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Sunday Dec 6, 2009

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Paul Williams Sneaks Past Underrated (No More) Sergio Martinez

By George Kimball


ATLANTIC CITY --- Chalk up another one for The Punisher.

Pierre (The Punisher) Benoist, that is.

Saturday night's fight was less than three minutes old when Paul Williams discovered that 12 rounds with Sergio Martinez was not going to be the walk in the park many had expected, but someone forgot to pass the information along to Benoist. Operating on what must presumably have been advance intelligence, the ringside judge returned a 119-110 scorecard that not only misrepresented what had taken place before his eyes, but was at significant variance with both of his colleagues.  

For the record, Williams captured a majority decision over Martinez in an intriguing and at times spectacular fight at Boardwalk Hall to extend his professional record to 37-1, but for most of the evening he did not much at all look like a candidate for anybody's pound-for-pound list, with the possible exception of Pierre Benoist's.  

Only in the opening minute did things look as if they were going to go according to plan: Wielding his right-handed jab like a rapier, Williams drove Martinez into a neutral corner, and then dropped him with a left -- although replays would later suggest that the knockdown punch actually caught Martinez high on the scapula, and hence could conceivably not have been a knockdown at all.

Whether it was or it wasn't, Martinez at the very least evened the ledger when, just before the bell ended the first, he floored Williams with a hard right hook. This essentially set the tone for the balance of the evening: Williams was more mobile, more active, and landed marginally more punches. (299-254, according to CompuBox.)  

Martinez, on the other hand, landed by far the harder punches, many of them delivered in the form of that same right hook with which he tormented Williams all night long. If Williams had a small edge in volume, Martinez had a big one in accuracy, connecting at a 43% rate to Williams 28%.

"He is supposed to be the most feared man in boxing?" shrugged "Marvavilla" after the fight. "I did not fear him at all."

That is almost certainly true. Suffice it to say that no one, including Carlos Quintana, the one guy who beat him, has ever treated Williams this way -- with what, on this night, anyway, bordered on disdain.

Martinez (44-2-2), had stepped into the breach six weeks earlier after Kelly Pavlik had pulled out of what had originally been intended as a middleweight title defense. The 34 year-old Argentine, who has lived in Spain for the last seven years, even offered to bring a title of his own, but Williams, who had been training for a 160-pound bout, wasn't interested.

(Martinez had won the WBC's interim 154-pound title by beating Alex Bunema last year, and then retained it in February after battling to a draw with Kermit Cintron. His championship was subsequently promoted to the full monty when Vernon Forrest was unable to meet his obligation to consolidate the WBC versions.)  

A son of the south who has done most of his fighting on the Left Coast, Williams (38-1) had burst into the national consciousness two years ago when he defeated Antonio Margarito to win the WBO welterweight title. In his first defense he suffered a shock loss to Quintana, but redeemed it in a rematch by scoring a first-round knockout.

Williams' strategy, he would say later, was "to keep making him fight and making him feel uncomfortable," though it was unclear that he truly succeeded in either. Although Martinez did appear weary before the fight was one-third over, he battled on throughout the evening.  

"I know he's a good boxer, but I was never hurt," insisted Martinez. The Argentine's right cheekbone was slightly discolored for much of the night, but Williams incurred even more damage. A cut had sprouted above his left eye even before a clash of heads late in the third opened another. (Williams was taken to a local hospital to have the cuts attended to, and skipped the post-fight press conference.)

The appreciative crowd loudly applauded both fighters at the bout's conclusion. Things didn't get ugly until they announced the scores.

For the record, The Sweet Science-GK had Williams in front 115-113, the same total as judge Lynn Carter. It was a close fight, and we'd have  had absolutely no problem with the same score in the other direction. Benoist's version, on the other hand, was so preposterous that he had to make a quick exit from the ring and take refuge behind the commission table -- whether from the fans or from Martinez' promoter Lou DiBella remains unlearned.

"I thought my guy won by a point or two, and I could have lived with a close decision," said DiBella, "But when I heard that 119-110 score I wanted to hit the effing guy."

Put it this way: The third judge, Julie Lederman, who had it even at 114-114, came a lot closer to being on the money than did Benoist. On the other hand, his card was so laughable that he could in the end serve DiBella's purpose as this fight's Gale Van Hoy, should  it be determined that it was rotten enough to warrant a rematch.

