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Some Bloody Truth, TSS Style
By Ron Borges
There are more than a few things that could yet stop the much-anticipated fight between Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao but despite the headlines of the moment, blood won’t be one of them. Blood, after all, is what boxing is all about.
Normally the issue is the spilling of blood. Spill too much and you lose. Don’t spill enough of the other guy’s and you lose. Get it in your eye, you may lose. Get it in the other guy’s eye – sneak attack! It’s bloody important the matter of blood in boxing, but Tuesday the issue became bloody awful when Mayweather’s promoter, Oscar De La Hoya, was informed by Pacquiao’s promoter, Bob Arum, that the pound-for-pound champion was refusing to agree to a blood test 30 days before what is expected to be a March 13 showdown between the two fighters that could produce the largest live gate and biggest pay-per-view audience in boxing history.
According to Golden Boy Promotions, who have represented Mayweather throughout the lengthy and on-going negotiations with Arum’s company, Pacquiao is refusing to submit to Olympic style drug testing as mandated by the United States Anti-Doping Agency. Mayweather’s representatives want to be assured Pacquiao, who began his career as a 106-pound fighter but now is overwhelming men as big as 147-pound champion Miguel Cotto and former middleweight belt holder De La Hoya, is not using performance enhancing drugs.
Frankly, it’s not an unreasonable request but then again neither was Pacquiao’s alleged counter proposal that he have his blood tested only before the first press conference that begins the promotion and again after the fight. Doping experts might argue that Pacquiao could be able to have a masking agent in his system by then that would hide any possible use of performance enhancing drugs but unless the two were going to agree to random testing at any time leading up to the fight, which neither are likely to do, what’s the difference because if he knows roughly when the “random’’ test is coming would he not be just as prepared to mask anything he was taking?
Richard Schaefer, Golden Boy’s CEO, said Pacquiao’s refusal has put in jeopardy a fight that is being looked upon as likely to break the live gate record of $18,419,200 and the all-time pay-per-view sales record of 2.44 million, both set two years ago when Mayweather defeated De La Hoya at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. If you truly believe a dispute over when a blood test will be taken is going to keep that kind of money out of the bank accounts of Mayweather and Pacquiao well, you are a very naïve person.
Mayweather has been playing psychological warfare with Pacquiao from the outset, constantly mentioning that while he doesn’t know what the bitter taste of defeat is, Pacquiao does. That is a regularly reminder to Pacquiao that while to this point Mayweather has been unbeatable, the pound-for-pound champion has not.
This latest insistence on blood testing for performance enhancing drugs 30 days before the fight seems only another way to rub Pacquiao the wrong way and try to win the fight before the fight – the psychological one that is often as important as the boxing match itself.
Although nothing is signed or finalized, Schaefer claimed Tuesday that most major points had been agreed to until he was informed by Todd duBoef, president of Top Rank, that Pacquiao was not willing to be tested so close to the fight. This led to a blitz of press releases designed, frankly, to call Pacquiao’s willingness to fight or competitive honesty into question.
“Team Mayweather is certainly surprised that an elite athlete like Manny Pacquiao would refuse drug testing procedures which Floyd has already agreed to and have been agreed to by many other top athletes such as Lance Armstrong and Olympians Michael Phelps, LeBron James and Kobe Bryant,’’ Schaefer said in a prepared statement.
Mayweather then ramped up the pressure on Pacquiao in a companion statement saying, “I understand Pacquiao not liking his blood taken, because frankly I don’t know anyone who really does but in a fight of this magnitude I think it is our responsibility to subject ourselves to sportsmanship at the highest level.
“I’ve already agreed to the testing and it is a shame that he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night.’’
Mayweather went on to say he “hoped’’ Pacquiao would change his mind and his long-time advisor and confidante, Leonard Ellerbee, hinted that a continued refusal could jeopardize the most lucrative fight in boxing history.
“…it is an egregious act to deny the testing and hence, deny the millions of fans the right to see this amazing fight,’’ Ellerbee said. “We just want to make sure there is a level playing field in a sport that is a man-to-man contest that relies on strength and ability.’’
Fair enough and far from unreasonable, but if Pacquiao agrees to pre-and-post fight blood testing for PEDs, which it seems he already has, the likelihood that this bout will not happen because of a 30-day blood test not being in effect is well, RIDICULOUS. By their own admittance, Pacquiao has already agreed to having blood drawn before and after the fight, which is more than the Nevada State Athletic Commission demands. The NSAC only tests urine and does not do more sophisticated tests for human growth hormone.
A week ago Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, said his fighter would take any blood test they wanted. He feels Mayweather is fearful of Pacquiao’s power and the insistence on drawing blood so close to the fight indicates their concern. Perhaps so or perhaps this is just another mind game designed to create drama where no additional tension is needed, but regardless, if this fight were stopped before anyone is bleeding it will make boxing the biggest laughingstock in sports.
It would also be another in a long line of signs that the people who run it are hellbent on marginalizing it even more than it already is. The fact of the matter is these two fighters need each other because they’d have to fight three or four times to earn what each will be paid in one night. If the sport really wants to get back into the consciousness of the general sports fan boxing needs them to fight too and that’s the bloody truth.
So there may be continued discussion of this issue and other issues for some time; but in the end, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and Manny Pacquiao will fight, because while blood may be thicker than water, it is not thicker than cash.
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crottyruh:
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Eventually, I think Manny will submit to any drug testing requirement and make the fight happen. This fight is really important to both men.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:10:58 AM
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Yuvie:
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Pacquiao should agree to this type of blood testing but fight someone else instead, like Bradley, give Mayweather the kick in the balls that he deserves. Mayweather is obviously playing the mind games of a worried man so Pacquiao should play it where it hurts, in Mayweather's pocket. These mega fights may be great on paper but there's one thing I can't stand about them, the pre-fight build-up. We haven't even got to christmas yet and the pre-fight build-up has already started about a month ago. I don't mind these HBO type shows, hyping the fight (but only the one show). As with all these mega fights, still 4 months or so to go and I'm already sick and tired of it and both sets of hardcore fans on both sides. Maybe I'll start looking forward to it come fight week.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:01:38 AM
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bobo olson:
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Forget Mayweather, he doesn;t deserve it, Mosley deserves one last shot......
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:09:50 AM
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ronald:
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Pacquiao's camp has already agreed to have blood testing before and after the fight...What is the big deal? Mayweather's camp should agree on this. pacquiao has the reason which they should respect. To have the blood testing, to prove something, 1 month before and just after the fight has no difference i suppose. So both Mayweathers should agree if they really are not afraid of Pacquiao!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:18:32 AM
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john smith:
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Pacquiao should take the test if he has nothing to hide Just as Mayweather should. Then both should give another test after the test. We should enforce this rule to all sports. Blood doping is a serious issue in our society.
Here are the Rule
1) If found guilty of doping then that team will loose that event and the previous event.
2) 2) Guilty party/person's will be suspended for 6 months.
3) He/she will not be eligible for hall of fame.
