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Thursday Dec 24, 2009

Give Floyd credit for putting Team Pacquiao on the defensive. Floyd has mastered that art.

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Mayweather's Antics Exceeding All Expectations

By Frank Lotierzo



He doesn't posses the "It" factor, nor is he the most outrageously skilled fighter you've ever seen. Compared to Hector Camacho, Sugar Ray Leonard and Roy Jones his hand speed looks almost pedestrian; that said he's one of the best fighters since Muhammad Ali at tweaking his opponents and getting inside their head leading up to a big fight.

Floyd Mayweather by virtue of his interviews, antics and orchestrated press conferences has transformed himself into a fighter who when he speaks, the boxing world tunes in to find out what angle he's working this time. Before his retirement after stopping Rick Hatton in December of 2007, Mayweather didn't garner stop the press attention like Oscar De La Hoya or Mike Tyson. But since the emergence of Manny Pacquiao and his lopsided decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez in his last fight, Mayweather has become the talk of the boxing community.

Starting on the day of the Pacquiao-Hatton bout when Mayweather announced his comeback, Floyd has tantalized boxing fans with what he'll say and do next. Keeping them on the edge, trying to figure out will he fight Pacquiao? Is he afraid of him and does he believe Manny is really using PEDs and/or HGH to help him as a fighter?

During the last few weeks the Mayweather faction has repeatedly asserted how they believe Pacquiao may be using PEDs/HGH and that's the reason Manny has looked so overwhelming in his last two fights versus Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto. And because of that Mayweather has changed the debate to being about how Pacquiao has to prove to him that he isn't taking or injecting himself with any illegal supplements or steroids. This is nothing more than an attempt to try and rattle Pacquiao. He wants it to look as if the fighter who has shown throughout his career that he's willing to fight the best fighters out there (Pacquiao), is the more reluctant fighter than the one who's hopped, skipped and avoided taking on the upper-tier fighters in his division, (Mayweather).

The Pacquiao camp is playing the Mayweather camp in return and giving them a dose of their own medicine. Pacquiao has agreed to being tested by the Nevada State Athletic Commission three times, only the Mayweather camp insist that he must submit to the drug testing guidelines of the International Olympic Committee. In other words Team Mayweather not only wants to dictate that the protocol for the test be done more in depth for this bout than any of the two fighters' previous fights, they also want to dictate who does the testing. In essence  they are saying Pacquiao submitting to being tested isn't enough. For it to be authentic and legit he must submit himself to the drug testing that we (the Mayweather faction) deem legitimate.

Give Team Mayweather credit for dictating the the pre-fight hype. Through the subterfuge of Mayweather he's managed to make it look as though it is Pacquiao who is hiding something and is perhaps doing something on the underhand, when in fact there is no evidence or proof that Pacquiao is doing anything of the sort.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. is trying so hard to get inside of Pacquiao's head, hoping to get he and Freddie Roach to think about everything but the actual fight itself. Mayweather is doing his best to set things up so if he and Pacquiao don't fight in 2010 it'll look as if it was because of the unwillingness on the part of Team Pacquiao than it was Team Mayweather.

With the news of the last couple days that the fight may not happen, it's caused an uproar with boxing fans and has painted Pacquiao in a less positive light. Right now Floyd is controlling the media and fans regarding the build up and anticipation of fight.

When all is said and done, Pacquiao has more options and can fight any upper-tier junior welterweight or welterweight and make a ton of money. On the other hand Floyd has to fight somebody really good who is a perceived risk and not a setup in his next fight in order for him to break the bank. Pacquiao can make the most money fighting Mayweather, but he doesn't need him to make a monumental pay day.

Mayweather has exceeded all expectations regarding the games he's playing to sway the boxing media and public in trying to convince them that it is he who really wants the Pacquiao fight, but it's being held up because Manny can't pass a stipulated drug test. This is something you've gotta be pretty gullible to believe.

The anticipation of Mayweather-Pacquiao has sparked interest in boxing like no other fight in recent history. When you see boxing the lead story on the bottom crawl on ESPN programing, you know it's big, simply because ESPN does a terrible job promoting boxing - as evidenced by the fact they don't even promote their own Friday night cards on ESPN2.

Mayweather's request for a potential 3-5 blood tests and 8-12 urine tests taken at random intervals (Olympic testing) is a head game aimed at interrupting Manny's training and preparation up to and including the day before the fight. It gives Floyd the upper hand in calling the shots and an out if he doesn't want the fight.

The band marches on and Mayweather is doing his best to gain an angle if and when he fights Manny Pacquiao. It certainly would be a welcome change if Mayweather and Pacquiao would just sign to meet at 147 with Pacquiao's WBO title on the line without any gimmicks.