Martinez, in any case, said he'd welcome one.

"A rematch?" said Williams before leaving for the emergency room. "Hey, if HBO wants it, I'm all in."

The paying customers and the HBO audience got an unanticipated bonus from a co-feature that turned into a Pier Six brawl. It was hard to escape the feeling that Cristobal Arreola may have been in a few of these before, and while In the end it was a gritty Brian Minto who went out on his shield, it was not without dishing out all his more accomplished street-fighting adversary could handle over the first three rounds.

Spotting Arreola 45 pounds, an undaunted Minto was a gutsy aggressor through those early rounds, even though his his discolored left cheek had swollen to the size and approximate hue of a large eggplant. Minto was pressed forward, winging combinations, body shots, and right-hand leads that kept Arreola ducking, but there was the overwhelming sense that danger was never far away, as Arreola's lethally-aimed counter shots repeatedly whistled past his head.

It was the fourth round before Arreola finally connected, and when he did it was with a big right hand that dropped the former Slippery Rock linebacker in his tracks.  (Asked if he'd ever been hurt, Arreola replied in the affirmative: "Yeah," he said, "I hurt my hand on Minto's head.")

Although clearly hurt, Minto got up, seemingly more determined than ever, and in the exchange that followed Arreola was cut across the bridge of his nose. Alas for Minto, this occurred at roughly the time his hematoma burst. Although he appeared to wing Arreola with an overhand right thrown almost blindly Arreola stepped inside, set him up with a left, and then landed a crunching right that sent Minto down again. Although he was able to arise, Eddie Cotton waved it off at 2:40 of the round.

CompuBox stats revealed that Arreola had not only outjabbed Minto 98-63 but had landed a whopping 34 of 46 power shots in the less than three minutes the fourth round lasted.

"It was a great fight, and my hat's off to Minto," said Arreola, who improved to 28-1 with the win. (Perhaps as significantly, the aggregate record of his last dozen opponents, has been 291-42-9.) Having dominated -- eventually -- a tough and rugged opponent in his first trip back since being stopped by Vitali Klitschko, Arreola seemed philosophical about that loss.

"I lost to Klitschko, but I showed I'm still a legitimate contender," said Arreola. "Besides, who's better than Vitali?"

The 34 year-old Minto's record dropped to 34-3 with the loss, but he left Boardwalk Hall buoyed by a legion of new fans.

Former welterweight champion Carlos Quintana, who authored Williams' only professional loss, bounced back from a second-round knockdown to stop the always-game Jesse Feliciano via a third-round TKO.  

"[Feliciano] is a hard puncher, and he caught me a little off balance," Quintana recalled the embarrassing trip to the canvas. Then, less than a minute into the third, a solid left hand from the southpaw Quintana ripped open a gash along Feliciano's right eyelid. Referee Randy Neumann halted action and summoned the ringside physician, Dr. Marc Shaber, who unhesitatingly  recommended that the bout be stopped.  

"It was a deep cut, and about an inch and a half long," explained Shaber.

The ending came at 0:59 of the round. Quintana improved to 27-2 (the losses were to Miguel Cotto and Williams in the rematch), while Feliciano's record dropped to 15-8-3.

In what otherwise hasn't been a great week for guys named Tiger, Washington heavyweight Tony (The Tiger) Thompson followed eight rounds of hibernation by stirring just enough to stop Chazz Witherspoon at 2:13 of the ninth in their scheduled 10-rounder.

Thompson, TKO'd by Wladimir Klitschko in a Hamburg title fight last year, was the larger and stronger of the two, but seemed unable to put together two sustained minutes, much less two rounds. He and Witherspoon had battled on essentially even terms through the penultimate round, when Thompson rocked the erstwhile Mensa Mauler with a right hook followed by a straight left that knocked him sideways. Benji Esteves, ruling that only the ropes had kept Witherspoon up, administered a count before turning Thompson loose again, but when four punches in succession brought no response, the referee quickly moved to rescue Witherspoon.

Thompson is 33-2 after his latest win, while Witherspoon, whose only previous blemish had been a DQ at the hands of Arreola, dropped to 26-2.