4) $500000-1000000 will be imposed immediately to the guilty party/person
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:24:53 AM
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Justin:
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This is sad I am a big Pacman fan . What is he thinking this is just raising doubt about a great athlete....I want to believe he is all natural........Good article RON
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:33:43 AM
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The Saint:
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Mayweather is not simply playing mind games, he is without a doubt looking for a way out. His demand is ridiculous, unprecedented and unwarranted. Perhaps Mayweather should demand Olympic scoring as well, to improve his chances of beating Pacquiao! Pacquiao has agreed to getting his blood drawn after the fight, which is more than fair. If Pacquiao is on anything illegal, it will show up on his blood 24 hours after the fight. I also find it amusing how cordial Mayweather Jr's statement was regarding Pacquiao's stand on the blood testing. This is not typical Mayweather. It sounded almost like a sigh of relief, as though Mayweather saw the light at the end of the tunnel and that there would be way out of this fight that would help him save face and put the blame on Pacquiao. I'm not a blind fanboy and if Pacquiao truly is using some illegal PED, I'll be the first to abandon ship. But it is painfully obvious that Mayweather does not want to fight Pacquiao and is doing everything he can to prevent the fight from happening. And like I said in another post, I believe that both fighters will ultimately sign for March 13th, but sometime before that date, Mayweather will get "injured" and ask for the fight to be postponed to a date that will conflict with Pacquiao's political campaign. Richard Schaefer will then circulate blatant lies to make Pacquiao seem like he's ducking. Mayweather will then fight a lesser foe like Malignaggi. Mayweather-Pacquiao may be the biggest fight in boxing history, but once Pacquiao obliterates Mayweather, Mayweather's marketability will go down the toilet. I think Golden Boy would rather make as much money off of Mayweather in 3 fights against bums.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:35:52 AM
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kountedout:
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how is floyds demand ridiculous when all he is asking for is to make sure nobody is cheating. how is that effecting manny if he is clean? u heard floyd say he hopes manny would re consider. freddie roach at first said that manny would take any test. he didnt think they would bring up the most prolific test around that can find all the stuff that you can hide from just an ordinary drug test. NSAC dont test for hgh and other types of steroids. why do you say floyd dont wanna fight manny when all manny has to do is agree to the testing. it confuses me that manny dont like needles yet he has tattoos??? hmmm if it sounds like a duck then its a duck. I smell smoke. anyone who dont want to see both fighters tested dont respect boxing and is very ignorant. I always wondered why manny always want to train in the philippines now I know
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:08:02 AM
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The Saint:
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@Kountedout: It's ridiculous because number one, this has never been done before, and number two, it makes NO DIFFERENCE if the blood is drawn within 24 hours after the fight, which Pacquiao is more than willing to do.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:11:08 AM
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brownsugar:
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Wow this story was so beautifully articulated,.. I couldn't have said it better myself.....
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:17:08 AM
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brownsugar:
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My grampa used to say "only a hit dog will holla ",.. and I'm hearing way too much yelping from the Pac camp,.. come on,.. lets get this fight going...
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:19:42 AM
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SALT lover:
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It is NOT ridiculous cuz #1, there's a first time for everythin', especially a fight like this which potentially the biggest fight in the sport. And #2, a fight of this magnitude deserves the best drug tests the country (And practically the World) can offer. There's absolutely nothin' wrong with that, and like I have written before, the Nevada State Athletic Commission's tests have been cheated plenty of times before. USADA dopin' tests are way more sophisticated, so there's nothin' wrong with this.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:30:58 AM
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SALT lover@Ron Borges:
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Pretty cool article, but please don't write that title. The hatred against Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0) is so big that for everybody here is Floyd needs Pacquiao, it's Floyd who's the one doin' everythin' wrong, and Pacquiao's the angel. And you are right: Nevada State Athletic Commission is an obsolete testin' process, and not only that, but fighters already know the routine of those tests. I think whole thing is a good thing for both of them. When Floyd Mayweather Sr firs said his opinion about Pacquiao usin' drugs, then Pacquiao countered sayin': "Maybe they're usin' steroids". Well, here's a fair test for both of them. And about the bloods, please, it's an OLYMPIC (Sports) drug testin'. They know how, and where to do it so the athletes won't be affected. It's not like they're gonna take 4 liters of blood the day before XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please....
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:41:50 AM
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The Saint:
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I think Pacquiao haters are facing a catch 22 here. On one hand they want to downplay Pacquiao's destruction of Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya, things that Mayweather is incapable of doing, claiming that each of those fighters were in some way compromised and were not at their best when Pacquiao annihilated them. On the other hand, by accusing Pacquiao of being on some sort of PED, whether they admit it or not, they are acknowledging that the things Pacquiao has done in the ring were astonishing, amazing and downright impossible for any normal human being.
At any rate, don't twist the facts. The fact is, Pacquiao has no problem with getting his blood drawn immediately after the fight, which will still yield the same results if his blood was drawn 24 hours before the fight. Also, Roach said he's willing to get Pacquiao's blood drawn a week before the fight. What more does Mayweather want? He wants out, that's what. Pacquiao doesn't even have to agree to getting it done, period. And like I said, Mayweather should be forced to give up bananas during training.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:41:59 AM
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SALT lover@The Saint:
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More, and more words, less and less meanin'. There's absolutely nothin' wrong with these tests. Like I have written before, I believe Pacquiao is clean, but I just don't see anythin' wrong with this. Nobody here is mentionin' De la Hoya, Cotto, or Hatton (With my exception of a discussion I had with Fe'ROZ). And this is no "way-out" for neiother of them. Both teams have worked hard to get the negotiations as far as they are right now with the place, date, and most importantly (And the hardest part) the money already set. A fight of this caliber deserves the best drug test. Besides, is an opportunity to silence Mayweather Sr, if Pacquiao is indeed clean, which I think he is.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:49:07 AM
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The Saint:
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@ SALT lover: All trash talk aside, don't you think it's more than fair for Pacquiao to agree to blood testing shortly after the fight? If Pacquiao is on anything that will improve his performance on fight night, it will show up on his blood even 24 hours after the fight. I also just read in one article that Roach was willing to get Pacquiao's blood drawn a week before the fight and immediately after. Don't you think that's more than reasonable?
