elite along the way.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:21:15 AM
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Jason @ SALT:
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My bad SALT - I saw you said debatable after the fact (Floyd's 147 opposition).
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:22:34 AM
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MisterLee:
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Sooo... who's floyd's next match? It ain't williams, mosley, cotto, margarito, nor collazo fo' sure! Let's focus on that? Forget the past, what's in his future?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:22:36 AM
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MisterLee:
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Good night! My arms are tired! Punched myself out! Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:24:13 AM
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Jason @ SALT:
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I hear you regarding the lawsuit and it potentially being just legalese, but don't you think that the Pacquiao camp would come out and say THAT NEVER HAPPENED! We never addressed a positive outcome and quelling it because IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN! That's just my opinion. And I have plenty of posts on this whole ugly episode and I can hardly be called pro-Floyd. Maybe now that Atlas said it on FNF's it will gain more traction and we'll get an absolute denial of that (Atlas is well regarded in boxing circles).
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:28:06 AM
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STARSHINE:
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lets face it! floyd is scared. he cheats and fights those that can't really beat him! he's avoiding the likes of mosley and cotto. common floyd run....just run....history will judge you! a marathon boxer?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:30:29 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Salt:
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Diego Corrales was, may he rest in peace, a great fighter. One of my absolute favorites. I will tell you straight up that the fist time I actually saw him fight live was when he beat Freitas. I was hooked. After Castillo, I needed rehab. It was once I realized how exciting he was that I looked back at his two fights with Casamayor and his destruction at Floyd's hands. I know some will make excuses that diego was having legal and personal problems but Floyd took him apart. The fact that he would have kept fighting is irrelevant. Now if you ask if Corrales was a great boxer, I would answer that truthfully ... but regretably I learned that he was a flawed boxer .... and an absolutely great warrior. Maybe the best of his generation. Salt, I liked Floyd. I have said it before. when he check-left-hooked Ricky Hatton, I was smiling for him. And greatful that he finally shut down the ridiculous promotion machine behind Hatton. But honestly, I though Oscar could have beat him. And since then, Nada. I may be a bit about what have you do for me lately.....but I am always willing to give a nod to great memories as well. Floyd simply has not fought that memorable I-need-to-watch-it -again battle. Nor has he allowed himself to be in one. Time moves on. Floyd sat , i believe, because he was on top all alone. But then along came Manny. Capturing not only the minds, hearts and imagination of millions... but stealing the one thing Floyd loves and believe he deserves most. Respect and Adoration. Those are things that are ephemeral. They don't last simply because you hope they do. Now it's Manny's World. It is tough to deny. And tougher yet for Floyd to swallow. As for this moment, I really am offended by Floyd's dad starting last year with his taco-eating, late to work, poor preparation and abandonment of his fighter (Hatton) mouth casting aspersion on the best thing to happen to boxing in a decade. Floyd should have told him then to shut up. But he didn't. That kind of crap is undignified at best. Libel at worst. So yeah, Corrales was great. Floyd beat him good. But now, and you know I have aid this for the last two years, Floyd is beating himself. And his act is getting old. For me at least. pc
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:36:24 AM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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Hehehehehehe, dude, I just wrote the whole summary of why Floyd's endeavour at 147lbs can be debateful. Damn! XD!!!!!! Anyways, yeah I hear you. Well, that's just strange, really. I really wouldn't be surprised if Pacquiao was on steroids, really. I mean, the whole refusal and stuff, I mean, testin' negative would be such a mmouth shuttin' slap in the face of the Mayweathers that I really was so sure that Pacquiao was gonna submit to the testings, but he didn't. I really agree with Ron Borges that this whole thin' will cast a shadow of doubt on Pacquiao's accomplishments, and his lovers are respondin' with their HEARTS. And Floyd's haters also are denyin' it, bbut because they hate Floyd. Let's see what happens, but if he really is usin' steroids, then he MUST be exposed. Definitely.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:40:15 AM
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EXACTLY! OK, OK, an applause for that great comment you just made. The point of my question was, OK forget about what's happened in recent years, Hatton, De la HOya, 147lbs, Pacquiao etc. All that is debateful and time will tell, but definitely, NO ONE THAT HAS EVEN THE TINIEST KNOWLEDGE IN BOXING would ever say that Floyd's Victory over Diego Corrales at 130lbs is overrated, right? That's just plain STUPID and IGNORANT to the highest level. Everybody knows that was a great Victory that boosted Floyd's career to superstardom. That's just one of the unfortunate things I found in this site. That's the problem with free speech, every ignorant comment can fly aroun' all the time. But yeah, about Pacquiao, recent memories and stuff, we'll see what happens, and I deeply respect your opinion. Nice post there FE'ROZ!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:46:49 AM
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arturo aka EL MAROMERO @ Mister lee:
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I agree with the comparison between Clottey and Winky. The thing I don't like about them is that they fight at the pace the whole fight and when its time to pick it up they don't do it. Good sparring with Salt Lover.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:59:05 AM
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eballe:
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Both fighters have shown unethical action!!!! PBF asked for unreasonable drug testing procedures....Pacman denied a simple drug test!!! Why??? Is there any reason not to agree with PBF's demand to clear up Pacman's legacy?
Both fighters are excellent, but failed to show professionalism!!! Such action by both fighters are selfish and angers me!!!!!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:00:12 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Salt:
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Gonna get some shuteye but I want to add one more thing. I believe most if not all of what has transpired these past few weeks was a bit of a Charade. And that we will see Manny and Floyd in the ring together this year. Tested clean and ready to meet. Forget for a moment a review of the details. Nothing that has transpired precludes the possibility that this was ... for the most part...an agreement to disagree. In other words, to 'act' as if they were really trying .... but all the time understanding that a postponement or delay would not hurt an eventual meeting one iota. In fact, it may and, I think, even help. The principals have placed a lot at stake on this fight. So has Boxing. They need this fight to meet it's expectations. Talk about a 100 million dollar fight is just that: Talk! They need to deliver. And they need time to do so. Walking away from these negotiations may be the best thing for the fight. Anyone interested in seeing it will watch it now ...or later this year. As will many others. Now I believe the Bad Blood is real. And Flowing. But so will the crowds....and their cash come the fall.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:01:15 AM
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SALT lover@Fe'ROZ:
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Hehehehehehe, I hear you. Nice stuff. See ya later!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:04:24 AM
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Am I dreaming?:
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Mayweather don't want the fight. His ducking everyone(mosley,cotto,berto and mega manny). His gonna try to make people believe that his the best. "You ain't gonna be called the best when your not fighting the best!"
and for kountedout's "Wake up United States, we are giving the right of way for people to cheat now" post, here's my reply!
kountedout, The American public eyes are wide open! your the one who is dreaming! man, your the one who should wake!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:08:12 AM
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now that the fight is off for march, let us see gbp and the mayweather camp petition for intensive blood testing to various boxing commissions (NSAC, at least). by the time we revisit the fight, there won't be any debates and excuses.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:34:02 AM
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Palkupz:
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I have this gut feeling the Mayweathers are just out there buying time to ensure MPB gets his physical conditioning in the right time and results. Remember that MPB failed the 147 lbs weight test against Marquez and he wants this time to fight the pacman on even ground - fair and square to cement further his legacy beating the only 7-divisional champion. So go ahead MPB starts training now behind smokes screen of drug testing fiasco. Once physically and mentally ready challenge uncle Bob and set the date at your convenience. Good Strategy eh.... let's see whose the greatest.... can turn to be most hype fight of the decade ...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:50:08 AM
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peter:
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Arum must offer Valero vs Mayweather for the ff reasons:
- Valero must be tested via the welerweight punches of Floyd first.
- Floyd likes to fight smaller guy
- Valero will be amenable to Floyd's whimsical requests.
Since Valero can't fight in the US, a random blood test will be conducted by a more neutral agency as also a more neutral venue can be chosen (Floyd had a share of good judging in Nevada where he lives and was allowed using Xylocaine - banned in other states). People will buy PPV to anticipate possible scratching of Floyd's face and the winner fighting Pac will be bigger!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:53:59 AM
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Isaiah:
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Would someone please let me fight Floyd Mayweather for a fraction of what either of these guys would get against eachother? I'll do it for a million tax free and try to smile and make things as entertaining as possible. Plus, I'm heavier then Floyd, but not an elite or someone anyone out of my hometown has heard of so he should be willing to fight me. I should probaly put away any Ring Magazines I have laying around with Manny Pacquiao or Shane Mosley on them during negotions before Lil Floyd makes a mess in my living room and I have to beat him with a newspaper. Bad Floyd! Bad Floyd! Look what you did! I'd have to grab his neck and rub his face in it. See a picture of Shane Mosley and pee on yourself. HA!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:26:04 AM
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Isaiah:
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All nonsense aside a little bit. Paulie Malignaggi, well, I make a lot of jokes about him, but in reality, he can box, not really hurt anything, but he can box. Obviously, Floyd Mayweather can box extremly well, but wouldn't it be sweet justice if Mayweather and Malignaggi fought eachother and Floyd lost a close decision, A.K.A. the judges robbed Floyd. I could so see that happening at this point. I mean. Wow. I think Floyd would just have a nervous breakdown. After all, the people closest to him say that he needs that 0 in his record to... ummm... do STUFF with it. HA!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:34:30 AM
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floyd is really scared of pacquiao. please read this
Partial blow-by-blow transcript of a GBP insider of the Mediation meeting.
written by GBP Press Dept, January 07, 2010
Schaefer: Oscar, Al and I think we should convince Floyd to agree to the fight already.
Al: Yeah Oscar. They have now agreed to let Pacquiao take the test 24 days before the fight and minutes after the fight. It won't be long til the people realize the burden is really on our side to let this fight happen.
Schaefer: I don't think we can make anymore excuses about the HGH windowing.
Oscar: Well, you gotta talk to Floyd into it. But I won't guarantee that he'll say yes.
Al: Yep, I know that.
Oscar: You know how much that guy worships his undefeated record. He wants Mathew.
Schaefer: I'll call him now anyway.
(Phone rings. Floyd answers phone)
Floyd: Yo! This is the pretty boy speaking. No. 1 pound for pound boxing champion! Undefeated! Undisputed! The cash cow of boxing! Who's this?
Schaefer: Uh, hello Floyd. This is me, Schaefer.
Floyd: Yo ma' man! What's up? Any news about Mathew?
Schaefer: None for now Floyd. Uh... listen... Pacquiao has agreed to be tested 24 days before the fight instead of 30. That leaves him no time to make the cycle since he will also be tested minutes after the fight. I don't think he'll ever get away with it in case he really has it in his sys-
Floyd: He's juiced up man! If my daddy says so then that's for sure!
Schaefer: Alright, alright... I don't think he'll be able to get away with it. Anyway, the blood test after the fight will surely show all the HGH and PED in his system so we really got nothing to lose. In case Manny beats you up, he'll still be disqualified after the fight and you'll still have your perfect record. Com'n Floyd this really really big money! Don't you want it?
Floyd: Uh... like how big?
Schaefer: (voice beaming now) Really big! Like you know how big the MGM Grand is?
Floyd: uhuh
Schaefer: That big! Even bigger!
Floyd: Really!?
Schaefer: Yes Floyd. That big. But wait! There's more! You'll surely be in the Hall Of Fame if you have another great fight in your record. You'll be recognized as one the ATG!
Floyd: What's ATG?
Schaefer: ALL TIME GREATS! Like Ali and Ray Robinson. This is the biggest fight of your career Floyd. You'll be remembered for this fa-
(Al takes the phone)
Al: Hello Floyd. Al here. Let's take this fight. We can make so much money here you know. They've already agreed to shorten the test period before the fight. We don't have any other excuses! The people know what we're doing Floyd. Stop chickening out! Fighting Ricky's brother would only degrade you more. Let's fight Pacquiao. What do you say?
Floyd: You know I can beat him Al. I can knock him out cold! He's just a one-dimensional fighter. He's a terrible boxer. He can't-
Al: Yada yada yada. So what's your answer? Is it a yes or a no?
Floyd: Uh... No.
Al: ****!
(Al gives the phone to Schaefer)
Schaefer: Com'n Floyd. Just say yes already. What more do you want? We all know you can beat him. Right? You're father thinks you can beat Pacquiao right? Right Floyd?
Floyd: Damn right he does! Dad said I'm gonna whoop Pacquiao's ***! I'm the best! Pacquiao is just another boxer they built up to beat me! He can't beat me. I haven't been knocked out before. Pacquiao's been knocked out before! He's no match against me. I'm gonna whoop his *** so bad he's gonna wish he never signed up for the fight! Yeah man! I'm undefeated. I have fought the best. And there's no fighter out there that can beat me. I'm the Pretty Boy Floyd!
Schaefer: Great Floyd! I totally agree with you. Pacquiao is gonna get the beating of his life! So does that mean you'll fight him?
Floyd: No.
Schaefer: ****!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:06:00 AM
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that means all the commissions should change the rules, like banning all together Xylocaine, ( the drug Floyd Jr. uses to inject in his hands) because, apparently, this drug is illegal in nearly all states, with one notable exception, Nevada
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:21:45 AM
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Wengz2009:
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Floyd definitely wants no Part of Mosley! He's been avoiding the guy like Forever!
I'm curious who's Fraud is fighting next!!!