Jorge Diaz, the unbeaten New Brunswick (NJ) featherweight handled by longtime Arturo Gatti manager Pat Lynch, went to 11-0 with a first-round knockout of Puerto Rican Luis Paneto (5-7-2).  Paneto went down from a short right to the chin and took Eddie Cotton's count in a neutral corner, stumbling to his feet just a millisecond (Oh, darn!) too late.  

The opening act of the six-bout card saw Jeremiah Wiggins (7-0-1) of Newport News, Va. score a unanimous decision over Manuel Guzman  (6-9-2) of Lancaster, Pa.  There were no official knockdowns, though Guzman caught a breather from Esteves when he spit out his mouthpiece in the final round. Frank Cappuccino had Wiggins by a shutout 60-54, while Debra Barnes had it 59-55 and Hal Bennett 58-56.
*  **   *
AT BOARDWALK HALL
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J.
December 5, 2009
MIDDLEWEIGHTS: Paul Williams, 157, Augusta, Ga. dec. Sergio Gabriel Martinez, 159, Buenos Aires, Argentina (12)  

HEAVYWEIGHTS: Cristobal Arreola, 263, Riverside, Calif. TKO'd  Brian Minto, 218, Butler, Penn. (4)
Tony Thompson, 250, Washington, D.C  TKO'd Chazz Witherspoon, 234, Paulsboro, N.J. (9) 

JUNIIOR MIDDLEWEIGHTS: Carlos Quintana, 153 1/2, Moca, Puerto Rico  TKO'd Jesse Feliciano, 152 1/2, Las Vegas, Nev. (3)
Jeremiah Wiggins, 151 1/2, Newport News, Va. dec. Manuel Guzman, 150, Lancaster, Pa.
FEATHERWEIGHTS:  Jorge Diaz, 123 1/2, New Brunswick, NJ KO'd Luis Angel Paneto, 121 1/2, Caguas, Puerto Rico (1)

