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Pacquiao's Victory Over Cotto Has No Asterisk
By Frank Lotierzo
What the boxing world saw this past Saturday night during the Pacquiao-Cotto bout was—an all-time great fighter (Pacquiao) take apart and separate himself from a terrific/upper-tier contemporary fighter (Cotto). Miguel Cotto's heart and will are on par with any fighter you'll ever see. But Manny Pacquiao's speed, power, skill and equal will were too much for him.
At the start of his WBO welterweight title bout with Manny Pacquiao this past weekend, Miguel Cotto came out measured and pushed the fight from behind his left jab. In the early going it looked like a good plan. Pacquiao was forced back physically and couldn't get into a rhythm. And with Cotto able to dictate with his jab, he was able to fight at a pedestrian pace while keeping his hands up without getting countered by Pacquiao's four and five punch combinations with the intent of taking his head off. The pedestrian pace was to Cotto's advantage, but Pacquiao wouldn't have any of that, at least not for long.
Another thing Cotto was able to accomplish and it was a turning point in the fight— he got close enough to whack Pacquiao's body and head with his vaunted left-hook. The turning point came when Pacquiao not only didn't wilt from it after Cotto connected, he acknowledged it and then erupted with his full repertoire of jabs, hooks and crosses that hurt Cotto physically, leading to the one-sided going over he absorbed until the fight was stopped 55 seconds into the twelfth and final round.
This fight was decided by Manny Pacquiao's two-handed power that comes from all angles, via five and six punch combinations that seem almost to be ceaseless. Once Pacquiao got through with some stinging lefts that Cotto didn't see but sure felt, Miguel didn't force the fight after that and fought as the counter-puncher with the hope of landing a lottery punch. Only Pacquiao didn't allow that and once he sensed he had Cotto's respect, he intensified the pressure and picked up his work rate.
Before the fight it was bantered about as to whether or not Cotto had recovered from the beating he took from Antonio Margarito a year and a half ago, along with how he might be bothered and affected by coming down to 145.
After watching the fight and seeing what took place during the bout, it's clear for all to see that Cotto wasn't damaged goods heading into the fight. And that he told the truth when he said he wasn't affected emotionally or physically from the thrashing he absorbed from Antonio Margarito. There's no way in the world he would've come out as confident as he did at the start of the fight against Pacquiao if that were the case and he was still haunted by the monster of Margarito.
Furthermore, after going down in the third and fourth rounds and being shook pretty good, he came out and won the fifth round, preventing Pacquiao from steamrolling him while he was still vulnerable. So forget the thought Pacquiao beat a damaged version of Cotto. Granted, it may not have been the best Cotto we've ever seen. At the same time it's hard to picture any other welterweight taking Miguel apart like Pacquiao did.
The other issue prior to the fight was the 145 catch-weight stipulation. And even that can't be pointed to as to the reason why Pacquiao had his way with Cotto and won at least eight of the eleven rounds they fought before stopping him in the last round. Sure, he may have been a little stronger had he carried a couple more pounds and maybe his left hook would've shook Pacquiao a little more. But enough to believe it would've altered the outcome of the fight? I can't go there. No, the fight was too one sided to believe that. The bottom line is Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and Miguel Cotto is a terrific one.
Pacquiao once again demonstrated that he has blinding hand and foot speed, explosive and shocking power, throws punches in multiples of five and six, and never tires. However, Pacquiao revealed something else and it makes him even more scary if you're a future opponent of his. And that is Manny has a cast-iron chin and isn't slowed when he's whacked to the body by a fighter who's known for being a terrific body puncher.
Miguel Cotto caught him with some massive left-hooks to the head and body during their fight. Pacquiao was perhaps rocked or briefly shook once or twice but recovered and fired back like Aaron Pryor did against Alexis Arguello in their first fight back in 1982.
The undeniable impression I was left with after watching Pacquiao in the ring with Cotto for twelve rounds is - he's physically tougher and takes a greater punch than I gave him credit for. Pacquiao also showed during the bout that he can handle adversity when he's confronted with it, something every great champion has had to prove at one time or another during their career.
Manny Pacquiao has answered all questions anyone could ever have about him as a fighter. His performance versus Miguel Cotto was almost virtuoso and solidified him as an all-time great pound for pound fighter.
Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com
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GOAT:
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Wow! I guess the writer is not an unbiased boxing writer. Fact of the matter is we seen Cotto get beat to a bloody pulp and quit before, not taking anyhting away from Pac because his performance was remarkable, but we seen Coot bruised and bloodied before.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 02:20:02 PM
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Frank Z@ GOAT:
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true we have seen him bloodied and beat up before, but that was against a guy who was much taller, lankier, heavier, and probably with illegal hands of stone. also, against margarito most of us probably go thte feeling of... if cotto can hang on he might still win. at no point did we think that in this fight. pacquiao had cotto completely shaken down with his feints and up and down punching. cotto did catch pacquiao solidly throughout the fight, even on the retreat, but at no point after round 1 did he outbox pacquiao, while he was outboxing margarito cleanly for the first 6 rounds. what we have not seen from cotto his him taken completely off rhythm by his opponent's feints and movement.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 02:50:36 PM
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deepwater:
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Manny is the man.He took cottos best and came back for more. Pac blew me away with this performance. mayweather has never blown me away since the corrales fight.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:06:10 PM
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John:
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Ya know? That's the problem with Manny, he makes it so easy to the point that people just take it for granted. Other than that, both he and Freddie reveals instantly the secret of how they demolished their opponents. Now people once they see the key, they lay the blame on the opponent and not on Manny's skill. Just like doing a math problem, where you forgot a decimal or debugging a program code that you forgot a space. Anyway, it's human nature... once you find the key, you tend to disregard other factors that led you there.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:09:27 PM
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kountedout:
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I guess the Margarito fight never happen nor have they ever heard of paul williams. williams would not only given him another beating the referee would not have stopped it williams would have knocked him out
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:19:47 PM
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Matthew:
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I like the Pryor-Arguello analogy. Pryor took Arguello's best right hands in that epic battle, and psychologically, that did a number on 'El Flaco Explosivo.' I believe the same thing happened on Saturday night. Cotto landed his fair share of hard punches, particularly in the first five rounds, and Pacquiao never flinched, at least not visibly. Pacquiao takes a better punch than I and a lot of other people gave him credit for. I don't question Cotto's courage, I question the intelligence of his corner in letting him continue beyond the 9th or 10th round.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:29:27 PM
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Clark Kent:
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Great analysis! My respect to Cotto went up exponentially as well for being such a great fighter. I hope he is well and that his beating will not cause permanent damage. Too bad his corner should have had the same courage to stop the fight earlier. It should have been a team decision, not just Cotto's, if they went there as a team as they claimed. But hands dow to Cotto's courage and determination. Pacquiao was just plain brilliant!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 03:55:39 PM
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john cotto:
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Cotto has great heart all the way pacman is great gotta give him credit all the way I was always a pac fan and still a cotto fan I witnesed a great throw back fight from both guys at least cotto didn't quit on his stool like delahoya did viva pac viva cotto
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:13:25 PM
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I'll slap ya mother:
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I agree with most of this article, however, to me it did look like he was still affected by his loss to Margocheato. That ghost came back and haunted him as soon as ge took a few good shots.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:18:49 PM
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RIVERSIDE:
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good writing f-lo, we need to give crdit to pacquiao, he beat a prime cotto, a strong top 5 welterweight of the world, i was amazed how pacquiao took cotto's best shots, i thought pacquiao was going to fold when cotto's hammered him in the body and head
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:25:33 PM
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Grayson:
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Everybody is against mayweather!! LMFAO... He's has NOT lose!! And now you saw manny won against cotto and say he's the BEST!! LOL!!!!!! Listen, too all yall haters, YOU just wanna see mayweather lose!! Manny only be latino fighters and that's not impressive!! Manny can't beat mosley.. That's who he NEEDS to fight, mayweather is WAYYYYYY too good for mayweather!! Statues counts!! Manny can be the best in a few races opinion but we know who's the greatest!! LMFAO!! Out yall minds!!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:27:29 PM
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Radam G -- malalaman paano sa manood kasalanan ni Mayweather:
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Nice piece, Superbad Fightwriter F- Lo. By a landslide -- though it is November and the year is not quite over -- you have been getting your scribing on -- spitting out some righteous, authentic, informative, masterpiece copy. Let me be the first reader to holla that you are the Fightscriber of da YEAR, shonuff! Ya Da Man! Wow! Join 2009 ROTY Fe'Roz and Rookie of The Year MisterLee, Comeback ROTY Donputo69, Prospect of The Year #1 PacMan, Humorist ROTY The Roast and Check Fact ROTY Matthew. Using that analogy about Pryor and Arguello in your copy was spot on, BABBEEE! Aaron Pryor is of Asian descent [Japanese on his mother side] and is in the top of P4P for the 1980s. Miguel Cotto is and was a long way from being shot. Nonetheless, there will be those who excuse that away to hate on Manny. But that's okay. The odd makers in all the gambling places on the globe are making Manny an early favor to whup Money May. Smart guys. And when Manny whup Money May, there still be excuses from Pac-haters. Jose Luis Castillo did a job on Money May in the controversial Mayweather-Castillo I. Mayweather has lost some serious steps and will not be able to get away with throwing a wild, leaping lead hook at PacMan. And Money May will not get away with his compulsive, boring, same-thing-over-and-over defense: Shoulder roll, two steps eastward, fold-at-waist head drop south, rise up with your back slightly to your opponent. "GrandMaster Topch Notch Trainer" Freddie "Good and Ready, No Joke Coach" Roach already has a plan in effect to exploit these tricky flaws of "Lil Floyd." Of course, we will cross that bridge when "Lil Floyd" comes out of his grandiosely illusion take a small cut, if not even and sign the contract. Holla!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:38:44 PM
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Jay:
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Ok I'm slowly getting back to reality and the shots of Tequila had finally subsided. What a great article, giving props to the Pacman. Bookmarked this page just in case there's a retard out there that will TRY to justify that Cotto was shot in order to discredit Pacquiao's credentials on his next bout against Money May. Thanks F-Lo!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:41:45 PM
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ultimoshogun:
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No excuses for Cotto...he was off to a good start until Pacman kicked into that extra gear that other fighters don't have. He was how pro athletes describe "in the zone" that night. Congrats to Fe'Roz on the award...well deserved.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:42:46 PM
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Radam G - huwag kayong mangmang:
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Ought! Ain't making up JACK about Money May. Go to Youtube and take a serious peep at umpteen of his bouts. Dude is compulsively flawed. And a fighter with fast feet and hands will tear him up and take him down. Holla!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 04:50:54 PM
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lillou:
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i been around boxing for awhile now and have seen boxers go up in weight, but what so odd to me is how has manny put so much weight on from 106-148 and you done see any fat on him what is he taking to build just muscles only ?