I always believed that:
Pac-Mosley, Pac-Foreman, Pac-Clottey is better fights that Pac-Mayweather! But I must admit the later is the FIght of the Century!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:28:44 AM
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kirk3451:
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If Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Duran and all those greats are here today and happened to be in Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s era, all the great accomplishments of those boxing immortals will be tarnished by the Mayweathers and will be supported by GBP and his moronic personnel. Those Hall-of-Famers who jumped from weight class to weight class and stamped their wins over great opponents will get the ire, envy and jealousy of the Mayweathers who will stop at nothing to besmirch and question those true greats accusing them of something fishy in their bodies. Floyd Jr is irked when fans penetrate his smoke screen exposing the fraud that he is when compared to true great legendary boxers.. Poor Floyd Fans!!! This group of fans are now lost as to who truly are the sport's greats except Floyd Mayweather Jr. lol.. nobody among the top 100 legends and true greats of boxing have undergone Olympic-style drug testing. i pity them stupid moron Floyd fans!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:58:59 AM
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candyman:
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floyd..your'e a coward..not a boxer but a boaxer....
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 04:30:50 AM
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hilate:
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---- Its been proven that Floyd is the only one that uses illegal drugs to numb his hands before a fight. The only state that Legalizes the drugs Floyd uses for his hands is in Nevada Las Vegas, hence why the Floyd camp didn't want it held in Texas stadium. 49 states have banned Xylocaine in boxing which he injects into his hands to numb any pain before the fight. Floyd is using a drug to enhance his performance of his fist. He doesnt feel the pain of his punches so he can throw it harder. He is the real user of enhancement drugs not Pac. If pac is to take Olympic test then floyd should be banned from using a drug that will prevent him from using his own natural ability of feeling the punches. Muhammid Ali had to beat Frazier with a broken hand and feel the pain why is floyd allowed not to feel the pain and CHEAT AGAIN!! A WEIGHT CHEATER AND NOW A PAIN CHEATER!!!
:-)
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 05:34:20 AM
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morpheus:
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This make a more interesting match-up that floyd-malignalli. Unless you suffer from chronic insomnia
Bring it on Pac-Clottey! Ignore floyd, he is now totally irrelevant!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:01:48 AM
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Kid Baroro:
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PLAIN AND SIMPLE: MAYWEATHER IS AFRAID OF PACQUIAO, PERIOD! coward
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:32:06 AM
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Caballero:
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Xylocaine...Now I see why Shaeffer and team Mayweather never planned on visiting Jerry Jones,
Cowboys Stadium, or the state of Texas.
Its been proven that Floyd uses a drug/banned substance/advantage to numb his hands before a fight. The only state that legalizes the drugs Floyd uses for his hands is in Nevada Las Vegas, hence why the Floyd camp didn't
want it held in Texas stadium. 49 states have banned Xylocaine in boxing which he injects into his hands to numb any pain before the fight. This is not a baseless witch hunt accusation, this is a fact.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:12:58 AM
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Rogelio Cailing Jr.:
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Floyd Coward Mayweather ducks with Manny Braveman Pacquiao
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:37:18 AM
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james:
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Hey guys have read the latest news? according to Scott Heritage "Mayweather has used injectable pain killers such as Xylocaine in the past before fights. The irony being that this drug is illegal in nearly all states, with one notable exception, Nevada.
Perhaps the reason for Golden Boy and Mayweather not wanting to fight in Texas now becomes clear. Obviously if tested there, particularly with the extensive testing he was asking for, Mayweather would test positive for a banned substance. In Nevada, these drugs are legal, and presumably can be used for athletic competition without any legal or financial recourse."
what can you say now Flyodee??? hehehe!!!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:55:56 AM
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Leon Kilat:
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Salt Lover,
Who do you think Manny should fight?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:07:44 AM
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botik:
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remember me next new year's eve and we'll simultaneously watch dvd tape of pac vs. may fight. botik was right all along, may's knee touched the canvass on the _th round & referee stopped the fight, amen
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:00:22 AM
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art:
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Manny is willing to be tested a day before the fight as long as this is the rule of the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:02:04 AM
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mortcola@Fe'roz:
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Good call. I think show-biz history tells us that a lot of this epic scandal is semi-serious, all the rumbling of volcano gods before they get down to business. Although, I think I prefer the on-camera ranting of ca-1990 WWF villains to this. At least you KNEW that was about promotion of a sideshow. When it comes to boxing, I really like it more when the combatants focus mostly on getting their asses in the ring and doing what they're trained to do.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:03:11 AM
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mortcola@Isaiah:
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You know, you're right. Paulie's a goofball, but he comes to (ahem) fight (armed with tic-tacs in bubble-wrap). But he throws a lot and moves a lot, and has a good chin. He's really serious for a guy who brings a squash racquet to a football game. Floyd doesn't like to lead, and doesn't throw in volume. Not exciting to watch, but interesting in terms of how it might play out.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:05:46 AM
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El Maromero@ kountedout:
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Just read that Mayweather gave Manny 14 days instead of the 1 day before the fight to do a random test so Manny had at least two weeks to recover from the blood taken out from his body.What happened with Teddy Atlas last night? I didn't see FNF.This thing is starting to look a little odd
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:08:10 AM
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des:
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WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAKING BLOOD TEST A DAY BEFORE THE FIGHT AND JUST RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT? IS THERE A DRUG THAT CAN ONLY WORK FROM 14 DAYS BEFORE THE FIGHT AND AFTER 12 ROUNDS OF BOXING?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:28:51 AM
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The Dream:
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Is it just me or some stupid article just got pulled off from this site?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:40:23 AM
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El Maromero:
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INSIDEINFOrMAtION mentioned the same thing that T. Atlas said about Mannys people asking about What happens if the test is positive?what is the fine?will it go public? I have paid for at least 4 Pacquiao bouts and I would be upset if he was a cheater. I am the only one in my Mexican family rooting for FLOyD. Manny has a lot of followers from around the globe and he can damage the sport harder than anybody if he is tested and found guilty.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:55:35 AM
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kountedout@El Maromero:
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they were talking about the mayweather/pacquiao fight and they brought teddy atlas in to offer his take on whats going on. teddy atlas said his source saw a letter from the pacquiao camp asking questions what if they tested positive and what would the fine be, also could they keep it a secret. if that is just lawyers asking questions then why would they ever talk about a fine and keeping it secret. they hustled teddy atlas off immediately. they dont wanna hear the truth hahaha
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:41:58 AM
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kountedout:
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did bob arum ever say that margarito was in the wrong when he was caught cheating in the shane mosley fight? all he did was stand up for him and never did admit he was wrong. cotto even got upset with arum for defending margarito. do you think arum would say manny is wrong if he is wrong? people who say floyd is trying to make medical commission changes but what floyd is asking for is for something that could be for the betterment of the sport. here are some changes they made for the betterment of the sport. they banned SMELLING SALT in your corner if you get hurt and you're able to survive the round and make it back to your corner it can wake you back up, they dont allow you to put SUGAR in your water bc it gives you energy, trainers use to give there fighters sugar in the later rounds to energize them, they went from DETACHED gloves to THUMBLESS to try and protect from detached retinas, from 15 rounds to 12 bc they say that 15 rounds lead to the death of fighters, didn't they change the use of 10oz gloves for 147? (they changed it back for manny when he fights). is that for the betterment of the sport? i can give other changes but i will stop for now. teddy atlas always speaks for the betterment of the sport and im right with him on that.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 12:58:38 PM
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Real Talk :
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EM ...can you please.....!!! Edit the clowns coming up in here with nothing to offer to the U. I'm about to start firing down on'em. Dueces
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:23:09 PM
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Arum stated “They made the 14 day offer and Todd sent a text message to (Pacquiao's agent) Michael Koncz in the Philippines. Five minutes later, Koncz replied and said Manny rejected that. Richard Schaefer stated "In order for a trilogy bout between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez.. In a move we all expected, Marquez, like Floyd Mayweather Jr., made a demand for random Olympic style drug tests. Schaefer also said that Pacquiao would have to take random blood tests for a fight with any Golden Boy Promotions fighter,and that includes Shane Mosley. Promoter Gary Shaw predicted this would happen. He said back then, "If he doesn't do the tests with Mayweather, I believe the only fights that Pacquiao will be able to get are with fighters who are with Top Rank. All other promoters are going to want to know that they are fighting on level playing field."
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:33:00 PM
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i believe this fight will still happen in the near future. I also believe that Pac-man will soon prepare himself for the super welter weight . Valero should try knocking out first juan manuel marquez before he gets Pac-mans attention. If 7 titles means 7th heaven then an 8th crown would be an eight wonder.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:37:33 PM
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I have to respectfully disagree with you on that brother. Some of those you named are my dudes. The saying is don't feed it an it won't grow. Cooler heads just ignore the ignorant and they disapear. Kind of like Jay'Z did Cam'ron. It's not good to lose your cool. Your pride will get you killed and your feelings will get you hurt. I'm taking deep wooosaahs over here. It's like Radam G said ....ainger sits in the boosum of a fool. When you're angry you don't think, caveman takes over, then it's animal instincts. I'm usually cool as icewater, but when somebody says things like that it's like talking about my mother. I'm out . Stay up and stay sharp!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:39:54 PM
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do u guys still doubt the pacman. You guys are just racist. Cannot accept that an Asian is invading right in your living room pay per view style HD. Don't be blind pacman fights anybody I mean look at him does he look like a coward to u?? Be serious now. I bet u anything before he fought cotto. U guys never thought that he would fight cotto much less destroy him. Am I right??? I don't know what the pacman has to eat before u guys believe him. But racism my friends is a very difficult thing to erase. It was here when this country started and it is still here today breathing hard. This green monster called racism. And now he prefers not to fight foreman and u guys again discredit him. His alibi to show u that he is telling the truth is this "147 is good for me this is my regular weight 154 is too big" quote this is after the cotto fight. Check your TiVo. Once again the pacman is proven right with proof. Have u guys taken any college classes before u write something back it up please
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 01:40:26 PM
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SALT lover:
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*"saint" Pacquiao's deacons
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:10:14 PM
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kountedout@salt lover:
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thanx man, only bc we have brought up issues an things watch how they accuse jason, insideinformation and me of being the same guy. but it's cool bc they dont like to hear the truth and whats real. hahaha
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:19:46 PM
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riverside:
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Tss is awesome, here i'm am nursing my shin splint, I thought it was a quiet morning, I see everybody fired up, those racist remarks need to be put on the shelf!!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:33:00 PM
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Misterlee:
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What's your weight class. How long you been boxing?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:34:17 PM
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SALT - Thanks for the heads-up on that youtube clip. I was looking for it earlier on ESPN's site, but it wasn't there (they just had a 'Clottey is Ecstatic' article/video). I'm just scratching my head at this one, IF it's true. Because if it isn't true, and I was an advisor in the Pacquiao camp, I'd be SCREAMING that it's a blatant lie. It's the most incriminating thing that's come out against Pacquiao, much more than anything the Mayweathers' have said. Anyway, here's the text of Teddy Atlas' direct quote from ESPN's FNF's, 1/8/2010, in his discussion with Brian Kenny and Dan Rafael: "Look, my thing that I can add to this, again, from sources that told me, they said that people in the Pacquiao camp sent a couple of emails to the Mayweather camp a few weeks ago, about 2 or 3 weeks ago, and the first email was what would the penalty be if our guy tested positive, the second email was if he did test positive, could we keep this a secret for the benefit of boxing. Now again, I don't know, other than my source, who I trust, told me that he saw those emails. Now I also know that Tim Smith, the columnist for the (NY) Daily News, reported on the same thing I just said. Now, if that's true, again, that doesn't prove anything definitively, but you just wonder why those questions were being asked."
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 02:42:02 PM
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ali @ kountedout:
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Stay going hard homie...Some people on here just to try to get under people skin. This site is talk boxing not to actually get in to a fight with people you don't even know. I feel you though some of these comments people post go to far so you got to address .Staying doing you but I already know you will ONE.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:21:34 PM
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swift:
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I still don't understand why Floyd fans let him off the hook? The guy hasn't fought one tough opponent other than delahoya and he wouldn't have fought him if he delahoya wasn't the cashcow that he is... If Floyd fights Mallinaggi or any other cream puff, he will get laughed at for ever. He has been a welterweight for 5 years yet he hasn't fought anyone! I'm not a pac fan, but the guy just fought cotto and is looking to fight clottey! That's what an all-time great fighter does....
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:39:11 PM
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MisterLee:
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Are we talking fist fight or boxing dude? B/c i sure as hell know boxing dont' allow elbows to the face, side kicks to the hip, forearms to the temple. B/c i'm a beginner in boxing don't mean I'm a beginner in fighting. 136lbs, jr. welter size. 5'8/ 5'9 ish. Bring some pain.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:49:49 PM
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MisterLee:
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What type of rules we having, padding or no padding? are legs allowed, forearms, elbows, knees? Ground fighting, take downs? Lemme know! holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 03:50:48 PM
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ali @ T-Dog:
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Oh boy is stupid as hell don't even waste your time talking to him. Yeah Freddie Roach sounds like he knows what's going on with some of his comments. First it's the needles then it because he's going to feel weak CHILD PLEASE!!!!! its 2 weeks before the fight not the next day.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 04:02:14 PM
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SALT lover@swift:
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Dude, as you must know, I'ma a DIE-HARD Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0) fan. But unlike 99.9999% of the Pacquiao lovers in this site, I'm NOT a FANATIC. I know when Floyd is right and when he's wrong. I definitely agree with you, yes, Floyd NEEDS to step up his competition now and like I've been writin', Mosley-Berto winner is the perfect match, as do Paul Williams. Yes, his competition after Ricky Hatton (Or even includin' Ricky Hatton, it can be debateful) has not been somethin' to take people's dreams away. But that's no reason to be writin' whole bunch of things about him that are just plain wrong. I also 100% agree with you, not only Paul Malignaggi, but also Matthew Hatton has been mentioned as his possible next opponent. If any of those two cases is True, and he doesn't fight either Mosley-Berto winner, Paul Williams, or even Cotto, or any top Welterweight, then yes, that would be a lame move to do, and I would be along you and many others criticizin' it. And concernin' Pacquiao against Clottey, that doesn't amuse me. Clottey's style is made for Pacquiao; the Filipino should fight a technical solid fighter, but his bosses keep 'em away from their boy. Good comment my friend!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 04:04:37 PM
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MisterLee:
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I been doing martial arts since I was 13. 'nuff said.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 04:26:38 PM
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kountedout@ali:
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Yo bruh! Im down wit cha. believe me man I love running good boxing knowledge to the ones that shoot it back. you and a some others are like a breath of fresh air man! Im no jive talker i know only 1 way to crack. lets get back to talkin some real boxin in this joint. no doubt I feel ya and keep it straight, Im on natural ground bruh. good reachin out. ONE!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 04:38:46 PM
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MisterLee:
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Mister Lee : 2 , Kounted out: 0. Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 04:40:54 PM
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floyd jones d greatest:
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People defending Pacquiao at this point are doing immense damage to the integrity of boxing in the future.