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Radam G - so very humble - Jay-Z has made 40, what a Parteeee:  Toothpick Long Tall Paul is terrible. This dude is going to be kayoed by any big gun that he steps up to. The Ghost Pavlik would have spooked that bum in a marshmellow and burned him up. Holla!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 01:31:03 AM
swift:  Really? Maybe the ghost will have the balls to step into the ring now. Oh, I forgot he has to fight the bum of the week in two weeks...
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 02:05:36 AM
Isaiah:  Calling either Williams or Martinez a bum is like saying Floyd Maywether Jr. doesn't like money. The guy Pavlik is fighting next is a bum. The chances this Pavlik opponent would have to beat Paul Williams? Well... Let's just say, how about I mark a needle with invisible ink, throw it into a barn full of needles and give you one minute to find that specific needle. You'd still have better odds of finding that needle then for that "Contender" guy to beat Williams, Martinez or Pavlik. Bums they are not, well, Pavlik is like a Super Bum. No one can beat him except an elite...
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 03:07:31 AM
Misterlee:  Hey yoda! A bum pavlik is not, tho a B fighter he is. Fear leads to anger,anger leads hate, hate leads to staph infection. Holler!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 03:39:45 AM
brownsugar:  I said Martinez was huge challenge for Paul... my son was rooting forMartinez because he knew how slick and resilient he was,.. and I spent most of the night groaning and moaning,.. at Paul getting hit flush with clean hard shots all night,.. I give Paul and Areola credit for showing the hearts of a warrior,..for being tough,. and never giving in to the pain,.. but both guy won on the strength of their physicallity alone...Paul won Barely on guts and determination ,.. these guys are elite toughmen,.. in the mold of Gatti,..but not elite boxers...both Paul and Areola need to enroll in a boxing school to get a GED in the Sweet Science... without a diploma,.. both men are in for a long hard road in the pro ranks... Martinez was as slick and resourceful as i thought he'd be...if Paul hadn't spent the last 4 months hardening himself for Pavlik,.. he would have never have survived,..I applaud both Cris and Paul for giving 110% of themselves,.. and sacrificing so much for the fans enjoyment... but unless they both develop some skills on a higher level.. I see nothing ahead but tragedy,.. I don't think Peters can offer Paul the skills he needs to get a diploma in the sweet science,.. Paul needs to reach out to a professor of the game... I had the fight a draw
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 04:39:49 AM
janson:  Martinez is a beast and while the fight 'was' close, in my opinion he won the fight. He clearly landed the more damaging punches and was never hurt at all by Williams. As always, Williams threw more punches but so what...they weren't landing. Martinez won this fight but the one score card clearly indicates that the "powers that be" were NOT going to let Martinez win. I give Williams credit for holding up in a very tough fight but ask yourself this question. Now that the fight is over, if you could have been Williams or Martinez in that ring, who would you choose? Exactly, Martinez because he fought the better, more strategic fight and while he was never really hurt, he put a beating on Williams. We ALL saw that other than the one judge?? Willliams is no longer the most "feared" fighter. He's still good and still worthy of his boxing efforts but no longer the most feared. That would have to go to Martinez. It also makes this writer appreciate Kermit Cintron a bit more. This guy has only lost to Margarito (The Cheater) and of course had the controversial draw to Martinez who we all now know is a beast. I've thought that Cintron was a most underrated fighter for years. This fight should show everyone that he's just as good as anyone. He was caught by one straight left of Martinez that very well could have ended the fight but other than that, fought a most competitive fight with Martinez. Ok, enough for now. In my opinion, that one judge (119-110) should never be given another fight again just like Margarito should never be paid to fight again. They are both CHEATERS who should be removed from the sport for good! Props to both Martinez and Williams for giving us a great fight but special props to Martinez. He WON the fight!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 07:30:33 AM
Fe'Roz @ Brownsugar:  My sentiments exactly. The man is a fighter through and through. Peterson loves i fighter but sometimes you can be too close and too much in love to be objective. Paul needs distance and some counsel. Up until now, he hs had to tke hard higher caliber fights because hi choices are few. He needs a matchmaker that understands how to let him grow an progress and a coach that can make him take a step back and teach him the nuances of sweet science. He is great raw talent with a desire and will to in. He has so many natural assets. They need to be refined soon while he can still learn. He seem to be a great kid ready to do what he is told. So someone needs to tell him. And teach him. Otherwise he risks maintaining bad habits and simply trying to power/will his way to victory. He is young ...and time is on his side. But time is fleeting so his time is very soon. If not now.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 09:11:08 AM
