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Monday Nov 30, 2009

One figures the rematch, 17 years later with both in the late stages of their career, figures to be more fan-friendly than the first static clash.

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What A Difference 17 Years Makes

By Bernard Fernandez


      For the purposes of establishing a historical perspective, let us take a journey back in time to 1993.

      Federal agents besieged the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, initiating a bloody, fiery confrontation that left six G-men and 72 cultists dead … South Africa adopted majority rule, effectively ending apartheid … The median U.S. household income was $31,241, and unemployment was at 6.9 percent … An Israeli-Palestinian accord was reached (but, alas, not for long) … The Best-Picture Oscar went to Clint Eastwood’s Unforgiven, the Best-Song Grammy to Eric Clapton’s Tears in Heaven … A 13-year-old boy accused Michael Jackson of fondling him, with an out-of-court settlement reached … The Cowboys trounced the Bills in Super Bowl XXVII, the Blue Jays beat the Phillies, four games to two, in the World Series … Actress Audrey Hepburn, jazz legend Dizzy Gillespie, Italian director Federico Fellini and iconoclastic rocker Frank Zappa bade farewell to this mortal coil.

      In boxing, the big news that year was Evander Holyfield regaining the unified heavyweight championship by outpointing Riddick Bowe in the second of their three classic matchups, the “Fan Man” bout at Caesars Palace. And for fight fans who believe that good things really do come in small packages, there was Michael Carbajal twice coming off the floor to knock out Humberto Gonzalez in seven rounds to unify the junior flyweight title.

      Look around at what’s happening today and one might conclude that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Evander Holyfield slogs on at 47 and is prepping for a January showdown with 41-year-old Francois Botha for a meaningless trinket, Botha’s WBF heavyweight belt, in Kampala, Uganda. Clint Eastwood continues to make good movies, Eric Clapton to strum that ax as few ever have, and we’re still talking about the national unemployment average and the late Michael Jackson. The Phillies were in the World Series again this year and South Africa is going to host soccer’s World Cup.

      And, in advance of one of the longest-delayed rematches boxing fans have ever waited upon, Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard “The Executioner” Hopkins participate in separate, Versus-televised bouts Wednesday at different sites around the globe. Should Jones (54-5, 40 KOs) snare the IBO International cruiserweight title held by Danny Green (27-3, 24 KOs) – that fight actually takes place in Sydney, Australia, on Thursday afternoon, allowing for the crossing of the International Date Line – and Hopkins (49-5-1, 32 KOs) gets past Mexico’s Enrique Ornelas (29-5, 19 KOs) at the Liacouras Center in Philadelphia, the two aging legends would vie for profit and legacy on March 13, 2010, at the MGM Grand.

      Jones and Hopkins are sure-fire first-ballot inductees into the International Boxing Hall of Fame whenever they become retired long enough to qualify to induction, which could be some time down the road given each man’s disinclination to acknowledge the date on his birth certificate or to surrender the spotlight. The hype machine already is turned on high for Jones-Hopkins II, with representatives of both fighters breathlessly extolling the fighters’ age-defying skills and fact that they’ve been posturing at one another since the second year of the Clinton administration. The Israelis and Palestinians might have made peace for a little while, but RJ and B-Hop never really did.

      “I think it’s a big fight, a super fight,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, which handles Hopkins. “I believe it is a fight the American public will embrace. Both of these guys are superstars. They’re ring royalty.

      “At this point both Bernard and Roy realize this is the fight people want to see. They don’t want to see Bernard Hopkins fight anybody else, and they don’t want to see Roy Jones fight anybody else.”

      There is, of course, a chance that neither man will do what’s necessary to keep the appointed date. Jones is fighting out of the United States for the first time since he got jobbed out of the gold medal at the 1988 Seoul Olympics, so you have to wonder if the scoring Down Under, if the outcome goes to a decision, could possibly be as scandalous as the home-nation nod that went to the South Korean, Park Si-Hun,  Jones punched lopsided in the Olympic final. Hopkins isn’t as likely to be victimized by pencil, but Ornelas has a hard enough punch that the possibility of his landing a wild shot can’t be dismissed.

      So what happens if Jones and Hopkins win as expected? Can their rematch be as big or bigger than their initial confrontation, which took place on May 25, 1993, at Washington’s RFK Stadium?