Well, you can forget that as long as the name Mayweather makes up half the marquee. Floyd will attempt to hold up and pull out of the fight up until the time both he and Manny leave their dressing rooms and head for the ring on fight night if they ever make it that far.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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SALT lover:  Great article Lotierzo, but, dude: ......" nor is he (Floyd) the most outrageously skilled fighter you've ever seen. Compared to Hector Camacho, Sugar Ray Leonard and Roy Jones his hand speed looks almost pedestrian" ............What was that, man? Floyd's the most skilled fighter of the decade, and this era! I thought it would be so obvious by now. Sugar Ray Leonard, it may be debateful, but Roy more skilled than him? PLEASE! Roy's defense (As much as I love Roy) were only his legs, while Floyd's defense are a huge list of things he can do, and that's a lot more things than the should-roll everybody alway talks about; and in the speed department, Floyd was and is slightly faster than Roy, only a little bit, not Floyd's got better handspeed. And Camacho, well, he had one of the fastest hands in boxin', that's True, but Floyd's a more complete fighter than Camacho ever was. You got that way wron', dude.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:14:55 PM
Awating Floyd's DEMISE:  This is so typical of Mayweather, I was expecting to see 2 world class top warriors in action and actually expected NO Non-Sense in the build of this fight. I always fall for 'IT'... This is what you get when you have NIGGERS with Money, the worst thing on the planet..... Floyd and his low-life dead beat Dad and that Criminal X-CON waste of an uncle are typical control freaks, Floyd is SCARED. If he wasnt scared he wuldnt pull this shit and just want to prove his grit and FIIIIIIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:15:11 PM
Radam G -- foreseen this forecast:  Wow! I know that you'd get on it, Superelitefightwriter F-Lo. You have put in all in nutshell masterpiece. I know that this was going to happen. I saw the clouds darkening the minute Pops Joy May said at ringside of the Cotto-Pacquiao bout that "Manny is on something." Joy cannot stand to see his seed disgraced in a fight that Lil Floyd will not be able to control the pace or find any space. Manny would be on him like white on rice. And Money May would get kayoed quickly and need a lot of ice. Holla!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:15:53 PM
nizzle:  I have a question for everyone.......if Manny has nothing to hide, why not agree to the testing? I mean the dude said he'd take the test a month before the fight and the day after so he obviously isn't against taking the blood test. he just wants to dictate WHEN he takes it. Sounds fishy to me. I have a feeling if MLB gave Barry Bonds, A-Rod and all those guys the chance to take the test on their own terms they'd never have caught any of them with a dirty system. Gimme a break. Floyd's antics started as a game to get into Manny's head, but it looks like this time he hit the nail on the head. A little more than he planned for since all he attempted to do was piss Manny's camp off and have them not focus on the umcoming fight. BTW......Mayweather will not let Manny even get close enough to hit him. If he is close enough Mayweather's Philly Shell defense was built for the kind of attack that Manny brings. Manny's never fought a fighter with the defensive skills Mayweather, he picks guys who do noghtin but throw punches so that he can swing away. Good luck with that come fight time Manny............
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:26:26 PM
Jacob Filipino:  You still haven't answered why is Pacquiao afraid of being tested? Only dopers fear being tested..ANYTIME, AT RANDOM A CLEAN athlete would not hesitate to come out CLEAN ..i.e, a blood drug test
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:33:29 PM
Radam G -- nice GAME:  By the way, since Money May loves the Olympic-style drug testing, maybe he will go back to the Olympic Games and get his "Gold Medal that (he) was cheated out of." As the Games let pro basketballers in it, it is considering letting pro boxers compete. Money May should use his influence to speed up the process of letting the pros get in. Right now he is into professional boxing not Olympic. That sucka doesn't have the power to tell any professional boxing commission to use amateur games' proceedure to conduct their business. Since these corrupted commissions like to throw people out for the slightest violation, they should send Money May packing for dissing their soild-clad procedures. Give that sucka a BIG fine just as the IRS has done. I best Money May will fight then. Ole broke-not-paying-your-taxes sucka Money May. I think that he is the one into superstition. That sucka is probably practicing vampirism -- and not paying taxes on that too -- and needs some good blood. Money May was born the same day that the movie Blacula came out, lmfao! Maybe that sucka is cursed with the urge to taste blood. Somebodeee oughta tell that fool that the bout is going to be in Las Vegas, not Tansylvania or Hoodsylvania. Holla!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:48:38 PM
in touch:  The fact that floyd has never done this before tells he's more scared than ever. It also shows he got himself into something he wants out of. There is no way he will back down from this demand, and this fight will not happen. Floyd took this fight assuming manny would not take it so soon after cotto. Also knowing that manny had a broken ear drum. But the fact that manny agreed within a couple of hours of talking to arum, scared the crap out of scareweather. So, the truth now is as evident as ever. Scareweather is scared. He is afraid of taking a beating. What scareweather doesn't know is that he is really tarnishing the sport. What was hyped as the biggest fight in history is now being talked about in a negative light. There is no evidence that pac is on steriods. He's been tested in every fight. How can someone be accused of a crime they did not commit? golden boy is an ugly outfit. ODH has also come out and accused manny of having something to hide. odh is proving how downright low he can be. I was losing respect for him as a fighter in his last 6 fights, he found a way to lose every big fight. Now, as a promoter, he's siding but a scared fighter just so he can put more money in his own bank. Plus, ODH has a tough time dealing with the beating he took from manny. He made all sorts of excuses about that fight. he went on record to say manny could not punch. And now, in his last interview, he's saying manny punched as hard as mosley did and vargas did (both mosley and vargas were tested positive for steroids). so, now he's comparing manny's punching power to mosley's when in fact he said manny could not even hurt him. what is it? How much accusations should one great fighter take? Why will the Nevada commission not stand up to this? Why are they remaining quiet when in fact their integrity is being questioned? In 40 years of boxing in vegas, not once has this request (made by scareweather) been made. Why is anybody with authority listening? The Nevada commission should say, "fight or get out. These are the rules and as long as you want to fight in this state, you have to oblige by these rules. " it goes to show you that he who speaks the loudest gets heard. Doesn't matter that he makes sense or not. Just that he spouts off s... Manny meanwhile has stayed true to his nature. He's let scareweather spout and has remained quiet. As he had said when he first agreed to this fight, that he would not get into a trash talking game with mayweather and that he would do his talking in the ring. Poor Manny will not get to do any talking. Cause scareweather will see to it that they never get into the ring. Not in this lifetime. Scareweather gets out of another one. The biggest fake in the history of sports perhaps.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 04:53:21 PM
Justin:  I just saw a interview with Roach he said he told Pacman to say no to Floyds demands.He said in every fight Manny has taken drug test and passed he also consulted a doctor who told him hgh would come up in a urine test. Roach said "we do not work for the Mayweathers we go bu the Nevada Athletic commision" . He also said Floyd is looking for a way out. he said he new this fight would never happen. Floyd wants a 24 foot ring ect ect bigger gloves ect , he is trying to negotiate a win like Suger Ray did to Hagler!!!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:01:35 PM
Buffy:  Floyd is vindicating the awesome effectiveness of Manny by these requests for blood tests.What nonsense. True Mayweather is a great boxer but also a disgrace with his comments.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:08:58 PM
Danky:  Okay we need to be honest, if it was turned around and many ask Floyd we would call him scared to fight. i don't think Floyd is scared i just think he is trying to get into his head. If Floyd wants to win this fight, he needs to spend more time watching film and training than this junk right here. That right watch film because if u think you will skate pass this fight without watching film that is a knockout waiting to happen.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:21:34 PM
Ton:  The Mayweathers are experts when it comes to drugs. Roger and Sr, if tested, I'm sure will come out very positive. Take it from the experts, listen to them talk. But being expoerts, they are only good for certain types of drugs. What they don't know is pure conjecture.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:32:34 PM
bobcobb:  Mayweather's a punk, pure and simple. He'll do anything to get out of this fight but place the blame on Manny. He knows he'll be punished, not just beaten, if he fights Manny and he can't handle it. He's a coward.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:34:46 PM
Mak:  Compared to Hector Camacho, Sugar Ray Leonard and Roy Jones his hand speed looks almost pedestrian I stopped reading after that. Child please Fact is, Manny hasn't agreed to take the test. Floyd has agreed to everything. If the tides was turned, people would be saying Floyd hiding something and is scared. Moving on
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:43:38 PM
aljamieson:  I believe that this website should require that every person who posts on this board should have three random urine tests and two blood tests for any and all illicit drugs, before the end of January. Results must be posted in the comments section. Anyone who doesn't do it should be banned from posting because not doing the tests means that they are on drugs.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:43:47 PM
BackFire:  Just common sense people! If Manny is really a Doper, he definitely will get doped on fight night and whatever dope he has will still be in his system right after the fight in which he is willing to be blood tested. The Dope can't be flushed out of his system no matter what. Manny will Never let his 10+ year boxing legacy be destroyed or tarnished by use of illegal performance enhancing drugs. Demanding an unprecedented blood test conducted by USADA for a professional non-olympic boxing match is telling the Nevada State Athletic Commision that their testing protocol is substantard and that all previous fights including Mayweather's are subject to suspicion and doubt. From my vantage point this demand from the Mayweather camp is a lame to cover their fear of the seemingly improbable - a loss or even a humililating KO. But then what should he be fearing about? He is the absolutely best counterpuncher in the business, is he not? A perfect unblemished record in the sport. He demolished Marquez in his return fight. Surely the Pacquiao team should have noticed. Let's get this best of the best fight going cause I wanna know who is the really the better of the two. Enough of this head games and ridiculous demands.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:44:34 PM
SALT lover@TSS Universe:  Ya'll go to USATODAY dot com (Or Google), and look for the article titled: 'Official: Olympic-style drug testing 'most effective program', and educate yourselves before defendin' somebody blind folded. Puttin' dates to tests don't help at all..........I know this won't heal the blin fanatism, but it does explain whole lots of things.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:46:56 PM
ultimoshogun:  Wow! Unfortunately Fe'Roz is right about the latest articles drawing scumbags here to TSS. Whoever posted what "Awaiting Floyd's DEMISE" said is a racist bigot and TSS and the entire world for that matter is a much better place without people like you.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:57:59 PM
t dogg:  THIS JUST IN..arum says fight jus about dead...lookn @ other fighters..cuz floyds camp not budgin...BUT arum says the fight could happen @ a later date....WHAT!!!!!!!..WTF does that mean ..same rules are gonna apply then as they do now...sound like 2 me ...arum is stalling tha fight so PACMAN get get tha xtra time in camp 2 prepare cuz what he said makes no sense @ alll... i almost 4got 2 say....PACMAN is still fighting on march 13 ...so go figure
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:58:04 PM
ifeo:  Floyd Badweather as a champion is questionable and tainted if he insist on this non-sense drug testing (out of commission). If he doesn't believe that the current testing by the professional boxing commission is enough. This also applies to striptease Delahoya and all the boxing champions and greats the world has ever produced.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:58:16 PM
boxingfanfrelay:  For the record, Pacman has agreed to be tested thrice. First, on the announcement date. Second, 30 days before the fight & lastly, the minute after the fight. What more does Duckhead wants? They want complete control of how its done and who does it to ensure that a positive result will come out. After all is said and done, Prettygay Floy wants a way out....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:00:06 PM
ifeo:  Floyd Badweather as a champion is questionable and tainted if he insist on this non-sense drug testing (out of commission). If he doesn't believe that the current testing by the professional boxing commission is enough. This also applies to striptease Delahoya and all the boxing champions and greats the world has ever produced.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:00:26 PM
ecp:  If I were manny I'd take the test but in 1 condition floyd take the test to.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:01:54 PM
t dogg:  WOW ....I AGREE ULTIMOSHOGUN...THIS ISNT THA PLACE 4 THAT..HE WOULDNT SAY THAT 2 NOBODY HE THOUGHT COULD BEAT HIS A$$ ,,BUT ON A COMPUTER ..HE A TUFF TONY..WHO IS JUST A COWARD..LETS KEEP IT BOXING HERE PPL..DONT PERSONALIZE YA OPINIONS KEEP IT.........BOXING
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:03:34 PM
Rich:  the mayweathers say a man can't go from fighting at 108 and build up to 147 without the use of drugs? does this come from personal knowledge? didn't mayweather once fight at 108 also? mayweather has never taken a fight that he wasn't positive he could win, there is no substance that anyone could take that could not be detected on the schedule that manny agreed to that might be found on a random test hours or days before the test. if something is in his body during the fight it will still be there in the lockerroom after the figtht. mayweather be a man and fight pacman or retire for good, noone wants to see you fight lighweights anymore, especially when you don't even make weight to give yourself an extra advantage.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:14:26 PM
Renz:  Who said Manny is afraid of testing? Fraudweathears wants Manny 7 blood samples. And you know that's fkcng rediculous. In fact fraudweathers agreed already ,one before the kickoff and one on the postfight. They are just really finding ways just to halt this fight. Cuzz he knows well that manny will beat him up
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:14:26 PM
southpaw_07:  [B]I refuse to accept that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is setting up a new standard of testing boxers, now we should have Olympic standard tests? If Manny P. never failed a test before, why should a new set of rules apply now?[/B]
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:15:47 PM
odok:  great article. pbf (the challenger) can't be dictating on pacman (the champ) on conditions. obviously, pbf has no respect or decency at all. pbf got everything to gain in this fight. pound 4 pound, AND welterweight crown. pacman has nothing no gain in this fight to add to his legacy, except for the big pay day (which is also afforded to pbf). pacman does NOT need pbf, but the other way around. now pbf just revealed his intentions. he is TOO scared to fight the pacman. go ahead pbf and fight matthew hatton (who?). alot of top caliber pugs are itching,begging, dreaming to fight my pacman. shame on you pbf, you just blew it. coward!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:20:18 PM
Sicko:  it is a simple drug test, he is not asking Pacman to come fight in his Living Room so he can had the advantage I think it is pathetic how Bias some of the "So Called" reports are when it comes time to talk about this fight, guys are just throw professionalism out of the window because the want to suck up to Pacman I think a fight this big they should take the extra step into assuring that it is a even playing field, BOTH FIGHTERS would be taking the exact same test but for some reason Pacman fans think only Pacman will be taking these test and Mayweather want as for Mayweather skills, the first few sentence of this article showed me that this is just a Pacman fan and this guy don't have a clue what he is talking about "Mayweather doesn't have the It Factor or the Skills" hahaha you should be BANNED from writing articles about Boxing for that ignorant comment
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:25:03 PM
urine boy:  Urine tests show most of what blood tests do, not to mention Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample immediately after the fight.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:29:09 PM
glenn:  floyd is scared period
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:39:21 PM
nemo:  Both Mayweather, Sr. & Jr. are VERY VERY NASTY... Indeed such nastiness had already distracted Team Pacquiao. But where's the sportsmanship that Floyd, Jr., Richard Schaefer, or even, Oscar dela Hoya is saying for? Oscar dela Hoya have also jump-in to such nastiness... why? It is to my opinion that the reason is that Oscar has still a venom to seek vengeance against Pacquiao and showing already the color of a snake. Such actions from Team Mayweather has again put back BOXING to stone-age... why? well, Team Mayweather and dela Hoya attack against Pacquiao is also an attack to those boxing agencies that have conduct drug testing before on Manny Pacquiao. If Team Mayweather are doubting that Pacquiao was indeed taking drugs, then it also a question against the integrity of the Honorable Men from the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Who is then HONORABLE now... Floyd Mayweather, Jr.? Bulls....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:39:58 PM
areyoukiddingme:  You said: "nor is he the most outrageously skilled fighter you've ever seen. Compared to Hector Camacho, Sugar Ray Leonard and Roy Jones his hand speed looks almost pedestrian;" Are you high? Floyd is the definitely of pure boxing skill and hand speed, not to mention foot speed and head speed. Have you ever watched boxing? Roy Jones may be the most athletically gifted fight ever, but he was able to get away with some questionable fundamentals. Floyd does everything perfectly. He's used boxing skill and strategy to break every opponent down, even when the other person was stronger and more aggressive. So learn what you're talk about before you start your article with the dumbest statement you could ever make.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:41:08 PM
sagara:  go with the the test, do not fight the Coward mayweather, if manny's test is neagtive, sue mayweather's for the accusation, drain there money. and who is mayweather to dictate the test? is he a commision of boxing? manny's agreed to the test but not before the fight, although it not affects him physically, how about mentally? in a fight you need both mental and physical right?
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:47:11 PM
Anonymous user:  floyd is scared
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:49:43 PM
Cheatuaio:  I, Manny " Runman" Cheatuaio would like to thank all my hard die fans for support. It is becasue of you I will not be subject to "Olympic style" drug test and can continue to cheat my way through my boxing career. It will be very easy for me to continue to work around the State Athletic Comminssions drug test like I have been doing becasue they tell me EXACTLY when they are going to test me so I know when to use, and when not to use. Thank you, Frank Lotierzo for your BS, I mean, great articles about Floyd Mayweather. You talk better trash then me. Now, I'm off to take some more drugs to get ready for my fight with the "top tier" welterweight Paullio String Cheese. Bye.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:53:20 PM
walking TIM:  Mayweather is the challenger and yet he is the one imposing the rules. His demands are tantamount to simply telling everybody altogether that the Nevada State Commission drug testing is incomplete and questionable and should also use other organizations like the Olympics to do the testing is something absurd if not unfounded. This is the first time in history for a challenger demanding something that has never been done before. It should be the Nevada State Commission and not Mayweather that should give the guidelines. Pacquiao have always followed the rules wherever he goes. For a clean fighter like Pacquiao who is the champion to fight a challenger, the Mayweather camp should be thankful enough for this great opportunity.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:53:43 PM
mma1:  Floyd is scared of manny!! the great fighters like lennard, ali,hearns, hagler and the list goes on. would all fight to prove their the best.!!! floyed is just plain scared!!! chicken.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:54:55 PM
why?:  Why suddenly there are new boxing rules now ? Is it because Floyd is an american? Do this, do that ,you have to do this ? Why do people entertaining ?
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:55:09 PM
El Diablo:  A very nice analytical article. I hope Manny will hire a high profile lawyer. They should go after those who accused him of using steroids without factual basis. Maybe the Mayweather clan will realize then that accusing somebody is not a right. You are still liable in the eyes of the law. This demand (olympic style blood testing) is a slapped on the face of the Nevada Gaming Commission. I hope they will look on the gaming licences of the Mayweather clan. Somewhere along the way, the accuser is the one doing the illegal thing.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 06:58:13 PM
mortcola@nizzle:  In answer to your question about why Pac doesn't just comply: Because it is disruption to training; because it is a concession to a manipulator and a bully who attempts to win fights through bs outside the ring; because the request is above and beyond all professional testing standards; because it psychologically puts him at a disadvantage (see the first item); because it is not just a couple of needle sticks, but a random and unannounced set of blood drawings that the world will be hanging on, adding a distraction factor; because the drawing out of blood is not the same as tattoos - they have very different emotional impacts on people (my trainer is a tattoo artist to the stars and the bikers, and has told me stories about blood hangups in some of the toughest people out there). There is not and has never been any evidence, or even any allegations other than from the Mayweather camp, that Pac has cheated, especially through PEDs. If readers don't get this, then there is nothing to discuss - just a lot of rumours, which some people enjoy more than reality.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:04:46 PM
kountedout:  @ Ultimoshogun, thank you! you are a class act and even though you are a manny fan that's cool and i respect that. you look at both sides and you weigh your opinions. you are what a real boxing guy is about! @tdogg, if you notice there are a lot more of them like the rhyming guy who is a wannabe,he one of the biggest racist. but if you notice its the sorry bustas who hate that you dont agree with them. they are all cowards! they are lowlifes who dont hate there lifes so they get a kick out of insults. they can't keep it boxing that lets you know that they are not real boxing ppl. they are bustas!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:04:47 PM