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 10:55:49 AM
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kountedout:
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its all good salt but I know he's not clean. hahaha @the saint, why are you going to the cotto, oscar hatton fights? thats past lets get to the present. this is the fight we wanna see. roach did not say he is willing to get mannys blood drawn a week before the fight. stop making stuff up! If it wasnt for testing Ben Johnson would have gotten a gold medal for beating carl lewis. johnson was stripped and he denied taking anything until they tested him. a cheater will deny until the test comes out. just like a poly test. why did jinkee say if manny keeps on with his affairs some other things will come out that will damage manny? well said brownsugar "ONLY A HIT DOG WILL HOLLA"
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:04:06 AM
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Keith:
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I think the issue here is not whether or not Pacman will take the blood tests. He will and has agreed to. The issue is whether it will be before the press conference and after the fight, like Pacman wants, or randomly, like Mayweather wants. It's a timing issue, nothing more or less than that. I agree with The Saint about Mayweather trying to find a way out of this fight. First of all, Mayweather only had to wait a day after the Pacman v Hatton fight to secure a fight with Pacman. What did he do instead?? Fight a blown up lightweight. Then Mayweather dismissed Pacman's victory over Hatton. But when Pacman bludgeoned Cotto in 12 that's when you started hearing the steroid accusations by the former druggie himself, Floyd Sr. Floyd Jr. didn't go out of his way to call out Pacman after the Cotto fight. As a matter of fact, he dismissed the fight saying Cotto was washed up because of the beating he took against Margarito. Most of the boxers who got on the steroid bandwagon also dismissed the fight. It was only until they realized that Pacman's victory over Cotto could not be overlooked was when the steroid accusations came out. I can assure you that if Pacman had looked bad but won the fight (Lets just say that Pacman won by SD) you wouldn't hear any steroid accusations and you would have heard Mayweather scream out to challenge Pacman because in his eyes this would be an easy fight. But since Pacman destroyed Cotto, a fighter that Mayweather ducked himself, he now finds himself in a position where he has to fight a man that has a LEGIT shot at beating him. People already complain about Mayweather ducking people and fighting smaller guys. There are no more small guys to fight. No more washed up veterans to beat. No more excuses. Only LEGIT WELTERWEIGHTS. Pacman, Mosley, Berto, P-Will, Cintron, Cotto, Margarito. No more suckers left to fight. So now he makes negotiations as painful as possible to try to get out of this fight making Pacman look like he is the one who didn't want the fight. When Pacman calls his bluff there will be an injury of some sort to Mayweather's hand or shoulder or there will be some other ridiculous request that will cause the fight to be canceled making Mayweather look like he was ducked by Pacman, when we all know that if anyone ducks a fighter it's Mayweather (See Margarito's $8 Million dollar offer for further proof)!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:09:16 AM
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The Saint:
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@kuntedout: Yes, Roach absolutely said he was willing for Pacquiao to get his blood drawn a week before the fight. Your boy is running out of excuses.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:10:00 AM
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kountedout:
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@thesaint, wrong again. roach did not. show it too me and i will show you where he said in jan at the beginning of the press conference. i see all you guys like cheaters! this is not about winning or losing this is about being fair and fighting fair. I dont care if manny uses his head in the ring or fights dirty bc floyd can handle whats in the ring. we are only talking about putting something in your body illegaly. all this shows me is that all of you are cheaters and you would do anything to cheat or steal so this dont suprise me whatsoever. your character is nothing to you i see
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:17:07 AM
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The Saint:
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@Keith: Don't bother bringing up the $8 million from Margarito. Mayweather fans have their excuses lined up for that as well. It's hard to argue with Mayweather fans because they have no problem lying and making up stories to win an argument.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:18:26 AM
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The Saint:
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I don't know if this will work, but this is from the LA times. You can manually type the h-t-t-p and the 3 w's before
then type latimes DOT COM sports/la-sp-pacquaio-mayweather23-2009dec23,0,4680842.story
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:23:45 AM
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The Saint:
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@kuntedout: You got pwned again lol. now who's making stuff up?
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:24:33 AM
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The Saint:
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LATIMES DOT COME FORWARD SLASH sports/la-sp-pacquaio-mayweather23-2009dec23,0,4680842.story This is where Roach agreed to the one week blood testing prior to the fight. I forgot to include the forward slash.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:27:14 AM
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ultimoshogun@Saint:
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The reason Mayweather is demanding a random drug test is because they suspect Pacman's using human growth hormone's....which according to the World Anti Doping Agency can only be detected through a blood sample between 24 and 48 hours after use. Therefore Team Pacman shouldn't get a heads up of when the the test will happen...it has to be random.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:46:04 AM
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robocall:
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Drawing blood makes a difference for these two indidividuals. It is a psychological thing where these two persons grew up. Mayweather is used to have blood testing in U.S., but for Pacquiao probably never had that experience until he came into boxing business. He grew up in a remote province in the Philippines where people thinks drawing blood from someone's body is a sign of weakness and it lessens strength of the individual. Two different cultures. If the purpose and only purpose is to find out if someone is taking drugs, what makes it a difference if drawing of blood is taken after the fight, or within 24 hours? I think Mayweather is just looking for some excuses.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:51:08 AM
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The Saint:
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@ultimoshogun: It is ludicrous. This is slander and Golden Boy should be sued. Pacquiao is not on trial here and he doesn't need to rove anything to them and he doesn't need to jump through their hoops. This is about a fight, there is absolutely no reason for Pacquiao to have to go through special testing (which by the way could be tampered with by Mayweather's people). It is utter disrespect for what the man has accomplished, and born out of pure jealousy and denial. But it's nothing new for Pacquiao, everybody has tried to discredit Pacquiao for everything he has accomplished, and this is just the latest blow. People can't just accept the fact that he is great. They don't want to give him credit for anything.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:56:18 AM
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kountedout:
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@ultimoshogun, why is it hard for ppl to understand something so simple. u explained it short and sweet! when a test is done like that no one knows when they will pop up and test you. floyd will have to go through the same test so whats the problem?
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:59:03 AM
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Radam G -- laughin' his ___ ______:
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Money May is going to get knocked out, PERIOD! His latest plot to get out of the fight will backfire. There is BIG laughing going on in Nation Pac, Team Pac and Family Pac. We got that Buffalo Soldier sucka on the retreat. And he is so much easier now to beat. He is giving the fightwriters some copy and hoping that he is up in our heads. He is. NOT! Dick Schaefer, Golden Boy's CEO is a _____. The nowadays leader of "Manifest Destiny." What happen with Money May? Did he lose his Colt 45' sidearm pistol? Hahahahahaha! The sucka has been disarmed and will be harmed. He cannot stands what coming. He oughta just go ahead and be a "Lil Floyd" and listen to his pops and uncle and not fight "dat lil'-a$$ Filipino." See, Family Mayweather talk BIG and in PUBLIC. But what about when the cameras and news people are not there? Holla!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:00:31 PM
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knountedout:
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hahaha The Saint, STOP! u are really embarrassing yourself! hahaha SLANDER?? huh? Its only a test!!!! hahaha what are you afraid of? that something might come out? a test that could be tampered with by floyds ppl? u need to stop! i hope everyone reads your post to see how ignorant most manny fanatics are! You have lost it dude! Its called in denial....The Saint ITS ONLY A TEST!! If manny is clean alls good. I have a funny suspicion that you know hes dirty!! hahahha
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:04:17 PM
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The Saint:
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If Mayweather has no problem getting his blood drawn 24 hours prior to the fight, that's his prerogative. Pacquiao does, and he needs all the energy and strength to fight at his best. Roach's main concern is that there is absolutely no guarantee that Pacquiao's blood won't be drawn 24 hours before the fight. He said that he has no problem with Pacquiao's blood getting drawn a week prior to the fight. You can interpret that however you want, I'm not sure if he means that random testing anytime up until one week prior to the fight is OK with him.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:05:45 PM
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SJ:
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This is strong evidence that Pacquiao is on HGH, which I had thought before. These blood tests do not affect performance - that is nonsense. Sprinters and powerlifters take these tests prior to competition. If Pacquiao has nothing to hide, he should take the test.
