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Thursday Nov 19, 2009

Oscar De La Hoya is happy that his guy Haye exited Nuremberg with Valuev's strap. To keep it, he'll have to down the awkward John Ruiz, who has the very best traits of a cockroach. He cannot be banished! Haye thinks he will do the job.

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Haye Salivating At Thought Of Klitschko Money, First Must Face Ruiz

By Ron Borges


If John Ruiz finds a way to upset WBA heavyweight champion David Haye next spring in London it will not be the biggest upset in boxing history. The biggest upset in boxing history might be that such a victory would make him a most unlikely three-time heavyweight champion.

John Ruiz? Muhammad Ali? Who would have ever thought?

Asked to ponder that reality for a moment last weekend in Las Vegas, the newly crowned WBA champion seemed to see the absurdity in what that says about the heavyweight division these days but then shrugged his ample shoulders and said diplomatically, “He’s not brilliant at any one thing but he’s good at everything.

“He’s a lot better than people think. Because of his awkward style people look at him not as a threat but as an annoyance but he won the heavyweight championship twice so he must be doing something right.

“He has a good chin. He takes a good punch. He’s awkward in a way that you can’t get good shots off at him. I won’t look by Ruiz. I made that mistake early in my career (when he was stopped by aging Carl Thompson five years ago before later winning the cruiserweight title). The toughest fight of my life will be John Ruiz. If I don’t think that I’ll under-perform.’’

Many have argued Haye (23-1, 21 KO) already did that two weeks ago when he won the WBA version of the title in appallingly lackluster fashion from 7-foot Nikolai Valuev. Haye did his best (or worst) Ruiz imitation that night in Germany, hugging and holding Valuev much of the time and throwing so few punches the bout was compared unfavorably with the night five years ago when Chris Byrd and DaVarryl Williamson fought a heavyweight title fight that brought pacifism to boxing.

Haye’s athleticism was such that he negated what little ability Valuev possesses but he did it with more caution than a bank loan officer. His lack of interest in exchanging fire with Valuev was clear even though he did stun the stumbling Russian giant in the final round of what would become a majority decision for Haye.

He had promised much more after successfully avoiding fire in a different way earlier this year against both of the Klitschko brothers and his failure to deliver was not easily excused, even after he said he broke his right hand in the second round on the top of Valuev’s head.

Haye has always talked a great fight, which is how he got himself into position to fight the Klitschkos in the first place after moving up from the mostly ignored cruiserweight division, but he still has to prove he’s willingly to fight as loudly as he speaks against the sport’s hardest punching opponents, especially considering his recent heavyweight history.

Haye was scheduled to fight Wladimir Klitschko in June for the IBF title but pulled out claiming a back injury. Soon after it came to light that the British cable television company that was guaranteeing Haye’s purse, Setanta, had gone bankrupt. Haye insisted the two were not related. Certainly not.

Then he somehow landed a shot at Klitschko’s big brother, WBC champion Vitali, several months later only to pull out of that bout after it had been announced, claiming he’d never signed a contract and hence was going to accept a better deal to step in with Valuev. Perhaps so but the Klitschko’s believe he used them both to maneuver himself into an easier title shot and there seems to be some circumstantial evidence to support their opinion.

Whatever the truth of that, from a business standpoint both moves were sound if unappealing to fight fans. Haye was facing the possibility of being paid only a fraction of what he thought he was worth to face either Klitschko because it appeared he lacked any real power in the marketplace. Conversely, he agreed to at least one of those fights and then claimed a questionable injury.

Now that he holds the last remaining portion of the title not controlled by the Klitschkos, Haye believes his financial as well as fistic time has come. All he has to do is get by Ruiz, who has proven to the likes of Evander Holyfield, Hasim Rahman, Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, Andrew Golota and others that that is not as easy as it might seem. Haye concedes this but then quickly dismissed the idea of an upset.

“I’ll knock John Ruiz out,’’ he said between lengthy dissertations on why he fought so cautiously against Valuev and what he will do to the Klitschkos if and when he gets his hands on them.

The latter was really the point of Haye traveling to Las Vegas last weekend in the first place. He was there to be handed his WBA title belt by his new promoter, Oscar De La Hoya, and to meet and greet HBO executives, with whom he hopes to forge a multi-fight deal and earn millions of dollars in the near future.

That will not come from a Ruiz fight however because HBO’s suits and on-air talent have long disparaged the only Latino in history to win the heavyweight title. The fight may do big numbers in England but finding an American television outlet for it willing to spend real money will be difficult, although no longer impossible because of HBO’s cozy relationship with De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions.