Eastar:  Cheatuiao has more options then Floyd 'Money'? You mean Yori Foreman and Paulie Mal.. ah wutever are "upper-tier? " On the other hand Floyd has to fight somebody really good". So Pacgirl gets a pass for fighting bums but Floyd has to fight a REAL CONTENDER? Don't forget Floyd did a million PPV with Marquez who Pacgirl fought twice, and only did 600,000 PPV for both fights combined. And after Cheatuaio's refusal to take the drug test, NOBODY WILL WATCH HIS FIGHTS ON PPV AGAIN. He is a Fraud.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:04:52 PM
JaRvis:  The way I see it, Floyd is doing this to avoid getiing an L If only this fight would push through, this, I believe, will be the closest he'll get to being defeated, and of course, he wouldn't want that. So it's either he makes demands to get everything about the fight go his way, or make it look like it's not his fault that the fight didn't go through. But not all boxing fans can be deceived, Floyd, so don't bet you got the better of this blood-test stuff. The way most of us see it, it's more than you unwilling to fight rather than Pacquiao hiding something. Neither of the two of you has tested positive for drug use in your fights,, so why dwell that to keep the fight from getting straghtened out? Cowardice, I say. Cements your legacy as a cherry-picker....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:06:23 PM
Yuvie:  Okay, I really don't like what Mayweather has done but he's done a smart thing. To the fans looking in from the outside, this looks bad on Pacquiao, especially if the fight just doesn't happen now because of that one issue. It's already started on lesser sites with the whole 'Pacquiao's a cheat' thing and even on here. This sounds like BS to me, especially since serious talks are going on between Pacquiao & Malignaggi. So you mean the same Malignaggi who has been vocal about Pacquiao being a cheat suddenly wants to fight Pacquiao, come on man. That would be an insulting fight to the fans, even those who don't know jack about boxing. How they gonna sell that fight? I guarantee you, by new year, this whole fiasco will have passed over and we'll be talking about Pacquiao/Mayweather for March again. I certainly won't accept someone of Pacquiao's caliber fighting a Malignaggi or a blown up Marquez. Only the best. Surely Devon Alexander looks better on the resume than f'n Paulie Malignaggi. If not that, he only needs to wait till the end of Jan for the winner of Mosley/Berto.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:06:29 PM
Anthony Filipino:  Hahaha. Mayweather is a clown. NO wonder followers like Jacob who identified himself as Filipino is a clown as well....But hey, do you really believe a Filipino could be such stupid asshole like this man Jacob. Jacob, may you and Mayweather and your ilk get what you deserve.... If I were Manny I would walk away...No need for this insult...
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:09:00 PM
Yes Yo!:  The line that "If Manny does not have anything to hide, why doesn't he agree to testing?: is just crappy. Fact is, Manny AGREED to be tested LIKE NO ONE ELSE BEFORE HIM, both in urine (no limits) and in blood (3 tests), so he isn't hiding something. Of the 3 blood tests, the most significant test is the one to be done IMMEDIATELY after the fight. If Manny is on to anything, that after fight test would determine it. And if Manny fails that test, he can forfeit the fight and lose his purse. and more importantly, destroy the legacy that he worked so hard to built, which is worth more than all the money he has made. That is reasonable isn't it. So why will Floyd insist that the test be can done as late as one day before the fight, if not only to get into Manny's head and disrupt his focus heading into the most important fight of his career? Is that what Floyd calls "leveling the playing field"? Didn't Floyd say that Manny is too small for him or that he is even not in his level (or words to that effect), so what the hell does he want to level that field for? I may have give Floyd the benefit of the doubt before when people accused him of being a coward and a ducker, but his latest antics have forced me to rethink my position. If there is anybody hiding here, its Floyd. Yeah, he's hiding from Manny! He's just making an excuse not to fight Manny.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:09:41 PM
sonnym:  forget about this sucking blood test in the first place... does mayweather want to fight or not ? ONE HAS ONLY TO FEAR....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:13:08 PM
Yuvie:  How the hell can someone call Pacquiao a cheater? It's a joke. mortcola is on point. This whole steroid thing has only ever come from one camp, the Mayweather camp and now everyone wants to take it all serious. This whole charade that the Mayweather's have created has brought boxing right down into the pits. Not only because it's a horrible, disrespective thing to do to the sport of boxing (Not just Pacquiao) but it also makes a lotta idiots question the authenticity of a guy who has, let's face it, been the flag bearer of boxing in this era. This whole argument makes me hate a sport that I should be loving. At this stage, I think the quicker that Pacquiao/Mayweather happens, the better. Then we can forget about this all and just carry on like the f'n fight never happened.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:13:17 PM
Pacscorp:  Where are the words of the commission Nevada State , who are sanctioning the fight. They should be the one in control ,who will do the drug test. If the fighters dont agree, then so be it , no fights in Nevada.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:16:59 PM
joaquin:  Everyone who says Pacquiao is hiding something always forget the fact that Pacquiao is willing, and i said it again, IS WILLING to have blood testing IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIGHT. If pacquiao is using something performance enhancing Drugs, Will it not be detected on that time?
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:21:42 PM
oskar:  Good thing there are writers who can still figure out what team Mayweather is trying to do unlike in some other site there are writers who don’t have a clue and easily caught up by the Mayweather clan. Simple minded writers and when they react on your comment you’re not allowed to retaliate. They’ve been executing freedom of speech to the full extent and when you used it against them you’re being blocked. It’s seems that they’re not confident with what they wrote. Well pardon me and enough of that… Relax, Pacman will make team Mayweather pay big time inside the ring but of course on negotiation table team Pac might want bigger purse and luring team Mayweather by letting them think that they’ve got something on Pac making them want the fight more and then suddenly Pac will agrees to everything.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:28:24 PM
antoniomd:  Just because Manny disagreed to the request of Mayweather for them to undergo USDA test doesn't mean Pacquiao is a cheater.I think this is the first time a boxer demanded to use USDA testing which is a big insult to NSAC who is handling the bout. I would like to point out the if a person is taking something it will surely manifest days before the fight and most of all MINUTES AFTER OR A DAY AFTER THE FIGHT.Manny agreed to blood testing but the timing is crucial. He doesn't want to let blood a day before the fight but he agreed to undergo such test days before the fight like the pre-fight conference and minutes after the fight. The problem is on Mayweather and USDA. Floyd is afraid and the USDA talks as if they are better than NSAC. USDA has no jurisdiction on professional boxing fights.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:30:06 PM
dino da vinci:  It's On! It's Off! It's On! It's Off! Let me help. In some ways, Floyd is nothing short of brilliant. At this point in his career, he gets how the game is played for the benefit of Floyd. My thoughts? Yes, Floyd was concerned with Margerito. Concerned with Cotto. Is most certainly concerned with Mr. Mosley...and on and on we go. He is also concerned with Manny. But not as much as he was (in the past) with the others. And, by a stroke of good fortune, it's his biggest possible payday of his career. (And by a lot!) When it comes to, well, money, Floyd has a high burn rate. Three days after the Marquez fight, Floyd went into a LV Rolls-Royce dealership and said, I'll take that one, dat one and dat one. When I went by the dealership several days later, those cars were no longer there. That's what Marquez money will buy you. I talked to one of my realtors who mentioned in passing Floyd made a formal offer on a house originally listed at fairly north of eight figures, and that he believed the owner was going to accept, and that it was a tremendous deal for Floyd. I'm guessing that that would be paid for with Pacquiao money. Floyd, IMHO, (See, and old dog can learn new tricks) hasn't fought a sterling group of opposition. But he does possess a sterling set of tools. To put things in perspective, Manny was life and death with JMM. Floyd? Pretty much did what he wanted. In Las Vegas casinos, Manny is NOT favored to win. Which is wonderful for Pac fans who would hope to risk a few dollars. Can Manny win? Of course he can. But Las Vegas sportsbook operators believe he'll need a really good night. Whatever night this fight finally transpires, it will be Freddie Roach's strategy that will determine just how successful Manny is. I believe it's Freddy who needs a good night. It's actually Freddy who's the wild card. Lastly, I believe there will come a point during the fight when these two monsters are warring, and combinations are flying, a smile is going to cross your face and for a brief moment, you are going to love both these fighters. And as that round winds down, you're going to realize just how much you love this sport.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:32:42 PM
jepoy fist:  I smell big conspiracy happening here. It is possible that the Mayweathers and Golden Boys conspired with the USADA. If they can convince Manny for the random test, there's a big possibility that they would put something on Manny's blood sample to make him positive in their "ready made" result. This is just too dangerous for Manny if he submits to this blood testing by the USADA. The Mayweathers and the Golden boys are capable of this because they are known as cheaters and desperate promoters.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:33:54 PM
BAD:  Floyd fights mediocre opponents thats why he looks so great!! But once he fights an elite boxer he will be exposed as a fraud. Why do you think he hasnt fought any top 20 rank Welterweight out their in 3 yrs. Its like he is an unproven Welterweight!!! Floyd your days of demanding things in negotiations are OVER!! Your a washed up old has been lightweight great!! #3 Ranked Welterweight that fights lower weight fighters!! #2 P4P and A NO BELT BLABBER MOUTH!! Pac is waiting for you to accept 3 Blood Tests but if your afraid he understands!!!Take it or leave it!! COME BACK WHEN YOUR BRAVE ENOUGH!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:35:13 PM
BigThud:  There's a new method in urine testing for HGH developed by George Mason University. That has a two week range detection. Using this method for random urine testing, plus 3 blood test proposed by the Pacquiao side in my opinion are sufficient enough for the fight to continue. The real problems for this fiasco are the Golden Boy Promotion and Mayweather Promotion. They jump on the gun by releasing a wordy crafted press conference. To publicly force Pacquiao to accept the deal for all its content or face the wrath of the people, and an easy way for Mayweather to \\"wiggle\\" out of a fight. Golden Boy and Mayweather promotions have not exerted every effort to find a middle ground. Google this:" Ask the Doc: With steroid and HGH testing, is blood or urine best? by Dr. Johnny Benjamin on Sep 01, 2009 at 12:50 pm ET". Sorry, tried to type in the link. But using of url is forbidden here
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:35:26 PM
rob:  fraud jr, i mean floyd jr is really chicken. pacman gave in to all his demands but enough is enough. this so called undefeated boxer is not really that good anyway. he is just well-known but not really a skilled boxer. he should be sent back to amateur boxing so his friends from the olympic committe could test him, his uncle and fraud sr, i mean floyd sr. they don't have any credibility to dictate their terms when in fact pacman don't need them at all. fraud jr, i mean floyd jr whom are you going to bluff next time? by the way, margarito wants to fight fraud jr, i mean floyd jr and he is going to say let my dad wrap him and my uncle is the one going to give him his water.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:35:45 PM
oneal:  A "head game aimed at interrupting Pacquiao's training and preparation;" that is a pretty fanciful notion, right from Bob Arum's imagination. Floyd Mayweather would be subject to the same drug testing regimen as Pacquiao. He isn't afraid of having his training and preparation interrupted or even being tested on the day of the fight, but Pacqauiao, a warrior in the ring, according to reports is superstitious, afraid that giving a teaspoon of blood (too close to the fight) would compromise him. It is an excuse so transparent that it is worthy of ridicule. Floyd Mayweather isn't asking Pacquiao to do anything unreasonable; he's asking him to subject himself to a comprehensive drug testing regimen, which Nevada does not provide. The CEO of USADA, Travis Tygart, has said there are drugs that can only be detected through blood screening. That is a fact. He's not a member of Team Mayweather; he's an impartial party. That should be good enough for boxing fans as opposed to the ramblings of Bob Arum. Floyd Mayweather doesn't control USADA; it is ridiculous and disingenuous to suggest Floyd could use USADA to harass Manny Pacquiao. Pacquiao's reputation is at stake. Floyd Mayweather won't be the last fighter to insist that he undergo more comprehensive testing. His refusal is giving the impression that he has something to hide. Reasonable people with impartial minds cannot understand why the Phillipino Storm would be afraid of periodically donating a little blood and ensuring that the integrity of both fighters is beyond questioning.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:36:53 PM
kountedout:  no one ever called alex rodriguez a cheater but he cheated and he even denied cheating until there was no more he could hide. he eventually came out and told the truth. whats the difference between manny and A-rod? manny is no god! why can't you guys understand that. marion jones, ben johnson, roy jones, richard hall, fernando vargas, shannon briggs, shane mosley, lyle alzado, sammy sosa, mark mcgwire, shawn merriman, florence griffith, antonio pettigrew, tommy morrison, jose canseco, 40 chinese swimmers since 1990 have failed the drug test.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:37:19 PM
Smiley C:  The bout is not going to happen. Mayweather has chicken out. He is a no count coward. But not a bum seeking something that he didn't earn. He earned most of his props, but he should have gone ahead and earn this 40-million dollar a$$ spanking that Pacquiao was going to give him fo' sure!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:42:24 PM
Norman:  ARE YOU NOT READING THE ARTICLE? PLEASE READ AGAIN... "Team Mayweather not only wants to dictate that the protocol for the test be done more in depth for this bout than any of the two fighters' previous fights, they also want to dictate who does the testing. In essence they are saying Pacquiao submitting to being tested isn't enough. For it to be authentic and legit he must submit himself to the drug testing that we (the Mayweather faction) deem legitimate."
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:43:25 PM
kountedout:  things are very easy to get in the philippines, there is a Mercury pharmacy in Makati City, they sell juice there. money talks in the Philippines very easy to find. its easier to find people in the gym who sell I know someone who bought sustanon 250 for about 1000 pesos or 20 bucks a vial. you can also get by prescription I have a friend knows this doctor who gives him prescriptions.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:48:26 PM
Bill:  Everyone knows right now Floyd cant beat any elite fighter in his weight division!! hahaha this proves it!!! Come on Floyd just accept the 3 Blood Tests!! What your demanding is rediculous!! Hey you can have as many urine samples you want!! Pac is relaxed and enjoying christmas I doubt it if he's pumping up himself with HGH hahaha. He doesnt even know what steroid is. He thought it was an Arcade Game hahaha!!None of Freddy Roach fighters takes steroids None of Ariza's trained atheletes take steroids. All 2 are connected to the success of Pac and I'm guaranteed they arent giving steroids to Pac. If you accuse pac your also accusing them!! ROACH and ARIZA are the most honest people you can ever meet!! Nobody here is pointing out this FACT!! So rant and rave all you like Floyd! Pac is innocent and your lookin like a fool everyday!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:48:48 PM
hfortu:  Doing the test a day before and doing it immediately after the fight are the same since the result will still be out only after the fight is done. So what's wrong floydie? Got chicken heart?
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:53:57 PM
badui:  when mayweather called out pac,he's just acting brave..now he's close to signing he's trying his best to get out.....pac is on the negative side now,but when everything falls down,pac and gayweather signs another opponent, mayweather's gonna get his ass reaped again by the media coz he'll be picking a stepping stone opponent!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:53:57 PM
dgamojr:  It's hard to imagine that the Nevada commission didn't even bother to give their side on this issue. The worse part there are people in the boxing world that over rule the governing body and have the guts to impose a double standard. Shame on them! To all morons incl Mayweathers & co., roids believers etc. The link might help you to comprehend the situation based on facts not on false accusations and hearsay. www(.)sportingnews(.)com/blog/The_Rumble/entry/view/48832/is_pacquiao_impossible?why_steroid_accusations_are_baseless
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 07:57:12 PM
Twik:  Kountedout has lost his mind. Pay that fool no attention. He is on crack. He named living and dead person taking steroids like he knows which type is forbidden. Just about every food and even the tap water in America have bits of latent steriods for enhancement of taste and stablization. More steroids will show up in Mayweather and he will claim that he is being framed. He loves KFC chicken. Those bird are full of steroids, They are what make Mayweather so scary.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:00:44 PM
Steve London:  Good article.well done writer. Few points made,I agree everyone has their own opinion,but it seems some are blindfolded or misguided. eg. DA VINCI regarding Marquez,u forget to mention Marquez moved 2 weight divisions to fight mweather.That mweather postponed the fight due to "injury",(yeah right) Which left Marquez waiting around having overtrained.mweather then came in 2lbs over the agreed weight,(yes not a cheat)U cannot compared Pacquiao now and when he fought Marquez.Should he fight Marquez now,Pacquiao will destroy him in 5 rounds. Its great to hear mweather fans talk so highly of him.But greatness is measured on who u fight,not by calling urself great. So name me 5 top fighters mweather has fought?name me any top welterweight mweather has fought?give me 5 of mweather most entertaining fights? Mweather is a coward,cheat and a thief. He wont fight Pacquiao,but he will go to England and fight that ALL TIME GREAT Mathew Hatton.Who he's been training for since early December. But its ok,in a few years mweather will be broke,running on the streets of Grand Rapids,just as his dad has predicted. Lastly De La Hoya should shut his f ***** mouth.he has lost to every top fighter he went against,faked injury against Hopkins as to not to take a beating.Took a beating against a small Pacquiao only now try to discredit him.And fools talk about De La Hoya being in Hall of Fame? what for?selling fights? I didnt know that is how u get into Hall of Fame. .
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:05:29 PM
erniepep:  Who is Floyd Mayweather? Is he presently a champion? Does he have a legitimate belt or just merely a challenger? The way I see Floyd, in collusion with GBP, as blatantly arrogant, making his own rules thereby negating NSAC of their authority over boxing regulations. Are Floyd and GBP above NSAC when it comes to boxing regulations? As to Pacman rise up to welterweight from Featherweight 2 years ago, if you see the details of how he weighed at that time, you could clearly see that he weighed 130 lbs. but on fight night he would weigh 144 lbs. Even with Cotto, he still weighed around 148lbs. on actual fight a 4lbs. difference from featherweight division he used to weigh. The fact that he never tested positive in his entire career is a testament that he is living a clean life. The only two natural weapons that he possesses are his power and lighting speed and how delivers them in odd angles and being a sharpshooter.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:11:31 PM
roy pajares:  i know beforehand that 'lil floyd doesn't really want to fight manny pacquiao... it was just unfortunate that floyd's dare got a positive response from manny... The former's problem now really is how to get out of the fight.....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:18:26 PM
jb santos:  guys, boxing officials has their measure with regards to that testing why should that change, are we saying that, mayweather are more intellectual than those of boxing officials, though i believe mayweathers are more knowlegeable with regards to drugs . rules should be rules. do what the rules says if something has to be done out of the rules, the rules should be revised nor amended first. it is not pacquiao is using any prohibited drugs, it is principle that they are standing for...
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:20:14 PM
boxing:  pacquiao always follow the nevada commission, mayweather is no nevada commission. mayweather is just a boxer, not the commission. this olympic style drug testing has never been done before in boxing, then why now? if you bite on mayweathers countless demands, its as if you jumped out of a 30-storey building if mayweather tells you to do so. so in short mayweather is afraid. common mayweather LETS GET IT ON...
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:22:07 PM
Porkupine:  Frank's showing his age here. Floyd is as good as all those guys before him, It's not hard to imagine Floyd hanging with those guys, maybe even beating them. He just needs to step up and fight the best in his weight class. If the Pac fight goes away we should demand he fight Paul Williams or Sugar Shane should he beat Berto.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:24:14 PM
El Pollo Diablo:  Mayweather Jr. vainly attempts to paint Pacquiao as a cheat - let me ask you this: Who was 2 POUNDS HEAVIER than what was supposed to be the catch weight limit for his last fight, that was also 4 POUNDS HEAVIER than the smaller Marquez??? Shove that FAIR PLAY BS into your @$$!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:25:23 PM
PBF SCARED:  Contrary to some crybabies comments,If who will watch Pacman in PPV, for sure millions of people still watch him because he is exciting, entertaining and full of action. The real question is Who will watch Lil Floyd in PPV? LOL! Everytime he fights is boring aint worhed! anyway i'm british we watch Pacman's fights all the time, Ricky the hitman said Lil Floyd is kind of fighter that you will not get up early just to watch him fight..LOL
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:37:15 PM
OPK:  Same old story for Money Mayweather trying his best to derail the most anticipating fight of the century. Its not new for mayweather to slick for all his defining fights. Ask mosley, margarito and williams. If hes man enough, he should not hide aback of the PED escape attempt to say the fairness of the fight. Nobody would beleive him because he has done that before, coming overweight at weigh-in with marquez. Although, idiots and casual boxing fans might still believe him (mayweather).
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:39:40 PM
oskar:  kountedout…Yeah true you can get illegal drugs in the Philippines even in America you can get it and in any given country as long as you are with “the bad company” you'll have resources. Pac who is a devoted Christian, I know for a fact that he is with the good company but what about the Mayweather clan, I absolutely doubt it and still more people believe what a crack head is saying who’s obviously from a dysfunctional family rather that a guy who helped half a country. I seriously pity Floyd jr if this fight happens; he’s going to face the most dangerous version of Pac.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:44:46 PM