And for all of you that are crying about Mosley being so great and deserving a big shot: He is a proven cheat; a proven steroid user. He also is, frankly, not that great a boxer. He was outboxed by Cotto, and demolished by a soft-hitting Winky Wright twice.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:18:08 PM
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kountedout:
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yeah when you are a cheat you are worried about having your blood drawn. what are you talking about. I know fighters that have had blood drawn the day of the weighin. when you let a guy know when he is going to be tested he can try and get around it. with this situation they dont warn you when they are going to test you. all this is doing is showing how WEAK MANNY IS MENTALLY!! this is one of the all time lame excuses in boxing history to not fight. hahaha
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:18:20 PM
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The Saint:
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@kuntedout: No it's not "only a test." What they are doing is requiring Pacquiao to PROVE that he's innocent. That's called an ACCUSATION. This is about principle. Pacquiao does not need to have to defend himself, it is a downright insult. Mayweather just wants the pleasure of looking like the boss, of making someone do something they don't want to do. He's going after Pacquiao's pride, which they know is immovable. This is Mayweather's glorious ticket to back out of the fight and blame Pacquiao. What Richard Schaefer did is utterly unprofessional and puts the fight in real jeopardy not because of what's being demanded, but by the shameless disrespect they are showing towards Pacquiao. Why would you conduct business with anyone who publicly accuses you of being dirty? If the blood testing was a real deal breaker and Golden Boy truly wanted to get this resolved, they would sit down with Team Pacquiao and Arum and get things straightened out. Instead, Richard Schaefer went on record, putting words in Pacquiao's mouth and misleading the public on Pacquiao's true stand. They are bullying Pacquiao. Things like this are discussed behind closed doors. The fight is already being formally negotiated, it is not the time for mudslinging. You save that for AFTER the fight has been secured, and all the trash talk will only generate more interest. I find it interesting that Mayweather already had a prepared statement that was written in the politest way. He is trying hard to look like the good guy and making Pacquiao look like the bad guy. Mayweather is truly hoping that Pacquiao will not agree to their unreasonable demands because Mayweather doesn't want Pacquiao. The funny thing is, Pacquiao will ultimately agree to the testing and I can't wait to see what excuse Mayweather will come up with next.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:20:59 PM
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Radam G -- everyone who is saying that Money May is scare is right:
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All good and great and powerful pugilist have fear. The oldtimers called it "butterflies." Once you lose those bufferflies -- or the control of them -- you are doom, paraphasing the late, great pugilistic guro Eddie Futch. Money May is doom! He is no longer controlling those butterflies -- FEAR! Fear is like fire. Stick your hands above it, you can warn them up. Stick your hands in it, you will burn them up. Money May has stuck his whole arse in to the fire. The sucka is burning. Wow! Must be HOT! Burn MONEY, BURN! "Lil Floyd" luvs to burn money. "His a$$ is gonna be broke back Grand Rapids," Pops Joy May said a few years ago. Joy's little "hardheaded-a$$" seed is burning. The great leader of nowadays Manifest Destiny Dickhe*d Schaefer is throwing Buffalo Soldier Lil Floyd Mayweather to the datu. Yall can support him like a soldier if you like. I know a soldier -- a lot of 'em. Money May is no soldier of combat. He is a soldier of cowardice, grandstanding and pure fright. Holla!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:24:13 PM
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SALT lover@The Saint:
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I think more reasonable than that is agreeing to those testin' ANYTIME: before, during, and/or after. If Pacquiao is indeed clean (Which I think he is), there's no reason to refuse this. I don't know much about this things, but checkin' shortly before the fight seems to me much better and safer for the proof of Pacquiao's cleanness. It's not like they're gonna take four cans full of blood the day before. It could bve like you're sayin', maybe it could be shortly after the fight, but I just can't understand why the refusal if he indeed is clean, and he has given two different reasons that doesn't make sense with his personal life. That's the way I see it.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:27:16 PM
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kountedout:
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@The Caint, you still dont get it. if you had a speculations floyd was dirty you would try an rip a hole into him. well guess what..HE'S NOT! There was accusations against margarito to that he used dirty wraps on cotto and everyone jumped on him and nobody knows other then god and team margarito. why do you take test? to see if someone has hiv or hep b or c. and to see if someone is taking something illegal. This is a test that is going to make sure everyone is on a fair playing field. MANNY IS WEAK MINDED! i saw him laying down on the canvas before and not getting up. this is not false accusations this is facts. If manny was the only fighter taking the test then you have an argument about accusations but BOTH fighters are taking the test and floyd has already signed off on it. brownsugar said that it was already in the contract and they both agreed on it at first. hahaha having second thoughts?? hahaha
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:32:43 PM
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The Saint:
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@SALT lover: @kuntedout: No it's not "only a test." What they are doing is requiring Pacquiao to PROVE that he's innocent. That's called an ACCUSATION. This is about principle. Pacquiao does not need to have to defend himself, it is a downright insult. Mayweather just wants the pleasure of looking like the boss, of making someone do something they don't want to do. He's going after Pacquiao's pride, which they know is immovable. This is Mayweather's glorious ticket to back out of the fight and blame Pacquiao. What Richard Schaefer did is utterly unprofessional and puts the fight in real jeopardy not because of what's being demanded, but by the shameless disrespect they are showing towards Pacquiao. Why would you conduct business with anyone who publicly accuses you of being dirty? If the blood testing was a real deal breaker and Golden Boy truly wanted to get this resolved, they would sit down with Team Pacquiao and Arum and get things straightened out. Instead, Richard Schaefer went on record, putting words in Pacquiao's mouth and misleading the public on Pacquiao's true stand. They are bullying Pacquiao. Things like this are discussed behind closed doors. The fight is already being formally negotiated, it is not the time for mudslinging. You save that for AFTER the fight has been secured, and all the trash talk will only generate more interest. I find it interesting that Mayweather already had a prepared statement that was written in the politest way. He is trying hard to look like the good guy and making Pacquiao look like the bad guy. Mayweather is truly hoping that Pacquiao will not agree to their unreasonable demands because Mayweather doesn't want Pacquiao. The funny thing is, Pacquiao will ultimately agree to the testing and I can't wait to see what excuse Mayweather will come up with next.