DaveB:  While I wouldn't call LTP a bum I do understand what Radam is talking about now. I've never seen Williams get hit so much. I've got to give him credit because he stays in your face all night. Now against a good puncher that could spell disaster for him. Martinez is a very good fighter and that can't be denied. Williams gives up his height by bending at the waist and leaning in. He leaves himself open on the inside with his hands down and Martinez was able to tee off on him all night. That fight opened up my eyes to a lot.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 10:10:35 AM
mabii:  I think the jurys out on long tall Paul. Great fighter with a great chin but no sense of distance like Hearns had (I wish Hearns had this Kids chin though!) He just has not leant how to step back and measure his opponent. He also could improve on his hand speed and sometimes fights small - notice when he jabs he bends low. Hearns and lewis jabbed tall firing from thier shoulders and stepped in to the jab. That said, he has great stamina though he seemed to tire towards the end of the fight. Martinez is a heck of a fighter though. Where has he been? I think Emmanuel Steward should get together with Paul Willliams. He (Steward) has the best training style for tall long armed fighters. He would turn Williams into a real power punching machine at middleweight. Also Williams needs to stick with one weight - I dont care what anyone says, going up and down in weight is quite different from steadily going up like Manny Paquio.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 10:23:20 AM
SALT lover:  I agree 100% with mabii. Paul Williams is a one hell of a good fighter, and bound to become great. But yeah, I agree with mabii, Williams just doesn't know how to measure, and keep his distance. He just charges in, when he has great reach advantage, and instead that gives his opponents chance to counter him. In this fight, Williams took a lot of unneccessary punishment, and no disrespect to Sergio Martinez, who's another damn good fighter, but William's could've been more careful, and more intelligent when he attacked. He just charged in as if he was the one with the reach disadvantage. But this fight was very good for boxing: it opened doors for him for many fights, now that other fighters will rely on Martinez's performance to convince themselves they can beat him, Sergio Martinez made a name for himself, and it was a great fight overall. The only bad thing about this whole fight is the outrageous 119-110. Unless, the judge's number 9 was written backwards so it would make 116-110, which would've made more sense. Anyways, Paul 'The Punisher' Williams won the fight, and still is ready to make great things in boxing. Go Williams!!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 11:13:19 AM
the Roast:  Good comments Regs. We have to give credit to Sergio Martinez here. When was the last time we saw a fighter fight so effectively with his hands down at his waist? Prime Roy Jones? Naseem Hamed? I kept thinking the hands down thing was gonna cost him but Paul was unable to take advantage. Martinez fought a great fight. He showed great hand and foot speed, great stamina, and tough beard. Great fight.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 11:32:43 AM
alex:  the most feared man in boxing????? lol got hit and cut and barely survive i had it 115-113 for martinez..... p-williams so overrated. feared ??????????? lol lol lol lol
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 11:38:15 AM
Anonymous user:  Paul "The Punisher" Williams is a BUM, BUM, BUM, BUM! I know a bum when I see one. It is not the bottom word for professional pugilism. That would be a stiff or a tomato can, even a grave dweller. This hypersensitivity of certain readers is their problem. Maybe TSS fightwriters can educate them about boxing talk. Ain't given up my slanguage of the game for the naive and know nothing. It is obvious that some people haven't ever been around the game. Joe Louis's "Bum of the Month Club" was against very good fighter, not stiffs, tomato cans and grave dwellers. A bum is a term of affection for an A-minus to B-minus pugilist. TSS (tomato can) readers who tries to control this Universe and the flow of other readers' scribble or script should chillout. To each his own. Why is the tolerant? If you have a problem or a lack of knowledge of boxing and boxing terms, past the posts of that reader that you have a problem with. I don't read what agitators and tomato-can readers write anymore. i go right pass them. I was set off by very-skilled Reader-spitter DaveB that one of my pop-belly stalkers is regressing to mendacious meddling up in my grill. Money May is an ATG who is going to get knocked out by AGOAT LHGOAT and also an ATG on March 13, 2010, or whenever and if the rumble takes place. It's Lefty Time, It's Asian Time! It's PacMan Time! It's TIme to Holla! Holla!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 11:40:00 AM
DaveB:  Nope Salt that card was tallied correctly. The only round that judge gave to Martinez was the second round, with the first one being even, the rest went to Williams. There is one in every crowd. I'll never forget Frank's article about that one bad scorecard. He hit the nail right on the head.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 11:46:21 AM