      Quite frankly, the fight and the buildup should be greater than the original which, lest anyone forget, was an undercard bout in support of WBA/IBF heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe’s defense against lottery winner Jesse Ferguson. Jones, marked for greatness since his star turn at the Olympics, had not yet achieved superstardom while Hopkins, not far removed from his hardscrabble Blue Horizon days, was an up-and-comer who had yet to firmly establish his ring identity. Few could have anticipated that he would blossom into the immortal he became.

      Yet fighters who have not entered their prime can engage in a highly entertaining scrap. Both Jones and Hopkins had demonstrated enough talent that there were those – myself included – who were certain they’d produce more back-and-forth fireworks than could be expected in the main event, in which Bowe was a 21-1 favorite to blow through Ferguson, whose bid for the title was solely the result of his upset of an out-of-shape Ray Mercer a few months earlier. The controversy attendant to Ferguson’s victory – audio of the HBO-televised fight raised questions as to whether a desperate Mercer, during clinches, attempted to bribe Ferguson to tank – gave the pairing a sort of man-bites-dog quality.

      Ferguson, a sparring partner to the stars who on his own merits barely qualified as a fringe contender, made the most of his proverbial 15 minutes of fame. When Ferguson weighed in at a taut 224 pounds, 12 fewer than for Mercer, and Bowe came in at 244, the second-heaviest poundage of his career, Ferguson’s co-manager, Seth Braunstein, saw it as proof that his guy was ready to spring another upset.

      “This is exactly where we want Riddick Bowe,” Braunstein chortled. “Less-than-perfect condition. Heaviest of his career (well, almost), soft like butter.”

      Unfortunately for Ferguson, the buttery-soft Bowe packed fists of iron. He floored Ferguson with a left hook to the jaw late in the opening round. Ferguson arose at the count of nine – or maybe 11, since the official timer seemed a bit slow on the trigger – just in time to be saved by the bell.

      It was but a momentary respite. Bowe rushed out to begin the second round, connected with an overhand right and Ferguson was back on the canvas. Referee Larry Hazzard counted to four, decided there was no need to go any higher, and waved off the mismatch after an elapsed time of 17 seconds.

      At least Bowe’s victory, as one-sided as it was, featured a couple of knockdowns. Jones and Hopkins, for all their blustery pre-fight talk, each fought so cautiously you’d have thought they were playing chess instead of vying for the vacant IBF middleweight championship.

      Hopkins, a 4-1 underdog despite coming in with a 21-1 record that included 16 victories inside the distance, was not nearly as aggressive as he’d been on his way up the ladder. Maybe that was because Hopkins, the ex-con, still thought of himself as the outsider while Jones was the guy with the big name, Olympic pedigree and HBO contract.

      “I came up from the bottom of the barrel,” Hopkins had said in the days leading up to the Jones fight. “The odds are always against a guy like me. I wouldn’t know what to do if I was the favorite.

      “What’s going to happen when somebody presses Jones? When somebody hurts him? Nobody’s pressed him or hurt him before. I’m going to press him. I’m going to hurt him. I want to see how he reacts.

      “I don’t have a gold medal. I don’t have a silver medal. I’m just an inner-city kid who had to overcome a world of adversity. People said I wouldn’t make it to 21, but I’m still here. I was a neighborhood bully. I’d walk down the street and people would scatter. I was a good guy that went bad. Now I want to be a bad guy that went good.

      “I’m damn lucky. God loves me. But you know what would really make it great? To be able to walk down the street and have people say, `There goes the middleweight champion of the world.’”

      It didn’t happen for Hopkins that night. He lost a lackluster unanimous decision to Jones, who later claimed he was fighting with only one good hand. Whether that was true or not, Jones-Hopkins I was not a time-capsule kind of bout. We remember it not for what it was, but for what it should have been, given the subsequent successes of the combatants.

      Hopkins, of course, got a second shot at the IBF 160-pound crown on Dec. 17, 1994, when he traveled to Ecuador to take on Segundo Mercado, a scrap which ended in a draw. When they fought next, on April 29, 1995, Hopkins whacked out Mercado in seven rounds to begin a title reign that would span 10 years and a division-record 20 defenses.

      The onetime street tough evolved as his status improved, smoothing some of his rougher edges as he transformed himself into a slick-boxing technician whose stoppages were more the result of accumulated damage than of full-frontal assaults. That he has remained near the top of the pound-for-pound ratings as he approaches his 45th birthday (Jan. 15) is a testament to his guile and resiliency.