This is all a joke...:  Here's a simple question for anyone with half a brain. Why won't Floyd agree to blood testing immediately following the fight? If there's anything in Pacquiao's blood, it will be remain for a minimum of 48 hours and more likely for up to 2 wks. Floyd has no plans of having this fight and that simple fact is the smoking gun.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:47:13 PM
royce:  Excellent article. It truly captures the dynamic of what really is occurring. Manny hasn't refused testing, he just doesn't like being at the beck-and-call of Floyd Mayweather, especially since Manny has a spotless past, there is no reason to be suspicious.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:51:39 PM
cj:  If Mayweather claims to be the best then he must fight Pacman. If he wants the Random Style Blood testing, then i suggest it should be done to all the pro fighters from now on. His statements are an insult to the existing system and should not be tolerated. Mayweather is so scared of Pacquiao that he'll do everything to duck him. I think Mayweather should not dictate the terms and let the existing system play itself. I don't think he's trying to get into Manny's head because I believe Pacman got to him first by agreeing to the fight date (March 13). Mayweather thought that the date was too early for Pacquiao to fight but he got the surprise of his life when Pacman agreed to it. Right now Mayweather is backpedalling and defending himself from what could be a serious beating he's ever gonna take in his whole boxing career. But I think Pacman also has his own strategy and once again Mayweather will get another big surprise when Pacquiao will agree to the Olymic style drug testing. I don't know if there are any other excuses he can come up with..
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:58:41 PM
kountedout:  yeah your right, you can get illegal drugs in other countries. but you cant get illegal drugs across the counter. i hope manny is a devoted christian however hes human and he can make mistakes. floyd is definitely from a dysfunctional family. does that mean that we should take mannys word on that? how many priest are sexually molesting kids? its okay for you to believe manny and i respect that but i dont and i know he is not clean. i hope if they do meet manny brings his A game but i dont think his best game will be enough. he dont have the skills to match floyd. thats like saying vinny pazienza had the skills to beat roy jones, jr.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:59:28 PM
kountedout:  salt lover, ultimoshogun, boxing fan, eastar, brownsugar,ben o'conner,master snake, tdogg, willyam,smoke, its been a pleasure exchanging comments with you guys...hope you and your families have a MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:00:32 PM
alexandr hermann:  The Mayweather/GBP camp torpedoed the fight of the century. It's them that put the Nevada State Athletic Commission in bad light.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:02:16 PM
vic a.endriga:  there should be no more further discussions. team mayweather and golden boy are unreasonable. pacquiao and top rank should move on. it is useless dealing with people who are not sincere in concluding the talks on mutually fair conditions. the other side is dictating what they want. they are acting like they are the authority in boxing. the point is clear. pacquiao has never been found using illegal substances in all his boxing career. the mayweathers are simply making a wild accusation with no basis at all. why glorify an unsubstantiated claim. the boxing world should return to its senses. forget about mayweather. pacquiao not fighting him will not kill boxing itself. arum is right. the trash talk must stop.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:02:34 PM
entradero:  Lance Armstrong was tested hundreds of times, the French were never satisfied, How could an American dominate the tour de France.How could Manny dominate boxing in different weights. Frazier,Ali,Foreman, Tyson, Hollyfield, Sugar Ray, Hearns were never subjected to this kinds of allegation. MANNY IS CLEAN, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF EVIDENCE, NOTHING AND YET DE LA HOYA SAYS THAT SINCE MANNY WILL NOT SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THEIR CHOSEN OLYMPIC TESTING THEY CONTROL THAT MANNY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. THE FACT THAT THE TEAM MAYWEATHER ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS FLOYD TELLS ME THAT THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO BRING DOWN MANNYS ACCOMPLISHMENT. IF FLOYD HAD BEEN THE SUBJECT OF THIS ALLEGATIONS, NAACP WILL BE INVOLVED.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:04:34 PM
SALT lover@Kountedout:  Hehehehehehe, same to you, dude. Have a great time these next two weeks, and a pleasant vacations. See next time 'roun' here. Peace man.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:04:47 PM
rudge:  Floyd is really S C A R E D
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:07:18 PM
Kasmot (Pinoy):  Mayweather truly afraid to fight Pacquiao He is the only boxer who requested Manny Pacquiao to have a blood test. How about those previous fight of Manny are they fake? You can see from the previous fight that Manny Pacquiao swolen his right ear having bruise on his face If you hit Manny he will be knockout too. WHY NOT BOTH OF THE FIGHTERS DO THE TEST IN THE SAME TIME AT THE SAME PLACE LET'S THE WORLD WATCH FOR IT!!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:08:12 PM
Kasmot (Pinoy):  COMING SOON!!!! MAYWEATHER TURNS TO BADWEATHER :-)
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:10:56 PM
ERIK:  EXCELLENT WRITE-UP, AND LET ME POINT THAT USADA HAS STRONG AFFILIATIONS WITH GOLDEN BOY AND MANNY AS WELL AS MILLIONS OF FANS SEE THIS AS VERY FISHY! WHY DON'T FLOYD AND GBP LET ANOTHER INDEPENDENT AGENCY LIKE THE NBA, MLB, NHL DRUG AGENCY TO CONDUCT THE TEST. ARUM IS RIGHT, USADA CAN TAMPER WITH MANNY'S URINE AND BLOOD SAMPLES, AND MANNY CAN'T RISK THAT.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:16:37 PM
Mitch:  Lets be fair. Mayweather wanted to fight at 154lb but since Manny wanted 147lb, he agreed. Mayweather wanted 10oz gloves but since Manny wanted 8oz, he agreed. Mayweather also agreed to the $10 million over weight penalty. Now Mayweather wants Olympic style testing. Shouldn’t Pacman agree. Come on guys! Manny has to give up something. Isn’t that what NEGOTIATION is all about? It can’t all be on Manny’s terms. Right? I think that the Mayweather camp is trying harder than the Pacman camp to make this fight. Also, testing Manny after the fight is good but not good enough. Because if he Pacman were to win and he tests positive afterwards, the damage is already done. Look at Miguel Cotto. He was an excellent fighter, got cheated by Margarito, and hasn’t been the same since. We all deserve a fair fight and no matter how much you dislike the Mayweather’s, I’m sure you’d prefer to see Floyd beat fair and square. Or do you not care as long as he loses? If that’s the case, you’re not a true boxing fan.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:16:52 PM
Edgar A. de Dios:  I am very sad there are some American writers who are really bias in favor of Floyd. They are now turning the blame on Pacquiao for not acceding wholly to Floyd's antics. Remember that Manny has already said he is willing to take the blood test 3 times, in early January during the presscon, 30 days before the fight (2nd week of February), and a few minutes or an hour after the fight. What more do you want Pacquiao to do. For a champion to do what the challengher demands is for me outrageous, but Pacquiao is doing it out of his humility as a person. There is only one meaning to this, Mayweather will never face a fighter who has a chance of beating him, period.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:19:01 PM
tsignal:  Manny accomplished a feat that a lot of us can only dream of. He has also grazed many magazines for being the best athlete/best boxer/most influential person in the whole world. Floyd must be really envious at Manny for all of these accolades. For these, he has a place in boxing history already, a lock Hall of Famer. Manny doesn't have to do anything, while Floyd has to do more to prove his worth. He earned a lot of money that he doesn't even know how to spend them. I don't know with Floyd. If I were Manny, I say 60/40 on my favor. If Floyd doesn't agree, no deal. Floyd needs the fight and purse more than Manny. Manny has a lot more options, too. GO MANNY.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:22:19 PM
chip:  This fight was killed by Mayweather, no one else. By insisting on an unreasonable drug testing just to satisfy his curiousity, he gave Manny ( who is not obliged to submit to such testing but who has graciously offered a reasonable compromise just to appease Floyd's and Oscar's bloodthirstiness, but which was in turn rejected by GBP as though they dictate the terms of this negotiation) no choice but to turn elsewhere for another challenger. Floyd, you're forgetting you're the challenger, man, you're not in a position to dictate terms. Manny doesn't need you, you need him. You don't fight him, you're the loser. You'd be the loser anyway, but at least you'd have a fighting chance if you fight him. It's because no one wants to see your boring fights. You don't generate excitement as Manny does who never disappoints. What did these jokers expect from Manny with their unreasonable position on drug testing? Did they think that now they had him cornered he had no choice but to give in to their whims? Come on, be real. First of all, they're the ones who picked and contacted the testing body without Manny's consent, and wouldn't consider any other testing body as suggested by Arum as a compromise. Now, there's something fishy there. If I were Manny, I'd be suspicious too. When they rejected Arum's suggestion, that makes their choice of a testing body, tainted, man. This is not the only testing body capable of finding PEDs. There are others equally capable, and some were suggested by Arum. And they were flatly rejected, which is an insult to their competence, like they insulted the Nevada Commission's. Now that's very suspicious. These jokers have no monopoly on suspicions. Manny can have them, too. Anything can happen with those tests. You never know, man. No one is beyond reproach, especially if picked by cheater Mayweather and his dopey father. I wouldn't trust these crackers with my underwear. What these jokers are doing, including sour-graping dela Hoya, is they're trying to sway public opinion against Manny, and they find that they can't do it. Instead, they find that it's against them. They think that if Manny doesn't accede to their unreasonable whims, that proves that Manny has something to hide, and people will be rallying to their side. No way, man. First of all, it doesn't prove that Manny has something to hide and ergo all his previous victories will be questioned. It's because Manny is amenable to blood-testing, not just the way these jokers want it done, which is more than enough to find PEDs, if there are any. If Manny says random testing would affect his preparation physically, and especially mentally, then that's his prerogative and his wishes should be respected, and not ridiculed as these morons are doing. That's the way he is, you can't do anything about that. You don't say he's in a bloody sport or has tatoos, and shouldn't be afraid of needles or a little blood. There's a lot of difference, like when a tough guy would be afraid of spiders. If there's no other way of testing, his position would be untenable. But there is, and there are, and they have been found to be equally effective. And Manny is quite willing to submit to them. But no, Floyd and Oscar would have none of them. Talk about unreasonable! Secondly, Floyd can't sway public opinion against Manny because he's the most hated man in boxing. After this fiasco, Manny will still thrive and go on to greater glories, while Floyd will fade in obscurity and oblivion into a black hole(not unlike his precious zero) along with the Golden Boy who lost all his big fights. The only thing people will remember about Floyd is as a boxer who ducked the best. While Manny will be remembered as one of the very best. Floyd wants an out, Manny will give it to him, and go on to saner and more worthy endeavors and his millions of fans will support and cheer him. Not so with Floyd.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:23:31 PM
oskar:  kountedout... Your misinformed even in America and other countries you can get illegal drugs across the counter. I guess you also don't know that steroid is also used to cure asthma. All drugs are illegal if misused you can get sleeping pills on the counter but if you abused it it's illegal drugs. If by statistics I can say there are more good priest rather than bad and from your own words they're also human but I would still believe there are more good people in a good company rather than bad and like wise there are more bad people in a bad company rather than good.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:25:29 PM
Fe'Roz :  F-Lo, I agree and have done so from day one that Manny has many more options than Floyd. We differ only in that I believe that he can (and I think should) tell Floyd to pound that Las Vegas sand. Any Pacquiao fight would be an event. With his legacy sealed and his dynamic fighting style the straw that stirs boxing's drink, he does not need Mayweather. Floyd, on the other hand, must either fight a 'threatening' opponent or continue to seal his legacy as one who avoids more than he confronts. Manny should call his bluff. Floyd would have a choice. To fight for less money and more danger. Or retire. Remember this is the man that walked away from a second enormous payday....and possible shot at losing his 'O'.... with ODLH. I think it is absolutely within the realm of possibility that he can and will do so again. The public be damned. The only thing that will ultimately motivate him is the money ....and/or the IRS. And then wouldn't it be sweet justice if he played his hand one time too many. And Manny had moved on.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:27:51 PM
Luis Torjuillo:  Can't the blood be drawn right after the bout is finished? or the minute after PBF gets knocked down?
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:28:18 PM
macho:  Floyd is really a devious guy. He is in a win-win situation with his demands. If Pacquiao agrees to the "test" he will be psychologically affected during fight time. If Pacquiao remains firm on not taking the test, Floyd will have an excuse if he loses to Pacquiao. Pacquiao will be accused of juicing with PED. In reality, it is unjust to accuse Pacquiao because he is innocent until proven guilty. It is unfortunate that citizens of this great country is accusing a former poor boxer from a poor country of illegal because he exceeded the achievements of past and present greats.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:29:41 PM
toilco:  those who said that why cant pacquiao just do the test? helloooooo did just read that he is willing to take a blood test 30 days before the fight and right after the fight, whats the difference? floyd is making a way out, he is scared thats for sure, he is a disgrace to the sport. if pacquiao is using some illegal drugs, that drugs should still be after the fight, fuck floyd.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:35:34 PM
dj:  I wonder why mayweather didn't require such test during his bout with dela hoya or hatton.... or any other fighter he has fought..... it sounds like he is more serious of finding an exit rather then proving himself in the ring.....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:36:53 PM
Radam G -- Maligang pasko at maligong taon sa inyong lahat:  Team and Family Mayweather are harassing PacMan, just as the Republican and bigots harassed Asian-born-and-bred Prez Obama. Maybe because both are superbad, most-known-in-the-world southpaws. The Republicans stayed and still are all up in Prez O's grill making claims about his not being borne in U.S. American. A straight-up BIG LIE! There is nothing against the law in being whatever one wants to legally be. Family Mayweather are legally bull$hitters, clowns and pugilistic cowards. They know and don't believe that PacMan is on steroids. But they know that they can get rat-like-brained fanfaronades to follow them off cliffs of make believe to cover up Money May's fright of losing. Family Mayweather is in deep self-denial and hoped that Manny would draw the line with the Olympic-style drug testing, so that they could run away from the bout for a bit longer. Money May will eventually fight Pera Pac. However, I'm scared that Money May is going to really lose or get robbed before it happens. Metaphorically, Money May will become the boxing game's O.J. Simpson. And he will be gotten for getting away with murdering this megabuck showdown. Oh YUP! For murder, you can run, but you cannot hide. Karma will catch you and choke you out every time. If Money May doesn't come to his senses and fight in March and take his whipping and 40mil like a man, he will lose it forever. And after an embarrassing defeat possibly get a bout with PacMan for 4mil and the same butt whipping. Holla!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:36:53 PM
Ralph:  My God! Packy has already issued he would be tested! 3 TIMES during the whole course of it and by BLOOD! The most crucial thing, I believe is being tested right after the fight. Can you tell the "roids" to stop acting immediately after the fight? no! what a sham, what a sham.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:41:12 PM
OPK:  The boxing community rightnow cant just understand why the Pacman is doing all of this unusual stuff. Lets segregate it: Manny Pacquiao, current P4P king, current IBO/ring magazine junior welterweight champion, current WBO champion of the world, seventh world titles in as much as seven diffrent weight divisions, 2008-2009 fighter of the year, Time magazine man of the year, 2008-2009 athlet of the year, best KO of the year with Hatton (rnd 2), ranked # 13 of the top 25 most influencial people of the world, endorser of nike etc.,local singer and artist(WAPAKMAN now showing),charity movements,and many more..... How about Flambouyant Floyd Jr? Almost all of his acheivements are FORMER! Former five division world champion, fomer P4P champion, undefeated thru cherry picking and known for ducking of opponents, cheating thru disobedience of contracted rules (coming in overweight for advantage purposes), all time braggart/loudmouth athlet of the world,current "O" tilte, and many more. Now you know why the PACMAN is doing this unusal things?: Conclusion, Manny Pacquiao just want to DICTATE all the terms because he has EVERYTHING and Money Mayweather has absolutely NOTHING at all.. All the mayweathers do is to ENVY and ACCUSE on all the Pacman's accomplishments....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:47:37 PM
trueboxingfan:  If you seriously analyze the true "MOTIVE" of PBF,It's "CRYSTAL CLEAR"... He does'nt want to fight a 100% FOCUSED,FERROCIOUS and well prepared "PUNCHER" like Pac on fight night for the "FEAR" of getting "KO'ed"......That's why he is pushing for random blood test(up to 7 times)during "INTENSE TRAINING"and even on the "WEIGH IN"that will "WEAKEN" Pac,lose FOCUS since it's already PROVEN in the Morales-Pac 1(where Pac lost due to blood extraction before the fight)... Everybody knows the STYLES of both fighters...a VOLUME PUNCHER like PAC needs to be in TOP FORM and 100% condition physically and mentally..while PBF will just only "RUN",potshots and be DEFENSIVE all night.... To settle the dispute,the most brilliant and most accurate drug testing available with US's most advanced technology,"Hair Sampling".....painless,more convenient for both fighters and most important:it wont distract them during "INTENSE TRAINING".. That is if PBF or GBP truly demands for a clean and accurate drug tests
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:53:23 PM
JoeS:  What a mess what Mayweather did. When He fought De La Hoya He should ask for this testing too, and the same thing to all He fought with. Now every fighter in this whole wide world can ask for special testing. I mean any from Klistko to Khan or any fighter out there. Since the Nevada Commission may be unreliable after all the previous fighter may have cheated the system. Now, all of you fighter who lost, you can claim that you compromise.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:55:43 PM
ARRIOL443@:  ON MAYWEATHERS 40 WINS DID HE GIVE BLOOD SAMPLES??? IF NOT WHY ASK FOR IT NOW. UNLESS HE GOT AWAY ON SOMETHING. IF I WERE MANNY I WILL TOTALLY KILL THE FIGHT AND LIKE (JUDAS) LET FLOYD W. BE DAMNED FOR ALL TIME OF BOXING.......
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:57:16 PM
joah:  It only shows Manny Pacquiao is reaaly using illegal drugs, Floyd exposed the best fighter of all time ...hahaha no doubt
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 09:59:08 PM
Jijioj:  Packy agree with blood testing after the fight at locker room and if they find out someting in in his blood , then he will fine $30 million.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:06:26 PM
Fe'Roz @ Radam :  Wouldn't that be sweet justice.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:17:32 PM
RICHARD:  OOOOOOOOOPS,.. JUST GET THE DONE DEAL FLOYD..
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:21:49 PM
saldy:  The best article so far written on the subject. I like the the way Frank put it when he writes that it would be pretty gullible to believe what Mayweather is "playing to sway the boxing media and public in trying to convince them that it is he who really wants the Pacquiao fight, but it's being held up because Manny can't pass a stipulated drug test". Unfortunately, there are so many gullible people out there - some countrymen of Pacquiao included.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:26:14 PM
Mac :  Floyd is making pro boxing looks stupid he is making the Nevada Athletic Commision looks stupid. He is making his own rules. The Ego is bigger than planet earth. Pacman had never appeared positive to any drug testing and all of the fighters have undergone the same procedures everytime the fight is to be held in Vegas and Pacman is no exception. Refusing to get your blood drawn days before the fight is a valid reason. Pacman is willing at least 30 days before or after the fight. And who is Mayweather and De Lo Hoya to change the rules of pro boxing and to question the credibility of not only the Nevada athletic commision but also the state of Nevada?. If Americans would let this jokers made a fool of their organizations, then it is simply saying that DLH and PBF are above the law and will continue to get hold of pro boxing in their neck. Get real people! you know that these jokers are just using these organizations as a scape goat! They are simply afraid of losing to pacman. PBF is the remaining ace of DLH card and he cant afford to lose it.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:26:33 PM
ralph:  Floyld Mayweather is scared… and that’s for sure, and his Mayweather senior knows about it. Remember when Senior said some few weeks ago that a fight with Manny Pacquaio would be a very easy fight for Floyd. He also said that Manny is one dimensional fighter and doesn’t know how to move his head.. Well I tell you Mr. Floyd and Senior Mayweather… Manny does not only knows how to move his head , but also to use it… unlike you. If you really think a fight with the Pacman is easy, then why are you now asking so many condition like Blood test a day or 2 before the fight, which naturally a condition with everybody knows may prejudice the fight? Why not make a condition that the blood test be conducted a month before the fight and 15 minutes after the fight? Logically, if Mayweather Jr and Senior are really rational animal, then since according to them, a fight with the Pacman is an easy fight for them, then, and since the Pacman has passed all previous Medical test conducted by the Nevada commission, then why not fight Pacman without much condition? Why are you now asking for fairness, when during the fight with Marquez you were not fair, where is the sportsmanship there? Mayweather, we are not Morons and we do understand your situation, you are really AFRAID of Pacman, because you know that you will be beaten come after the fight.Stop making conditions that are not fair… Pls stop being a stupid moron Mayweather, because if you not, you will just wake up with a LIBEL case filed against you especially if Pacquiao passes the Blood test for the fight, with you losing all the millions you have in your bank… so pls Mayweather, just accept the truth.. you are afraid facing the Pacman… your heart knows it and millions and millions of people knows it. Have a sense of decency.. because just in case you didn’t know, almost all of the true boxing fans all over the word are really laughing at you, especially at your stupid antics… pity your self and stop making excuses…. Be a man and stand like a man….
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:39:35 PM
REX:  USADA is BIASED NEVER TRUST ON THEM.....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:40:57 PM