But the larger issue for the talkative Haye remains the Klitschkos and the likelihood that if he dispatches Ruiz he will be able to broker a multi-million dollar unification fight with one of them. In an ideal world for Haye, he would win that fight and then make even more for the ultimate unification with the last Klitschko standing, adding the promotional twist of having beaten up one of the brothers on the road to the other.

None of this is lost on Haye, who is a clever fellow both in the ring and out. He knows how to promote himself and as a cruiserweight he knew how to fight well enough to unify the title in spectacular fashion before moving up to the heavyweight division.

Despite having had only one real heavyweight fight - a quick dispatchment of trial horse Monte Barrett - Haye has in a year landed deals to fight for all four versions of the title with all three of the champions, a remarkable feat he was quick to acknowledge last week.

“They say no one knows who I am so they get most of the money,’’ Haye said. “If nobody knows who I am how did I get offered title fights with all three champions in less than six months?’’

Good question for which the only answer is well, John Ruiz has won the heavyweight title twice and fought for it 11 times. To say there is a paucity of talent in the division is to overrate the talent and under rate the meaning of the word paucity, so these days in the division all things are possible.

Still, Haye knows where he stands. At the moment he is one fight away from not necessarily negotiating parity with the Klitschkos but to being on a far more level playing field than they hoped for when this all began a year ago because he now wears the one thing they most want – the last remaining semi-legitimate heavyweight title belt.

“The Klitschkos are my target,’’ he admitted. “That’s the biggest fights, the biggest paydays, the biggest everything. Those are fights a lot of people want to see not only in the UK (where Haye was born and bred) but over here (in the US), in Germany, all over the world.

“When they check their bank accounts after this guy Vitali is fighting (Kevin Johnson) next, they’ll realize how much they could have got with me.’’

Asked if he was confident a deal could be made with either Klitschko now that there is a good deal of bad blood between them after his disappearing act, Haye smiled the knowing smile of someone who understands what leverage means in the boxing business.

“If they’re willing to come to the table with some respect (it can),’’ Haye said. “Last time I came to the table with nothing. Now I’ve got something. I’ll get four or five times what I would have done with the Wladimir fight.

“If they’ll sit down and talk seriously we’ll see who brings what to the table and who gets what cut. They felt I didn’t bring anything to the table but Wladimir went and fought (Ruslan) Chagaev and UK and US TV pulled out. He fought Chagaev for peanuts.

“I don’t mind going to Germany to fight them. I won both my world titles abroad (France against Jean Marc Mormeck and Germany with Valuev). I don’t need home comforts to win a title. I won a decision in Germany, where nobody wins a decision.’’

To get to the Klitschkos however, he first must beat the 37-year-old Ruiz, who is 5-4-1 with a no contest (against James Toney after Toney tested positive for steroids after winning a decision from Ruiz) in heavyweight title fights and will be fighting for the WBA title for a remarkable fourth time.

Haye said all the things he should have said about his next opponent, who took step-aside money to allow Haye to fight Valuev yet there didn’t seem to be any real conviction in his cautionary tone. The reason he was in Las Vegas last weekend, he knew, was not to talk much about a mandatory defense against John Ruiz but rather to drum up interest in a showdown with the brothers Klitschko by next fall.

“They’re about the same,’’ Haye said when asked to evaluate the Klitschko’s abilities. “Both have their own assets. Wladimir is a lot faster, a lot looser. He’s a lot more gunshy, too.

“Vitali holds his ground more. He can take a better shot. He’s a lot older and not as mobile as his younger brother. I know I won’t be breaking my hand on their heads. I’ll be breaking their heads on my hands. That’s a difference.’’

It’s also another way to sell a fight he hasn’t gotten to yet. For it to happen, he better worry about John Ruiz’s head – and his hands – first.