SALT lover@DaveB:  I hear you, man. I'm really happy, and somehwat relieved, thtat Williams got the W. It's just that it was such a competitive fight, that is an extremely rare result. There was one round, that DEFINITELY Martinez won, no matter how strict you were gonna be against him, and it wasn't the second round. But anyways, Williams got the W.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 12:17:41 PM
SALT lover@DaveB:  that Williams got the W
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 12:18:11 PM
brownsugar@Fe'Roz:  yep,..couldn't agree more,.. Pauls handlers need to slow their roll and give their guy an opportunity to grow one step at a time instead of taking on all comers,.. they really don't want to keep pressuring for a match with Hopkins or any of the super middle weights either(could anybody imagine Paul against Bute?),.. as good as Martinez is,... the other jr middle champ Dzinziruk(another avoided fighter) is the most technically savvy fighter I've ever scene in recent years,.. he's more of a pure boxer than Martinez,.. and even though he lacks any "Flair" whatsoever,... Dzinziruk is easily as complete a boxer/counterpuncher as ANYBODY in the business (Floyd included),.. although he gets much less recognition or fanfare from the press,.. Paul should bide his time rather than seeking a title fight with Martinez or Dzinziruk untill he's completed his boxing 101 classes..... Martinez is now a "Made Man",.. if he continues to be successful... a rematch with Paul,... after both men have built up their names a bit more,...would be huge,.. a unification bout with Martinez and Dzinziruk would be for boxing purist,..and I'll bet money that Pavlik don't won't none of Martinez,.. although I think he'll get emboldened by what he saw last night (and start talking about what he would have done to LTP),.. Look for Pavlik to start crowing loudly from the top of the barnyard(chickencoop) for a fight with Paul after he get though his confidence builder with Espinoza.. But last night,... A Star was Born,..and his name is Martinez...
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 12:22:31 PM
bill major:  martinez got jobbed bad. judges are the bain of boxing terrible ! the size of williams, the pop in his punches etc and martinez out foxed him in everyway and hurt him bad a few times and then these no nothing armchair pieces of crap that ive had to suffer thru for all these years give those scores ? WTF i hate em. williams has the cajones of king kong and a heart as big but he lost that fight he was suppose to walk thru. they should have give sergio martinez his moment ,he earned it.paul williams will be back. great fight.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 01:45:42 PM
Radam G = humble and honest - no reason not 2 be:  Wow! That "Anonymous User" between reader Alex and DaveB is ME, the one and only Radam G. I was flying from San Jose to San Diego and just forgot to put my name and email. To all the haters, fakers and faders, Ain't no punk or schmuck. If it is mine, I'll claim and laugh at the heat from the creeps. Holla!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 03:49:10 PM
AFN:  114-114 draw. Let's do it again. if you didn't enjoy that you are sadly lost. no bums there. EL TOONOY
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 04:13:25 PM
Isaiah:  Wow, really? I mean Paul Williams is still one of the best in the world in my opinion. He struggled big time with a real good fighter so he must be a bum right? That kind of "LOGIC" just doesn't make any sense. So, by the same logic, since Mayweather had close fights with Jose Luis Castillo and Oscar De La Hoya, he's a bum, right? Can't have it both ways brother. Oh well, still wish you good. Hope you wake up against that kind of thinking and try to keep the subject on boxing if you respond to this message Radam G. If you don't, it doesn't matter to me either way.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 04:19:03 PM
Isaiah:  POUND FOR POUND UPDATE!!! DUE TO RECENT EVENTS, SERGIO MARTINEZ HAS REPLACED FLOYD MAYWEATHER AT THE #10 SPOT ON MY LIST!!! MAYBE FLOYD SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!!! HA!!!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 04:22:05 PM
the Roast:  Come on Radam, Williams a bum? Thats a little harsh, dont ya think? He has some fine tuning to do and I agree with B-Sug and Fe'Roz that he may need to upgrade his trainer but LTP is far from a bum. He simply took on a good fighter and had a tough fight. I admire him for getting in there with Martinez on short notice. I did see a two bums fighting on the undercard. One was your boy Chris. He showed up fat and fought sloppy with that no-hoper Minto. He was even fatter than last fight. Chris will never be champion.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 04:23:43 PM
Isaiah@theRoast:  Wasn't Chris Arreola like 264 pounds for that fight? He has potential, but if he never shows any discipline, he'll always be a nobody. It's one of the main reasons Vitali fighting smart was able to make him look ridiculous. It's pathetic. I can't respect someone who won't respect themselves. This indirectly dissrespects the fans to. I've had enough of this bum in the making Chris.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 04:35:53 PM