kangaroo:  This is just a ploy mayweather is trying to employ just to gain more advantage. To disrupt pacquiao's training and get into his head. For Pacquiao, its psychological, he feel's weak after a blood test is done on him and it takes a few days for him to recover. He believes that doing something to your body in any shape or form takes away something from him. Physically he may not be afraid of it, but its his psyche or brain (his beliefs on certain things) dictates his body. People in the medical field will tell you, that the human mind can dictate or help the body recover on its own. If you really think it is, your body will follow. And since its random, this can get pacquiao in a huge dis advantage. People can say what is the difference, he wants to take blood test in Jan. anyways? Is he hiding something? But if you are ignorant of the things I mentioned earlier you wont get it. That is why in the medical field we take into account cultural background and their beliefs and encourage family support to strengthen the patient's spirits and psyche to recuperate. this will be putting pacquiao into a huge disadvantage. this is not basketball, baseball or swimming but a combat sport and your mind has a lot to do with it. It is a sport where your own perception your physical strength really matter. just take this as an example, when you go for a jumpshot with hesitation chances are you wont make it compared when your confident of making it. Most experts will tell you there is minute or no difference between a blood test and urine test. Some studies will even tell you, the urine is more accurate and preferred because it traces more banned substances compared to what a blood test will yield. Pacquiao has even agreed for even a daily submission of urine specimen add to that the three blood test he is willing to take as long as it not during his training period. does that look his hiding something? He prefers a non-invasive in short. why not take hair samples instead, which a more accurate. On record, it is those athletes in developed countries that are more often than not users of these PED's. should mayweather insists, pacquaio should also request for fight day weigh in to negate the advantage he is trying to get and let's see if he really wants to fight. Otherwise pacquiao can forget this fight and move on.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:41:54 PM
Frank Z:  it's kinda funny to see the double standard on mayweather vs. pacquiao at work here. in essence it's pacquiao complaining aobut the conditions of the bout here. i do tihnk it's ridiculous for the drug testing to be any different from a normal big ppv fight, but imagine if mayweather had balked at something like this,for whatever reason, people would be all over him for being a diva and being a ducker. people seem to think that just cuase manny smiles more and throws more punches and talks no trash that he's somehow an angel. oh well, i shouldn't complain, it'll help bring more attention to this fight.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:42:40 PM
Fe'Roz @ Frank Z:  If anyone balked at a "ridiculous" request, I would defend him. As one reader (on another site) asked so eloquently and I paraphrase: If Floyd Mayweather was asked to take random colonoscopies to see if he was full of sh*t and refused.... would that mean he has something to hide? Even if you would answer that with a 'Yes', I personally would not defend the 'ridiculous' question. Laugh maybe but defend not.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 10:58:46 PM
arem:  'twas enough that pacquiao agreed to blood testing a month before and immediately after the fight! why should mayweather demand such ridiculous battery of blood tests, anyway? this is PROFESSIONAL BOXING not the amateurs! GET THE FIGHT ON....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:01:31 PM
ifeo:  Team Mayweather is simply showing double standard. They will not require this test to other fighters. Pacquiao has been certified by the Nevada athletic commission as drug free and clean for all his last fights in Nevada. What more do you want? Floyd Mayweather as a champion is deemed questionable and tainted if he insist on this non-sense drug testing (out of commission). If he doesn't believe that the current testing by the professional boxing commission (State Commission) is enough. This also applies to Delahoya and all the boxing champions and greats the world has ever produced. Mayweather simply don't want to fight Manny.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:07:20 PM
mINd GaMeS:  Floyd bets the "BLOOD"... Pac should call the "BLOOD" and bets the "MONEY"... (BLOOD=Olympic Style Drug Testing in Favor of Floyd) (MONEY=75%-25% Split of the Purse in Favor of Manny) Pac weakness is "BLOOD". Floyd weakness is "MONEY". Fair is Fair Deal is a Deal.. That would be the solution to this spectacle. Option: 1cc of blood drawn from Pac =1M USD..
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:15:48 PM
DANIEL:  hair follicles specimen is more reliable than blood. or let the expert decide... if it takes ages for the result to came.. put in the contract that IF PACQUIAO CAME OUT POSITIVE HE WILL BE PENALIZE 20 TO 30 MILLION... AND IF CAME OUT NEGATIVE MAYWEATHER CAMP SHOULD PAY THE SAME AMOUNT TO PACMAN FOR THE DAMAGE THAT THEY BROUGHT...............................................
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:20:35 PM
oskar:  Pacquiao earned people's trust time and time again while Floyd jr. well if he earned yours well good for you, I guess you like loud mouths who talks s***... Pacquiao will going to prove something again this time with this fight against Floyd jr.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:29:23 PM
nicholsjet:  I told you so.... THE FIGHT WON'T HAPPEN !!! Now let's move on!!!! I want Bradley or Marquez (but he's from GBP)
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:32:32 PM
Fe'Roz :  Hold the presses !!! According to Boxingtalk , Arum has just said that lawyers for Manny Pacquiao are about to slam Floyd Jr, Floyd Sr. and GBP's CEO (Schaefer) with a libel and slander suit. Well done Floyd.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:37:18 PM
Fe'Roz :  ROLL the presses. Now Arum says he is open to arbitration and testing supervised by Keith Kizer and the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:44:11 PM
Frank Z@ Fe'Roz:  and that's fine, the request is ridiculous and just a way to get into pacquiao's head, but pac's fanatics are gonna completely skip over the part about it being pacquiao's refusal to begin with, and point to floyd being scared even though pac's the one complaining.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:46:03 PM
Frank Z@ oskar:  uh... well, neither of them have my trust really, i don't really know either one of them, haven't hung out much with them and all....
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:47:13 PM
oskar:  Frank Z... Yeah you don't know them but you chosen a side which to believe and from your comment I guess you believe mayweather's do you trust what they've said about Pacquiao is true? I guess you can't decide because you need to hung out with them first.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:22:38 AM
Isaiah:  Man, I was looking at the dictionary today to find the definition of POSER (so I could try to explain it to Mayweather fans) and ironically enough, I found that picture up top by it. Strangely, the picture was also by the words, FAKE, GREEDY, COWARD, WUSS, OVERRATED, HATER, FLEA, INSANE, CRACKBABY, SCUM, DELUSIONAL, MARSHMALLOW PUFF and GIRLYMAN. Did you know that Mayweather and Paulie Malignaggi go shopping at the Gap with eachother every weekend? Hey, just ask Mayweather. I'm accusing him of this, so it must be true!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:24:00 AM
Isaiah:  If they ever make another Ghostbusters movie, the StayPuft MarshMallow Man could get pointers from Floyd on how to keep on being soft.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:28:57 AM
levsky:  The objective of Mayweather Camp as far as this Olympic-style drug testing is concerned is to discredit Pacquaio and put doubts in the legitimacy of Pacquaio wins over hatton and Cotto. But it was proven 10 times in the past that Pacquiao passed the Nevada tests. And this fight is under the jurisdiction of the Nevada Commission, which has the authority to dictate who and when to administer drug tests to boxers. This rumor that Pacquiao is on steroid was cooked up in the mind of the 'humiliated' trainer Mayweather Sr., who was embarrassed worldwide when his boxer Ricky Hatton, was annihilated in just 2 Rounds by Pacquiao. Now, these Mayweathers plus Schaefer want to subject Pacquiao to an Amateur Drug Testing of that USADA. This is not Olympics. This is Boxing. This is not Amateur Boxing even, this is Professional Boxing. So, therefore such demand of Mayweather and even Schaefer must be rejected because it is improper, and even slanderous because they are implying that Manny is a dope user, without any actual evidence. Theses are all tantamount to defamation of Manny's honor as a professional boxer. The right way to do is not permit these Mayweathers dictate the manner of drug testing, but it must be the Nevada Commission that must administer this one. Mayweather is not above the rules of the Nevada Commission!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:30:53 AM
TO jacob filipino:  it's not about fear of blood test..simply countering the mind games of floyd....read again the article so you can answer your own question
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:36:49 AM
SALT lover@Isaiah:  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon, man. Why the hate? Did Floyd did somethin' to you, or anythin' like that? I mean, it's cool not to like someone, or an athlete, but damn man, that's just cold right there XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, have a great vacation time, dude! And a Happy New Year!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:42:45 AM
Butsoy:  Pacquiao is not refusing to be tested. What he does not want is blood draws close to the fight. Right or wrong, he believes that would weaken him. If there is no difference between how Pacquiao wants it and how the Mayweathers want it, why is the American's camp insisting? And why start this in the first place? Proven doper Mosley himself has not been subjected to this. Why Pacquiao? Just because he is incredible? Henry Armstrong himself was incredible decades before steroids were invented. You would not just do something I ask of you just because I would do it too, would you? Of course not. Unless you are an idiot.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:48:53 AM
DANIEL CHAN:  SORT OUT ANY OTHER TEST LIKE HAIR FOLLICLE TEST. I THINK ITS ALRIGHT FOR ALL OF THE FANS TO WAIT FOR THE RESULT EVEN AFTER THE FIGHT... AND IF THE RESULT IS POSITIVE, LET THE BOXING ASSOCAITION REVOKE MANNY'S LICENCE AND ERASE HIS LEGENDARY ACHIEVEMENT... BUT IF IT CAME OUT POSITIVE LET MAYWEATHER AND HIS CAMP.. PAY THE DAMAGE THAT HE BROUGHT TO MANNY... REVISE THE CONTRACT.....50/50 EACH, 10 MILLION PER POUNDS OVER 147, MGM GRAND HELD THE FIGHT AND LASTLY REVOKE MANNY'S LICENCE AND, FINE 20 TO 30 MILLION IF MANNY IS GUILTY OF USING DRUGS AND FINE MAYWEATHER 20 TO 30 MILLION FOR THE DISTROYING AND DAMAGING MANNY'S NAME... AND LET GO READY FOR RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... LOL
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:50:48 AM
louie:  lol....drug test......Pac agreed to the test.....he even agreed to have the test after the fight, if he is using PED then the best way to prove that is after the fight. Also Urine Test is the Best when it come to PED.....Gayweather is nothing, he just cherry picks when he fights. He avoided Shane Mosley, Cotto, Maragarito.......he fought Hatton....but hatton is also does a cherry picks on his fight. Mayweather is a disgrace on the black community. He is not a warrior....This is what I think.....Mayweather will not fight Pac because he knows that he will get the worst beating of his life.....in fact except for delahoya, Mayweather never fought someone anyone that has pure talent and strength.....delahoya should have won on that fight...to Gayweather, what a disgrace to the black community.....im disappointed brother.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:56:11 AM
RG -- MC 2 U USA -- @:  YES! YES! YES! HolLA!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:08:23 AM
Radam G:  That last was @ Fe'Roz. A day after Christmas in the Pilipinas, I stuff like a gift stocking -- too much egg nog and coconut juice and pande coco. Holla!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:13:05 AM
Radam G:  *I'm stuff...
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:14:41 AM
bernie:  US citizens support American soldiers because they are not cowards and are fighting for a cause. American people don't support cowards. look, agreed weight is 147 lbs.-mayweather's favor. glove size of his chosing-mayweather's favor. reach-mayweathers favor. boxing skill-mayweathers favor. and most of all the venue. anyway you look at it the venue shouldn't matter because it will be held on American soil. and he (mayweather) wants the American people to support him? this guy already avoided the feared welterweights of this time, he can avoid pacquiao now. i still believe he will win a fight with packy but he will be a bloody mess after getting a decision. and he doesn't want to risk that. a coward to the strong, a tyrant to the week.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:29:52 AM
i'll slap ya mother:  Another biased article from Frank Lotierzo, but who would expect anything different right? Listen, Floyd wanted both of them to be tested Olympic style which all athletes know is a way better process of testing to find drug and HGH.Most HGH's can't even be detected by urine tests which is all the Nevada State Athletic Commission(NSAC) does. It cant even detect cocain after 48-72 hours lol, its a joke. Everyone says Mayweather is accusing him, all he said was lets take this test, whats the big deal? Manny mad a bunch of demands and Floyd agreed fast!! Floyd wanted to use 10oz gloves which is the norm for a welterweight fight, Manny demanded 8oz glove that lightweights use, Floyd said OK! Floyd wanted a larger ring Manny want a small ass parking space, Floyd said OK! Manny said i want 10 million dollars for every pound you are overweight!! what did Floyd say?? OK!!! FLOYD SAID, "LET'S TAKE A LEGITIMATE DRUG TEST". WHAT DID MANNY SAY?? "FIGHTS OFF!!!" lol Their is way too many Mayweather haters out there because if you can find a way to blame Mayweather in this that is pure hate! If it was Mayweather who said "fights off if i have to take random blood tests" you would all declare him scared AND accuse him of being on drugs. So many hypocrites its ridiculous!!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:34:30 AM
KuPal:  I can't beleve how many people actually believe anything that ANY mayweather clan say. If Floyd really just want to even the playing field should he have fought Marquez @144lbs? Mayweather also said that he fought marquez because he was the first fighter to call him out well Mosley was the first fighter to call him out after his september fight. Floyd also said on the record that he will never fight mosley because of steroid allegation! WTF?!? Then why not submit Mosley to these off the wall demands? GBP is down with Olympic drug testing so im sure that Mosley would go thru with it since it his promotion company. So if your one of those gullible fans who believe everything Mayweather say then I suggest you invest on Filthy Rich Records cuz according to Floyd its the best music bitness there is!! -nuff sed
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:35:09 AM
EXAMINERAUTHOR:  After all the blahs blahs, everything boils down to the issue: Is Mayweather fearful of the PACMAN? YES is the resounding answer. PERIOD.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:37:01 AM
petrion:  ah, the rarified and genteel arena of boxing negotiations. i loved the colonoscopy thing. i would accept being shot by may,s body guards just to say that and see his face. best comeback of '09. my money is on pacman, hope he hangs tough and doesn't take bad contract.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:37:31 AM
I'll slap ya mother:  @examinerauthor- and where does this answer come from? especially when he signed first and waited days for Manny to comply then agreed to all of Manny's demands i.e. MONEY/RINGSIZE/GLOVESIZE/ and WEIGHT PENALTIES. So i ask...where does the fear come from? i would like to know.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:45:25 AM
jasil911:  Sir, If pacman do drug test it should be the same thing with FLOYD JR,3-5 blood test and 8-12 urine test.make sure they are the same page...mayweather jr he's just looking for advantages not MAN 2 MAN FIGHT....
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:53:34 AM
Isaiah:  @Saltlover as well as everyone else. Everyone have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Too be fair, one bad thing I'll say about Manny Pacquiao is the wanting 10 million dollars for every pound over is insane. He may as well asked for a billion. Cmon Manny, that just wasn't cool. On the other hand, a pile of random blood tests is just as unreasonable. Floyd, shouldn't 3 blood tests be enough? For both of them, quit trying to ruin this historic matchup!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 02:26:19 AM
tha roach:  manny is still ducking this fight....over some random blood test??? sure is actin GUILTY.....
Friday Dec 25, 2009 02:42:01 AM
Eastar:  Bum Arum said Pacgirl " freaks out " when he sees needles. Hahaha ain't that about a bi-atch lol. I think cheatuaio freaks out at the fact that he has to face 'Money' Mayweather in the ring without his "dope" lol. Freddy Cockroach makes all the excuses about cheatuaio being tested close to the fight and being weakened but it was never a problem for Miguel Coocho and Dela Hoya to drain themselves to make they're respective catchweights. I know trying to cut a couple pounds before a fight would make you weaker than losing a teaspoon of blood.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 02:53:04 AM
bongax:  mayweather should admit that they are afraid of pacman, heres suggestion they can get a blood sample to both boxers during fight time its really posible for drug test the blood coming from a punch they will collect the blood.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 04:36:10 AM
jonald_fenecios:  Lets make it clear: Manny is not avoiding the drugtest! He is willing to undego three drug testings, after the pre-conference, 30 days before the fight and right after the fight. Who the hell says he is avoiding these blood tests? Now, this is the most interesting part, why on hell Mayweather dictates that the USADA should conduct the blood tests? Why Mayweather now becomes so distrustful of NEVADA athletic commission? Mayweather is so smart! In reality, he does not want to fight the pacman and he will get out of it in a way that the Pacman appears as the unwilling fighter to fight him. So brilliant, Mayweather knows Sun Tzu's Art of War in and out! But Pacman has still the last laugh. HE CAN SUE MAYWEATHER FOR LIBEL AND DEFAMATION.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 05:18:45 AM
Isaiah:  Smells like a rotten EASTER egg in this site or in other words, chocolate duece from a chocolate bunny. A handful of you would HATE Manny Pacquiao if he ended world hunger, gave you a million dollars and rescued a kitten and a baby out of a burning building at the same time. I could see it now, someone would say, "Why didn't he do more?!" Why didn't you mention Ricky Hatton and Juan Manuel Marquez in that rant? Is it because Floyd wouldn't get within 50 feet of Cotto and Manny destroyed Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton as where Floyd's perfomances looked like a joke in comparision? Is it because you know Cheating Floyd's win over old, slow, Marquez at Welterweight holds NO merit?! See, the difference between me and you? There's proof Floyd is a dirty little cheater. Cmon man, be for REAL for once. Floyd wanted a Lightweight to agree to move up to an agreed Maximum of 144 pounds and still didn't make that. Floyd's the cheater. That's my PROOF right there in black and white. Where's your PROOF? Please enlighten me. I think I've been rather patient. I bet you if for any reason this fight doesn't go through, Floyd would still NOT fight Miguel Cotto who you've given such a great nickname to. I bet you wouldn't say that to his face. Go ahead and name me off Floyd Mayweather's WELTERWEIGHT resume compared to Miguel Cotto's. I could use a laugh. Oh wait, here's your argument for you. Well, DUH... Floyd has no losses. So does JCC JR. Whoop de doo!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 05:29:36 AM
al:  dear lil floyd... you are doing it again trying to win fights by not boxing, most of the time you do it by running around the ring, lately you are doign it even before fight night. Lil floyd... you have not prove anything....the most entertaining fight you have done is the marquez fight where you beat marquez not in the ring but during the negotiations and during weight in. You knew that marquez wont back out from the fight even if you demand a very high weight limit (145) and you knew he wont back out even if you exceed 145 (147), because you knew that marquez is fighting you because of money...and u took advantage of it... that was marquez's biggest weakness... it was money... For the hatton fight... you did not knock out hatton... he knocked himself out beacause of frustration of having to chase your coward ass around the ring. For the dela hoya fight, dela hoya won that... well it was close because he got tired again trying to chase you aroud the ring. For the other close fights you won on the score card... you won it just because the americans feel sorry for you just winning the bronze medal in the olympics. Now what are you doing now is that your again trying to beat pacquiao before fight night... you know that manny gets weak with blood...it may be physical or psychological.. but you know it... manny talked about it during the 1st morales fight when blood was extracted from him... he said he got weak... and we all know when manny gets cut, he again gets weak... i think is mostly psychological...but what's dirty is that lil floyd is trying to do it intentionally to weaken pacquiao. They can even get blood right after the fight but mayweather wont agree because by then he already would heve he's ass whiped....and probably if they get blood after the fight the only thing he can prevent is the post fight concert. Right now you are trying to beat pacquiao even before fight nign
Friday Dec 25, 2009 06:29:02 AM
Asnurf:  Floyd Mayweather Jr. is a certified coward boxer in the world . . . . . What a shame and pity . . . . .
Friday Dec 25, 2009 06:40:27 AM
bru:  floyd mayweather is plain and simple soooooooo afraid of manny...he wants a way out!!!go back to retirement floyd and sell mayweather chickens!!!baaaaak,bak,bak,bak..
Friday Dec 25, 2009 06:42:59 AM
julius:  great article. mayweather, al haymon, ellerbe, richard schaefer, golden boy dela hoya, et. al. are the highest form of hippocrites you can find in any sport. it is a good thing pacquiao is now suing them. want proof? just look at the statement of schaefer last 2008 regarding the mosley and judah fight. want more? just look at how honorable was mayweather and his psychopants in "honoring" his weight contract with marquez and paying the latter with a mere $600K just to keep his mouth shut. if these are the saviors of boxing, it better be dead.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 08:17:46 AM
red:  first of all nice article frank. i cant belive mayweather is doing this. and i cant believe dela hoya is helping floyd with this. are they greater than joe louis, robinson, armstrong, ali, tyson, etc that they can demand to change the rules whenever they want to. not even the greats had done it before us and now here comes somebody who fights smaller guys demand unnecessarily for additional tests. shame on you floyd. shame on you golden boy. you're are disgrace to boxing. pacman doesnt need steroids to win. he works doubly hard, prays hard and has a hard working trainer. period
Friday Dec 25, 2009 08:40:29 AM
boyarate:  not only that, mayweather also aims to take away pacquiao's advantage in power and the possibility of him being koed in the fight. if taking blood a day before would be like having sex a day before the fight, both of them would feel a little less than perfect at fight night, but pacquiao would take the worse effect since, mayweather would only be in survival mode the entire fight anyways. even though it looks fair if both of them gets blood at the same time, pacquiao would surely suffer the consequences more.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 09:11:39 AM
Teddy Q:  Pacquiao must sue the Mayweathers instead for libel, slander & maligning his character and will surely win tons of money without dropping a sweat. LMAO........
Friday Dec 25, 2009 09:14:49 AM
mortcola@Isaiah:  Thanks for the Christmas present. That was beautiful. Merry Christmas.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 09:32:49 AM