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 05:05:39 PM
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gman079:
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Can any of you reporters find out, how miguel cotto is doing?? Is he well- hows he feeling. Theres been alot of analysis of what manny did but no feedback from cotto. It would serve the fans to know how ever game he was in this match, that he is well and okay today.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 05:22:15 PM
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ali @ FeRoz:
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Congrats to wining the 2009 TSS reader of the year well deserved.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 05:41:58 PM
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mark:
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so fast fighter filipino, platinum pacman pacquiao, the one and only hero with seven proven belts, not in the history of boxing in all times, THE PLATINUM from the PHILIPPINES!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:04:33 PM
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Adoremus:
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I agree with the writer, and congratulations! You are one of the true boxing visionaries who can truly see and still believe what they see. Some however, pretend to see what they think but could not see, in order to portray something that they are not. Pacquiao is going to be a legend for future generations and just like the writer, I saw it coming from the first day, believed what I saw and enjoyed every second of it all! Go ahead pretenders, pretend to see what you cannot see and spoil your opportunity to watch and enjoy a legend fights in real time!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:13:28 PM
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Gil P. Acosta:
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From now on stop underestimating Pacquiao's punch resistance. The guy is like a stone.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:14:08 PM
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Usahfu:
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Pacman is the truth.....only other fighter with that balance and power with those punching angles is the prince, no where near the overall skill though. Manny is fearless, fearless. Straight up Bruce Lee strength and physique in similar frame. Money Mayweather best defensive fighter of this era no doubt but can't see him handling the whole Pacquiao package, punch for punch that is cuase Manny forces you to react offensively or bow out on your back. Or at the ref's mercy. I don't see Floyd being able to muster on offensive to match, he never does. Doesn't have to right.......wronge... Manny to much. And dig, you know he will turn it up another notch to show out and destroy Money.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:23:47 PM
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Kixterfafa:
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I just wanna point out to you People, or at least i've noticed it, That the defeat Cotto took from Pacquiao seems to be a good Defeat, because he knew, He wasnt defeated by a cheater oversized Fighter, but he was defeated by a Great Fighter. He said it himself, "I fought everyone, and he's one of the best fighter i've faced", and i think, thats a good compliment from a battered fighter. He's just a class act, gentleman, courageous, sport Fighter. I hope there will be more Cotto in this sport of Boxing. God Bless you my friend, and Pinoy respect you!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:24:14 PM
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ton-y:
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The amazing thing I saw was how Pacquiao took everythin in stride, as if he was going shopping, smiling and singing along the way, not showing any intimidation from Cotto's vaunted power. Walking down the ring from the dressing room, he was smiling, laughing, waving and talking to his entourage not knowing that his ear is about be smashed by Cotto. I didn't know what to make of it whether he was overconfident or hiding his fear but what a way to go to a big fight. All these times Pacquiao was also focued on the lyrics of his 8 songs scheduled to be showcased right after the fight at Mandalay, with nightly regearsals even days before the big fight. Whew!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:25:46 PM
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STELLAR27:
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why is there such thing as asterisk in pacquiao's victory, pacquiao came from lower weight division jumping from a higher in a span of 6 months, a natural midget guy last saturday shows us that he has the package of fighter that we can imagine and the ideal fo a sport of boxing, yes the so called expert and bookish on sweet science admire the scientific approach of boxing but we fight fans doesnt care about that, we care for unbelievable and violent approach of boxing, can the expert categorize that style of pacquiao? throwing a power punch from different angle even his foot are not squred off? no because it's not on the sweet science text book.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:29:24 PM
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Cyberkiosk:
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Pacquiao also showed during the bout that he can handle adversity when he's confronted with it, something EVERY GREAT CHAMPION has had to prove at one time or another during their career.
Let me generalize it a little further, ITS, NOT JUST A CHAMPION OF A PARTICULAR SPORT, BUT ALSO ORDINARY PEOPLE LIKE US.
That's what makes Manny so special, you can make him as your role model.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:35:48 PM
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steve:
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PACQUIAO AND COTTO ARE GREAT FIGHTERS KUDOS TO BOTH GUYS ! THEY KEPT BOXING ALIVE !
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 06:54:14 PM
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Atong:
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Paging Mr Roger Mayweather ! ! Are you still in shocked mood ? ! Wr na u man, here na me !