For the die-hard Pacquiao fan who just doesn't want the rise in weight class to be phony: Stop and think for a moment. Why doesn't he just take the tests?
Take Mayweather completely out of it and imagine it's another respected fighter like Marquez or Cotto demanding that Manny take blood tests. Would you still be understanding towards him not agreeing to the tests?
The man's reputation is permanently stained now. All he would have to do to completely change that perception (and gain some $40 million dollars) is take a few random blood tests. When you consider this, it really becomes silly to even assume that he could be clean.
Of course, it seems that like baseball, boxing is going to have to learn this lesson the hard way. It's unfortunate that the man who brought these allegations to light, Mayweather, has absolutely no credibility.
Of course, just because you are a jerk, doesn't make you wrong.
When we look back on the "steroid era" of boxing years from now, we will remember we were duped into thinking that Pacquiao and Mayweather was a battle of good vs. evil, where the Pacman could do no wrong.
In our desperation to find that one great fighter who could finally shut up Mayweather, we were swindled by a wolf in sheep's clothing. A cheater with a smile on his face, Manny Pacquiao.
-sean moore and it makes real sense.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 05:08:45 PM
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Clottey is much better fighter than Yuri and Malignaggi combined. The thing with Yuri is not really the height but the weight Pac doesn't even weigh 154 during fight night and he'll have to fight at 154... Accusers will going to have a field day if he fight Yuri then knock him out. Clottey is much better fight, If Pac penetrates Clottey's tight defense he can easily manage Floyd jr.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 05:59:07 PM
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Absolutely not! Joshua Clottey does NOT bring nothin' Pacquiao has seen in his last four fights: An aggresive fighter known for his strength and aggresiveness, plus a fontal movement that goes great for Pacquiao's style of fightin'. In change Yuri Foreman and Paul Malignaggi (Though Malignaggi, the most he can do is complicate things, but not win) bring somethin Pacquiao hasn't seen since Juan Manuel Marquez, and that's a technically solid opposition, and good foot-work, focusin' on outboxin' Pacquiao, rahter knockin' him out. The fact is that Pacquiao's style is made for physical type of fights and that's when he looks phenomenal, but when it's a TACTICAL match-up, he doesn't know what to do and looks like anamateur; Roach knows this. The Truth is that Yuri Foreman has a great chance to complicate things for Pacquiao, and Roach has been cherrypickin' opponents that are aggresive for his boy rather than opponents that are technically great fighters and smart inside the ring. If Foreman was such a walk in the park for Pacquiao, please, you people think Pacquiao and his people would not be aimin' for an 8th World Title in 8 Divisions, rather than a fight with fighter that doesn't bring him nothin' that he already has done and we have already seen? PLEASE! That lame excuse of Foreman being taller is total BS. It's Foreman's STYLE and not his height that worries Pacquiao's bosses. In boxin' there's a sayin' that STYLES MAKES FIGHTS, and physical fights are golden for Pacquiao's style, even if the opponent's King Kong, and technically solid and slick fighters are pure poison for Pacquiao even if the opponent is the mouse Jerry. That's the Truth, but of course, Paclovers will say Clottey's some kind of dangerous threat and treat it as if is somethin' new. Pacquiao will trash Clottey, the same way, he has trashed the same type of aggresive fighters in his last four fights. Checkezzzzzzz!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:11:35 PM
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SALT lover:
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*Joshua Clottey does NOT bring nothin' Pacquiao has NOT seen in his last four fights
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:13:02 PM
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MisterLee:
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Sooo... who's Floyd fighting next? Must be tougher than Clottey...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:16:14 PM
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kountedout:
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i agree with you on that salt lover, look at the cotto/manny fight. there were times when cotto boxed he had manny looking lost. there were times manny ran into punches bc of cotto trying to box. having footwork, handspeed and defense is a lot different then a fighter being flat footed and aggressive looking to knock you out. miguel cotto and others never learned to set traps. for example, hatton fell into one of floyds traps when floyd hit hatton with a check hook while stepping back.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:23:46 PM
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it's interesting the way race plays in boxing. it does have to be talked about because as taboo as talking about race can be in the USA, it's a very big part of selling boxing (latin fury, pinoy fury), you see folks with the flags of their countries at fights, obviously pacquiao has a great influence on the philipines and the rest of asian boxing. floyd has a lot of influence i imagine on young black kids who want to make it big in anything one day. national pride and racial pride get their lines blurred very often. however, i want everyone to remember one thing: you are not the fighters in the ring. they may be fighting for their country, their race, whatever, but you're not the one doing the fighting, and the outcome of any fight between different races doesn't say crap about one race vs. another race. i know this sounds like kindergarten stuff, but from waht i've seen noto just in this thread, some of you really need it.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:29:33 PM
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SALT lover@Kountedout:
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Yeah, that's called a chess player in boxin'. Settin' up your opponent, and tactical match-ups, in which Pacquiao is still in second grade. But when it's a physical fight, he perfomance fantastic. That is why Yuri Foreman suddenly's too "tall" for Pacquiao. On the Miguel Cotto thing, the good thing about Cotto is that most of the times, he can adjust to the opponents, and even when he was fightin' Pacquiao at the beginnin' he started off pretty well until fall into the tradin' games, and that's when the whole momentum of the fight changed. Same thin' will happen to Clottey, though I think the Ghana fighter at some point will focus on defense to not get KO'ed, since it's True that he's very strong in takin punches. I never say a fighter has such thing as an "iron chin" (If I did once, then I was wrong), and he CAN get KO'ed, but he'll keep his hands up so Pacquiao won't continue with his punishment. Joshua Clottey's strong, and he has some pretty good moves that underrated and all, but it ain't technical enough to defeat the Filipino boxer.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:32:42 PM
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Sooo... who's Floyd fighting next? Must be tougher than Clottey...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:41:03 PM
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The letter that filipino people are circulating to AT&T to discontinue and forgo all endorsement relationships with Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
To: Randall L. Stephenson, Chairman and CEO, AT&T Inc., And All Prospective Floyd Mayweather Jr. Endorsers
December 28, 2009
Randall L. Stephenson
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
AT&T Incorporated
208 South Akard St.
Dallas, TX. 75202-4206
Dear Mr. Stephenson and To Whom It May Concern:
We are writing to express the deep concerns we have with one of your representatives, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Mr. Mayweather as you know is a professional boxer. He has a tentatively scheduled bout on March 13th, 2010 with Manny Pacquiao, another professional boxer from the Philippines.
For reasons unbeknownst to us, Mr. Mayweather, his father, Floyd Mayweather Sr., his adviser, Leonard Ellerbe and his promoter, Golden Boy Promotions have decided to engage in a smear campaign against Mr. Pacquiao. Their efforts have included press releases, interviews and internet blogs. And their unfounded, unwarranted and unjustified accusations have all centered around the illegal use of steroids, human growth hormones & other chemicals.
Mr. Pacquiao has never before been accused of using the aforementioned products and he has passed every drug test that he has ever been administered throughout the course his career. Yet this did not stop Mr. Mayweather and his associates from engaging in cowardly, malicious and defaming tactics against him.
Up until this point, Mr. Pacquiao has enjoyed the fruits of a pristine image everywhere he has gone throughout the Philippines and the world. An image which he established through hard work and dedication to his God, his Country and his fans. He will no longer be able to enjoy the fruits of his hard-earned image thanks to Mr. Mayweather and his associates.
These claims which bring into question Mr. Pacquiao's character, honesty and integrity become even more damaging when you take into account the fact he is currently seeking public office in his native Philippines.
In response to their actions, Mr. Pacquiao has decided to immediately file a defamation suit against Mr. Mayweather and his associates.
And in response to those same actions, we are now formally asking you to discontinue and forgo all endorsement relationships, and future endorsement relationships, with Mr. Mayweather and his associates.
We believe there is no place in the world of sport, nor the world in general for this type of behavior. And we earnestly hope that you will also find there is no place for this type of behavior in your upstanding organization as well.
Sincerely,
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 06:56:45 PM
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Boxing skills doesn't make you the best nor will make you unbeatable it could only take one punch to win a fight. Yuri is an average boxer making his boxing skills superior and enough to upset Pac is laughable. Yuri is just tall got average skill and his foot speed can complicate Pac. If Yuri started to run Pac wouldn't be able to reach him due to height and reach disparity plus the weight it's too much for a former fly weight... Maybe Floyd jr would fight Yuri but I guess he would have to ask for an olympic drug test he want to change the policy and clean the sport... right? I guess if boxing accepted that NBA, NFL and others should follow too.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:21:41 PM
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oskar:
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Filipinos are proud people and does have a mentality not to be push around so having that kind of letter circulating it's just normal.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:32:58 PM
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WHAAA??!!!!!!!!!!! Wait, wait, wait.....what was that.....dude, are you even readin' yourself???!!!! Check the RIDICULOUS first sentence of that start-to-finish wrong comment you just made:........... "Boxing skills doesn't make you the best"......So a fighter can be the best without skills, Oskar? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So skills are not needed in boxin' to be the best accordin' to you. XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!! And then you even have igniracen and the nerves to say Foreman beatin' Pacquiao is laughable! That comment of yours is laughable, man, please. Dude, does Pacquiao make you THAT blind that you start writin' this huge nonsense? OF COURSE skills are needed in this game. Man, another blind dude in my list that's a waste of time discussin' boxin' in this site. Man, I think dudes like Pacquiao are the ones damagin' this sport. It makes ridiculous nonsense, comments like these to fly aroun' the boxin' sites and forums. And about Yuri Foreman, like I said, World Title in 8th Division is a much precious thing (Somethin' you PacFANATICS were screamin' and boastin' about when Pacquiao was gonna fight with Cotto and was aimin' for his 7th) than fightin' a fighter that can't win imoportant fights, and one that does not provide anythin' Pacquiao hasn't seen in his last four fights. No all of a sudden his Division records is not that attractive, huh?..................."Boxing skills are not needed to be........." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maaaan................
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:37:01 PM
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SALT lover:
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*then you even have ignorance and the nerves
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:37:53 PM
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SALT lover@Oskar:
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AAhhhhh, so you must be a Filipino. No wonder, so that's why you defend Pacquiao at the point os sayin' such nonsense comments. All right then, my bad, Hehehehehehe. Keep up writin' all that stuff then......XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:39:05 PM
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Mister Lee:
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Sooo... who's Floyd fighting next? Must be tougher than Clottey...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:58:45 PM
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MisterLee adds:
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So who's Floyd's next opponent? Come on Floyd fans. Step up! This is not some investigation, it's an honest boxing question. Pc!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:24:15 PM
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Frank Z:
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yeah oskar's on that rocky dope. well, floyd's next opponent is likely carlos quintana at this point, unless he decides to wait around for pacquiao which is a bad idea, to say that inactive again. matthew hatton's a bad joke. this is a surprise to see manny take on clottey, but i have a feeling they're gonna boil clottey down to 143, clottey already gains a lot of weight at fight night from at 147, and he has no leverage against pacquiao.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:28:09 PM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... (Boxing skills doesn't make you the best nor will make you unbeatable it could only take one punch to win a fight) I guess you forgot to write the whole sentence its either you get the meaning or you don't. So you think Yuri can win 7 titles in 7 weight division? Yuri is just an average fighter fighting at a higher division Pac is an elite fighter fighting at his weight limit division his not even a natural welter weight and you want him to fight at middle weight, I guess you really know your boxing. Why don't you ask Floyd jr to fight guys on his own division and you want Pac to fight at middle weight wow so who makes ridiculous nonsense, comments like these to fly aroun' the boxin' sites and forums
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:33:37 PM
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oskar:
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Carlos Quintana? Wow Malignaggi sounds better but I get this one its because Carlos defeated Paul and so making Floyd jr look good like the logic behind Marquez.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:38:58 PM
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SALT lover@Oskar:
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Oh, no, no, dude. It's NOT ME that wants Pacquiao to fight Foreman, he can fights whoever he wants to fight. It's just that I'm not buyin' that BS height excuse he gave when he decided not to fight Foreman. And the one who doesn't get the point is you: Nobody said Yuri Foreman winnin' 7 Titles in 7 Divisions. That is not the point here. The point here is that one of the huge the reason why Pacquiao's doin' that is cuz his bosses pick opponents that are suitable for him in terms of STYLES, plus drainin' them in those stupid "catch-weights". Almost all his ooponents they chose for him are physical, frontal, aggresive opponents that try to KO Pacquiao instead of usin' their skills and their brains to simply win fights. And yeah, I know about boxin', though I'm not an expert, nor a guru, but I ain't such ignorant to say say somethin' so FOOLISH like "Boxing skills aren't not needed to be the best". And about Floyd, we'll see who he fights, and dependin' who he fights I'll support or criticize. I don't have any problems judgin' Floyd in a just manner. I've criticize him plenty of times, unlike you with Pacquiao, I'm a fan of the sport first, and Floyd second.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:47:48 PM
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SALT lover@Frank Z:
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XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, did you read what that kid just wrote?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Oh man, that's the unfortunate things we have to read aroun' this site. Oh, man.... and concernin' Floyd's next opponent nobody knows yet. He hasn't announced anythin' (Dude, where you got Quintana from?). Like I've said plenty of times already, the winner of Mosley-Berto is an option, Paul Willims is another option, but yeah Matthew Hatton sounds like the rumor has it most. If Floyd fights Matthew Hatton, I wrote it already plenty of times, that would be lame and ridiculous move, same goes for Quintana, though I think that's just you jokin' Hehehehehehe. And about Pacquiao and Clottey, yeah, I forgot about that. Roach is probably gonna drain Clottey to 143, 144lbs, and then say that he doesn't care wht weight Clottey comes at fight night XD!!!!! Oh, man. Still, Pacquiao's gonna trash him. He don't bring nothin' Pacquiao hasn't seen new in the last four fights.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:49:02 PM
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SALT lover:
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*The point here is that one of the huge reasons why
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 08:51:41 PM
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oskar:
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I remember some people would say that Manny is no match for Cotto that he wouldn't even fair against the likes of Clottey, Margarito and etc now those same people is saying Clottey would be no match for Pac...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:01:46 PM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... By your logic why not ask Floyd jr to fight Paul Williams or Kelly Pavlik...