DODONG:  HAVING THE MAYWEATHER PROVE PACQUIAO'S GUILT IN THE COURT OF LAW IS PACQUIAO'S WAY OF COLLECTING $50 MILLION, DROP THE MAYWEATHER FIGHT TRAVESTY, MOVE ON AND WIN HIS 8TH WEIGHT DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP, WIN A CONGRESSIONAL SEAT AND CONTINUE WITH HIS HUMANITARIAN PROJECTS .IF MAYWEATHERS LOSE THIS LEGAL BATTLE (THEY PUT THEMSELVES INTO) WHAT IS NEXT FOR THEM? PACQUIAO CAN RETIRE AS ALL TIME GREAT STANDING UP FOR HIS PRINCIPLE.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 10:02:42 AM
pahkoy:  The reason why Manny P does not want to be submitted to the outrageous request of the other washed up boxer are as follows: this is a prof boxing match not an Olympic match, the Nevada state athletic commission should be the ones dictating the terms of the drug testing not the scared boxer,Manny P does not even know how to spell steroids or what it is until now (he is functionally illiterate ok)Other boxer is a hypocrite while Manny P values hard work and honesty..I think for a casual boxing fan, the other boxer just shows that he is scared to get into the ring with someone who has the potential to give him his first loss.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 10:28:26 AM
Ron P:  NIzzle, Eastar, et al, Mr. Arum suggested by way out of the impasse that the agency that does the test for the NFL,NBA and the Major League Baseball(professional sports) be used instead but schaefer and mayweather turned it down.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 10:44:01 AM
juniedv:  it was to a large degree a CULTURAL misunderstanding on pacquiao's part. pacquaio & company SHOULD HAVE FILED a law suit IMMEDIATELY against the mayweathers right after their very first statements to the media about alleged steroids use by pacquaio. because of the INACTION on pacquiao's part, these allegations have now taken a life of their own, as this is just (sadly!) part of the american culture today. as a consequence thereof, the mayweathers have taken advantage of this pacquiao inaction in the on-going negotiations for their proposed fight. EXAMPLE: here in america, let us say that out of the goodness of your heart and being just plain neighborly, you allow the next-door-neighbor to park his car on a part of your property continuously for five (5) years --and you do not charge any rent; after said five years, that neighbor can then LEGALLY! annex that part of your property where he has parked his car the past five years as his own property by filing a case in court. that is (simply) american law! very few non-americans know this, and 99% of all orientals very much less appreciate the implications of such a law, including pacquiao and the people around him. UNFORTUNATELY also, for most filipinos, taxing the judicial system by suing someone just because he is, for lack of a better term, a nincompoop like mayweather sr. is, just does not wash well. more so for someone who is a professional prize fighter in the macho world of boxing. and so now in some ways, the filipino has been boxed into a corner quite unfairly by the american media, who now begins to insist (insinuate) that if pacquaio does not agree to blood-letting, then he must be guilty of using banned substances. well then so be it. its just a pity that boxing loses big time. yet again. juniedv
Friday Dec 25, 2009 12:16:02 PM
Radam G -- ____ ____:  I'll slap ya mother, you ought to slap yourself. Mayweather verbally agreed to a fight with Manny, he never signed -- Manny did! Then after Manny signed, Money May came up wth the Olympic-style dope testing as a way to get out of the bout. This sucka is unethical. This is professional boxing, not Olympic-style boxing. And who said that the Olympic amateur ways of doing things are better than the professional ways. Money May is using amateurism to get out of this bout for the comsumption of his fans. He see and know that they are lacking in education. Education -- in its Latin origin -- literally means light up to see clearly. Money May has put his lower educated fans in a mudhole of darkness for him to controll. This way, he can pi$$ and $hit on your heads and tell you that it is raining and hailing, and when you tell him that it smell like pi$$ and $hit, he will tell you to shut the hell up! "That's rain and hail, like I said." By the way, why do you guys always outright and sneaky call yourself the N-word or use it. Blacks in my Pac Posse and family have hipped me to the 411. For instance, when blacks use the N-word in this Universe, it goes like this: "NICCA Please! And Ni99a Please! Fu*k you Ni99a. I find this behavior SHAMEFUL! And scroll up and check out the guy who outrightly used the N-word against Floyd. But I ain't hatin.' People don't like Pinoys and Asians for eating balut, kimshee or tuyod. And there are one or two self-hating Pinoys in the world. Holla!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:14:48 PM
Radam G -- ____ ____:  I'll slap ya mother, you ought to slap yourself. Mayweather verbally agreed to a fight with Manny, he never signed -- Manny did! Then after Manny signed, Money May came up wth the Olympic-style dope testing as a way to get out of the bout. This sucka is unethical. This is professional boxing, not Olympic-style boxing. And who said that the Olympic amateur ways of doing things are better than the professional ways. Money May is using amateurism to get out of this bout for the comsumption of his fans. He see and know that they are lacking in education. Education -- in its Latin origin -- literally means light up to see clearly. Money May has put his lower educated fans in a mudhole of darkness for him to controll. This way, he can pi$$ and $hit on your heads and tell you that it is raining and hailing, and when you tell him that it smell like pi$$ and $hit, he will tell you to shut the hell up! "That's rain and hail, like I said." By the way, why do you guys always outright and sneaky call yourself the N-word or use it. Blacks in my Pac Posse and family have hipped me to the 411. For instance, when blacks use the N-word in this Universe, it goes like this: "NICCA Please! And Ni99a Please! Fu*k you Ni99a. I find this behavior SHAMEFUL! And scroll up and check out the guy who outrightly used the N-word against Floyd. But I ain't hatin.' People don't like Pinoys and Asians for eating balut, kimshee or tuyod. And there are one or two self-hating Pinoys in the world. Holla!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:14:48 PM
kountedout:  a man stands to make over $40 million in one night, but suddenly feels offended about olympic style drug testing. not looking at the names, just at the sport like any other, those who actually participate in sports know that urine test is not so diffucult to cheat, from removing the urine with a catheter and inserting water or clean urine (ask bodybuilders) to cleaning the system beforehand to even damaging the sample with other products ingested. and even without that, look at cases like Sugar Shane Mosley. when did he test positive? Yet he admitted to using PED's. You have all these other sports that dont pay a fraction in a lifetime of competition of what manny and floyd stands to do that night, and they are subjected to olympic style random testing, and manny can't do it for one fight? for a guaranteed $25 milliom plus sponsors plus PPV? manny he is an ambassador of the sport, and if he cant man up and show the world hes for real, he is casting doubt upon himself and the sport. If hes clean, just prove it. If not, go join Mosley, Vargas, Margarito, Luis Resto, Chavez junior and the rest of the cheaters. he honestly cant expect the fans to believe the needle story and that a mere sample of blood leaves you weakened. If that were the case, how come Lance Armstrong had to give samples almost every day in competition and still won 7 tour de France? The needle story sounds like Arum cryin when Margarito got caught.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:21:58 PM
Fe'Roz :  FloydFans aka Manny haters are going to get backed into a corner of their own making as Manny gets prepared to file suit for slander and libel against Floyd, Floyd Sr and GBP's Richard Schaefer. Ricky Hatton's father has already stated his understanding and agreement with Manny's decision. Clearly, the Hatton family does not buy these fabrications and innuendo. Nor, from what I have read does Miguel Cotto, who by the way, said that he felt great at 145 and that Manny was simply much faster than he and his team had expected. No weight drained nonsense from this elegant pugilist. Add to this spectacle the hypocrisy of Golden Boy, who backed Shane Mosely (post BALCO) against Zab Judah when Judah requested independent monitoring and testing. Golden Boy's answer then: The Nevada State Athletic Commission testing was adequate. In boxing, at this point, you would have say that Manny is way head on points. In chess, we would say 'Check'. As an you a f*cked, Mate.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 01:51:57 PM
gratide:  Who could blame Pac for not ever fighting "fearweather "? PBF is the one that hand picks older , smaller fighters and refuses to fight the fighters his own size and "young lions ". PBF is the one that cheats , THE FANS ! He wants to be a HOF but he ducks the fights that would easily put him in the HOF and remove all doubt . Fight Mosely , P.Williams and I'm sure there are some others , if you truly want the respect and and admiration of boxing fans !
Friday Dec 25, 2009 02:08:49 PM
kountedout:  you are that much of a racist and a hater of floyd that you will say such words that floyd is backed into a corner when its totally the opposite. no one is questioning floyd. what is hattons father going to be a witness? bob arum is a filthy low life former attorney and all that is talk! manny aint suing nobody! you wanna believe whatever is said just so you can be happy with yourself. can i ask you a question? where did it began? was your father or mother a racist bc thats where its taught. it must really have you upset bc you are looking so bad that you have began to use curse words MISTER ROTY!! hahaha dont lose your cool you mister eloquent writer hahaha
Friday Dec 25, 2009 03:29:07 PM
Fe'Roz :  I just want to wish all of you the happiest and healthiest of Holidays and to tell you what a pleasure, joy and honor it is to share this space with so many of whom I consider the most passionate, informed, dedicated and caring Boxing Fans in this and any Universe. And a special thanks to Editor Mike and all of his exceptional writers. Peace
Friday Dec 25, 2009 03:30:57 PM
T:  The buffoon of make-believe and race-baiting is at it again. What a nutcase and a laugh! Santa Claus please give that fool a gift. Maybe a life. I pity the fool!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 04:29:41 PM
t doggy dogg:  I got to be straight-up honest. Yea, we call each other the N-word all the time. But nobody else better not do that. The mayweathers are compulsive users of that word. They are like me. So Black that they are blue but it's all love for my NUCCAS!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 04:49:09 PM
t doggy dogg:  Go to Youtube and hit "Pacquiao will have blood test ater the fight to test for steroids..." And see who the "racists" using the N word and cannot stand Mayweather look like. They visit this site often. Kountedout is posing. Ain't nothin wrong wif saying the N word ending in A, cause when you say it ending in E R you end up in the ER at the hospital. I'm a ni99a for Pacquiao. Mayweather better be scare.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 05:23:53 PM
walking TIM:  The Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. showdown, billed as the fight the world wants to see, will remain a dream. Top rank promoter Bob Arum yesterday said the fight, set on March 13 at MGM Grand, is off following the two camps’ dispute on the Olympic-style drug testing. “The plug is pulled. The fight is off as far as we’re concerned,” said Arum who, however, said Pacquiao could start looking for a new opponent. “Mayweather proves that he’s a coward and he’s looking for a way out of the fight. The Nevada commission has been doing drug testing for the last 40 years,” said Arum. “Takot talaga sa akin (He’s really scared of me),” was Pacquiao’s immediate reaction after negotiations for the blockbuster fight came to a screeching halt. Mayweather was demanding an Olympic-style random drug testing for him and Pacquiao in the weeks leading to the fight. It was a demand that Pacquiao found too stiff. Pacquiao said he’s willing to undergo blood testing on the first week of January, when the fight is officially announced, but not in the final days before the match. His trainer, Freddie Roach, said they could do another blood test right after the fight, but certainly not in the days leading to the fight, which could gross over $100 million. Pacquiao said drawing blood so close to the fight will make him weak, but said he has no problem with urine tests. Experts said there’s not much of a difference between both tests. “Pinapakita niya na naduduwag talaga siya sa akin (He’s just showing that he’s scared of me),” said Pacquiao, who has yet to receive any official word that the fight is indeed off. Pacquiao’s lawyer, Franklin Gacal, said if everything falls off, Pacquiao has a couple of options. “One, he can take a fight with either Juan Manuel Marquez or Yuri Foreman, whoever is available, and two, he can take a break, and fight after the May 2010 elections,” said Gacal. Pacquiao is seeking a congressional seat in his hometown in Sarangani, and wouldn’t actually mind losing the Mayweather fight as long as he wins the elections. “If he decides to skip the March 13 date and take care of the elections, the next fight he can look at is around October. Besides, before both camps said yes to do the fight, he already said he wanted to take a break and just fight after the elections,” Gacal added. The lawyer from Gen. Santos City, who is also seeking a congressional seat in May, said what’s happening right now could all be part of the big dance and could lead to fresh negotiations. “To appease Mayweather, we agreed they could do urine analysis anytime they wanted. But Manny doesn’t want them to draw his blood when he’s in training because it weakens him,” Arum told USA Today. His counterpart, Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy, said there’s nothing absurd with taking blood tests even if it falls on the eve of the fight, except that Pacquiao feels weak doing it. Mayweather agrees. “I understand Pacquiao not liking having his blood taken, because frankly I don’t know anyone who really does,” Mayweather said. “But in a fight of this magnitude, I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level. I have already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. “It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night. I hope that this is either some miscommunication or that Manny will change his mind and step up and allow these tests, which were good enough for all these other great athletes, to be performed by USADA,” Mayweather was quoted as saying. It’s a form of harassment, according to Arum. “All they’re doing is harassing Pacquiao. I’m not going to allow it to happen. We’re willing to do urine analysis at random even though we don’t have to do it under Nevada rules. ... I know deep down Mayweather doesn’t want the fight. He can take a walk,” he said. If Mayweather takes a walk, he could end up fighting Matthew Hatton early next year, and with $20 million or $30 million less in his bank account.
Friday Dec 25, 2009 06:58:47 PM
willyam:  I was taught @ a teenager that denial of reality is a Mental Illness! Simply stated Manny was all set to fight Floyd until he was asked to do some olympic style drug testing and now he says i am not going to fight if i am subjected to this style of testingI As my grandfather use to say that dog don't hunt! Let me see first Manny didn't want to fight in May because he is running for office, then he wants 8 oz gloves, then he wants a smaller ring, also he gets the 50/50 split. Manny gets everything he wants and he also knew that gbp wanted drug testing! Pac thought it would be only the Nevada Boxing Commission (A Joke! ODH vs SSM 2) doing the testing! So how can Floyd be scared? I can tell a lot of you have never boxed so here is a little tip: Anyone who steps into the is not SCARED!!! TSS: How did you allow that racist pig statement on this forum?
Friday Dec 25, 2009 07:30:40 PM
ugok:  @nizzle...whats fishy is your ignorance!!! If Pac is onto something wouldnt he get caught eventually when his blood get tested ,right after the fight/?whats being "question" is the nature of "random" testing which means while training ,while sleeping,while having sex! lol,etc. etc. thats what random means WHICH Pac Camp feels is VERY INTRUSIVE and an OVERKILL.3 blood TEST just to ACCOMODATE fuckin scared Mayweather NOT ENOUGH???ISNT NEVADA ATHLETIC COMMISION not ENOUGH?TEAM FLOYD thinks SO and WANTED to be the "COMMISIONER"!!! PAC should move on Fight CREDIBLE Boxers while Floyd moves ON and FIGHT "SET UP" matches.THATS THE KIND OF FIGHT FOR YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 09:53:14 PM
The Saint:  LAUGHING AT ALL THE MAYWEATHER FANS!!!!! What's Tiny Floyd gonna do now? Pacquiao straight up called him a coward and challenged him to a fight IN THE RING and not at some talk show!!!! LOL! C'mon Fraud Mayweather fans! I wanna hear what ignorance will come out of your mouths now! There's a thing in America called "innocent until proven guilty." The BURDEN OF PROOF is on the ACCUSER, not the one being accused! What proof did the ghetto primates Mayweather Sr and Jr produce? NONE! And now THEY, along with Golden Girl Promitions, are going to fry! They messed with the wong guy. Pacquiao is not going to take this garbage anymore and Mayweather is either going to pay outside the ring or in it! HAHAHAHAHA!
Friday Dec 25, 2009 11:25:27 PM
Isaiah:  Sugar Ray Robinson is considered the best ever as his opposition proves it. Willie Pep once had a record of 134-1-1. Yey, that's right! 134-1-1! Muhammed Ali fought and beat Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, George Foreman, Leon Spinks, Sonny Liston, Jerry Quarry, etc. Rocky Marciano beat Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Don Cockell and Rolanda Starza. Roberto Duran fought Sugar Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, etc. Julio Ceaser Chavez was undefeated over 80 fights. Ricardo Lopez retired undefeated in the amatuers and pros. Vitali Klitshcko has never been knocked down. Flash Elrode, one of the best ever. Joe Louis had 25 title defenses! Larry Holmes, Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson were all champ 7 years! Manny Pacquaio fought and beat or beat better then Floyd, (with the exception of Marquez)... Erik Moralles, Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Manuel Marquez,,Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto.Did Ray Robinson need a new test in the pros to find a reason not to fight the bigger and stronger Jake Lamotta? Did Roberto Duran need a new pro test to find a reason to not fight the line of bigger,stronger and crazy skilled/tough men he seemed to fight on a regular basis? NO! Did Ricardo Lopez need an exscuse to not fight the bigger Rosendo Alvarez? The sad thing is, Floyd Mayweather is supposed to be bigger here, but we all know who the man and who the boy is between him and MANny. Is Floyd the greatest of all time like he says he is? NO! That's like him saying Chad Dawson is the best P4P in the world. HA! Floyd couldn't reach the #1 spot off all time if he used a car to try and drive to it. FLOYD STRAY(FROM THE TRUTH)WEATHER CAN EAT A CERTAIN BODY PART...
Friday Dec 25, 2009 11:42:20 PM
oddsmaker:  wow Fraud and Schaffer got to be so stupid to believe that the fans will eat up their BS like they did in setting up Marquez to loose
Friday Dec 25, 2009 11:49:22 PM
Matts Strid, Sweden:  mayweather is a disgrace even among cowards.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 12:12:23 AM
oskar:  What's funny is team May is pushing this random blood test in which Pac agreed but as long as not so close the time of the fight and should be maximum of 3 blood test then they can do all the urine test all they want and when they want. Yeah there's a pill that can make your piss clean but it will take a while to take effect unlike the team May is making people think that blood test is they're only option. Urine random test is enough it's not like there's a magic medicine that can make all the drugs in take to flush down, few seconds that USADA came and test you.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 12:26:48 AM
mc:  this is a pactard site
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 12:38:10 AM
SALT lover@The Saint:  There's a sayin' in Puerto Rico that goes "There's no worst deaf than the one who doesn't wanna hear". I, for one, already wrote like 500 pages worth of explanation about all of this, here in TSS for past two weeks, and you still attack Floyd with no base, nor valid argument; and you even had the nerves to insinuate Floyd was a monkey. That by itself it's a good reason to stop takin' you seriously. The Mayweathers are NOT accusin' anybody. Floyd Sr always stated this with "My opinion", "I think", and "Honestly.....". Those are not accusations, those are opinions; he and anybody can do that. And besides if there is a test result involved here it means Pacquiao has received his chance to proof himself, which is far from being a slander. There's no slander or whatever. A slander is when they talk about you, imosing Truth in it, without givin' you opportunity to prove them wrong. This whole lawsuit thing may be a move to repel the Mayweather Team from still demandin' the USADA tests.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 12:53:27 AM
jkc:  The fighters when we look back who have used steroids are vitali pre olympics, sugar shane mosley, fernando vargas who tested positive after he was knocked out by oscar de la hoya, I am not sure steroids, play such a major role in boxing. the late Vernon Forrester, had little trouble beating mosley, there is no proof steroids make a fighter faster or more powerfull, or more better. Floyd has all the tools to defeat Manny but strangely floyd body looks more juiced up than manny,I can understand manny not wanting blood drawn from his arm 48 hours before a major fight. floyd is such self destructive fighter,and his promotional team like the oddsmaker stated the golden boys will rain on the mayweathers head, fight fans would reject Manny if we tested positive after the fight. floyd just blew a hundred million, and golden boy has been top ranked! mayweather will be broke living in grand rapids and Manny will be still a world Idol, who needs this fight more flod or manny ?
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:05:53 AM
mekiko:  HE MIGHT BE GOOD IN THAT DEPARTMENT.. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST MISTAKE HE HAS DONE.. A PISSED OFF PACMAN IS NOT THE FIGHTER YOU WOULDNT WANT TO FIGHT.. IF THE GUY IS LETHAL ON NORMAL DAYS... I BET MY HOUSE.. THIS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS FORM HE WILL BE IN.... FLOYD IS JUST SOOOO STUPID DOING THIS!!! WELL MAYBE THIS IS HIS WAY OUT... PACMAN WILL OBLITERATE FLOYD INTO PIECES.. HIS DEFENSE WOULDNT HOLD UP AGAINST A SWARM OF ANGRY BOMBS HE IS FACING ALL NIGHT.. FLOYD IS STUPID ON THIS ONE
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:08:21 AM
oskar:  Salt lover... The intent of Mayweather clan to make Manny look like a roid user is in there, started by his father ended from his Son. What will you do if someone accuse you of being HIV positive without any proof will you just brush it off if the whole world is talking as if your an HIV positive then the one who accuse you will tell you to take a blood test to prove us wrong. You knew they're wrong but you want them to first provide a proof of their accusation before you take the test and prove them that they're lying because if you take the test without them providing any proof you just prove that they’re speculating but not lying.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:23:37 AM
SALT lover@oskar:  I would take the test and proof him wrong. As simple as that. Actually bringin' a test by already does me a favor, cuz it's a chance to proof him wrong. It's my decision to take the test or not, that would affects me. And like I wrote, it was OPINION what Floyd Sr said, those were not accusations.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:36:08 AM
The Saint:  @SALT lover: No, it's not Pacquiao's burden to prove the Primates wrong. Primates must prove that Pacquiao is doing steroids, and Primates' words don't mean anything. The Primates only deserve jail time in zoo.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:56:02 AM
The Saint:  @SALT lover: HAHAHAHAHHA.. What Floyd Sr. said was an opinion????? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Well he's going down with Golden Boy. Golden Boy, the two-faced hypocrite who said they didn't want Mosley to do blood tests because "he's not a cheater and he doesn't need to be treated like one," is demanding Pacquiao the very same thing. And noooo, they're not accusing Pacquiao of anything. The illiterate crack addict Mayweather Sr. can't talk his way out of this one. Uncle Sam is going to throw the book at him and I'll be laughing for the rest of my life.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:01:05 AM