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:11:40 PM
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Gary:
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The thing about Manny Pacquiao's greatness is you can't figure him out. For the experts, all they have is to base their opinions of Manny's previous fights. They have no way of knowing what Manny can do in the next fight. Manny Pacquiao is an enigma in every fight.That is why is so great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:14:56 PM
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before the fight not a few people were questioning his defense, strength, chin and stamina. Pac showed doubters defense in the early rounds, rounds 3 and 4 were a show of strength, 5,6 and 7 he took cotto's shots to the head and body, 8 to 11 he was still fresh and still capable of 10 more, round 12 is the punctuation mark. C'mon guys, give credit where credit is due. we are seeing an all time great here!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:21:33 PM
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jorrel:
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i also realized after the fight and totally agree to this lines! -
"Pacquiao revealed something else and it makes him even more scary if you're a future opponent of his. And that is Manny has a cast-iron chin and isn't slowed when he's whacked to the body by a fighter who's known for being a terrific body puncher."
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:24:54 PM
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COtto Pacqiuao:
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you guys should remember that on the fight night pacman weighed 149 lbs compare to cotto more than 150 lbs..so cotto's power has remained to welterweight.just stop excuses about the weight issues.this fight was the most conditioned cotto becoz his camp really prepare for this fight months earlier than pacman.cotto;s camp admitted that they really prepare for this fight..of all cottos' fights this was the most prepared cotto in terms of conditioning..mentally and physically.. the bout just plastened that pacman is god-like fighter, an underdog to this fight came out like a godlike monster..Pacman the greatest fighter of all time no doubt..no one can erase it even millions years go by..he's a divine -like being..though pacman had a 3 lost, 2 from body KO punch,when he was still at his teen &from morales by unanimous..having losses are not excuses or hindrance for greatness..becoz you can only be call great when you rise from fal.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:34:09 PM
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alex:
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Excellent analysis of the fight. Very well said, more power.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:51:52 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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When the Question was asked, Manny answered the Call. We all watched and waited to see...and most of us wondered....if a great little man could handle the powerful blows of a full-fledged welter. And now we know. Cotto may be not be some things but one thing is undeniable, he is arguably the best body puncher in his division. He has broken down many and derailed numerous others. But not Manny. The man can handle being whacked. In fact, like Pryor, he frighteningly gets not only even...he gets better. And more dangerous. No further proof be necessary. Miguel's swollen face told us everything. Now, I haven't genuinely considered Manny's next step.... but whatever it is and/or whoever it may be....better watch out. He better be ready to war. Because Manny will.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:55:19 PM
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marc:
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I commend cotto for being a fair fighter with manny unlike to what he did to his past fights. I already knew that cotto will be defeated by manny when I saw him live fighting torres. And I also knew that mayweather can be defeated by manny when I saw live floyd fighting phillip ndou. Take note: "If manny hits, he wins".
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 07:55:46 PM
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Saul @ Fe'Roz:
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Fe'Roz, Congrats brother.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 08:02:37 PM
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sil:
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This is the kind of article that people would love to read, very professional unlike other writers who obviously criticized, or let's say there articles are obvious as like a hate message to Pacquiao..I'll read articles from you sir from now on...
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 08:04:50 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Ali, Saul and the rest of my brothers. Thank you. The privilege of posting with you all is mine.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 08:21:29 PM
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Mike:
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A friend who is a die hard Mayweather fan is very convinced Mayweather will have no chance against Pacman, after seeing the fight last Saturday night.
I'm a Pacman fan but IMHO, it's hard to know who is better until the fight happens.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 08:49:55 PM
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roadwarrior:
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there is really truth to the adage that the punch that kills you is the one that you did not see coming.
from diaz to delahoya to hatton and to cotto, they all share the same observation that they never knew where the next punch would be coming from and that it seemed that they were fighting multiple enemies.
cotto was a classy guy, a good boxer. it was just his luck that he fought a truly great fighter.
if cotto proclaims that manny is the greatest fighter that he ever fought and offered no excuses for his loss, then neither should we?
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 08:50:40 PM
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rasec:
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i think one thing that was proven also was that pac's "asterisks" in the hatton and dlh fights should now be retracted. this win proved that manny won over hatton not because ricky was overrated, over-trained or problematic at camp but only because manny was just too good for him. same with dlh. it's true that he wasnt in his prime but i think the bout with cotto showed that he was dominated not because of his weight loss but because manny was just really better that night. i think the dlh that fought pac was the same that pbf fought. both oscars were past their prime but no astersks should be attached on both fights.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 08:57:40 PM
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tarugo:
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Nate Campbell says that the 2 pounds cotto shed made a big difference to the outcome of the fight. What can you say about that?