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:12:33 PM
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Frank Z@oskar:
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there were whispers about quintana before there were serious talks of pacquiao floyd for floyd to get another tuneup. so how does paulie sound better? better for what? you think paulie would be a tougher opponent?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:24:02 PM
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SALT lover@Oskar:
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By my logic, I'm not gonna do it, cuz #1 I'm not his boss, nor his adviser, and #2I already wrote dependin' on who he chooses I'll support, or I'll criticize...............and about "those same people" yeah, "they" (In other words ME, Hehehehe) were wrong. "Those same people" have learn about boxin' in recent years. Like I said, I'm no expert, nor guru, just a simple fan, that's all.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:24:57 PM
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Frank Z@salt:
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i actually wouldn't have much of a problem with floyd fighting quintana as a stay busy fight. it won't be a challenge for him but it'll be good to get back familiar with southpaws.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:25:28 PM
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SALT lover@Frank Z:
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Hehehehehe, I hear you, but you would be one of the VEEEEEEEEERY few. I would also enjoy him fightin' a pretty decent technical fighter like Quintana, but I think Floyd should step up and fight someone on the level of Mosley-Berto winner, or Paul Williams. Or even a solid Champion at 154lbs. It's time to go for the big fights. I will enjoy to the fullest whomever Floyd fights, but I think it's time for the big thing, though my criticism will be present if he doesn't match against a top quality opponent. And about the southpaw stuff, yeah, I hear you. Quintana might be OK for that, though he's not the same style as Pacquiao, if that's why he would fight Quintana.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:31:24 PM
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Wow dudes. EM must be off for the weekend because I think he would have squashed this by now. It is unfortunate that some have to drag this site down by their racists comments. That does not belong here because it states "be respectful" and usually people abide by that. Usually EM lays the smackdown and I'm sure he will when he reviews the comments here today. This should have been squashed from the start. Now I want to comment about the email that Teddy Atlas was talking about. I don't believe there was an email. How stupid come someone be to do something like that? The people who are reporting this should show proof of what they are talking about. Pacquaio is going to have to do something to clear himself now. I know everyone is saying he is innocent but people are still going to have their doubts about him and that is not going to go away. People will always be suspicious of him now and that will not go away. I don't care what reasons he gives, it is not going away now. Everybody loses here.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 09:34:23 PM
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oskar:
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Frank Z... Quanta who gave up against Cotto only last 5 rounds is much better than Maliganggi who fought Cotto for 12 rounds. For a guy claiming to be the best Qutana is good for his legacy. HAha
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:15:31 PM
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@ Salt: "the winner of Mosley-Berto is an option, Paul Willims is another option" I'm gonna hold you to that. I GUARANTEE floyd ain't gonna fight Mosley, WIlliams, nor Pacquiao this year. PPLE! Think, if Floyd WANTED to fight Pacquiao now, he woulda done it. How is November, 2010 gonna be different from March, 2010? Is Floyd letting the pot brew? No! The pot is hot and ready to go! ALSO: What weight did Manny sign to fight Floyd at again? Can someone remind me? Oh YEAH! 147. So yeah, as much as you guys call Pac the CATCHWEIGHT king, he's only FOUGHT IN ONE CATCHWEIGHT FIGHT: Cotto at 145, sooo.... that's no different from Floyd The CATCHWEIGHT Prince at 144 with Marquez except that he cheated? Couldn't have Manny walked into the weigh in at 147, thus giving him an advantage over Cotto? No, he decided to come in at 144 or 145 as contracted, how about FLOYD the Catchweight Prince who has fought in as many catchweight fights as Manny? Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:17:03 PM
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FE'ROZ :
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Mister Lee has been asking a very simple and good question. Who is Floyd fighting next? And nobody answers. The burden is not on Floyd's loyal fans. It is on Floyd. and has been. Set aside for a moment any issues about the selection of his competition. He simply does not fight often enough. Since beating Sharmba Mitchell in at the end of 2005 he has fought exactly five (5) times. Six (6) fights total in almost five (5) years. His victories were over Judah, Baldomir, Oscar, Hatton and JMM. Whatever one's opinion of those fighters, the fact is that he has fought so little is a large part of the problem with Floyd. You simply cannot say you are the best..... nor can you expect others, even your most loyal, to support you.... if you do not fight. The math itself is damning. One fight every ten month's does not exactly inspire. Subtract what most observers believe have been carefully selected opponents and you have a very thin base for enthusiasm. Certainly not enough to justify calling yourself the Best. Stardom requires visibility. Time waits for no one. In any walk of life. So I think Mister Lee's question is spot on. Who are you fighting next, Floyd? We're waiting.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:17:54 PM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... By my logic, I'm not gonna do it, cuz #1 I'm not his boss, nor his adviser, and #2I already wrote dependin' on who he chooses I'll support, or I'll criticize... Yah right but you keep doin it to Manny, what a bias answer.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:17:55 PM
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donputo69:
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Can i join some of this beef going on?...lol...wtf is going on here?....lol...but i do gotta agree with Real Talk and kountedout...there are alot of pu$$1es on this universe...alot of dudes talk real tough behind the keyboard...but i guranteed that most of them have never been in a fist fight before...holla back!!!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:22:37 PM
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MisterLee:
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You guys are ridiculous. The Saint, who has never said any racial slurs before this week lost his cool b/c of Kounted Out, he may or may not be a racist, time will tell. But that was it, there is no +1 to the convo, I know I didn't say anything racist, if anything I stood up for black pple or all pple and redirected a race issue to a socio-economic and poverty issue. And yeah, kounted out pulled a floyd: ducked me. +1 for Mister Lee fo' sho!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:27:17 PM
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MisterLee:
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So how's Floyd the "Catchweight Prince". He's fought in exactly the same amount of catchweights as Manny EXCEPT: which is a bigger threat... Marquez at 144 or Cotto at 145?!! Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:28:59 PM
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Frank Z@oskar:
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yeah funny how you'd dismiss beating quintana as justification for being better than paul williams but you say paulie's better than quintana cause he lasted longer against cotto. would paulie beat LTP?
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:42:30 PM
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FE'ROZ @ Teddy Atlas:
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I'm a great admirer of Atlas. If he had said that 'He' himself had seen an incriminating email I would believe him. But he did not say that. He said someone else said they saw it. That is, for me, a little to much whispering down the line to give any weight at this time. The whole scandal is about innuendo and rumors. Until someone shows us proof I have no interest nor do I hold one rumor in any higher regard than the other. But if it's Atlas we are talking about, Check out his comments on Clottey as Pac's opponent. He believes he is stylistically and physically a bigger threat than Cotto. Say what you may, but Pacquiao is fighting a very strong naturally bigger welterweight. That is why he has electrified so many. He fights up. Every fight.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:44:28 PM
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Frank Z@salt:
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oh i'm with you there, it's time for floyd to step up or quit. he said he missed the competition and the fans, fans need him to win them back at this point. there's a lot of people i think he should fight. for exmaple, if he beats sergio martinez he'd get a ton of leverage to say he's #1 p4p. or even luis collazo, if he blows him out in shane mosley fashion. but yeah, ideally shane mosley andre berto winner. we'll see what 's in floyd's heart soon enough. he was out of excuses after marquez, i would have preferred him face mosley right away, since pacquiao's still not a real welter.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:48:15 PM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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Doin' what? I'm sayin' Clottey suits him better than Foreman cuz of styles, and that's why he gave that height excuse what's wrong or biased about that? That's the Truth.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 10:57:20 PM
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oskar:
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Frank Z... Now it’s because Quintana out box LTP that's why Floyd jr would be great if he defeat a guy who defeated LTP? See that's the same logic with Marquez, easy... Paulie is much better boxer than Quintana even though Malignaggi talks bs he does have skills but not an elite level. Pac would KO both Quintana and Malignaggi. I would prefer Pac to fight Bradley at 140 but Clottey is a good option too his a sturdy welterweight with tight defense decent skills and before some people even want to see Mosely take Clottey. Hopefully, after this Pac would fight Mosely/Berto winner for unification bout.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:01:13 PM
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SALT lover@Frank Z:
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Yep! Definitelly. Luis Collazo doesn't convince me, though he's a sloid 147lbs fighter, with pretty good boxin', but now's not the time to fight him. It's time to fight a top fighter. Yeah, Sergio Martinez definitely would be good for him, but the Argentinian is comin' after a loss to Paul Williams. Williams would be a great match-up for him, and winner of Mosley-Berto. Let's see what he's got under the sleeve this time, but he MUST fight someone at the top, and it has to be NOW.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:01:52 PM
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Frank Z@oskar:
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i never said that dude, you're putting words into my mouth and then trying to criticize me for what you make up. i was asking you how can you say that paulie's better than quintana for standing longer against cotto but not say quintana's better than paulie when quintana beat LTP and paulie hasn't beaten anyone near that level.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:08:25 PM
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Frank Z@salt:
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before i was convinced that if anyone could beat floyd it was paul williams, now i'm not so sure. i can see floyd countering paul and making him miss most of his shots. paul throws a LOT but a lot of them are fluttering punches. it'd be very interesting. i'd love to see how floyd delas with a guy with thatmuch reach and comes forward aggressively.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:09:40 PM
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SALT lover@FE'ROZ :
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Yeah, I read what he said about Pacquiao-Clottey match up, and I completely disagreed with him when I read it. For the reasons I already gave, but in summary: he says that the fight with Clottey is tougher than Foreman, cuz Clottey's a much physical fighter than Foreman, but in my opinion that suite Pacquiao even better. The fact is that these type of fights bring so much action that people think that they more difficult than a guy with technical and/orslick boxin' skills, and that it not the case with Pacquiao. Clottey's a frontal fighter, yeah he's strong and he's aggrsive and tough, but that's EXACTLY what suits Pacquiao's style of fightin'. And he's got nothin' Pacquiao has been seein' for the past four fights, plus man, Clottey as tought as he is and everythin' is one of those fighters that loses important fights. If he couldn't beat a one-eyed Cotto, he's got nothin' on Pacquiao. Yes, I know and I HAVE ti admit, Teddy Atlas is lightyears ahead of me in this sport, and he knows gigantically a lot more than me, and even before I was born he was already dedicated in this sport, but that's just the way I see it. Clottey's gonna bring the same things Pacquiao's opponent has been bringin' him before. Now: Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0), Tim Bradley, and Yuri Foreman (Even Malignaggi at some extent) would bring somethin' Pacquiao hasn't seen since Juan Manuel Marquez rematch.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:10:57 PM
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SALT lover@Frank Z:
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I hear you, and you're absolutely right. Paul Williams' flurries a lot of times are empty many times. But he's a damn good fighter. Yeah man, it would be interestin' watchin' Floyd pickin' him apart. Floyd can fight taller guys like that, definitely.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:13:12 PM
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MisterLee:
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Floyd elected not to fight Mosley 3 times last year, and he elected not to fight Pacquiao this year, those are his two most lucrative fights. Do you guys honestly think getting by Berto and Clottey (if he does) will cause Floyd to change his mind? Nope. Pacquiao is gonna either fight Mosley after Clottey to unify the welterweight crowns, or go down in weight and fight Bradley to unify the jr. welter crowns. In the mean time Bradley will do his work and probably fight Alexander, or Urango to unify his jr. welter title. Exciting fights... so for me, i think pac will do clottey, mosley, then Bradley, or Clottey, bradley, then mosley. Floyd is outta the picture. Three opportunities to fight Mosley in 2009, one opportunity to fight Pacquiao in 2010, the record says it all. Some fighters fight anyone and everyone, some don't, that's just the tale of the tape. Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:13:48 PM
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*And he's got nothin' Pacquiao has NOT been seein' for the past four fights,
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:14:17 PM
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MisterLee:
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... and for the record,I'd love to see Floyd fight Quintana or Collazo, they would be good tests for Floyd, not necessarily rival material nor huge block busters, but good decent welters with skills. Though I see Floyd going for bigger money with less risk, that's his style. Holler!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:15:43 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Pacquiao is doing Mayweather a favor granting a fight on any terms. There is no other big payday out there for so-called Money May and the stupid coward found every way to crap out of it and kill his best and last opportunity. The fight may still be made. Floyd will examine his options and will find only one conclusion. I hope for a pleasant surprise from my favorite sport.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:30:15 PM
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EM@racist talk:
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Enough! Anyone trafficking in this garbage I DON'T WANT U HERE! Clean it up or leave!