      But while Hopkins has reinvented himself in some ways, his disdain for Jones has remained constant. Maybe it’s because he blames himself for not going after the preening Pensacola, Fla., native more aggressively, or perhaps it’s because he continues to resent Olympic pretty boys who turn pro with hefty contracts, high visibility and a sense of entitlement.

      The 50-50 split, which increases to 60-40 for the winner should he score a knockout, adds to Hopkins’ incentive to take the kind of risks against Jones that he didn’t in 1993. Besides, B-Hop now knows how Jones reacts when he’s hurt. He saw Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson drill him like Hopkins has hankered to do for these past 17 years. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and this entrée has been kept on ice for what seems like forever.

      Jones also has changed somewhat. In 1993, his bravado was leavened by just a touch of humility, a perceived weakness of character he has long since erased.

      “There are a lot of fighters I’ve tried to pattern myself after, but I admire (Muhammad) Ali the most,” Jones said prior to the Hopkins showdown. “I also like Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Howard Davis Jr., Wilfred Benitez, Marvin Hagler and (the late) Salvador Sanchez. I’ve taken small things from all of them. I don’t try to be exactly like any of them.”

      The Jones of today probably would rather sew his lips together than to suggest he borrowed anything from anybody. He would have fans believe he is a creation entirely of his own making, a paragon of ring virtuosity for others to emulate rather than the other way around.

      No, these are not the same fighters they were in 1993. In some ways, they’re not as good, in some ways better. But if they’re to go out together, at least it is in the marquee attraction and not as a preliminary.

      Let’s hope that Danny Green or Enrique Ornelas doesn’t gum up the works.

      
      
         