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:03:19 PM
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MisteRLee:
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Fe'roz boma ye!!!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:07:13 PM
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MisterLee standing up for Pacquiao's physical resilience...:
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Yeah... as the 24/7 episode says once... i think it was for the odlhoya fight, Pacquiao's uses the "stick"... the solid piece of wood.. appears to be one inch in diameter to bang to his arms, shoulders, and body to slowly toughen the body and bones and tendons while not injuring him. Freddie mentioned this kind of training for Amir Khan when he first took him over.. he said similarly used in some martial arts to improve the body's hardness and resistance to pain. Manny also says it's "mental conditioning"... whether it's keeping cool when you're hit, pretending you're not hurt when you're hurt (keep composure), or mentally beating your opponent (notice big punchers like JuanMa, Cotto, and Ortiz COMPLETELY lose confidence when their Sunday punch have no telling effects... when natural punchers gifted by nature hit a wall, usually a strong pressure fighter with a good chin... ie- mtagwa, margarito, and maidana.... they lose complete confidence like a bully loses their stride when someone actually stands up to them). Sure cotto beat up ricardo torres, but ricardo torres was not a great fighter, just a colombian with dynamite in his right hand, similar to maidana. Manny Pacquiao boma ye!!! And need i say i'm still not considering myself a "pacquiao fan", but a boxing fan who likes pacquiao. Still got: darchinyan, donaire ralph marquez, katsidis, bradley, mosley, clottey, angulo, winky, bhop, dawson, and ward as my favorite fighters, oh yeah, and glen johnson, and collazo. That's it. Either way, great watching boxing, great discussing. Holler! F-lo, you are my favorite writer b/c you shiz is so solid and unique. You're an intelligent man! Your keyboard tapping comes in flurries... like pcaquiao's punches... and it comes in strange angles... and the "hating" whiplash that was brought about you has changed... pple don't like change.. whether it be obama... socrates... but change is good. Ron borges is still a solid fixture, he's like a mosley, but ur pacquiao! holler!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:17:48 PM
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I like Pacman but I picked Cotto to knock him out in the first six (6) rounds simply because I've seen Cotto's fights as well as Pacquiao...in fact, ... all of Manny Paqcquiao's fights, I have seen!!!...
But Pacquiao proved me wrong,...I think he (Pacquiao) is the best and rightfully deserve to be in the TOP TEN (10) greatest boxers of all time....Certainly, his rise from 106 Lbs to fighting in WW with 7 titles in 7 different weights is UNBELIEVABLE,...the reason I'm saying this is because I have seen Pacquiao's three (3) losses, and those 3 fight losses in the past contributed to his becoming the no. 1 P4P boxer of today...
I don't buy stories that a good fighter is damaged after a (devastating) loss...the truth of the matter is, a good fighter has a tendency to become great because of experiencing defeats...and I have those great boxers in mind like Ali, Fraizer, Leonard, Duran, Hearns..etc...etc...
I think Cotto is a good fighter and he will rise again,...its just that he met Pacquiao who at the time of their fight had already experienced what a great fighter must go through...
At this point of time,...nobody can beat Manny and because of his performance last Saturday he got my respect and probably millions more boxing fans and sport writers all over the globe....
Congratulations the PACMAN and the entire Pacman Team!...
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:27:07 PM
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Fe'Roz @ Mister Lee:
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While the Pacsage basks in his well-earned glory, the stage moves further West,. To Oakland Californ-i-a. And it's all yours. The date certain has arrived. So do tell. Is it too soon....or is it Andre Ward's time to shine?
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:27:34 PM
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dominicbuilder:
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I like Pacman but I picked Cotto to knock him out in the first six (6) rounds simply because I've seen Cotto's fights as well as Pacquiao...in fact, ... all of Manny Paqcquiao's fights, I have seen!!!...
But Pacquiao proved me wrong,...I think he (Pacquiao) is the best and rightfully deserve to be in the TOP TEN (10) greatest boxers of all time....Certainly, his rise from 106 Lbs to fighting in WW with 7 titles in 7 different weights is UNBELIEVABLE,...the reason I'm saying this is because I have seen Pacquiao's three (3) losses, and those 3 fight losses in the past contributed to his becoming the no. 1 P4P boxer of today...
I don't buy stories that a good fighter is damaged after a (devastating) loss...the truth of the matter is, a good fighter has a tendency to become great because of experiencing defeats...and I have those great boxers in mind like Ali, Fraizer, Leonard, Duran, Hearns..etc...etc...
I think Cotto is a good fighter and he will rise again,...its just that he met Pacquiao who at the time of their fight had already experienced what a great fighter must go through...
At this point of time,...nobody can beat Manny and because of his performance last Saturday he got my respect and probably millions more boxing fans and sport writers all over the globe....
Congratulations the PACMAN and the entire Pacman Team!...