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:30:58 PM
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Robert Curtis:
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Pacquiao is doing Mayweather a favor granting a fight on any terms. There is no other big payday out there for so-called Money May and the stupid coward found every way to crap out of it and kill his best and last opportunity. The fight may still be made. Floyd will examine his options and will find only one conclusion. I hope for a pleasant surprise from my favorite sport.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:31:21 PM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... My point is you would rather criticize Pac for not taking a fight at middle than Floyd jr not fighting guys in his own division when its clearly Manny is not a natural welterweight still you want him to fight at middleweight why not do the same for Floyd jr and criticize him heavily not fighting top opponents at 147 and not pushing fights at 154 or 160. Fight Williams or Pavlik but I guess Quintana, Malignaggi and Mattew would be enough for the self a claimed best fighter in the world at least Manny is taking a tough contender at 147. Yuri doesn't have the defense to keep Pac at bay if only Pac got enough height and reach I would criticize him not taking the fight but he's too small at middleweight.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:32:27 PM
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oskar:
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Frank Z... Watch the fight Cotto/Malignaggi and Cotto/Quinatana you'll see Malignaggi got speed and box better than Quinatana that's the reason why Malignaggi survive the whole 12 rounds. Yah Paul was out box but after the rematch Quinatana was knock out.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:35:00 PM
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FE'ROZ @ Salt:
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I respect your opinion Salt. Atlas is just one man. A smart one....but he's been wrong before. I do think he is right about in his description of Clottey. He is a strong mother. He looked unmarked and ready to run a half marathon after the Cotto fight. I have more questions about his mental discipline and his desire to actually win than I do his physical abilities. He was pounding Cotto's body (I could hear them in the Garden) with triple hooks. His defense has been almost impossible to penetrate. He can take punishment and pressure (Margarito). It should be a really good fight. As for Top Rank under whose banner Clottey and Manny fight, Arum may bolster the card by adding Margarito, another of his boys. I think he is setting up Floyd. Giving all of his fighters a spotlight and getting them all in position to challenge him. Call it the revenge of the scorned.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:35:51 PM
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Just-the-facts :
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Interesting article on examiner(dot)com: "Floyd Mayweather the one using banned substances?"
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:42:01 PM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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I repeat to you: Pacquiao can fight whoever his bosses want him to fight, that's not my problem, now that I care. But don't give me the height excuse when it's OBVIOUSLY dodgin' Foreman cuz of styles that will put Pacquiao's winnin' streak in danger, and not the so-called height, and then comeback and pretend that Clottey would be more dangerous than Foreman, cuz in terms of styles he ain't. That's what I'm talkin' about. I don't care whom Pacquiao wants to fight next. It's what people and him say about it. And please, 1/2 inch keeps you from criticizin' Pacquiao, PLEASE, man. De la Hoya's 5 foot 10 and half, and Foreman is 5 foot 11 and Pacquiao can't fight him cuz of height?! Yeah, rightttttt....... Please, that's obviously avoidin' Foreman's technical stuff he brings. And I disgree with you about Foreman not having the defense to Pacquiao's offensive. And about Floyd, like I said already tons of times, and still seems like his critics don't read me: If Floyd fights either Malignaggi, or Matthew Hatton (Quintana was probably mentioned by Frank Z, but he ain't in Floyd's plans) I will definitely criticize that. Those are not opponents I would agree with him to fight. I've been repeatin' this all day today, man.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:47:20 PM
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Frank Z@oskar:
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he got knocked out cuase paul caught him admist a flurry, not cuase of anything different paul did, before that quintana was still catching paul. i also remember paulie having a swollen cheek and being barely able to talk after that fight. also, the more recent version of paulie looked terrible against diaz. he outclassed diaz both times but he never commits to his punches does not finish and throws wide with his chin high and hands low.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:49:24 PM
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I hear you, man. But even if Atlas' been wrong before, still he knows A LOT more boxin' than me, so my position is to sit bac and listen to him even though I have a different view than him. And Clottey, well, if he couldn't beat a handicapped Cotto I just can't see him beatin' Pacquiao. But we'll see how it plays it out.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:50:13 PM
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but Im not saying Floyd jr should fight Maliggnagi, Im just saying he should fight top opponents why not Paul or Pavlik he does have the height and reach or may be Cotto, he is still one of the top welterweight around better than Quintana.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:52:28 PM
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SALT lover@Just-the-facts:
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XD!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, yeah right. What a shocker. That website's ALWAYS on Floyd's case. There's a clown writer called Michael Marley or somethin', that's always writin' somethin' against Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0). That clown can't sleep without dreamin' seein' Floyd defeated. Besides the subject of that article is about the substances that Floyd uses on so he doesn't get his hands hurt. What a lame a$$ response. Man, that is so old, that appeared even on HBO before the first Jose Luis Castillo fight.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:56:51 PM
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Frank Z@salt:
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on the one hand clottey's perfect for manny, since he'll jus tstand there with his guard up a lot of the time, on the other hand he's a nightmare. he can flurry with his triple hooks and uppercuts on the inside, and he can dance a little and counterpunch. he'll also have a height and reach advantage on manny, and will not get caught clean much like cotto. he's also very relaxed when he's taking those shots, it's especially memorable for me when cotto fluirried on clottey's gloves against the ropes and clottey just walked back at himi and shook his head. looked bad to the judges but cotto did nothing to clottey most of that fight. he couldnm't beat cotto on points cause cotto threw the more eye catching punches, got the knockdown in a round clottey was winning, and clottey is not a good pursuer. he won'nt need to pursue against manny, though i can see clottey giving up points by getting caught off balance by manny. he lifts his chin and tilts is weight awkwardly to the left when he jumps in with a hook or a jab. i'm sure roach will see that and have manny time that with a lead right hook or a hard left.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 11:58:52 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Mister Lee:
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I see a chess game being played here between Arum and Golden Boy. The moment Scahefer and Arum went at it the fight was derailed. Arum put GBP in a position to either support Manny or risk....and probably lose....all future percentages of his action. Arum knew he was holding not only the better hand but the Ace, Manny. His obligation was to give his fighter options. And options he delivered. Not only has he done so but he may have 'checked' Floyd. Floyd has refused Shane publicly. Now he can make the 'public's' fight by fighting him. And there are no obstacles. Golden Boy holds both contracts. The only thing they need to do is make Shane take the same tests they blocked him from taking when Judah demanded them. That is, of course, if Shane beats Berto. And if Floyd will take that fight. One last thing. Shane will be 40 years old. You either fight him now.... or it gets progressively meaningless. I have nothing but respect for Shane... but that's just a fact.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:00:18 AM
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SALT lover... Would be ok to you if Pac fough Yuri at 147? De la hoya aks Manny at 147 but if its at 154 that would be too much. If you think you think Yuri got great skills well good for you.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:05:05 AM
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Frank Z@ Fe'Roz:
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yeah i think it's too easy to assign blame to the fighters here, as it usually is. arum's been saying for weeks that floyd's just a scared coward, and gbp has been saying without saying that manny's a doper. gbp's mosley hypocrisy disappoints me cause they were supposed to be the new thing in boxing, with all fighters as the big figures, i was hoping they'd replace arum and king soon who are gettin gup there with age, but i don't think much is gonna change there.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:05:21 AM
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Yeah, that's a pretty solid way to break it down. Absolutely Clottey's relax when he's under fire and everythin'. I agree perhaps that the fight will got a decision iin favor of Pacquiao. I already wrote it, at some point he'll just fight for the sake of not gettin' KO'ed, nor stopped. I agree with you, that he has certain things that are added to his arsenal like his triple left hook and all, but he's just a frontal type of fighter, and Pacquiao will also be able to spin aroun' him lookin' for better angles to land hard shots. FE'ROZ also mentions somethin' important, and that's his mental state. With Cotto, for some reason, he didn't put enough pressure at the end to win the fight, and when aksed about that he responded about Cotto's offensive. There's no doubt Pacquiao's offensive will make him shy also. But I still think Pacquiao can definitely stop Clottey; the dude doesn't have anythin' except his strong arms that can stand to Pacquiao's punches.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:06:10 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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I thought it was the HEIGHT Pacquiao said that supposedly is "too much", not the WEIGHT. Why you bring that up???.....I don't understand.....
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:07:55 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Frank Z:
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Good assessment but I differ a bit. Manny watched that fight from Row Two. He knows what he saw. I believe he and Roach have a pretty good idea they can beat Clottey, whose tendency to stand in the pocket and Not throw is as great or greater than his inclination to let his hands go. But make no mistake. He can throw with malice. And fast. Cotto got cut on a bad butt ... but Clottey continued that beating all night. Until he stopped. There is a bit of ODLH in Clottey when he enters the final four rounds. He stops doing what he started. He can't stop against Manny. Because Manny won't. One last note. I was sitting with Cotto's old friends from Caguas watching when Manny entered the Garden. Even they stood up to clap. But when I asked if they believed he was there to fight Miguel, they said no way. Dismissively. Miguel is just to big and strong. The rest, as they say, is history.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:08:22 AM
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oskar:
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Frank Z... Quintana out work Paul on the first fight and being a southpaw got some advantage maybe he caught Paul by a surprise, would you still think Quintana can defeat Paul this time if they faced for the 3rd time?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:10:05 AM
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Frank Z@oskar:
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yep, cause paul has shown hecan be exposed against slick southpaws.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:11:03 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Salt:
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Now we're talkin' boxing brother. I agree absolutely. Clottey's arms are like steel-plates. Like motorized personnel-carrier armor. If he uses them offensively, he will hurt Manny. But Manny likes fighting, so let's bring it.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:16:27 AM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... "Have you read my previous post"? Boxing skills doesn't make you the best nor will make you unbeatable it could only take one punch to win a fight. Yuri is an average boxer making his boxing skills superior and enough to upset Pac is laughable. Yuri is just tall got average skill and his foot speed can complicate Pac. If Yuri started to run Pac wouldn't be able to reach him due to height and reach disparity plus "the weight" it's too much for a former fly weight... Maybe Floyd jr would fight Yuri but I guess he would have to ask for an olympic drug test he want to change the policy and clean the sport... right? I guess if boxing accepted that NBA, NFL and others should follow too.
Saturday Jan 9, 2010 07:21:41 PM
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:16:58 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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AND AGAIN with that nonsense comment! That thing you wrote doesn't prove, nor say anythin'. The height stuff is complete BS by Pacquiao, OF COURSE he can reach Foreman's face! You keep recyclin' your comments cuz you don't have any point.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:23:04 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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And please don't ever write: "Boxing skills doesn't make you the best"...... that's one of the most RIDICULOUS things I've read in this site by Pacquiao defenders.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:24:27 AM
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Frank Z@ Fe'Roz:
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yeah i always favored manny to beat cotto when the fight was made, cause cotto has trouble with guys who throw in combo. mosley forgot this for some reason so he blew the fight against cotto. i think margarito woul dhave outpointed cotto even without the bricks, and clottey had in him a world of hurt when he put his shots togehter. he lost the fight instead of cotto winning. the only question mark i had in that fight was could manny take a hard cotto shot, but i dind't have much doubt of that cause manny stays so conditioned.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:25:43 AM
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Fe'Roz :
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Now, let's talk about who Floyd IS going to fight. GBP is claiming they are going to fight on March 13th regardless. At the moment, Floyd's opponents under discussion are Hatton and Malignaggi.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:26:35 AM
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Frank Z@ salt:
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yeah clottey's arms are like a shield, but i wonder how that would hold up against 12 rounds of manny flurries. the one thing i seriously underestimated of manny before the hatton fight was his punching power. he was monstrous at 126 and 130 but i figured it'd be only above average at welter. when roach says he's punching like a middleweight, i believe him. he's gonna have to show head movement and shoulder movement to play proper defense against manny. clottey will have to cut off the ring and continuously force the fight to close range, doesn't matter if it's against the ropes, the thing is i don't think that will happen, cuase he couldn't do it against cotto, dealing with manny's in and out movement could be the end for clottey, and i see him losing a pretty wide decision, with his tight guard and strong chin saving him from getting stopped.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:30:28 AM
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Oh man, I've wrote about that plenty of times today, Hehehehehe. Matthew Hatton sounds a lot more, and I have to say that would be a lame move to do, and Malignaggi too. If Floyd fights either of them, I have to say, for the first time, I'll join momentarily the Mayweather critics. If it's True that is March 13th the date to fight, then Mosley-Berto winner is not an option, nor Paul Williams. I hope that ain't True. A summer fight with the Mosley-Berto winner is more comfortin', and Floyd really needs it.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:31:09 AM
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SALT lover@Frank Z:
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Yep! 100% agree with you, dude. I also see the fight goin' pretty much that way, but I wouldn't be surprise if the KO comes sooner or later.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:32:39 AM
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pac-chicken:
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I find it funny that Manny is scared of a prick of a needle and loses more blood in a fight than who would giving it..what a puzzy
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:37:25 AM
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Frank Z@ pac-chicken:
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the grownups are talking... shhhh.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:37:57 AM
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MisterLee:
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Wow! I'm not in this convo! The nut cases have "blacklisted" me fo' sure! That's what you get when you're too good for them! So tell me about the "catchweight prince" mayweather and his one and only catchweight fight at 144 (which he didn't make). Tell me more about Floyd's 2010 line up. Holler! The focus is all on Manny (the guy who ko'd barrera, morales, o de la hoya, hatton, cotto etc.) and not Floyd (the guy who beat judah, baldomir, mitchell, hatton, and de la hoya). What's next for the "greatest" welterweight (you know, the guy ranked #3 for beating a lightweight). Sharper than a swiss army knife!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:43:58 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Frank Z:
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You know through all of the BS that has been flying these past weeks, few have talked about or emphasized the insane training regimen Manny is known to maintain. Arum, who reps bith men, said that the difference between Manny's camp and Cotto's was beyond anything he has seen. His training, conditioning and work ethic is and has been the foundation of his success. As for being able to take a punch, not only can he; he likes it. Just like Clottey shoke his head, Manny claps his damn gloves together. Both make me smile with their quiet confidence.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:44:28 AM
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Fe'Roz @ Frank Z:
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Your a funny mo' fo' Frank. That one liner will be TSS lore.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:46:15 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Mister Lee:
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I'm with you Caveman. No one but Salt has even remotely spoken since you asked.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:47:40 AM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... I repost my comment because you said something about the height and not the weight. If you think Yuri is great well good for you... Pac does spar with a middleweight so I guess he does know where his limit is…
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:52:29 AM
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Didn't Freddie say he doesn't know what steroids are? Read more information on rightcrossentertainment(dot)kom Check out this quote: "The Ruiz fight, Janes was coming off an injury and we didn't have enough time for it to completely heal. He wasn't at one-hundred percent. The steroids didn't seem to affect him at all, we didn't even know it was still in his system for that fight. James was himself in the Ruiz fight. His boxing ability won him the fight" - Freddie Roach
Toney was stripped of his title and Ruiz filed a law-suit against Toney for taking steroids against him. Freddie Roach was his trainer...