There's a principle at stake here, too. Golden Boy is accusing Pacquiao of cheating. That's not a small thing. They are forcing Pacquiao to have to defend his character and for Pacquiao to have to do that is truly beneath him and is insulting. Is Mayweather going to require all his future opponents to go through random blood testing? Why hasn't he before? Why Pacquiao? What they are saying is that they are not convinced that Pacquiao is wouldn't have done what he did to Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya if he wasn't using some type of PED. That is unprofessional and disrespectful. It's no less disrespectful than if Mayweather was required to bare his backside on the weigh in to make sure he doesn't have a tail.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:35:30 PM
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@SALT lover; I cut and paste too much. but here:
There's a principle at stake here, too. Golden Boy is accusing Pacquiao of cheating. That's not a small thing. They are forcing Pacquiao to have to defend his character and for Pacquiao to have to do that is truly beneath him and is insulting. Is Mayweather going to require all his future opponents to go through random blood testing? Why hasn't he before? Why Pacquiao? What they are saying is that they are not convinced that Pacquiao is wouldn't have done what he did to Cotto, Hatton and De La Hoya if he wasn't using some type of PED. That is unprofessional and disrespectful. It's no less disrespectful than if Mayweather was required to bare his backside on the weigh in to make sure he doesn't have a tail.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:36:26 PM
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kountedout:
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all you can say floyd is scared if that makes you feel good. but one thing i do know is that MANNY IS A WEAK MINDED fighter that has to have a substance to enhance his performance. I do think hes dirty! manny wasnt has big as corrales and castillo and floyd wasnt afraid of them all that happen was another victory for floyd. you cant beat floyd mentally and the so called ppl who is in the know in boxing knows this sport is 80% mental. WEAK MINDED MANNY cant handle it. everytime manny has been floored I have never seen him get off that canvas. that's a sign of giving up. WEAK!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:41:10 PM
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@The Caint, his wife is accusing him of cheating too so what are you talking about! a cheat is a cheat! I think thats about character too right!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:43:23 PM
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No, no, no, dude. COMPLETELY disagree with all you just wrote. First of all, since day one Mayweather Sr everytime he has brought the Pacquiao-steroid thing he has said: "I think", "I believe", "My honest opinion". Those are NOT accusations, those are opinions. And like kountedout said, if it was Floyd demandin' a test for Pacquiao, and just Pacquiao, then you'd had a point of Floyd wantin' to look like the boss. First off, he couldn't get 60-40 split which he wanted, then he had to accept Pacquiao's date demands. Floyd is hardly lookin' like the "boss" in this. This is just a SIMPLE and CLEAN testin' for both fighters, and there are two main reasons why it is very acceptable and understandable: #1 Nevada State Athletic Commissioin's tests can be cheated (It happened in the past. I don't know how many times do I have to write this), and #2, if Pacquiao is clean, and I believe he is, then there's no reason not to accept it and provin' Mayweathers wrong, specifically Floyd Sr. And the next comment you wrote, no it's not disrespectful. Doubtin' someone is not disrespectful. It's not pleasant; it's not somethin' anybody would feel happy, or OK about, but it's a fair thing. Pacquiao acceptin' the demands and provin' to be clean with the USADA testin' would fire back at the Mayweathers and would this whole story once and for all. There's absolutely nothin' wrong with this.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:50:02 PM
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If anyone believes the words of Floyd Sr. WITHOUT PROOF means you are a very very gullible person. So if Floyd Sr. says that smoking crack can make you fly like Superman would you believe that too. Give me a break. All this talk of Pacman and steroids comes from jealousy. Everyone is mad because Pacman is getting all the attention. Cintron should keep his mouth shut. All he does is get knocked out. Paulie should keep quiet. He's mad because nobody cares about him and nobody wants to see him in the ring fighting. Floyd is scared to death and is mad that the attention is not on him. What a broad! Attention wh0r3! Playing mind games. Pacman ain't never cheated and everybody knows that. The people who play the mind games are the one's who are scared! It really doesn't matter how many times blood is drawn he's going to come up clean. When he does and then goes on to defeat Mayweather what excuse will you give then??? Will the testing have been good enough then?? Was the ring too small?? Were the gloves too small?? Did he have an injury prior that he didn't want people to know about but fought anyway "like a champ"?? Did Pacman use a new PED that can't be detected?? Let me guess....the random testing was done incorrectly and Team Pacman knew when the testing was coming?? Which excuse will Mayweather use when he loses?? I can't wait to see what you Mayweather Nuthuggers come up with next!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:54:25 PM
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@kuntedout: Not that you would know, but there is a professional way of conducting business, and this isn't it. When you're trying to get a multi million dollar deal put together, you don't act unprofessionally and try to make the other party look bad. If Richard Schaefer truly wanted this fight to happen and if Pacquiao had a potential deal-breaking issue with the blood testing, Schaefer wouldn't have gone public to try to humiliate Pacquiao. However, the REAL deal-breaker, and Golden Boy knows this, is THEIR disrespectful conduct towards Pacquiao, which they are HOPING Pacquiao wouldn't tolerate, thus leading to the negotiations falling flat. With this sum of money involved, I'm sure they could even talk Pacquiao into taking cyanide before the fight, but they are attacking Pacquiao's integrity and they have intentionally crossed the line to ensure that this fight doesn't happen.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:56:18 PM
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uruk-hai:
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The fact that the writer even entertained notions of Pac doping has gotta be one of the most dumbest post in the long history of boxing journalism? How old is this ron borges guy Mr. Avila??? Is he 18 or something? Coz in journalism school, the way he presented his article is the quickest method of getting a fail-grade. No need to post this mr. Avila just read and contemplate. Ur all old enough to have common sense anyway.....,,,,,,,,,,, Why does American boxing spoil Mayweather? That's a simple question that u as a writer should think about.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 12:59:20 PM
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Keith:
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@Salt Lover: To have Olympic style testing in boxing when it is not mandated means you believe that your opponent is a cheat. If he didn't believe that Pacman was cheating then there would be no such testing. Think about this: Has Mayweather EVER requested any fighter he has ever fought in his career to take such testing?? No he hasn't, which shows me he will go out of his way to distract and disrupt Pacman to gain the advantage.The fact that Mayweather agreed to the testing is a none point because what would he look like if he didn't agree to his own stipulation just like Pacman agreed to his stipulation about the fine that would be imposed if Mayweather comes in overweight?? You can't use the fact that Mayweather is being tested as an argument. Like I said before in an earlier post, there would be no such testing had Pacman looked less than impressive when he fought Cotto. This is just a ploy for Mayweather to rattle Pacman early and to make himself out to be the good guy which won't work anyway. Pacman will agree to the testing and then GBP will want the ring to be 50 X 50! If it ain't one thing it's another and eventually Mayweather will find a way out of this fight.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 01:09:00 PM
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It means Mayweather Jr has doubts of the legality of Pacquiao's success, yes. But that doesn't mean is not justified, and LEGAL to do. He' not makin' himself to look like nothin'. And no, this ain't no mind games. The Mayweathers are old-school when it comes to mind games, and they use the biggest thing they got after money, and that is their mouths. They play mind games with their mouths, not with anythin' that's under contract (Which Pacquiao accepted and now is suddenly havin' second thoughts) You mean to tell me, they're gonna go this far, just to get into Pacquiao's psych? No, man. That's incorrect. Like I wrote, Floyd has already accepted some terms that Team Pacquiao has demanded. Sayin' this is some sort of "way0out", and especially AT THIS particular point is wrong and innaccurate.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 01:29:43 PM
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Radam G -- Wow!:
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Boxing Talk dot net is reporting that the Bobfather said that Manny Pacquiao is taking that so-called Olympic type of steroids testing. What will Family Mayweather do now to get out of the end of his undefeated record? No goose eagg for that chicken. And that is if he steps in that squared jungle against PacMan. It will be down goes the clown -- Money May! Money May will probably pullout and claim that Pac Man is scared of him, so he is fighting the Evil Vic at a catchweight for calling him out, lmfao! Holla!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 01:34:53 PM