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:32:25 PM
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MisterLee:
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Fe'roz... i think ward's been ready since miranda, or even a few fighters ago. I believe ward's been kept in secret vs. he's been babied and coddled. I feel he will change this perception. i believe he has what it takes to be boxing's next super star, i believe his critics are numerous b/c he is a gold medalist, not b/c he's a flawed fighter. Miranda has been downed 7-8 times early in his career, dawsons' been down, manny's been down early on, so why the focus on darnell boone, who ward did end up beating... do pple ACTUALLY think if they fought again that boone would give him some kind of hard time? ward is the best to me (obviously it woudl take while before he's dominant the way the current p4p'ers are), but i think he has the talent and work ethic to sky rocket his career in the next 3 years. I believe by 2011 he'll be on the top 5 p4p list, and by 2012 or 2013 ward will be reigning p4p king thru 2015 or 2016. I think he's a complete fighter, i believe he's humble, i believe he's more athletic than most boxers, i believe he trains harder and smarter than most boxers, i believe he has a high fighting IQ, i believe he's more rugged and tough than pple give him credit for, and i believe his angles, his technique, his changing styles, his complete arsenal of offensive and defensive weapons, and his overalll attitude will make him the best in a non-controversial way. But i always stick with my boxers win or lose, but i got a pot of crow waiting for the ward kessler fight. ward's gonna walk down kessler, beat allan green in a hard fought fight, and then outbox dirrell. IMO. We'll see what happens, i'll looking forward to serving crow two weeks in a row! after eating some in the johnson dawson fight, i'm read to serve. Holler!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:39:00 PM
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Jay Ari Yin:
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Regarding the 145 lbs. catch-weight, in the old days, the weigh-in was done on the day of the fight. So if this is the regulation today then Pacquiao and Cotto were just right at welterweight even by old days standard. Pacquiao entered the ring at 148 lbs.. It was not devulged what Cotto's weight when he entered the ring but I think he could have made 147 lbs. if the weigh-in is in the morning of fight day. So, the catchweight of 145 lbs. on a day before weigh-in does not take any luster for this welterweight bout.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 09:44:39 PM
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yeoman:
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mayweather is next! ill give mayweather atleast 2 rounds with pacman then he's going down and hard
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:09:21 PM
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Guile:
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I didn't predict PACQUIAO's fights by winning or loosing to COTTO. I simply had FAITH that PACQUIAO will win! PACQUIAO's FAITH to GOD, leaving his life to HIM, means only one thing! Never underestimate the POWER of PRAYER and FAITH! The whole Philippines prayed for PACQUIAO! I wonder who's gonna pray for GAYWEATHER?
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:28:59 PM
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Wak:
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After humpin cotto to the hospital, we walked off singing.. This is the big Cotto we're talking about. Geee I still just can't belive it!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:29:07 PM
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bryan:
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HAIL to the Lord of the Ring- PACMAN is the MAN!!!BOXING will be forever if we support and admire the likes of COTTO and Paquiao...Floyd is very far from the two and we are not blind anymore, floyd wake up and fight we don't need your to much trash-talking-JUST DO IT like the HERO from the PHILIPPINES...Let's support COTTO and Pacman for their next fights....
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:31:22 PM
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bryan:
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MANNY IS THE LORD OF THE RING!!!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:33:03 PM
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DaveB:
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Congrats to Fe'Roz from me as well. Mr. Lee, I'll take number 18 with pride because there are about a thousand good dudes in here.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:41:22 PM
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MisterLee @ Dave B:
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You're a rock!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:42:50 PM
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EXAMINERAUTHOR:
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NATIONAL ARTIST FOR ATHLETICS
“According to Press Secretary Cerge Remonde, the Palace has no plans of bestowing another award or special title on the new WBO welterweight champion like it did when Pacquiao beat Briton Ricky Hatton last May.” – NEWS.
Madam President: There is one more title that you can give Manny Pacquiao that is more fitting to his status now: NATIONAL ARTIST FOR ATHLETICS. There have been commentaries in your camp a while ago that granting such title to anyone is a presidential prerogative. Remember the case of CARLO J. CAPARAS. If that is true. For all his grand declarations that, in every victory in the ring, among other things, he is fighting for the honor of his country, a thing which really endears him to all Filipinos, making Pacquiao a NATIONAL ARTIST IN ATHLETICS is very much due. The world now calls Pacquiao the first boxer in history, and the only one, to capture seven (7) boxing titles in seven different weight divisions. HOW ABOUT THAT????
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 10:51:55 PM
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the Roast:
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Congrats to Fe'Roz on the much deserved ROTY award. A very well spoken fight fan. I love it when he writes about Joe Frazier. Said some stuff like, "moves like boiling water" and "rolls his shoulders as if trying to balance bowling balls" you are the Real Deal my friend. About Pacquiao and Mayweather, the difference to me is simple. Floyd is a boxer and Manny is a fighter. Just look at the last fights of each man. Floyd was content to let an overmatched JMM go the distance. He should have knocked him out in six or less. After the midway point, Floyd was content to throw one shot here, two shots there, where as Manny was relentless in his desire to finish Cotto. I don't think Manny would have been happy if the fight went to the cards. If they fight, Pacman will introduce Mayweather to a new world of pain.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:05:43 PM
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noypinga:
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PACMAN is the man! even @ 150 i think Manny is going top kick first tier fighters! But to be entertaining, welter would be the limit! Congratulations to team PACMAN!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:18:13 PM
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D:
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Pacquiao's victory over Cotto had an exclamation point!