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:10:32 AM
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Frank Z@ :
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huh? was there a noise?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:11:41 AM
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MisterLee:
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Wow! The Blank, either it's kounted out, eastar, or #1 floyd fan (leroy peters), I'll bet my TSS handle on that! @ Fe'roz. I enjoy your objectivity, I don't always agree with you, but you always make sense, and even when you swing on both sides, you find your way to the truth by exploring all angles. I'm a bit of a biased guy, meaning I pick my truth and I stay with it, but I respect both sides/angles. Thanks!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:13:11 AM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... Try to watch Pac vs Chatchai Sasakul... Pac doesn't have anything but his left hand. All rounds were scored to Chatchai Sasakul until Pac land that one punch to win the fight.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:25:10 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Mister Lee:
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It drives my wife crazy. She never knows where or which side I'm taking. When we met she thought I was sensitive on every issue. When I criticized bad (Clinton) policy, she said I was a 'bad liberal'. For me, there is too much in the middle too limit myself to black and white. But I admire you're conviction. You'll eat more crow....but you'll savor your victories
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:27:01 AM
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FE'ROZ :
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BadLeftHook has a lead article on Floyd's options
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:28:02 AM
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MisterLee:
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@ Fe'roz! Yo dude! BLH used to be my 2nd home. I used to post there almost everyday under "cylee1180" with every post ending in "Andre Ward 2009!" Shortly before the Edison Miranda fight, I was having issues with Scott Christ and Brickhaus over their constant Ward hating (they kept saying Miranda would leave Ward between the ropes, that this kid named Nick Diaz, MMA guy, supposedly knocked out Ward in sparring) and just antagonizing me for loving Ward. I wrote a long fan post about Ward, and included some download links to his fights, and Scott was all up about how boring Henry Buchanan fight was (of course b/c Henry was running, not b/c Ward wasn't pushing the fight). Then we had couple more run ins with the Andre Ward issue, as if they had a problem with ME liking Ward and Scott has a way of letting fans know if they don't agree with his views (which are usually right) they he'd either ban you or give you $hit about it , so I quit shortly before the Miranda fight. Swore I'd never visit the site again. It's a great site, has nice inside information, updated often, and has poignant views, but too much crap with SC and Brickhaus drove me off. Brickhaus had a well intentioned article comparing Ward and Dirrell back in February or March of 2009, giving Dirrell the "obvious" advantages, but now we know. But if ya don't cross'em , that place is a great site. Holler!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:45:17 AM
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How's Facing ali? I'm watching it... giving me good schooling on heavyweights.... ron lyle, earnie shavers, earnie tirrell etc...maybe i'll learn some history after all! Also nice to see is how nice these guys are out of the ring. There's this tendency to monsterize anyone who's up agst Ali, but they all seem to be pretty decent human beings. Nice to see that side. Esp. Ron Lyle, he really looked like a monster agst Foreman. Holler!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:48:32 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Mister Lee:
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Im just downloading it now. I never post at BLH but I think they do write well and edit hard. I'm not interested in the writer's opinion any more or less than you or our best readers here,. I like this format best. especially when EM, our Arthur Mercante, referees the knuckleheads.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:55:07 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Mister Lee:
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If I remember well, Lyle had survived being stabbed in the back in prison .... and then fought Foreman. Tough hombre
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:56:33 AM
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MisterLee @ Pharaoh:
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He claims he outboxed or outpointed ali for 11 rounds, then got an early stoppage in favor of ali after a rally. These guys looked pretty nimble for big guys, even when old, i mean looking at today's hevyweight divisoin, they MOVE like they're heavy, back then, they just looked like Giant Welterweights. I like the variety of this site, F-lo and Borges and Kimball are as different as night and day. Holler!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:05:04 AM
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FE'ROZ @ Mister Lee:
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That's one reason I laugh when Floyd is compared to Ali. Ali was a heavyweight who moved liked today's welters. At 190 to 210 he could float, adjust faster and fight better than anyone.... at any weight. He was a lodestar. Everyone that followed was simply an admirer and/or an impostor. Lyle, Norton, Frazier and Foreman. Absolute athletic Monsters
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:01:23 AM
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If flloyd's hands can't hold up, he should retire..that IS cheating. Inject my hands i'l knockout someone and I can't fight. Foc n unreal!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 06:30:47 AM
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DRMULLEN:
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would floyd fight Manny without his shots?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 06:34:19 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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I never said Foreman was "great". When did I said that? And I'm not a fan of Foreman? I'll Im sayin' (For the UPTEEN time) that his bosses are cherrypickin' fighters with styles that suit him, and avoided TECHNICALLY soilid fighter with skills. I'm not saying Foreman is great, nor that I like him.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 08:23:03 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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And about Pacquiao vs Chatchai Sasakul, if Pacquiao won, well good for him. Lucky stuff like that happens sometimes.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 08:25:11 AM
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SALT lover:
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*And I'm not a fan of Foreman.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 08:26:47 AM
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crottyruh:
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I still hope that Manny-Floyd will still happen. But wait, what is this Xylocaine thing? Is this real? I mean a drug that can make the hands numb and banned by 49 states but not in Nevada? I know "big" posters here won't pay any attention to me but...... would Salt, kountedout, and inside information care to comment?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 09:25:39 AM
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oskar:
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Well that one punch thing is true, right? One punch can change a fight no matter how good an opponent still he can get caught. Ok Foreman is not great but his style is...
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 09:25:59 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen everytime. And I never said Foreman is great. All I said was that his style is one that would complicate things for Pacquiao, and can even defeat him. That's all.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 09:45:27 AM
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Frank Z@ oskar:
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they call it a puncher's chance for a reason, and manny had the punch back then but not the skill. what if it had been the other 90% of the time and that punch hadn't gotten through? would we have even heard of pacquiao today?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 09:54:00 AM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... Yeah maybe Yuri style can complicate things for Pacquiao but height, reach and the weight.... Pac doesn't even weigh 154 on fight night surely those physical attributes is much more harder to overcome. Pac can't grow his arm and legs but team Pac can come up a strategy to win against the style of Yuri the way team Pac prepares from every fight they can find a way if its just the style. Pac I think is the only fighter who can throw that punch thing more often done normal because of his footwork, his angles, his speed, his power plus being a southpaw gives him that advantage to throw that kind of punch he can even throw punch without looking his opponent.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:04:51 AM
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oskar:
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Frank Z... Its a punchers chance, true but Pacman did keep improving his game and now he can throw shots like that more often than normal.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:08:25 AM
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SALT lover@oskar:
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You're talkin as if Foreman was 6' 2", 6' 3" or something. If Pacquiao could TKO'ed De la Hoya, and De la Hoya's face was all bruised up, he can definitely hit Foreman's face. That height stuff was a BS excuse. The weight issue would've been better, but they didn't say anythin' about the weight, and Roach already said weeks ago he was interested in his boy gettin' his Title at 154lbs, so it's obvious that weight is no problem for Pacquiao at 154lbs. And no, I completely disagree that Pacquiao can figure out Foreman's style of fightin', and that's the point of this whole discussion. If he did, they would've fought Foreman who's a World Champion in his 8th Division, rather than a Clottey that don't give Pacquiao nothin he's already has, besides money, and nothin' we've already seen. And it's not just Foreman, it's Bradley, Mosley, any fighter that can counter-punch and focus on outboxin' Pacquiao rather than KO him would complicate and even beat Pacquiao. Those are the fighter his bosses are avoidin' for him. And don't talk about Pacquiao's foot-work. That dude doesn't like to move at all.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:19:42 AM
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Frank Z@salt:
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i agree with that for the most part, although don't overlook pac's footwork. he can run off combos reset and do it again cause he chops his feet well with his punches, slides to the side and does it again. altough it is true he doesn't have defensive footwork that can pivot and evade rushes or cut off the ring. it's why i really wish mayweather to just go ahead and fight pac, cause he can turn pac all day with his foot movement.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:34:16 AM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... Pacman stated after the fight with Cotto that 147 is his last stop 154 is too much for him so guys fighting at 154 is a no no. Well Roach maybe want to push Manny up to his limits at least they're considering it. De la hoya is a draw that time if Foreman can provide enough $$$ maybe they'll think it twice.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:37:16 AM
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SALT lover@Oskar:
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OK, so if the money is brought suddenly Foreman ain't so tall after all? XD!!!!!!!!!! Man, you just support Pacquiao no matter what the choices he makes. You idolize him so much, in your eyes he's perfect no matter what he does, or says, well what's to expect from you? Fine then.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:42:08 AM
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oskar:
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SALT lover... I guess Roach had seen something with Yuri to say that Pac can fight him. Well Roach does have a good eye in looking bad habits they can exploit.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:43:06 AM
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SALT lover@Frank Z:
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EXACTLY! I'm not sayin' Pacquiao ain't capable of executin' great foot-work, he has the speed and strength in his legs, but one can disregard it since he doesn't like movin' aroun' the ring AT ALL. I also held foot-work as part of the advantages Floyd had over Pacquiao, but in that case it'll be psychological. Pacquiao was gonna get frustrated and start tellin' Floyd to stop and trade shots, which Floyd obviously was not gonna do. Clottey's perfect for Pacquiao in that sense since he's only goes one way: FRONTAL. That's why Clottey's a better suited opponent for Pacquiao than Yuri Foreman who moves pretty well in the ring. It's all about lookin' for styles that suit him.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:46:37 AM
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oskar:
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Mayweathers is good in attacking guys on the personal level. Well most of his fans got that same behavior, now I understand why his fans loves him so much.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:47:30 AM
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Didn't Freddie say he doesn't know what steroids are? Read more information on rightcrossentertainment(dot)kom Check out this quote: "The Ruiz fight, James was coming off an injury and we didn't have enough time for it to completely heal. He wasn't at one-hundred percent. The steroids didn't seem to affect him at all, we didn't even know it was still in his system for that fight. James was himself in the Ruiz fight. His boxing ability won him the fight" - Freddie Roach Toney was stripped of his title and Ruiz filed a law-suit against Toney for taking steroids against him. Freddie Roach was his trainer...