oskar:  Mayweather's accusation is masking as an opinion. Opinion to others is provide with respect and stating that someone is using illegal enhancement drugs is not an opinion it's an accusation. It’s like when some person is saying you’re using illegal drugs and is not an accusation that’s an opinion? Who said that? Yeah Floyd sr did said that’s his opinion about Manny but I tell you, what he said is not an opinion it’s an accusation. Just because he used the word opinion it doesn’t really mean that’s what he did, what he did is used the word “opinion” then accuses someone…
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:03:51 AM
SALT lover@The Saint:  The RACIST epithets you're usin' when you refer to the Mayweathers explains that mentality of yours. There's no reason to take someone like you seriously anymore, first cuz of the stupid way you're referrin' to them, and second cuz that explains that you, like the majority of the people here, hate Mayweather, and thus no matter what happens, or what I tell you, you'll look for a way to attackin' them. Forget you. Another worthless reader.....................................damn! I most probably made a mistake crticizin' the editor's work here, but now I see why he does his thing. I apologize editor.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:12:52 AM
rkl:  Mayweather why don't your fists do the talking not your big loud mouth. It is so obvious that you are so scared to fight. Pacquaio. IF YOU REALLY LIKE THE FIGHT THERE MANY WAYS TO GET IT DONE. IF YOU DO NOT WANT IT TO HAPPEN, THERE WILL A LOT OF ALIBIS OR EXCUSES. Prove that you are not a BIG COWARD!!!
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:20:08 AM
SALT lover@oskar:  Yes, it is an opinion if anybody says: "I THINK he's usin' them", or "In my opinion, I think SALT lover is usin' steroids". Those are not accusations no matter how bad they sound. Accusation is: .................................."Pacquiao is definitely cheating", "Pacquiao is a cheater, he's using steroids", "Pacquiao's been using steroids". .........................That is accusing. Besides, even if it's an accusation. I don't think it is, but let's say it is an accusation, let's see if the whole lawsuit is for real. They've been sayin' it for quite sometime, and still there's no such legal action.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:21:41 AM
oskar:  Floyd Sr did accuse Manny and its not an opinion. You state the you think salt lover is usin' steroid is a valid opinion but Floyd Sr didn't said it like that he's intent was to accuse someone. I think there basis for a lawsuit if they would sue because even other promoter now is thinking that if a fight with Manny is made they should do an olympic style drug test isolating only Manny's fight.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:36:13 AM
Ricky:  The belt on the line for this fight is the WBO belt of paquiao, as a procedure or standard the WBO should speak up on this and educate floyd the right way. Floyd has no belt and he is not a champion anymore, why he can influenced people very easily because some people are foolish and stupid. This is professional boxing and professional standards shall be followed. This is going to be precedent if floyd will not stop this stupidity and very unprofessional act or behaviour. this is going to be never ending excuses for floyd...remember he refuse to pay for every excess weight limit, please somebody wake this man now.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 04:12:41 AM
SALT lover@oskar:  OK, search, and if you can, find a place where you read, or see Floyd Sr callin' Pacquiao a cheater, and sayin' the drugs things, without accompaning the words I just mentioned: "I think", "In my opinion", "I believe", and such. Find me a statement where he doesn't include such words. And we'll if the whole lawsuit is True.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 08:06:16 AM
SALT lover:  *And we'll see if the whole lawsuit is True.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 08:07:00 AM
The Saint:  @SALT lover: "and we'll see if te whole lawsuit is true." LOL. Denial, anyone? hahaha. Golden Boy and Mayweather are going to be exposed first in AND out of the ring. LOL. And when you REQUIRE someone to prove his INNOCENCE, no, that is not an opinion, that is called an ACCUSATION. But why should anyone expect reason or logic from a mayweather fan? LOL.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 08:19:52 AM
The Saint:  I AM LOVING THIS. Mayweather, the great DEFENSIVE fighter of our time is about to become the DEFENDANT! LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 08:21:05 AM
sharkpr:  I'm not a big fan of Mayweather but in this fight i expect him to win. I believed Pacquiao is crying a lot. He always is looking to take advantages when he fight, catchweight for example. Is he said is the best p4p, lets figth in equal conditions.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 08:31:06 AM
Matthew:  I hate to say I told you so, but I knew not to get too excited until both fighters actually signed the contract. I'm not surprised that Mayweather is pulling these shenanigans. It's a psychological ploy designed to get into Pacquiao's head, and it gives Mayweather a way out if the fight doesn't come off. I don't think Mayweather is scared of Pacquiao, but this definitely shows his reluctance and thirst for control. I say good for Manny for filing that lawsuit. I don't know that anything will come of it, and I'm normally against frivolous lawsuits, but at least this shows Mayweather and his cronies that Pacquiao and Roach won't be bullied. Hopefully the fight can still happen, but time is running short.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 09:09:19 AM
SALT lover:  Exactly, sharkpr. Pacquiao says that very possible phony story of gettin' weak by a spoon worth of blood (Which is way funny. He feels "weak" cuz of a mini-sample of blood, it's not like they're gonna take 2 liters), well the same thing could be said about those DUMBA$$ES catchweight BULL$^H!T. That REALLY weakens fighters, and nobody says nothin'..........................Oh! I forgot, it's Pacquiao. HE can rib a bank, and still he's a "saint". Of course.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 09:22:27 AM
SALT lover:  Hr can rob a bank.....
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 09:23:08 AM
SALT lover:  *He
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 09:23:30 AM
oskar:  SALT lover if there's a lawsuit team Pac do have a basis because now even other promoters will going to ask Pac for an olympic style drug test and that is caused by an accusation from Floyd Sr. When you used that statement you think salt lover is usin' steroid is a valid opinion but that opinion is accusing someone of a wrong doing but if you said I think salt lover is gay that is a genuine opinion you're not accusing someone of wrong doing but you do have an opinion about someone not because you used the words "I think", "In my opinion", "I believe", and such its plain opinion like, I believe salt lover murdered someone... that is an accusation not an opinion.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 09:59:06 AM
SALT lover@oskar:  And there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN' wrong with askin' those tests. Absolutely nothin' wrong, like I've said 15 times already, that's a chance for Pacquiao to prove he's clean. And the rest of what you said: No, no, no, and NO. Those ain't accusations. I've read about accusations, and about opinions, and those words that accompany them clearly make them opinion, cuz it takes away the certainty of TRUTH. An accusation is when you impose TRUTH in it:"Pacquiao IS a cheater". That's accusin' somebody. But when you say "I think", "In my opinion", "I believe", and such, it TAKES AWAY the element of Truth, and thus it doesn't make it True. "I think Salt lover is gay", "I think Salt lover murdered someone", "I think Salt lover is using steroids" are opinions. However:.......... "Salt lover IS gay". "Salt lover IS a murderer", "Salt lover IS using steroids"...................., those are accusations. Anyways, we'll see. Let's see if Team Pacquiao will file a lawsuit. Another thing that I'm thinkin' about, is if it was True that they are gonna sue, why not prepare the lawsuit quietly? Why boast about it out loud? It would be aq smarter to prepare those and surprise your adversary with a lawsuit.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 10:50:07 AM
SALT lover:  *and thus it doesn't neccessarily make it True
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 10:50:59 AM
SALT lover:  But anyways, I could be wrong. I could be wrong about the difference between both, cuz I ain't no lawyer, and I'm not an expert of law. But let's see what happens. If PAcquiao indeed sues the Mayweathers, then he has his point. But if he doesn't, then somethin' wrong with him. Let's see...
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 10:57:23 AM
SALT lover:  But anyways, I could be wrong. I could be wrong about the difference between both, cuz I ain't no lawyer, and I'm not an expert of law. But let's see what happens. If PAcquiao indeed sues the Mayweathers, then he has his point. But if he doesn't, then somethin' wrong with him. Let's see...
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 10:57:38 AM
kountedout@salt lover:  dont you feel like you are an elementary teacher trying to explain something so simple? even though you explained it well you will have others who will say something stupid. coaches use to tell me that common sense is the hardest thing to have and now i see what they mean. these guys here dont have common sense. i agree if manny is going to sue do it quietly. manny is not as innocent and naive as he seems. did he not go and sign a contract with golden boy while he was with top rank? is it that hes not that smart or is it him being greedy for money or trying to be a sneak? he knew he was still with top rank. i might have to start questioning mannys character
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 11:10:10 AM
Fe'Roz :  Factoid to consider: When Zab Judah was fighting Sugar Shane Mosely, Zab was insisting on Shane being tested by Olympic standards. This was after Shane's admission of use in the BALCO scandal..... so you can understand why Zab might have insisted on additional testing. But Golden Boy, Shane's promoters, absolutely objected to any additional tests... above and beyond those already established by of all Commissions; those of The Nevada State Athletic's. Their (Golden Boy's) argument was....and herein lies the beauty of this true story....that the NSAC's standards were of the highest standard and that they were more than adequate to serve both fighters equally. Fast forward. The irony and hypocrisy is too exquisite not to enjoy. Merry Xmas.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 11:23:08 AM
PROY:  If you sue, it is public record. Anyone with an 'elementary' education know that.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 11:24:28 AM
T:  I am with Fe'Roz! GBP is full of $hit!
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 11:28:19 AM
kountedout:  i agree with judah for asking for the Olympic testing. i dont blame him. shane is a cheater! nobody is defending golden boy. most promoters are fabricators. they were trying to protect shane bc they might find out something that they dont wanna know. the same goes for top rank now. i dont care what these promoters say. the NSAC standards are good for regular medicals to get your license but they are not high tech to find out what most fighters can hide. that was hipocrisy on golden boys behalf. top rank has had the feds come in an confiscate all computers bc they were fixing fights. how trustworthy is top rank. manny pacquiao signed a contract with golden boy and knew he was still with toprank. how trustworthy is that? come clean and be honest on both sides. according to you we drive only on one way streets!
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 11:38:46 AM
t dogg:  BE ADVISED T DOGGY DOGG IS NOT ME..IM tdogg & HOPEFULLY BY COMMENTS & WHAT I SAY U CAN DECIPHER THE REAL FROM FAKE
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 12:29:36 PM
t dogg:  i agree all this slander & racist comments..4 tha record im not into bashing fighters ..i gave a break down on why i thought pacman could lose ..i have yet 2 see any comments or breakdowns on y he can win besides what ppl feel bout their guy...here it is again ...pacman has glaring weaknesses..when he get hit wit a gd shot he bangs his gloves 2gether & comes wit a furious 5-7 punch combo ..& reckless @ times when he jumps in 2 do it.floyd will expoit that cuz he`s fast enuff 2 do it...he has been rattled in the past when things not goin his way.& unable 2 adjust (marquez fights).but he doesnt stop fighting...cotto showed a gd jab can keep him offset..u may not like it but pacman defense is improved over the years but its still not that great ..floyd defense & couterpunchin ability will offset pacman offense cuz what worked against all others..will not work on floyd..floyd may not jab much ..but he will then..floyd fights wit what works 4 him lead rights/check hooks are workin he gonna keep doin it ..till tha fighter can make the adjustment if .he doesnt..long night 4 him..we may not like it..but thats what it is.. adjust or get beat all night..floyd can be beat .. ..i jus think ring generalship defense boxing abilty etc..floyd will nullify pacman aggressiveness 2 a dec win..now if any experts can tell me y u think pacman can win tell me..cuz speed & punches in bunches dont always mean a victory..so i`ll wait 4 a logical response 2 what pacman can do 2 beat floyd... cuz i can see floyd makin pacman hesitant after nullify his rushes wit sharp counters..then takin over tha fight...strategic responses please ..hope thats nott 2 much 2 ask..lol (probally is tho)
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 12:32:14 PM
The Saint:  LOL.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:33:48 PM
The Saint:  This fight is history, Mayweather's mission has been accomplished. He lives to fight another chump. lol
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:34:31 PM
The Saint:  @ t dogg: WIth all due respect, let Floyd Mayweather actually do what you think he's capable of doing. It doesn't matter how many scenarios you can think of in your head, it means nothing unless Floyd actually does it. I think Pacquiao can knock Mayweather out using just his right arm and hopping on one leg. Unless Pacquiao does that, it means zero.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:37:00 PM
Tex:  Mayweather is being a scumbag and the apologists are getting his back.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:42:51 PM
bill major:  t dogg, the problem with your breakdown is that its the old pacquiao.the younger ,wilder kid.he is a more mature ,calm,and technically sound fighter than he was . if you cant see that then your just beating the mayweather drum . its not going to be an easy fight forpacquiao anymore than it is for mayweather ..floyd is the same fighter he always was he dosent get any better or differant for that matter .hes quick but dosent throw combos just one at a time . he could but he wont because hes afraid t stay out there to long and isnt willing to catch a shot or to many of them. pacquiao has every advantage over foly in that he will do what floyds not willing to do and thats die there . all the skill in the world isnt going to give mayweather the win that night because he fights for nothing because he dosent need anything. pacquiao fights not only for himself but for his country which he loves with passion. you can laugh but that is whats going to destry mayweather if he dosent ruin the fight.this whole thing about steroids and all isnt going to bother manny in the least. if anything itll make it worse for floyd. the kid is just unbeatable at this time,floyd is ripe to be beat.i can see it. he never fought anyone as good as this kid,if he's counting on the idea he lost before then he is in for it.lol
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:52:38 PM
t dogg:  ok i hear u .the saint ..but the ? is HOW is he gonna do it... what is it that u SEE in pacman besides u think he is gonna KO him..& I appreciate tha respect..but its more of a disrespect 2 say 2 me ...scenarios i think in my mind..not 4 nuttin..but please tell me where pacman has tha advantage..height/reach/ring gen/defense/boxing ablity/being able 2 adjust/..o yea dont 4get for 1 min that floyd is not EXPLOSIVE as well..so while i hear u say pacman will KO him..2 real boxing fans & purists know..BS from reality..cuz floyd fought zab judah & had problems @ 1st but adjusted & i know u gonna say thats y pacman will KO him....NOPE wrong answer..cuz zab may not hav been mentally tuff 2 hang in there but he was physically tuff..& has speed skill & technique as well...so floyd has seen tha southpaw guy wit fast hands/feet..pacman has diff angles but his balance when being agrressive is highly questionable..floyd will make him pay 4 mistakes if they fight...now give me floyd weaknesses...
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 01:59:07 PM
t dogg:  bill major i hear u ...but is that tha best u got...cuz tha first 2 rds of tha cotto fight showed me he has a problem wit a stiff jab it offsets his offense he`s a little gunshy when dealing wit it..not tha old pacman..im talkin bout tha 1 i just seen..pacman is a great explosive fighter who @ any given time can KO anyone..but tell me what possible fight up until this point in his career has he seen a fighter..whether any1 likes it or not wit tha skills floyd has..NEVER & nobody even close..so BM u gotta come better than that ...but i respect your opinion thanks...BTW i do believe if pacman was 2 catch him right he could KO floyd ...& pacman could go as well
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:11:04 PM
kountedout:  cotto fights for his country too but he still lost. that is not what wins fights for you 95% of the time. margarito fights for his country look at the mosley fight, marquez fights for his country. darchinyan, etc. you dont think these guys love there country? manny has several weaknesses. I will point out 1 weakness that he hasnt changed since i first saw him against agapito sanchez. and he has yet to correct it. he lifts his left foot up when throwing his left which will have him off balance and that shows he doesnt know range. any fighter with movement will always give him problems. 1 step back and manny is caught in no mans land and floyd will expose that for sure. i can show you several other weaknesses
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:13:53 PM
t doggy dogg:  Use another name t dogg. get off me my ni99a! forget yall actors. You is the fake! Yall forgot what yall is. Yall act like yall aint from the hood nomore.Fu*8k mayweather. Pacquiao is gonna f&*k him up. A ni99a wif money aint s&ht. Mayweather aint talking about no steriods til time to fight Pacquiao. He bluffed Pacquiao to call him out. Now he scared and talking street s*ht about steriods. F*ui9k steriods Mayweather supposed to be so good. i want Mayweather to win but now because he scared of a little asian man like Pacquiao he can suck me. stay tune for my next rap on youtube.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:14:12 PM
t dogg:  1st off . T DOGGY DOGG .i had my name over 25 years 2nd i didnt give myself tha name it was given ...earned..so save tha tuff tony,internet gangster talk ..cuz im bout CHIN CHECKING & BOXING..thats my pedigree & protocol...so u do what u do & i do what i do...YA DIGG..cuz u aint built like that ..cuz if u were ..u wouldnt be talkin that stupid sh*t
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:22:20 PM
t doggy dogg:  Aint be talking to no fake ni99a. you called me out. can we all we along you aint said s*ht cause i been t doggy dogg for 35 long year ya digg. man forget you. You just Mayweather a scary azz fake ni99a. later for you I gotta put my s*ht on youtube bout fake azz ni99az like you. Go see me discuss ni99a for pacquiao on youtube man. Hit my azz up @ blood test after the fight to test for steroids... yall aint s*ht! Come to my hood in Nolfork Virginia and lets talk bout the internet gangster talk. belated merry christmas to all my ni99az for Pacquiao.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:42:11 PM
Real Talk @ EM:  How did you let the Racial Slur in the second comment get through?!?! EM must be on Christmas break but whoever is maning the station needs to get on top of that!!! A.S.A.P.! I'm fuming over here.....
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:44:25 PM
Fe\'Roz @ EM:  We all hope you had a great holiday and got some RandR. I, like Real Talk, am deeply offended and more than surprised that that second post has been allowed to stand. On behalf of all of us, I sincerely hope that when you return you will edit this page. Since that 'second comment' the quality and tenor of this conversation has suffered badly. I know you will agree after you have read it. pc
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:52:09 PM
Real Talk:  Youtube trash. This site has a certain level of class here slim. I don't even feel like breaking it down for you. You need to know where you're at bleed. EM...I'm give pissed about the comment up top.......I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're with family. I need to hit the gym and put knuckles on something. P.S. if this fight doesn't happen...then I'm no longer a Mayweather fan. I won't back that or put up with constant letdown when it's something great about to happen in the sport. From Margo to Cotto to Oscar 2 and now this Pacquiao vs. Mayweather. I'm getting heated over here. Stay up TSSU.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 02:57:16 PM
t dogg:  T DOGGY DOGG..u put that example of n*gga BS up there 2 CLARIFY MYSELF that we r not tha same ..i posted that... im not goin back & forth bout names i said what i said & thats IT.U who u is...great..i told u what im about...IM FROM BROOKLYN ..so where u frm means nuttin JUST IN CASE U THOUGHT VA meant sumthin..cuz u said it...im hear 4 BOXING PROTOCOL ya digg ...GET FAMILIAR OR GET LOST!!!!!!!!!!
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 03:09:10 PM
mortcola@kountedout:  You called Fe'Roz a racist? Buddy, you've got to go get some repairs. Somebody put some defective software in you, talking trash like that. You and Floyd - two guys tossing foolish accusations at people they fear they can't match up to.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 03:11:22 PM
Real Talk:  Breaking News!!! My mans just called me. I asked him what's up with Mayweather? He said...Floyd ducking that wreck. He said I knew he was going to find something Alias to get out the fight. Damn shame. This is how people will remember you....if they remember you, as a wreck ducker. I asked my man Paco on Facebook" do you think Pacman using roids". He replied, I know he's a bad mutha____..verbatum. This is how Pacquiao is perceived, this is how he'll be remembered. @ Salt, bloodtest right after the fight...in the locker room. Smelling like ___ an all. Floyd or nobody else ever asked for these new test b4. I smell something, an it rhymes with bushy!!! Nuff said
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 03:13:04 PM
Smiley C:  Gosh! The Editor man must be doing the Christmas thing, and you cats have been naughty not nice. He ain't getting you cats nothing fo' sure!
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 04:40:38 PM
oskar:  SALT lover... Well it becomes clearer to me that Floyd Sr's interview is a well thought accusation masking as an opinion and it’s out of his character to use those safe words. If you can't see what Floyd Sr. had done well, no comment but I assure you, his intent was to accuse someone taking illegal drugs.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 06:51:26 PM
SALT lover@Kountedout:  Hehehehehehe, I try hard, but the hatred against Floyd is way too much to fight it. Even if Pacquiao is proven guilty of cheatin', they'll still love him over Floyd. There's no remedy in curin' hatred against Floyd.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 07:47:55 PM
SALT lover@Real Talk:  Yeah, only when Pacquiao's willin' to do it, and not randomly where it's legality is heavier, right? Nobody done this before you say? I thought this was supposed to be the biggest fight never seen before, so what's the problem? Pacquiao says he's clean, so what's the problem? I also smell somethin', and it rhymes with droids.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 07:53:25 PM
SALT lover@Real Talk:  Yeah, only when Pacquiao's willin' to do it, and not randomly where it's legality is heavier, right? Nobody done this before you say? I thought this was supposed to be the biggest fight never seen before, so what's the problem? Pacquiao says he's clean, so what's the problem? I also smell somethin', and it rhymes with droids.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 07:53:25 PM