DaveB:  I'm reposting Frank Lotierzo's piece on That One Crazy Scorecard. Everytime there is a judge like this it makes me look back to that article........ Over the past decade we've seen scorecards handed in by boxing judges where two of them reflected what transpired during the fight, along with the one that makes you scratch your head and think to yourself what was he/she watching. It's so common today that you can just about predict it, and it doesn't matter where the fight takes place or if it's a high profile PPV bout or one between two main event fighters on ESPN2. The bottom line is don't go crazy over it as long as the right fighter, in this case Chambers, wins. Accept the fact that it's going to continue to happen because it's best for business. With the thought being the career of the losing fighter remains intact and makes him easier to promote. WithDimitrenko losing by a majority decision instead of the unanimous decision it should've been, the card handed in by Thomas will be mentioned with the idea behind it being to plant the thought that maybe he didn't lose and is almost as marketable as an undefeated fighter. Therefore it can be suggested that at least in the ring there's a case for him still being unbeaten, which will help sell and promote his next fight. This scenario, as put forth here in ahypothetical, doesn't begin or end with Alexander Dimitrenko nor is it exclusive to bouts held in Germany. By the time Dimitrenko fights again it shouldn't come as a shock if something will have been released to the press on the order of 'he had an elevated temperature' or something happened behind the scenes that diverted him and hindered his performance the night he fought Eddie Chambers. And even at that one judge wasn't convinced that he lost. A recent example of this was the De LaHoya-Mayweather bout back in 2007. Mayweather clearly won the fight, but the split decision verdict made it easier to sell Oscar's next big fight versus Manny Pacquiao. The "crazy judge's card" handed in by some judges is just part and parcel of how business is done in professional boxing. So you can frequently expect one of the three judges to submit a card out of line with what transpired in the ring. There is a strong possibility not that he doesn't know what he's watching or doing, a cynic/realist would say, more the case of him knowing exactly what he's doing and wanting to continue to get future work. There exists the chance that Thomas had a really off night of course, but watch in the future for that "crazy card," and think about what I laid out for you.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 05:54:13 PM
the Roast:  @Isaiah, I think you're right. 263 or 264. Chris was 12 lbs heavier than the Klit fight. HBO does that piece before the fight about his dedication and what he learned from the loss and then he comes in 12 lbs heavier. Not good.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 08:26:28 PM
Radam G @ the Roast:  I will explain it to you like this Chicagan, who's been hanging out and road with me since the PacMan-Cotto scrap, said to. Dude is from Chicago, and is an ex-world champ named Lee Roy Murphy. And he is somewhat of a Paul Williams's fan. In his words: "Tell Roast cats that boxers always call each other bums, as just bullsh*tting. It's like blacks always calling each other (the N word) and white always calling each other (the P word, T-trash word and white T word)." Bum -- the way that I used it -- is just a throw-away word of endearment or affection for the same type of persons. No harm or pun intended. FOR THE RECORD: It also has a classification in the hurt bitnezz by the boxing community. And here it goes:ELITE (fully competed) = gradeless [straight-up creme de la creme]; EXCELLENT = an A-plus pugilist; GOOD = an A pugilist; OKAY or BUM = an A-minus to B-minus pugilist; DECENT, SOFT or MARSHMALLOW = C-plus to D pugilist; TOMATO CAN or ON-A-BREATHING-MACHINE = D-minus to F; GRAVE OCCUPANT or STIFF = should not even be in the ring or allowed to fight. Okay, Roast, I hope that this give you some insight. Just hang out with some boxers know da game and been in it fo' evr, and you will see them calling each other "bum" and "kid" and "punchy" -- and there is no pun intended. And if you are the type of boxer who is away getting cut and swolleni up like LTP, you will be called bumpy and toilet-paper skin. Holla!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 08:59:19 PM
Radam G @ the Roast one mo' 'gain:  Of course, Cris is a bum! All those heavyweights are bums, nowadays. Chaz Witherspoon was pathetic. And just as LTP became champ, Cris "The Nightmare" Arreola -- you can call him BFC -- will find his way to winning a title belt. It is too many so-call legit boxing organizations around nowadays for BFC not to get one. I remember when I won my alphabet belt(s), nobody counted them at that time. And the joke tramps -- I mean champs -- may as well have been in the witness protection program. You oughta read up on who destroyed -- or at least cleaned up -- Don King, Muhammad Abdullah Murad Muhammad the IBF, WBF and assisted with bringing the WBC to act like it has some sense. Holla!
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 09:17:07 PM
the Roast:  @ Radam, Lee Roy Murphy!! One of Chicago's finest world champions. I saw him KO Alonzo Ratliff back in the late 80's. I think it was the late 80's anyway. I was there with Mary Jane and my memory is a little hazy. Good times. Anyway thanks for the explination on the boxer on boxer jargon. I should have known you would not diss LTP like that. About BFC, maybe he can pick up a belt after the brothers K walk away. I'm not counting on it. Give best wishes to Lee Roy for me. He was one hell of a puncher back in the day.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 10:12:30 PM