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@Salt Lover: It's not justified because there has been no proof of anything other than Pacman beating down everybody. Where was this accusation when Pacman KO'd Hatton or DLH?? The reason you didn't hear anything is because they didn't have to find a new excuse for why Pacman was winning. The excuse they used was that since Mayweather beat them first they were washed up. But when Pacman beat someone that Mayweather ducked then they had to come up with something to delegitimize Pacman's win. I don't think they even expected Pacman to win and when he did, and in the fashion that he did it in, they got worried. Because after all how could Mayweather not fight him. He had no where to go. No more bums and lightweights and over the hill vets to fight. Either fight or retire. I don't think he would have Mosley go though this kind of testing and we know Mosley took something. But here is the point: Of all these years of being a welterweight he has never stepped to plate to fight a top welterweight contender (Judah was coming off of a loss and Baldomir WAS NOT a top welterweight.PERIOD). Everyone he has fought has had very little shot to beat him. He's made excuses and dodged the most talented in his division for years. Everyone is tired of the excuses. Tired of the mind games. Fighters fight, businessmen use negotiation tactics. Choose one. This is one reason why boxing is down as a sport right now. I can respect Mayweather for his skills in the ring. Without a doubt he's one of the best. I question the man's heart! I question his fighting spirit!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:08:38 PM
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Sounds like we're all getting screwed....ESPN just reported that Arum has told The Grand Rapids Press that the fight is now off. I'm a Pacquiao fan but if he's really walking away from a huge payday over a random blood test it sends up some red flags in my opinion. I'm not a Mayweather supporter, but I don't fault him for this in any way...he was simply asking to be sure it was a level playing field. Is that not what Team Pacman demanded of Cotto by making him fight at 145lbs to level the playing field? Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they make some compromise and make the fight happen.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:17:01 PM
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Yes it is, Keith. Yes it is. The fact that many fighters have tested clean with the same tests Pacquiao's usin', when they were NOT clean, that by itself makes a justified reason to. And to add things up, if Pacquiao accept those testings, and comes clean, he will definitely shut Floyd Mayweather Sr's mouth for good. There is absolutely nothin' else Floyd will say about Pacquiao, other than he will beat him. I agree that the way Pacquiao has defeated those opponents were a good reason for all of this, but it's not just the Mayweathers. It's not just Cintron, or Malignaggi, it's a whole bunch of people, but the difference is that they are not sayin' it out loud. This USADA drug testin', and the REQUIREMENTS (Forget about just after the fight, or before press-conferences), just follow the requirements to do so at any demandin' time, and come clean, and there it is: a huge smack in the mouth of Mayweathers, and they'll have nothin' else to say. Pacquiao submittin' to the tests and provin' he's for real is great not just for this fight, it won't just make Mayweathers look bad, but it's also good for the sport. Regardless of what people say here now, Pacquiao's refusal will bring some question marks in his resumé, question marks I believe don't belong there. I was wrong when he beat De la Hoya, and David Diaz, and I agreed the Miguel Cotto Victory was a great one, but I just don't understand, if he is clean, why simply don't accept the testin' and all requirements? What's the problem? People say that he's "innocent until proven guilty", well then ,proof your innocence with a much more sophisticated, more effective, and better testin' than the routinary, obsolete, easy-to-cheat Nevada State Athletic Commission ones. I honestly thought, when they brought this whole Olympic testin' stuff, that Pacquiao was gonna accept no matter how, or at what time, and now he proven me wrong again, but in a negative manner for him. There's absolutely nothin' wrong with this.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:21:48 PM
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The Saint:
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@ultimoshogun: You will hear PLENTY of contradicting reports. Hold on to your hat.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:24:20 PM
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dbeals:
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The Saint: You are right. It's never been done before, but neither has this amount of money been on the line either. Plus, if you are clean, what's the big deal? If a police officer pulls you over and ask if you have any drugs in the car and you say no. He then may ask if you mind if he takes a look and you say no. He will get a warrant because he may have probable cause to search. Probable cause to test Manny is the fact that he is doing something thats not normal. He could be super human or he could just be that good, but the probable cause to check is still there.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:30:48 PM
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@SALT lover: I don't know how hard it is to understand that fighters, especially of Pacquiao's and Mayweather's stature, have egos. Pacquiao doesn't need to answer to Mayweather Sr, he doesn't have to prove anything to him. He doesn't need Mayweather Sr's approval, or Cintron's, or Paula "I wish I was a" Malignigga. For Pacquiao to accept these terms is degrading, but two things I know for sure. First, Pacquiao will ultimately agree to this and second, Mayweather will find another way out.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:38:21 PM
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Kourty:
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" A FIGHT OF THIS MAGNITUDE NEEDS AN OLYMPIC TYPE OF BLOOD TEST".
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
DID THE ALI VS FRAZIER TRILOGY, HOLYFIELD VS TYSON, LEWIS VS TYSON, DELA HOYA VS MAYWEATHER HAVE DONE THIS TYPE TESTING?
HEARNS VS LEONARD? HAGLER VS LEONARD? DURAN VS HEARNS?!
Seriously?!?!?!?!?!
Those were monumental fights before, and they don't even need PPVs in the 1970s and 1980s!!!!!!!!!!
GET LOST FLOYD.
IF EVER PACMAN AGREES TO THIS CRAP, YOU ALREADY WON THE PSYCH BATTLE. NOT A FAIR PLAY.
BUT IF HE DOES, YOU WILL BE THE GREATEST LAUGHING STOCK OF BOXING AFTER DURAN'S NO MAS!!!!!!!!!!
COUNT ON THAT!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:42:33 PM
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Keith:
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@Salt Lover: Pacman will take the tests just not randomly like Mayweather wants it. If Pacman agrees to the random drug testing that means he is subject to testing at anytime prior to the fight. It could be a 4am the day before the fight. It could be in the dressing room before the fight. Thus the word "random". Team Pacman doesn't like this and you can't blame them because this will disrupt Pacmans mental focus an ultimately play into the hands of Mayweather, which is the real reason why they want this testing done. They could care less about the steroids. They just want to disrupt things as much as possible. Look at all the press they have got because of this and look at Mayweather's statement. We know he didn't write that!! He's trying to be the good guy and that's not going to work. Also, notice how they are spinning the statements. Everyone, including a lot of people on this site, have been saying that Pacman doesn't want to take the tests and that not true. He agreed to the testing but he doesn't like the random aspect of it because it can disrupt his training. The Mayweather camp know this and this is why the are making a big deal of it.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 02:57:11 PM
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1-2-punch:
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Ding Ding! Round 1: Blood test - you give in, you lost the mind game; you dispute, you win.
Ding Ding! Round 2: Weight - you go over limit, you pay. you don't pay, you lost.
Ding Ding! Round 3: Fight - you fight Pacman, your dead!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:16:27 PM
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The Saint:
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@Keith- Chaos and disorder are the key ingredients to Mayweather fans' "critical thinking" skills. Also, it is absolutely true what you say about "random." The no-brainer response is something like, "well who is actually going to get to Pacquiao at 4am the day before the fight and do the blood test?" But the fact is, unless specific language is put on paper that protects Pacquiao from such an intrusion, nothing guarantees that it won't happen. Richard Schaefer is a horrible, unprofessional businessman. I'm not sure I can even blame the Mayweathers for this whole Olympic drug testing fiasco. Richard Schaefer is behind all this, he took Mayweather Sr's idea and ran with it.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:16:41 PM
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SALT lover@Keith:
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It's not just people here, that's everywhere. All over the internet I've been findin' "Pacquiao refuses to take tests" articles. And what's wrong with random testin'? What's wrong with that? What is wrong with testin' you randomly? That's the best way it could be, and I don't believe the fight will carry on if Pacquiao doesn't take randomly like it SHOULD be. And if that's the case then it's really sad on behalf of Pacquiao. I do not agree with you sayin' Floyd wants to make himself look like the "good guy" cuz dude XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's impossible. The hatred against Floyd is so huge, people will hate him, even if he gorws wings and an aura ring over his head. Bottomline, this is not about mind games, or whatever, this is about legality, and the fairness of the sport, and Pacquiao has a chance to beat the Mayweather family both in and out of the ring.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:20:00 PM
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I'll say Manny damp Mayweather and concentrate on your other carrier even retire.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:23:35 PM
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SALT lover@The Saint:
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I already wrote to you plenty of times today and you just don't get it. I already explained the worst part of the negotiations has passed them, both teams have worked hard in makin' this fight, so at THIS point sayin' what yu're sayin' is pure NONSENSE. NO, this ain't no "way-out" for neither of them. And about the egos, the money part is the one that tests these egos. Who deserves more money is the one True ego test between the two, and they managed it just fine. Keep writin' what you're writin', I already answered all of that, and proven my point plenty of times. I just don't know what else, or how else explain it...