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:20:14 PM
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Isaiah:
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Asterisk? An asterisk? No there shouldn't be an asterisk! Okay, I'm done saying that word, ha! But seriously, what's going on here? There was nothing wrong with Miguel Cotto. He was in prime condition and simply lost to the better man. The only one that should have a mark by him is Mayweather, especially with his "WIN" over Marquez.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:44:40 PM
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#1 PacFan P4P Greatest Of All Time!:
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Wow! Is that GOAT saying that Margarito damaged Cotto who said right before the fight that Cotto would beat Pacquiao by BRUTAL KO IN 7? Now how can you make that kind of prediction so bold and think Cotto was shot? Too many haters on here predicting with their emotions and not with their brains. I think if Margarito would've never got caught with plasters in his gloves then you have a case of Cotto being mentally damaged. Margarito was caught and that was all that Cotto needed to know regarding their last fight that ended Cotto all busted up. It put a sense of confidence in his mind that he was cheated. Come on now! that was a no-brainer.
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:52:26 PM
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Misterlee:
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Forgot to mention Bobby C in my p4p list. where's that article? haha.. i was gonna quote GOAT , but didn't want to embarass his prediction under woods article: "freddie will have to practice throwing the towel in at round 9" or something... " crow is not for the weak...
Tuesday Nov 17, 2009 11:54:59 PM
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Donnie:
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"are u not entertained!?!" by pacman
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:01:59 AM
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#1 PacFan "Pac the PPV King":
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There was a lot of happy buyers this past Saturday night. About 2 million buyers and counting to be exact. Both Pacquiao and Cotto deservingly earned about 30+ million dollars combined. Manny earning more than 20 million and Cotto about 10 million. They deserved every penny for the type of performance both displayed. Now that the numbers are in Manny has control of the negotiations, do you agree?
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:02:35 AM
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andrei:
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this article is right on the money about COTTO not a damaged good coming into the fight. U could see cotto's discipline and commitment in the training camp. he said a million times that he has already recovered from the loss to margarito as he showed it by dismantling JENNINGS and won a decision against the BIG and ALWAYS TOUGH CLOTTEY with a big gashed over his eye. so coming into to the fight COTTO had the perfect mental and physical condition. he even showed it during the weigh in as he looked really ripped and taunt pacquaio's camp by showing off how ripped his body was. has anyone seen cotto's face during and before the weigh in? it looks like he wants to cut pac's head off and eat it.. he was that determined. COTTO looked really fast and good(like the old cotto that we're used to seeing), UNTIL he felt PAC"S POWER, relentless SPEED coming from all angles, and the last thing was that PAC took cotto's will to win by taking all his power punches. even if cotto comes in at 146, that wouldn't make any difference coz the fight was really lopsided.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:07:44 AM
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slickrick:
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I read on boxingscene forum that cotto had to make 145 and could only gain 5 pounds after the weigh in meaning he couldnt be 150 the night of the fight. This is why his Weight the night of the fight was never mentioned. ..
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:08:24 AM
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Bruno:
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WHEW! WHAT CAN I SAY!!!! AFTER ALL THAT FIREPOWER!
CONGRATULATIONS MANNY "PACMAN" PACQUIAO....! GOD BLESS AND HAVE A GOOD VACATION.... ENJOY WITH YOUR FAMILY.... MABUHAY KA!
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:25:08 AM
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john:
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nicely written & unbiased view has been expressed by the author. at the of the day, give credit where credit is due!!!!!
congratulation Mr. Pacquiao!
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:58:37 AM
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boxboxbox:
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im a fan of both cotto and pacquiao. they both did a great job and both are really tough espeacially pacquiao being able to take one of the hardest puncher in welterweights considering(pac) being a natural featherweight and outboxed and almost killed cotto? damn!. freak o nature. No wonder mayweather is chickenin' out.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 01:07:34 AM
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Pilipinoyako:
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You're absolutely right Frank! Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and Miguel Cotto is a terrific one. It was just that Cotto faced a great fighter in Pacquiao. Nothing to be ashamed for. What a terrific fight indeed.
To Miguel Cotto: Feel free to visit the Philippines soon and together with the PacMan, we'll be glad to show you what Filipino hospitality really means. You will be an instant celebrity here and will be treated as our own. Continue fighting the best out there!
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 02:13:56 AM
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Steve:
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Look, let me say this; I think Pacman is great and he certainly is an excellent fighter. I'm a big fan of his, but there needs to be some perspective on his recent accomplishments in the welterweight divisions. Right now the hype on him being in the same league as some all time greats is a little (not a lot) premature. His fights and the hype around those fights at the weights below welterweight are reasonable. But up around welterweight there are a few points to consider that are not always present when comparing him to other historical fighters that moved up and won. The most striking being the weight the other guy has been forced or agreed to make for the fight. With Oscar, he made a weight to fight Manny that he hadn’t made in 10 years, and Oscar was already noticeably slowing down, (see the Forbes fight) to be expected to keep up with a buzz-saw-speedster like Manny. Cotto was forced to starve down too, and if that had no effect then why did the master trainer Roach specify it? (For the record I like both fighters Cotto and Pacman, and was glad Pacman won). Hatton was a fair KO, but Hatton was coming off a KO loss as well. It's debatable that Cotto was still (slightly) damaged goods to after Margarito (because it is always talked about with other fighters that suffer from KO losses and fight on) & also Clottey as he took a bit of a beating there for a few rounds. Pacquaio is great, but before we take the welterweight results of his recent fights and place them near the accomplishments of Armstrong, Ross, Robinson, Pep and so forth, lets see just Pacquiao fight a fast guy at welterweight that isn't starved down before the fight. Mayweather is that guy. Big respect to both Cotto & Pacman for last weekend's fight
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 02:23:53 AM
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Pilipinoyako:
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You're absolutely right Frank! Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and Miguel Cotto is a terrific one. It was just that Cotto fought a great fighter in Pacquiao. Nothing to be ashamed for. A terrific fight nonetheless.