brownsugar:  speaking of Chris Areola,... it was disappointing to hear that his weight was a full 12 pounds above what he weighed in his last fight,.. after seeing Chris's woeful lamentations after his loss to Vitali,.. and his solemn declorations that he would obtain redemption by rededicating himself to a disciplined lifestyle and consistant training habits,... I have come to the realization that I have to accept Chris the way he is,.. a tough SOB,.. but limited by his own internal flaws as an athlete... it's hard to lose weight and keep it down on a consistant basis for anybody,.. unless there is a strong inward motivation to do so... and apparently Chris doesn't have it,.. probably never will... so I'm just going to enjoy him for being the one and a half dimentional banger that he is... a true crowd pleaser,.. he'll no doubt get a piece of the title again,.. but I doubt he could rule the division...I wouldn't have problem with his weight,.. if it just stayed in one place... against Vitali when Chris would attempt to use a little lateral movement,.. his body would go one way,.. while the flab would go in several different directions like Jello,.. these multiple centers of gyrating gravities severely hampered Chris's movement againt the K brother... anyway,.. I give him credit for his heart and warrior mentality at least...
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 10:21:56 PM
Real Talk:  I agree with the first post. I think Paul lost that fight. I caught it from the 3 rd up. Ya Boy
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 10:30:12 PM
Isaiah:  If somebody called me white trash or a p///y, they'd be looking for a beatdown. Where I'm from, we don't take that kind of dissrespect. Carry yourself like a man, work hard and treat others how you would want to be treated. Leave the fighting in the ring. Chris is a bum and no not everyone is. The Klitschko brothers would not be bums in any era. Vitali especially, is a talent that should be appreciated.
Sunday Dec 6, 2009 11:41:59 PM
@ Isaiah:  P4p nobody cares what you say Isaiah manny is a bum and so is P will your boy..hey Isaiah white trash watcha gonna do
Monday Dec 7, 2009 12:47:22 AM
Mullen:  Pual, was one of my favorite fighters today. Plain and simple Tall Paul, received a Mini-Beat-down from sergio. Both got dropped, Paul got dropped hard! For every punch paul landed, sergio came back with a much harder blow...Hail Martinez dude should be unbeating srraight up, loss two margs don't count and he beat Tall Paul. Dude has 2 losses?? Wow! Oh that draw to cintron what a joke!
Monday Dec 7, 2009 02:58:15 AM
mullen:  Paul I meant.
Monday Dec 7, 2009 02:59:48 AM
Isaiah@theRealTSSAlumni:  Hey you all! Look at the little boy trying to act like he's bad. He don't even have a name. All he can do is put @ and somebody else's name after it. HA! Real easy to be a gangster and insult me on a keyboard when I'm not there in person. I think Paul Williams is way better then a bum by any measure, but ESPECIALLY Manny Pacquiao! Calling a future first ballot hall of famer, humble man of steel, all time great in the making a bum is almost blasphemious! HEY EDITOR MIKE! I've been good. Can you go ahead and weed this child on out of here. I mean, that was clearly a racial slur! You know what fella, if you're so bad, why don't you go ahead and type up your full address RIGHT HERE in case the Editor ignores me. Let's see you back up what you say. Let me show you what this "WHITE TRASH" can do.
Monday Dec 7, 2009 04:46:42 AM
J Smutts:  I was there at this fight and Paul is Huge in real life! His back was as wide as Winky Wrights and it looks like his back can almost wrap him in a defensive cloak if he ever learned to block! He could not get away from Martinez's right hand and I could not for the life of me figure out why he kept moving right into it. Martinez threw strictly right hooks for about 4 rounds straight. There was almost a riot when they read the 119-110 score card in Boardwallk Hall. Kelly Pavlik signs on to fight someone 2 weeks after this fight has taken place raises a huge flag to me about Pavlik too!
Monday Dec 7, 2009 08:52:51 AM
MisterLee @ The Roast:  Haha! Wow, you had a ellicit relationship with Mary Jane also? Lemme check the text messages on your phone fo' sure!
Monday Dec 7, 2009 12:48:56 PM
Real Talk Of NY:  Why is it when a puerto rican fighter loses, he's automaticlly a washed up bum that should retire? & when other fighters like Clottey & Martinez lose, evey1 gives them props. Quintana beat Williams, lost the rematch & now he can't even get his fight shown on the hbo undercard. Arreola lost & he's right back on hbo. Angullo loses 2 Cintron, Angullo is right back on hbo. Victor Ortiz quits in a fight, he's right back on hbo. Juan Diaz got his butt whooped by Cambell, ko'd by Marquez & outboxed by Paulie & he's right back on hbo. He won the last fight so that's some what understandable. Mean while Cotto gets beat up by Pacquiao & people demand that he retires, old guys like Roy Jones getting ko'd in the 1st round need 2 retire, not a warrior like Cotto, who has fought the best don't fighters. If Juanma loses anytime soon, I fear the amount of bashers he's gonna have on his back. Smh. What did we ever do 2 deserve this?
Thursday Dec 10, 2009 12:53:07 AM

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