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:23:36 PM
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The Saint:
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@SALT lover- Can you guarantee that the random drug testing will not take place an hour before Pacquiao steps into the ring? What about in-between rounds? Hence the term "random" is a misnomer, because its random nature has limitations, but those limitations have to be put on paper. And no, money is NOT the only matter that egos are hanging on. Everything from who walks into the ring first, who gets introduced first, etc., is part of it. Most definitely, being subjected to a procedure that's never been done in pro boxing based on an accusation that one is taking PED's, is as ego-sensitive as anything. By the way, there's a new column on here regarding Arum's response.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:32:28 PM
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I didn't say money was the "ONLY" thing that involves egos, but it is the one that plays the most part in that. And the rest of the things, I don't know. I don't much about drugs testin', but it's just that I don't see what's the problem if one is clean to submit to any testin' the other team wants.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 03:42:36 PM
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Olympic style drug testing is not the "NORM" in boxing. Olympic style drug testing is not even use in NBA or NFL period. Why insult Nevada style testing? Why Floyd suddenly have fears that MANNY is using STERIODS when PAC has always come clean..... The only answer I can come up with is FLOYD SCARED. Maybe he doesn't want PAC on March 13. But he rather fight a tune up fight on that day instead against Matthew Hatton. But Floyd can't admit he's not ready. That makes Floyd a COWARD. No boxing world world would even try to appeased Floyd by agreeing on prefight announcement, 30 days prior to actual fight, and immediately after fight. Time after time, PAC has passed all known drug testing faciliated by Nevada testing program. Bottomline: Floyd is SCARED.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 05:26:14 PM
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The demand of Mayweather is absolutely ridiculous considering that there is the NSAC that tests all boxers in their turf! Are you now saying that the Nevada State Athletic Commission is incompetent when it comes to procedures and testings? Are they corrupt? who set rules in boxing? Is it not the governing body? Of course not the Mayweathers who is under them and all the boxers in their turf! I'd like to believe that Mayweather is just fearful of being knockout by a little guy! Compromise should be done in this fight to hit again the ground by subjecting both of the HAIR SAMPLE to determine if they use drugs! Hair sample is better than blood sample but URINE SAMPLE IS THE MOST ACCURATE OF ALL!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 07:12:27 PM
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Floyd can't win this fight by using his mouth. He needs to use his fists, face Manny in the ring, Or if he feels he don't stand a chance against Manny, he should JUST BE HONEST and LET EVERYBODY KNOW he is SCARED OF MANNY. And how are we going to call this fight a MEGAFIGHT when it looks like a MEGA FEAR is wrapping up Floyds spirit.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 07:15:37 PM
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@everyone...Hey people...why are we so inclined in discussing this nonsense drug testing...the simple fact that we only consider is the true warrior spirit within a fighter...no steroid or with steroids if you have a warrior's heart you go in there and fight...these excuses that is being thrown by mayweather's camp is just a lame excuse of mayweather jr. not to fight pacman..what levelling and fair fight we are talking here? Is it not that mayweather is a much bigger fighter? 5'8 or 9" inches in height, 5 inches longer in reach, bulky body...mayweather has already the biggest advantage...mayweather said he is the best, fastest, skillful fighter than the two... so why is he demanding so many things...Just fight pacman and show that you are the best....I'm sick and tired of these demands..In the first place it should be pacman demanding some on this fight because he is the champion and is putting his belt on this fight not the other way around..Stop this bullying around..Just say so mr. mayweather jr..If you want to fight go in that ring and fight..and you will get our respect coz you got that warrior's heart..We all just want to see a fight, a good fight nothing more and nothing less!!
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 07:30:12 PM
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you guys act like you know manny personally or is going to get into the ring and fight for him. roberto "hands of stone" duran who is probably the greatest lightweight to ever fight. he not could punch and he had great skills. manny pacquiao could never ever come close to being as great as he was. he went from lightweight to super middleweight. when he moved up in weight he didnt carry his awesome power with him. he didnt knockout any of the good fighters at 147. he couldnt carry that power because he was hitting bigger men. manny is not nor ever will be on that level of a roberto duran. get over it and live with it. when floyd beats manny i wanna hear all of these people talking. hahaha
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 08:05:56 PM
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hemi:
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So, in order to preserve the integrity of all amateur and professional sports, mandatory random drug testing must be performed by the Olympics Anti-Doping body to all athletes in every sports - except maybe for bowling, billiards, curling, ... etc. Think of the ramifications of this idea.
And any athlete that consistently performs better than his/her peers shall be tested more than usual because a drug addict has suspicions.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 08:21:56 PM
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facfan:
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Pacman lost to Morales and admitted he felt weak and tired during the first fight. They drawn blood from him the night before...
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 08:40:23 PM
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boxing fan:
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PEOPLE! The writer is correct: "Frankly, it’s not an unreasonable request but then again neither was Pacquiao’s alleged counter proposal that he have his blood tested only before the first press conference that begins the promotion and again after the fight. Doping experts might argue that Pacquiao could be able to have a masking agent in his system by then that would hide any possible use of performance enhancing drugs but unless the two were going to agree to random testing at any time leading up to the fight, which neither are likely to do, what’s the difference because if he knows roughly when the “random’’ test is coming would he not be just as prepared to mask anything he was taking?"
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 08:54:09 PM
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This is more a matter of principle. Floyd is getting away with a lot of things here. He is trying to put everybody in a boring ride. He is treating the Pacman and all the boxing fans like dogs. If he says jump, we all say how high. If he says roll over, we say how many and if he says play dead, we say today or tomorrow? Why would he be calling the shots? why is he able to break all the rules. It's like the boxing rules doesn't apply to him and he is given the right to make up his own set of rules. Roach is right in saying that Mayweather is just a boxer and not a member of the boxing commission who can just revise the boxing regulations to suit his needs. Mayweather said that he just wants to make sure that there is fairplay when the fight pushes through and wants to make sure that nobody cheats but he forgot that he deliberately cheated when he fought Marquez when he weighed in 2 lbs over the agreed limit. The irony of it all is that he is making the experts look stupid and even educated people like you believe their family's dumb, uneducated thinking. Doctors and specialists will tell you that whatever is in a persons system can be detected anytime. a day before the fight or a day after the fight doesnt make any difference. you can't just piss away the substances that you ingest. that is so damn stupid. There are two kinds of people in the world, the genuinely stupid people or people who are just acting stupid. what kind are you?