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Matthew:  I don't buy anything Haye says in regard to the Klitschko brothers. He bailed on fights with both of them after he ran his mouth all over the place. I have no interest in ever watching a John Ruiz fight, but I think he'll give Haye some difficulty, at least initially. Until Haye actually shows up in the ring with one of the Klitschkos, nothing he says matters to me.
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 09:00:59 AM
Ant:  Matthew - You said it brother!!! Either Kiltschko smashed Haye. End of story. I can't wait until the fight is made.
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 10:18:57 AM
David:  yeh David Haye is just promoting himself i dont even believe he will fight the Klitschko he will dodge them and then he will retire and say i got a heavyweight title im the best ever to come up to heavyweight and win a title yay lol and my name is David 2 lol
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 11:21:00 AM
David:  i dont even believe david haye will fight the klitschko brothers to be honest
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 11:23:21 AM
Castro:  Wasn't too surprised when I heard he beat Valuev. Against Ruiz I think he'll have his hands full, but against the K brothers - this dude will be in the FIGHT of his LIFE! If he wins....I'll give the man the credit he deserves, but in reality....I don't see that happening. I'd like to see him fight Arreola first & if he can get through him (that's a BIG IF) then feed him to the wolves & let's see how much that mouth of his is worth!
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 01:00:45 PM
cezar:  Ruiz won with Golota. Ruiz was few times on the canvas during fight..... give me a break
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 01:31:42 PM
Fa:  that WBA belt actually belongs to wladimir klitschko valuev shouldve never had it .. it was ruslan chagaevs belt! but its ok haye can hold it for a while but its going to the klitschkos the soon they get in the ring! after valuex fight im 100% sure haye will lose to both ironfist and steelhammer!
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 01:37:27 PM
Freemore:  Haye to fight Arreola?! Give me a break. Thats the biggest step backwards Haye could take. Once Haye figures out the awkward style of Ruiz he will take him out. None of the heavyweights around at the moment have the speed or athletism to bother Haye. Everyone seems to think his size will be a disadvantage against the Klit brothers but thats not the case, his power would see him through. Especially against Wlad who wont last 3 rounds with Haye. Haye will get the respect he deserves in the future, no doubt. He would probably already have it if he were American!!
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 02:13:18 PM
Jason:  If he fought tentatively against Valuev (and to call it tentative is an understatement), he won't get within 10 feet of either Klitschko, who both have the ability to hit him, unlike Valuev, who can't connect with a heavy bag. But that said, I don't think he gets by Ruiz, who'll win ugly.
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 02:27:48 PM
ali:  Im hearing B-hop want to fights Haye if he gets past Jones that a fight I would love to see. All the smaller Heavys are really going to try to get a fight with Haye. Ruiz vs Haye sucks!!! Haye vs B-hop or Toney or Adamek even Chambers sounds a hellva lot better.
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 03:55:29 PM
mr Chicken:  Matthew you said it all. I agree with all of you. Haye might no show up for the KLITCHKO'S WHEN AND IF THE TIME COMES. I would rather see wladamir v value. he would ko him like he did T, THOMPSON.
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 09:46:55 PM
brownsugar :time to take out the garbage:  Vitali over Johnson is not as sure a thing that it's been hyped up to be... Bhop is posturing again,. let him fight Adamek,.. and give him a decent cut this time....... Haye will set Ruiz out to pasture,.. in an ugly fight,.....and that will be the saving grace of the lacklustre and tedious event,..it's dirty work and somebody has to take out the garbage,.. he rid the world of Valuev,.. now maybe Haye can make himself usefull again and rid the world of Ruiz,.. but BHoP dont really want none,....
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 10:32:27 PM
Isaiah@Freemore:  I'd have to strongly dissagree with your opinion. Haye barely got past Valuev, is calling John Ruiz the fight of his life, and you really think he'd just so easily beat Wladmer? Haye has already bailed against both Klitschko brothers for a reason. Wladmer alone has great power, speed and boxing ability. Look at his fights. Wladmer is a smart man and he would be the one getting the stoppage. That's crystal clear. If Vitali fought Haye, imagine all those previous attributes plus not being able to hurt him either. Vitali would destory Haye. Think with your head. The anwser is right in front of your face.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 12:28:30 AM
shane:  I agree, A Haye / klitschko fight will never happen. Haye is gonna fight Ruiz. If and thats a BIG if, he gets through John, then he will wait a year before he fights again, and it wont be a K Brother! He knows he has a big chance of losing that belt. Hes gonna hold onto it for dear life.....taking "Guaranteed Win" fights thereafter.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 08:23:47 AM
Freemore@Isaiah:  Wlad would be forced to engage with Haye very early on if they fought and we all know how gun shy he is. Wlads chin would get tested and it wouldnt pass the test! You make a good point about Vitali and his good chin, that i agree on. I still believe Haye would win a potential fight though, it may not be pretty but he is smart and fast enough to get in and out and score points. Vitali would respect his power once he felt it. Haye hits very, very hard.
Friday Nov 20, 2009 02:05:55 PM
Anonymous user:  Freemore, you must be a boxing virign!!!
Friday Dec 11, 2009 03:49:18 PM
gratide:  Haye will look like a child fighing either of the " brothers" . All he has is a punchers chance . He knows it and that's why he backed out the first time . Good luck , loudmouth you will need it !
Saturday Jan 30, 2010 09:18:32 AM

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