To Miguel Cotto: Feel free to visit the Philippines soon and together with d PacMan, we'll show you what the Filipino hospitality really means. You'll be an instant celebrity here and we'll treat you as our own. Keep on fighting the best out there!
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 02:29:38 AM
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AC-DUBAI:
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Nice article. Hope this will be an eye opener to some of sports writer who doesn't want to give credit to Pacman.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 08:06:05 AM
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bill major:
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congratulations fe'roz, i always enjoy what you have to say.keep it up.
what you wrote i couldnt have said better . viva pacquiao
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 08:21:15 AM
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bill major:
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excellent write frank,goat,pac made cotto look like he did without loaded gloves as was the case with margerito. throws 4,5,6 punches at a wack and has a great boxing mind. he went in there and felt what cotto had then went to work. very focused fighter.dosent rattle or lose hope like cotto seemed to.the kid must really hit hard cuz cotto instantly changed course after getting tagged.he was magnificent!
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 08:33:51 AM
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RED:
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The best man won. Period. Even if Miguel had not fought Margarito Manny would have disposed of him. Some people are being brutal on Miguel on the sole count of this loss. The reality is that when one fights a truly superior fighter, what would seem to be great skills against 90% of the opponents out there suddenly become nonexistent. Ask Meldrick (TNT) Taylor about a man named Julio Cesar Chavez.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 09:20:52 AM
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ultimoshogun:
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Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather are scheduled to appear on George Lopez's new late show on TBS this week. DLH tonight and Mayweather will be on tomorrow. I haven;t watched the show but I'll be tunining in for the Mayweather segment to see if George brings up the Pacquiao fight.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 11:08:44 AM
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Eastar:
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This fight has an asterisk because Coocho had to fight at 145lbs. Let me see Pacgirl fight a true welterweight at the limit of 147, then I would be impressed. But to say Fanny's perfomance has no asterisk and overlook the fact that guys have to drain themselves to make weight just one day before going into combat with him is ignorant.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 11:32:38 AM
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Aaron:
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Let's give it up for Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo, two world class boxers who KNOCKED OUT a prime time Manny Pacquiao. Why these guys aren't taking on Mayweather, Mosley etc. and cleaning out the divisions I can't guess.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 12:00:17 PM
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swift:
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Aaron - the guys you mentioned beat a 19 & 16 when he lost to those guys. He is a 30 year old man, there was nothing prime time about him back then.
Eastar - Cotto was 146 for the Clottey fight, give the guy credit! I don't hear anyone calling out Paul Williams and he said he would drop 15lbs and fight at 145. 01100
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 01:20:35 PM
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Radam G:
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Tell Aaron that Mayweather and Mosley got beat badly too as a teenager. And 95 percent of all world title belt holders were knocked out in the amateurs. Hmm! Some people just don't have much to do, but search for excuse and hate. Holla!
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 03:28:44 PM
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Fe'Roz :
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Let's put an asterisk next to Eastar and Aaron's comments. We can use it to designate fools and haters.
Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 11:15:35 PM
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donnie:
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theres a lot of haters here!is it too much to ACCEPT that this little GUY beat bigger GUYS?and this little GUY brings BOXING to the finest not running but FIGHTING?!
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 01:10:53 AM
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donnie:
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COTTO WAS A CHAMP! AND CHAMP DOESNT MAKE EXCUSES!
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 01:12:35 AM
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donnie:
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COTTO wont say that "i was still haunted by MARGO"
"i lose weight" HE CANT SAY THOSE THINGS!! if u are the CHAMP u will do ur best to look like a champ!
Thursday Nov 19, 2009 01:20:02 AM
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tony:
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I KNEWit that Manny was going to win when he was interviewed by Philippine press one week before the fight. He expressed great excitement and can't wait for the fight. He showed great enthusiasm and looking forward for Saturday night and proclaimed he was 100% and ready!. He was just full of confidence and excitement. In contrast, Cotto looked like in deep meditation, serious, and seemingly worried. He was probably wondering why he was a 3-1 underdog. That puts a lot of stress in anyone's mind, thinking what do many people see that I don't, kept him wondering and eventually discovered that his hard punches were having no effect on Pacman and was even being dared to wail away. It signalled the time for retreat and eventual defeat.
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Angie And Goody...23 Years Later
Twenty three years later after they seconded Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard in Las Vegas, Goody Petronelli and Angelo Dundee crossed paths again. This time, it was at Foxwoods. Photo/friend of TSS "The Iceman" John Scully reports there were only pleasantries exchanged. Goody didn't debate the split decision victory enjoyed by Leonard, which to this day Hagler disputes.
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