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 09:12:08 PM
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For those of you who are putting the blame on Pacquiao....LISTEN. Pacquiao agreed to have the blood test taken 30 days before and right after the fight. CANT YOU GET IT?? in blood testing, what PED can you detect on the day before the fight that you cant detect right after the fight? then you say pacquiao has something to hide? MORONS. Pacquiao wants to have the blood test right after the fight so he is not hiding anything. Mayweather will make sure Pacquiao's blood is drawn the day before or during fight day to make sure Pacs vaunted power is diminished. SMART ASS COWARD NEGRO!
how come Mayweather is so afraid of a one dimensional midget fighter who he says "has no chance of winning against him"? why so suddenly requesting for olympic style blood testing? SO AFRAID and now CHICKENING OUT of the fight? if he really considers fighting Mosley, will he demand the same blood testing from a fighter who admitted to have used steroids? MAYWEATHER BULL CRAP AS USUAL.
Wednesday Dec 23, 2009 11:31:16 PM
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mayweather is scared period.. end of discussion. manny doesnt need to comply with any of these drug testing issues but he did just for the sake of boxing. it all begun with mayweather sr accusations, he should be sued.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 12:25:27 AM
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Isaiah:
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Kountedout, are you really the Count on Seasame Street? 1 exscuse, 2 exscuse, 3 exscuse, ah, ah, ah... Listen dude, first of all, if Manny gets his blood taken within 24 hours after the fight, all results will STILL be there! I just read that leading up to Pacquiao/Moralles 1, Pacquiao had blood taken from him the night before and felt weak. Considering what happened in the rematch, I tend to believe him. China_boy made the point very well as well about this blood thing. Hey, if you were training for the fight of your life, would you want random blood tests at anytime of the day or night?! Seriously! I would want to be focused on training! You Mayweather fans have NO basis for your arguement! The best I've read is that you all say, "DUH... WELL, MANNY CHEATED ON HIS WIFE, SO HE MUST BE A CHEATER IN EVERYTHING ELSE." Get real! I don't give a crap about Manny's personal life! I pay to watch him fight and he's agreed to everything within reason and then some. Mayweather doesn't get to change all the rules everytime the wind blows. He's a boxer and that's all he is. If Mayweather had his way, he'd have Manny hooked up to an IV while fighting him. The public has awakened to the FraudWeather! The BS tactics WON'T cut it anymore! Your boys BIG money making days are about through. We are seeing the beginning of my prediction come to pass. Mayweather will die alone and broke. Just like I said before, mark my words.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 01:03:13 AM
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kountedout:
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@Isaiah, you got jokes and the biggest joke or idiot is you! when you talk about excuses you tell me which one is it since you are cleaning the basement of mannys house. he said he don't like needles, but yet he has tattoos. he said he was weak against morales when he lost. is that an excuse? you are a joke! the fight will happen. you say you dont give a crap about manny personal life but you sure do give a crap about floyds. saying he will die alone and broke! hahaha is that talking about his personal life. when manny liver and kidney start to fail him then we wont have to have a test. hahaha your jealously of floyd is evident man! you need to get a life. manny has drug fighters to stages of being weak in the ring and you are proud of that. manny is a phony as i said and he is a mediocre steroid freak! whats gonna happen when floyd neutralizes that lil midget and connects to the body! we have seen him on the canvas before. once he visited the canvas he will go again.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 01:54:02 AM
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Isaiah:
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@kountedout. Manny mediocre? Naw, but your mom was mediocre. I'll believe Floyd beating Manny when I see it. It'll happen on the 12th of NEVER!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 02:16:10 AM
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kountedout:
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@isaiah, that shows how ignorant you are! are you proud of yourself. you must have an awful life! hahaha words dont bother me but i see they bother you. hahaha yeah he is a mediocre troll. you have showed you are not a man at all just a boy! keep it up okay hahaha
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 02:37:14 AM
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Mike:
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Well these posts are all childish, I cant believe I wasted my time reading through these to find out any pertinent information and all I got was name calling and childish bickering. TSS has a reputation of well thought out discussions in the forums and a lot of you people are talking a metaforicle deuce on that. Keep the forum for discussions of the sport we all love and leave the childish namecalling for the schoolyard. Manny has his opinion on the drug tests and Floyd has his. I gaurentee this will get resolved and I think everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill. This will get ironed out and the fight will be a good one. I just hope that respectful discussion on TSS will make a comeback like mayweather did from retirement and like manny did against morales.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 03:37:11 AM
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observer:
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Blood testing may not hurt physically but it would do untold damage to the psychological well-being of a very superstitious person like Pacquiao, who goes on "unchanged routines" before and after the bout (like kneeling in a corner & praying). If Pacquiao "superstitiously believes" that drawing blood thru needles will drain him, then he is not in the proper frame of mind to fight Mayweather. He will be so piqued that he'll charge Mayweather like he used to do in the 1st Morales fight. All Mayweather has to do is wait and pick him apart.
Furthermore it will take a lot of convincing for Pacquiao to agree to what Mayweather wants (olympic style drug testing).
My suggestion: RESET the Mayweather fight... let Pacquiao fight another fighter under these olympic style random drug testing, which will prove that drawing blood from needles won't drain him as much as what he falsely & superstitiously believes in. Once Pacquiao learns that his speed & power has not left him despite drawing blood within 24 hours from the fight, then he can take the Mayweather fight confidently and get blood drawn as close as 1 hour before the fight for both fighters.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:00:42 AM
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kountedout:
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carlos palomino thinks manny is dirty! hahaha we all know he is dirty and @isaiah i know we have struck a nerve with and your ignorance is coming out! when you strike a nerve that means we have your attention and you are scared that your boy will be exposed of peds. you have never done anything in boxing so what do you know about how the athletic commissions medicals consist of? tell me what meds you need when you go get your license without looking it up on the internet. you are your own fool! carlos palomino has nothing against manny why would he even say that. and he said its nothing wrong with what floyd is asking. now get upset with palomino.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 11:06:25 AM
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willyam:
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I try to keep things real simple and to the point. With that said Barry Bonds went from looking like a wide reciever to looking like a middle linebacker and his power numbers soared! Roger Clemens was pitching like a shell of his former self, but miracously he unhittable and he looks like he has fountain of youth! The problem is he was 38! Do you Pacquiao fans see what i am driving at. Now Manny starts out at 107 and is now competing @ 147 and the most incredible part is he is carrying his power up in weight (which is unheard of) and knocking out legitimate welterweights. I know better and so do you Ron!
First he doesn't want to mess with his rituals! Then he is afraid of needles (but has a bunch of big tatoos on his body) Larry David couldn't have written a better comedy!
BTW isn't Nevada is where Sugar Shane Mosley beat the test in his second fight with Dela Hoya, but was later snitched on by Victor Conte for using the clear. I'm just saying!!!!
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 01:00:37 PM
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Lyd:
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Kountedscum is a sidekick of fantasy. Even Blacula blooding-sucking Mayweather don't even like this phony.
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 02:45:30 PM
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Lyd:
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@william, Mayweather was a 106 pounds at 16 years old. Manny Pacquiao was a 106 pounds at 16 years old. Your point is moot. They are both now in their 30s and are both fighting at 147. Why Manny cannot grow into a welterweight and Mayweather can?
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 05:01:37 PM
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kountedout@willyam:
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very good points! they dont wanna hear the truth bc that means there hero and the guy they worship is a complete cheater. hahaha dont worry about that guy lyd...thats this rhyming wannabe guy who acts like he is in the know but he dont have a clue. he is a big racist that most of his friends here get on his bandwagon
Thursday Dec 24, 2009 08:02:32 PM
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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