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:54:48 AM
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Frank Z@oskar:
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you pac fanatics need to chill and realize he's just another boxer playing the game and trying to get the most money for his fights now that he's at the pinnacle of his career. just cause he smiles a lot and sings karaoke and doens't talk trash doesn't mean he doesn't love his money without the risk of getting knocked out as well. also, if pac was so fixed on staying at 147 then why was bob arum talking forever about meeting yuri foreman? pac wouldn't weigh 154 for that fight anyway, floyd only weighed 150 against oscar, and pac only weighed 142 against oscar. it's n ot like he's required to blow up in weight as he moves up divisions, just the other guy will be bigger. how are you gonna ignore that roach himself said that foreman's too risky because of his height advantage? roach openly admits to taking care of and protecting his fighters, which is noble cause nobody wants to come out of boxing with injuries or anything chronic, but you can't deny that pacquiao's team is also tryign to match up with guys to make himself look good. oh and don't try to cite his wars with morales and barrera and marquez, that was before pacquiao was a star to the mainstream. floyd has his share of wars before his de la hoya fight also, it's just the way the game is. the guys at the top take the least risks.... when you're already fed you're not gonna be hungry anymore, de la hoya took the fight with floyd because he knew floyd didn't have the power or style to hurt him, he already had L's on his record anyway, so he didn't care about that plus floyd was p4p nubmer 1 then so there's no shame, plus he got 50 million out of it.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 10:59:31 AM
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I love Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0) as a fighter cuz of his style and cuz he's been a P4P fighter since the 90's, not cuz of his attacks on other people. Juan Manuel Marquez is also one of my damn favorite fighters and he doesn't attack nobody. I'm not a FANATIC like a lot are with Pacquiao.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 11:01:02 AM
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Frank Z... Why not criticize Floyd jr to take Yuri? If he is so great? but I think Mattew Hatton would be enough for the self acclaimed best fighter just like what he said legacy doesn't pay the bills. Arum and Roach said Foreman not Manny if what I heard is right Pac said 147 is his last stop maybe I heard wrong or he didn't say that at the end of MP/MC fight.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 11:10:25 AM
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The Question has been out there since Mister Lee asked. Only one man stepped up and gave a solid answer. Salt Lover. So, I ask again, who do you think Floyd should....and more importantly...will fight.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:35:05 PM
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Frank Z@ oskar:
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i already said that matthew hatton would be a bad joke. pacquiao always says: talk to my promoter, i just fight. so they're speaking as pacquiao's mouthpiece. why not criticize floyd to take yuri? seriously? none of us ever said yuri was great, we just said that yuri is considered too dangerous for pacquiao by his team, which is the entire point, that a fighter who's not elite is avoided by pac's team. what are you even talking about dude?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:44:02 PM
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Frank Z@ Fe\'Roz:
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who should he fight is easy, paul williams or berto-mosley winner. who will he fight? who knows at this point, as much as floyd talks he's really secretive. until he's forced by the public to it wouldn't surprise me if he took on a big name who's not a real threat, though at this point i dunno who's left. he may fight tim bradley, i'd liek to see that too.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:48:22 PM
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Steve the hater @cacaroach:
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Cacaroach is saying that Floyd might fight Malignagi and not Berto or Mosley ,so why Pacman doesnot fight the winner of Mosley Berto ?pacman fights only guys he can beat....why Joshua Clothey?he hasn't look good on his last fights ...what about Bradley ...but no he cherry pick his fighters just like FLoyd ..
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:57:32 PM
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You guys must really be bored over there in the States. Sunday morning on the West Coast and noonish in Central Time USA and early afternoon on the East Coast, and you guys are in this Universe rhetorically punching away. I hope your arses went to early morning church services, or that you are sitting in church using those blackberries. Any way, I guess that if you are Jewish or Muslim, you went to your services on Saturday and Friday. This copy caused fire in the Universe, I see. Wow! Some people are too serious and literal. Pasalamat Kay Dios that I never feed my bad behavior, starving it from mischeviousness. But the jivy, funny, joking-up-in-your-arse behavior, I feed it PHAT! That way I'm not stressed out EVER! I see that some of you dudes went straight stressy-messy crazy with that weak racism and bluffing to fight each other. And most of you cannot even crush a jelly bean, lmfao! You dudes been CAT fighting up in heeerrrrrreeee like an orgy of bimbos in a pool of mud. Funny as heck! This Universe never fail to amaze me. Put scary cats and mean cats behind those blackberries and they go wilding and childing (if childing is a word). In real like, I bet you guys settle these issues by touch-shoulders circling one another and saying, "Whacha gonna do?" I remember when I was a kid seeing that for the first time. I was a four-year-old -- barely understood English -- looking out the window of the house of the great, late, superbad Archie "The Old Mongoose" Moore. I asked his son Billy, "What type of ceremony are the AmerKano big kids doing in the street?" "They are pretending like they wanna fight one another," he said. "They are not going to do any thing but lean shoulder to shoulder and circle around one another until they get dizzy and then go home." Wow! Billy was SPOT ON! I thought this was the dumbest waste of time ever. A bit later. I wandered outside in the front yard, and out of nowhere two kids about five and six years old came over. They asked me my name. I told them, then they started squabbling if I were a Mexican, or a Korean or a Filipino. Visiting from the Philippines, I was thinking why don't these fools just ask what I am. Any way, they started that shoulder circling jive. Archie and Billy came out and ask them if they wanted to box. Moving forward, I bet that they don't even remember this event. Years later, as professional boxers, one beat ex-champ Antonio Margarito and the other became San Diego's (California) first and only native-born title-belt holder. Some of you guys know exactly who I am posting of. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:58:12 PM
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Radam G -- never fails to be amazed by the _____ __ ___:
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You guys must really be bored over there in the States. Sunday morning on the West Coast and noonish in Central Time USA and early afternoon on the East Coast, and you guys are in this Universe rhetorically punching away. I hope your arses went to early morning church services, or that you are sitting in church using those blackberries. Any way, I guess that if you are Jewish or Muslim, you went to your services on Saturday and Friday. This copy caused fire in the Universe, I see. Wow! Some people are too serious and literal. Pasalamat Kay Dios that I never feed my bad behavior, starving it from mischeviousness. But the jivy, funny, joking-up-in-your-arse behavior, I feed it PHAT! That way I'm not stressed out EVER! I see that some of you dudes went straight stressy-messy crazy with that weak racism and bluffing to fight each other. And most of you cannot even crush a jelly bean, lmfao! You dudes been CAT fighting up in heeerrrrrreeee like an orgy of bimbos in a pool of mud. Funny as heck! This Universe never fail to amaze me. Put scary cats and mean cats behind those blackberries and they go wilding and childing (if childing is a word). In real like, I bet you guys settle these issues by touch-shoulders circling one another and saying, "Whacha gonna do?" I remember when I was a kid seeing that for the first time. I was a four-year-old -- barely understood English -- looking out the window of the house of the great, late, superbad Archie "The Old Mongoose" Moore. I asked his son Billy, "What type of ceremony are the AmerKano big kids doing in the street?" "They are pretending like they wanna fight one another," he said. "They are not going to do any thing but lean shoulder to shoulder and circle around one another until they get dizzy and then go home." Wow! Billy was SPOT ON! I thought this was the dumbest waste of time ever. A bit later. I wandered outside in the front yard, and out of nowhere two kids about five and six years old came over. They asked me my name. I told them, then they started squabbling if I were a Mexican, or a Korean or a Filipino. Visiting from the Philippines, I was thinking why don't these fools just ask what I am. Any way, they started that shoulder circling jive. Archie and Billy came out and ask them if they wanted to box. Moving forward, I bet that they don't even remember this event. Years later, as professional boxers, one beat ex-champ Antonio Margarito and the other became San Diego's (California) first and only native-born title-belt holder. Some of you guys know exactly who I am posting of. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 12:58:13 PM
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Radam G -- >>>____ moving on or on the move:
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I think that Money May should fight Cory Spinks next. Especially since Lil' Floyd wanted to fight Manny at 154. A Mayweather-Spinks Bout would be funny as heck. Because Cory would upset Money May just as Michael Spinks did Larry Holmes. That Spinks Jinx is known to end ducking boxers' goose eggs. Money May is primed for defeat -- book, hook or cook! Why not let another Spinks do it. Bring it on, BAABBBEEEEE! Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:08:25 PM
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Radam G -- hmmm! :
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Now, that I REMEMBER the Spink Jinx pulled one on Irish GOAT Ali back in the day. Lil' Floyd was two years old then. And since Money May believes that he is better than GOAT Ali, it is only a given that Money-very-short May should tangle with Cory Spinks. The Irish GOAT Ali could not get pass the Spinks Jinx the first time. Larry Holmes could not get pass the Spinks Jinx thice -- he got pass Leon, but not Michael. I have doubts that Lil' Floyd can handle the Spinks Jinx. The Spinks Jinx is calling Moneyless May. And he oughta holla. He needs the moola. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:26:30 PM
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Jason:
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Who should Floyd Mayweather fight? Easy. Manny Pacquiao. And now that that's out, the winner of Mosley-Berto. That won't happen, so he should instead challenge Kelly Pavlik for the prestigious middleweight title (and follow in the footsteps of the all time greats who have ascended the ranks from welter to middle, etc, like Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, Hearns, Duran, et al; the point is IT IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED). Of course, that won't happen, so it should be Antonio Margarito, assuming he's reinstated. That won't happen, so it should be Miguel Cotto, Luis Collazo, or any top-10 weltwerweight. That won't happen, as he'll be looking for a smaller guy, so Timothy Bradley. But Bradley is dangerous, despite not having vast experience, and he's unknown to the mainstream, so that won't happen. My guess is we'll see Mayweather versus light welterweight Paulie Malignaggi at 147 in March. And I won't be watching, that much I know for sure.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:43:07 PM
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Jason:
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Radam G's suggestion of Cory Spinks would be acceptable to me (although that would be a BOOOOOORING "fight"), but I think Mayweather would deem him far too dangerous. Even though he's feather-fisted, he's a bigger man and that would nullify his feather-fistedness, to a degree. And he's a crafty southpaw. But can you imagine that fight. Would anyone ever attempt a punch??
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 01:49:11 PM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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Yeah, the things you've said make sense, though the Top 10 Welterweights, it can't be said that it won't happen just yet. Floyd can come up with a surprise. I really wish not, but it appears that Matthew Hatton's the next opponent for Floyd. If that's True, damn man, that's lame and that SUCKS!!!!!!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:03:27 PM
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Jason:
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I hear you SALT, Matthew Hatton would be inexcusible. I think Floyd has amazing skills and, like you, want to see him test those skills against a worthy guy. And this may sound ridiculous, but I'll say it: I think he could outbox, outfox, and frustrate Kelly Pavlik and win a decision. It's really his only win/win fight at this point. After all, if he loses, he lost to a bigger man. It would be a PPV blockbuster, it would quell all the naysayers (like myself) who accuse him of avoiding real fighters, he'd make a cool 8 figures (deep in that territory), and if he wins, his legacy would be sealed (and even if he were to lose, if he looked good in the process, really came to fight, brought it, his status would be elevate in defeat). I just don't get the guy at all. Hell, he was allegedly willing to fight Winky Wright once upon a time.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:16:27 PM
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Scareweather next opponent will be either against calderon or Erik morales...yep...Erik morales...the reason?...because scareweather wants to show manny and the world that he will do a better job than what pacquiao did...but those are the rumors going around right now...BTW...J E T S jets jets jets!!!...holla back!!!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:24:10 PM
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SALT lover@Jason:
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Yeah, that's when after he beat Sharmba Mitchell that he mentioned Winky Wright, and couple of times. Yeah, somethin's really up with that guy. Kelly Pavlik vs Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0) sounds terrific too, though Pavlik has a business to deal with Paul Williams, Hehehehehehe. But anyways, if Floyd fights in March 13th, same date Pacquiao will most likely fight Clottey, then he's gonna fight against a dangerous top Welterweight, but instead an easy fight in the likes of club fighters like M. Hatton, to set himself up against Pacquiao. Well, what do you think? If that's how it is played out, we're gonna have to wait months more to see him against a top fighter. But thet Pavlik idea you give, hell yes, that would be a delicious buffet for us.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:26:00 PM
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Jason @ SALT:
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I think it's a dangerous game for Floyd to wait, because Pacquiao could very well lose against the tough Clottey and all the shine and all that cash goes out the window (sure, the fight could still happen, in that same mold that Tyson and Lewis fought after Lewis lost to Rahman and Floyd and Judah fought after Judah lost to Baldomir, but it would lose much of its luster). They should fight NOW and strike while the iron is hot.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:47:58 PM
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MisterLee:
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Manny shouldn't be accused of ducking anyone. Can't Marquez be considered a FHOF'er and a greater fighte than Foreman? Than why is FOreman thrown around like he's a real threat when Marquez is technically a greater threat, it's just that Marquez is more Manny's size and would make for a more even fight, there's only so much weight you canmove up on, just like Manny steward said in the mayweather marquez fight: "That's why they have weight classes." And for the record, Floyd had a 154 lb. strap, and vouched to fight a jr. welterweight after instead of defending his 154 lb. strap, and for the record, I believetruly that Sergio Martinez could beat Floyd's (_l_) any day of the year! Holler!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 02:54:32 PM
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Jason:
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MIsterLee, you're right, Pacquiao has no obligation to continue to move up in weight. It's absurd that anyone even suggests he's ducking Foreman (love him or hate him, the one thing that Pacquiao can never be accused of is cowardice and an unwillingness to test new waters). But you raised a GREAT point that I had forgotten. Floyd held a 154-pound alphabet strap, which lends even MORE credibility to his going up 6 pounds and challenging Pavlik. KP has no contract to fight Williams right now (his next fight/opponent/date is not yet set).
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:03:19 PM
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MisterLee:
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Come on guys... Sergio Martinez just beat the most feared man in boxing. He gave him a boxing lesson and a headbutting-the-left-fist lesson, I feel Martinez can beat anyone from 147-160... this includes mosley, mayweather, pacquio (if he so chooses),clottey, cintron (again), margarito, angulo, kirkland, pavlik, miranda, abraham, JT, winky wright... and he would beat most of them EASY. I would put Sergio Martinez as number 2 or number 3 p4p fighter in the world now. Anyone agree? Holler!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:10:25 PM
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Radam G - always bringing the reality and actuality:
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I'm taking heavy bets that Money-short May will lost in 2010 by book, hook or crook. Pops Joy May has done a bad service to his little seed. Their are some very blind boxing judges out there just waiting for Lil Floyd to enter that squared jungle. He will never come out of it undefeated. Money-short May is no longer an asset, but a liability. His bling, bling! Is no long sparkling. GBP and it leader of the "New Manifest Destiny" is going to dump Lil' Floyd like doing number two on the toilet stool. The smell is terrible! Floydfans -- and I'm one of them, though gounded in reality and hurt bitnezz sense -- Lil' Floyd is in trouble, and trouble comes double. He ain't on the space hubble, so the powers that can are to burst like a tiny little bubble. If you think that the people who run the BIG Business of boxing is not gunning for a Mayweather's get rip off or whupping on, I want to sell you that land that I just bought on Venus from the greatest boxing promoter crook of all times Howard Smith, amongst his other aliases. Certain things and certain people, you don't mess with in this get-your-arse-cruched game. Family Mayweather crossed the line ______ _______. They are going to get fudged up --and I will always call a space a space -- and "beat and whipped like runaways slaves," in the words of Pops Joy May and Uncle Roger. Happy days are gone for Family Mayweather. They are going to catch the leather. The sky is GRAY. And they are going to PAY. Boxing-promoting-it-your-way is gone for Money Floyd Mayweather. He can only rise and lay, like at the command of the wind blowing around a feather. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:24:21 PM
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Radam G - correcting that boo-boo:
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*so the powers that can are going to burst him like a tiny little bubble...When are some new copy coming up in this Universe?