kountedout@salt lover:  you can't change a person that was taught hate at a young age. i hope manny takes floyd to court then he would have to be tested an when they him you test his hair folicles it stays there for 2 years. @mortcola im sick and tired of guys like you. mind your business, i have never said anything to you. yeah i said he is a racist. what are you going to do about it man! im sick of guys like you him and 95% of the others here. dont worry about what i do or say. do your thang okay.
Saturday Dec 26, 2009 08:27:51 PM
Real Talk @ Salt:  Nice comeback, but you mean to tell me the blood test in the locker room right after the fight aint enough??? Yell at me
Sunday Dec 27, 2009 11:31:45 PM
SALT lover@Real Talk:  Shortly BEFORE the fight IS more reliable.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 01:22:23 AM
The Saint:  @t dogg: What Pacquiao has going for him are speed, power, workrate. His hands are just as fast if not faster than Floyd's, but one of Pacquiao's biggest advantages is his footspeed; he can turn and switch sides in a blink, which will greatly nullify Mayweather's defense. Also, Pacquiao's flurries consist of compact punches that don't come from the side. Even his right hook could be delivered "straight." Take a look at the right hook that he knocked Cotto down with. Pacquiao was not in the textbook position to be be able to throw a powerful right hook, but he adjusted the trajectory and angle of his punch to make it work. The one thing Pacquiao and Mayweather have in common is that regardless of who they fight, the opponent ends up looking much like every previous opponent of Pacquiao and Mayweather. Every Mayweather bout ends up being a slow-paced, pot-shotting affair where the opponent can't land anything clean and gets pot-shotted. Every Pacquiao opponent looks panicked and fighting desperately to survive as they get overwhelmed by Pacquiao. De La Hoya looked it, Cotto looked it, Morales looked it, Hatton looked it. The one thing that I don't understand is why some insist that Pacquiao is susceptible to slick boxers. He very well may be, but the fact is Pacquiao has never faced a slick boxer, let alone get troubled by one. While Morales and Marquez did find success in backing off and countering Pacquiao, they did a lot more brawling than anything. They matched Pacquiao punch for punch. It was their willingness to fight Pacquiao's fire with fire that made them difficult opponents for Pacquiao, not their counterpunching. The only semblance of "slick" that Pacquiao ever saw was when Miguel Cotto went on full survival mode and backpedaled for the rest of the fight, content to land a few sneaky hooks and jabs here and there, and Pacquiao walked him down.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 10:56:04 AM
The Sanit:  @SALT lover: Less reliable or not, getting Pacquiao's blood drawn IMMEDIATELY after the fight is MORE THAN FAIR. I doubt that whatever illegal substance that would be in Pacquiao's blood during the fight would be so kind as to exit his bloodstream immediately after the fight.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 12:04:18 PM
t dogg:  the saint i appreciate your analysis..but the KEY words u said was NEVER FACED a slick boxer like mayweather..YES marquez engaged but he engaged by lettin pacman lead & countered him very well..also u said his footspeed..i got news 4 ya footspeed dont win fights & when u dealin with a slow footed fighter..the person footspeed looks that much greater..u 4get morales BEAT pacman tha 1st time @ his own game..honestly if u think pacman footspeed & as u say compact punchin can beat a caliber of fighter like floyd..u r sadly mistaken..any advantage that floyd has height/reach/ring gen/hand & footspeed,skills,counterpunchin ability is all tha things pacman has never seen ..now let me give u an EX:floyd fought jesus chavez..chavez was well known 4 throwin over 100 punches per round in all his fights..against floyd all that was nullified early..do u remember that? also do u remember tha end result..chavez being beaten up & stopped 4 tha 1st time in his career..FLOYD skills are not diaz,marquez,hatton,cotto,so cut it out..how can u gage what u have never faced 2 prove your theory..cmon saint he went life & death wit marquez & then ducked him 4 3yrs why did it take so long 2 rematch him cuz the 1st fight was def worthy of immediate rematch..Y didnt he fight him asap..i tell Y ..cuz he knows marquez got his number..u keep 4gettin 2 add as well that floyd offense is just as good as his defense..he does what works against who he`s fighting..check hooks/lead rights if thats whats workin imma keep doin it 2..if u a great fighter make him do sumthin else if u cant then ..u gonna get beat on all night..ask JMM the guy pacman is scared of...lmao.& floyd defense is far far greater than any fighter u said..so that is a bad comparison..floyd has fought fast,slow aggressive,boxers counterpunchers etc..there is no style he hasnt seen..floyd has proven time again HE can make adjustments & not be rattled or deterred..pacman has shown when cut he is a lil thrown off..here 1 thing..picture this scenario..if floyd & pacman fought wit no freddie & no roger...who can make tha adjustments as tha fight goes on & win..personally with a corner or without FLOYD knows how 2 fight adjust & win cuz roger really dont b tellin floyd much anyway besides keep doin what u doin beat his ass..lol theres a lot of advise in pacman corner that her needs..floyd would slow him down wit shap counters..SAINT i await ya response...
Monday Dec 28, 2009 12:32:46 PM
The Saint:  @t dogg: you ought to read the "common opponent myth" from this website if you could dig it out. If you agree with me that Pacquiao has never fought a slick boxer, then the logical conclusion is that you don't know how he'll fare against one until he actually faces one. We go back to square one of what would they do to each other. No, I'm not "mistaken" until the fight takes place and what you claim would happen actually does. And if you want to go to common opponent route, Pacquiao demolished De La Hoya when Mayweather barely escaped with a split decision that many thought should've gone to De La Hoya. Call De La Hoya drained all you want, but De La Hoya was the overwhelming favorite against Pacquiao. It is also a fair argument that the Marquez that Mayweather fought was just as compromised as De La Hoya was, if not more so. Marquez was 36, bloated, and damaged goods from his two wars with Pacquiao and his more recent life and death struggle against Juan Diaz.. Hatton got squashed by Pacquiao, and don't even think of giving Mayweather credit for softening up Hatton. Before Mayweather fought Hatton, Hatton was beaten up by Luis Collazo. And Hatton was a blown up jr. welterweight facing a full fledged welter in Mayweather. As for footspeed, absolutely footspeed has everything to do with positioning, creating angles and cutting off the ring. Nothing negates good upper body movement better than good footwork. And Pacquiao doesn't have the reputation of being a random whirlwind like Paul Williams, who throws over a hundred punches per round for the sake of throwing them. Pacquiao's offense is steady and calculated. He's not a mindless slugger like Jorge Arce who just throws as many punches as he could hoping some would land. The fighters that Pacquiao has had trouble with are just that--fighters, not boxers. Pacquiao wasn't befuddled by Marquez' defense. It was Marquez's spirited offense that kept Pacquiao's own offense in check, not pot shots. At any rate, this is all pointless speculation, neither your argument nor mine proves anything besides we both have active imaginations.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 12:54:33 PM
t dogg:  ok saint weight drained DLH doesnt make a difference ok..being tha 1st to beat up & stop hatton dont mean nuttin OK..what u think pacman upperbody movement is great..2 tell tha truth its not..2 make honest assesment u would have 2 see how he deals wit a style 2 compare..but lets rewind a bit..i said a lot bout the guys he fought & when he fought them..Y he didnt hatton when he was undefeated where was manny..Y didnt he fight DLH @ 154 like floyd did...cuz he`s only so big & only fights guys he can take advantage of..now that u goin back SAINT ...ANSWER THIS y did it take 3 YRS 2 rematch JMM..ANSWER THAT..cuz marquez conceded 2 EVERYTHING & they still DUCKED em..when they thought he had gotten old enuff they went 4 him ..LOL 2 their surprise again JMM was still not old enuff but SAINT what is your defense 2 that
Monday Dec 28, 2009 01:11:55 PM
kountedout:  @The Caint, you try to sound like you know boxing but to those who know boxing you sound very phony. how can you nullify DEFENSE? you dont know like i said. hahaha
Monday Dec 28, 2009 01:48:33 PM
The Saint:  @kuntedout: Not sure why even bother answering you when you yourself are illiterate and have to rely on someone else to read for you. You nullify defense by good offense, and you nullify offense by good defense, it goes both ways. You use angles to make it difficult for your opponent to hit you, and the way you negate that is by creating angles to counteract that. So your opponent likes to lean to his left? With anticipation and footwork you can step towards his left and still be in position to hit him.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 02:34:51 PM
The Saint:  @t dogg: First of all, I don't buy the weight-drained excuse for DLH. Nobody was screaming bloody murder about DLH's weight BEFORE the fight. As a matter of fact, I believe DLH weighed in ABOVE 147 and had the scales tampered with. Pacquiao weighed about 3 or 4 pounds higher on the official scale than what he weighed mere minutes earlier. Roach had weighed Pacquiao before he stepped on the official scales. Had the scales not been tampered with, DLH would've weighed closer to 150. Of course, HBO "straightened" things out by declaring during the broadcast that according to their unofficial scales, DLH did in fact weigh whatever the official scale said. As for Pacquiao's "upper body movement," I don't know how anyone rates anybody's upper body movement, but the fact is that he's been virtually unhittable in his last few fights. De La Hoya barely touched Pacquiao while Mayweather's face was noticeably swollen against DLH. And again, it was Luis Collazo, NOT Mayweather, who first administered a beating on Hatton. It was a controversial win for Hatton. Why didn't Pacquiao fight Hatton when he was undefeated? Uhm, Pacquiao was a super featherweight at the time. Why didn't Pacquiao fight De La Hoya at 154? It was DE LA HOYA who pursued Pacquiao and offered to fight at 147, NOT Pacquiao. DLH was so convinced that Pacquiao would be easy pickings for him that he wanted to minimize any potential obstacle to the fight being made and challenged Pacquiao to move up from 135 to 147, which is much more reasonable than having him move up from 135 to 154. As far as why it took 3 years for Pacquiao to fight Marquez again, is there a law that required Pacquiao to fight Marquez again? Marquez is a bad matchup for Pacquiao, yes. The way I see it, Pacquiao fought a guy he's "afraid" of TWICE in three years, but Mayweather, despite being a welterweight for around 5 years, is yet to step in the ring against ANY top welterweight. Afraid or not, Pacquiao fought Marquez twice. Mayweather hasn't fought anybody since he became a welter.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 03:00:34 PM
The Saint:  @t dogg: correction, I meant to say that Pacquiao weighed 3 or 4 pounds LESS on the official scales, than he did minutes before when Roach weighed him at his hotel room.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 03:05:20 PM
t doggy dogg:  F$^K mayweather! He aint $hit! oh coward azz fake nucca. He gonna lose his next fight to anybody he get in the ring with. I heard tha nucca is already broke. some nucca name willie tricked that stupid sumab8tch out 23 milion dollars u heard. dumb azz nucca is broke and scare. idont know why anybody is talkin bout that sumab8tch azz n1gg9
Monday Dec 28, 2009 04:38:44 PM
t dogg:  1st off freddie roach goaded DLH into tha fight...DLH ego got in tha way..yes pacman did finally fight marquez again & my personal opinion lost 2 marquez (which is debatable)pending what u judge fights on he won by 1 point but i felt marquez won(not sayin robbery close fight again)what im sayin is even beatin cotto..pacman took more punishment than usual..& his defense is not better than floyd..with that said marquez should not b fightin @140 & yes floyd did come in overweight accord 2 tha contract of 144..it was 100% wrong 4 him 2 do that ..but it was also a ploy 4 tha pacman fight so no catchweights would b involved..as we know marquez barely touched floyd in a 12rd fight he landed a total 65 punches in 12rds..also b advised floyd turned down an easy 20 mil 4 tha rematch wit DLH cuz he lost the desire not cuz he thought he would lose..this brings us 2 pacman being #1 cuz if floyd stayed he would still b #1 & pacman would not b @ 147..he may hav went 2 140 & thats it..hatton is tailormade 4 pacman..floyd is not ...NOW do u honestly think pacman can beat floyd without freddie roach in tha corner..cuz i believe floyd can beat pacman..regardless 2 who is in his corner..cuz fighting experience & boxing skills floyd has perfected..& he knows what 2 do in there..floyd MUST fight berto,mosley,pacman,clottey etc ..but pacman must do tha same ...also Y is everbody overlookin that pacman fought 1 top tier fighter since movin up & thats cotto.u all talk since he moved up that he`s faced the best in every div..that he has NOT either matter of fact Y FIGHT the 140lb paulie he could have chose COLLAZO a full fledged 147lb southpaw fighter..Y fight paulie..fight someone like clottey even SO now answer Y he`s not fightin collazo or clottey could it be they are 2 durable 4 him cuz both are available..so no excuse there once again as they say wit floyd..pacman goin tha easy route..FIGHT COLLAZO OR CLOTTEY @ 147 ..NOT 140LB PAULIE
Monday Dec 28, 2009 05:40:40 PM
The Saint:  @t dogg: You are losing focus and going all over the place. You have resorted to the "would've" arguments, which are pointless. Floyd would've done this, done that, etc. Whatever. Roach didn't bait DLH into challenging Pacquiao, DLH saw a "Golden" opportunity in Pacquiao because he felt that Pacquiao was a very beatable opponent, being a natural featherweight and all, something that DLH has feasted on for most of his career. DLH fights two types of fighters with rare exceptions: A) those who have to move up in weight B) those who are past their prime . Regardless, that fight's done with, it was ALL DLH's initiative, but all credit to Roach for seeing weaknesses in DLH that Pacquiao could exploit and for clinching the fight to take place. You say that Pacquiao fought 1 top tier fighter since moving up. That's 1 more than Mayweather has fought since he moved up to welterweight 5 years ago. Pacquiao moved up a year and a half ago and has already fought and destroyed who many considered the best welterweight today in Cotto, damaged goods or not. When Sugar Ray Leonard made a comeback after 3 years of inactivity, he went straight to the top of the foodchain and challenged Hagler. What does a fraud like Mayweather do? Challenge a 36-year old lightweight who's had a life and death battle against a limited lightweight in Juan Diaz.. In 5 years, Floyd's greatest accomplishment was to avoid the likes of Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Margarito. As I always say, Floyd's most elusive OUTSIDE the ring. And before you criticize Pacquiao for going after Malignaggi, wait until Mayweather makes an announcement on who he's going to end up fighting. Besides, the malignaggi fight isn't a done deal. Even if it does happen, Pacquiao cannot be blamed as he has fought every fighter the general public wants him to fight, and it is Mayweather who is making the unrealistic demands based on unfounded allegations that Pacquiao is taking PED's, the very same conditions that two-faced Richard Schaefer refused when Mosley was supposed to fight Judah. Even if Pacquiao retired today, his legacy is sealed and no one would ever question his status as an all-time great. Mayweather's career would be filled with nothing but would'ves and should'ves; he would've done this to Pacquiao. he would've done this to Mosley. He would've done this to Cotto. But he never will. With the exception of Mayweather's most diehard fans, he will be remembered for ducking the toughest opposition.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 07:16:50 PM
The Saint:  @kuntedout: Why don't you clear up all the confusion, stop wasting your time on here and present your evidence of Pacquiao's juicing to Goldenboy? lol. If you don't, I will post gay sex videos of you from youtube.
Monday Dec 28, 2009 07:27:22 PM
t dogg:  saint if statin tha facts is all over tha place then..im all over tha world ..cuz its like this ..pacman had a blood test 2 weeks b4 tha hatton fight & if he scared of needles like he says ..gtfoh..he got tatoos the blood tha take is a tube not a pint.so that isnt effecting sh*t..u mean 2 tell me as bad as pacman is he cant give a tube of blood even 48hrs b4 tha fight..cmon...2 me pacman is CLEAN..& if so Y NOT..NOW ARUM IS SAYIN if the nsac says he has 2 do it then he will..WTF is that..JUST do it 4 tha sake of the world wants this fight..being that u said he fought the guys the fans wanted him 2..PACMAN is not on drugs..EVERYTHING THEY DOIN 2 HIM FLOYD IS TOO..SO THAT POINT IS MUTE..its not just him..FLOYD is not duckin pacman..explain 2 me this WTF is this 10 mil a pound crap even still floyd concede 2 all bob arum/pacman demands u cant overlook that ...1 thing floyd ask 4 he cant get GTFOH..& Y NOT have a extensive test..this is not ya reg fight ..again arum own words if tha commission says he has 2 then he will..Y NOT do 4 tha sake of this great fight..NOW if he doesnt fight floyd ME being a diehard boxing fan..i dont wanna see him & paulie ..mosley/berto not available..SO collazo & clottey is..U SO SMART y HAVENT THEY SAID THEIR NAMES AS POSS OPPONENTS ANSWER THAT..THEY R AVAILABLE..whats your defense 4 that..cuz my opinion if floyd doesnt fight pacman ..im sure he`s goin after mosley/berto winner..STOP tryin 2 say 2 coverup tha truth im all over tha place..fight collazo/clottey..u know y they not sayin it cuz they seen collazo/berto & they know clottey is a strong tuff SOB..both fighters spell trouble 4 pacman @147..i say take tha test pacman & get ya a$$ beat & exposed..funny how u stay on 1 topic DO you think pacman can win without freddie..answer that..even wit freddie it aint gonna matter cuz he`s not undefeated either..he`s great but he not fighting floyd..u all say they sam sh*t floyd aint done this that ..well FLOYD agreed 2 tha fight & demands 1st..stop ignoring that..i just want them 2 fight so floyd can expose pacman glaring weaknesses that his fans refuse 2 see..4GET EVERYTHING I SAID bout other fights b4..TELL ME HOW PACMAN STRATEGY WISE CAN BEAT FLOYD..i stated floyd strategy numerous times & u guys jump on other things...
Monday Dec 28, 2009 08:01:23 PM
kountedout:  @U Caint get anything right. you are right I do waste my time talking with you. you talk loud and say nothing. cotto was not the best welterweight in boxing by the time manny beat him. how can you say that after margarito had stopped him and paul williams was a welter too. I know you like talking to me to get more knowledge. I understand cause you know nothing
Monday Dec 28, 2009 10:08:46 PM
kountedout:  @The Caint, i dont like talking to someone who brings up comments like the last one you posted so lets just dont comment to each other bc your straying away from boxing into stupid stuff. shows your immaturity level and i dont play those kinds of games. so just dont conversate with me cool!
Monday Dec 28, 2009 10:15:05 PM
Real Talk:  It's a lot of Manny dick riders in here!!! .....! Stamp that!!! ...! FACT not FICTION. you don't know if he's doping or he aint. So stop acting like a FEMALE. eMOTONAL... @ RADAM..... your word has ZERO weightin here cuz you a banzaii....blind sheep Pacman foot soldier. Are you his shadow?!?! I paused the fight to handle my seeds and looked at Pac,,winking AT SOMEBODY IN THE CROWD onhis way back to the corner . I aint never saw somebody fight 5 rounds at full speed and not take a deep breathe. F*ck what you hEARD! Act like it's 40 mill on the table Pac camp...and stop playing the bullsh!t I say Butter ...you say Parkay...=-/ Fake Mutha Fuck#$...Dueces
Monday Dec 28, 2009 11:10:02 PM
The Saint:  @t dogg: First of all, Pacquiao isn't "scared of needles." He claims to be weakened when he gets his blood drawn. Also, you don't seem to get the concept of "innocent until proven guilty." If indeed Pacquiao is on anything illegal, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Pacquiao doesn't need to prove ANYTHING. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him of any wrongdoing. Fact is haters are so blown away by Pacquiao making Mayweather irrelevant by showing the world how a TRUE p4p king should fight, that they are looking for any other reason as to why Pacquiao was able to do things that Mayweather can't do in his wildest dreams. When you require someone to prove that they are clean, that's called an accusation. Prove that he is not. Where's the history? Where's the paper trail? How come nobody's stepping up to expose Pacquiao? Secondly, I have no doubt that Golden Boy and Mayweather are in cahoots with their contact at USADA and two things I am sure of. 1) The "random" blood tests will only be random for Pacquiao, while Mayweather will get plenty of notice beforehand when his blood will be drawn. In my opinion, based on Mayweather's beefed up physique and inability to make 144 are a good indication that he's the one taking steroids. 2) The USADA will tamper with Pacquiao's blood sample to ensure that he tests positive for steroids. The $10million per pound over 147 is to ensure that Mayweather makes weight. This is 100% called for since Mayweather in his most recent fight cheated and never had any intention of making 144. His fine of $600,000 was nothing compared to the unfair advantage he had over JMM as a result of not having to put his body through hell to make 144. What history of steroid usage does Pacquiao have to warrant an unprecedented blood test? You can speculate all you want on why you think Team Pacquiao has not mentioned Clottey, but the fact still remains that Mayweather has NEVER faced anybody of Miguel Cotto's caliber and it is a known fact that Mayweather ducked Cotto as well. And who cares if Pacquiao can't win without Roach? I'm not saying he can or can't, but it doesn't matter because Roach will be there. You might as well argue that Pacquiao can't beat Mayweather if Pacquiao cut off his own left arm. Also, if you think that Mayweather is THAT great and it will take someone of Mayweather's greatness to expose Pacquiao's "glaring weaknesses," then thank you for the compliment! Strategy-wise, this is where we get into the realm of imagination, and I don't want to get into that. It's easy for me to say something like, "If Mayweather does this, then all Pacquiao has to do is this," to which you'll respond with something like, "No way! Mayweather won't let that happen. If Pacquiao does that, Mayweather will do this!" I don't have time for that nonsense.
Tuesday Dec 29, 2009 11:49:01 AM
The Saint:  @ kuntedout: Yes, absolutely Cotto was the best welterweight when Pacquiao beat him. Was Cotto at his absolute best when he fought Pacquiao? Probably not anymore, but he was still the best welterweight. You can make an argument for Paul Williams but the guy has more or less abandoned the welterweight division. Shane Mosley beat a proven cheater in Margarito whose victory over Cotto will forever be in question mark. Unless Margarito proves otherwise in his next few bouts, he is a subpar fighter when not using loaded gloves. Mosley beat a subpar fighter and therefore is not the best welterweight.
Tuesday Dec 29, 2009 12:06:47 PM
tdogg:  @ saint this is tha last time i respond 2 ya pro-pacman answers weakened from a tube of blood .GTFOH..he`s not givin a pint even if he got tested 72hrs b4 tha fight..u mean 2 tell me he`s not mentally/physically strong enuff 2 overcome a tube of blood...o yea thaey gonna put sumtin in it 2 make it postive ..SAINT U R A COMPLETE JACKA$$ 4 THAT STATEMENT..see pacman is a god in your book he can do no wrong..thats just how naive u are wit ya statements...pacman has glaring weaknesses but u jus too blind to see them ..i wish tha make this fight I SWEAR cuz this aint even gonna be competitive watch what i say it may be a boring affair but pacman will get schooled ...watch cuz floyd is superior in all aspects against pacman...& i like pacman ..i really do ..he just goin to tha well 2 many times ..and now against a master boxer & technican..
Wednesday Dec 30, 2009 11:43:57 AM
Mountain God:  Old Flo thought his son was the best until he saw pacman now he's out to disgrace him. he has even said no one can do what pacman has done. now if Pacman walks away from the fight adn wins an 8th weight class champion and also defeats Shane and Bradley what than? Where does that leave the bargaining chips for Floyd? He may fight at a 60/40 split or less if they ever get back to negotiations and if he loses there is no cash cow for GBP it'll be over i for one am hoping for this road. i think that there is serious consideration about that in the duck feather camp
Wednesday Dec 30, 2009 06:17:46 PM

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