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SALT lover:  I don't like B-Hop, but I have to respect him. The man has done great things in boxing, and he's an athlete one can look up to. He mixes up great boxing skills, and ring intelligence, and a specific way of seeing life. Nobody's gonna forget the beatin' he gave Trinidad in a fight where everybody thought he was gonna get walk trough. Though he didn't beat Jones Jr (And still won't, in my opinion), Taylor, nor Calzaghe, still his Hall of Famer mark will....si completed. Roy, still my dawg and I'm rooting for him to repeat the same outboxing performance of 1993. But one that I absolutely know for certain B-Hop's NOT gonna beat is the main man now of the Light Heavyweight Division, Chad Dawson.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 10:14:47 AM
Jason:  The world sure has changed. Can you believe that this fight took place on the Bowe-Ferguson UNDERCARD! HBO surely would have scrapped this fight and put Roy up against a cab driver if they knew then what they know now about these guys. In any event, I have no interest whatsoever in Jones-Hopkins 2. None at all. Sure, in 2001/2002 I would have liked it, but not now. I won't pay for it, that's for sure. In any event, I think Roy will lose to Green and derail this dead-end, farce of a fight. Maybe they should have it at a catchweight just to add to its carnival nature. The judges should be Jo Jo Guerra, Eugenia Williams, and the bearded lady, and the referee should be the lobster boy.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 10:29:21 AM
Dan L:  @Salt: Hop is slick enough to beat Chad. Chad is a nice south-paw, but Hop would dismantle him. Roy has no chance against him either. @Jason: Man let Hop breathe. He wants to avenge his loss to Roy and grab a slice of the HW title from Haye then call it a day... or maybe fight 2 more years. Bernard is in top shape, loving life, involving himself more and more in Philly, and really trying to be the people's champ. He doesn't have to prove himself to anyone anymore. Just being himself.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 10:53:38 AM
Anony:  GREAT ARTICLE... I loved the time capsule and the line "Revenge is a dish best served cold, and this entrée has been kept on ice for what seems like forever." - great line!! that really explains the purpose of this fight and why fans craves for it. They should make this one their final one and retire. Like a "mega-farewell-fight" and no excuses bout. That photo (to be taken), the two of them hugging each other (no matter who the winner is) should be a classic. THE TITLE - "Two legends, No losers". I mean, they should acknowledge they may still great fighters but can dismiss the fact their RESISTANCE to punches is fading away as a natural aging process cause I don't think the brain gets harder after 40's so they are risking too much. Besides, what else is there to be proven by them?? Like Schaeffer said, they are ring royalty and people will remember them forever. One for being a viruoso, the other for being a real executioner of dreams - asks Trinidad or Pavlik. NOTE: Suporting my argument, Jones risks too much against Danny Green (27-3, 24 KOs) in this fight. I don't think he should be facing that kind of knockout power against somebody you don't know if it is worth facing. At this point B-Hop and Jones should work on their own legacy and not paving the legacy of others. Trinidad and Pavlik were worthy opponents because they did help to cement that legacy, Green and Ornuelas are not worthy of a chance. My opinion.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 10:56:28 AM
MisterLee:  Hopkins can't beat dawson... too much speed and youth. He struggled with jermain taylor, and dawson is twice the boxer taylor will ever be. Yes hopkins beat winky and pavlik and trinidad, but agst someone with speed, counter punching, and youth, dawson? I don't think so but it would be interesting. Bhop concusses rjj back into retirement. There's no other way, bhop is on the top 3 or 4 p4p fighters list, RJJ hasn't been on that list in 4-5 years. This is just all hype, but it's exciting hype. Maybe it'll all follow suit: RJJ will look like his old self for about 3-4 rounds, like the calzaghe fight, then bhop's skill and guile will take over to an uninteresting decision. Or bhop could beat the stuffing out of this guy into to a clear UD or late round stoppage. Holler!
Monday Nov 30, 2009 11:41:04 AM
SALT lover@Dan:  Yeah,m it'll be insteresting fights. Roy Jones, maybe yeah, you're probably right. I agree with you that B-Hop's intelligence may be a huge factor in,beating Roy. Yeah, I agree with you, but I don't agreee about Chad Dawson. Chad Dawson's a smart, slick boxer with strength, and he's very hungry. I think Chad Dawson might send B-Hop to retirement, and I wouldn't be surprise if he's the first man ever to stop Hopkins, as crazy as this may sound. Good writings.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 12:43:35 PM
bill major:  dawson just dosent do it for me,its like he's not putting it all out there like he could.a squanderer like mayweather. for that reason i think hopkins could beat his ass.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 03:21:56 PM
Dan L:  To the Dawson lovers - I see your points. He's slick. He's a lefty. He's a stronger (albeit lower volume) Joey C. We all saw that Joe was able to get a (suspect) decision against Hop. I just think that Hop has learned so much since the Calzaghe "loss". He could get knocked into retirement (but I doubt it because Chad doesn't take chances) or lose a narrow decision if he was not smart. Dawson had his own home fans booing him the other week (I was there in person - so don't debate please) because he wouldn't step up and take chance, so who knows. BUT - We all know that Hop isn't going that route - he's a smart business man. Dawson may never get the chance to prove himself against Bernard. End of the day, Hop is a living legend, so why wouldn't Chad want a piece. Keep em hungry!
Monday Nov 30, 2009 04:40:11 PM