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:33:08 PM
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MisterLee:
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"dump like number 2"... nice!!!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:35:31 PM
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Radam G -- somebody oughta be scooping:
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NEWFLASH: And I hope that the sharp-eyed TSS fightwriters handle their biz about. Money May and GBP rejected fighting in Texas because Money May has been using an illegal drug -- Xylocaine, which is proven to enhance a boxer's performance. Nonetheless, this drug is legal in Nevada, "BUT NOT IN TEXAS or the OLYMPICS. A person surely slips more by the mouth than ever by the foot, so Money-short May doesn't need a foot in his mouth. He'd have come up dirty in the Olympic-style drug testing because Xylocaine is forbidden and would have showed up in Money May's blood. What a BOZO! Dude would have indicted himself. It is not like it is a big SECRET that Money May has been using Xylocaine for years on those bad-arse hands. I hope that MY MAN -- Superfightwriter Ron B -- is going to be all over this jive that Mayweather failed to hide. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 03:57:04 PM
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Radam G -- signing off 4 a bit, blokes:
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This hurt bitnezz always bit some arses. It is no doubt that boxing is "the theatre of the unexcepted." How many of Lil' Floyd fanfaronades will accept that Money-broke May is a CHEAT and is scared to get bloody ole BEAT -- darn blood-wanting vampire? He is so batty dire! Manny will let Money May keep using that Xylocaine and still kayoed him. Now who is chicken? Maybe Lil' Floyd eat himself som balut. It may just give him courage. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 04:09:43 PM
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MisterLee:
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It's tru Floyd uses xylocaine! I read it in an email!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 04:13:53 PM
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Radam G -- hmmm:
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One last word or question. Why don't Money May just use pee pee on his brittled-arse hands as Doc V.K. does? Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 04:14:33 PM
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brownsugar:
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Radam,....lol,....xylocaine is a topical drug used for nerve pain caused by herpes or shingles... it's applied to directly to rashes on the surface of the skin,... if Floyd is using Xlylocaine then he should give the Vegas strippers a rest.... but it's not anything that can be used to enhance anybodies athletic performance.... Pac is in for a tough night against Clottey,.. built like a tank,.. and damn near a junior welterweight,... Clottey will walk right to Pacman snapping his triple left hook(behind his peek-a-boo defense) in the direction that Manny likes to circle(to the right)... Clottey would even be tough fight for Floyd,.. he's rugged strong and not slow by any estimations,... I can't believe Pacman is so offended by Mayweather that he'd throw away 40$mill to fight for 25% of that of less to face a guy who could cause Manny to be pissing blood for weeks after the fight,... win or lose,.. Pac will absorb some true welterweight pain in that fight,... but at any rate,... Pac will freeze Mayweather out of prime time,...since he owns has the March 13th HBO date,... if Floyd is still fighting on that day on some off brand PPV card it won't be anything except for the "Rent Money" and legal fees,... Floyd is also talking about fight Shane Mosely,... a guy Floyd has derided publically as recent as dec 24 on 50cents site saying that Shane has always used PED's,.... so if Shane beats Berto,.. and Pac gets by Clottey,.. I would'nt be surprised if Shane takes the larger (and safer) payday against Pac which would leave the Money man on the outside looking in.... Floyd has somewhat painted himself into a corner which could leave him scrambling for a decent marketable opponent and a good payday,... what has begun as the biggest show in boxing has turned into a relatively hard road for everybody involved... this whole welterweight situation has the feel of a good 1970's Soap Opera...
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 04:29:52 PM
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brownsugar@MisterLee:
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good assessment on Martinez,.it's a shame he's just getting noticed at the age of 34,.. but none of those fighters you mentioned want any parts of Martinez,.. Now Kirkland who I believe is supposed to be getting released very soon is crazy enough to try it,.. but it'll take him at least 6 - 12 months and a couple of tune ups to be ready (if he can still make the weight after being on the "shelf" so long)
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 04:49:20 PM
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MisterLee:
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Worrrd... free Kirkland!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 05:06:18 PM
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TotoyBato:
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Floyd jr. should fight Bobby Pacquiao.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 05:14:31 PM
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Radam G @ B-Sug:
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Money-short May uses it -- been doing it for years. And it is banned by the Olympics and collegiate sports. I know very well about it. And I know people who use (and used) it innocently and got suspended. As you almost said, it is used to kill out pain, thus enhancing performance because of no pain. This jive is clearly a PED, no two ways about it. And it indeed enhances performances because you won't feel the pain -- I MUST SAY TWICE BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SO NICE! There is so much trickery of using things in boxing and sports that it is pathetic. Maybe you should get you a handbook about what substance one can use in professional that are approved by the organizations and commissions. While Xylocaine is legal in Las Vegas by NASC, it is not in Dallas-Arlington-Fort Worth by the TASC. This is why GBP nut job and Family May backed out of fighting in Texas ASAP. One again, there is no uniformed sets of rules in pro boxing like in pro football, baseball and basketball. Mentho-Lyptus is illegal by some commissions. Family Mayweather has gotten burnt trying to split a red herring. He is now the sucka proven guilty of using banned substance by the organization who he wants to do the testing of Team Pac. Bottomline, PacMan will kayoed Moneyless May, as he is going to beat Clottey stupidly. I will not be surprised to see Clottey kayoed in eight rounds or less. He has an iron chin, but the referee will stop the bout because Manny will be outclassing him with whup-asre speed punches of 15 to 20 at a time without Clottey being able to respond. Like 95 percent with other fighters and 99 percent with Manny, I will be fight. And I'm betting largely on that. Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 05:25:27 PM
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RG -- busy in Manilyad:
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*I will be right...
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 05:30:12 PM
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Pac-MAN:
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Hello its me pac-roid I'm to scared to take a random blood test cause i know they will catch me cheating on roids even tho in the Olympics they test for blood everyday that did not stop Bolt or Phelps from breaking world records or Olympic boxers from fighting..I am over rated chicken shit
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 05:36:57 PM
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SALT lover@brownsugar:
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XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE, you're gonna waste energy and time explainin' the whole issue of Floyd's hands? Please, that stupid stuff is a lame a$$ counter-move by the Paclovers to try and bring that stuff back at Floyd, as if that's gonna mean anythin'. LOL!!!!!!!! Dude, that was even live on HBO in 2002; go back to the first Jose Luis Castillo fight, get the whole HBO broadcast of that night, and before the fight Jim Lampley narrates a mini documentary about it, they interview Floyd about it, and it's even show on close-up. They talk in details all about it. Please, that is a DUMBA$$ move by the Pacworld tryin' to get back at Floyd after he casted a huge shadow over Pacquiao's accomplishments, or better yet, Pacquiao casted on HIMSELF when he refused the blood testin' that's a lot more sophisticated than urine samples that don't show EVERYTHIN' an athlete can put into his body, like for example HGH and stuff.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 05:57:44 PM
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oskar:
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Frank Z... Well did Manny said he wont venture at 154? Yah he always said talk to my propomter but Manny does know were his limit is... If you think Manny still can fight at 154 even his not natural welterweight still a good compliment maybe Juan Manuel can take Yuri too.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 06:25:37 PM
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oskar:
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Before JMM vs PBF was just a rumor then suddenly an announcement was made. It wouldn't surprise me if Floyd jr announce it one day that his going to fight Mattew Hatton.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 06:33:31 PM
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MisterLee:
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Cheers to anyone that can ever unify the welterweight titles. When was the last time this happened? We got Mosley, Berto, and Pacquiao holding the real straps, and some guy carrying the IBF strap (that's been vacated more times than Paris HIlton). So Mosley passes Berto, Pacquiao or Clottey then fight Mosley, HUGE unification.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 06:42:55 PM
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MisterLee:
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Wow, how many lies have Floyd told? Let's tally: 1.) He'll retire from the sport for good with his health and money 2.) He's fought the best 3.) He's the best p4p fighter in 2009 4.) He'll never fight Mosley nor Pacquiao b/c of their losses 5.) He'll never split a purse 50/50 6.) He'll never work with Arum 7.) That Marquez is a "Great little man" at Welterweight 8.) That he's back to please the fans 9.) That he understands there's a line of fighters waiting to fight him and that he'll fight them one at a time 10.) That money and business rules his fight decisions (Pacquiao and Mosley are his two highest grossing fights out there, Cotto being third, Ricky Hatton fourth, Paul Williams fifth) 11.) That Pacquiao is taking PED's, now he's the one using banned substances 12.) That his fight decisions are suddenly decided by the USDA testing says "Commissioner" Mayweather 13.) That he was going to enter the Marquez bout @ 144.... How many more lies will he tell the public? Why Should anyone trust this guy ever again? ... 14.) That everyone is waiting for the Mayweather Sweepstakes but actually Pacquiao is the bigger draw 15.) Mayweather criticizes Shane Mosley for calling him out post-Marquez, but he announces his comeback on May 2nd, and calls out Pacquiao the same night he beat Cotto. Wow! Lies upon lies! Mentiras! Las Mentiras!!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 06:51:17 PM
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Radam G -- CALL A DUCK A DUCK:
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Gosh! Talking about idiots! Karma is a mutha! (16) Money May said that he has always been clean and would never use anything to help with his performance. Nevertheless, he has been one scuzzy sucka for years. We now know one of the steroids that Money-busted May is using. Is Money-short May nasty or what? Hmmm! Sharped-eyed super reader B-Sug posted that "Xylocaine is a topical DRUG used for nerve pain caused by herpes or shingles....it's applied to (sic) directly to rashes on the surface of the skin..." DITTO! DITTO! THAT'S A ROGER, ROGER THAT!!! The steriod cream -- code named CLEAR -- is strangly applied directly to the surface of the skin, as used by Barry Bonds, Marion Jones and Sugar Shane Mosley. TSS FIGHTWRITERS, I wonder how Lil' Floyd is going shoulder roll, two-step stroll, bent at the waist, head drop south fold his way out of this one. Will he stand and fight mano-a-mano like a man, or blame it on a conspiracy? Or maybe he just had herpes on his brittle hands. I am willing to give such a greater pugilist the benefit of the doubt. But I wouldn't be surprised to learn that that Xylocaine was mixed with a lot of CLEAR! Xylocaine was probably used to mass the CLEAR. May Money-short May oughta clear his conscience and FIGHT the PacMan and get kayoed! Holla!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 08:46:40 PM
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Floyd Mayweather Jr.:
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ChefBoyalee is right. I'm a liar. I'm a cheater as is clearly shown by the huge amount of proof against me, but all I can do is drag a great warrior like Manny Pacquiao's name through the mud. Between you all and me though, I wouldn't get in the ring with him even if he met every demand I could possibly think of. On the day of the fight, I'd miracously come up with an injury or life threatning disease or come up with a new set of rules Manny must abide by because I am the biggest POSER and COWARD the world has ever known. I wonder how fast it'll take my comment to be deleted by someone like me FOR NO REASON AT ALL, because believe you me, I know a FAKE and a POSER and someone who's biased when I see it. YEY, TEAM MAYWEATHER! HOLLA, AT YOUR BOY!!! Hey, did you all know my picture is by the word HYPOCRITE in the dictionary. I'm so proud of that and I love to cheat. HOLLA!
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 09:01:51 PM
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DaveB:
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IMO I think Floyd was setting up a ready made excuse if he had of fought and lost (of course if it really got to that stage because as he stated above it wouldn't have lol). Team Mayweather stated they have the best PED's in the Phillippines, so easily he could have said even the Olympic drug testing didn't detect it because it was something even that test couldn't detect. Floyd is one slippery fella.
Sunday Jan 10, 2010 11:00:59 PM
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Matthew:
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If this fight comes to fruition, Pacquiao will have fought better competition in two welterweight fights than Mayweather has in nearly 5 years in the division.
Monday Jan 11, 2010 07:33:11 AM
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DRMULLEN :
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If Floyd's hands don't hold up, he should fold up....man you come right outta a comic book....Bull-Chit MR Hand Man!
Monday Jan 11, 2010 09:23:40 AM
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#1 PacFan "P4P Legend":
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Totally agree with you DaveB. Scareweather has been slipping through the sport since he left 135. They say he is one of the greatest but, who has he fought? Like Matthew said, Pac will have fought two top 5 Welteweights than Scare has in nearly 5 years in the division.
Monday Jan 11, 2010 10:29:03 AM
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Kuya Jay:
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from all the reports i've read in Mayweather's attempts to bail/duck out one of the greatest fighters can't be missed: Mayweather bails out on Margarito for an $8 mil. deal; Mayweather turns down on Cotto saying "there is nothing to prove" after his last fight with Marquez to retirement career; Mayweather bails and blames Pacquiao for not taking a 14 day random test/Olympic test. It's a Boxing Sport not Olympics.
i knw there's more but this is all i know about Mayweather. it's obvious who Floyd really is: a picky fighter.
Friday Jan 22, 2010 08:37:54 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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