SALT lover@Dan L:  Those are very interesting points you bring about Dawson and B-Hop. OK, first off, about the Calzaghe loss, I think B-Hop didn't so anything wrong in that fight boxingly speaking, I think the main problem he had was conditioning. He just couldn't keep up with Calzaghe's pace, and that whole "low blow" acting he did in the latter rounds, were mere show to catch a breath. He never experienced the rain of punches from a fighter like Calzaghe. And about Dawson, I agree B-Hop doesn't probably need Dawson since he's already a Hall of Famer, but Dawson already eanred his dues, I mean, he beat twice the two men who reigned in the 175lbs, plus he beat a very good name in Tomasz Adamek, and he's a P4P fighter. He's a very good name to beat, he just has the Floyd-symdrome: a very skilled fighter, P4P, World Champion, and winning fights, but people don't appreaciate cuz he don't take punishment.
Monday Nov 30, 2009 06:19:07 PM
Vincent Ogawa:  B-Hop and Pernell Whitaker are my favorite fighters of my generation, however I'm a realist! I don't think B-Hop will fight Chad, not because he is scared but because it is a huge risk! Chad wants to make a name for himself and At 45 Hopkins will be in the fight of his life. And lets be honest for a second too. It's not like Chad would come in and mix it up with him. He would have to chase him down and pull out the bag of dirty tricks. It would be a good fight and a win, win for Hopkins. However if Dawson loses, he will be back at square one. And BTW, Dawson would never knocked out B-Hop. He couldn't put away Glen Johnson or Tarver. Either way if they do fight I'm going with B-Hop UD. I will never bet against B-Hop because even his losses have all been close. He is one of the few boxers that take a fighters soul! He is the Ray Lewis and Dick Butkus of boxing. Why don't you think Calzaghe wanted no part of a rematch?
Monday Nov 30, 2009 09:33:11 PM
Isaiah:  YEY!
Monday Nov 30, 2009 09:42:16 PM
brownsugar:  I'm still wondering what Hopkins ever did to get rated the #1 lightheavy in the world???... was that his prize for losing to Calzaghe??,.. the same Calzaghe who only fought in the division once... .. Or was it for picking apart Tarver,.. whom Dawson beat in as casual fashion as somebody taking a stroll thru the park... (twice)??...Hopkins has been durable and crafty through out the years,.. but he will never,... and I mean NEVER,.. challenge Dawson for the title,.. because he already knows that would not be in his best interests,.. he acted like he wanted to fight Adamek,.. (a fight that would pay far less than Dawson vs Bhop),.. but when push came to shove the GBP executive offered the cruiserweight champion chump change for compensation,.... Dawson has respectfully called out BHOP after ever fight and in-between fights,.. but you never hear Dawsons name come out of Bhops mouth,.. although HBO would pay both fighters handsomely,... the outcome of the fight between BHOP and Jones depends on how much Jones can build on the improvements he showed in his fight against Lacy,.. (and also the outcome of the DAnny Green fight),.. if Jones can capture some of his old magic,.. then he could make it a bad night for Bhop,... it's a longshot for Jones,.. but it's possible....
Monday Nov 30, 2009 09:57:23 PM
Fe'Roz :  Frankly, I wish these two would not fight each other. Roy was and remains my favorite fighter of his time... and I suffered with all RJJ fans when he got clocked the fist time by Tarver. I think I turned the TV off in shock.... not wanting to see what I couldn't believe had happened. When he came back and tentatively fought the rematch the Roy that I knew wasn't fighting. And after the Johnson KO, I felt the same as when joe Frazier was almost nearly killed by George Foreman; Afraid for Roy. The Calzaghe beating cuts and all were it for me. I want to remember the phenomenon that was Roy Jones Jr.... not this athlete still holding on to his glory days. As for B-Hop, what can you say. The man has boxed his way from Graterford to greater fortune. A true American ragtag to riches. And from Philly no less....the city where I was raised. Watching him....or anyone...get better with age is as inspiring as it is awesome. 45 Years Young. Now as I said, I dont want to see these two fight at this point....but if they do (a) I hope it's their last...and (b) B-Hop will win.
Tuesday Dec 1, 2009 01:08:28 AM
Fe'Roz :  Frankly, I wish these two would not fight each other. Roy was and remains my favorite fighter of his time... and I suffered with all RJJ fans when he got clocked the fist time by Tarver. I think I turned the TV off in shock.... not wanting to see what I couldn't believe had happened. When he came back and tentatively fought the rematch the Roy that I knew wasn't fighting. And after the Johnson KO, I felt the same as when joe Frazier was almost nearly killed by George Foreman; Afraid for Roy. The Calzaghe beating cuts and all were it for me. I want to remember the phenomenon that was Roy Jones Jr.... not this athlete still holding on to his glory days. As for B-Hop, what can you say. The man has boxed his way from Graterford to greater fortune. A true American ragtag to riches. And from Philly no less....the city where I was raised. Watching him....or anyone...get better with age is as inspiring as it is awesome. 45 Years Young. Now as I said, I dont want to see these two fight at this point....but if they do (a) I hope it's their last...and (b) B-Hop will win.
Tuesday Dec 1, 2009 01:08:29 AM
Fe'Roz @ brownsugar:  I see no reason at 45 for Bernard to fight Dawson. Dawson would love his name on his resume and why not. Who would'nt. But Bernard will fight for money and legacy if he fights Roy and then chooses to continue. I would have to think adding another trinket at a higher weight would be more appealing for him than fighting the obvious heir apparent and reigning champ, Chad Dawson.
Tuesday Dec 1, 2009 01:13:02 AM
brownsugar:  I'm with you on that
Tuesday Dec 1, 2009 04:47:30 PM
SALT lover:  I just found Roy got stopped in the first round by Green. OK, Dan, I told you, you were right about Jones. But I wanna see B-Hop against Chad Dawson. Now that Roy's been defeated, the only logical fight for B-Hop is Chad Dawson, and if they do fight, I'm picking Dawson to send B-Hop into retirement. Latezzzz
Wednesday Dec 2, 2009 08:45:02 AM

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